Connecting the Dots — Part 2

Imagine that there are anti-poverty demonstrations all over the country.  Imagine that speakers get up at podiums and address big crowds, telling them that it’s morally wrong to have so many poor people in America; that poverty is unjust; that poverty must end in America.

Imagine that they march with signs to stamp out poverty. And imagine that they talk to news reporters who run their sound bites on the evening news:  “Poverty is un-American.  It must be wiped out.”

Imagine, too, that the demonstrators are peaceful.  They don’t throw rocks.  They don’t attack folks who disagree with them.

Now imagine that a poor man in, say, Cleveland, decides that he is tired of being poor.  So he goes into a 7-11, sticks a gun in the clerk’s face, shoots the clerk in the head and walks out with $75.

Now try to imagine one more thing:  that so-called mainstream news organizations play connect the dots.  They write stories about how the gunman in Cleveland and the anti-poverty movement “share core beliefs,” that both are against poverty.

There are stories in the Washington Post and Time magazine and New York magazine all pretty much saying the same thing:  the gunman in Cleveland told police he was tired of being poor, that he felt it a grave injustice that other Americans had money and that he didn’t.  And then, they all add one more observation:  the gunman in Cleveland was pretty much saying what all those anti-poverty movement people have been saying.

Forgive me for stating the obvious:  It would never happen.  Nor should it ever happen.  To connect those dots would amount to journalistic malpractice.  No honest reporter would ever do such a thing.  Unless …

Unless he was so biased and so detested the kind of people who went to those anti-poverty demonstrations – and was out to smear by innuendo the whole anti-poverty movement.

Unless you replace the words “anti-poverty movement” with “tea party movement.”

Unless you replace “Cleveland gunman” with “Austin pilot.”

From the Washington Post:  the pilot’s “alienation is similar to that we’re hearing from the extreme elements of the Tea Party movement.”

From New York magazine:  the pilot’s rhetoric “could have been taken directly from a handwritten sign at a tea party rally.”

From Time magazine:  a link, in bright red letters, right in the middle of the Austin plane crash story … taking the reader to another story – about tea parties.

All those things I just mentioned really happened, they all appeared in so-called mainstream publications, even though the kamikaze pilot never attended a tea party demonstration  in his life.   You think, just maybe, those reporters and their editors were out to smear by innuendo the Tea Party movement?

Connect the dots.

  • http://www.infowars.com PlanetPrisoner

    People…..
    After reading this entire string of comments, it seems to completely support that which I have known for many years now…. BOTH parties are reaching for the same agenda. TO KEEP ALL OF US AT EACH OTHERS THROATS WHILE THEY BOTH SUCK THE LIFE OUT OF US.

    Come on everyone get with the program. We are all generally saying the same thing. Our government is not much different from mainstream nitely snews. It needs to be taken out and begin anew!

    Look at the budget that the govt spends on itself. 6 digit salaries and benefits (for life). They work for us (if that is what you want to call it) a whopping 3-4 months out of the year. Few represent us, most feel they are above us.

    The US Govt. takes better care of the murderers on death row, than they do our seniors or our disabled or even our veterans. They call our veterans and patriots -terrorists (read / listen to this: http://tinyurl.com/yk83d2e ) They allow poison in our food and water and simply “manage” our illnesses instead of truly trying to cure them. There are currently 9 attorneys with our Justice Department that have legally and admittedly defended known terrorists against our country. There are documents proving international sex slave rings originating on our soil. Prescott Bush and JP Morgan assisted and funded HITLER. Planned Parenthood (Bill Gates’ father’s brainchild) is nothing more than forced abortion upon our inner city impoverished. Our industry has been shipped overseas …FOR GOOD.

