America Hasn’t Shifted Left. It’s Just Become More Adolescent

immature“I think that you should pay for your own mortgage, birth control, and college loans. I don’t think that because I’m Conservative, I think that because I’m an adult.”

I saw that message posted somewhere on the Internet a couple of weeks ago. The phrasing really stuck with me because I believe it correctly captured what has become the true ideological divide in this country. That divide, contrary to popular belief, is not between conservatism and liberalism.

Many people would probably disagree with me. They would point to the hyper-partisan talking heads in the media as being representative of profound clash of ideologies in our country. Many liberals would probably cite the re-election of President Obama, and public sourness on the Republican party, as evidence that liberalism is actually winning that battle.

I just don’t see it that way.

While I think it’s safe to say that Americans are becoming more socially liberal, that seems to be the extent of the electorate’s conversion. For many years, just about any time a national polling company has asked participants to self-identify with an ideology, twice as many people have considered themselves to be conservative than have liberal. That hasn’t changed. This holds true not only in the broad sense, but also when it comes to important topics like the economy and national security.

One would think that such statistics would give the Republican party hope that a political return to power in Washington is realistic. What I’m not so sure the party has grasped, however, is that liberalism isn’t really the hurdle that is standing in their way.

Adolescence is.

We’re at a point in our history when too many people have become dangerously comfortable clinging to their inner-adolescence. Like children,  many adults in our society are content with trusting other people (in this case, government) to be responsible for taking care of them. I’m not simply talking about government dependence, though that’s indeed an enormous problem. I’m also talking about people who are just too self-involved and irresponsible to care about what’s going on around them and the important issues that very much affect their lives.

We’re provided with examples of such people from time to time when we see a late-night comedian, or occasionally a Fox News personality, run one of those man on the street segments where they ask random people about current events. We may cringe and even chuckle at how little they know, but for me, the display is more frightening than anything. It’s frightening because these people actually vote in elections. They make up an increasing portion of the electorate and they’re rarely guided by political ideology.

Where their obliviousness comes from isn’t all that hard to understand.

Many unengaged people tend to assume that by living in a country as great and affluent as America, the big picture stuff is always going to be just fine, regardless of what the decision-makers in Washington are doing. So when they decide on who they want to lead our country, they’re not all that concerned with records of achievement and policies. That’s boring stuff – too in the weeds. These people want to be dazzled. They want to be courted with charisma and celebrity, just as a child would choose to pop in a DVD rather than sit through a severe weather alert.

I understand this mindset because I shared it up until about 13 years ago. Back then, I didn’t think it mattered who led our country because by the time I was old enough to even broadly grasp American politics, Ronald Reagan was already our president. He paved the way for relative global peace and a strong U.S. economy that I just figured would always be there. I took our prosperity and security for granted. I naively believed that no one was capable of screwing up that harmony and bringing our nation to its knees.

Obviously, I was wrong.

We now find ourselves living in a post 9/11 world where Al Qaeda is rising from the embers. We went through the Great Recession and are now in the fifth year of the slowest economic recovery in American history – essentially a jobless one. Part-time positions are becoming more common while full-time positions are going away. Leaders in Washington have driven our national debt up to $17 trillion, and it’s a continually worsening burden that our children will be carrying around with them for the rest of their lives. Our social safety nets are drying up, as is our relevance to the rest of the world.

Times have clearly changed. That’s why I find it absolutely stunning that there are so many Americans who still view our nation’s greatest challenges with the aloofness and impulsiveness of a child. It’s mind-boggling, really.

You’ve got to hand it to the Democrats. They understand all of this. They’ve kept their edge on the national scene in recent years, not by selling the electorate on liberal sensibilities and policies, but by doing an excellent job of tapping into people’s inner-adolescence. They’ve catered to it.

The party understands that they can own the narrative on concepts like fairness and justice merely by playing off of people’s instinctive jealousy. They act as the sadistic day-care worker who causes a frenzy by accusing the child with the most Legos of stealing from the other children.

The party understands how to stoke an entitlement mindset by conflating disbursement with accessibility. When a child can’t buy a toy because he already spent his allowance, and his parents don’t give him the money to buy it, the Democrats act as the store employee behind the register who whispers to the child, “Your parents don’t want you to have that toy because they don’t like you.”

The party understands that adolescent adults are just as easily distracted as actual children, as long as the object being held out in front of them is shiny enough. They understand that people are less impressed with the guy who works his butt off at two jobs to provide for his family, than they are the guy with a hundred-thousand Twitter followers.

The party understands that a good chunk of adults view our national debt the same way a teenager with his first credit card views his account balance. Their message is: “Sure, that’s a lot of money you owe, but don’t worry. There’s plenty of time to deal with it. Treat yourself to something nice! The problem will work itself out somehow.”From a Dead Sleep - by John A. Daly

Such audacity would be laughed off by mature adults, but not by adolescent ones. On them, it works. And it has nothing to do with political ideology.

To be fair, Republicans try this type of thing from time to time too, but boy are they bad at it. Any time we hear them complain about the nice things President Obama gets to do on his birthday while Americans are out of work, I have to shake my head. It’s such a petty, childish complaint – especially in the context of all of the very serious damage the president’s policies and lack of leadership are doing to this country.

Policies and leadership: Those are the things that people should be concerned with. But the adult-adolescents have as much interest in them as my own children do. I can’t think of a more devastating blow to democracy than that.

Author Bio:

John Daly couldn't have cared less about world events and politics until the horrific 9/11 terrorist attacks changed his perspective. Since then, he's been deeply engaged in the news of the day with a particular interest in how that news is presented. Realizing the importance of the media in a free, democratic society, John has long felt compelled to identify media injustices when he sees them. With a B.S. in Business Administration, and a 16 year background in software and web development, John has found that his real passion is for writing. His first novel, entitled "From a Dead Sleep", is now on sale! He lives in Northern Colorado with his wife and two children. Like John on Facebook. Follow John on Twitter.
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  • Donna E Turner

    Look at our schools. Run by psychology and getting more and more dumbed down with every generation. Nobody in America could pass the tests they have in Europe. Until America gets rid of its incompetent teachers and ridiculous curriculum our people don’t have a chance.

  • Big A

    Great points. I, too, find the “man on the street” segments frightening. Even more frightening is the average liberal/progressive’s failure to understand how the Democratic party encourages (dare i say brainwashes?) its constituency to remain hopelessly uninformed with the help of the media.

  • Brian Fr Langley

    Nothing grows us up faster than being held responsible and accountable. Being raised by a single mother on the mean streets of Vancouver I really thought the world owed me a living. Due to a bureaucratic foul up in my early 20’s my benefits were cut off for 18 weeks. As I was supporting (with my benefits) my youngest brother at the time, it became a disaster. I mean real, true, seriously life threatening hunger. Desperate (hungry) and realizing the world didn’t owe me a living after all, I took to earning money by doing jobs no one else would do. After much hard work, sacrifice, and frugal living, I’ve become quite well off. As an employer I watch the struggle it takes potential employee’s to give up (Government) benefits and take a job. Since they already receive money for no work, they can’t help but calculate what seems a modest gain in income for now having to work. And pride in making your own way doesn’t seem to enter into things at all. Except, after even a few months of working (and paying taxes) all the pride seems to come back (for most) and now the thought of sponging of taxpayers becomes extremely distasteful. Dependency HURTS it does NOT heal. If we really want a nation of grownups, we need to make folks responsible for their own choices.

