Mr. Obama’s Handy Bogeymen

FaultIn a recent interview with the New Yorker magazine President Obama did what he often does when his approval ratings drop:  He went after Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

Here’s what he said:

“… there is a Republican base of voters for whom compromise with me is a betrayal. And that — more than anything, I think — has been the challenge that I’ve needed to overcome.

“Another way of putting it, I guess, is that the issue has been the inability of my message to penetrate the Republican base so that they feel persuaded that I’m not the caricature that you see on Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, but I’m somebody who is interested in solving problems and is pretty practical, and that, actually, a lot of the things that we’ve put in place worked better than people might think.

“And as long as there’s that gap between perceptions of me within the average Republican primary voter and the reality, it’s hard for folks like John Boehner to move too far in my direction.”

What he left out, of course, is that he has a pretty crummy history of reaching out to the other side himself.  This is the president who has been fond of telling his opponents, Hey, I won.”

But he is right about some things – to a point.  Some Tea Party Republicans in the House would never agree with the president – about anything … ever.  And compromise with the president would be seen as “betrayal.”

So let’s give Mr. Obama that.  And let’s acknowledge there are some in conservative media who wouldn’t give Mr. Obama credit if he came up with a cure for cancer.

So he’s not simply making stuff up.

But let’s go back to the beginning, after he won his party’s nomination for president in 2008.

Barack Obama, you may recall delivered his acceptance speech standing in front of Greek columns, presumably to show off his supposed greatness.  Greek columns! What politician outside of Athens does that?

Then he told us that his presidency would slow the rise of the oceans and heal the planet.  That’s not a lift from Saturday Night Live.  He really said that.

And in his last presidential campaign, his aides reportedly referred to him as the Black Jesus.

What a guy!  A regular messiah!  Yet we’re supposed to believe this great man with the talent and charisma to slow the rise of the oceans and heal the planet, is the hapless victim of a cable news channel and a radio talk show host?  The most powerful man on the planet in possession of the biggest megaphone is being turned in to a caricature by Fox and Limbaugh?

A few facts:

Fox News didn’t roll out ObamaCare.

Rush didn’t create the mess in Benghazi.

Neither Fox nor Rush told the IRS to target conservative organizations.

The Obama administration is responsible for all of that.  Fox didn’t turn the president into a caricature of the real Barack Obama.  Barack Obama did.

The president has gone to war with Fox at least a half dozen times since he took office.  He’ll do it again before he leaves.  Every politician needs a boogeyman to explain away his failures.  And in Barack Obama we have a politician who is very good at looking out at the crowd and campaigning, but not very good at looking in, at his weaknesses.

The fault is rarely in our stars – even if their names are Limbaugh and Hannity – but more often than not, in ourselves, Mr. President.

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  • Rose

    Fun to see some of the ads that appear on this site for “silver” cruises, mortgage relief — and a gay dating site.

  • Rose

    Remember when Obama said he looked into Putin’s eyes and saw a trust-worthy chap? Oh, wait, that was George W.

  • Rose

    McCain just said this started when George W. Let Putin have Georgia.

  • Rose

    Now rooting Tooting Lindsay Graham, who is about to lose an election in his state, is ready to saddle up and play Yosemite Sam with Putin. What a joke. That little turkey is about as tough as a powderpuff.

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      Good point. Obama comes across as having SO much more credibility. lol.

      • Rose

        Graham is aiding and abetting the enemy by broadcasting around the world that our country will do nothing. All of these cable shows are seen in every corner of the globe, from Saudi Arabia to Ukraine, Europe to Beijing. CNN, Fox, MSNBC are global and far-reaching. congrats to Graham and others in the disloyal opposition for putting personal politics ahead of national interests and giving Putin encouragement.

  • Rose

    Fox worked like dogs to defeat Obama twice and could not get the job done. They preach to the choir but have zero ability to persuade voters to change. They ranted against the ACA and did not get it defeated. Benghazi has gone nowhere, and they wasted a ton of time and energy on their stupid birther stories. They get right wing nuts all stirred up, but they win no converts to their cause. Now they are hiring all sorts of blacks and Hispanics and women trying to appear more diverse and inclusive, which will cost them with the old white fart support.

  • Independent Cuss

    Can’t say O’Reilly appeals to me. He got in trouble with that phone sex. Hypicrit. He’s a smart ass pardon my French. Like Shepard and Bret better. Wish Fox would get some smart women. All seem like airheads even the ones with education. Talking heads just yap yap yap don’t listen much. Dana listens.

    • Rose

      Yeah, remember when O’Reilly was talking dirty to the girl in the shower and got loofa mixed up with falafel. What a hoot! But the morally superior crowd forgave him, just as they forgave Fat Rush for being an OxyContin addict and. Womanizer. So much for their moral high road.

  • Independent Cuss

    I watch all the channels, everybody from Bret B. And Shepard to Joe and Mika and CNN, Diane Sawyer. Fox gets best ratings cuz all the right goes there all the time. The left divides among the others. Independents sample them all. Fox is not the powerful really. The fight against things but don’t win, tried to get BO defeated but couldn’t twice, fought against the ACA but it got passed, tried to keep the birther thing going failed, now on Benghazi too much. Fox has its place but it’s not that influential. Makes a good foil for BO.

    • Rose

      Exactly. All ditto headed right wingers flick to Faux News. We more independent thinkers look at a variety of news programs, web sites, newspapers and magazines. I also agree that Fox has the power to make money for themselves but zero influence. Obama has nothing to fear from Fox.

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        >>We more independent thinkers…

        HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

        • Rose

          Faux laughter from a Faux News junky. Is that what Hannity and O’Reilly tell you to do when you are stumped.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Rose, you claiming to be an independent thinker is like Anthony Weiner claiming to be a responsible Internet user. All you do is parrot Chris Matthews. That takes NO thought.

  • SemperFi1946

    Why is 1 TV channel such a threat to the Left? Do they really want no opposing views or diversity of thought in our society? We all know how well 1 party rule and mind control has worked historically These people evidently do not see themselves as “useful idiots” for the Democrats!

  • IRVINE SWARTZ

    YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD, MR G.

  • AbdullahtheButcher

    Big Brother had Emmanuel Goldstein, while Big Loser had Rush Limbaugh. Funny how life imitates art, isn’t it?

  • username144

    The issue with compromise is that people don’t trust democrats to hold up their end of the bargain. Look at immigration reform from the ’80s. We were promised border security in exchange for amnesty. We got the amnesty but never got border security. Same thing when we were promised spending cuts in exchange for higher taxes. We got higher taxes yet the spending cuts never came.

    • legal eagle

      The 80′s are over…moron..

  • Sam

    Spot on Bernie, you always seen to have the ring truth because you are willing to criticize whomever’s at fault. That’s is what I find interesting.

  • Brian Stover

    Hugo Chavez also bypassed his legislature. How’s that working out for Venezuela?

    • legal eagle

      Why don’t you move there and find out…You probably don’t have a pot to piss in anyway…

      • Brian Stover

        Please take your meds. You’ll feel much better.

        • AbdullahtheButcher

          Ignore legal turkey. He’s probably off his meds tonight.

  • Seattle Sam

    It is difficult for someone of superhuman abilities to even entertain the notion that he has erred — let alone have someone actually voice it in public. I don’t imagine the emperor was at all pleased with the little boy who pointed out that he had no clothes either.

  • digitalPimple

    If only a news station would stop reporting on the happenings at the WH no one would ever know. Duh..

  • Concernedmimi

    O’Reilly should have asked Obama ‘which is it you believe in Mr. President? COLLECTIVISM OR INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY? Sounds like Obama wants to switch up for political purposes and claim he believes in the latter, this time around. Prime example of democrat hypocrisy and political foolery.

  • Tim Ned

    I see that the boogeymen, namely O’Reilly and Fox, were prevalent in today’s Super Bowl interview as the President referred to them on a few occasions.

    As for compromise, I am trying to locate one issue, however small, that was a Republican initiative that this President agreed with and supported? I’m at a loss. Maybe someone else can name one.

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      I suppose you could point to Bush’s domestic surveillance programs… which Obama excoriated as a candidate then adopted once he took office. Beyond that, I can’t think of one either.

      • tim ned

        We could probably also point to homeland security, using a surge in Afghanistan, that he voted against in Iraq as a senator. But from a legislation standpoint, I can’t find any.

      • legal eagle

        How about the surge in Afghanistan? How about the tax cuts in the stimulus bill? How about cutting discretionary domestic spending?

    • legal eagle

      Ailes and O’Reilly channel the white backlash in a country trying to become a multiracial democracy. That’s scary ….Fox News bitching about the Coke commercial is the best example of their buffoonery…

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        >>Ailes and O’Reilly channel the white backlash in a country trying to become a multiracial democracy. That’s scary

        Or so Chris Matthews has told you.

        >>Fox News bitching about the Coke commercial is the best example of their buffoonery..

        Who on Fox News bitched about it?

        • legal eagle

          It was debated on “the Five”…..

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Yes. DEBATED…with opposing thoughts on the topic. Which means that “Fox News” didn’t “bitch about it.”

            Thanks for discrediting yourself. You’re great at that.

          • legal eagle

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            2 days ago – Fox News commentator Todd Starnes doesn’t like hearing foreign languages … The ad even inspired a #BoycottCoke hashtag on Twitter and …

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Nonsensical.

          • legal eagle

            Commentary columnist and former Reagan and Bush official Peter Wehner castigated conservative commentators like Glenn Beck and Eric Bolling for their adverse reaction to Coca Cola’s multilingual Super Bowl ad.

            Beck accused Coke of “trying to divide America” by positioning anybody put off by the ad as “racist,” while Bolling warned Coke that they had messed with the wrong song: “You ticked off a lot of Coke drinkers, you ticked off a lot of Americans..
            _____________________________________________
            Eric Bolling is #2…..Beck is 2.5

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            First of all, Glenn Beck doesn’t work for Fox News. He hasn’t in a long time. That’s additional proof that you don’t actually watch the network – and haven’t for years.

            Eric Bolling’s view was from “The Five” which you already listed. So you’re still at #1, son. Keep Googling though! I’m sure you’ll find even more irrelevant information to cite.

          • legal eagle

            Todd Starnes is host of Fox News & Commentary, heard on hundreds of radio stations…..That’s two….Beck is a former employee who is a guest on Fox News with some regularity…..That’s 2.5 I rest my case….

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            lol. Then your case sucks! This has to be one of the most pathetic defenses you’ve ever put on, man… and that’s really saying something.

            You’ve attributed an encompassing theme to a 24 hour news network by a comment from Eric Bolling, a tweet from a radio host that was never aired on anything, and a guy who hasn’t received a cent from Fox News in years.

            Bravo, counselor! Bravo! Now when the bailiff’s done laughing, he’ll escort you out the parking lot and send you off on your tricycle.

          • legal eagle

            Wonder how your wife puts up with your nonsense….a man that can never admit he’s wrong….

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            My wife? lol. Is that seriously your final recourse now that your argument has been completely decimated and you’ve been thoroughly embarrassed?

            Newsflash: My wife’s not a liar. You are.

          • legal eagle

            The only thing nonsensical is your never ending defense of Fox News…..You sound like their defense attorney….I said Fox News was bitching about a Coke commercial…How many people on Fox News have to say something to make my point valid?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>The only thing nonsensical is your never ending defense of Fox News.

            …Which you’re only saying out of hyper-defensive impulse because you don’t actually read my columns, and thus you have no clue whether or not I have criticisms for Fox News or not. If you did read them, you would realize how wrong your proclaimed observation is.

            >>How many people on Fox News have to say something to make my point valid?

            Well so far, you’ve referenced around two minutes of Fox News programming in which this minor topic was discussed with representatives on both sides of the argument. If you’re going to apply some broad theme to the entire network based on that, I would hope that you would logically discover that you were completely wrong in the first place, admit it, and move on.

          • legal eagle

            Conservative columnist and Fox News Radio host Todd Starnes tweeted his dislike of the ad, writing, “So was Coca-Cola saying America is beautiful because new immigrants don’t learn to speak English?”

            http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-coca-cola-super-bowl-ad-stirs-controversy-20140203,0,1361331.story#ixzz2sQQfmbUq

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Fox News Radio host? Are you serious? So let me get this straight… If anyone who happens to receive a paycheck from a company owned by Rupert Murdoch tweets something, that tweet is somehow reflective of the entire Fox News network (even if that person never actually appeared on the network to state that opinion), thus it constitutes “Fox News bitching” about something?

            Wow. You’ve really outdone yourself, legal. What a stellar, bulletproof argument that is. I guess I should just be happy that you finally figured out how to Google something to at least ATTEMPT to support one of your baseless arguments before failing miserably. Baby steps, my friend. Baby steps.

          • grainbirds

            Never mind, I was thinking of the cheerios ad.

          • grainbirds

            No one at FNC “bitched” about the commercial, and anyone who had been following the controversy with an open mind would know these simple facts:

            Someone at the MSNBC website used a charming, completely apolitical ad in order to promote MSNBC’s stock-in-trade tactic of telling all its audience and readers that all their neighbors, relatives, and co-workers on the Right are hateful racists.

            Many people strongly objected to this hate speech, and MSNBC withdrew the tweet and claims to have fired the person responsible.

            No one at FNC “bitched” about an ad featuring a biracial family. You completely and totally misrepresented the facts – again, documented ones – in order to promote a racialist message encouraging people to hate others.

            The very thing you accuse FNC of.

          • Independent Cuss

            Dana’s nice and informed about things. The Oriental girls seems kind of mean around the edges. She’s gotta bite to her. Guttfield’s too squirrelly for me, saw him with Alex from Jeopardy and could tell Alex didn’t like him.

      • grainbirds

        You only make yourself sound like a fool who is easily manipulated when you spout pathetic Leftist Talking Point cliches about FNC being a bastion and cesspool of racism, xenophobia, hate and reactionary thinking, when this is not the case, as documented daily when the shows are taped.