    SUPPORT THE TROOPS, NOT THE WAR

  • Buzz Man

    WIL BURN,
    I CAN SEE YOUR POINT IF VIEW, BUT YOU HAVE OVERLOOKED A BUNCH OF ITEMS IN MY LITTLE STORY, WHERE IS THE HELP FOR THE ONES (MY DAUGHTER ) SHE WAS TURNED DOWN, WE WERE ALSO TOLD FOR HER TO DIVORCE HER HUSBAND, HELP WOULD BE ALMOST IMMEDIATE, THAT IS CRAP, THE UNIONS HAVE GIVEN THE UNSKILLED THE ABILITY TO INSTALL TAIL LIGHT ASSEMBLIES 35 BUCK AN HOUR AND WHEN BARRY GAVE THE UAW THE ABILITY TO STOCK SELL, THIS GAVE THE UNION THE ABILITY TO GET RETIREMENT THAT WAS ALREADY NEGOCIATED FOR, THAT WAS SUPPORTED BY HTE PROFIT OF EACH CAR COMPANY, ALL THE SMALL BUISNESSES HAD TO SETTLE FOR 11 TO 32 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR FOR THE HARD WORK THEY WERE DOING, I CALL THIS A FLAGRANT FOUL,
    HOMELESSNESS OWNING A HOME IS EARNED IT IS NOT A RITE, CRIME RATE GIVE EVERY THE ABILITY TO OWN A GUN AND SHOOT THE SOB THAT WALKS IN SOMEONE ELSES HOUSE, STEALS A CAR, RAPES SOME ONE AN IMMEDIATE PUNISHMENT AND GUESS WHAT ????
    AS FAR AS PROFITS, THAT IS WHY WE WORK, AND OWN AND SELL, THE PROBLEM THE MOST PROFITABLE ARE THE SAME BARRY GAVE THE BAIL OUT TO, THE SAME THAT GAVE THE POLITICIANS THE SPECIAL DEALS, THE SAME THAT TOOK MY 401K AND SUCKED IT DRY, AND THIS ADMINISTRATION PROMISED TO FIX IT, HE PLAYS IN IT AND ALWAYS HAS, I AM FROM THE NW INDIANA AREA AND CHICAGO POLITICS IS HIS GAME, YES HE IS GOOD AT IT. AND I AGAIN SAY FOUL, AND TO THE ONES THAT SUPPORTED THIS GARBAGE ARE TO BLAME, THE LARGEST SUPPORTERS, YEP UNIONS WHY??????
    LETS LOOK AT COMPANY MOVING, I AM GUESSING YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN SELF EMPLOYED, TAXED TO DEATH COMPANIES LARGE OR SMALL LOOK AT WAYS TO RELIEVE THIS, MOVING FROM STATE TO STATE COUNTRY TO COUNTRY IS EXPENSIVE, IF TAXES COST MORE THAN THE MOVE, BYE BYE, MY LITTLE COMPANY GROSSED 367000 DOLLARS 3 YEARS AGO, 250000 TO OPERATE IT, 86000 WAGES FOR 3 (TOTAL) TAXES STILL OWED, 56000 LOST TO BANCRUPTCIES OWED TO ME, AND THE BUDDIES OF BARRY ARE FORGIVEN THEIR PENALTIES, MINE ARE 13%, WHY?????
    ALL THIS AND MUCH MORE NEED TO BE ANSWERED, I STILL VOTE THAT THE WHOLE STINKING BUNCH BE LET GO, YOU ARE CORRECT THE UNIONS ARE NOT THE WHOLE PROBLEM, BUT YOU MUST AGREE THEY HAVE TURNED INTO WHAT THEY USED TO STAND AGAINST, LARGE CONGLOMERATS THAT HAVE BECOME CUMBERSOM AND SPEND TO MUCH IN THE STREETS OF DC, CHICAGO, NY, LA, HOUSTON ETC… TO BUY WHAT THEY WANT FROM A LOUSY GOV THAT SELLS IT SOUL TO THE LARGEST DOLLAR, FOR A JOB POORLY DONE PAYING SOME ONE ALOT MORE THAN THEY ARE WORTH, CAPOTLISM DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE THING TO DO WITH IT, GREED AND THE ABILITY TO BUY FAVOR DOES,

    LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR RESPONSE

  • Buzz Man

    Wil Burn,
    I was born into a union believing family as you, leaned that way, moved up in the teamsters, thought it was fine until one day a vice pres 1 of 117 at the time, told me to get along I would have to play along, BYE BYE, On my own small biz., a decent living, OOPS clinton, profits slowing, under the 250,000 area for heavy taxes, layed off 2, everything got good for the unions, uh oh, bush, taxes, war, insurance up, then Obama, or better known as Barry Soreto, an Indonesian foriegn exchange student in Occidental college in L.A. Ca, grant money from usa as an Indonesian foriegn exchange student, my daughter gets cancer, large medical firm, GOV MONEY, fires her for inability to do her job, Barry say’s he can not help, but on tv he promises help, sell everything , Barry bails out GM, AIG, Chrysler, Fannie, Freddie, BOA, etc, my little girl is alive, my biz gone, I still owe taxes, Barry won’t forgive me , but he does Gietner, Dodds, Franks, Daschal, and so on, I hope for the sake of small biz folks, the unions you are so proud of fail and miserably so, you have reaped the benefits of my labor not because you are worker, because you are a union member, I for will buy non union stuff as much as possible to help that cause, Barry and his union budies screwd my family for their benefit, and lied about it, the unions have a place, but they belong in life unless invited, and they were asked out years ago, why should any one take from me because Barry is their buddy is beyond anything I can imagine, The whole bunch in DC need to go, This administration sucks, his staff get away with what I am not allowed, they are not better than I, I pay the wages and I say they are fired, and good ridens to em

    • http://www.bartcop.com/ Wil Burns

      Buzz, try to remember that it was organized labor that gave the USA a broad based middle class, and a decent standard of living, of which you are a beneficiary.

      The social contract in this country after WWII gave rise to the greatest era of prosperity the US has ever known. But capitalism seeks profits, so the factories were moved. First to the south, then latin America, Taiwan, Singapore, India, and China.

      This is good for the investing class, myself included. But it is a long term disaster in the making for the working class and the country at large. Look at homelessness, poverty, crime rates. I’d rather see people with good jobs and health care than the WatMart-ization of the work force.

      Think about it before you blame the workers. This is the oldest trick in the book for capitalists. GM’s problems are due to lousy designs, poor management, focus on the wrong market segments. That’s why the Japanese now dominate our auto markets. Blaming unions for trying to make life better for workers is just plain wrong. And unAmerican.

