liberal fascism

[jaybear_us]

Anyone who doesn't believe that liberals and progressives are fascists at heart ought to take a good look at San Francisco. Fascism starts with small steps. It insinuates a little bit of control here then a little bit of control there until finally, almost unnoticed, you're living in a fascist state.

In Frisco, you can no longer buy certain drinks from vending machines on city property. Not a big thing in itself. But it takes away an individual's freedom of choice and is one of those small steps.

Now Frisco wants to ban the sale of pets within the city. Not a big thing in itself, etc....... But another one of those small steps.

In various places, liberals have banned the sale of fast foods with trans-fats. Not a big thing in itself, etc...... Another one of those steps.

They've made certain words in our society taboo. Again, another small step.

You guys can probably think of many, many more examples. But it all boils down to one thing....that if the liberals and progressives ever do take control of this country, we'll find ourselves in a fascist state where eventually, even personal opinion and free speech, among other things, could become crimes.

[btorocco]

I don't know for sure if this is true but I heard that in California (where else) you can no longer burn wood in your fireplace. You have to use those wax logs. Can anyone confirm this?

[6079smithW]

Next thing you know, they'll be taking away our birth control and forcing us to worship God, dang libruls.

[tim.ned@gmail.com]

Next thing you know, they'll be taking away our birth control and forcing us to worship God, dang libruls.

I don't think Smith you ever have to worry about liberals going that direction. But you can count on the fact that they will continue to support a mothers right to tell the doctor in the delivery room if it's a birth or an abortion. And you can certainly count on the fact that they will remain "To Stupid" to use birth control.

[JDC]

I've said for YEARS--long before I ever even heard of Ann Coulter, Laura Ingram, Tammy Bruce, or any of the other female and/or other-genderal radio talk show hosts/hostesses, including Neil Whatshisface and all of the Whomever Guys who make the same prognostication:
When Fascist Totalitarianism comes to America it will come from The Left.

It's simply The Nanny State Mentality.
(And directly related to that C.S.Lewis quote The Cap'n uses in his "tag line")

It may look like Mary Poppins in an SS Uniform.
Or, perhaps, more like Hillary Clinton in whatever it is the EPA wears to conduct "business".
Maybe it will resemble Nurse Ratchet--(from Ken Kesey's Klassic novel)--for the New Millenium.

To paraphrase the Jack Nicholson character in "Easy Rider": "A lot of people don't like to see free people. It doesn't just make them jealous, it makes them dangerous."

I don't know for sure if this is true but I heard that in California (where else) you can no longer burn wood in your fireplace. You have to use those wax logs. Can anyone confirm this?

What they haven't thought through is the "environmental impact" of slow-smoking Tofurky and Boca Burgers over parafin. I don't mean the atmosphere . . I mean the digestive tract. (And the plumbing/sewage system.)

[tim.ned@gmail.com]

I can't recall any countries, outside of the U.S., that support "Free Speach". I believe the U.S. is the only one. In this country you can virtually say anything even vial words and we see it every day. Good or bad, I believe in this right.

I know Canada you are not protected by free speach and the same applies in Europe. They control this through what is called "Hate Speech". And there is absolutely no doubt that this is a liberal agenda!

If anyone can name me another country I would be surprised.

[btorocco]

I can't recall any countries, outside of the U.S., that support "Free Speach". I believe the U.S. is the only one. In this country you can virtually say anything even vial words and we see it every day. Good or bad, I believe in this right.

Unless of course, Tim, you happen to be on an American college campus, you know, those pillars of modern liberalism where freedom of speech and the free exchange of ideas existed in a long ago and far away time. Was it "our side" that instituted 'speech codes' and shouted down guest speakers, and let's not forget the violent protests while we're at it.

[6079smithW]

Yeah your side has done plenty of that stuff. They've got a couple schools where they wouldn't even allow interracial dating for crying-out-loud.

[btorocco]

Yeah your side has done plenty of that stuff. They've got a couple schools where they wouldn't even allow interracial dating for crying-out-loud.

Right. Cite the one, maybe two such schools vs. the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of restricted speech campuses and say "you guys are just as bad". Nice try, smith, but it doesn't play in Peoria. And that pretty much sums up your entire 'my side vs. your side' argument.

[6079smithW]

You think Peorians are to dumb to figure out that the Republicans are lying about balancing the budget, and that they have no ideas beyond "more tax cuts for the wealthy" and calling other people "totalitarians" and "baby killers"?