        And that’s giving you the benefit of the doubt that these are your honest opinions, given to promote honest dialogue.

        • legal eagle

          “As documented daily”…………what the hell does that mean?

          • grainbirds

            They tape the shows.

        • Independent Cuss

          Racists are welcome at Fox and they know it. Funny how they’re having all these black people on now. And some Mexicans I think besides Jeraldo. Racists really have no other source that’ll role out the welcome mat. Bret and Shepard don’t seem racist. Sheep’s from Mississippi and some say he’s gay. Not sure about that and don’t really care. Live and let live.

          • grainbirds

            The motto of “live and let live” does not seem to fit, given your willingness to slander people on Fox News as ugly things without evidence, probably because you disagree with most of them politically.

            Geraldo Rivera was born in the US, to a Puerto Rican dad and a Russian Jewish mom – I looked it up. The irony of your assumption he is Mexican due to his Latino surname while claiming to be above the sort of bigotry which would have someone just lump a bunch of people together that way makes me wonder if you are actually joking.

  • Iklwa

    My problem with democrats’ use of the word “compromise” is
    that the only time they drag it out of the closet and dust it off is when they’ve
    found out they can’t just ram their agenda down America’s throat…legally.

    I am afraid that you, Bernie, and many others who would
    represent the “rational” republican base fall into the liberal’s trap regarding
    the ease with which legislation moves through Congress. We should feel no
    sorrow that laws do not readily reel off the books at break neck pace. Look
    what we got with the so-called Affordable Healthcare Act. To my mind, not
    reading a bill before passing it qualifies as ramming it down America’s
    throat.

    Our system of government was intentionally designed to be a
    slow and painful process wherein only the best legislation should see the light
    of day.

    Our founding fathers had far too much experience with a governmental
    system that easily and without political consequence could levy taxes, pass
    regulation and otherwise deprive its citizens of their inalienable rights as
    humans. They did not want to throw off the yoke of whimsical tyranny only to
    saddle themselves with the whimsical tyranny of a rabid democracy. Hence the
    creation of our representative republic with three equally empowered houses of
    government with a provision for judicial review.

    The kings and queens of England
    could both convene and cancel Parliament at their discretion as the people had
    no practical voice.

    Our current day President talks like he thinks he doesn’t
    need a Congress to do what he likes.

  • legal eagle

    More whining from the RMNJs…..The media hates us RWNJs..poor baby..

  • keith hart

    John Daly johndalybooks@hotmail.com. Keith, I just read your post directed at me.

    Let me explain a few things to you……… ” Hmm. Oh really”.

    On Bernie’s website, we can ban a poster by IP address and email address, but if that poster has absolutely no life and chooses to drive around town posting messages, using junk email addresses, from a cell phone that randomly acquires different IP addresses, there’s not much we can do using the security filters. That’s the situation with IHF. Thus, all any of us can do is delete such posts manually unless we want to risk banning IP addresses over an entire city region which would ban innocent people who merely use the same service provider as IHF…………..

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,”What I know about website security is almost zero — almost. So, I consulted some IT guys specializing in website security. They assured me there are ‘trap routines’ that capture junk e-mail signals and roving cell phone IP addresses. The thing is, those features come with a higher price tag.”

    It is not my job, nor has it even been my job to moderate this site. I’m not the site moderator. The webmaster is. Being a writer for the site, I have administrative rights, and I use those rights to help out the moderator from time to time when I happen to notice several flagged posts in the queue. I’ll also delete posts from banned individuals (IHF is the only one who keeps coming back) when I see them.

    I am not paid to moderate posts. It’s not part of my job. I do it on a volunteer basis when I can, just to be helpful. The webmaster has a lot of responsibilities – forum moderation just being one of them. It’s very tough for him to keep a real-time watch over all of the posts that flow in every hour. He does what he can. Jeff Webb and I help him when we can……….

    ………”.I never trust anyone who works for free. Generally, their work is not up to par and they always come with a hidden agenda.”

    My criticism of you a few weeks ago was not a cheap shot. It was the appropriate response to your sarcasm and mockery of us not immediately attending to a troll’s posts on Christmas Eve……..

    ………..”IHF is not a troll, he is a very talented hacker, perhaps brilliant — but without moral restraint — with a political agenda, perhaps paid by one of Soro’s dirty tricks media groups, or he does it just for the passion of it. If you choose not to figure that out, then you put yourself in the camp of the the rest of the republicans with their heads deeply and firmly up their 3sses.

    Sorry if you were offended……” I do not accept your apology as being genuine, seeing as how it is so perfunctory and sarcastic in context.”

    “In the interest of openness, I didn’t actually post my post to you. I don’t WiFi — no laptops. I can’t risk the signal capture. So, I only work on desktops. I’m not joined at the hip with a computer. They’re not toys, only tools, no more, no less than a slide rule.”

    “I dictated my post to you, over a landline. My PA posted it word for word. She can be trusted. She’s my granddaughter.

    Now, my granddaughter advised me not to send that post. She tells me when I think I’m being succinct and direct that I’m actually being sarcastic and mocking. I sent it anyway. …. I was simmering pissed.

    I know you deserve better. I do owe you. When I was waxing sentimental about Nelson Mandela, you could have bitten my head off by reminding me he was a communist. You didn’t. Your post was very gracious.

    So, I thank you for that and I apologize for being sarcastic and mocking.

    I would prefer you not send me anymore e-mails. Anything you have to say to me can be said out in the open — in the open forum.”

  • keith hart

    It was reported, 40,000 new laws kicked in nationwide on January 1, 2014. Bear in mind, ignorance of the law is not a legal defense. Ever wonder, sometimes, if you’re living in an insane asylum that’s 3,000 miles by 1,500 miles — give or take?

  • Phillip MacHarg

    To listen to President Obama you would think U.S. presidents never come under scrunity and criticism. That it all started with his “Hope and Change” presidency. This ridiculous whining from a president (Obama) who was given a pass by the New York Times and other powerful outlets on the usual vetting process presidential candidates receive during an election campaign. Indeed, the same whining guy that used MSM outlets to routinely smear Mitt Romney during the 2011 re-election campaign. What it all comes down to is the president we got the next three years is a real loser.

  • buckrodgers

    It looks like President Obama wants to reinvent the liberal media and Democratic Party, That has giving nothing more the lip service to minorities, especially African Americans, it’s hard to deny the fact that the majority of Democrats in Congress,, the editorial board and staff of most liberal newspapers,commentators on liberal outlets and Hollywood are dominated by caucasians, who pander to minorities by playing the race card,sex card or gender card, but when it comes to employment minorities need not apply, so why should it surprise anybody that a community activist from Chicago, who watched white alderman try to seize power from Chicago first African American Mayor Harold Washington, with the slogan we have the votes, before President Obama changed America, he has to change the face of the Democratic power, by giving African Americans, the parties most loyal supporter a seat at the table of power.

    • legal eagle

      Take a look at the makeup of Republican Congressional delegation. One unelected black, one Jew and one or two Florida area Cubans….Why do you think that is? Do you believe it’s coincidence that minorities don’t vote Republican…I submit it’s because, since 1964, the Republican Party has adopted a Southern Strategy which has turned it into the Grey Old White Party…

      • Drew Page

        Your white guilt is commendable. Perhaps you should consider suicide to make amends.

        • legal eagle

          Your old white privilege thinking will keep the Dems in the White House for many years to come…Thanks

          • Vance P. Frickey

            white privilege thinking… like expecting people who swear an oath to “protect and defend the Constitution” not to violate it almost daily once they’re elected?

      • Concernedmimi

        Seems I just saw a utube video of Chicago blacks telling Obama he needed to just step down now! Maybe the tide is turning because they don’t like being lied to either!!!!

        • legal eagle

          Keep watching Fox News…it will help you maintain your ignorance….

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Start watching Fox News, and you’ll realize how ignorant you are about what they report and what they don’t.

          • Tim Ned

            I have to start watching Fox news more. I have to find out what this network does that drives the left wingnuts so crazy!

          • legal eagle

            Fox feeds its audience what it wants..

            It wants to hate Obama.

            It wants to hate the Democrats.

            It needs to hate those who are not “real Americans.”

            It needs easy to access people to blame- takers, illegals, minorities, Muslims, all of the “others” who are taking over their America and who must be stopped.

            and that audience has a purpose….to vote for those politicians who Fox promotes because those people serve the Monied Movers and Shakers.

            IN REVERSE…

            1) A Cartel of the Ultra Wealthy Individuals and Corporations recognizes that control of the legislative and executive processes is the best guarantee of success.

            2) That control requires the identification of a Party willing to serve as their agents in return for support during campaigns, and assurances of post-retirement lucrative “work” options.

            3) That Party depends on a base that is easily manipulated and controlled through effective propaganda that fits into its mindset regarding the nature of the American scene.

            4) Fox, owned by one of the Ultra Wealthy and part of a corporatre media empire, provides the primary base from which the propaganda messages which come form a variety of sources are packaged and then played on a never-ending loop.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Hilarious, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, etc. etc. There only out to tell folks the unvarnished truth, they didn’t start TV networks to make money? In fact their personalities are all volunteers? Talk about drivel.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            You should try actually watching it some time… you know, just to see if the allegations you routinely pull out of your posterior line up with reality.

          • legal eagle

            I do watch it sometimes….particularly O’Reilly and Megyn Kelly….I watched Huckabee over the weekend…Pure right wing propaganda…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Sure you do. That must be why you always claim that they’re not reporting stories that they report on all the time.

          • legal eagle

            They don’t report…they are opinion shows with lots of staged debate….and they repeat the same stories over and over…most of them anti-Obama…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            If you only watch the opinion shows (and I doubt you’re even doing that), it shouldn’t be surprising that you’re hearing people’s opinions.

            Try watching Special Report if you want hard news and reporting. It’s the best there is.

          • legal eagle

            I like Shep Smith…the hour of normality on Fox News…Ailes has him on so people like yourself can point at the one non opinion show and say that Fox News actually reports news…
            Out of Fox’s 18 hour broadcasting day 2 hours are news , the rest is right wing propaganda on a loop, repeating the same story over and over and over again…Bret Baer’s show is fifteen minutes of news and 45 minutes of right wing discussion with Charley Krauthammer playing the learned right wing ideologue…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>Bret Baer’s show is fifteen minutes of news and 45 minutes of right wing discussion

            Thanks for admitting you’ve never actually watched it. The panel doesn’t even come on until the 40 minute mark.

            Every now and then, are you curious what it would be like to actually know something about the things you comment on?

            You’re essentially a lazy movie reviewer who writes his critiques without ever watching the movie, and hopes no one will ever notice.

          • legal eagle

            and your essentially an ideological dumbass…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Oh no, did I embarrass you?

            It’s just that you make it so easy, Legal. If you didn’t lie all the time, you wouldn’t have anything to worry about… but you really can’t help yourself, huh?

          • AbdullahtheButcher

            Say what you will about Fox, but they at least do have some liberal voices, while your MSLSD doesn’t have much in the way of conservatives.

          • legal eagle

            Fox has “liberal” voices? They bring them on to debate on shows where they are always outnumbered 2 or 3 to 1…..The Five is a perfect example of the Fox circus…4 on 1…

          • grainbirds

            I’ve heard that “sandwich journalism” crap before.

            No, they are not always outnumbered, and give examples of where Democrat/liberal guests, contributors or co-host (Beckle) were unable to get their information and arguments across because they were double or triple-teamed by unethical panelists on the Right.

          • legal eagle

            “Unethical”? What does ethics have to do with political debate?

          • Tim Ned

            Wow! There are a lot of issues and hate canned up in your system. You either need a shrink or a proctologist. But in reviewing your points, I think this reveals more about your political radicalism than Fox News.

            If someone asked me the difference between Fox News and let’s say the NY Times, I would answer that Fox probably has many more on their staff that vote Republican and that the NYT has many more that vote Democrat. I would then say that there is nothing wrong with that.

          • legal eagle

            The New York Times does reporting and investigative journalism….Fox News does fake debates and looks to sell books for its hosts..

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            How would you know? You never watch Fox News.

          • grainbirds

            Wow, do you think people on the Left recognize points 1 – 4? I do.

          • legal eagle

            I recognize them…I don’t know what others recognize but mine is not an individual revelation….LOL
            Got to pretty naïve not to believe points 1-4…

          • legal eagle

            They whine about being victims of the MSM about 12 times every day…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            How would you know? You never watch the network.

          • legal eagle

            Ailes and O’Reilly channel the white backlash in a country trying to become a multiracial democracy. That’s scary but entertaining at times….like watching WWE wrestling….Old white buffoons like O’Reilly and Bernie Goldberg…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            How would you know anything about Fox News, legal? You never watch it.

          • legal eagle

            I watch O’Reilly and Hannity all the time…..If you want to insist I don’t watch it there is nothing I can do …..

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            You’re lying either way.

            Either you don’t watch Fox News (my belief) or you do watch Fox News and routinely lie about what’s on their programming. You routinely insist that they ignore specific stories, when in reality, those stories are heavily covered on their programs (including the O’Reilly factor).

            Just yesterday, you were telling me that Special Report features 15 minutes of news and 45 minutes of Charles Krauthammer offering his opinions. That’s just another lie from you.

            Do you do this type of stuff in court? Do you ever get called out on it?

          • legal eagle

            In court, I have to present evidence…..or question witnesses…..Unlike Fox News or Goldberg’s columns…LOL

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Do you outright lie in court and make up things like you do on this website every day?

          • grainbirds

            “Either you don’t watch Fox News (my belief) or you do watch Fox News and routinely lie about what’s on their programming. You routinely insist that they ignore specific stories, when in reality, those stories are heavily covered on their programs…”

            What’s disgusting is that this same dishonesty and/or lack of rudimentary research, and resulting misrepresentation of FNC hosts is not limited to people commenting on articles. It is also practiced by journalists, and screenwriters.

