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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think no, to be fair, that AOQ is not trolling for attention but rather calling attention to the irony of the quoted passage. Let&#039;s be honest here: FOX is just as guilty of bias as the NYT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think no, to be fair, that AOQ is not trolling for attention but rather calling attention to the irony of the quoted passage. Let&#8217;s be honest here: FOX is just as guilty of bias as the NYT.</p>
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		<title>By: James Cain</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to strart adding to the menu &quot;Radical bias&quot;  There are far too many very dangerous folks in the spotlight who are trying to pass themselves off as Liberals. 
For example, does anyone think Van Jones is a Liberal? The only thing about him that would be liberal,  would be the liberal use of drastic methods to radicalize America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to strart adding to the menu &#8220;Radical bias&#8221;  There are far too many very dangerous folks in the spotlight who are trying to pass themselves off as Liberals.<br />
For example, does anyone think Van Jones is a Liberal? The only thing about him that would be liberal,  would be the liberal use of drastic methods to radicalize America.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Ferreira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Ferreira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Professor G:Since class is still in session! A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds,adored by little statesman and philosophers and divines.With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do.He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day---&#039;Ah,so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.&#039;---Is it so bad,then,to be misunderstood.&#039; Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood. Ralph Waldo Emerson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Professor G:Since class is still in session! A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds,adored by little statesman and philosophers and divines.With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do.He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day&#8212;&#8217;Ah,so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.&#8217;&#8212;Is it so bad,then,to be misunderstood.&#8217; Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood. Ralph Waldo Emerson</p>
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		<title>By: Wil Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wil Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- In Oregon and Nevada, Lincoln Strategies — then known as Sproul and Associates — was investigated for destroying Democratic voter registration forms. The Bush-Cheney 2004 presidential campaign paid Sproul $7.4 million for campaign work. [CNN, 10/14/04; KGW News, 10/13/04; East Valley Tribune, 09/07/06]

- In Nevada, people who registered as Democrats with Lincoln Strategies — then known as Sproul and Associates — found their names absent from the voter registration rolls. [Reno Gazette-Journal, 10/29/04]

- During the 2006 midterm elections, Wal-Mart banned Lincoln Strategies for partisan voter registration efforts in Tennessee. The Republican National Committee had hired the firm. [Associated Press, 08/24/06]

- In Arizona, Lincoln Strategies employed a variety of deceptive tactics — including systematically lying about the bill — to push a ballot initiative to eviscerate the state’s clean elections law. [Salon, 10/21/04]

- Lincoln Strategies, then employed by the Republican Party, was behind efforts to place Ralph Nader on the ballot in states such as Arizona. [American Prospect, 06/25/04]

Even former Rep. Chris Cannon (R-UT), during a hearing on voter fraud, admitted that “the difference between ACORN and Sproul is that ACORN doesn’t throw away or change registration documents after they have been filled out.”

