Liberals, Unhinged

Looks like a few more liberals have forgotten how to be liberal.

On “Morning Joe” on MSNBC today, the subject turned to the mosque and cultural center near Ground Zero.  Two liberals and a scary conservative took the position that the President of the United States should use his substantial power to stop the crackpot minister in Florida from burning Korans – because, they said, to allow him to go forward would incite radical Muslims and put our troops in Afghanistan in danger.

(I’m not going to mention the minister by name in this column.  I don’t want to show him even that much respect.)

But what about freedom of speech, you know, that pesky First Amendment?  Eugene Robinson, one of the many liberal columnists at the Washington Post said: We all know you can’t shout fire in a crowded theater and this is pretty much the same thing.

Donnie Deutsch, a former MSNBC host and passionate liberal, said if the Koran burning would increase the chances “by even one percent” that our troops might be harmed, then the president should find stop the minister’s book burning protest.

The scary conservative was Pat Buchanan, someone who gives right-wingers a bad name.  The president, he said, should act in his capacity as commander-in-chief, and shut the minister’s protest down. Let the judges decide after the fact, he said — presumably when it would be too late to matter –  if the president violated the United States Constitution.   You’d expect that from a loyal member of the Nixon administration.

And there was lots of talk — wishful thinking, actually; at least from the two liberals — about how the president’s popularity would go up if he showed some guts.

They also made another point:  that it was none other than General David Petraeus who first said the Koran burning would put American troops in danger.  And that was all they needed to know since the general is a serious man. This is shallow commentary even by television standards.

What never occurred to these “wise men” – at least it never came up in the conversation – is this:  What if some other president used the full force of law – and the FBI or the national guard – to shut down a protest he didn’t like? What if President Bush, for example, had thought that burning the American flag would harm the troops?  Would these “deep thinkers” be in favor a presidential decree to ban flag burning?   Sure, Buchanan probably would think that would be a good idea, but who on the Left would?  Not liberals like Eugene Robinson or Donnie Deutsch, that’s for sure.

Or what if Lyndon Johnson or Richard Nixon had decreed that anti-war demonstrations were putting the lives of American soldiers at risk in Vietnam?  Would Robinson or Deutsch have been in favor of shutting down that kind of speech?  Buchanan probably would have been in favor of not only shutting down the anti-war demonstrations, but deporting the “traitors” to Siberia.  I wouldn’t be surprised if he proposed just that to his boss, the president.

Yes, I know two liberals don’t represent every liberal in America.  And one other liberal on the panel — Lawrence O’Donnell — said the others didn’t understand what free speech is all about. But I suspect they do, and simply don’t care — not when shredding the Constitution suits their political purpose.  They think that the Ground Zero mosque controversy has shown that we’ve become a nation of Muslim-haters.  They detest the Florida pastor.  They hate what he stands for.  Therefore, putting a muzzle on him is perfectly okay.

I detest what that screwball in Florida stands for too.  But that’s precisely why we have a First Amendment:  to protect unpopular, even stupid, speech.

The Florida minister, who by the way seems to have changed his mind and said he will not burn Korans (at least not on September 11) has every right to burn them. But it would be insensitive to do it.  Just because he has the right doesn’t mean it is right.

Not an original idea, I know.  That’s why I brought it up.  Because it’s something my liberal friends may want to think about next time they’re about to call someone a bigot, just because that someone thinks building a mosque near Ground Zero isn’t the right thing to do.

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    DUE TO HIS PORTLY APPEARANCE, ACCORDING TO HILLS APPEARANCE, WHAT IS HE ELIGIBLE FOR ???

  • Guest2

    Was it Ian McKellen who was ripping the book of Leviticus out of every Bible he found, and urging others across America to do the same (resulting in a lot of ripped up Bibles)? And this was right here in America, no?
    Hey Liberals, what’s the problem?
    Why are you spending SO MUCH time on this little congregation of 20, a tiny speck on the map that nobody would even know about if it wasn’t for your constant news coverage of the great “Big Threat”?
    Are we villainizing a religion that promotes stoning women and children to death and hanging gays? Wouldn’t it be more tolerant of us to just adopt these practices here in America? You know: to show that we don’t blame all Muslims for what happened on Sept. 11th, their Holy Day. It’s a day for Muslim sensitivity, Muslim education, and Muslim honor.