    • John Daly

      Very well said.

    • legal eagle

      So you received benefits but others who are need should not? You sponged off the tax payers but others should not? Sounds a little hypocritical to me…

      • Brian Fr Langley

        Being raised by a single mother on welfare, welfare was all I knew. Happily as an adult, the taxes I’ve paid and the jobs I’ve created, (as a successful entrepreneur) has paid back my community more than hundreds (possibly thousands) of times over. As for need? It turns out I only thought I was dependant, courtesy of an excessively liberal welfare scheme. When the money (and the food) ended, so did my dependency.

        • John Daly

          Adam Carolla tells a similar story of his upbringing.

          I think we can all agree that we want some safety-net programs in our society, but those programs should motivate people to lift themselves up into self-reliance… not facilitate a lifestyle of dependence.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            While I agree we need a safety net, I’m not sure I agree it has to be the Government? I mean, would we really have people starving in the streets if the Government let private charities assist the truly needy? My point is, I don’t think Government is capable of instituting programs that won’t expand indefinitely. What would even would motivate Government bureaucrats, to go on and shrink departments whose need was declining? Having said that, there are really, truly, needy folks out there who need our help, and I don’t begrudge them it an iota.

          • legal eagle

            Amazing how much of a hypocrite you are…. My father dies when I was 9…If not for Social Security benefits my mother would have had a hard time paying the rent and providing food for the family….Perhaps Mr. Langley you should go to a doctor and get an empathy implant….You are a perfect example of the Republican motto ” I got mine…now get off my lawn”….

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Empathy??? What I said, (and very clearly) is charity is a personal responsibility. (and I am personally very charitable, is that sufficient empathy)? And persons should be prepared to take care of each other. Depending on big Government only creates big dependancy, which in my experience is extra-ordinarily destructive to a self reliant (and thus self fullfilled) life. Worse when Governments do it, individuals don’t, thus seriously disconnecting them one from another. Study after study, now points out how rewarding giving can be. But giving by individuals is a choice, giving by Government is confiscation. One is rewarding and life affirming, the other, simply a job for bureaucrats creating dependancies. (that HURT not heal). And where a Government social safety net, is truly necessary, then it should be at the local level, where recipients and their needs are known, not by faceless bureaucrats far, far, away.

          • legal eagle

            When they elect you king you can enact your 1950’s style social contract….Your attempt to mask your hypocrisy by telling people what’s good for them is audacious and self delusional…

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Being you sign your name “legal eagle”, and being you’re an orphan (sorry for your loss by the way, I’m sure it still hurts) some one (other than Government) likely helped you get that coveted law degree. (Good for you if they didn’t) That kind of help can be incredibly life affirming for all parties involved. There is little afirmation (for anybody)in Government largesse, meant only to procure your future votes, at the expense of coerced third parties.

          • legal eagle

            I was not an orphan…If not for the government providing student loans and providing my mother income to raise myself and my sisters I never would have been able to attend school…
            The government gave me and my family a helping hand when we needed it most….That’s the purpose for government social programs…I will always be thankful that government assistance in whatever form was available. I believe in reality not theory….

          • Brian Fr Langley

            The Torah talks a lot about widows and orphans. Orphan also means fatherless. And while I support your gratitude, to Government, I don’t believe you would have been helpless without the Government. That’s what Synagogues, Churches, Mosques, and other charities are for. Good people, in a rich country, won’t suffer their fellow countrymen destitute and deprived of the basics. Long before there were Government programs, there were Synagogues, Churches, Mosques and other charitable organizations. History verifies that mass starvation does not occur (among the poor) just because of absent Government programs.

          • legal eagle

            Let me know which religious programs pay poor families rent and food and educational costs? Cite me an example? I respect your view…I’ve lived it and you have no idea what you are talking about…

          • Brian Fr Langley

            I’m not aware of a single Church that does not provide alms to the poor. I’m quite sure Synagogues and Mosques do as well. What do you think happened before Roosevelt’s “new deal” Folks were cared for by Family, friends, their local communities, and of course local religious institutions. That is, we took care of each other. Now we turn our backs on our poor, and screech for the Government to do something. Perhaps it’s liberals who need the empathy transplant.

          • legal eagle

            Brian….If you want to know what America was before Roosevelt read “The Grapes of Wrath”…..These are not the good old days…

          • Brian Fr Langley

            The great depression was a tiny brief period and not at all indicative of most of American history. Then like now, was a time when free markets were transformed from free markets to gambling dens. (as was done by Clinton at the end of his second term when he repealed the 30’s era anti gaming laws in stock markets). For just a peek at how charitable Americans can be, just consider modern day humane societies? Without any Government support they raise untold billions of dollars to feed and shelter homeless (and hungry) former family pets. (and I mean billions with a B) If folks will spend billions of their own money on stray dogs and cats at their local animal shelter, I remain quite confident they’ll spend what it takes, to care for their own friends and neighbors.

          • legal eagle

            What are anti-gaming laws?

          • Brian Fr Langley

            By the late 20’s markets had become a toxic mix of actual markets and infettered gambling. While there were two Glass-Steagal acts, one of them assisted in reverting markets, back to being markets. (a place where actual goods were bought and sold) and severely restricted simple gaming. (betting) As part of the Clinton’s administrations repealing of Glass- Steagal they specifically over rode state anti-gaming legislation, that proscribed certain activities. (unfettered gambling). Which returned with gusto, and once again wrecked the economy. (A simplication, but space is limited) In fact a great argument can be made that this is one area Government has a role. Historically (going way way back, even to medieval times and further) Governments always regulated the markets. While they set no prices, they licensed them. They tested their weigh scales. (so no cheating) and they enforced contracts between individuals. (made them keep their word) While too much Government can be a threat to our way of life, so can too little.

          • legal eagle

            How old are you?

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Why? so you can take my brilliantly elucidated arguments, throw them in the trash can, and go back to simply considering them the empty headed babblings of a grumpy old man?

          • I Hate Fascists

            Brian I’m happy for you that things have turned out so well. But do you really believe it would have if you had come up under this hard line right wing? Make no mistake, they do not differentiate between those who might eventually repay their debt as you have vs those who will not or cannot. Those who are now in the predicament that you were in are all the same to them, to be thrown out with the trash, no skin off their potato. Your concept of charity as a personal responsibility is admirable but not everyone is as forthcoming as you are. Certainly not the Insane Clown Posse aka Daly/Webb whose sick idea of preppie humor is proudly on display below.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            You liberal yuppie types kill me. Hunger turns out to be an extra-ordinarily powerful motivator. I’m quite sure one thing you and Mr. Legal both have in common, is you were never hungry. (I mean really, truly, I need food to survive hungry) As I said, I took jobs no body else would do. Because in a filthy rich society (like America) there are always legal, but dirty jobs most folks won’t take. (why do you think America is chock full of illegals). Yes it’s true, I was raised in pecuniary circumstances by a single mother on welfare, BUT, she had choices. She had poor, but independent parents who dirt farmed a small patch on the Prairies. It would have been tough but we would have had food, shelter and clothing. BUT my mother (whom of course I love) chose the bright lights of the big City. Yes there are really, truly, needy folks out there, but the vast majority (in Rich America) are living out there own choices. Worse, their choices divert scarce resources from the truly needy. Your free lunch proposals only advance the infantalized culture your ilk are responsible for developing. Make folks take responsibility for their own choices (and act like adults), and lo and behold you’ll get adults. Of course liberal types hate this idea, because once they’re emancipated from dependency, folks will stop voting for them and their (well tried and well failed) liberal (Marxist) ideologies.