http://climateprogress.org/2009/08/09/clean-coal-lobbying-fraud/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- In Oregon and Nevada, Lincoln Strategies — then known as Sproul and Associates — was investigated for destroying Democratic voter registration forms. The Bush-Cheney 2004 presidential campaign paid Sproul $7.4 million for campaign work. [CNN, 10/14/04; KGW News, 10/13/04; East Valley Tribune, 09/07/06]</p>
<p>- In Nevada, people who registered as Democrats with Lincoln Strategies — then known as Sproul and Associates — found their names absent from the voter registration rolls. [Reno Gazette-Journal, 10/29/04]</p>
<p>- During the 2006 midterm elections, Wal-Mart banned Lincoln Strategies for partisan voter registration efforts in Tennessee. The Republican National Committee had hired the firm. [Associated Press, 08/24/06]</p>
<p>- In Arizona, Lincoln Strategies employed a variety of deceptive tactics — including systematically lying about the bill — to push a ballot initiative to eviscerate the state’s clean elections law. [Salon, 10/21/04]</p>
<p>- Lincoln Strategies, then employed by the Republican Party, was behind efforts to place Ralph Nader on the ballot in states such as Arizona. [American Prospect, 06/25/04]</p>
<p>Even former Rep. Chris Cannon (R-UT), during a hearing on voter fraud, admitted that “the difference between ACORN and Sproul is that ACORN doesn’t throw away or change registration documents after they have been filled out.”</p>
<p><a href="http://climateprogress.org/2009/08/09/clean-coal-lobbying-fraud/" rel="nofollow">http://climateprogress.org/2009/08/09/clean-coal-lobbying-fraud/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leo Rizzuti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo Rizzuti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the post Bernie. I have been in a fairly heated online debate with someone about media bias for the last couple of days. He contends that the vast majority of the media is right wing. I supply him with survey numbers, he complains about the source. I give him search engine numbers noting a 3 to 1 liberal media bias. He counters with the argument that it is because of the conservative &quot;echo chamber&quot;. Then he realizes the stupidity of his remark and amends it to &quot;well, 3:1 is still pretty much parity. I show him data concerning media support for Obama. He agrees, and claims that it is because Obama is politically center-right (huh?). I explain that I have worked in the media (newspapers specifically). I quote &quot;Bias&quot;. I quote Cronkite. He contends that we are all making it up. He is a perfect example of how group think not only occurs in closed groups, but is also quite prevalent in the general public.

I guess what Captain said in Cool Hand Luke was true: &quot;Some men you just can&#039;t reach.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the post Bernie. I have been in a fairly heated online debate with someone about media bias for the last couple of days. He contends that the vast majority of the media is right wing. I supply him with survey numbers, he complains about the source. I give him search engine numbers noting a 3 to 1 liberal media bias. He counters with the argument that it is because of the conservative &#8220;echo chamber&#8221;. Then he realizes the stupidity of his remark and amends it to &#8220;well, 3:1 is still pretty much parity. I show him data concerning media support for Obama. He agrees, and claims that it is because Obama is politically center-right (huh?). I explain that I have worked in the media (newspapers specifically). I quote &#8220;Bias&#8221;. I quote Cronkite. He contends that we are all making it up. He is a perfect example of how group think not only occurs in closed groups, but is also quite prevalent in the general public.</p>
<p>I guess what Captain said in Cool Hand Luke was true: &#8220;Some men you just can&#8217;t reach.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My world may be a little autistic - learn to be patient with folks like me - we are growing in numbers:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My world may be a little autistic &#8211; learn to be patient with folks like me &#8211; we are growing in numbers:)</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only is the deck stacked at the NY Times, they do not know that Right is right and Left is wrong or connotes wrong, in all languages.  It is sheer democratic stupidity to believe the Left is Right.  The great problem in America is that the half-educated are in charge of the media and the education.   The Right stands no chance, it is a downhill slide, at least it will be &quot;no spin&quot; slide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only is the deck stacked at the NY Times, they do not know that Right is right and Left is wrong or connotes wrong, in all languages.  It is sheer democratic stupidity to believe the Left is Right.  The great problem in America is that the half-educated are in charge of the media and the education.   The Right stands no chance, it is a downhill slide, at least it will be &#8220;no spin&#8221; slide.</p>
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		<title>By: Capn Eddie Ricketyback</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capn Eddie Ricketyback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I understand now. In your world it&#039;s not rude to hijack a thread, but it&#039;s the epitome of rudeness to call attention to it. It&#039;s all clear to me now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I understand now. In your world it&#8217;s not rude to hijack a thread, but it&#8217;s the epitome of rudeness to call attention to it. It&#8217;s all clear to me now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May be they banned you, because you are rude :) Lighten up would you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May be they banned you, because you are rude <img src='http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/content/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Lighten up would you!</p>
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		<title>By: Capn Eddie Ricketyback</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capn Eddie Ricketyback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m missing something here, but how could this post possibly have any relevance to the column, “What Liberal Bias?”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m missing something here, but how could this post possibly have any relevance to the column, “What Liberal Bias?”</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Autism - 1 in 100 kids. 
When are they going to realize that mild autism is just a normal behavior? 
Severe cases are  tragic  - but the mild cases are just normal behavior. Not everybody is a social communications wizard. Some little kids just need time to socialize. Teachers in America refuse to deal with kids that are weird, different, moving too much. They send those kids to endless evaluation hoping somebody down the line will feed them a pill, so they behave like sheep. It is a torture for parents with the constant pressure from the schools for the young kids to behave. 1 in 100 - sounds like normal behavior to me. 