  • Richard W Hilger

    Let me say, at the beginning, that I have belief in, as 12 Steps says, “a higher power”, “a power greater than ourselves.” I consider myself highly spiritual and have striven to lead a good life. That said, oh, for a world without religion! Religion is and has been the cause of more intolerance, more hatred, more violence more strife, more human arrogance than any other concoction man has fashioned. And it is man-fashioned. All religion is created by people in a vain attempt to define the supernatural. As natural beings, this is a procedure akin to a room full of kindergarten children attempting to discuss quantum physics. They may have the desire to do it, but they are not equipped with the ability. Religion fashions God (or whatever name is applied to this infinite, supernatural entity) in man’s own image. The books that support his religions are all written by people. Trace all religions back, as close to their origins as you can travel, and you will find people inventing precepts and claiming they are divine. This is hubris, as the ancient Greeks told us, that offends the gods and look at the mess it has created over the ages. Religion employs the image of God as a fabricated excuse to advance human agendas ripe with self-righteous hauteur and makes a virtue of stating as a “truth” things that cannot be empirically known. As long as morally frail people can camoflauge their arrogance and ignorance as “God’s Word” there is no hope for tolerance on our planet.

  • TOMMY FREEDOM

    TWISTED MIND & VALUES, A MAN BURNS A SMALL BOOK, OK

    TERRORISTS DESTROY 2 HUGE BUILDINGS AND 3,000 SOULS.

    PEOPLE ARE OUTRAGED ABOUT THE BOOK, ARE YOU SICK ???

  • Marcus

    It is NOT the Radical Muslims who are misinterpreting the Quran; it is the peaceful Muslims who turn their back on what the Quran teaches. The Quran teaches Muslims to conquer all which is non-Muslim. The Quran specifically teaches to behead non-Muslims or force them to convert to Islam or pay a “Head Tax” (which, literally, is a tax to keep your head connected to your body). Sadly, it is the Muslim Terrorist who is correctly practicing Islam, NOT those peaceful Muslim friends of yours. Your friends will NOT slit your throat, but they WILL cheer when another Muslim does it. There were Muslims dancing in celebration on Sep 11 (news video footage from Florida) the instant they found out it was Muslims who flew the planes into the Twin Towers….THE SAME DAY….AND IN THE SAME COUNTRY!!!

    Islam is a world domination movement disguised as a religion. As such, Islam must be stopped. Islam must be destroyed. As long as one person lives that practices this evil philosophy, cowardly hiding in plain sight by posing as a religion, no one is safe. Islam must be eradicated from the Human Population. If we do not, they will surely attempt to do the same to us, and entirely without any further provocation than their alleged religion.

    If we do nothing, History will look back in astonishment. Future generations will ask why those who had the most to lose, did the least to stop the Holocaust. And those future generations may very well have to specify which Holocaust they refer to in conversation, the 20th Century one or the 21st Century one. For if we do nothing to stop them, they have already stated their intentions. A 2nd Holocaust, to include all Non-Muslims, is their clear, stated goal.

    I am NOT calling for the extermination of non-violent Muslims. They should be forced to convert (as they would do to us, given the chance). For the violent Muslims, who would and have attacked us, I indeed AM calling for their total extermination.

    And before you spout off with some nonsense… think for just one moment, would you have said that same nonsense about the Japanese on Dec 8, 1941?(the day after Pearl Harbor) Maybe we provoked that attack too. Maybe we should’ve just rolled over and let the Axis win, especially considering all the peaceful Japanese and Germans who were living here at the time. We put them all (the Japanese Americans) in Concentration Camps! And I believe that was wrong, but not so horrible a mistake that we should try to correct it by giving this Great Nation away to a different enemy now.

    Censeo Islam esse delendum. Islam delenda est!

    -Marcus Evans
    Former Army Paratrooper

  • zapdam

    just under 3000 people died on 911 in the terrorist attacks. america declared 2 wars. 2 trillion dollars later still 2 wars in progress and 800 thousand dead but saved iraqis..in 2006 thirty thousand americans died of gunshot in america. since 911 two hundred thousand americans have died of gunshot in america. thats more than all americans killed in the korean war,vietnam, first iraq war, second iraq war, afghanistan war combined. where’s the outrage. lets go and hate another mosque. hate some more muslims.. helps you forget the carnage on american streets.