          • I Hate Fascists

            So you are saying that you would have succeeded with or without welfare. And so anyone else in your situation should also. And if not then let them seek assistance from the nearest church, synagogue, mosque, or animal shelter?

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Built on a foundation of individual private property rights, I’m saying America is an extremely wealthy country where opportunities are boundless. It’s always been a place where hard work, enterprise, and making good choices are rewarded. There will always be our fellow men who truly need our help. Just not the millions upon millions who (because of well meaning but deluded,folks like you) simply take help because they can. (like my beloved mother) PS I never suggested folks should look to animal shelters for help. I merely pointed out that these shelters raise untold billions for stray cats and dogs. Proof of the generous nature of Americans, who give vast sums to charity’s without having been coerced.

          • I Hate Fascists

            Well Brian what can I say except, you are a good man, and you have your way of looking at things, and certainly the filthy rich as you refer to them certainly will encourage that line of reasoning that will empower them to become filthier and richer.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Well if your going to be reasonable, let me give you reason. Hunger, real endemic, life threatening hunger is not solved by egalitarian ideals. It’s solved by producing food. The production of food, carried out, by following egalitarian ideals, (you know, the proletariat) falls far short of food produced, by those incented by individual private property rights. Since wealth, (all wealth) is simply a name for more food than you can eat. Humanity requires the optimum maximization of food production. Capitalism, (which is simply the natural extension of private property rights) has proven categorically that no other system devised by men, even comes close to it’s ability to maximize food production. Yes, some folks will get rich, but then again, many more other folks will get to eat.

          • I Hate Fascists

            Sounds good to me. If you run for president I will vote for you.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Thanks for the discussion.

          • legal eagle

            Opportunities are boundless? What fantasy world are you living in?

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Well since immigrants have been pouring into America since it’s inception, and since even today everybody is talking about what to do about the porous borders, and since there are nearly 20 million illegals, One has to ask, if there are no opportunities, WHY IS THE WHOLE WORLD TRYING TO GET IN? Come comrade, argument is senseless, you need to resort to the tried and true liberal method of base emotions and demagoguery.

          • legal eagle

            You grew up in a different era….These are not the good old days…..

          • John Daly

            lol. All we did is mock the dumb caricature you tried to apply to us. And I must admit, your whiny reaction to it was a kick to read.

          • I Hate Fascists

            No doubt you have Muffy and Buffy laughing so hard they bust right out of their chastity belts. Does O’Reilly know about you 2 bozos? You could be the opening act for the Bold Fresh Tour.

          • I Hate Fascists

            So you are flying over Detroit dropping food scraps out of a helicopter to provoke a riot. Very humorous. Do you have any other funny jokes? Maybe about the Boston bombing or the wildfires in California?

          • John Daly

            Nah. I don’t need to offer any more at this time. Your feigned outrage in response to the caricature you created is providing enough humor for now.

          • I Hate Fascists

            Well since you can’t answer that then answer this, you who accuses me of being desperate for attention. You keep chirping up even when no one is talking to you. Sounds like you are the one desperate for attention eh?

          • legal eagle

            Brian, Your arguments may be brilliant and well elucidated but they usually have no relevance to what is going on in 2013…..
            As an example, your statement that religious charities have the means or the will to replace government social welfare programs…Why are you not concerned about the billions government gives away in corporate welfare?

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Corporate welfare???? Do you mean the money Obama throws at dubious green energy projects ran by liberal thinking supporters???? or do you mean tax breaks, like letting some corporations KEEP some more of their OWN money to invest in ways the Government thinks will be more beneficial????? I’m against both. BUT letting some one keep more of their earnings is NOT welfare. The money belongs to it’s producer, not YOU the voter. I guess when you believe all money earned by anybody is the Governments any tax reductions look like welfare????

          • legal eagle

            So $5 billion a year in tax breaks for the oil and gas industry, one of the most profitable industries in the US, is “letting them keep their own money”? Are you serious?

          • Brian Fr Langley

            so take it away from real producers (of jobs and benefits) and give it to Obama’s green energy cronies???? Are you serious?

          • legal eagle

            Brian….If you want to keep repeating ideological nonsense be my guest…..You’ve become boring…..

          • Brian Fr Langley

            So let me get this straight, you think your vote should get to take away some one’s earnings, from their own private property, give it to a Government, to spend it at the direction of elitist ideologue’s like you, and you accuse me of repeating ideological nonsense? Come, come, comrade, can’t you come up with an actual argument?

          • John Daly

            lol. It’s his new thing, Brian. Legal likes to throw out some knee-jerk, ideological drivel, and then when someone challenges him on it by putting forth a strong counterargument, he blindly accuses THEM of being the ideologue.

            It’s all he’s been doing for the past couple of days. I’m thinking it’s part of some social experiment sponsored by Media Matters or Think Progress. Not sure though. ;)

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Thanks for the tip. PS this article has now generated nearly 200 comments, so congratulations are due.

          • John Daly

            lol. Thanks Brian. Although I think the high comment count is largely due to my propensity to engage the trolls who come here looking to heckle me rather than to comment on the things I write about.

            I’ve loved your input by the way. Very insightful and very informative. You even managed to win over “I Hate Facists” by expressing the same views that he often refers to as evidence of why I’m an evil person, when I express them.

            Very impressive, sir! ;)

          • Brian Fr Langley

            It’s all perspective. While America’s founding Fathers devised humanity’s best and highest order of liberty, egalitarianism, and wealth creation (food production) ever seen. Modern marxist’s with (complicit mainstream media), have successfully branded capitalism, as simple base greed. (I know this sounds like hyperbole, but unhappily it’s not). Thus engendering the confusion you’ve referred too. (about who’s evil). I mean who isn’t against rapacious greed? Traditionalists need to better frame our arguments. (and present them in ways the mainstream media can’t distort) History proves, (and that conclusively), that collective egalitarianism won’t, (and can’t), provide sufficient productive energy, to feed, shelter and clothe us. On the other hand, the civilization designed by America’s founding Father’s does. And that ain’t greed, it’s just the simple truth. Thanks again.

          • mcveen

            Good point re: dominant media sycophants but lets remember that they parrotNone the views of their bosses. None of the daily news anchors from NBC, CBS, or ABC have freedom to present political news independently, even if they wanted to. It has always been that way.

          • legal eagle

            I think Corporations should pay their fair share of taxes….