1 in 100 - 0dd or Norm?

Most of the mild autistic kids are just a bit weird - WHO ISN&#039;T?
Do you know somebody who is normal and if you do - do you like him/her?
Special ed industry is just cashing in on a normal kids that needs more time to mature. Live the parents and the kids alone. Let the kids move and smile!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Autism &#8211; 1 in 100 kids.<br />
When are they going to realize that mild autism is just a normal behavior?<br />
Severe cases are  tragic  &#8211; but the mild cases are just normal behavior. Not everybody is a social communications wizard. Some little kids just need time to socialize. Teachers in America refuse to deal with kids that are weird, different, moving too much. They send those kids to endless evaluation hoping somebody down the line will feed them a pill, so they behave like sheep. It is a torture for parents with the constant pressure from the schools for the young kids to behave. 1 in 100 &#8211; sounds like normal behavior to me. </p>
<p>1 in 100 &#8211; 0dd or Norm?</p>
<p>Most of the mild autistic kids are just a bit weird &#8211; WHO ISN&#8217;T?<br />
Do you know somebody who is normal and if you do &#8211; do you like him/her?<br />
Special ed industry is just cashing in on a normal kids that needs more time to mature. Live the parents and the kids alone. Let the kids move and smile!</p>
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		<title>By: Leland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen!</description>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not read the above article: no need to. I and Maureen Dowd along with Jayson Blair have been blessed Bernie with what you really said. Now let&#039;s get to the point where&#039;s it&#039;s all your fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not read the above article: no need to. I and Maureen Dowd along with Jayson Blair have been blessed Bernie with what you really said. Now let&#8217;s get to the point where&#8217;s it&#8217;s all your fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bernie.  I love your books and way of thinking.  I&#039;m probably more conservative than you, but you are spot on when it comes to journalistic integrity.  One thing I&#039;d like to get your opinion about is the recent fluff over losing the Chicago olympics.  My opinion is that conservatives should lay off.  It&#039;s not that important in the grand scheme of things.  What are your thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bernie.  I love your books and way of thinking.  I&#8217;m probably more conservative than you, but you are spot on when it comes to journalistic integrity.  One thing I&#8217;d like to get your opinion about is the recent fluff over losing the Chicago olympics.  My opinion is that conservatives should lay off.  It&#8217;s not that important in the grand scheme of things.  What are your thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 07:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who try to be kinder to the environment are nut cases? You&#039;re implying that these people are insane? Who&#039;s the real nutcase here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who try to be kinder to the environment are nut cases? You&#8217;re implying that these people are insane? Who&#8217;s the real nutcase here?</p>
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		<title>By: Fie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 07:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if there is precedent for exiling someone to another state? We might have to send you to Alabama....if they&#039;ll have you. Or even better, California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if there is precedent for exiling someone to another state? We might have to send you to Alabama&#8230;.if they&#8217;ll have you. Or even better, California.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernie,

I read the transcript of your apperance on O&#039;Reilly, and I would take exception to your belief that the Tea Parties are not representative of a cross-section of America...for the same reason I would take exception with someone who reported that they are. To whom would you attribute those statements? Are they your - shudder - OPINION?

Howsabout this - we go interview EVERY ONE of those Tea Party and 9/12 attendees and find out FOR SURE whether the group is a true cross-section of America? Too difficult? Sure it is. Just like it was difficult to estimate with any accuracy the size of the crowd on 9/12 in DC. (It was sure as hell bigger than &quot;a few thousand,&quot; though.)