          • grainbirds

            List the things O’Reilly has said which are racist, xenophobic, and anti-diversity, with links (including all relevant context) showing him voicing these things.

            PS – For example, the Al Sharpton and Karen Finney MSNBC segment which edited O’Reilly’s commentary on the late Nelson Mandela so that Sharpton’s audience would think O’Reilly was denouncing Mandela when he in fact praised him, does NOT constitute documentation. It constitutes lying to the audience.

          • legal eagle

            O’Reilly’s show has been on approximately 1000 hours a year for the past 15 years….If you’d like to send a check to my paralegal I’ll ask her to research the information you are seeking….and then you’ll say that, in your opinion, he wasn’t race baiting…

          • grainbirds

            I asked for some alleged examples of O’Reilly’s racism, not all of them, and you know it. The longevity of O’Reilly’s show does not make it difficult for anyone to gather a few recent examples of his alleged racism. And I did not realize you were accusing the man of race-baiting. Did you?

            And as for your accusation that I would reject all evidence of something simply because I have already decided what to think, that is as cheap and so far unproven as your accusations of FNC people.

          • legal eagle

            I will have my paralegal research a few examples for you….give me a few days..

      • Brian Fr Langley

        By southern strategy, I take it you mean Democratic party strategy? Like say viciously opposing desegregation?

        • legal eagle

          The 1950′s and 60′s are over….haven’t you heard…The southern segregationists all turned Republican… You can see them on Duck Dynasty and in the Senate…

          • grainbirds

            The Freaky Friday Doctrine is simplistic, manipulative, dishonest crap which seeks to cherry pick facts from history to mix and match them in a manipulative political Narrative designed to tar modern political enemies with evil practiced by others, five decades ago.

            And academia sits back and lets it flourish in all its half-baked scholarship, because the results suit their ideological goals.

          • legal eagle

            Academia has an ideological goal…Sounds like Nixon and McCarthy in the 1950′s talking about the communist conspiracy….

          • grainbirds

            So you’re saying that academia’s ideological goal sounds like Nixon and McCarthy talking about communism in the ’50′s?

            I disagree, but it’s an interesting take. I’d love to hear more.

            Now, if you wanted to day that academia’s ideology sounds like communism, period, it would make more sense.

          • legal eagle

            Sorry, I meant to put a ? after “academia has an ideological goal”….Isn’t that a bit of a generalization? Who the hell is “academia’? I know a lot of teachers and professors and I have never known them to have a common belief in anything?

          • grainbirds

            We can see racist policies from the 50′s and 60′s in the behavior of GOP senators?

            List the examples, with links to credible sources. Wikipedia excerpts and you tube cobb salad pastiches are not documentation.

          • legal eagle

            Do I look like your research assistant? Obviously you buy into the Republican narrative that racism ended in 1964…..good for you..

          • grainbirds

            I don’t know what you look like. I asked you to give examples proving your claim that GOP senators are racists.

            You have not done so. Instead you accused me of holding a view I did not express, and the GOP as a whole of the same. Do you think that disguises the fact that you can’t back up your claims?

            Remember, Candy Crowley does not have your back in this debate.

          • Sheila Warner

            How about the granddaddy of all racists, Senator Strom Thurmond? Read the first quote on the page: http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,799372,00.html

          • grainbirds

            It’s good to point such examples out.

            Currently, Leftist operatives continue to simplistically and corruptly misrepresent history with the Freaky Friday Doctrine, which claims that Democrats and Republicans all reversed party affiliation after the CRA, with the GOP (ex DNC according to the FF Doctrine) still hideously racist five decades later.

            But sooner or later truth will prevail, despite the best efforts of our honorable academia.

      • Tim Ned

        Yes, about the same number of minorities as on Obama’s Cabinet!

      • AbdullahtheButcher

        “.I submit it’s because, since 1964, the Republican Party has adopted a Southern Strategy which has turned it into the Grey Old White Party…”

        If that’s the case, legal beagle, then how come so many Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act? Or Republican Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne to help protect black schoolkids in Arkansas?

        • legal eagle

          That was 50-60 years ago…..We are in 2014 not 1956..

          • AbdullahtheButcher

            Sometimes I wonder if you liberals were aware of that. :-) But seriously, I was under the impression that the South went Rep because the Left was dominating the Democratic Party.

          • legal eagle

            The South went Republican when the Dems passed the Civil Right Act…..In 1964 they nominated Goldwater, who had voted against the Civil Right Act…not a coincidence…

          • AbdullahtheButcher

            On a party basis, more Reps voted for the Civil Rights Act than the Dems. Goldwater mostly agreed with the CRA, he desegregated the Arizona National Guard, for example, he felt that several of the act’s provisions risked government interference in the private sector.

      • grainbirds

        “Do you believe it’s coincidence that minorities don’t vote Republican…”

        How could anyone think it’s a coincidence, when academia and the Fourth Estate have been so shamefully co-opted into mouthpieces for a single ideology?

        • legal eagle

          So only Christian white folks are smart enough to overcome the evil forces of academia and the media? You got to have a better rationale than that?

          • grainbirds

            I said nothing about white Christians. So your question is moot.

  • dlmstl

    Our cowardly Lion King has a pen and phone, or so he says. Is this going to be another ‘Red Line in the sand’, ala Syria? How’s that chemical weapons disposal going Barry? Look at the turmoil caused by the naesent Tea Party, an organization whose guiding premise in the US Constitution. This bunch seems to have a mortal fear of our Founding Fathers beliefs!! If only the Republican establishment shared these beliefs. Barry will be hesitant initiating any rash Executive Orders. They have been watching the reaction in Ukraine. Those brave lovers of freedom are NOT going back to tyranny and we will not allow it to be imposed upon us here!!

    • legal eagle

      the driving force of the Tea Party is the Koch Brothers attempt to game the US political system….

      • Jeff Webb

        You’re just a paranoid, bitter little whiner who’s upset that sugar daddies like George Soros have counterparts on the other side.

        Yes, despite your side having majority control over the big network newscasts, big city newspapers, the AP, major magazines, Hollywood, universities and public schools, there are some sources that let the conservative message be heard. It was so much better for your cult back in the good old days, wasn’t it?

        • legal eagle

          Comparing the wealth and political spending of the Koch Brothers versus the wealth and political contributions of George Soros shows how little you pay attention to politics..Perhaps you might do a little research…

          • Concernedmimi

            Are you forgetting again? To tell the whole story? Why not add in the government unions & communist Hollywood? Hopefully there will be a lot more Koch Brothers this time!!!!

          • legal eagle

            Those Commie SOBs in Hollywood…..LOL

          • Tim Ned

            You can’t be serious?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Tim, Legal never has any clue what he’s talking about. lol.

          • legal eagle

            I would cite the facts about the Koch Brothers v. George Soros but you don’t give a crap about the facts so stay ignorant…

          • Tim Ned

            State the facts!

          • legal eagle

            Google the Forbes 400…..

          • Tim Ned

            Why would I google Forbes? Just to find out who is richer? When you get to this wealth, how on earth does it make a difference?

            Of course, the rich that support your radical agenda are fine. You just hate the competition.

            Like an old friend from Russia told me after the cold war. “The old Soviet Communists loved differing opinions. Shooting those with the different opinion was the ultimate sign of respect”. Of course tongue and cheek if you didn’t catch that.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            In other words, you’re too lazy to research something that you suspect you’re completely wrong about in the first place.

        • legal eagle

          More victimization and whining from the right…..Your whining will continue through the 2016 elections….

      • Concernedmimi

        And you and your kind are just running scared. The TEA PARTY is nothing more than a grass roots movement that is growing stronger in numbers and support everyday.

      • Tim Ned

        Anyone who worships George Sorros funding of left wing nut organizations should never ever bring the Koch Brothers into a conversation.

        • legal eagle

          Tell me what left wing nut organizations Soros funds?

          • Tim Ned

            Moveon.org to name one and probably the nuttiest of them all. Look up the rest yourself.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly
          • legal eagle

            interesting…have a date for the citation?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Looks like some time after 2008. Good point, though. He’s probably funded several more since then.

          • AbdullahtheButcher

            Well, there’s Media Matters, or so I’ve heard, among others.

      • grainbirds

        OMG.

  • worker1950

    Mr Obama and the MSM suffer from selective memory loss. The attacks lobbed at President Bush were constant and vitriolic. Obama’s whining has become tiresome. He is not the first President to be disliked by a group that doesn’t share his beliefs and he won’t be the last. Mr President stop complaining and blaming others …. just do your job.

    • legal eagle

      Bush was disliked because he lied the US into a war to cover his incompetence on 9/11……Guess you forgot about that?

      • Roman Lubers

        Bush responded with information from the Intelligence community……the same excuse that Obama and crew used in blaming Benghazi on a YouTube video……Guess you forgot that?
        His incompetence……guess his field work and information gathering wasn’t up to par like yours. What role have you played in any form of government outside of collecting welfare stamps? Sorry, personal attack, guess the POTUS is rubbing off on me.

        • legal eagle

          So you equate 4 dead in Benghazi with thousands dead and wounded in Iraq? Are you kidding?

          • Concernedmimi

            There is no comparison to leaving ours behind and Irag. If you bothered to get the correct info, you would know that democrats also signed off on the Iraq war. They saw the same intel that Republicans and President Bush saw. As usual you don’t know what you are talking about!!

          • legal eagle

            Thanks for the moronic comparison….

          • Roman Lubers

            No, you equate the numbers. I equated the information given resulting in action. Please do not try to twist my words as so many of your companions would do. The point is 2 different POTUS acting on information given to them. You issue a pass for one and not another, this is by definition a hypocrite. All your personal attacks are against Bush, he did not make all the decisions like Obama has, or in the case of making a call on Syria totally avoid. The POTUS is but one piece of a complicated puzzle, many pieces need to be in place to get the full picture. And no, I can not compare 4 lives with thousands, but you can. You’ll give a pass for 4 human lives while I on the other hand value all lives equally with no value assignable. Perhaps you should write a letter to the deceased’s living companions with the words, “At least thousands aren’t dead like what Bush did right? Obama won’t do something like that.” Please send post haste and let me know the reply, I’m sure the comforting words will ease their pain and help the souls of those who’ve passed rest in peace.

          • legal eagle

            And exactly what decision did Obama make that caused these 4 people to be killed? I don’t give a pass to anyone because I don’t know exactly what you believe could have prevented the incident ? Tell me what decision you would have made that would have led to a different outcome?

      • Concernedmimi

        Just as I said, you never do your homework; guess the dog ate it! Irag was signed off on by both sides of the aisle. PERIOD!!!! Is that CLEAR?

        • legal eagle

          I see…so the Dems decided to invade Iraq? So the Dems ignored the PDB about Ben Laden preparing to attack the U.S…So the Dems said that Iraq has WMDs? So the Dems said Iraq was making nuclear weapons?
          Keep watching Fox News and listening to Limbaugh to reinforce your ignorance…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>I see…so the Dems decided to invade Iraq?

            Yes, including Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, John Kerry, and other top officials in the Obama administration.

            >>So the Dems ignored the PDB about Ben Laden preparing to attack the U.S…

            The Clinton administration ignored EVERYTHING Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were behind (including the first twin towers attack and the attack on the U.S.S. Cole).

            >>So the Dems said that Iraq has WMDs?

            Yes. Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and many more.

            I always love it when you do one of your “Ah hah!” moments, only to get your hat promptly handed to you because you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.

            Serious question: Were you locked away in some underground bunker from the mid 1990s to around 2008, because you apparently have no understanding of what happened during those years.

          • Concernedmimi

            So where do you get your info? Out of a cracker jack box? hahahahahahahahaha!!!

          • legal eagle

            We know where you get….and its something you sit on daily…

      • Tim Ned

        You have evidence of Bush lying to get us into the war? You’re a genius! When are you going to press charges?

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Legal often portrays himself to be privy to information that no one else is. He could very well be the next Edward Snowden. Hopefully he’ll run off to Russia some time soon.

          • Tim Ned

            John, I believe there is a vast difference between us and the left wingnuts like legal eagle. If Bush actually lied, and if there was evidence to that fact, I would be pushing for impeachment of Bush even though I voted for him. However the left wing in this country respect the liars on their side. Because for them it is about the agenda, not the credibility. The means justify the end.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Agreed. A president that lies to take us to war should be impeached. The reality (and again, Legal has no memory of at least the 10 years prior to Obama taking office) is that the entire world believed Saddam had WMDs, including the Clinton administration, every major international intelligence agency that exists, and many within Saddam’s own regime.

            But as you said, such facts don’t matter to people like l.e.

          • Tim Ned

            And let’s not forget that President Clinton’s administration had Bin Laden cornered and in their sights and they didn’t take the shot. This would have been problem solved!

            However, I believe to lay the blame so blatantly on a single instance at a Presidents feet is irresponsible. And I would not do so to Clinton as well.

      • AbdullahtheButcher

        How do you know he lies as opposed to being wrong or mistaken? Pretty much EVERYONE else was saying that Saddam’s regime had or may have or at the least was capable of obtaining WMDs.

        • legal eagle

          If you’d like to do a little research on the subject watch the documentary “The World According to Dick Cheney”…I don’t believe that the Senate would have voted for any war resolution if they were told that Saddam was simply “capable of obtaining WMD’s”….Almost every country in the world has that capability….
          The country was told that Saddam had WMD’s and nuclear weapons and was a threat to the U.S………

    • joepotato

      What do people expect from our first Indonesian IPOTUS anyway? He clearly works for foreign interests….

  • Sheila Warner

    It’s the reality of a person’s life that is the real boogeyman for President O. He speaks of grand solutions and the folks look around and say “What?”

  • firststater

    I don’t know why he dignifies Fox with comment. Neither Fox, nor the worst of the worst, MSNBC do I believe are that much of a factor in our political dialogue or elections. My advice to the President if he feels he must comment would be to lump them together and point this fact out.