          • John Daly

            Thank you, DNC spokesperson.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            So what’s fair? 10% of income? 20%? what about 80%? Everybody agrees we all have to pay taxes. Where we disagree is where we see the Government spending vast sums on itself, and then further using our taxed dollars to buy themselves votes, (so they can have rich, cushy jobs). The first job of a bureaucrat is to hire a helper (another bureaucrat) and make his department bigger. The solution a reasonable (fairly small percentage of income) in a flat across the board tax. Then perhaps a consumption tax (a tax on purchases) with certain basics exempted. Purchase taxes are by definition free choice taxes. (because you don’t have to make a purchase if you don’t want to) So as I said Mr. Legal, What’s fair to you? Besides just taking away money from anybody richer than you, to pay for programs you agree with?

          • mcveen

            Doubt Legal Eagle knows how to respond to a concise, cogent argument like that all by himself.

          • I Hate Fascists

            Brian do you think these Fascists could care less about a small business like yours? Think again. They care about their benefactors. Not small business owners and certainly not workers. Think Koch Bros. Think Wal-Mart. I don’t know what line of business you are in but the right wing concept of total free market with no regulations will be conducive to your larger competitors to drive you out of business. Once you vote them into power you have outlived your usefulness and they will throw you under the bus like everyone else. Be careful what you wish for. And don’t believe the hype.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            I don’t know a business owner on planet earth that believes in no regulations? The sad truth is big business most of all. They love them (regs) Why? Because they’re barriers to entry. That is, the more regs imposed on a sector of business, the higher cost to get into the business. Big business can afford the regs, small business can not. Have you not noticed that it is actually liberal policies that create more regs to benefit big business? Have you not noticed that the poor have gotton poorer, the middle class are losing ground at a staggering pace, but under Obama (and his ultra liberal policies) the rich? They’ve gotten staggeringly richer. Wall street was barely 14000 points when Bush left, It’s now over 15000 points. The very richest gat all there money back and then some. The rest of us got stagnat pay checks and unemployment. Wall street has not seen one crook go to jail and have sent un told millions in donations to, guess who? Democrats???? PS I don’t believe the hype, I’m not so sure about you????

          • mcveen

            Very good Brian. I like your style.

          • mcveen

            The Grapes of Wrath has been with us since Steinbeck captured it in 1938. Rich boy Roosevelt laid the antigent in fed gov’t against self reliance because he never had to be. Roosevelt was the progenitor of big government and we, the supposed honest, meager payers, unwashed, and untitled owners will never recover due to players like you.

            You and your kind contribute nothing, take everything available provided by docile American taxpayers. You may disagree, but can’t provide examples to the contrary. You raise hell about unfairness of my claims because you only know the soft side of entitlement and reception, rather than paying. It’s been going on since 1964. Payers think it’s time for you and your crowd to give something back to ‘your’ country!

          • mcveen

            Legal, you have not lived it because if you had, you would know better. Assuming that you are not a complete fake, I’ll provide a few numbers for you courtesy of The American Religious Council on Giving in America 2012.

            Presbyterian USA Council donated > $287,868,172.00 for rent assistance to recipients in Newark, NJ, Philadelphia, PA, Compton, CA, Atlanta, GA, Detroit, MI and small towns too numerous to mention. This money was raised thru specific gifts among Presbyterian church congregants throughout the US. Presbyterian USA donated > 482,763,551.00 to food banks in over 1200 US communities.Presbyterian USA Councils donated 363,747,832.00 to energy bills for poor folk across the USA in 2012. It is a standard offering among Presbyterian churches during Dec and Jan.

            Methodist, Baptist, Catholic, Morman and other organized religious numbers too numerous to mention gave similar or more. Added together, the believing, church going contribution to poor, under served people in America amounted to > $284,103,347,498.00 in 2012. Though this might seem like chump change to you, many gave $ to help
            poor people in-lieu of their own families. I doubt that you have ever laid an offering in any church plate.

          • legal eagle

            So is it your belief that the government should not provide assistance to the poor because religious organizations do enough? That’s the issue…It’s not a question of chump change.

          • mcveen

            I was an orphan but did not qualify for gov’t help because I was white. I found a way to make it anyway. Most of us worked hard, learned sincerity, honesty, and dedication so that we could give you a hand. Like it or not, we’re still giving you our hand but all you can do is grab the gifts while growling and biting that hand. Most gov’t recipients seem incapable of learning anything useful to yourselves or anyone else. If the situation were reversed, what would you do?

          • legal eagle

            I would kick you in your groin and watch you ask for help..

          • mcveen

            legal
            eagle

            I would kick you in your groin and watch you ask for help..

            And that’s what I would expect from you and your kind! Exactly why apes spend their lives among civilized society in jail.

          • mcveen

            You seem to be a hateful person. Did d’ bro’ steal yo’ check?

    • Wil

      A good paying job with benefits, will cure dependency!

      • Brian Fr Langley

        Surprisingly enough, so will a low paying job and no benefits. Once folks earn, few will give it up. And once folks earn, job experience invariably leads to better and better earnings. Typically to that good paying job with benefits you mentioned.

      • John Daly

        Agreed, and employers are far more likely to create such jobs when the heavy hand of government isn’t keeping them from investing in themselves and expanding.

        Wil, you want the apple without the apple tree. It doesn’t work that way.

        • Brian Fr Langley

          How right you are. If I hear “that’s just the cost of doing business”, one more time I think I’ll puke. Who are they kidding? Every penny a business spends comes out of somebodies pocket. Either the owners, the customers, the employees, or most likely, all three. It’s private enterprise that creates wealth, NOT Government spending.

          • Wheels55

            When Obamacare sends us into a single provider system, businesses will just shrug their shoulders. To attract the best people, smart business will provide other benefits – like supplemental insurance to cover what socialist medicine cannot or a paid trip to Columbia to have surgery. Not so far fetched.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            It was always about single provider, the rest was just smoke. With the Government controlling health care, who promises most will win most. Typically a significant advantage to liberal types, (Democrats) for whom money, (and deficits and debts) are no object.

  • Wheels55

    Only age clearly defines “adult”. Acting adult-like just doesn’t happen with a birthday. One has to live like an adult – with personal responsibility and, dare I say, personal pride. So many are brought up in an easy world – never having to work hard for life’s basics. That’s nice, but balance your budget and afford your own food, medicine and shelter just doesn’t happen without experience. My 23 year-old – fresh out of college – is finding that out. We could help her financially, but she would not learn to be an adult. I am happy to say that she gets it and wants to afford things on her own.

    • John Daly

      Sounds like you’re a good parent, Wheels55. My own parents definitely did me a favor years ago by doing the same thing. It’s not always easy coming right out of college and living independently, but it builds character and helps them become self-sufficient.

      • Wheels55

        Thanks. My parents did the same for me. I grew up wanting to be personally responsible – some where around my college years. When I was a kid, I tried to get away with a lot – and usually paid the price.

        • John Daly

          While in college, I always worked my butt off during the summer and over Christmas break in order to pay for food and rent when school was in session. I remember having practically nothing left during the last semester of my junior year. It was rough. I lost about 20 pounds because I didn’t buy as much food. I’m sure if I had asked my parents, they would have lent me some money, but that’s the last thing I wanted to do.