      • Stephen Shields Springfield, IL

        Umm correction Wil, it is because the UAW felt the need to give people with no more than a high school education a job that pays $70 an hour. That is why GM and Chrysler are in trouble. The UAW and SEIU are incredibly corrupt and are destroying commerce in America.

  • David H.

    Back in my day when negros, nips and kruts were not p/c and I was playing baseball, we had a term called rabbit ears. It was when you responded to the other teams bench jocking by responding with your own stupidity. In this day the p/c rabbit ears is called Pres. Obama.

  • http://none Bruce A.

    One cable channel(Fox I believe)reported that the Austin pilot had a 30 year record of protesting taxes. Should this be true, Internal Revenue would have him on file as a tax protester. 30 years of protesting taxes, that would be before the explosion in the popularity of talk radio which I believe started to take off in the mid to late 1980-’s

  • Thomas Pope

    Mr Goldberg, If one reads and understands “Cloward/Piven” all is spelled out what is going on!!!!! Also, Saul Alinsky is his primer with which he follows!!!!! Must one be blind not to realize that President Obama is fundementally changing our great country?????

  • http://chuck@getawaytoday.com chuck

    The Lame Stream Media has is right again…and I have it on good authority that Rush Limbaugh loaned the kamakazi the airplane. You’ve gotta’ love O’bummer’s news team.

  • George P. Burdell

    ABC is now among those working hard to portray constitutional fundamentalists as violent radicals. The teaser for the article linked below is “Expert: Online Cheers for Joe Stack Reflect Growing Anti-Government Movement”

    http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/patriot-movement-calling-joe-stack-hero/story?id=9889443

  • http://www.bartcop.com/ Wil Burns

    Bernie, Something to think about…

    A day in the life of Joe Republican

    http://www.syrculturalworkers.com/...

    Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards.

    With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.

    All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer’s medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance – now Joe gets it too.

    He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.
    In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

    Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

    He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

    Joe begins his workday. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards.

    Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn’t think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

    It’s noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

    Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.

    Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards.

    He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers’ Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans. The house didn’t have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification.

    He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to.
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    Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn’t mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: “We don’t need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I’m a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.”

    Something to think about… or quickly delete!

    • Stephen Shields Springfield, IL

      Thanks for the anecdote Wil. I needed a good laugh to get me through the late afternoon.

      • Jack Davis

        Politicians need to be subject to term limits and Wil needs to be subject to word limits.

        • The Patriot

          Jack, I have no doubt that Mr. Burns gets paid by the word.

    • EddieD_Boston

      He has a job because of republicans.

      • stmichrick

        And not in a gulag or headless because of republicans.

      • http://www.bartcop.com/ Wil Burns

        Ed, The only reason for a Republican Party, is to cut the taxes of the very wealthy. Everything else, is window dressing!

        • http://www.theanticrat.com Xian Do

          ADDENDUM:

          Wil “the troll” Burns makes a cut-and-paste of something he saw that was written by somebody else over a decade ago…and posts it on a website as if claiming it as his own…without bothering to realize that half of the programs he referenced (FDA, Social Security, EPA Standards, etc) were, in fact, founded by The Republican Party…not by the Democrats.

          Even sadder, Wil the troll fails to realize that every one of these so-called Liberal programs that he touts with all his pomposity were developed by either Republican or Democrat, Conservative or Liberal politicians…which means that ABSOLUTELY NONE of these programs were developed by Progressive Leftists: the political ideology that Wil the troll advocates.

          But, thanks to the virtues of freedom, maturity, and compassion…three of the moral cornerstones which make America so great…we patiently allow Wil the troll to ignorantly claim that these programs are solely the results of his ideological views and are all-wise and superior to the views of everybody else.

          Now go away, Wil….grownups are talking here.
          You yutz.

          • http://www.theanticrat.com Xian Do

            Pre-emptive second ADDENDUM:

            I’m sure Wil the troll will proclaim that Liberals, Democrats, and Progressive Leftists are one & the same….then probably make some oh-so-mature comment questioning my intellect.

            “Liberals” stand for freedom….or, at least, they used to.

            “Democrats” stand for Democracy….or, at least, they used to.

            “Progressive Leftists” is the new euphemism for “Socialist/Communists”…something that neither Liberals nor Democrats would ever stand for had the Progressive Leftists not co-opted those terms to cloak their true Leftist Socialist agenda….
            …and employed “Useful Idiots” like Wil the troll to promote their agenda.

            Something to think about, Wil Burns….oh wait. What am I saying? Wil the troll…thinking?
            That would be a first!

          • http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586627,00.html OmEgA

            Historically speaking, both the Democrat & Republican parties have had streaks of liberalism, so it’s not so much a political term that equates with progressivism but an ideology in itself.

            Wil doesn’t seem to be claiming that these are liberal institutions, but seems to be crediting classic liberal thought for making these reforms possible. By definition, this is not inaccurate- liberalism has attempted to act as a check against consolidated power since the days of John Locke.

