Jindal Lies While the Pelican Dies

[Jeffreydan]

So what if it happens again? It's obvious deep water drilling is "risky" why gamble now before a full investigation is conducted?

It's a safer risk than driving or flying, so what's your point? EVERYTHING carries a risk.

Nice try, but you aren't looking like a voice of reason here. What happened here is no excuse for as extreme a measure as shutting down. A study is reasonable and should happen, but stopping all drilling is simply ridiculous.

If anything, you're making a better argument for drilling in shallow water and ANWR, which are indeed less risky.

[tim.ned@gmail.com]

Anderson Cooper tonight is finally questioning the logic of 1600 skimmers sitting with nothing to do while one of the greatest natural resources of our country, the gulf, is being destroyed. The Jones Act is still in force and he is also questioning why this government has not suspended this ridiculous law in time of crisis.

I believe Smith you need to really revaluate your defenese of this President. At least find something which is defensible as his failure in leadership on this one is clearly undefensible.

[6079smithW]

one of the greatest natural resources of our country, the gulf, is being destroyed.

You mean "already been destroyed."

You really need to re-evaluate the way you are assigning responsibility for that loss. You and Anderson Cooper can go on pretending that if only one of you had been running the U.S. Coast Guard last week, then everything would be cool, but if such a ridiculously short-sighted and know-it-all viewpoint is adopted by everyone, then the complete destruction of all of the world's "greatest natural resources" is inevitable. But I suspect that you will go on rolling your eyes and panting about how "obvious" it is that all of the experts and engineers "are wrong," while completely overlooking the actual problem here, which is American dependence on oil.

In fact, you'll continue to actually criticize Obama for calling for clean energy legislation to end American dependence on oil! The 18-29 year old voters in this country, who supported Obama in record percentages and numbers over any other Presidential candidate in history, on the other hand, will see Obama's call for what it is: pragmatic, obvious, "common sense."

[Cap'n Billy]

The 18-29 year old voters in this country, who supported Obama in record percentages and numbers over any other Presidential candidate in history, on the other hand, will see Obama's call for what it is: pragmatic, obvious, "common sense."

If we depend on that demographic for "common sense," and if they hold the balance of power in this country, then we in a heap o' trouble! There are notable exceptions, some in this forum, but as a whole, giving power to that group is like "giving whiskey and car keys to teenagers."

[btorocco]

The 18-29 year old voters in this country, who supported Obama in record percentages and numbers over any other Presidential candidate in history, on the other hand, will see Obama's call for what it is: pragmatic, obvious, "common sense."

If we depend on that demographic for "common sense," and if they hold the balance of power in this country, then we in a heap o' trouble! There are notable exceptions, some in this forum, but as a whole, giving power to that group is like "giving whiskey and car keys to teenagers."

These days, Cap, I wouldn't trust that demographic to successfully run a lemonade stand. I deal with many of them on a daily basis and all I can say is that the dumbing down of American youth has been a smashing success. Many of them can't even put together a coherent sentence, the rest are arrogant and obnoxious beyond belief. Their sense of entitlement is astounding. As far as whiskey with car keys, they don't need that, they have enough distraction with cell phones, GPS units and i-pods. I stop them daily for running stop signs, red lights, disobeying road signs, entering EZ Pass lanes with no EZ Pass, etc. and, after asking if they saw the sign the first words out of their mouths are, "no, I was looking at the GPS" or, "well the 'navigation' didn't say there was a stop sign here" or, "the 'navigation' didn't tell me which lanes were EZ Pass" despite the fact there are 14, count 'em 14 signs to that effect starting a mile away from the toll plaza. Pathetic 'maroons'. So I write the summonses, they go to traffic court, I still win the case plus get 4 hours of easy OT since I work the evening tour. I'm considering sending the GPS makers a thank-you note. P.S. They're too dumb to know it, but their 'looking at the GPS' defense really BURIES them in traffic court.

[btorocco]

Anderson Cooper tonight is finally questioning the logic of 1600 skimmers sitting with nothing to do while one of the greatest natural resources of our country, the gulf, is being destroyed. The Jones Act is still in force and he is also questioning why this government has not suspended this ridiculous law in time of crisis.

Tim just one thing you forgot to mention; the fact that the 'incompetent' Bush waived the nonsensical Jones Act immediately after Katrina. And for smith, so you still believe technological advancements can be legislated into existence?