  • joe from louisiana

    Bernie,
    You touched on it but didn’t fully elaborate. The curiousity of this is not whether the preacher is wrong. It is the media’s ability to incite and filter what we read and hear. We were told the NBPP was irrelevant and that is the reason all of their rabble rousing got so little publicity. Yet a goofy preacher from Florida with a congregation of 20 is large news. The hypocritical propaganda is hilarious but sadly it works. They wonder why 11 people watch MSNBC.

  • http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ Wil Burns

    Hey Bernie, Even Bill O’Reilly is getting tired of your silly rants, How sad! What?? I’m banned again!

    • Ron Kean

      Actually, Bernie got the best of Bill. O’Reilly mentioned something about the arab street disliking America for possibly something we had done, Bernie used a subtle put down.

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  • TOMMY FREEDOM

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    • http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ Wil Burns

      DARRELL ISSA is a fine man? It who’s world?

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  • TOMMY FREEDOM

    HEY BERNIE, THANKS FOR CORRECTING BILL TONITE. GREAT JOB

    I AM TIRED OF EVERYONE TRASHING TERRY JONES, THE GREAT IMAM

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    DEFENSE, NO ONE MENTIONS THESE FINE CITIZENS ! !

  • EddieD_Boston

    Two points…

    1. A minister wants to burn the Koran and the religion of peace gang wants to kill him. Hmmmmmmm

    2. Still waiting for the Muslim world to enter the 21st century.

    • Bruce A.

      Sorry Ed, it will be a very long wait. The Muslim world has not even caught up with the backwards part of the world.

  • Anarchocapitalist

    Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. The idiot pastor has every right to burn Korans as the Iman has the right to build the COMMUNITY CENTER NEAR Ground Zero (its not on Ground Zero and it isn’t strictly a mosque). What Neo-Conservatives and liberals alike have turned these issues into is disgusting. The fact of the matter is, and I know many conservatives hate hearing it, is that our foreign policy has perpetuated the kind of hatred that radical Islam has against this country. We funded Osama bin Laden in the 1980′s and essentially trained the Taliban thanks to the CIA. This is fact and no amount of nationalistic rhetoric changes it. I am not anti-troops, I am anti-state and anti-military. War is the health of the state, and for all of you that claim to dislike the government, you shouldn’t support idiotic endeavours into the Middle East to try and create “democracy” Trade and commerce promotes peace, not bullying. The only person that seems to understand this in Congress is Ron Paul but the chances that he becomes president is greatly decreased because neo-cons support war which in turn empowers the government they claim to not like. The time has come to end the reign of the Federal Reserve which funds the Democrats pathetic welfare programs and the Republicans foreign intervention. Dems and Republicans are both the party of big government, and I can only pray that some of the Tea Party endorsed candidates really do want to limit the role of government. I have my doubts though.
    R.I.P. the victims of 9/11 and our civil liberties that were eradicated after the tragic

    • Voice of Reason

      Somewhere, just a few inches below the surface of the sand, is a small pocket of air where your head used to be. It’s beckoning you…come home…come home…

  • CCNV

    For some strange reason, this article reminded me of 1979, when Iran took US citizens hostage for 444 days. Remember all the t-shirts with Ayatollah Khomeini’s face in the middle of a target? (insert chuckle) We all had them, or knew someone who had one. The US was NOT threatened with “or else” over a silly t-shirt. And even though it was horrible for the US hostages to have to endure captivity (not to mention the failed rescue attempts and loss of American military personnel), amazingly, the hostages were released within minutes of Ronald Reagan being sworn in as President. I hope and pray our next president has a spine, and will stand up proudly for the United States against all who terrorize the world.

  • http://www.blurb.com/user/store/DanFarfan Dan Farfan

    “Eugene Robinson, one of the many liberal columnists at the Washington Post said: We all know you can’t shout fire in a crowded theater and this is pretty much the same thing.”

    One thing that never ceases to amaze me is how (so-called) discussion about issues such as these yields so much heat and so little light.

    Consider Robinson’s seemingly simple statement, probably unanalyzed at the time it was made. One part at a time…

    part 1) “We all know”
    part 2) , “… you can’t shout fire in a crowded theater….”

    Actually, Robinson clearly doesn’t “understand” either the First Amendment or the principle of the crowded theater exception. He’s heard of it. “We all” have. But as Robinson’s misstatement and misuse of it clearly demonstrates, one doesn’t have to understand a concept in order to think they “know.”