          • Stephen Shields Springfield, IL

            Just to clarify. Social Security was the brain child of the Keynesian economists that FDR had in his cabinet. It was a way to raise money without the people knowing the government was taking it. I’m not agreeing with it, but it was absolutely brilliant. I think social security should be done away with out completely overhauled. As a 22 year old, I will never see a dime of the social security taken from my check every pay period.

          • http://www.bartcop.com/ Wil Burns

            Xian do. I guess you didn’t see the http://www.syrculturalworkers.com/... I posted. Typical republican response! BTW, All the programs posted are liberal programs, that were fought vigorously against, by the republican party. Learn your history, it’s important!

          • Stephen Shields Springfield, IL

            Get in touch with reality. It’s even more important.

          • http://www.theanticrat.com Xian Do

            Wil,
            I noticed your link.
            I just didn’t bother to ‘click’ on it.
            You are a troll…a pathetic, childish, emotionally stunted troll who apparently can find no worthwhile purpose in life except to constantly leave hate-filled immature comments on Bernard Goldberg’s web page.

            You don’t bring a mature, informed perspective…and you never, ever provide civil dissent.
            You just get your ‘jollies’ biting at the heels of more intelligent, more respectful commentators on this site…or by blatantly insulting Mr. Goldberg simply because you feel that he’s a traitor to your Leftist crusade because of the books he wrote.

            Perhaps your links really do provide a worthwhile educative perspective….but it would be a first for you to provide something worthwhile here.
            Propaganda from DailyKos or Media Matters never counts…much less the unsubstantiated rantings of Leftist hate-mongers bloggers, whom you cite as credible references.

            Maybe your link is indeed as valuable as you claim.
            But, like the Boy Who Cried Wolf, I won’t bother checking anymore.

            Now please get a life, you sad excuse of a human being.
            Find something to do that is more productive than being an internet troll.

          • http://www.bartcop.com/ Wil Burns

            Xian Do, Rather then call me names, take a moment to think about how to find solutions, that work for our country.

            Regards, Wil

          • Stephen Shields Springfield, IL

            Solution number one. Send Wil Burns, and everyone like him, out of the country. There, no more whiny liberal know-nothings. Problem Solved

        • Stephen Shields Springfield, IL

          In your words, graze peacefully. As a matter of fact graze yourself into bloat.

  • Lev

    Mr.Goldberg. I agree with you 100%, but would like to add, that it is a shot that attempts to kill two rabbits with one bullet. If you agree that the pilot was influenced (if not received direct order) by the tea party movement you agree that the tea party movement is a terrorist movement. But is you disagree with that you have to agree that the global Islamic jihad movement also cannot be blamed for actions of those lone psychopath Muslims, that killed our soldiers or tried to bring down the civilian plane. Which implies that the global Islamic jihad movement is not a terrorist movement (if exists at all), but rather expression of a legitimate concern over USA politics. Which, in turn, implies that we should stop blaming Muslims for all atrocities in the World, but instead we should focus on understanding America guilt and trying to improve our relationship with them.
    Just twist a logic a little bit and you have it all.

    • Craig

      The problem Lev is that the pilot as far we know never attended a Tea Party meeting, in his writings never claimed any Tea Party allegiance, and these same writings appear to be all over the political spectrum. The same cannot be said about Atta, Hassan, et.al. They did attend meetings and believed in a philosophy not original to them. Their actions were met with the approval of millions. I am not a Tea Party member nor a Muslim.

      • Lev

        Sorry Craig, you grossly misunderstood me. So I have to make the record straight. I never said that the Tea Party movement is a terrorist movement. Quite opposite. I started with statement that I agree with Mr.Goldberg 100%.
        All that I wanted was to point out to the addition danger of the mainstream media attempts to link the pilot action with the Tea Party movement. They not only put the shadow on the Tea Party movement, they also try to clean up the Global Islamic Jihad movement.

        By the way, it does not really matter if the pilot attended Tea Party meetings or not or even if he embraced the Tea Party movement ideas or not.
        What is matter is that the Tea Party movement did not declare a war against USA and did not preach violence, while Global Islamic Jihad did. And this is a game changer.

  • http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586627,00.html OmEgA

    Great analogy, Mr. G!

    Attached is the Fox News link to the pilot’s manifesto.

    Washington Post is actually proving the Pilot’s point- in the Pilot’s own words: “no taxation without representation” … “These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.” [sic] *note: “principle”*

    What the Washington Post insinuates is, rejection of taxes is now exclusively an issue of the Tea Party Movement, which is to be used as the basis of all comparison for reasons left unstated. Furthermore, specific reference to the “extreme” elements is a cruel attempt to radicalize the entire concept of tax protest.

    Remember, they aren’t characterizing the pilot’s behavior as “extreme”, but comparing it to the “extreme elements of the Tea Party Movement.” I’m sure WaPo could find something better to do with their time than inventing petty parallels.

    Thank You for giving me the opportunity to comment on this “smear by innuendo” as I see it, and again for highlighting this gross distortion of reality.