  • Anthony Pacicca

    Glad he’s off the Bush kick— was getting kind of tiresome.

  • VermontAmerican

    If he’d cure cancer, I’d give him credit. For now, I’d settle for a little humility.

    • legal eagle

      B.S…. you can’t even give him credit for getting OBL…

      • Vance P. Frickey

        Ten years of sustained effort got OBL. DEVGRU got OBL. All Obama did was – to give him credit where due – was not be Jimmy Carter and micromanage the entire process, as Carter did the Iranian rescue mission.

        Obama and his people, AFTER real men did the necessary work to get Osama bin Laden, proceeded to break every law they say Edward Snowden did in order to get votes for the Man Who Would be King, revealing tradecraft and secret methods and generally putting future US special operators in the Middle East at great risk in the future.

        If Edward Snowden’s ever prosecuted for what he did, Barack Obama ought to be (a) impeached, then (b) criminally tried for the same offenses.

      • username144

        So Obama was part of seal team six?

        • legal eagle

          As much as he was part of Benghazi…

  • Abby Sapp

    It surely is embarrassing to be an American right now.

    • legal eagle

      Then get back on your meds and go to sleep until Hillary becomes POTUS….I can’t imagine how embarrassed your family must be about ignorant comments like yours..

  • JASVN67

    Bernard being a journalist you know that knowledge is power! Just finished reading a book which out lines the history of our Nation from its early beginnings (the establishment of James town) to this current Administration and beyond. In 1794 the House of Representatives 3rd Cogress then President James Madison pointed out that there is nothing in the Constitution that entitles the government to use the money of their constituents for charitable purposes no matter how noble their goals. Why? It was so that the governed would maintain a sense of independence and self-reliance least they become addicted to the welfare state. For when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not then the democracy would cease to exist. (SOBERING) Later it was Thomas Jefferson who warned and made clear that the accumulation of huge debt by the government is a dangerous threat to the preservation of the Nation. We have been fore warned what will we do?

    • Rp

      We’ll said about the addiction to welfare state. Can you give the name of the book. Want to read

      • JASVN67

        The book you seek is titled:
        “America the Beautiful Rediscovering What Made This Nation Great” Written by Dr. Ben Carson M.D. with Candy Carson.
        Look into his web site: SaveOurHealthCare.org as well. It is worth noting he is considering a run for the Presidency in 2016. Sorry I took so long to give you the info.

  • D Parri

    Bernie, one more thing. If you happen to read this comment, I would like to ask you to talk to your webmaster and find out why I am not allowed to vote on your website any longer. It is on your website that I have lost that privilege, but I can still vote on other websites.

    You, Bernard Goldberg, can order such an investigation and I am requesting your help into this matter. Perhaps it will not result in a full-blown Senate investigation if you intercede at this point.

    Thank You, Mr. Bernie.

  • disqus_9Av9WFBkxa

    Name me one thing he has compromised on????

    • JDan

      His sexuality.

      • Le Marteau

        That’s pretty damn funny

    • firststater

      Standby its an election year and there may be some evolution to occur e.g., keystone, immigration

      • digitalPimple

        It’s amazing that the pipelines impact study suddenly gets completed now… 4 years later. I guess Fox News is to blame for the “hold up” and now it’s release too.

        What a Joke. This is such amateur hour and so insulting.

    • legal eagle

      Tax increases for the upper brackets….

      • Jeff Webb

        If you mean he agreed not to increase taxes on the upper brackets, you’ll have to try again. You forget about when he said he was against raising anyone’s taxes in a slow economy?

        It’s typical of your cult, giving Obama credit for doing something he already supported. You’d probably swoon if you found out he can cut his own meat.

        • legal eagle

          Obama proposed increasing taxes on incomes above 250K…He compromised at incomes above 400K….Check the facts…

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Obama proposed increasing taxes on incomes above 250K…He compromised at incomes above 400K….Check the facts…<<

            I was very aware of that fact. That actually was a compromise: GOP wanted all people to keep all of their money, Obama wanted some people to be singled out.

            You did refute the post before mine–sadly, using one example of BO contradicting himself (see my previous comment) that also takes the edge off the whole "GOP obstructionists" meme. Food for thought…

          • legal eagle

            So compromise in your narrow world equals contradiction?

          • Jeff Webb

            No. When someone says taxes shouldn’t be raised in a slow economy, then says they should be raised while the economy is slow, that is what equals contradiction.

            I think you deserve credit for frequenting a (largely) conservative forum, and I give you the benefit of the doubt because of it, but this is getting ridiculous. You’re always responding to comments and columns as if you didn’t read or understand them. Please stop that, unless you sincerely want no more back & forth with me.

            Biting, sarcastic banter with “the enemy” is fun for me, but your playing ignorant insults my intelligence and isn’t worth the effort.

  • JDan

    The load in my diaper is not mine.

    • TheOriginalDonald

      Barack! I’ve got a gift for you. I’ll give you a hint – it’s in my pants and it’s not a toaster.-Stewie Griffin

      • JDan

        LOL Barackhole is in a Quagmire.

  • Brian Fr Langley

    Limerick?
    .
    My poll numbers are crashing, and hard upon the rocks,
    As for extremist’s (I mean Republicans) upon their house a pox,
    exactly what I need,
    my staff and I’ve agreed,
    is a “slobbering media love affair”, this time including Fox.

  • D Parri

    Finally, I reached the end of your article and I must say that you did manage to bring it full-circle and lay the wreath of guilt at the feet of the responsible party.

    But Bernie, I knew you would. Good article.

  • D Parri

    “Yet we’re supposed to believe this great man…”…Yikes!

    Bernie! When exactly was it that you began believing him?

    Was it when he looked at the nation through a camera lens and said over and over, “If you like your health insurance plan, you can keep your health plan…period.” ???

    Or…maybe it was when he said, “The attack of our embassy last night in Benghazi was not a terrorist attack.” Which he followed up with this nice piece of untruth, “Well, Mitt Romney likes to shoot first and ask questions later.” That was explainable by the fact that Obama needed to make that false statement in order to gain the upper hand during a presidential race.

    There are hundreds of falsities that can be attributed to Obama, so why do you make the claim that “…we’re supposed to believe this great man…”?

    Yes, I understand ‘fluff rhetoric’, but let’s keep a few things straight. Thanks.

  • D Parri

    I have read only the first six paragraphs, but I have to stop and say something.

    Regarding the Tea Party’s reluctance to compromise with Obama or the Democrats, one thing keeps playing in my memory over and over. It was the comment that the House Majority Leader made when the ObamaCare bill was being developed and passed. To paraphrase, she said that they “would pass it, either with or without them”, referring to the Republican members who opposed the legislation quite vigorously.

    Now, if my history in the House–as a Republican, and member of the Tea Party–had included a relationship with the president and the Democratic party such as the one expressed by Nancy Pelosi’s offensive statement of utter disregard for me, my Party, and my constituency, I believe that it would be one of my least desires to compromise with…and fuel the fires of a waning opposition party who had recently chosen to kick me to the curb in the nastiest political power play this nation has seen in modern history.

    This is a political division envisioned, developed, and perpetrated by Obama and the Democrats and there is no amount of whiney schoolyard rhetoric that can change the reality of history. The TEA Party chose to fight against the expansion of government and bureaucracy, and Obama and the Dems chose to fight against the TEA Party. So be it. Get over it Pres.

  • mcweijun

    Don’t forget Bernie, that huge smile is only 1/2 black. That means if we don’t like his job performance, we are only 1/2 bigot. We have bigger problems now. I just heard our government is putting the finishing touches on relocating 25,000 Syrian refugees to the U.S. That news came just after news that Syria is now a mega training facility for radical Islamic terrorists. What could go wrong with that?

  • kayakbob

    Good piece, Mr. Goldberg. But the question is: where do we go from here?

    • D Parri

      Hey, KB, this is just a test. I’ll write an actual comment a li’l L8r.

      Since we’ve found that other sites don’t shut me out from th’ votin’, I thought I’d try this’n out again. Best advice…I’m not holdin’ my breath.

      Cheers.

  • Joh

    Bernie, you nailed it when you called it a “..Slobbering love affair”. When CNN’s pundit compared the state of the union address to sex because even Obama’s worst is the best you ever heard, now can anyone in their right mind think that network is going to be “fair and balanced”? I live in California and NO ONE has reported that the state has hired at least 43 felons convicted of identity theft and worse to be navigators for the Covered California health care system. Only Fox has reported that, not CNN, not the Sacramento Bee, and not the San Francisco Chronicle. Thank God for Fox News

  • Cecilio Méndez

    Mr. Golberg: Ditto!

  • hihoze

    Aside from Lowering the Oceans, He came into office promising to Fundamentally Transform America. Let’s not forget that Barack Obama isn’t just the first Black & White president, he is the first Red president with the most shocking anti-American friends, associates and background in history. That’s the problem he has with Conservatives and those who still revere our founders and our Constitution.

    • legal eagle

      Can’t trust those colored guys…shocking anti -American black friends and associates….We should be outraged…

      • hihoze

        Your partisan prejudice blinds you to any reasonable discussions. As to your political racism (willful & false accusations to cheapen debate) strictly speaking, President Obama is not the 44th white president nor is he the first black president, but based on what is known about him he is our first Marxist Red president. Of course, no one really knows much about our historic president because he has hidden his entire life under lock and seal and no reporter, journalist or bona fide historian can write a credible, factual book about him, mostly because he is 100% Red….for example, he only refers to Frank Marshal Davis (long time Communist and Obama mentor) in his book as “Frank”, in an effort to hide the identity of this one of dozens Marxist, America hating Communists in his life.

        • legal eagle

          I know you miss the good old days but the right wing nut jobs stopped using the terms Marxists and Commies in the 1950′s…or have you been in a coma since then?

          • hihoze

            You haven’t noticed how Democratic Party has made them fashionable again? Have you been in a coma? Welcome to the 21st Century comrade and the new Democratic National Socialist Workers Party. btw, even the Democrats were Anti-Marxist, Anti-Communist back in the 1950s. It’s amazing how content you are in such a shallow pool of knowledge.

          • legal eagle

            Thank you Joe McCarthy…

    • D Parri

      He is fundamentally transforming America. Given enough time, he would successfully destroy America.

  • joepotato

    Bernie, regarding your line; he’s not simply making stuff up.
    Let me rimind you that his (best selling?) book was alomost totally comprised of made up “stuff.” The majority of what he spews forth to the public is made up stuff. Here’s some even better made up “stuff” you might want to look into for the sake of credibility. The CCP (Sheriff’s Kit) evidence that found BHO’s LFBC and other things to be “made up stuff.” Just because the BSM doesn’t speak to it, doesn’t mean there wasn’t a “real investigation” to look into “made up stuff.”
    In conclusion, I submit that the Muslim Marxist marionette of Wall St and the NWO is a made up “cult of personality” foisted on a propagandized public… The results of which are now just beginning… Deceit and treachery will define the BHO/ Soetoro regime

  • legal eagle

    “The former Port Authority official who personally oversaw the lane closings on the George Washington Bridge in the scandal now swirling around Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said on Friday that the governor knew about the lane closings when they were happening, and that he had the evidence to prove it.”
    BYE BYE CHRIS CHRISTIE

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      Did I miss how this column has anything to do with Chris Christie? Oh, wait… I forgot that you don’t actually read the columns you comment on. Nevermind.

      • legal eagle

        I figure that readers of Goldberg’s column are limited as to their knowledge of the Christie scandal since it will not be covered here and rarely on Fox News…
        Also, many on this site believe they are “informed” voters…as laughable as that sounds…

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Uh, Bernie wrote a column on this very website about the Christie scandal, and Fox News has covered it extensively (which you would know if you ever watched it).

          But I appreciate you looking out for everyone’s best interest, being the well-meaning non-partisan that you are.

          • D Parri

            Isn’t it wonderful to have such “informed” readers as Legal Weasel camped out on this site?

            Why, I would almost be willing to bet that weasel was the first to break the Hoboken story (Dawn Zimmer), the bridge-gate story, et al.

            Why do we need a news source other than this wealth of information?

          • legal eagle

            Like you waited for the facts about Benghazi and the IRS?

          • hihoze

            Sadly, we’re still waiting…and so are the family members of the murdered Americans Hillary and President Obama left there to die.

          • legal eagle

            Thousands dead in Iraq and Afghanistan but only these 4 were “murdered” by Hillary and Obama..typical right wing hypocrisy…

          • Jeff Webb

            You said you weren’t in the comparison business, remember?

            Question #1: where did hihoze say BO & HC committed the murders?
            #2: did anyone demonstrably & repeatedly lie about who was responsible for the thousands who died in Iraq & Afghanistan?

      • D Parri

        It is called diversion…just a stone’s throw from division.

    • hihoze

      A real Legal Eagle would wait to see what the testimony is and why its being offered now, you’re obviously not a legal eagle, you’re really more of a run of the mill dirty bird.

      • joepotato

        legal seagull is more likely an OFA Obot troll, wandering aimlessly through the internet… aka $#1T bird….

        • legal eagle

          Thank you Mr. Potato Head….

          • joepotato

            You are quite welcome there, Mr. Birdbrain… or should I call you Brainiack?

      • legal eagle

        I’m not a juror and I can examine the facts…This is a political scandal which may become a criminal matter, and may not….Christie’s arrogance and massive ego is coming back to bite his fat butt…

  • legal eagle

    “A few facts: Fox News didn’t roll out ObamaCare. Rush didn’t create the mess in Benghazi. Neither Fox nor Rush told the IRS to target conservative organizations”. So Bernie, prior to Obamacare. Benghazi and the IRS “scandal”, Fox News and Limbaugh were presenting “fair and balanced” coverage of the Obama Administration? Amazing how Goldberg will say or do, whatever is necessary, to protect his Fox News paycheck..