What EVERYONE who reports for a living needs to understand is that FACTS are the basis of TRUTH - and that&#039;s what we need right now as a nation. If it&#039;s too hard to gather the facts, then someone must put forth an opinion, but make it ATTRIBUTABLE to someone - then it becomes a FACT that someone else said it! (Journalism 101.)

Don&#039;t disparage something someone else said unless you&#039;ve got FACTS on your side.

Other than that, great interview with BillO, and great articles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie,</p>
<p>I read the transcript of your apperance on O&#8217;Reilly, and I would take exception to your belief that the Tea Parties are not representative of a cross-section of America&#8230;for the same reason I would take exception with someone who reported that they are. To whom would you attribute those statements? Are they your &#8211; shudder &#8211; OPINION?</p>
<p>Howsabout this &#8211; we go interview EVERY ONE of those Tea Party and 9/12 attendees and find out FOR SURE whether the group is a true cross-section of America? Too difficult? Sure it is. Just like it was difficult to estimate with any accuracy the size of the crowd on 9/12 in DC. (It was sure as hell bigger than &#8220;a few thousand,&#8221; though.)</p>
<p>What EVERYONE who reports for a living needs to understand is that FACTS are the basis of TRUTH &#8211; and that&#8217;s what we need right now as a nation. If it&#8217;s too hard to gather the facts, then someone must put forth an opinion, but make it ATTRIBUTABLE to someone &#8211; then it becomes a FACT that someone else said it! (Journalism 101.)</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t disparage something someone else said unless you&#8217;ve got FACTS on your side.</p>
<p>Other than that, great interview with BillO, and great articles!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! &quot;Tingle legs.&quot; Yeah, that&#039;s one mental image I&#039;m going to have a hard time getting rid of.

Take Keith Olbermann - he of the, &quot;It&#039;s deep, and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s playable&quot; (describing a home run), or, &quot;He put the biscuit in the basket&quot; (describing a hockey goal). He&#039;s always been a bit snarky, but he has no real knowledge of politics other than HIS OPINION. But let&#039;s be clear, his show is not labeled as a news show. To be fair, he was hired to give HIS OPINION on the air. But even OPINIONS should be backed up by FACTS. His one-liners on ESPN were usually backed up by statistics or play-by-play. His one-liners on MSNBC have no basis in anything except the gray matter between his ears - and it&#039;s woefully empty of true FACTS about not only politics, but what&#039;s happening in this nation today.

Jeff Immelt must be very happy with his puppets at 30 Rock. And now that he&#039;s in the administration, he can tout MSNBC as &quot;The Official Network of Barack Obama.&quot; Talk about being in the tank...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! &#8220;Tingle legs.&#8221; Yeah, that&#8217;s one mental image I&#8217;m going to have a hard time getting rid of.</p>
<p>Take Keith Olbermann &#8211; he of the, &#8220;It&#8217;s deep, and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s playable&#8221; (describing a home run), or, &#8220;He put the biscuit in the basket&#8221; (describing a hockey goal). He&#8217;s always been a bit snarky, but he has no real knowledge of politics other than HIS OPINION. But let&#8217;s be clear, his show is not labeled as a news show. To be fair, he was hired to give HIS OPINION on the air. But even OPINIONS should be backed up by FACTS. His one-liners on ESPN were usually backed up by statistics or play-by-play. His one-liners on MSNBC have no basis in anything except the gray matter between his ears &#8211; and it&#8217;s woefully empty of true FACTS about not only politics, but what&#8217;s happening in this nation today.</p>
<p>Jeff Immelt must be very happy with his puppets at 30 Rock. And now that he&#8217;s in the administration, he can tout MSNBC as &#8220;The Official Network of Barack Obama.&#8221; Talk about being in the tank&#8230;</p>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh. After reading my analogy, I realize it didn&#039;t work so well. Probably comparing a rock to another rock would have been better. Oh, well...</description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellie,