  • Jana, St. Louis

    Wil, how do you figure the Right’s influence is “so wide and so deep?” The mainstream media is controlled by Liberals in this country. Liberals infest college faculties, like flies at a July picnic. Textbooks are written from a liberal point of view. The government subsidizes PBS, the very left-leaning public broadcasting system. ACORN gets government funds to register Mickey Mouse and other Democratic voters. I don’t see any wide and deep right-wing influence in this country. You’re just pissed off because Conservatives finally have a voice, thanks to Fox News and conservative talk radio. And you’re pissed off because ordinary Americans got up off their couches to protest a big left-wing agenda. Get used to it, buddy. The MSM can’t control the message anymore. And the tea partiers aren’t going away anytime soon.

    • EddieD_Boston

      Yes, liberals really don’t get it.

  • http://www.bartcop.com/ Wil Burns

    Bernie, Could the “dots’ also be, the Right’s influence is so wide and so deep that it can front for wealthy special interests under the guise of “populism” and persuade many Americans that their real enemy is not Big Corporations, but Big Government.

    Guided by Fox News and other well-financed parts of the right-wing media, the Tea Partiers apparently believe they are engaged in a movement to free the Republic from the tyranny of the federal government, when they’re actually helping consolidate the power of corporations against the only force that can possibly check corporate domination, a democratized federal government.

    • Jana, St. Louis

      Wil thinks the tea partiers are too stupid to really understand the issues, and are therefore easily brainwashed by “evil” corporations. Typical liberal thinking – if you don’t agree with me, you must be stupid. More liberal thinking – big corporations are evil, but giving the government more and more control over our lives, and more money from our pockets, is the smart thing to do, right?

      Wil, as for your suggestion to Ted K that Fox teaches people to hate paying taxes and hate the government, get over it, buddy. We don’t hate paying our taxes. We hate seeing our tax money wasted. There’s a difference. And we don’t hate our government. We hate greed, corruption and inefficiency in government. There’s a difference.

      BTW, why are you reading Bernie Goldberg’s website? If we tea partiers are so incredibly stupid, why bother listening to what we have to say? Isn’t it a waste of your great intellect to log on to a conservative website?

      • http://www.bartcop.com/ Wil Burns

        Jana, Beck’s lengthy opening monologue on Friday Teabagger rant was his usual attack on progressives with the spotlight of the day focusing on retirement. First, he railed against pensions. Then he started to lay out his argument that we’d all be better off without Social Security and Medicare, too, because the country can’t afford it and it’s better for everyone if we toughen up, have the elderly cared for by the young and trust our fellow citizens to help out. Of course, while Beck was extolling the virtues of everyone else’s sacrifices, he never mentioned a word about making any sacrifices of his own.

        Graze peacefully.

        • http://justanotherbagofhotair.blogspot.com Dan

          Wil,

          What does that response have to do with Jana’s post? It is a non sequitur. It has no relevance to what Jana said.

          Kindly respond to the subject of her post. IF you can do so without resorting to leftist talking points and continued nonsensical retorts.

        • Jana, St. Louis

          Wil, Glenn Beck does not represent all conservatives. And you still didn’t answer my questions – where’s all this deep and wide-spread conservative influence? What’s fundamentally wrong with corporations, or is profit a bad word to Socialists?

          • http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586627,00.html OmEgA

            Well, he never used the word “conservative” in his post.

            The “widespread influence of the right” speaks to the unequal amount of control that mega-corporations have in decision making, particularly at the Federal level. A fundamental problem of corporations CAN BE the profit motive, which is often contrary to populists interests.

            I disagree with your dichotomy in the first post: big government interests & big business interests often coincide, & perhaps they’ve blended too much to serve the American people well.

            Dan: Wil’s comment seemed to be in response to paragraph #2 of Jana’s post & I didn’t find it to be non-sequitor. The subject of the post was teeming with strawman arguments & rhetorical questions to begin with.

          • Jana, St. Louis

            Omega, you’re right – big government and big business interests often coincide and don’t always serve the American people well. Mega-corporations do influence decision making in Washington, often to the detriment of the public. Good point.

          • http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586627,00.html OmEgA

            I really have trouble seperating the two sides at this point.

            The profit motive is an institutional necessity in capitalist societies & is certainly not a bad thing in my estimation- it IS this inherent focus on sustaining cash flow that writes my check every week & keeps industry from grinding to a hault.

            However, USA is NOT a true capitalist society, the markets are NOT free by any stretch of the imagination. Corporate domination doesn’t allow it to be a free market, & government allows this.

            For more on this, I’d suggest the genre of Economics & reading the brilliant theories of Keynes, Rothbard, Von Mises (or any of them) who intimately postulate on the symbiotic relationship between the two.

            Actually, Alan Greenspan wrote some interesting papers about this before becoming the chairman of the Federal Reserve, but the concerns of that institution trumped his abstract interest & forced him to advocate the concerns of the Fed as a business.

      • http://www.bartcop.com/ Wil Burns

        Jana, Where were you ‘teabaggers’ when Bush started an unprovoked war, doubled the national debt, spied on the American people, let New Orleans drown and turned the United States into a nation of torturers. You people never got mad until a black man became president!