You think Peorians get excited about a war against science, just because a lot of college professors are dang libruls? They're all going to reject the notion that pollution should have a price, or that evolution is real, because there are some commies in the liberal arts department?

Sarah Palin agrees with you, and it'd be a gift if your side would side nominate her for President in 2012.

[Jeffreydan]

I can think of other things that qualify as lil' steps towards fascism:

-A gov't-established website that urges citizens to tattle on other citizens who speak out against gov't policy.

-Legislation that forces all citizens to buy a product, even if they don't need it, selected from a list established by the gov't.

-Gov't officials encouraging supporters of their party to intimidate any voters they believe don't support said party.

-Gov't officials, who neglect to do their job protecting the states, telling states not to protect themselves.

-Gov't officials singling out, belittling, and slandering dissenters.

Boy, imagine how terrible it'd be if there were a political party in THIS country pulling that kind of crap!

[btorocco]

You think Peorians are to dumb to figure out that the Republicans are lying about balancing the budget, and that they have no ideas beyond "more tax cuts for the wealthy" and calling other people "totalitarians" and "baby killers"?You think Peorians get excited about a war against science, just because a lot of college professors are dang libruls? They're all going to reject the notion that pollution should have a price, or that evolution is real, because there are some commies in the liberal arts department?Sarah Palin agrees with you, and it'd be a gift if your side would side nominate her for President in 2012.

Another exercise in obfuscation. I 've got to admit you had me fooled there for a while. I actually entertained the notion that you were halfway reasonable but you sure proved me wrong. You seem to be singularly fixated on this "war on science" as you call it. Might this be http://www.jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin.php3 what you're referring to? I prefer to call it 'real science vs. agenda-driven bogus science' but hey, what do I know, I 'm just one of those unsophisticated beer-guzzling rubes from fly-over country. BTW while I'm at it I recall you once scolding James Watt and Ronald Reagan for saying that trees cause pollution. Well guess what? Ever wonder how the Great Smoky Mountains got their name? You see trees only do the inhale CO2/exhale O thing in their salad days, first 10-12 years I would say. After that they do much less of it and actually emit a gas (can't recall the name) that EPA has classified as a pollutant. No cause for concern among us rubes but it's giving the armchair naturalists fits. So goes another episode in the 'war on science' saga.

[Terence]

Regarding the original post…

Liberal Fascism????? What’s the matter, the terms Socialism, Marxism and Nazism not sticking? YOU DO understand fascism is usually regarded as extreme right wing … don’t you? I would invite you to look up the definition of Fascism and see if there’s any way it could be associated with Liberalism. The poster boys of Fascism are: Hitler, Mussolini and Saddam Hussein yet somehow Liberals are going to engage in similar philosophies?

You cite “small steps” to oppressive, dictatorial control but your examples are not convincing. Sometimes, local politicians come up with silly ideas like a salt ban or extra taxes on sugary drinks, but these measures are difficult to pass and can be dealt with at the ballot box; If you don’t like their ideas … vote ‘em out.

Fear not … I’m sure Coke and Pepsi will find their way back to Government properties (in San Francisco) over time.

Jaybear_us wrote:
But it all boils down to one thing....that if the liberals and progressives ever do take control of this country, we'll find ourselves in a fascist state where eventually, even personal opinion and free speech, among other things, could become crimes.

Yeah, except that darn Constitution that gets in the way, the same Constitution that has repeatedly upheld the 2nd amendment (via the Supreme Court) even though the fear mongers want you to believe your guns are in jeopardy.

The term “Liberal Fascism” has the stench of Limbaugh or Beck all over it.

[Jeffreydan]

The Constitution matters very little to the democrats, as they've demonstrated. As long as Justices Thomas, Alito, Roberts, Scalia, and Kennedy remain on the SCOTUS, we're still reasonably safe from whatever form or level of fascism democrats try to force on us.

Terence, no matter what is defined as what, no matter that people can vote on measures, the liberals are acting authoritarian.
"If you don't like their ideas..." misses the point. Of course we'd vote against them! The point is, the mere fact that any politician is pulling this type of crap is downright stunning.

[jaybear_us]

There's only one reason SCOTUS keeps protecting our rights under the constitution, terence, and that's because conservative judges remain a majority on the bench. As we see in places like California, where liberal judges hold sway in the 9th district, that court goes so far as to overturn legal election results as has happened with a number of propositions because the vote didn't agree with their progressive or socialist agendas.

You never hear the term "activist judges" in regard to conservative or constitutionalist judges - only liberal ones and there is good reason for that. It's only liberal judges who uphold or overturn laws based not on the constitution, but on social policy.