          It’s times like that that you realize that necessity really is the mother invention. I got by by buying cheap, used CDs from a music store and selling them for a profit to another music store across town. Once summer came around, I was able to build my savings back up at work.

          I wouldn’t change that experience for anything.

          • legal eagle

            What a heart tugging story….Were you born in a log cabin?…LOL

          • Jeff Webb

            You were hoping John got help from his parents while he was a student, weren’t you? It must really disappoint you having to stuff that hypocrite card back in your pocket.

          • legal eagle

            How do I know what John got from his parents and why do I care? Do you believe everything you read?

          • John Daly

            >>How do I know what John got from his parents

            Because I just told you.

            Believe it or not legal, some people work hard not to be a financial burden on others, and choose a life of self-reliance… even when it’s not easy.

            And before you try and discount such people again, recognize that it is those people’s taxes that pay for the social programs others depend on.

          • mcveen

            You suck.

          • legal eagle

            Suck on this…………

          • Wheels55

            I worked 30 hours a week in my senior year while finishing my accounting degree. I always worked while in college (actually since I was 13 mowing lawns). I didn’t have as much fun as others, but I truly earned (and enjoyed) my college experience. I learned how to be a well educated adult – not a well educated kid.
            I do acknowledge others such as my parents and certain instructors that were encouraging. But I earned it and still do.

            Legal, you are such a buzzard.

    • legal eagle

      Oh…I can imagine how your daughter will say one day…Thanks Daddy for letting me starve and live in a s..hole….Oh, what a valuable lesson you’ve taught me…

      • John Daly

        What an asinine comment – possibly even sexist. Why would you assume his daughter is going to fail in life?

        Seriously… I haven’t read something this disturbing in quite a while, and that’s really saying something.

        • legal eagle

          Your easily disturbed.. didn’t mean to disrupt your fantasy about how real people live their lives or why they should be supportive of their family….

          • John Daly

            You are an incredibly bizarre individual. You act as if the idea of someone making it on their own merit is somehow a fantasy. For many people, it’s very much a reality and something they should be very proud of. Yet, you mock it. That’s incredibly bothersome, but it certainly explains a lot about you.

            And spare me the “supportive of their family” nonsense. You can be a supportive parent without financially supporting your kids when they’re adults.

          • legal eagle

            You live in a dream world… No one makes it on their own…all of us have plenty of help…Their is a fine line between the American dream and the American nightmare…you just have no idea where that line is…

          • John Daly

            Oh, is this the old “you didn’t build that!” nonsense, where we pretend that the existence of bridges and highways mean that we owe our success to the government? Or maybe you’re factoring in the people who raise us from birth.

            What I’m obviously talking about is adults earning a living without government or parents financing them. There are MANY of those people in this country, and they should be admired in our society… not mocked by you or our president.

          • legal eagle

            I’m talking about the people who helped us financially, emotionally, did us a favor by hiring us, made a contact for us etc…..
            How did you get so narrow minded at the age of 40?

          • John Daly

            Right legal, because that’s what I’ve been talking about this whole time: People helping us emotionally, hiring us, and making contacts for us. Ugh.

            Give me a break. Try actually digesting the things I write, rather than continually changing the topic while pretending I’m saying something that I’m not.

            I’m obviously not against people doing favors for other people. My point – which I’ve stated time after time – is that it’s unhealthy for adults to be financially dependent on their parents or the government. Very simple.

            By the age of 62, you should have learned how to discuss topics like an adult.

          • legal eagle

            “Digest” the things you write? You write bland clichés with little if any facts to back them up….When I ask you a specific you ignore the question…

          • John Daly

            >>”Digest” the things you write?

            Yes, actually try it for a change. It would be nice, when having a discussion with you, for me to be able to say something like “drinking water keeps you hydrated” without you responding with, “Water is NOT the only beverage that keeps people hydrated! How can you suggest that it is???”

            Try and focus on what I’m actually saying, instead of making up opposing views and pretending they’re mine.

            >> You write bland clichés

            I sure don’t, and blindly saying that over and over again to avoid an adult discussion affirms that you have nothing of significance to say.

          • mcveen

            Legal Beagle isn’t even gonna try to digest anything but pork rinds. He probably sits back everyday, secure in his gov’t checks, to pontificate on why we should give more to him and fellow malcontents.

          • mcveen

            Very good that you had some family & friends to help out. That’s the way most of us do it. Problem is when the giant gov’t ape takes away what others work for to give you for no reason other than corrupted power to do so. And Democrats in gov’t has been doing that massively since 1961.

            Legal Beagle, most people want to help,a lot, but when their ability to care for their own families is negatively affected year after year by gov’t confiscation through taxation and fees, the payers become jaded. Its the same old story for 50 years but no amount of gov’t $ will fix black America. Black society must fix itself; but, doubt it will happen because dependence on gov’t largess taught by yo’ Democrat plantation owners is the dominant philosophy.

          • mcveen

            Typical liberal, defeatist attitude -> Somebody just give it to me! That attitude has gotten us to where we are in the last few years. What can you do when freebies are gone? Can you make it on your own?

          • legal eagle

            Give me an example of someone who has ‘made it on their own”?

          • mcveen

            Joseph Adams

      • Wheels55

        Up yours

      • mcveen

        Wheels is teaching self reliance and a valuable lesson it is. If a parent (or someone) had taught you something years ago, you might not be so bitter and hateful now.

        • legal eagle

          Wheels is teaching nothing other than to relate clichés from the good old days…….

          • mcveen

            Legal, you’re nothing but a turd. Not gonna waste any more time on you. Enjoy yo’ beer an’ po’k rinds on da’ corner.

        • legal eagle

          My parents taught me to ignore morons who thnk they are experts on subjects they know nothing about..

          • mcveen

            legal, your childish but nasty attitude illustrate the problems within your hollow community better than anything I can say. I don’t believe you’ve had the experiences claimed; you are nothing more than an ignorant, malevolent old man that lives off welfare and drinks too much. This concludes my experience with you.

  • I Hate Fascists

    I’m no longer wasting time talking to you but here is a suggestion. Why don’t you tell your benefactors to create some jobs for some real programmers so that comments on this website don’t keep disappearing and reappearing?

    • John Daly

      Thanks for posting here to let me know you’re no longer talking to me. Appreciate it.

      • I Hate Fascists

        No problem but read past that because your website clearly sucks

        • John Daly

          Yet, you’re obsessed with it.

          • I Hate Fascists

            If you say so. Just a public service because if you look you will see that even your brilliant comments are being cut off.

  • Smith

    Perfectly describes the Obama’s “Life of Julia” Dependency.

    • John Daly

      True. The Julia stuff was highly disturbing.

  • Royalsfan67

    Funny, my fiance and I were just talking about this very thing this morning. Grown ups are more like little kids every year.