        • Stephen Shields Springfield, IL

          Yup, its because he’s black. That damned Imancipation Proclomation. What the hell was the country thinking letting all those slaves be free? Seriously? There was plenty of uproar over Bush. Just because you are to obsessed with him to understand that doesn’t mean it wasn’t there. Get informed, Wil, get informed!

        • EddieD_Boston

          “never got mad until a black man became president became president”? This closes the case Wil, you are mentally incapable.

          • EddieD_Boston

            Oooops. Don’t know how the double became president got in there. Must be the copy/paste function in the iPhone 3Gs.

        • stmichrick

          Wil;

          You’re right.

          We ‘teabaggers’ were not as aroused when Bush only ran up the debt a quarter as much as Obama, was eavesdropping on overseas phone calls with terrorists, was waiting for the incompetent Louisiana state and local Democrat politicians to let the feds come in to help and write Katrina checks AND used U.S. special forces training methods to get fresh information from jihadis.

          We just got really mad that the first black president had to be an inexperienced, fashionably radical, teleprompter dependent leftist!

          • http://www.bartcop.com/ Wil Burns

            ST, You Republican revisionists just keep repeating your lies!

            Graze peacefully.

        • Jana, St. Louis

          Wil, I’m an ex-Democrat. I didn’t vote for George Bush, or his father. I voted for Bill Clinton twice. My views changed because the Democratic Party is going overboard on it’s big-government agenda. My father was a union member his entire working life. The Democratic Party he belonged to wanted a fair shake for the working man. The Democratic Party of today wants cradle-to-grave socialism, including free college educations for students. I’d love to get a bunch of free stuff, but eventually we’re going to run out of money (oh, I think we already have.)

          As far as “you people never got mad until a black man became president!” Please, please, please DO keep calling people who oppose the Obama administration racists. In terms of strategy, that’s a brilliant move on the part of left-wingers. I know when I want to engage someone in a meaningful conversation and hopefully bring them over to my point of view, or at least give them something to think about, I always start out by questioning their motivations and their morality.

          “If you don’t like Obama, you must be a racist” is a growing theme in your party these days. It was a theme the Obama campaign used to destroy Hillary Clinton, and it worked very well – for a while.

          Somehow I just don’t think it’s going to work as well in 2010 as it did in 2008.

          • http://www.bartcop.com/ Wil Burns

            Jana, You are a ex-democrat because…? You say, the Democratic Party of today wants cradle-to-grave socialism? Who is telling you that nonsense? Stop listening to Fox news and right wing radio, those people are scrambling your brain!

          • Jana, St. Louis

            Wil, Should I listen to the MSBS channel instead? Or how about the New York Obama Times? Maybe I should tune into the ladies on The View of Obama? Maybe tune into NBC and watch Brian Williams bow to Obama? Or Christina Mathews and his big man-crush on the President? No, thanks. I’ll leave the lame-stream media to the Kool-aid drinkers like you. I’m happy at Fox.

            BTW, I’m signing off for the day. It’s almost three here in St. Louis, and I skipped lunch. I’m going out for a triple cheeseburger, fries and a large orange drink – before Michelle puts us all on a mandatory diet. Or Barack institutes a fat tax.

            Have a lovely day.

    • Stephen Shields Springfield, IL

      You only dislike capitalism because you don’t understand it. It takes hard work, and you’d rather have a hand out.

      • http://www.bartcop.com/ Wil Burns

        The Conservative philosophy that has been spoon fed to you people by Rush Limbaugh and his imitators is that the purpose of the capitalism is to make a handful of people filthy rich.

        • Stephen Shields Springfield, IL

          Well Wil, since I have never listened to Rush Limbaugh, I will have to go ahead and put you in your place. My beliefs of capitalism come from Adam Smith’s The Wealth of Nations. You know, the father of economics, the guy who invented capitalism. Again, you only dislike capitalism because you don’t understand it. Get informed, Wil, get informed.

        • EddieD_Boston

          Evil corporations pay a 35% tax and then the profits (dividends) are taxed at individual tax rates. You don’t get it Wil and that’s why you’re a liberal. Libtards are know-nothings. Smug know-nothings.

          • http://www.bartcop.com/ Wil Burns

            EddieD, Did you know that many corporation pay no federal tax at all and some even get back money from the federal coffers. No you didn’t, because people you listen too, will not tell you!

          • Stephen Shields Springfield, IL

            That’s absolutely not true. All corporations pay federal taxes. Infact, corporations pay monthly taxes. They are called Tax, Title, and License (TT&L). What corporations get tax returns? I’d like a list from the IRS posted on here.

        • Jana, St. Louis

          Wil, I used to think exactly the same way you think. I know where you’re coming from. You grow up listening to liberal ideas, and you don’t even realize you’re being indoctrinated into a worldview. It happens on the conservative side, too. I know Republicans, like a friend of mine, who believes all Democrats want to live on welfare and let other people support them. As someone who grew up in a family of Democrats who worked very, very hard, I deeply resented that kind of thinking.

          Too many people on both sides of the political spectrum have closed their minds. They believe what they want to believe, and shut out any information that contradicts their worldview.