It may be true that, compared to the media in the former USSR, our media is more conservative and more unbiased. However, that&#039;s like comparing a rock to a piece of cotton. There really is no difference. In the USSR, the State owned the media - therefore, they owned the information. In this country, it&#039;s not the State, but GE, CBS/Paramount, Rupert Murdoch, and Disney that own the media - therefore, Jeff Immelt, Les Moonves, Mr. Murdoch, and Robert Iger own the information. As John Mayer, in his song &quot;Waiting For the World to Change,&quot; so eloquently put it, &quot;When they own the information/they can bend it all they want.&quot;

My problem with the so-called mainstream media is the lack of FACTS in their stories. Except for breaking news, when information is flowing fast and it&#039;s hard to keep up, the so-called journalists (on BOTH sides, Bernie) resort to opinion-mongering and &quot;interpretation,&quot; instead of taking a Joe Friday approach (&quot;just the facts, ma&#039;am&quot;) to the news. I don&#039;t want to hear someone else&#039;s interpretation of the facts, or their opinion of what happened. Someone else&#039;s opinion - a government official, a law enforcement officer, an eye-witness - okay, that&#039;s a fact. But it&#039;s attributable to someone else. When a reporter offers an opinion, who are they attributing it to? Themselves? Who cares what they think? They&#039;re REPORTERS - that means, they REPORT.

When I was a news reporter, my two greatest idols were Edward R. Murrow (because he was one of the first) and Clark Kent - yes, &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; Clark Kent. It was not because of the fact he was secretly Superman, but because he stood for TRUTH - ironically, what &quot;pravda&quot; means in Russian. TRUTH means FACTS, not OPINIONS. Both liberal and conservative media would do well to remember that.

And Ellie, if no one has told you yet, or even if they have - welcome to the United States of America!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellie,</p>
<p>It may be true that, compared to the media in the former USSR, our media is more conservative and more unbiased. However, that&#8217;s like comparing a rock to a piece of cotton. There really is no difference. In the USSR, the State owned the media &#8211; therefore, they owned the information. In this country, it&#8217;s not the State, but GE, CBS/Paramount, Rupert Murdoch, and Disney that own the media &#8211; therefore, Jeff Immelt, Les Moonves, Mr. Murdoch, and Robert Iger own the information. As John Mayer, in his song &#8220;Waiting For the World to Change,&#8221; so eloquently put it, &#8220;When they own the information/they can bend it all they want.&#8221;</p>
<p>My problem with the so-called mainstream media is the lack of FACTS in their stories. Except for breaking news, when information is flowing fast and it&#8217;s hard to keep up, the so-called journalists (on BOTH sides, Bernie) resort to opinion-mongering and &#8220;interpretation,&#8221; instead of taking a Joe Friday approach (&#8221;just the facts, ma&#8217;am&#8221;) to the news. I don&#8217;t want to hear someone else&#8217;s interpretation of the facts, or their opinion of what happened. Someone else&#8217;s opinion &#8211; a government official, a law enforcement officer, an eye-witness &#8211; okay, that&#8217;s a fact. But it&#8217;s attributable to someone else. When a reporter offers an opinion, who are they attributing it to? Themselves? Who cares what they think? They&#8217;re REPORTERS &#8211; that means, they REPORT.</p>
<p>When I was a news reporter, my two greatest idols were Edward R. Murrow (because he was one of the first) and Clark Kent &#8211; yes, <i>that</i> Clark Kent. It was not because of the fact he was secretly Superman, but because he stood for TRUTH &#8211; ironically, what &#8220;pravda&#8221; means in Russian. TRUTH means FACTS, not OPINIONS. Both liberal and conservative media would do well to remember that.</p>
<p>And Ellie, if no one has told you yet, or even if they have &#8211; welcome to the United States of America!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 11:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t argue with a person incapable of objectivity.  It just doesn&#039;t work.  You use facts, and they use opinion.</description>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 11:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s like you said in your book.  Liberals don&#039;t realize they&#039;re liberal just like fish don&#039;t realize they&#039;re wet.  The New York Times still lives in a world in which it set the news, and in which the general public didn&#039;t have an alternative news source, so we had no choice but to listen to the &quot;MSM&quot;.