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      They’ve been no less fair and balanced on Obama that your network of choice, MSNBC.

      • legal eagle

        Great answer…..Goldberg is defending his benefactor Roger Ailes and your response but your defense is that MSNBC is biased…..Goldberg is bought and paid for, I’m not…

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          You really ought to read Bernie’s columns from time to time. You’ll find plenty of criticisms of the conservative media including Fox News.

          And you’re doing for free what you really should be paid for, legal eagle. Shameless shills don’t grow on trees after all. Well, maybe they do.

          • legal eagle

            You probably were one of Nixon’s defenders….A true right wing cultist…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I was one year old when he left office. But nice guess.

          • D Parri

            And I was a Democrat. Carter fixed that, though.

          • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

            Welcome home!

          • legal eagle

            Obviously you were attracted to the fairy tale aka Ronald Reagan….Probably still believe the nonsense the Republicans have been selling the past 30 years…

          • legal eagle

            Ignorance is bliss….

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Good point, legal. I really should have been a well-studied, politically-savvy one-year old. I guess my parents really dropped the ball there.

          • legal eagle

            I assumed you have read something on the subject during the past 40 years? I also assume if you’d been around in the 60′s you wouldn’t be such a right wing ideologue…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Sure that’s what you meant, lol. Stop trying to cover up for you inability to retain information.

          • Josh

            Not to trollblast my way in here, but when I’m reading around this forum, I often see you bring up Nixon. While I can’t speak to anyone’s adoration or disdain for Nixon, I will say that I’m a Nixon defender in a very comparative sense. That is, he’s pretty vanilla compared to what goes on in this day and age.

            If CC is guilty in Jersey, he’s worse than Nixon. Every president since Nixon has probably been worse than Nixon.

            Nixon’s crime is admitting guilt. Plain and simple. If he woulda just shrugged it off and diverted like every schmuck politician since, he’d be golden.

            Bugging folks, using government agencies for his own partisan purposes, harassment, unlawful break-ins, coverups — most presidents have that covered their first month.

            Serious question (which I don’t expect an answer to, as out of, oh, two dozen questions I’ve asked you in the past, they’ve all been answered by asking more questions or not replying at all): What makes Nixon any worse than any other power-hungry, authority-abusing schmoe we’ve had in office previous or since, other than the fact he actually bit the bullet?

          • legal eagle

            What makes Nixon unique is that his paranoid schizophrenia, his bigotry and anti Semitism and his lack of regard for the American people are on tape….Perhaps you should do a little more research before defending a lowlife like Nixon.

          • Josh

            Yeah. Pretty sure that makes him the worst person ever. I mean, we’ve never had a president with little regard for his opponents caught on tape, and a president who had enemies, bigoted stances, paranoid musings, etc.

            I find it quite ironic that you’d hit me with a word like “research” with an obvious pair of impenetrable blinders on.

            Perhaps you’re up there in the years and have a personal bone to pick with Nixon, and that’s why you drop him into the discussion every single time I find you throughout these discussions.

            But I’ll ask another way: That makes him worse than other presidents how? Because of the letter beside his name?

            I suppose that’s my guess until something more compelling comes up. Wars, illegal spying, killing citizens, using government for a personal agenda, dictator-like sweeping rule, coercing sexual favors with the power of the presidency, habitual and intentional lying, enough coverups to make the mob blush — that’s just the last three. But antisemitism and a lack of regard for Americans is the argument you present for Nixon being worse than others?

            As I said, that’s pretty vanilla in comparison. If that comes across as defending Nixon, rather than stating that his scandals are pretty light in the loafers when compared to others, then so be it.

            We’ve had a murderer as president, FFS. I’m just trying to figure out why I read you dropping Nixon into these discussions so often.

          • legal eagle

            First, CC is hardly in Nixon’s class, although he does have potential. Secondly, I’m not in the comparison business so I don’t know whether Nixon was the worst anything. By the way who was FFS?

          • Josh

            FFS = for fluck’s sake.

          • legal eagle

            LOL

          • legal eagle

            I’m doing this pro-bono….pushing back against those ignorant enough to believe what the right wing is selling them…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Keep telling yourself whatever helps you sleep at night, man.

        • hihoze

          Bernie Goldberg is a smart man who writes well reasoned and informative commentary and makes a living doing it. You on the other hand are not, thus you are not bought and paid for, you’re simply worthless to everyone because of your simpleness and will most likely stay that way.

          • legal eagle

            Well reasoned? only to the simple minded like yourself.

    • Tim Ned

      Stimulus, Government motors, Green economy, Economy; I think there was plenty to be critical of before Obamacare, Benghazi, and the IRS.

      I don’t believe he’s trying to protect his paycheck. He is rendering his opinion. Not everyone takes money like attorneys do.

      • legal eagle

        What’s wrong with the stimulus and GM? Don’t think the economy has improved drastically? Don’t believe stock market has almost doubled? If he’s not protecting his paycheck why does he kiss O’Reilly’s butt every week?

  • gold7406

    excusetitus, very debilitating. the country should thank fox and limbaugh. without their resistance, the country would be in far worse shape.
    could anyone image if this administration was able to romp freely? every data point would be substantially worse.

  • Paul Vasek

    What Obama will never get is that many conservatives listen to people like Rush and Fox News because they actually tell the truth about Obama and that is something he doesn’t want us to know.

    • legal eagle

      They listen to Fox News and Limbaugh because they’re too old to read anymore….

  • Paul Jackson

    No Mr. Goldberg, you are letting him off too easy. My Father taught me that the only way to make an apology is to simply say, “I’m Sorry!” Mean it, hold the excuses and blame no others for your shortcomings. He believed (he was correct) people would respect and most likely accept such an apology. If they will not, no other method would have worked anyway.
    So it goes with President Obama, his Health Care Roll Out (for example) was a mess. He could have said, “I am sorry and I will make sure it is repaired, Please bear with me.” Even Rush would have fallen for that one!
    Instead he blames Bush, and the Mr. Bush, then President Bush, then the Tea Party (when there are at least 30 of them) and then back to Bush and Company.
    For a man who would not qualify for a security clearance as a Federal Janitor to disparage those who have come before to serve as best they could….is petty, spiteful and the true sign of a loser. Give the guy more (political) rope. He won’t need much more.

  • Lc Goodfellow

    I don’t care whether you are a Democrat, a Republican, a Conservative or a liberal, be aware of the attitude and character of this sitting President.

    The thing that has me worried about this Gov’t is the unknown number of Demies as
    ‘ Public Servants ‘ in our U.S. Government. You can’t call them
    ‘ Civil Servants ‘ not after 2013 and all the ‘ FiFth’s ‘ taken.
    That’s far from being ‘ Civil ‘
    - IRS, NSA, AP, F&F the Census Bureau and of course Benghazi Lies.
    There’s enough here for a century of Presidents!

    • legal eagle

      Thanks for your paranoia….have you sought medical help? You should…

  • Lc Goodfellow

    A social state by Saul Alinsky: Obama and Hillary are followers of these thoughts;

    There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.
    1) Healthcare – Control healthcare and you control the people
    2) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
    3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
    4) Gun Control – Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
    5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income)
    6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.
    7) Religion – Remove the belief in God from the Government and schools
    8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

    • gold7406

      with one big exception. o and h have found a way to become very wealthy, speaking out of both sides of their mouth.

      • legal eagle

        Obama is very wealthy? Since when?

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          He’s made millions off of his books, Legal. For someone who’s in love with the guy, you sure don’t seem to know a lot about him.

          • gold7406

            yes, like when hollywood says, “based on a true story.”

          • legal eagle

            I don’t know where you live but where I’m from a $5mil net worth hardly qualifies as “wealthy”. If Obama is wealthy what is Romney?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            That’s because the state you live in can’t get it together. A $5 million worth absolutely is wealthy, and it’s chicken feed compared to the amount of money Obama will be raking in in speaking fees once he leaves office. Romney if of course on an entirely different level.

          • D Parri

            Is it folks like Legal Weasel who are supposed to be responsible for rectifying this “income inequality” issue?

            How is it then that when compared to those who live in poverty level or under…the $5 mil level isn’t seen as wealthy? Sounds like a serious disconnect.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Looking for some semblance of logic in the income inequality crusade is a futile effort.

          • legal eagle

            It’s too bad you don’t understand income inequality…..Take a trip to Mexico if you want to see it in action…That’s what would happen in the U.S. if Republicans had their way…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Completely nonsensical argument as usual, legal. You’ve been shooting blanks for months now.

          • Lc Goodfellow

            No ! not yet. Ol’ Seagull,
            But one of these days he may have to find a real job or write another book about how he ‘Screwed’ a whole lot of people in eight years.
            He has nothing for a record in Il. so there’s nothing to write about.
            ‘Present’ or ‘Absent’ record won’t fill a book.
            At $200K for a speaker gig it won’t take him long.
            And he sure is all talk, like you.

    • Phantom

      “7) Remove the belief in god from the government and the schools.”

      I agree creationism should be taught in science class. It should only take about 5 minutes to explain that version of our origin, allowing the rest of the period for laughter.

      • Patrick

        Laughter at your “theory” that life began ‘poof’, out of thin air! Or is it aliens?

        • Josh

          I can’t tell who’s siding with what here. So I may be coming across like I’m trolling here, when in reality I’m trying to figure it out.

          I’m guessing Phantom is being sarcastic and pointing out that a Biblical story of creation has no explanatory power. But then reading your response to that, I’m further confused because “out of thin air” is the religious version of creation: A supreme deity spoke things into existence out of nothingness.

  • lark2

    Bernie, you are trying to paint a picture of the Tea Party that is not true. I am not a “member” of the Tea Party but, I agree with them. My impression of them is that they are average, everyday people who have had enough of this
    President, the Democrat Party, and the Republican establishment. I have had enough of them too. They are all LIARS and none of them can be trusted. Obama and the Democrats just want their way. The establishment Republicans don’t stand for anything … they just want to share power and they are willing to go along to get along. I am tired of them too. I want them ALL out. They need to be replaced by people who truly represent the people. I know it’s an idealistic position and I am aware it can never happen. I am certain that the politicians in power need to go!

    • legal eagle

      Your impression is based upon what? You want to rebel but you haven’t figured out that you hate everyone in politics because you’ve never had the guts to participate.

      • lark2

        legal, I don’t claim to KNOW everything but, on the basis of what I see, hear, and read … I can form an “impression”. I could be wrong about the “Tea Party” but, I have seen no evidence that they are evil people. I have been a working professional my entire life. Like many others, my life has been consumed by educational pursuits and my need to work to support myself and my family. I have had neither the time or the personal resources to mount a political campaign. Like virtually everyone else, I have the “guts to participate” but, I have been unwilling and unable to risk my family’s well being – that doesn’t mean I can’t have a point of view and my personal financial circumstances do not prevent me from criticizing politicians who say they want to “represent” me.

        • D Parri

          Pardon me, but it appears that you are participating by taking part of a discussion on the subject right now. I don’t think Legal Weasel’s comment was accurate.

          Then again, that wasn’t the purpose of his intended insult towards you. Never is.

          • lark2

            D Parri, I understand.

        • legal eagle

          The Tea Party is a political organization funded by wealthy right wingers and promoted by paranoid right wingers like Roger Ailes.
          The Tea Party came into existence after the 2008 election as a change of brand for Republicans, who were embarrassed in the 2008 elections and more embarrassed by the disaster known as George W. Bush..
          Political parties are not “evil”. It is a time honored tradition in America to claim you “hate” politicians. However, your quote that all politicians are liars is not only untrue but is ridiculously petulant. I believe your smarter than to feed in to stereotypes.

          • lark2

            Legal, visualize a sidewalk on one side of the Grand Canyon and another sidewalk on the other side … those are the paths we travel. I respect you, I “see” you and I am happy you are there but, we will NEVER meet. This forum is more generalized in nature and I don’t want either one of us to waste our time AND I don’t think it’s particularly fair for others to have to wade through our morass. While I certainly enjoy our exchanges, we NEED to agree to disagree because … you are the quintessential New York Liberal and I left N.Y. long ago … literally and figuratively. Never the twain shall met.

          • legal eagle

            All politicians are liars…..that nonsensical statement has nothing to do with any political divide….It has to do with the fact that using political clichés is much easier than discussing specifics or putting forth any facts to support your opinions…

          • Jeff Webb

            There is no such thing as a major social movement that hasn’t gotten support from the well-off, LE; even grassroots organizations can catch the interest of engaged millionaires.

            As unacceptable as it is to you, left-wingers like Soros and Weinstein aren’t the only ones with the right to fund their causes.

  • ulyssesmsu

    Oooh–good column, Bernie. Even channeling Shakespeare at the end. You are so right. This man can never look honestly at himself. He’s nothing but a hollow shell. The history books will look back in dismay that America ever sank so low to elect as president such an incredible Freudian mess.

    • legal eagle

      Lets not make the same mistake again and elect any more of those black folks…..LOL

      • Jeff Webb

        You might stop LOL-ing if you realized you just equated EVERY black person with being a dishonest Freudian mess whose election will be a historical disappointment.

        You consistently act more racist than anyone else who’s ever posted here, and it’s more pathetic than funny.

  • susandanielspi

    He is a drug addict and a gay narcissist. And he will never turn any conservative into thinking that any of that is good.

    • legal eagle

      A great example of the Duck Dynasty wing of the Republican Party..LMAO

  • Lc Goodfellow

    Some of you got what you wanted. So let me be the first to say,
    ” Suck it up sucker ! ”

    Romney’s Bain
    Capital invested PRIVATE MONEY in:
    AMC Entertainment – 1500 Theaters, 18,550 Employees.
    Burger King – 8432 stores in the United States with 10′s of thousands of Employees.
    Burlington Coat Factory – 475 stores, 28,729 Employees.
    Clear Channel Communications – 20,000 Employees.
    Domino’s Pizza – 10,000 Employees.
    Dunkin’ Donuts 10,000 stores, thousands of Employees.
    Guitar Center – 225 stores, hundreds of Employees.
    The Sports Authority – 14,300 Employees.
    Staples – 1575 stores and thousands of employees.
    Toys “R” Us – Toys ‘R’ Us has 836 stores with thousands of employees.
    Warner Music Group – 3,700 Employees.