[JDC]

These days, Cap, I wouldn't trust that demographic to successfully run a lemonade stand. I deal with many of them on a daily basis and all I can say is that the dumbing down of American youth has been a smashing success. Many of them can't even put together a coherent sentence, the rest are arrogant and obnoxious beyond belief. Their sense of entitlement is astounding. As far as whiskey with car keys, they don't need that, they have enough distraction with cell phones, GPS units and i-pods. I stop them daily for running stop signs, red lights, disobeying road signs, entering EZ Pass lanes with no EZ Pass, etc. and, after asking if they saw the sign the first words out of their mouths are, "no, I was looking at the GPS" or, "well the 'navigation' didn't say there was a stop sign here" or, "the 'navigation' didn't tell me which lanes were EZ Pass" despite the fact there are 14, count 'em 14 signs to that effect starting a mile away from the toll plaza. Pathetic 'maroons'. So I write the summonses, they go to traffic court, I still win the case plus get 4 hours of easy OT since I work the evening tour. I'm considering sending the GPS makers a thank-you note. P.S. They're too dumb to know it, but their 'looking at the GPS' defense really BURIES them in traffic court.

Although the above quote--and my reply to it--isn't "exactly" "On Topic" . . . I just had to take a moment to say that your summary of certain aspects of our Yoot Kulchur (or Kulcha, if you will) is so on-target and so similar to my own experiences, that I get the feeling that there is some sort of telepathy happening here. Except I've never been a cop. I was, however, a Vocational Instructor/Teacher at an "at-risk youth facility" for over a decade. I've noticed that, since then, even "mainstream members" of Generation T (Technology) are ripe for actually morphing beyond Proto-Borg into the real thing.

Sorry for the interruption . . .
Back to The Topic at hand: (another example of) Lying, Stupid, Incompetant Bureaucrats, Politicians and Robber Baron Capitalists.

[Jeffreydan]

Just as I figured, Smith has nothing to back up the accusation of lying.


Smith, go back to Opposite World (the only place where BO could be reasonable, competent, and honest), and don't leave there until the IV has been removed.

[6079smithW]

Nothing? Jindal keeps claiming that the Obama Administration is failing to provide him with resources, even while he isn't using 5/6 of the National Guard troops that the Obama Administration has provided him with. He also claims that the Obama Administration has failed to act on all his half-baked, last-second berm-building plans, when the fact is, the Obama Administration has acted - in many cases, by refusing permission to proceed. "No" is an answer. It may not be the answer that Gov. Jindal was hoping for, but it's still an answer.

The "Jones Act" talking-points have about as much truth as "death panels":
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archiv ... 024528.php

There are currently 24 foreign vessels from nine foreign countries in the Gulf, helping with the response effort. How many needed a waiver to participate? None. How many vessels have been turned away because of the Jones Act? None. In fact, just this week, a dozen more offers of foreign assistance have been accepted. The Jones Act had no bearing on any of this.

But c'mon guys, didn't anybody notice the groovy rhyme, with echoes of "Code Pink"? Now I know how my wife felt when I didn't notice her haircut.

And Cap'n, losing all the 18-29 year-olds bodes poorly for the future, doncha think? Us crabby old folks, clinging bitterly to our guns and religion, can't hold back progress forever.

[Jeffreydan]

Nothing? Jindal keeps claiming that the Obama Administration is failing to provide him with resources, even while he isn't using 5/6 of the National Guard troops that the Obama Administration has provided him with. He also claims that the Obama Administration has failed to act on all his half-baked, last-second berm-building plans, when the fact is, the Obama Administration has acted - in many cases, by refusing permission to proceed. "No" is an answer. It may not be the answer that Gov. Jindal was hoping for, but it's still an answer.

First, there is no excuse for BO to refuse the permits.
Second, refusing them is a failure to act, and that's the point. "No" is the wrong answer.
Third, when you're trying to prevent your shores from getting soiled with crude, 'half-baked' is hardly the term a reasonable person uses to describe the berms that actually block it.

Unlike BO, Governor Jindal has responded to this disaster like an executive, not a professor.

Nothing? Jindal keeps claiming that the Obama Administration is failing to provide him with resources, even while he isn't using 5/6 of the National Guard troops that the Obama Administration has provided him with. He also claims that the Obama Administration has failed to act on all his half-baked, last-second berm-building plans, when the fact is, the Obama Administration has acted - in many cases, by refusing permission to proceed. "No" is an answer. It may not be the answer that Gov. Jindal was hoping for, but it's still an answer.