    Yes, you CAN shout fire in a crowded theater, IF it’s on FIRE. The key principle brought to light by the famous exception is that creating panic in a crowd with a falsehood is fraudulent and dangerous, not just free speech. Thus, the harm the speech brings to the “many” (i.e. the movie-going crowd) outweighs the good of the speech being free for the “one” (i.e. the speaker) in the first place. It’s free speech, not free truth, not free praise, not free compliment, not free cookies

    part 3) “…and this is pretty much the same thing.”
    Shockingly lack of penetrating analysis aside (“pretty much”?), let’s look at the elements head to head.

    Fire: People react to a lie.
    Koran: People react to an insult.
    verdict: NOT similar

    Fire: People become fearful.
    Koran: People become angry.
    verdict: NOT similar

    Fire: people panic to save their own lives from (perceived) present danger.
    Koran: people voluntarily leave the safety of their homes/offices/fields to join a mob to riot in protest.
    verdict: NOT similar

    Fire: something bad might happen during the reaction
    Koran: something bad might happen during the reaction
    verdict: similar.

    So, one out of four. Does that constitute “pretty much”? Seems to me, “pretty much” should be half or more, not less than half. But Robinson’s shallow analysis aside, look deeper into the validity and vagaries of the item that’s similar. It’s so broad, if you believe it’s valid, then you must accept the assessment that the printing those infamous cartoons was “pretty much the same thing” as shouting fire in a crowded theater. And you must also accept that fear and anger are “pretty much” the same thing, and that a lie and an insult are “pretty much” the same thing and (the final stroke of nonsense) you must accept that choice and not choice are “pretty much” the same thing. (How many millions have been spent to trick the public that abortion is about choice? Oh yes, and ‘Winston tastes good like a cigarette should.’ #justsaying)

    If when gibberish’s true colors were shown so clearly, thinking people changed the TV channel… wait, never mind, that already does happen.

    Dan
    - “The Next 10 Amendments”

  • Terence Craig

    Richard, your point was made in another thread and I’ll repeat, it’s not an issue if Bernard Goldberg has the authority or right to inhibit speech on HIS website, this is an issue concerning HIS rules and whether or not they were broken. But really, if one of his keywords is “media bias,” would he want to inhibit free speech on his own website?

    Your analogy about a phone call is a non-starter. I didn’t go on O’Reilly telling people to call me and my phone is not a public forum.

    This website has some set rules; I’ve been banned and violated NO rules. I’ve asked Administration repeatedly to review this situation (with no response.) If I try to log in, a message appears that I’ve been banned and to contact administration, well … that’s what I’m doing, E-MAIL ME ADMINISTRATION! – tell me why your moderator has banned me without consulting the rules.

    I have my facts straight Richard, maybe YOU can tell me what rule was broken.

    There’s a Lawless Moderator on this board, not a feather in your cap Mr. Goldberg.

    • Ron Kean

      Who are you to make demands here? Probably you were booted for the same way you’re acting now. You’re annoying.

      Your contrary behavior is combative and demanding. It would be boring if it was’t so insulting. Go away. You’re spoiling the party.

      • Terence Craig

        Ron Kean, I’m sorry I’m upsetting you and offending your sensitive nature. You should understand that I’m trying to reach Administration and there doesn’t seem to be anyone at the controls. What if you had a question, would you want to get a response?

        Since my requests are not directed at you, why do you even bother reading what I’ve written, simply skip over it.

        If you really want rid of me, send a message to Administration to review and respond to my request, maybe they’ll agree to uphold a nonsense banning. If they send a confirming e-mail, I’ll leave freely.

        Again, I’m sorry to hurt your feelings and infringe on your “party.”

        Have a great day,
        Terence

        • Ron Kean

          The only message I want to send the Administration is to boot you. I demand it! I demand that somebody acknowledge my demand!

          I never understood why with so many sites out there, people like you come to sites that anger them. If I don’t like something about a site, I don’t go back there. I used to like LGF but now, rather than be angry at Charles, I just don’t go there. And he’s the king of booting people.

          Try not coming back here. You might feel better. From what I can tell, it was not a nonsense banning.

          • Terence Craig

            Who ever said this site angers me, the only thing that bothers me is the sham of a moderator that is embarrassing Bernard Goldberg.

            So what is your take on why my banning was justified? This ought to be good.

          • CCNV

            Dems and Libs are like cockroaches when the light is turned on. They are scrambling for every nook and cranny to hide in before the November “RAID”.

          • Terence Craig

            Several days and I’m hearing crickets rather than Ron Kean with a response to my question.

            Thanks for reinforcing my point.