    Obama invested USA TAXPAYER MONEY in:
    Solyndra – BANKRUPT
    Ener 1 – BANKRUPT
    Beacon Power – BANKRUPT
    Abound Solar – BANKRUPT
    Amonix Solar – BANKRUPT
    Spectra Watt – BANKRUPT
    Eastern Energy – BANKRUPT
    GM Volt – Solyndra on wheels – $49,000 cost to taxpayers for each one sold.

    $900 Billion Dollars with NO Jobs.
    NOTE: All of these companies were Obama campaign contributors.

    The Choice was CLEAR…Did you want a BUSINESSMAN who has GENERATED BILLIONS or A President who has WASTED TRILLIONS?

    Obama and Reid(Herr Dr. Frankinstein) got what they wanted.

    • wally12

      Great information and follows my thinking that Obama’s goal is to promote socialism and not free market solutions. He has a dislike for industry and business that is privately owned and operated by the free market principals. His goal is to expand governmental control over the lives of all citizens. He proved this by his policies to increase the cost of existing fossil fuel energies in order to make green energies competitive. As you clearly noted many of his policies and stimulus have failed and cost the economy and tax payers dearly. As I noted in a comment further down in this listing, If Obama had instead pushed for energy independence and a goal to be the least cost energy producer, the cost would be $2 less per gallon. That policy would have used private funds rather than government/tax payer money and would equate to a stimulus of $387 billion per year. In governmental accounting, the savings/ stimulus would amount to well over $11 trillion over 10 years since money added to the economy expands somewhere around 3 times as it turns over in other areas.

      • legal eagle

        Another economic genius? Still haven’t figured out the US does not control the world price of oil…The US cannot be energy “self sufficient” because we have too many cars….Do a little research…Cars run on gasoline not crude oil…

        • wally12

          And of course you are an economic genius? Of course I know the US doesn’t control the world price. I never said it did . What I was saying is that the point that the US has a larger supply of oil and sells a large share of it , we become able to drop the price as a means of forcing other suppliers to meet our prices rather than having the price influenced by the the other foreign suppliers. The number of cars the US has is a positive. Plus, the more cars the world has equates to more dollars that the US government gets in tax revenue. Also, a drop in oil prices has a positive effect on US and world security. By the way my car runs on coal via electric power.

          • legal eagle

            So you believe it’s in Exxon’s interest to lower the price of oil? Whose interest is it in? Do you think the price of oil is determined by supply and demand? You car may run on coal or natural gas or a combination of the two depending on where you live…

          • wally12

            Yes! Exxon would drop the price of oil as the cost per barrel goes down. They would lose business if they didn’t. The price per barrel is an item called expense just as any material is for a supplier of any product. Exxon is no different than any other company. Their costs include materials, labor, overhead, taxes and profit. The profit they need is determined by a percent of their total costs. When material costs go down, Exxon competitors will lower their price as a means of capturing more market share. That is what free enterprise is all about.

          • legal eagle

            The oil market is a monopolistic entity…It ceased being a free market entity when the government allowed Big Oil to merge……I’m talking real world, you’re talking theory.

          • wally12

            Sorry but the largest oil producer that beat Exxon was

            PetroChina. Also Exxon has other competitors. Thus there are plenty of competitors who compete with Exxon. The Middle East cartel has a definite influence on the price of oil. All they need to do is to withhold oil production and the price goes up. Check it out.

          • legal eagle

            My point is that oil is a monopolistic oligarchy with few big players in the U.S. market and few in the refinery business…While supply and demand is a factor it is not the force it is in other commodities ie..metals and grains…Exxon has competitors but prices are set by not only producers but also futures traders. The fact is that the U.S. is highly dependent on the gasoline market which has not many competitors…
            I’m not saying your theory is incorrect What I am saying is that oil/gasoline prices are affected by numerous factors with supply being artificially controlled by a relative few companies and cartels…

    • Bryan

      Yes, but it just wouldn’t do to vote for a ……shudder!…..Morman “cultist”!!!!! We can’t have that!

      Better an America hating socialist any day!

      Note to all liberal readers (you need explanations): The above is just a wee bit of sarcasm.

    • legal eagle

      Making an investment in someone else’s company doesn’t mean the investor created jobs? Bain Capital’s only job creation is it’s own employees….Investing in the stock market does not create jobs, it hopefully creates wealth for the investors..
      Either you are disingenuous or are ignorant about the private equity business.

    • D Parri

      I see that Legal Weasel is still making some of this most ignorant statements on this site.

      Capital investment doesn’t help create jobs? Capital investment is not a prerequisite to adding such mundane things as office buildings, factories, equipment and new technologies, inventory?

      Now, when you invest $900 billion and there are no jobs, or even residual jobs in the offing, it is an extremely clear statement upon the investor and an unbelievably terrible track record for investing.

      Obama wins the prize.

      • legal eagle

        You should get a job as a PR for Gordon Gecko…..Obviously you know little about how Wall Street makes their money….

        • Jeff Webb

          You’ve made your position clear, that LC and D Parri are wrong and lack your knowledge on the subject. Now please point out what makes their comments wrong.

          What would you have told the people running those companies to do, which would’ve had a more positive effect on the companies, their workers, and the overall economy than Bain’s services?

          You ended an apparent statement with a question mark. As an actual question, it merits asking you:
          >>Making an investment in someone else’s company doesn’t mean the investor created jobs?<< I know what it meant as a statement, but what I'm getting at is what is the likelihood a businessperson will hire people without being invested in?

          Obama has gotten praise for saving the economy & creating jobs via the stimulus. I was under the impression it led to businesses getting investment money. What did it do for businesses that's different and/or better than what a private equity firm does?

          You're certainly convinced you know far more than DP and LC, and it appears that you don't consider me in your league either. Since you've said you'll answer my questions, and you're all about the facts, I'm now looking forward to being schooled by your answers.

          • legal eagle

            First, I assume you are aware that Bain capital does not invest it’s own money. It is generally investing “institutional” money from pension funds, foreign investors and/or wealthy individuals who can make a minimum investment of $1-5 mil…Bain, hedge funds, banks etc. are funding mechanisms for real estate projects, corporate needs etc. Corporations generally are forced go to private equity, hedge funds etc. because they cannot get bank financing which is usually far cheaper , with fewer strings attached.
            Bain does not create businesses it finances them. A good analogy Is the motion picture business. Studios don’t create films, they finance films. Record companies do not create music, they finance the creative person.
            So most businesses cannot move, beyond a certain stage, without financing. Bain makes it’s money on finance charges and getting warrants, if the business is successful. It takes little, if any risk, with it’s own money.
            Obama gets political points for “saving” the economy. Economically, it can be the “lender of last resort”. The stimulus was helpful in financing certain corporate entities that could not get financing ie. GM, AIG, Fannie Mae and others. In my opinion, the stimulus was necessary to create economic momentum. I do not believe that governments create jobs in the private sector but it can be a lifeline when credit has dried up. as in did in 2008.
            On your final question…when the stock market is crashing or highly volatile private equity firms cannot raise investment money….During the 2007-2009 period there was little, if any, private equity money available, hence the need for government intervention.
            GO SEAHAWKS…

          • Jeff Webb

            Nobody said Bain creates businesses. I’ll ask again:
            What would you have told the people running those companies to do, which would’ve had a more positive effect on the companies, their workers, and the overall economy than Bain’s services?

            What about my second question?

            The last question was based on your point that investment didn’t necessarily create jobs, which most of us likely know is only one thing that can happen as a result. It seemed like a red herring. Bain’s help might have helped create jobs when all was said & done, but its services did help people keep their jobs and their employers get back on solid footing.
            So why’s it wrong for a company to help others with private money but right for govt to do so with tax money?

  • db cooper

    for oblather to blame fox and rush when he has hollywood and all others across the media spectrum watching his back is ludicrous . . . the american people are learning to see through his fog of baloney speak.

  • trooth

    Your “few facts” is really the tip of the iceberg.

  • lemonfemale

    One thing demonstrates the falsity of Obama’s claim. The Fox and Rush people were never in his camp. The ones that were and have now left him are not them. So the fact his numbers are falling has another explanation, I say because people learn from experience.

  • veeper

    “… there is a Republican base of voters for whom compromise with me is a betrayal.”

    frigging hypocrite …

    Not the same words but exactly the same message Romney said during Prez. election about a percentage that would never vote for him….

    the media, and obama’s campaign attacked romney as if he had killed a black person during the campaign….

    • legal eagle

      Thanks for your bigotry……you are in the right place…

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        Legal, are you going to have more time on your hands now that MSNBC fired you as their official twitterer?

        • legal eagle

          I’m not much of a tweeter but if they want to hire me I am available at the right price…..

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            That price, of course, being daily hugs from Chris Matthews. ;)

          • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

            Hahaha! Even Legal has to admit your post and John Daley’s above are funny!

          • Lc Goodfellow

            ? … is that the same as most ‘Hooker’s … ?’

            FYI-It’s really ‘Legal seagull’ ask anyone that puts up with this phony.
            I heard it from the Preacher.

      • Bryan

        For the record, there is absolutely nothing in Veeper’s comments that can in any reasonable way be interpreted as racism.

        As I’ve pointed out in this same forum in the past, recognizing the racism of others is not racism, its perspicacity.

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Legal Eagle sees racism in any post that doesn’t praise Obama. Sad but true.

      • veeper

        You just love looking foolish…don’t you….

    • D Parri

      If you think about it though, even if you accept his comment without qualifying it, that still wasn’t as offensive as Nazi Pelosi’s statement that they would pass ObamaCare “with or without” the Republican vote to approve.

      It sure sounds like she didn’t give a flip about whether the Republican Party even existed…much less about whether she was interested in reaching any compromise with them.

  • 1Shalom1

    Thanks, Bernie. The voice of reason !

  • Alexander Shaskevich

    The last sentence was perfect. The problem usually lies within ourselves.

  • brickman

    Hey, didn’t you write a book on media bias?

    • veeper

      I think he wrote about 3 or 4 on the subject….

      • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

        All of Bernie’s books are great. I’ve read them all.

  • gbandy

    The real reason Obama’s popularity has dropped is he is just a liar and will say anything to make himself look good. Al Qaeda is not on the ropes, there was not video that caused Benghazi, You cannot keep your own insurance or doctor. Oh the list goes on and on. A community organizer was elected twice………Period.

    • joepotato

      Well now, you wouldn’t expect an Indonesian posing as a US citizen to become “president” to be honest and forthright would you? He can’t be honest, because to do that would expose the hoax aka a con…

      • Jeff Webb

        I hope you’re just kidding around, Joe. If you’re not, at the very least try not to stoop to stuff like calling others racists or cult members.

    • legal eagle

      Wow…what insight…..Any more talking points you care to repeat?

  • Mikal Gastpipe

    As usual, Bernie’s right. As long as there is a side of the fourth estate that lapdog’s it up, the lone boogeyman will get the spotlight, EVERYTIME, with this ‘Administration’, and I use THAT term loosely!

  • pupster40

    “The issue has been the inability of my message to penetrate the Republican base”. The trouble with this is, his message HAS penetrated and has been rejected on the basis that it is based on a destructive nature. It is also completely and utterly politically notivated. I want to be the King that Nixon couldn’t become, is the STATEMENT.

  • Smith

    OOOPS sorry Tim. Didn’t see your comment before I typed mine. Anyway GMTA (great minds think alike :-) )

  • Smith

    You can’t negotiate with a known and confirmed LIAR.

  • Ted Crawford

    It’s true, Obama has , often displayed his willingness to negotiate! “The Election is over! I WON!” or “They can come along, they just need to ride in the back!”
    More recently he displayed this willingness by shuting down the Government rather than delay some provisions in PPACA, that he has since “decided” to….well DELAY!
    Example of Obama’s disingenuous rhetoric, Possibly – OBAMA – ” I want that shut-down immediately!” REPUBLICAN HOUSE – ” Mr. President, that will take a few hours to accomplish” OBAMA – “The Republicans again Refuse to negotiate with me!”

  • Marian Degner

    Bernie, you wrong about President goes on war with Fox News, look he’s doing interview with O’Railly, Sean Hanity,Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh their Start War with this President from Day One! All about becouse he don’t do what their like to do First! Beck promoting Israel politics Not USA Politics, Hanity promoting Romney’s and Reach peoples, Limbaugh promoting Tea Party rightwing extremists like Ted Cruz. and list of special interest go and go, But nobody from those Care about Majority regular Citizens! That’s why USA I think need 3-rd. party Independents!

    • Ted Crawford

      WOW ! ! ! You’re proof positive of the addage:
      “A message can travel around the World, in a fraction of a second! However that last 1/4 inch, between the Ear Drum and the Brain, can often take a Lifetime!”

      • Marian Degner

        It’s your case, not mine.

        • Jeff Webb

          Sadly for you, your little variation of “I know you are but what am I?” is about as compelling as argument as every other comment you’ve posted.

          • Marian Degner

            I ‘m sad for you guys who make fun of me and Democrats & poor or middle class peoples in this Nation and I will continued pray for you, but if you don’t reach God I will say I ‘m very happy my comments irrigate you, because peoples of this Nation understand me very well and their was and will be determine to defeat This Party of ” NO ” and GOP again and again with our voice and support ! We going to take the House back and Reelect Democrat again and again !!!

          • Jeff Webb

            I can assure you, I never get wet reading your comments. I feel a little pity for your teachers, but that’s about it.

    • Skip in VA

      I really think you’re going to like living in the USA once you learn how to speak English and type coherent messages. Until then I suggest you use a dictionary and buy a copy of Rosetta Stone.