The NY Times has evidently appointed someone to watch Fox News, though, so maybe they&#039;ll figure out that there are indeed people in the world other than liberals.  Probably not, but maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like you said in your book.  Liberals don&#8217;t realize they&#8217;re liberal just like fish don&#8217;t realize they&#8217;re wet.  The New York Times still lives in a world in which it set the news, and in which the general public didn&#8217;t have an alternative news source, so we had no choice but to listen to the &#8220;MSM&#8221;.</p>
<p>The NY Times has evidently appointed someone to watch Fox News, though, so maybe they&#8217;ll figure out that there are indeed people in the world other than liberals.  Probably not, but maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 06:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bernie, I really enjoy your visits on O&#039;Reilly. I have debates with people, mostly bleeding heart liberals, who claim there is no liberal bias in the media. They point to the corporate owners of the TV stations, and newspapers as the tall tale proof that there is a conservative bias. It makes me want to rip my hair out when I see how ignorant people can be. 

I try to tell them it&#039;s not the owners that dictate the news, its the editors and reporters who do and they are part of a vast liberal culture. I work in higher education and I see the same thing on college campuses. Their culture is one of liberalism and the president of  a university can vote however he wants but his professors and administrators are going to teach and promote whatever ideals they believe in and bring the speakers to campus who mirror their beliefs. 

If anyone can help me win this argument, how can I tell these people who claim the corporate heads in the media are proof of no liberal bias? What will finally get into their heads that they and the rest of us are being sold a slew of propaganda by the left? 

I wanted to write a paper on liberal media bias and was told by a professor &quot;don&#039;t do it you&#039;ll never get hired as a professor if you do.&quot; That is life in higher Ed and the media. The pressure to conform to liberalism. One eyed midgets is what is expected of the people in the two largest information hubs of our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bernie, I really enjoy your visits on O&#8217;Reilly. I have debates with people, mostly bleeding heart liberals, who claim there is no liberal bias in the media. They point to the corporate owners of the TV stations, and newspapers as the tall tale proof that there is a conservative bias. It makes me want to rip my hair out when I see how ignorant people can be. </p>
<p>I try to tell them it&#8217;s not the owners that dictate the news, its the editors and reporters who do and they are part of a vast liberal culture. I work in higher education and I see the same thing on college campuses. Their culture is one of liberalism and the president of  a university can vote however he wants but his professors and administrators are going to teach and promote whatever ideals they believe in and bring the speakers to campus who mirror their beliefs. </p>
<p>If anyone can help me win this argument, how can I tell these people who claim the corporate heads in the media are proof of no liberal bias? What will finally get into their heads that they and the rest of us are being sold a slew of propaganda by the left? </p>
<p>I wanted to write a paper on liberal media bias and was told by a professor &#8220;don&#8217;t do it you&#8217;ll never get hired as a professor if you do.&#8221; That is life in higher Ed and the media. The pressure to conform to liberalism. One eyed midgets is what is expected of the people in the two largest information hubs of our country.</p>
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		<title>By: SuwaneeBen</title>
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		<dc:creator>SuwaneeBen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 05:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point.
And, It should be the guide for all rad/tv/jrnl/net authors.
Sad though, it would require a &quot;Law&quot; and involve the FCC (Frequent Cuss Counters).
FCC is as useful as Brains for a Liberal.....sorry, Progressive!
&quot;A Mass of info for a Mush of Sense.&quot; 
SuwaneeBen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point.<br />
And, It should be the guide for all rad/tv/jrnl/net authors.<br />
Sad though, it would require a &#8220;Law&#8221; and involve the FCC (Frequent Cuss Counters).<br />
FCC is as useful as Brains for a Liberal&#8230;..sorry, Progressive!<br />
&#8220;A Mass of info for a Mush of Sense.&#8221;<br />
SuwaneeBen</p>
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		<title>By: LlightSaber</title>
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		<dc:creator>LlightSaber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bernie,

Here&#039;s the point I&#039;m at:  I&#039;m sick to death of diversity, and it has no place in this discussion.  It&#039;s a false premise, which lends credence to a non-argument.