        • Voice of Reason
    • http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ Wil Burns

      Terence, The rules are, you must agree with everything Bernie says. Period! Just as the rest of his toadies do, here in this forum. Got it?

      • Terence Craig

        Yes Wil, I’m beginning to think that is the case, Heaven forbid someone would have an independent thought.

        • Jeffreydan

          Terence,

          In all honesty, as much as I respect Billy, I don’t see how anything you said should’ve resulted in a ban. It matters more to me now, seeing the stand you’re taking to this day and what appears to my uneducated eye to be a slow response from the powers that be.
          For what it’s worth, I plan on sending a PM to Billy on this subject, if you don’t object.

          Regarding Wil, he is absolutely correct, that this site requires agreement with Bernie on everything. Wait…that isn’t entirely accurate; Wil has actually submitted NOT A SINGLE COMMENT that agreed with Bernie, apparently since longer than I’ve been reading the articles here. In fact, it appears that his visits here are for some perverse compulsion to throw petty insults at others, followed by a hasty exit once he’s challenged with facts and logic. He was banned for 2 weeks by Bernie himself not long ago, for falsely claiming the latter made a certain statement (ignoring a previous warning.)

          I wouldn’t expect anyone to accept others dishonestly putting words in his mouth in this situation, just as I wouldn’t agree with banning Wil if all he did around here was post childish comments.

          • Cap’n Billy

            No need to bother, JD. He will stay banned, for at least as long as I’m a moderator on that forum, and his conduct since then has only validated my decision.

          • Terence Craig

            Thank you Jeffreydan, it’s appreciated, I think it’s sad … we had some good exchanges (but at times we reached common ground) and I was banned for absolutely nothing.

            You probably never saw my final post that was deleted by the good Captain but I thanked those like yourself for the healthy dialog and that I never took any remarks personal … even from ScottT. :)

            Sometimes, some people can’t take a step back and realize they’ve made a mistake or simply take things too personal.

            Take care of yourself

            regards,
            Terence

  • Ron Kean

    By not burning the Korans, Islam has scored a victory. We will submit.

    But if there’s a backlash against the President, the next in his shoes may act very differently.

    I strongly dislike the way many Muslims treat women, Christians and Jews. I’m for reciprocity.

    And I’m Islamaphobic. I think they want to kill me.

  • T

    Mr. G,

    I’d ask you t address this question: Why must we tolerate burning the American flag (or Bill Ayers with it underfoot) but we should not tolerate burning a Koran?

    If the answer is because it’s inciteful, does that mean if burning the flag would incite Americans to riot and kill then it would NOT be okay to burn the flag?

    I’m no fan of book burning and a big supporter of the 1st Amendment. Still, I say it would be good to see a couple of Korans burned and publicity to go along with it. Radical Islamists have, for too long, gotten away with acting like school yard bullies, and we have been afraid to :”punch them in the nose” to show them we do not fear them. Or is it that we do indeed fear them ?

    • http://www.cyberquill.com Peter G

      We should tolerate as well as deplore and condemn the burning of both … oh, did you mean the other Mr. G?

      • T

        Indeed I did, but I agree with your response nonetheless.

        Sometimes (hopefully rarely) a despicable act needs to be answered in kind just to let your opponent know that you are willing to respond in that manner. T

        The threat of violence only works if your opponent thinks/knows you will use it. That is why Islamist radicals have gotten their way for too long; they know the west will not respond in kind. You can’t credibly battle an opponent who would behead you simply by threatening to throw them in prison for life.

  • http://www.cyberquill.com Peter G

    From “A Few Good Men”:

    Col. Jessep (Jack Nicholson): I thought his life might be in danger:

    Lt. Kaffee (Tom Cruise): Great danger?

    Colonel Jessep: Is there another kind?

    The worry that anyone’s actions may jeopardize American troops seems redundant. American troops are in danger because they’re over there in the first place, and the Islamists don’t want them there. I’m not sure there’s a meaningful distinction between our troops being in danger or our troops being in even more danger.

    Their enemies want to kill them. Doesn’t get any more dangerous than that.

    Also, I wonder how much measurable difference it would have made had the nutty pastor gone through with his plan to burn the Korans, as his announcement alone sufficed to trigger riots in the streets.

    Why bother drawing a cartoon if you can achieve the same effect simply by threatening to draw one?

    Speaking of making no difference, you wrote a column about this pastor and you posted his picture. A picture says more than a thousand words. I don’t see how mentioning his name would have pushed the needle of your “respect” meter for this man into the intolerable range.