    • legal eagle

      Your attempt to deal in facts is not appreciated on this site….Stick to the B.S. that Goldberg’s fellow cult members are used to reading….

      • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

        That’s not nice, Legal. In all fairness, if we are cult members of Goldberg’s you are a cult member of Obama’s. No cult stuff here, just a bunch of conservatives who love our country. Someone’s not working well and playing nice with others.

        • legal eagle

          You don’t “love” your country…you love whining about Democrats…..while collecting your Social Security and Medicare provided to you by the Democrats….I call that hypocrisy..

          • Jeff Webb

            >>while collecting your Social Security and Medicare provided to you by the Democrats.<<

            lol You're actually boosting democrats for giving money back to us that we would've invested more competently, and for an inefficient program from which they took $700 billion and shredded.

            God bless ya, LE, always entertaining.

          • legal eagle

            You could have invested more competently because you’re an investment genius…among your other talents.
            If you new how Medicare works you’d know that you’re just repeating a Romney talking point…which was b.s.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>You could have invested more competently because you’re an investment genius…among your other talents.<>If you new how Medicare works you’d know that you’re just repeating a Romney talking point…which was b.s.<<

            lol Said the guy who lets out MSNBC talking points like they're Co2.

            Like I said, entertaining.

          • legal eagle

            As I rarely watch MSNBC I will leave the talking points to you….As I did work in the world of Wall Street for almost 20 years I would say my experience in investing and minimizing risk is probably a bit greater than yours….

          • Jeff Webb

            >>As I rarely watch MSNBC I will leave the talking points to you….<>As I did work in the world of Wall Street for almost 20 years I would say my experience in investing and minimizing risk is probably a bit greater than yours….<<

            Oh, I don't doubt it. And yet, it's still completely idiotic to suggest politicians, especially liberal ones, are remotely responsible with money.

          • Integrity

            You can’t be serious LE. You don’t see the irony in this? I guess if someone signs up for Obamacare because the law recently eliminated the plan they were fine with, they are now hypocrites? QED

          • legal eagle

            Social Security and Medicare have nothing to do with Obamacare….I guess you have a need to change the subject?

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Social Security and Medicare have nothing to do with Obamacare….I guess you have a need to change the subject?<<

            Really, LE? That's all you could muster?
            You couldn't discuss the topic head-on, limited your argument to empty insults, and got easily owned.
            You have a need to distract from the debate, and that's not a guess.

          • Integrity

            I think you live under the delusion that you are nobler and wiser than the rest of us racists, morons, cultists and bitter old white men. This is evident by your belief that our Social Security and Medicare benefits are provided to us by the Democrats, or words to that effect. How rich. Has it occurred to you that we were not given a choice whether we wanted to participate in the program or not, and therefore, collecting the benefits we begrudgingly paid into is simply making the most out of a bad situation and not hypocritical? The biggest hypocrites, in my opinion, are those that love the big Government programs, yet take every tax deduction and credit allowable by law. I could debate you ad nauseum about the serious problems with these massive and intrusive Government programs are causing, but I think it would be pointless. I am beginning to wonder if you are capable of debating on my level. QED

          • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

            I’m not collecting anything, silly. Social Security and Medicare are creepy. Old folks don’t “love” these programs, they just don’t have much of a choice since the feds practically force this stuff on them. The feds should leave us alone and let us handle our own retirement, thank you.

  • Tim

    You can’t negotiate with a Liar.

    • guest

      President Obama you blamed everyone but yourself. you have shown your true colors and most of us don’t appreciate what you are doing. we are the United States of America In God we trust (even though you speak about God in a government building you get fired). many of your actions are against everything America stands for. Including turning your back on Israel. that is a very big mistake. I really wanted you to do a good job. first black person to be president that is a high honor and you are blowing it. get the constitution out and read it. the bill of rights. Cruz and all those with him are trying to keep our country and the constitution bill of rights and many other things that people died for, in tack….He is turning his back on the truth and doing what ever he wants to not ok.

      • legal eagle

        I’m sure you wanted Obama to do well…..LMAO….

  • scott autry

    Remember how the Hollywood elite liked to go to have photo ops with Hugo Chavez and Castro? Remember how when Obama came of age all the rage, out there among the farther Left, was about “revolution”?

    When I hear Obama bemoaning how he is disappointed even the most powerful man in the most powerful government on Earth can’t get what he wants done – due to those darn obstructionists —

    —- I give much thanks to America’s founding fathers. Whatever faults they had, the did setup our government to have checks-and-balances – to prevent too much power coming into the hands of too few people.

    “Damn democracy!” is what I get out of the middle and farther Left.

  • LHS

    Very good, Bernie. It won’t help, though. He doesn’t listen to anyone who disagrees with him, and is apparently not responsible for and knows NOthing about ANYthing that goes awry. Ever. Worst president in my memory. And I recall eleven of them in my lifetime…so far.

    • legal eagle

      Your memory is obviously not working well… I would suggest you take your meds before it’s too late…

  • Ron Bon Jovi

    Well written Mr. Goldberg. Thank you.

  • Cheryl

    Bernie, you should add to your argument that Obama and his liberal base have turned conservatives into caricatures of stupid flat-earthers who want to throw granny over the cliff, want the poor to starve and suffer, want to deny women the right to USE contraceptives, and don’t care about the health and well being of the average American. If conservatives are skeptical about Obama’s intentions to negotiate in good faith, he has only himself to blame.

  • Drew Page

    I’ve spent the last 25 years of my working career in sales and I’ve learned a few things along the way. One of the first things I learned was never lie to your customers, your reputation is all you really have and once you have lost credibility you can never get it back. Another thing I’ve learned is that it is highly unlikely you will keep a customer by blaming your competition for failing to meet your customers needs/demands. Trying to convince a customer that what you have sold them was really better for them than what they wanted is also something I’ve learned that doesn’t work well.
    A lot of people thought Bernie Madoff was a genius. A lot of people think Barack Obama is a genius. We know what happened to those who believed in Madoff. Only time will tell what happens to those who believe in Obama.

    • LHS

      You are absolutely correct about lying and I hope you are correct on the Madoff/Obama comparison, Drew, but I’m afraid Mr. Obama will come out of his disasterous tenure unscathed since his cocoon is made up of the MSM, the unions and the entire DNC. They will rewrite any history to support their illusions and agenda. Thirty years later, “1984″ is becoming painfully obvious even to the dull and uninformed.

      • Drew Page

        LHS, I’m afraid we Americans have become so divided on along liberal and conservative lines that compromise seems almost unimaginable. It seems that honest differences of opinion have degenerated into hatreds. It seems we can’t communicate without name calling, exaggerating and excusing current bad behavior by comparing it to previous bad behavior. This hurts our country and all of us. It saddens me. I hope that one day we will have leaders that can unite Americans once again and heal the wounds of unbridled partisanship.

    • Lc Goodfellow

      Obama is the single most overrated politician of my lifetime.

      The country is in a lot of trouble not because of who is in the White House. We are in trouble because of the kind of thinking at large that put him there.

      ” If the people cannot trust their government to do the job for which it exists – to protect them and to promote their common welfare -
      all else is lost. ” – B.H.Obama

  • MontanaMade

    ummm… Mr POTUS- something to think about: YOU need to compromise with the conservative base rather than them compromising with you.

    There IS a difference…

  • savage24

    It is hard to give credit or put any faith in a man that lies was much as Obama. And those that call him on his lies are destined to become his whipping post. Fox News really does not call him on his lies, they just don’t credit them as accomplishments while Rush Linbaugh will call a spade a spade. What is amazing is that both are equal in the eyes of Obama, so it seems that if you are not gushing with love for the “I Won” you are the enemy.

  • Buzzeroo

    The so-called “Tea Party” wouldn’t exist were it not for Obama’s ruinous,irrational fiscal and social policies along with his constitutionally criminal behavior in office coupled with his incessant, trip hammer like delivery of lies. Therefore it is unfair to say that they would never agree with anything that he says because if he wasn’t conducting such a criminal enterprise in his crass, thuggish execution of the duties and responsibilities vested in the highest office of our land, they never would have come into being thereby making it impossible for them to agree or disagree

    • Ted Crawford

      Indeed! This parallels my political progression. I began my political involvement in the late ’60′s’, while recovering from my injuries recieved in Nam. I went to work in the campaign of Pat Schroeder (D) Colorado, after just a couple of years, I left! In disgust at what the Democrat party had become! At that time they were still in the process of purging their Liberals!
      I’ve spent the years from then to Obama as a Conservative Moderate. In response to the egregious ideology of Obama and the Progressive Minions in Congress, I finally plunged all the way into the Republican Party, only to find that they, similar to the Democrats before, are well into the purging of all their Conservatives!
      I have been somewhat astonished since then at the utter idiocy of both the DNC and the RNC! Perhaps Mr Mecken explained it, at least viewed from his perspective it fits the current and even past circumstances!
      “The one permenant emotion of inferior man is FEAR! Fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants most is safety!
      Most people want safety in this World not Liberty!”
      It certainly explains the recent actions of John McCain, Karl Rove and RMSP and their Multi-Million Dollar assult on Conservatives, NOT Progressives, but rather Conservatives!
      Nostrum Fortuna Est Paro!

      • veeper

        Joe Biden has said in the past that the group that he came to Washington with, the wave of politicians that came in as a result of Watergate and viet nam, wanted to change government…..

        but, they only made it worse…..

        Biden is part of the group of career politicians, Dem and Repub, we have now that the baby boomer generation took their eyes off of and allowed them to do pretty much whatever they wanted to do…..

        Obama just showed up…..but, the “obama” situation has been growing for a long time…..

        • Ted Crawford

          I believe we are in agreement here. My take is that, as you suggest, the ball has been in play for a while, but they lacked a charismatic spokesman untill Obama!
          However with these “poke-it-with-a-stick” Republicans doing nearly nothing to rein-in their runaway rhetoric, forcing milquetoast Candidates on us, the Progressives, for the first time in American history, have a real chance of “Fundamentally Changing’ our form of Government!
          It seems to me, given their actions, and rhetoric, that the Poke-it-with-a-stickers;IE: McCain,. Graham, Rove, McConnell, Christie, O’Reilly and even Mr. Goldberg himself intend once again to ram a weak-kneed candidate on the Republican 2016 ticket! Christie, or recently they seem to be attempting to reincarnate Romney! Don’t get me wrong I do believe that Romney would make a good President. However he couldn’t handle Obama and he surly won’t be able to handle Hillary either!

    • veeper

      The U.S. Constitution came about as a direct result of Americans rebelling against unfair taxation and tyranny from government….

      The same rebellion that brought G.Washington out of retirement to become the first Potus…..

      The same rebellion that brought out the flaws of government under the Articles of Confederation….

      This was after the American rebellion against Britain and after the war was over…..

      What the Tea party is doing is simply the same thing that has always come about when people finally grow tired of being abused by government….

    • joepotato

      Gee that sounds racist (just kidding) ……:-)

  • Patriot502003

    True Benghazi Boogeyman is the “Top Spook” John Brennan.

  • Wheels55

    Once Obama and his close followers referred to conservatives as the enemy and evil, Obama pretty much burned up any goodwill he may have had. Obama was actually cursed his first two years of having the House and Senate being majority Obama lovers – he didn’t have to try. I wonder just how stupid this guy is not to know that all elected officials in Washington have egos that can be bruised – not just him.

  • Kevin

    The president is the product of a monstrously dishonest media complex. But why would he feel the need to be honest when he can rely on the protection of the monster who created the man? A sort of reverse Frankenstein plot. I ask, who is the real monster in America stalking and terrorizing the average citizen, a government run by a tyrant, or a media complex that is complicit?

    • LHS

      Media complex.

  • Florida Jim

    WE are watching a dying whale flop around as he loses his bearings, sad but our country I more important than this man.

    • Marian Degner

      His just a human with strong good,heart smart brain and strong desire to help suffering peoples in this Nation! And those peoples Ill’ safe this whale!

      • wally12

        Obama may have a strong heart but please do no suggest it is in the right place. Obama is a number of things. He is a socialist and he will push any agenda that furthers this ideology. That includes keeping poor and the middle class in their present and miserable condition while saying that he is for them. He does this to keep their approval and votes. This attitude and his actions in not pursuing real economic recovery policies clearly illustrate his plans to keep as many people dependent on the government as possible. He did this by using excuses to cover his plans. This includes stating that man made global warming is real and is due to the burning of fossil fuel emissions. He then used the EPA to regulate CO2 emissions. Next he announced that he would make existing energies so expensive that coal power plants would be impossible to build economically. He supported the stimulus to banks and the resulting increase in the stock market where as it improved, resulted in a larger gap between the rich and everyone else. None of the stimulus that he said he would improve the economy have worked. Remember his shovel ready projects that he finally admitted were not shovel ready? How about the stimulus where millions of funds were given to green energies with little to no improvements and in fact have resulted in some of these businesses to go bankrupt?
        If instead of pushing the green energies, he should have pushed to make the US completely energy independent and the least cost producer in the world. That action would have resulted in less cost per gallon on gas, oil and coal. A reduction of $2 per gallon less for gas would equate to a privately funded stimulus of $287 billion per year to the economy. It would help the poorest the most since it frees of money that would be used for other necessities. However, the $287 billion would be compounded through all sectors of the economy.

        • Marian Degner

          1./Shovel ready, yeah you need to check on Feds and Cramer about changing Wall Street aproach.
          2./Killing Bin Laden got more done than Iraq war. GOP will bring the Nation to vorst recession, so Dems need to Fix for them. It’s price tag on that = ACA!
          3./Energy independents it’s on right track.
          4./Economy ill’ improve after Immigration compromise &I signature by President!

          • MontanaMade

            where did you get those rose colored glasses? They are simply divine!
            you see, on THIS planet, you are completely wrong on every point!