The "Jones Act" talking-points have about as much truth as "death panels":
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archiv ... 024528.php

There are currently 24 foreign vessels from nine foreign countries in the Gulf, helping with the response effort. How many needed a waiver to participate? None. How many vessels have been turned away because of the Jones Act? None. In fact, just this week, a dozen more offers of foreign assistance have been accepted. The Jones Act had no bearing on any of this.

Good thing this is all happening; it isn't exactly a reason to suggest the BO administration is competent, though:
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive ... 02497.html

As for "lies," you're still on the clock to demonstrate 'em. In the meantime, want me to pass the time showing you what a truthful, trustworthy individual BO is, the guy whom you seem to find incapable of being wrong?

I shouldn't, though. It'd require an exceedingly long tangent.

[6079smithW]

First, there is no excuse for BO to refuse the permits.
Second, refusing them is a failure to act, and that's the point. "No" is the wrong answer.
Third, when you're trying to prevent your shores from getting soiled with crude, 'half-baked' is hardly the term a reasonable person uses to describe the berms that actually block it.

Unlike BO, Governor Jindal has responded to this disaster like an executive, not a professor.

Very nice, fact-free post.

Jindal is acting like the lightweight political opportunist that he is:
http://themoderatevoice.com/75371/the-g ... iana-hoax/
HINT: The sand berms are supposed to take 9 months to construct, and they'll never, ever work.

Nothing? Jindal keeps claiming that the Obama Administration is failing to provide him with resources, even while he isn't using 5/6 of the National Guard troops that the Obama Administration has provided him with. He also claims that the Obama Administration has failed to act on all his half-baked, last-second berm-building plans, when the fact is, the Obama Administration has acted - in many cases, by refusing permission to proceed. "No" is an answer. It may not be the answer that Gov. Jindal was hoping for, but it's still an answer.

The "Jones Act" talking-points have about as much truth as "death panels":
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archiv ... 024528.php

There are currently 24 foreign vessels from nine foreign countries in the Gulf, helping with the response effort. How many needed a waiver to participate? None. How many vessels have been turned away because of the Jones Act? None. In fact, just this week, a dozen more offers of foreign assistance have been accepted. The Jones Act had no bearing on any of this.

Good thing this is all happening; it isn't exactly a reason to suggest the BO administration is competent, though:
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive ... 02497.html

A link to a CHAIN EMAIL? That's your source, which you accept without question, because it is critical of Obama.

Here's a real source:
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/143488.pdf

Note that none of the offers have been rejected, and that the phrase "Jones Act" doesn't seem to appear anywhere, at all.

[tim.ned@gmail.com]

HINT: The sand berms are supposed to take 9 months to construct, and they'll never, ever work.

Someone forgot to tell these engineers that you can't build islands in the ocean?

http://tetrabulgaria.com/images/listing ... resort.jpg

[6079smithW]

LOL.



"Construction was originally planned to take 10–15 years, but that was before the impact of the global credit crunch hit Dubai."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Islands

If only Obama had approved Jindal's plan in two days, instead of three, the entire coast of Louisiana would be safe-and-sound by now.

[tim.ned@gmail.com]

If only Obama had approved Jindal's plan in two days, instead of three, the entire coast of Louisiana would be safe-and-sound by now.

First, the scientists you are referring to state that this task is impossible. It is not! They have provided every excuse not to build barriers with no alternative measures to help Jindal and his constituents and you buy into their excuses. Jeff Corwin stated last night that this oil could be washing up on beaches for years to come and your president has done nothing outside of telling us about his Nobel prize winner. Perhaps a long term plan on barriers isn't so illogical? Where's the plan! As Chris Mathews asked a local LA representative last night "Who in Washington do you consider in command and control and you can call with issues pertaining to this spill?" and the individual was speechless. Mathews said that answered the question. But the incompetency of this President is shinning through and even those in the press that have protected him are starting to see reality!

When Nixon lost Walter Cronkite, he lost the war!

[washingtonamerica]

[quote="6079smithW"]Keep drinking the Kool-aid, and pretending that the Feds have "failed to act" on Jindal's poorly considered, rough-sketch, 3-page "plan" (only devised AFTER the spill) to build berms, even though, in fact, the Feds have acted.

look at it from the opposite perspective. lousianna is just one of at least five states, to be affected, so far do you think that the fed has done a good job? do you think nagan did a good job?. and i like koolaid... it's very delicious on a hot summer day, i drink the non sugar, non poisanous kind