    • Robert Jones

      Excellent points. I understand respect for others or turning the other cheek but most Americas do not understand how other cultures of the world perceive our culture. Many consider our actions as weak and therefore have no respect for us which is also why they believe they can attack us and know we will not respond.

  • KrisL

    The more I learn, the more I understand why moderate Muslims don’t speak out so much about the wackos. They’re afraid to. And it seems like they have good reason to be scared.

  • Kathie Ampela

    I don’t want to hear about the Koran burning nut in Florida. If the media would ignore this guy, we would have never heard of him in the first place. Because of the attention paid to this “Koran burning” fool, our troops in Afghanistan are put in danger. Today is the 9th anniversary of 9/11/01. I would like to take this opportunity to thank Big Media for their biases, distortions and misinformation. They have done more to smear George Bush’s reputation, endanger our troops, undermine the war effort in 2 countries and bitterly divide this nation than any other group except for certain politicians. Their actions have inspired me to pay closer attention, get involved and post comments in forums like this one. Like the story of David and Goliath, it will be the “little people” who ultimately bring down the Big Media monolith.

    • Ron Kean

      Good for you.

      • Anarchocapitalist

        Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. The idiot pastor has every right to burn Korans as the Iman has the right to build the COMMUNITY CENTER NEAR Ground Zero (its not on Ground Zero and it isn’t strictly a mosque). What Neo-Conservatives and liberals alike have turned these issues into is disgusting. The fact of the matter is, and I know many conservatives hate hearing it, is that our foreign policy has perpetuated the kind of hatred that radical Islam has against this country. We funded Osama bin Laden in the 1980′s and essentially trained the Taliban thanks to the CIA. This is fact and no amount of nationalistic rhetoric changes it. I am not anti-troops, I am anti-state and anti-military. War is the health of the state, and for all of you that claim to dislike the government, you shouldn’t support idiotic endeavours into the Middle East to try and create “democracy” Trade and commerce promotes peace, not bullying. The only person that seems to understand this in Congress is Ron Paul but the chances that he becomes president is greatly decreased because neo-cons support war which in turn empowers the government they claim to not like. The time has come to end the reign of the Federal Reserve which funds the Democrats pathetic welfare programs and the Republicans foreign intervention. Dems and Republicans are both the party of big government, and I can only pray that some of the Tea Party endorsed candidates really do want to limit the role of government. I have my doubts though.
        R.I.P. the victims of 9/11 and our civil liberties that were eradicated after the tragic incident.

  • Ken Besig, Israel

    Isn’t blaming the preacher in Florida who threatened to burn a Koran for possible Islamic anti American violence a little like blaming a woman who wore a short dress for getting raped?

    And isn’t assuming that Moslems will invariably react with violence to this act a form of the soft bigotry of low expectations?

    Have Moslems ever really needed a reason to attack America?

  • http://www.bigbureaucracy.com/ Ellie Velinska

    Americans should stop waiting for the politicians to fix things. The pastor’s and the imam’s friends and neighbors should stop them from burning Korans and building a mosque on Ground Zero.

    Blaming Obama, republicans or any other politicians is shifting the blame.

    I am asking: where are the fair mined neighbors and friends to convince the pastor and the imam to do the right thing?

    It is We the People not He the President who have to debate, negotiate and come up with solutions on how do we live together and make our union more perfect.

    • CCNV

      I believe the Imam could move the mosque, but is now of the mindset to ‘divide and conquer’…period. So far, so goo.

      • CCNV

        I meant “good”. Or, maybe goo is the correct word after all.

    • http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ Wil Burns

      Ellie, All of Manhattan was inside the blast zone–remember the clouds? Should we just ban anyone who is not Christian from Manhattan? Since, of course, ALL the people killed in 9-11 and ALL the people’s families are Christian…right?
      ———————-
      2. It’s not even at Ground Zero !

      3. There is already an Islamic Community Center 4 blocks away, this would be 2 blocks away from one corner of the giant hole. + There’s over 100 Mosques already in NYC.

      4. This is closer to an Islamic YMCA/Chef school than anything, with a swimming pool, basketball court, auditorium, culinary center and yes a prayer room.