Why should any discussion take place at all regarding an assembly of people of like-mindedness?  The cohesive element which drew people was the idea -- the idea that govt., is out of control, the idea that health-care reform in its current framework is wrong -- things like that.  

What&#039;s more important here -- the diversity aspect or the elevation of an idea?  Aren&#039;t the ideas what it&#039;s all about anyway?  

I&#039;m so sick of the lecturing and looking at the underside of everything.  Instead of trying to make everyone feel guilty because there was an insufficient representation of black people, why not just celebrate an educated, passionate coalescence of concerned citizens?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bernie,</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the point I&#8217;m at:  I&#8217;m sick to death of diversity, and it has no place in this discussion.  It&#8217;s a false premise, which lends credence to a non-argument.</p>
<p>Why should any discussion take place at all regarding an assembly of people of like-mindedness?  The cohesive element which drew people was the idea &#8212; the idea that govt., is out of control, the idea that health-care reform in its current framework is wrong &#8212; things like that.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s more important here &#8212; the diversity aspect or the elevation of an idea?  Aren&#8217;t the ideas what it&#8217;s all about anyway?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m so sick of the lecturing and looking at the underside of everything.  Instead of trying to make everyone feel guilty because there was an insufficient representation of black people, why not just celebrate an educated, passionate coalescence of concerned citizens?</p>
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		<title>By: leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 01:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please tell Bernie to contact me. 612.275.9822.</description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“employees of a controversial outfit, long criticized by Republicans as corrupt, appearing to engage in outrageous, if not illegal, behavior.&quot;

This quote from Clark Hoyt, the &quot;public editor,&quot; is a perfect example of unchecked slant. Even from an &quot;editor&quot; in a story about slant! 

Breaking it down. 

Is Acorn controversial? yes.
Is it &quot;long criticized&quot;? yes. 
Is it &quot;long criticized by Republicans&quot;? yes.
 
Is it &quot;controversial&quot; ONLY because it is &quot;long criticized by Republicans&quot;? 
NOT EVEN CLOSE. 
Convicted crimes. Alleged crimes (dozens?) working their way through the legal systems in multiple states. Millions of dollars of taxpayer money and unopened books. (Louisiana AG got a court order to see their books in Louisiana finally last I heard). This means law enforcement is also accusing corruption, not just those other folks called Republicans. 

This is a simple example of how slant can exist without a single falsehood being stated (I have identified dozens more in my research). Imply a singular cause and effect relationship where one is but one of many, or where one doesn&#039;t even exist. Voila. The audience who isn&#039;t tuned to detect the slant (which is most) infers improper meaning, repeats it to their friends and we&#039;re off to the races (no pun intended). 

Do I believe Clark Hoyt is purposefully guilty of slant (in this case)? No. I believe he&#039;s smart enough to understand the difference. But for a combination of causes Hoyt and too many of his colleagues in the profession have evolved over time into slanters. Heck, even Bernie (who I have bucket loads of respect for) didn&#039;t point out the slant in that part of the Hoyt quote. Did Bernie detect it? I don&#039;t know. Perhaps Bernie elected simply to make a different point about Hoyt&#039;s conclusion. That&#039;s fair. I admit the &quot;sun rising in the east&quot; was a cute line. 

Do I believe the world of journalism is guilty of allowing this slant to occur? Yes. They first and foremost hurt themselves by not policing the people in their own field. One of the consequences of them not looking after their industry has been significant numbers of the marketplace turning  their back and in doing so threatening the very business model of print journalism and broadcast news. 