          You assert that conservatives allow themselves to be “spoon-fed” by Rush Limbaugh and his “imitators.” Don’t you do exactly the same thing? You’re clearly so entrenched in your liberal worldview that you ascribe all the ills in the world to conservatives and Republicans. You weren’t born thinking that way. Someone taught you, and you obviously listened.

          Isn’t it just possible that neither the right nor the left is as pure as the driven snow?

          I woke up to the failures and weaknesses of the liberal worldview in which I was raised, but that doesn’t mean I think Conservatives and Republicans are right on every issue. They’re wrong on some issues, and they’ve been hypocritical on some issues. (I know tons of Republicans who whine about Social Security and Medicare, but not one single Republican who’s willling to give up his own Social Security and Medicare).

          Listen to both sides, Wil. If you don’t, you’re cheating yourself.

  • Jana, St. Louis

    Does anyone remember exactly when the stuff about Reverend Wright came out? It was AFTER the videos of his antics started playing on the Internet. Even Fox wouldn’t touch the story before that because they knew they’d be crucified by the liberal media. AFTER Reverend Wright was all over the web, ABC finally came with a story and then the rest of the MSM reluctantly followed. Then when Barack Obama, a man who spent 20 years in a racist, anti-Semitic church, a man who called his own grandmother a “typical white woman,” had the audacity to lecture the country on the topic of racism, the MSM applauded him as if he had delivered the Gettysburg address!

    My point is, if there hadn’t been a Web, no one except a few people in Chicago would ever know that Jeremiah Wright exists or that Barack Obama chose to raise his daughters in a church that preaches hatred against white people and the government of the United States.

    The Internet is going to be end of the mainstream media. They can’t control the message anymore, and that’s why they’re hacked off, frankly. You’ve got people like the ACORN fake-pimp out there making videos that show the corruption in Acorn, and the idiots at the NY Obama Times ignore the story. No wonder they’re going broke.

    We should all thank Al Gore for inventing the Internet!!!!!

    • http://www.bartcop.com/ Wil Burns

      All the things you have in your post has been spoon fed to you, with bias, from people who have an interest in spreading an agenda that is an anathema to the people. And remember the Republicans controlled Congress beginning in January 1995 up until January 2007. They controlled the Presidency for 6 of those years.

      • Stephen Shields Springfield, IL

        Everything you type on here is spoon fed to you by the biased lame-stream media, and your god, Barrack Obama.

  • http://www.bartcop.com/ Wil Burns

    Ted K, All you have to do is only watch Fox news with Beck, Hannity and O’Reilly for your information. Oh, and also listen to right wing radio with Limbaugh and Limbaugh types. They will teach you how to hate paying taxes and all about hating your government. And please, please do not learn how to pilot a airplane!

    • Stephen Shields Springfield, IL

      Where do you come up with these opinions? You have to be on some sort of hallucinogen to actually believe that garbage you put on this website.

  • Jana, St. Louis

    Steve Kroft: You don’t believe that Senator Obama is a Muslim?
    Hillary Clinton: Of course not . . .
    Kroft: And you said you’d take Senator Obama at his word that he’s not a Muslim?
    Clinton: Right.
    Kroft: You don’t believe that he’s a Muslim?
    Clinton: No. No. Why would I?
    Kroft: – or implying, right?

    It’s necessary to ask the woman THREE TIMES whether or not she believed Barack Obama was a Muslim? And then to subtlely suggest that she might be “implying” something?

    This is a clear example of a national correspondent using the power of the microphone to advance his own agenda. Mr. Kroft wanted to indicate to his audience that he didn’t believe Mrs. Clinton. That’s why he kept asking the question. He might as well have turned, faced the camera, and said, “She’s lying through her teeth, folks.”

    Steve Kroft underestimates the intelligence of his viewers. 60 Minutes is now among the many mainstream news programs I’ve stopped watching.

  • Anonymous

    Barack Obama, smirking, at the White House correspondents dinner: “Some of you have covered me. ALL of you voted for me.” Nervous laughter in response. Don’t these in-the-tank reporters have sense enough to realize that while they protect and promote Barack Obama, he is laughing at them? He reminds me of this guy I had a crush on in high school. He flirted with me outrageously, conned me into writing book reports for his Lit class, and I won’t even admit what else he got me to do. Then I found out he was laughing at me with his friends in the popular crowd. I was way too stupid to realize what he was doing, but then, I was seventeen years old. How old are these reporters?

  • Nancy

    Bernie–
    Shameful in a word. One more thing–imagine the outrage if the University of Alabama shooter who was, according to the Boston Herald, a “far-left, Obama-obsessed activist” was somehow held up by say, Fox news, to represent the left wing so called “hope and change” movement? Only difference of course is that there is in the latter case evidence of affiliation, none with the Austin pilot and Tea party movement.

  • Jana, St. Louis

    I grew up in a working-class Democratic family. Growing up, I watched Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather. I read my home-town newspaper, the Post-Dispatch, a Democratic-leaning paper. I didn’t understand it when people accused the media of left-wing bias. Why? Because I was kind of apolitical, and because I believed all the crap that the Democratic Party tells people – Republicans hate women, Republicans are for the rich people, Republicans are racists, etc. I didn’t see the bias in the media because my worldview was pretty much the same as the Liberals.