  • Brian Fr Langley

    That America is being infantalized there is no doubt. But how and why, is America being infantalized? Nothing creates children faster than dependancy. For most of history, if we didn’t work, we didn’t eat, have shelter or have clothing. Babies without fathers had dim prospects. (the original language meaning orphan was fatherlessness). Today sexually liberated, (creating vast numbers of fatherless children) and being fed, sheltered and clothed, (whether we work or not), we now have few reasons to grow up. (and those few who do, are ridiculed). We now, (like Peter Pan), have layed out before us, an endless childhood of irresponsibility. Which of course, makes us an excellent source of votes, for those (political parties) that espouse, “long live childhood” and the endless entitlements that entails. Yes children need their parents, and folks who never grow up, need their Government. And don’t Governments know it.

    • John Daly

      Good points. And it’s not only government to blame. It’s also parents. I know several people whose kids are in their 20s and they’re STILL bailing them out of financial dilemmas. It would be one thing if it’s some sort of medical situation, but I’m talking about just poor financial decisions.

      • Brian Fr Langley

        Completely true, BUT, parents are (usually) trying to help their children. Governments, and their leftie media allies, are (mostly) only trying to help themselves. Adults don’t need a nanny state, children do. Social justice is the tool of the left, not the goal.

        • John Daly

          Well, I do think that many liberals indeed believe they’re helping people by giving them stuff and making them dependent on others. But yes, politicians are usually pretty self-serving.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Sorry, I should have differentiated the parties. The brains involved, clearly have malice afore thought (They know what they’re doing, and intend it.) However I agree, most liberals, and (unhappily many traditionalist’s) are simply well intentioned dupes. Non the less, the path to collective (utopian) bliss, continues apace. PS check out the Kyoto accord one of these days. While it failed, (barely) it would have assumed control over virtually every second of your life, cradle to grave.

    • cmacrider

      Brian Fr. Langley … well thought out …. well stated

  • Vicky060

    This is one of the most insightful articles I have read in some time. It explains much of what has occurred and is occurring in the country. Let’s not worry about who pays for “no pre-existing conditions”; let’s not worry about the long term implications of pulling all troops out of Iraq, etc. etc. The approach is childlike. “I want it now and I don’ t care about spoiling my dinner”. Great job!!

    • John Daly

      Thanks, and you’re right about the mindset. Adolescents don’t understand that there is no such thing as a benefit without a cost.

  • Bob Olden

    Network News on TV seems to play right along with the childish tastes. Instead of doing hard research of substantial issues and helping the public to understand their complexity and importance, they devote endless hours to car chases, movie star scandals, and sensational court cases. I can’t stand to watch it for more than a few minutes while the charming personalities banter back and forth trying to look attractive and funny and occasionally look serious while saying, “further information has just come to light in the Michael Jackson case…”

    • John Daly

      I actually expanded on this point when I was originally working on this column, but felt it was getting too long. ;)

    • legal eagle

      So change the channel….What’s your problem?

  • legal eagle

    More hyperbole from a grumpy old man….Guess writing a blog is cheaper than going to analysis….LOL

    • John Daly

      lol. How old do you think I am, legal? I have a feeling I’m young enough to be your son.

      • legal eagle

        How would I know how old you are? You philosophy is that of an 85 year old Republican, which is “Screw everyone, I’ve got mine”….

        • John Daly

          lol. As if you even read the columns on this website, beyond the headlines.

        • legal eagle

          I read your blog in search of your proposed solutions…It’s easy to moan and groan…it’s much harder to come up with workable solutions….Outside of the southern states America has become more socially liberal for the past 45+ years…Social liberalism is a result of demographic changes as well as the quest for more and more freedom….
          I know what you’re against…What are you for?

          • John Daly

            Workable solutions? To what? Stopping adults from acting like kids? I can’t work miracles, man.

            A good start, however, would be for parents to stop coddling their children well into their 20’s and beyond. Less dependence on government and a society that recognizes some merit in personal responsibility would help as well, but I think we’re too far gone for that.

            And for you to say (presumably with a straight face) that liberalism is about the quest for more and more freedom, you’re clearly too far gone to convince of anything.

          • legal eagle

            If you have kids try telling them how to live their lives….see how that works out for you…

          • John Daly

            Telling them how to live their lives? What are you talking about?

          • legal eagle

            My point was…you cannot tell who should have babies out of wedlock…There are far more single white mothers than black….It’s an income/class phenomenon….There are some societal problems without a solution…..

          • John Daly

            Not at all what I was talking about. I was talking about parents not letting their adult kids be responsible for themselves.

          • legal eagle

            So families with money who continue to support their kids after they get out of school is a problem? Because your parents didn’t help you and you turned out so wonderful you have decided the proper way to be supportive of one’s children?
            A bit presumptuous, don’t you think?

          • John Daly

            Yes, it’s a problem. I’ve seen it become a big problem with people I know very well. They continually bail their adult kids out of the poor, reckless decisions they make. And by doing that, they only encourage them to keep making bad mistakes, act completely irresponsible, and remain dependent on others to get by.

            It’s a bad thing for everyone involved.

          • legal eagle

            More generalizations based upon anecdotal evidence…..This is your opinion…People I know do what they can to help family members…

          • John Daly

            Just so I get this straight: You believe that repeatedly bailing grown adults out of the stupid, costly decisions they make is a good thing? Is that really your argument?

          • legal eagle

            I’m an attorney….You’re changing your hypothetical…”repeatedly bailing grown adults out of stupid costly decisions” is not the same as helping family members pay their bills….

          • I Hate Fascists

            Wasn’t it one Mitt Rmoney who advised young adults to simply borrow money from their parents and start a business?

          • John Daly

            Wasn’t it you who has told me at least a couple of dozen times that you’re done commenting on my columns (including in this very column)? Just admit it: You can’t because you’re desperate for attention.

            And though I don’t always agree with Romney, there’s a pretty distinct line between borrowing money and living off of your parent’s charity.

          • I Hate Fascists

            I wasn’t talking to you

          • legal eagle

            Good popint…Bet Mitt’s kids aren’t coddled?

          • John Daly

            No one was ever talking about helping family members pay bills, so it was you who changed the hypothetical. But while we’re on the topic, the bill thing can absolutely be a problem too, when it becomes routine and expected.

  • moonflyr23

    Excellent…puts it all in perspective.

    • John Daly

      Thank you

  • Michael

    Great article! It really describes how people feel today. I hope these adolescent adults grow up some day soon. I’m only 28 and have seen such a drastic change in our Country and the people for the worse. I like the part, “…people are less impressed with the guy who works his butt off at two jobs to provide for his family, than they are the guy with a hundred-thousand Twitter followers.”… so sad, yet so true.

    • legal eagle

      It describes how people feel today? Perhaps you should read some books and gain some knowledge instead of showing how naïve you really are..

      • John Daly

        For the last time legal eagle, MAD magazine isn’t a book… You should stop trying to acquire knowledge from your monthly subscription to it.

        • legal eagle

          What Me Worry?

    • John Daly

      Thanks Michael. I’m just glad to hear from a 28 year-old who recognizes the problem. That alone is encouraging.

    • legal eagle

      I think you need to date more and pontificate about subjects you know nothing about less….

      • John Daly

        Don’t worry about legal eagle, Michael. He starts this type of nonsensical drivel whenever he can’t come up with an argument.