And oddly enough, even that story is slanted masking the cause and effects in play. How thick do you like your irony? All the way, thank you very much! 

p.s. You were great on the Factor last night, Bernie. Please do us all a favor and meet privately with Bill and the unnamed Fox person and try to reason with him. You&#039;ll be doing him, Fox and all of us and the country a huge favor. Please try to follow up. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“employees of a controversial outfit, long criticized by Republicans as corrupt, appearing to engage in outrageous, if not illegal, behavior.&#8221;</p>
<p>This quote from Clark Hoyt, the &#8220;public editor,&#8221; is a perfect example of unchecked slant. Even from an &#8220;editor&#8221; in a story about slant! </p>
<p>Breaking it down. </p>
<p>Is Acorn controversial? yes.<br />
Is it &#8220;long criticized&#8221;? yes.<br />
Is it &#8220;long criticized by Republicans&#8221;? yes.</p>
<p>Is it &#8220;controversial&#8221; ONLY because it is &#8220;long criticized by Republicans&#8221;?<br />
NOT EVEN CLOSE.<br />
Convicted crimes. Alleged crimes (dozens?) working their way through the legal systems in multiple states. Millions of dollars of taxpayer money and unopened books. (Louisiana AG got a court order to see their books in Louisiana finally last I heard). This means law enforcement is also accusing corruption, not just those other folks called Republicans. </p>
<p>This is a simple example of how slant can exist without a single falsehood being stated (I have identified dozens more in my research). Imply a singular cause and effect relationship where one is but one of many, or where one doesn&#8217;t even exist. Voila. The audience who isn&#8217;t tuned to detect the slant (which is most) infers improper meaning, repeats it to their friends and we&#8217;re off to the races (no pun intended). </p>
<p>Do I believe Clark Hoyt is purposefully guilty of slant (in this case)? No. I believe he&#8217;s smart enough to understand the difference. But for a combination of causes Hoyt and too many of his colleagues in the profession have evolved over time into slanters. Heck, even Bernie (who I have bucket loads of respect for) didn&#8217;t point out the slant in that part of the Hoyt quote. Did Bernie detect it? I don&#8217;t know. Perhaps Bernie elected simply to make a different point about Hoyt&#8217;s conclusion. That&#8217;s fair. I admit the &#8220;sun rising in the east&#8221; was a cute line. </p>
<p>Do I believe the world of journalism is guilty of allowing this slant to occur? Yes. They first and foremost hurt themselves by not policing the people in their own field. One of the consequences of them not looking after their industry has been significant numbers of the marketplace turning  their back and in doing so threatening the very business model of print journalism and broadcast news. </p>
<p>And oddly enough, even that story is slanted masking the cause and effects in play. How thick do you like your irony? All the way, thank you very much! </p>
<p>p.s. You were great on the Factor last night, Bernie. Please do us all a favor and meet privately with Bill and the unnamed Fox person and try to reason with him. You&#8217;ll be doing him, Fox and all of us and the country a huge favor. Please try to follow up. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Kathie Ampela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathie Ampela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and by the way, great column this week, Bernie!</description>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree - it is a good way to self-test :)</description>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read Pravda and Komsomolskaya Pradva and Moskovskaya Pravda. They did not openly admit to anything /until Gorbachev perestroika and glasnost/. They didn&#039;t have to. The only other view - different then communist&#039;s was coming from VOA and BBC radios - and the signal was always distorted. There was no &quot;other stream&quot; media in the USSR only a government media. There is plenty of free conservative media in the USA.  The so called Main Stream Media here is not institutionalized - it is private - and it is ... corrupt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Pravda and Komsomolskaya Pradva and Moskovskaya Pravda. They did not openly admit to anything /until Gorbachev perestroika and glasnost/. They didn&#8217;t have to. The only other view &#8211; different then communist&#8217;s was coming from VOA and BBC radios &#8211; and the signal was always distorted. There was no &#8220;other stream&#8221; media in the USSR only a government media. There is plenty of free conservative media in the USA.  The so called Main Stream Media here is not institutionalized &#8211; it is private &#8211; and it is &#8230; corrupt.</p>
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