          • Marian Degner

            You don’t have a clue about business, so idiotic comment ! I just talk and help to your Senator pass Farm bill so, you can make more Sugar beets and Corn and more Ethanol, so shu..f…up !

          • MontanaMade

            well, there’s a compelling argument: “so shu..f…up !”

            Since I have been in business for over 35 years and owned my own for a large portion of that, I can say that yes, I do know business. But just for arguments sake- let’s roll through your points, shall we?

            1- Even Obama admitted the jobs weren’t there from the stimulus. Fact is, it was a net LOSS. The CBO estimated that 3.3M FT jobs were created from the stimulus, however MUCH more than that were lost during the same time frame, and spending for infrastructure (which is why there was a stimulus in the first place) is today at record lows!
            2- Killing Bin Laden was a definite high point- but it did nothing to stop al Qaeda- they are as strong or stronger today than they have ever been- look at Iraq in Fallujah- their flag is flying over the city- the city we fought for and won!!! Obama is letting Iraq down and letting terrorists set up camp wherever they want to. Iran is gaining strength with the backing of Russia, and Obama cannot stand up for America and push back. He has no backbone.
            3- Energy independence? Where did you get that?? From the SOTU speech? We are NOT independent!!! The reason more drilling is going on today in the US is because it’s all happening on PRIVATE LAND! Exploration on federal lands is again at historic lows. If Obama REALLY cared about the economy and jobs and real energy independence- he would open those areas up for exploration and extraction. THEN, we would be independent- all the while we could be developing alternative energy sources for the future that actually work! MANY jobs would be created and fuel prices would go down- causing a explosion of work in America in the work force. The unemployment rate would plummet to all time lows. Obama has the power to initiate this- but he won’t…
            4- Economy will NOT improve after immigration reform. It will only add to the bloated unemployment rolls as all those that take from the system that are undocumented become documented- the numbers will be overwhelming! And those that still work and pay taxes will see those same taxes increase. The US is trying to kill off the goose that lays the golden eggs by taxing them to extinction.
            By the way- where are you from? I don’t believe you’re not from around here.

          • wally12

            Tell me how $85 billion per month into the money market helps the poor? I believe it helped me and those who had funds in IRA’s, 401k’s and the stock market

            but it didn’t help the poor very much. Killing Bin Laden did nothing but help Obama get reelected. Obama’s claim that the terrorists were defeated and not a significant terror group to contend with. He was wrong again. Al Queda is still strong and getting stronger. It is clearly seen in the terror attacks in the Middle East ACA will result in additional US war efforts in the near future.The ACA will slow the growth to the economy but that will be proved out in the books of history unless they are written by only democrats. Obama and his energy policy had zero affect of the growth that is seen in the energy industry. In fact, it was his policy to restrict growth in the existing energy industries of coal,oil and gas. In fact, Obama’s policy was to increase the cost of oil, gas and coal. Obama couldn’t stop the increase in exploration and drilling on private lands and couldn’t stop fracking. The oil and gas sector is the only positive growth in the economy and it is proven that the unemployment in Texas and N. Dakota are at 2.5% and 3% respectively. Most of those economies are high oil and gas producers. Any immigration law will have very little boost to the economy.

          • Marian Degner

            ..Those billions helps created over 7 million private sector jobs,and stabilize economy to next step…maybe you with you money don’t created any, but some did. But Feds stop printing money, so this will help against inflation. How you know about Al Queda, you just support them with those statements? Those new Radical Extremists Islamic groups are Not all from Al Queda ! But we have to destroy them! Their ideology it’s the same, but the main network going to died, like all !!! ACA doesn’t have anything to do with Middle East. Thats a demagogy! Energy independents was Not better in this Millennium than Now! You just don’t going to admit that, anyway !
            Immigration law will not only boost economy about 3 trillions for next 2 decades inside of US marketplace, but ill’ open door to more Independents from small businesses to help and support Center GOP, US traditions, free market, entrepreneurship and Innovations in US industries and boost US exports with alliances markets and 3 economies cheap resources for US companies ! Democracy, Western / US style Economy needed and ill’ prevail in EU, up to the Ural and later in the Asia as well ! That’s how we roll & this is the future !!! God Bless the USA !

          • wally12

            Tell me what jobs did they create for the poor and middle class?
            Next, the feds did not stop printing money. They reduced the amount that they inject into the system by about 10 billion as I recall. They have along way to go to get to zero.
            I am not sure what you read in my statement about Al Queda. I didn’t say anything about the percentage of Al Queda in any terrorist groups. I just said they are there and I believe in significant numbers. You are right they need to be destroyed. I never said anything about appeasement with them.
            Next, I probably should have separated my thoughts into paragraphs but I figured you would understand. I was wrong not to make my thoughts more clear and similar to yours?
            We do not have energy independence today and haven’t had any for decades and maybe longer. Only a concentrated effort by meaningful and less restrictive regulations plus unlimited drilling and production will get the US to energy independence and to the lowest energy provider in the world.
            Immigration will result in less jobs for the US citizens in areas such as construction. Thus, continuing immigration will result in more exist citizens to lose their jobs and to end up unemployed and on government assistance. Prove that it will boost the economy by 3 Trillion.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Immigration law will not only boost economy about 3 trillions for next 2 decades inside of US marketplace…<<

            The ratio of capable unemployed citizens to available jobs is at least 3 to 1. That's just counting people who are still actively seeking work, not ALL unemployed people. There are less net jobs in existence now than when when the stimulus took effect.

            Granting instant citizenship to millions of illegals (giving the shaft to their fellow countrymen following the rules and are still waiting, BTW) will boost nothing except the blood pressure of frustrated unemployed Americans, Marian. You're recommending using paint thinner to extinguish a fire.

          • SAWB69

            You, madam (sir?), are an idiot. Not only your ideas, but you can’t even write the English language! Go back to school and learn some grammar, for God’s sake.

        • Marian Degner

          You are not right about President and Socialist. I watching, listening All, from GOP, Dems and Him. And I did Before experienced socialisms And I help To take them Down in Velvet Revolution, so don’t tell me who it’s and who it’s not Socialist, please. Saved .
          Only Socialist in US Senate it’s peoples around and like the Vermont man !

          • wally12

            You have every right to have your opinion. Sorry but I have the same right. Instead of arguing if someone is or is not socialist, tell me how any of Obama’s policies have helped the US climb out of this recession. Any positive movement upward in the economy is due to private influence and not Obama’s policies.

  • Steve

    “i’m not the caricature you see on Fox News” etc… give me a break! Here we go again it’s all about him. There’s so much narcissism there’s no room for leadership. This kind of stuff ranks with being insulted by way of your Air Jordans and shooting the transgressor. I suggest that the President stop watching so much Fox News and start watching MSNBC where real character assassins ply their trade.

    • MontanaMade

      problem is that they have a very symbiotic relationship: in that Obama feeds MSNBC & they feed him… Obama actually believes everything that comes from that, and I say this loosely with a heavy dose of sarcasm, “news network”.

      • Steve

        Certainly MSNBC feeds his ego but unfortunately the taxpayer feeds his face.

  • Jarob54

    “What a guy, a regular messiah,” Well 2000 years and he ain’t shown yet. We kept is seat warm and the table set. But this aint’ no second sitting of the Last Supper, This is the last hurrah for the Emperor President. The same president who received standing ovations from democrats when he procalimed, he go it alone, if need be. After all the man as a pen, and a phone. And a pen and phone will do what? Pitiful!

    • Marian Degner

      Leader with courage!

      • Jarob54

        If you mean a leader with courage and are refering to Mr Obama, I have some real estate to sell you.

  • Thomas Duke

    I’ve never felt as “unrepresented” as I do now…. POTUS is ALWAYS looking for the “boogyman” to blame his current situation on and has some serious issues….

    • Marian Degner

      Self defense…best attack!

  • Ed I

    Compromise doesn’t have the same definition for Democrats, especially the Left, as it does for the rest of us. Having set across the table from liberal and Leftist Democrats while trying to solve a significant public problem, I can tell you with certainty that to them when they say compromise that only means you giving them what they want. What they want seldom has the public’s interest at heart since they believe their policies are the only ones best for the country regardless of what the overwhelming majority of the public might believe (e.g. Affordable Care Act opposed buy the majority since day one.) Whenever the Democrats scream to the press that the Republicans want compromise, what they mean is the Republicans will not give the Democrats want they want. For the Democrats to compromise means them not getting ALL that they want this time. And as soon as you do agree to compromise or even lean in their direction they are already telling the media that you are continuing to refuse to compromise as the plot how to get you again to move in their direction. Few people realize that since the mid-1930s the Democratic Party has controlled the Congress over 75% of the time. Even when Republicans had a majority those majorities were often too small to pass anything without compromising with the Democrats. The one fault I have with the Tea Party is that they do not seem to understand these political fundamentals. Just because they are suddenly paying attention, doesn’t mean they can expect to get anything they want. It took us half a century to get here; it might take that long to finally fix it. The risk we run is that the Tea Party, conservatives and the silent majority will again go away due to a lack of patience. We all must remember this is a battle for control for the richest, most powerful country in history. We can and should expect the other side to do anything and everything to continue to hold power and to push for what is the final transformation of the country.

    • Marian Degner

      Compromise mean, making deal to get something done!
      Not say No!

      • Ed I

        Most obviously you have never set in a meeting trying to work out a deal on what the people thinks is best not what the Democrats are convinced is what they know is best for us peons and intellectual inferiors. ACA is the very best example of the Democrats deciding what is best for the rest of us even though a large majority was not only happy with what they had but opposed to what they believed they understood about what the Democrats were going to do to the country. Remember that the Affordable Care Act was when the Democrats in Congress admitted that they never read the bills they were voting on because they were too busy doing other things AND they wouldn’t understand them anyway. So why did they support a bill which they had not a clue of what it would really do. Remember they flatly refused to even consider a single amendment, some which we now know would have fixed problems we now face as a country. Nope! When they are in total control there is NO Compromise!

        • Marian Degner

          I’m business man, so you can say what you want, but know whatI to getyou compromise donewith on everidayI dealing. I see who willing to compromised and who just saying No! My way or high way. We see real numbers from GOP HOUSE work!

          • Ed I

            Sorry I should have been clearer. You haven’t sat in a meeting across the table from the political left trying to make a deal in the public’s best interest. That is exactly one of the problems we are having. Business people and the average citizen know how to work out reasonable compromises, where people meet in the middle. That is not how the Left of Democrats “play” the game. Again their definition of compromise is the other side giving them what they want today. Then if they want even more they will claim the other side is not compromising immediately after you gave them what they wanted today and then they demand even more. Don’t give it to them, then you are the one not willing to compromise. Again the ACA is a grand example. Democrats were gleeful. They didn’t even have to hint at the word compromise much less actually compromise.

  • fitzsimmons Photography

    The only things you left out are Syria,Egypt,Iran and the rest of the Middle East…….

  • fitzsimmons Photography

    BRAVO Bernie!!

  • Hammockbear

    Obama is a Blamer, not a leader.

  • Wally C

    The biggest error seems to be Obama’s definition of compromise. He appears to think it means “give me what I want”.

  • pdxracefan

    “So let’s give Mr. Obama that.”
    Let’s not, and say we did instead.

  • rbblum

    Be honest – It is not possible for an empty suit to have any ideals, principles or values . . . much less the ideals, principles or values emanating from a constitutional republic.

  • RickonhisHarleyJohnson

    His behavior continually makes me ask what would happen if he were a manager in a global corporation. The answer is simple – he would have been fired. Excuses are not accepted – PERIOD!

  • Jenn

    the only boogeyman is Obama….

  • sniper2535

    A real man admits his mistakes. A true coward is incapable.

  • EddieD_Boston

    Obama is increasingly looking like a pathetic fool. Also, with the exception of the committee clueless, millions of fair-minded people who voted for him see how far he’s in over his head. Obama is void of leadership abilities and incapable of governing.

    Hate to say I told ya so.

  • Brian Fr Langley

    The unhappy truth is, Fox News is an outlier. A man like President Obama, and liberals in general, truly see their extreme left wing beliefs as moderate. Why? Because mainstream media tells them so. Over and over and over. Take any modern issue that lefties hold and righties hold. If they are diametrically opposed, say abortion? I’m against, you’re for. To each other our views are extreme. (because they are opposite). When is the last time anybody heard support for abortion on demand, gay marriage, or global warming, described as extreme by the mainstream media? Now just reverse the position. That’s why lefties hate Fox news and Rush Limbaugh. Because if you don’t agree with lefties, by defintion they automatically consider your views are extreme, and it appears (to them) the whole world (but Fox et al) agrees with them.

    • Floridastorm

      None of it matters. What matters is that the Republican Party goes along to get along. So, actually, we have one party in Washington. The democrats and the republicrats. With the exception of a handful of Conservatives in congress they are all the same. Now they are going to cave on immigration just like they caved on Obamacare and how they will cave on the minimum wage and how they caved on the debt ceiling. They also just caved on the farm bill. $1 trillion in subsidies to farmers. A lot of it paid for not planting and much of it paid to keep prices artificially low. Why, in a Capitalistic society are we manipulating prices of commodities. Just face facts. The American people have zero control and affect on things that happen in this country. A complete and total scam.

  • Concernedmimi

    Good article, Bernie. In particular the last paragraph was right to the point and so true, but I’m afraid even if Obama did what you suggested, he would only see the messiah his base has convinced him of. Conservatives are still waiting for him to claim he has the cure for cancer but you’re right. We will not believe it until we see the proof. Just like Missourians; don’t tell me, SHOW ME!!!!!!

    • legal eagle

      You wouldn’t believe any fact that disagrees with your paranoia….Keep looking for those WMD’s in IRAQ.

  • Barry Jones

    The heavens will fall before 0bama admits anything approximating failure. But he is very good- aided by his pets in the press- at deflecting blame, avoiding responsibility, and ducking criticism.