  • http://www.rightwingnews.com/ John Hawkins

    The opening quote is mine. Thanks for using it.

    • John Daly

      No kidding? Great quote!

    • legal eagle

      Who is advocating for having mortgages, birth control and student loans being paid by the government? Another cliché for the right wing echo chamber…

      • John Daly

        Cliche? Did you pay any attention to the 2012 campaign at all??? How about what is written in Obamacare? How about the intervention of the federal government into people’s mortgage payments? What about student loan forgiveness by the government after 30 years. The fact that you think this stuff is just made up pretty much makes the point of my column. Thanks.

        • legal eagle

          Birth control is part of most people’s insurance plans… What intervention has the government taken into the mortgage debacle? Little if any….You are a walking cliché…Thank goodness your readers know little about the facts….IGNORANCE IS BLISS?

          • John Daly

            You don’t recall the Obamacare mandate that required religious organizations to cover and provide birth control? You don’t require Sandra Fluke’s testimony to congress, and all of the atta-girls she got from the Democratic party because of it? You don’t call a couple of institutions named Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?

            It’s amazing to me how people like you so snidely deny hard facts, then accuse other people of being too dumb to sign onto your knee-jerk narrative. Simply wanting something to be true doesn’t actually make it true, legal. But if you truly are a “legal eagle”, that would certainly explain your mindset.

          • legal eagle

            The rule you are referring to mandated that companies that provide medical for their employees include birth control…It’s about gender equality…Are you against that?
            Secondly, Fannie Mae has been around since the late 1930’s..You call that government interference?
            What hard fact am I ignoring? I’m an attorney and I’d love to hear your opinions based upon facts not gut feelings…I’d particularly love to hear proposed solutions…

          • John Daly

            Gender equality? Please. Give it whatever lefty label you like, but it’s an example of the government relieving people of the responsibility of purchasing their own birth control.

            What does the inception year off Fannie Mae have to do with anything? I’m talking about the role it played in the 2008 mortgage crisis, and why it still exists in its current form. Seriously… Did you just look up “Fannie Mae” on Wikipedia, read the first sentence on the page, and type what you learned from it as your response? Just checked… That’s EXACTLY what you did. Ugh.

            Let me know when you decide to argue a serious point.

          • legal eagle

            Ever hear of health insurance? If your insurance company doesn’t choose to cover something you have a right to demand they do cover the necessities…maybe you believe that birth control is an option for women?

          • John Daly

            If health insurance companies choose to cover birth control, that’s perfectly fine with me. When government FORCES them too… That’s when I have a problem.

          • legal eagle

            Do you have health insurance? I have never heard anyone defend the practices of the health insurance industry……very strange….

          • John Daly

            Yes, I have health insurance… and what ‘practices’ am I supposed to be defending? I don’t believe anyone should be forced by the government to provide birth control to people.

            Anyone who wants purchase birth control can do it cheaply without it being covered by insurance.

          • legal eagle

            Well then you are a corporatist who believes corporations should be able to do whatever they please without government intervention or oversight…The auto industry should not be mandated to provide seat belts and airbags? The drug industry should not be mandated to gain FDA approval before selling a new drug?

          • John Daly

            No, I’m a capitalist who believes that private companies should be able to decide which services or products they offer, and which ones they don’t. There is absolutely a place for government regulation in business – especially when it comes to safety. Forcing a private institution to provide birth control does not fall within that category.

          • legal eagle

            More philosophical B.S…..Sounds like you’re a cult member …Guess you believe Wall Street and the banking industry should be able to do whatever they want?…so should the Insurance industry? Probably believe that the SEC should not exist? Obviously you’re a dreamer not a pragmatist…..

          • I Hate Fascists

            When the Koch Bros decide that they no longer require a no talent hack wannabe pundit as their mouthpiece, then maybe this turkey will understand how it feels to be without a home, a complete unknown, like a rolling stone. Like Portman and Sticky Dick Cheney on gay rights. Like Nancy ‘just say no’ Reagan on stem cell research. That is the only way a right winger evolves. But until then let him revel in his cult hero status and bask in the adulation of all these little Dalymaniacs. My suggestion is that we all stop trying to talk sense to these cretins and let them wallow amongst themselves in their Fascist Fantasyland, united in their hatred, greed, misery, and stupidity. Eventually they may evolve to the point where they realize that no one with any sense takes them seriously.

          • John Daly

            Heard you the first time, Skipper.

          • I Hate Fascists

            The first one disappeared due to your fucked up website so I posted it a second time

          • John Daly

            Watch the language there, sparky. I’d hate to have to suspend you again – especially with all of your insightful posts lately.

          • I Hate Fascists

            If you look you will see that even your insightful posts are being cut off. If not then you won’t. Whatever turkey. I’m done wasting time talking to you.

          • I Hate Fascists

            When the Koch Bros decide that they no longer require a no talent hack wannabe pundit as their mouthpiece, then maybe this turkey will understand how it feels to be without a home, a complete unknown, like a rolling stone. Like Portman and Sticky Dick Cheney on gay rights. Like Nancy ‘just say no’ Reagan on stem cell research. That is the only way a right winger evolves. But until then let him revel in his cult hero status and bask in the adulation of all these little Dalymaniacs. My suggestion is that we all stop trying to talk sense to these cretins and let them wallow amongst themselves in their Fascist Fantasyland, united in their hatred, greed, misery, and stupidity. Eventually they may evolve to the point where they realize that no one with any sense takes them seriously

          • John Daly

            The Kochs love me, dude. I’m with them on one of their private jets right now, flying over Detroit and dropping food scraps out the window and onto the homeless community to provoke a riot for our own personal amusement.

            We’re then meeting Jeffrey Webb and Burt Prelutsky for cocktails in Martha’s Vineyard before our afternoon game of polo.

          • Jeff Webb

            Bad tidings, J-man. We’ll have to relocate to either the compound in Catalina or the estate in Fairbanks–something about a politician closing down the ‘Vin for a We Democrats are Just Regular Folks rally.

            Need me to send the Big-Ass Mercedes to the airstrip, or is Travolta letting you use his backyard?

          • John Daly

            The Mercedes, please. Travolta’s house was just foreclosed on.

          • legal eagle

            Daly wishes he was on the Koch Bros. payroll….LOL

          • John Daly

            Darn straight! If they want to start sending me checks for simply speaking my mind, who am I to complain? ;)

          • legal eagle

            I agree….For the right price I would take the Koch’s or Adelson’s money and spout whatever they want….

          • I Hate Fascists

            No doubt if you want to start singing a different aria you could easily have Daly’s job.

          • I Hate Fascists

            What makes you think they aren’t? As you can see they are not ashamed to admit it.

          • John Daly

            One of the days, I’m hoping you’ll learn the art of sarcasm, IHF.

          • John Daly

            lol. Yes, because only a cult member would want less government interference in people’s lives. Eeesh.

            The rest of your post is yet another straw-man argument designed to distract from your failure to effectively argue what I’M saying. A pretty distinct pattern with you.