    Then came the 2008 election, and I saw the “Party of the Common Man” trash not one, but two women, seeking higher office. Their attacks on Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin were pretty much the same – viscious and personal. I figured out the Party of the Common Man didn’t have much use for women. That’s when I decided I didn’t have much use for the Democratic Party. That’s also when I started taking a critical look at the news media.

    My God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was I blind for so many years? I saw the mainstream media buy into the Obama campaign’s insinuation that the Clintons were racist, and I knew that was bull. Yeah, these were the people who tried to drive off with half the valuables from the White House stashed in their car when they left office, but they were NOT racists.

    I have a feeling that 2008 was a turning point for the main-stream media. Their bias was so over-the-top, so brazen and unapologetic, that even relatively uninterested people like myself took note. I think in 20 years, we’ll all look back and mark 2008 as the year the main-stream media cut its own throat.

    It’s all downhill from now on.

    • Rich

      This could have been written by me, except I was a Reagan democrat. In 2008 I was for Hillary and she was so completely dissected and savaged by the MSM I went to Fox News to see what they were saying. Lo and behold, they were giving a “fair and balanced” view of Clinton.
      I too believed that Republicans were racist, misogynistic, fat cats. Now my eyes have been opened and there is no going back.

      Anyone who believes Democrat lies has only themselves to blame. I think the conservative movement, outside of any political party, is the best thing that has come along. The GOP is NOT going to find conservatives blindly following them. Democrats and the MSM know it is all out war and they are going to do anything in their power to demonize the Tea Party and conservatives. Linking the Austin man to the Tea Party is just the beginning.

      • Jana, St. Louis

        Rich, I think there are lots of people out there just like you and me. In fact, I know there are. I know more than a few people who were furious with the media for the way they treated Hillary Clinton – including my 76 year old mother and her best friend/neighbor. I’m not Mrs. Clinton’s biggest fan, but I will never forget how badly she was treated. The media deliberately decided to trash her character so that they could help elect Barack Obama. So they helped Barack Obama, and hurt themselves in the process. And they call the tea partiers dumb?

      • Ron Kean

        Many of us switched from the left to the right. Some notables went the other way like Charles Johnson at LGF who has seemed to abandon the brightest on the right.

        We see the unfairness of the left. Hopefully more people will realize what’s happening and will vote conservative in November. Hopefully, a new majority will bring new committee chairmen. Then hopefully again we can expose and prosecute:
        1. Black Panthers
        2. Extreme Islamic infiltration in the military as well as the executive branch.
        3. Who led the selling on September 18th, 19th, and on.
        4. Acorn SEIU
        I’m also disturbed by the mirror reaction some on the right are taking to the name calling of the left. Somebody was cheered for losing his temper at CPAC and calling bad guys names back. It’s crude even if it’s not unwarrented.

        • http://www.bartcop.com/ Wil Burns

          Remember…

          1. Black Panthers
          2. Extreme Islamic infiltration in the military as well as the executive branch.
          3. Who led the selling on September 18th, 19th, and on.
          4. Acorn SEIU

          Control nothing in America!

          • Stephen Shields Springfield, IL

            ACORN and SEIU share some of the blame with the recession. I know you will find this hard to believe, but your precious little unions and criminally active organizations aren’t as innocentas you’d like to think they are. Oh, and George W Bush didn’t cause anything by himself. It started with the Clinton administration and nothing has changed since. I know in your distorted liberal reality its hard to comprehend the truth, but once in a while you are just going to have to lay off the old peace pipe and get informed. Stop reading moveon.org and the huffington post. I’ll be eagerly awaiting your name calling rant in which I’m referred to as a tea bagger, or I’m told I only listen to Rush Limbaugh, those like him, or Fox News. Your just as uninformed as the rest of the people on the left. Isn’t there some sort of minority group you need to be picketing for?

    • http://justanotherbagofhotair.blogspot.com Dan

      Jana, I worked for three small-market television stations during the 1980s. I watched with FAA employees as Reagan essentially fired all of them in the name of aviation safety. I watched the pundits complain about Reagan’s actions, and later watched as PATCO was decertified as a union, blowing up my pre-conceived notions. I watched for ten years as the media devolved into “spinning” stories for the benefit of ratings. That’s why I got out, and since then I have been critical of the “media” as paid mouthpieces for whatever cause they chose to support, most of them leftist. I watched as the media tried to destroy President Bush, whom – although I disagreed with most of what he did – I don’t believe deserved the level of vitriol and hatred spewed his way. Now I see what the media is doing to push the agenda of the current resident of the White House, and I am disgusted. We are no more than two steps away from a socialist nation, but what the MSM doesn’t understand is that it’s usually the collaborators that are the first to be taken out back and shot – because if they’ll do it to the conquered, they’ll do it to the conquerors, too.

  • Ted K

    The staff of the Washington Post, the New York magazine, and the Time magazine must have attended Pravda’s grad school of journalism.

    I was taught in journalism 101 to read several newspapers, etc. in order to get the full spectrim of the news. Isn’t it great these days that all I have to do is read any one of the above to get misinformed?