      5. There is already a strip club and a sex toy shop 2 blocks from the “sacred” ground zero. Plus liquor stores and a peep show …

      http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/16/2010-08-16_a_sea_of_filth_near_ground_zer0_mosque_gets_all_the_press_but_porns_around_corne.html#ixzz0wpmc8VYR

      6. There are Christian churches in Hiroshima & Nagasaki, cities nuked by Christians.

      7. Timothy McVeigh was raised as a Christian … why not ban all Churches in Oklahoma City then?

      8. Even Tehran, Iran allows for Synagogues to be built, and in fact has 4 of them!

      9. WTC # 2 actually had a Muslim prayer room in it, and Muslims died on 9/11 in the towers as well

      10. The Pentagon (also attacked on 9/11) has had in Mosque within its walls since 9/11 – for Muslims who work in the Pentagon …

      • Terence Craig

        All good points Wil, under Bush they would have been relevant, now … not so much.

      • Stephen Shields

        6. Hiroshama and Nagaski were not bombed in the name of God. The World Trade Center and the Pentagon were targets of a Jihad in the name of Allah. There is a huge difference.

        7. Timothy McVeigh bombed the federal building in direct response to the events in Waco, Texas. He was a Branch Davidian and a follower of David Koresh. The Branch Dividians were a cult very loosely based off of a criminally insane man’s interpretation of the Bible.

        I personally don’t have a problem with there being a Mosque built near”ground zero.” I can, however, see why people would be offended.

  • Anne in Texas

    In my opinion the news media is the reason we have such distortion of the truth concerning events. Especially the left wing media. So many Americans are busy working & raising a family they don’t have time to dig out the real truth. They turn on their TVs at the end of the day & believe what they hear. Shame on New York’s mayor and those that follow his thinking. Stand up and be Americans and be fearless in protecting OUR rights. Muslims whether spoken or unspoken desire to strip us of OUR rights and enforce theirs on us.

  • Buz Chertok

    A bunch of Moslem men conspired against America and everything that it was, is and ever will be and successfully killed 3000 people in the name of Islam. Moslems all over the world rejoiced over their success and their religeous leaders expressed their approval by their total lack of public expression of disapproval of that atrocity. It is a lasting tribute to the American people that they did not blindly lash out against the Moslems in the country that the vast majority of the Moslem community evidently does not agree with. By harping on the legality of such construction, the president and all of our political leaders demonstrate their naivete regarding the negative reaction to the ground zero mosque. Absolutely nobody who resents the building is concerned with the legality. Basically they consider the building as proof that the Islamic community not only approved of the destruction but are utilizing our constitution as the means to celibrate it. If the Islamic community together with their idiotic liberal friends in the media had an ounce of common sense they would think about the expression “let sleeping dogs lie” because this insensitive plan to build an Islamic center could touch off a horrible reaction that has been smouldering for almost 10 years. There aren’t enough police or soldiers to suppress an outraged mob of millions especially if the police and soldiers are part of the mob and, unfortunately, that is what this thing could lead to.

  • Shaune

    Muslims who represent no threat to others are apparently silenced by those Islamists who belong to the Church of Perpetual Offense. They live to be offended; they live to find an excuse for their outrageous behavior; they live to demand others’ capitulation to their demands that everyone else respect their religion. However, their double standard is repeatedly and glaringly obvious. These same Islamists have desecrated and disrespected the religions and sacred objects of other faiths. A case in point: the takeover of the Church of the Nativity by a group of Muslims several years ago. Where was the outrage when they destroyed the church’s interior and defiled the Eucharist? What? What sound was that? Oh–it was the sound of deafening silence. After all, everyone but Islamists are supposed to turn the other cheek.

  • cysusa

    Interesting that some of these voices are calling for the President to shut this ‘pastor’ down for possibly putting troops in danger. Where were these people when Wikileaks was publishing classified information? Hmm, releasing of classified information that named Afghans helping the troops – putting them (and others) in direct peril didn’t get them raging about shutting that site down. Seems their outrage is selective. Par for course.

  • Ed De Cosmo

    The liberal elitists in control of Washington at the moment would deny freedom of speech to those who are too stupid to agree with them. Hugo Chavez takes over the newspapers and broadcast stations in Caracas that fail to recognize his brilliance.
    So … who are the real dummies here??

  • Terence Craig

    That’s great, your standing up for free speech, maybe you could explain why free speech is not allowed on your website.

    I was banned for nothing and your moderator tried to drag out a three-month-old incident out as the reason for the ban.

    You should get your own house in order before you comment on free speech elsewhere.

    Please review the “We The People Said No To This Health Care Bill!” thread (in the discussion forum) and send a confirming e-mail that you agree with the ban.