          • legal eagle

            If you wish to continue spouting Ayn Rand nonsense feel free to do it…..I deal in the world of facts and pragmatism….You appear to have a lack of intellectual curiosity as evidenced by your statements regarding FNMA etc…. I would suggest you read a book on the financial crisis before making Fox News like statements…

          • John Daly

            >>..I deal in the world of facts and pragmatism….

            lol. Are you kidding me? You spurt out things all the time on this website that just aren’t true. You create straw-man arguments routinely to avoid actual debate, and when someone calls you out on it, you change the subject and tell people who disagree with you that they’re not smart or that they’re uninformed.

            It’s humorous to read and all, but when you claim that you deal in facts, the only person you’re fooling is yourself.

          • legal eagle

            So you are against government regulation except when you are for government regulation? Typical Conservative nonsense…

          • John Daly

            Please. Your putting forth a 3-year-old’s argument. That would be like saying that by supporting gay rights, the Democrats want everyone to be gay.

            I don’t know any conservatives that are against ALL government regulations. Government should be involved in public safety issues when it comes to private business. Beyond that, government should have a very light footprint when it comes to regulation.

            Conservatives stand for small government, not NO government. You’re presenting conservatism as some kind of MSNBC parody.

          • legal eagle

            More vague nonsense…..Ok..so you are only against 95% of regulation of business….Dems want equal rights and laws to enforce them…Conservatives like to pick and choose who should have equal rights under the law…

          • Jeff Webb

            Who singled out organizations of a particular ideology, delayed their approval for tax-exemption, asked what their prayers were specifically about, and told some of them they’d be approved if they limited their right to public assembly?

            The very last thing democrats care about is equality. Your claims are only that–claims.

          • legal eagle

            And this is your version of a civil rights issue? LMAO…..

          • John Daly

            Another changing of the subject once you get your ass handed to you. At least you’re consistent.

          • John Daly

            >>Dems want equal rights and laws to enforce them…Conservatives like to
            pick and choose who should have equal rights under the law…

            If that’s not ‘vague nonsense’, I don’t know what is. And Jeff pretty much destroyed that myth in his post below.

          • Jeff Webb

            Cute name-calling, Eagle.

            Distract all you want, but John backed up his argument when you scoffed at it. If you don’t like it, don’t challenge it.

          • legal eagle

            Name calling? Whenever I argue a specific John responds with a cliché…..John should be thankful he’s not in litigation….His vague non answers would be unacceptable…Give me a specific…What banking or SEC regulation would you do away with?

          • John Daly

            I’m not sure you actually know what a cliche is, legal. You might want to look that up.

            And now we’re talking about banking? Are you even reading my posts?

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Whenever I argue a specific John responds with a cliché<<

            When you asked "(w)ho is advocating for having mortgages, birth control and student loans being paid by the government?", John gave you specific examples in 2 responses (currently the first 2 after the question) the same day. Hopefully, an educated person like you understands that Sandra Fluke and Obamacare forcing birth control coverage are EXAMPLES, not clichés.

            Maybe you actually thought liberals don't advocate that stuff, or you didn't think John would be able to answer, or you think ignoring what happened is the same as winning an argument. Whichever it is, based on comments you've posted since then, you're acting as if your question and John's responses don't exist.

          • legal eagle

            Lets deal with the facts not John’s theories…..Just because he gives ‘specific examples” doesn’t mean they are correct…
            1) The HHS mandate you are referring to requires health insurance companies to provide birth control to women who want birth control…The “government” is not paying for it…The health insurance premium is paying for it..
            2) John has no clue what he is talking about regarding mortgages….The government does not pay on defaulted mortgages…You’ll have to ask him what he’s talking about there cause I have no clue..
            3) Student loans being paid by the government? I have no idea what he is referring to…..

            Let me know where you disagree…

          • John Daly

            I never said that the government was paying for birth control (although that case could be made in the context of the taxpayer money that Planned Parenthood gets). I said that the government is MAKING institutions pay for people’s birth control.

            Read up on what I’m talking about for the other two:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_intervention_during_the_subprime_mortgage_crisis#United_States
            http://www.newsmax.com/US/obama-student-loan-forgiveness/2013/05/10/id/503865

          • legal eagle

            FNMA still exists in it’s current form because there is no consensus on how to replace it….FNMA is quite profitable now because of changes in regulations and greater oversight and I do not know the solution…FNMA is not government interference.. it’s a government quasi guarantee just as the Federal Reserve quasi guarantees the U.S. dollar….

          • legal eagle

            By the way.. How old are you?

          • John Daly

            40. You?

          • legal eagle

            62…..

          • John Daly

            Don’t worry… I won’t call you a ‘grumpy old man’.

          • Wil

            I’m betting John Daly’s parents left him a load of money.

          • John Daly

            My parents are neither dead nor rich, Miss Cleo.

          • Wil

            Wealthy wife?

          • John Daly

            Please. What I want to know is why you think I’m wealthy in the first place? You’re not the first lib-troll that has suggested it. Do I somehow leave the impression that I’m writing these columns from a mansion?

          • Wil

            Yes!

          • John Daly

            lol. Whatever imagery helps you validate yourself, Wil.

          • Wil

            No, I just keep wondering what you do for a living. Does Bernie pay you for your (I agree with Bernie) columns?

          • John Daly

            I’ll make you a deal, Wil. Tell me what you do for a living, and I’ll share with you all of my mysterious sources of income (which isn’t really a mystery if you’ve read my author profile at the bottom of any of my columns). How does that sound?

          • Jeff Webb

            So, according to you, Republican=rich and rich=immoral. On the second point, you’re a simpleton; on the first, you’re apparently pretending Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, George Soros, Peter Lewis, and the biggest power-players in Hollywood don’t exist (AND you’re a simpleton).

          • Wil

            Jeff, You called me a simpleton two times. That hurts.

          • John Daly

            Hey, you have some math skills after all! ;)

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Jeff, You called me a simpleton two times. That hurts.<<

            Then my pointing out that democrats are the real party of the rich must've been downright devastating.

          • I Hate Fascists

            right wing => rich and/or malevolent and/or ignorant. If you know the first thing about logic you would know that the preceding statement does not imply the reverse (rich => right wing). Ipso Facto you are the simpleton

          • John Daly

            Yeah, Totally logical. lol.

          • I Hate Fascists

            You were a programmer? You must have sucked at that too.

          • John Daly

            >> You were a programmer?

            Was and still am.

          • I Hate Fascists

            And a writer too. And you suck at both.

          • John Daly

            If I was four years old, and you were someone of importance, that might have hurt my feelings. lol.

          • I Hate Fascists

            You act like a 4 year old. And you are a person of great impotence as well.

          • I Hate Fascists

            Now go away or I will taunt you some more

          • legal eagle

            I would guess that John has grown up in a Conservative household and finds it comfortable to stay within that bubble….Nothing wrong with that….

          • John Daly

            Strike 2. My parents aren’t conservatives and aren’t Republicans. I grew up in very apolitical household, and was very apolitical myself until 2001. I wrote about this in this very column, which you would know if you had actually read it beyond the first paragraph.

            What’s the next prediction? That I’m Muslim?

    • Brian Fr Langley

      Winston Church Hill said much the same. A person of 20 who’s not socialist has no heart, a person of 30 who’s not a conservative has no brains.