    A response from administration is all I ask.

    p.s. love your segments on O’Reilly.

    • Richard

      Terence, Terence, Terence,

      Get your facts straight. This website belongs to Mr. Goldberg and therefore has the right to reject or accept any form of speech. Please tell me you are intelligent enough to know the difference. Suppose I call your house just to give you my opinion. Following your logic, when you hang up on me, you just violated my right to Free Speech.
      That being said, Welcome back and I am glad you got through.

    • Ron Kean

      Git outta here. Bother somebody else.

      • Terence Craig

        Richard, your point was made in another thread and I’ll repeat, this is not an issue if Bernard Goldberg has the authority or right to inhibit speech on HIS website, this is an issue concerning HIS rules and whether or not they were broken. But really, if one of his keywords is “media bias,” would he want to inhibit free speech on his own website?

        Your analogy about a phone call is a non-starter. I didn’t go on O’Reilly telling people to call me and my phone is not a public forum.

        This website has some set rules; I’ve been banned and violated NO rules. I’ve asked Administration repeatedly to review this situation (with no response.) If I try to log in, a message appears that I’ve been banned and to contact administration, well … that’s what I’m doing, E-MAIL ME ADMINISTRATION! – tell me why your moderator has banned me without consulting the rules.

        I have my facts straight Richard, maybe YOU can tell me what rule was broken.

        There’s a Lawless Moderator on this board, not a feather in your cap Mr. Goldberg.

  • Doug Fenton

    When analyzing the Koran burning threat to the actual American flag burning by leftist radicals, the only difference I can discern is how the media portrays both despicable acts. Both actions are planned to gain attention by offending the principles and values of people with whom they disagree. The establishment media has always sided with the leftist flag burners and portrayed them as loyal Americans doing a civic duty by expressing their feelings with constitutionally guaranteed free speech, while ignoring the deeply held pro-flag sentiments held my the vast majority of Americans who are deeply offended. This pastor is portrayed as an un-American buffoon for doing precisely the same thing.

    When Mayor Giuliani confronted the museum that was displaying deeply offensive anti-Christian art with dung on sacred images, the New York Times and others who now condemn this anti-Muslim burning threat took the side of the insulting artist. Why they seem to support offending Christianity and condemn offending Islam can only be explained by bias.

    If this jerk in Florida burned a Koran, and no media outlet showed up, no one would know or care. It is the media fascination with jerks and turds that creates these problems.

  • CCNV

    Eating pork will incite violence. Having a Bible will incite violence. Owning a gun will incite violence. Women not wearing a burqa will incite violence. The American flag will incite violence. Being American will incite violence. See how stupid that sounds? What American right will that silly Imam use against us next? Anne in Texas hit it right on the head: ‘Wake up America before it’s too late!”

  • Jeffreydan

    But whatever you do, don’t shut down any war protesters who say we have no business being over there liberating an oppressed people.

    Certainly don’t put a muzzle on an American politician who declares “this war is lost” while we’re in the thick of battle.

    And by no means should the publisher of a widely-read newspaper get any kind of response from the federal government when he reveals important information about our terrorist-tracking methods on the front page.

    See, those types of things would NEVER embolden the enemy.

    See, stuff like this in no way could embolden

    • Jeffreydan

      D’oh! Forgot to remove the original draft of the last sentence. ; /

  • Bruce A.

    Liberals are always unhinged.

  • Terry Walbert

    The kvetching by the liberal elite on this and other questions just shows how little credibility they have since their monopooly on news commentary ended.

  • Anne in Texas

    Just another note: The minister that wants to burn the Koran does not represent Christians.I disagree with him & with the Muslims. We should all pray that those things which are hidden will be uncovered & brought to light.

    • Stephen Shields

      Well said. That pastor is abusing his position to push through a distorted political agenda. That sounds a lot like a certain occupant of the White House.

  • Anne in Texas

    I can burn your American flag & I can kill your citizens but don’t you dare disagree with me or burn our Koran. Something just seems wrong to me. Americans need some guts (including our president) to stand up to the Muslims. They want to live in America to have our good way of life but don’t want to abide by our laws. They preach that we American should be more tolerant. They should practice what they preach & build their mosque some where else. The Bible says that we should not only speak the Word but be doers of the Word. People mock Christians & paint ugly pictures of Jesus but we don’t riot & kill because of it. Wake up America before it’s too late!