Shame on You, Eleanor Clift

CliftThere’s not a lot that Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives, agree on these days. They don’t see things the same way on taxes or climate change or affirmative action or abortion or a lot of other issues. But there is one item that should garner bipartisan support. And that is that Eleanor Clift, the long time liberal commentator, is a fool.

On the McLaughlin Group the other day, when the subject turned to Benghazi, Ms. Clift, who these days is a columnist for The Daily Beast and a contributing editor at what’s left of her old magazine Newsweek, said, “I’d like to point out that Ambassador Stevens was not murdered; he died of smoke inhalation in that safe room in that CIA installation.”

This raises a question: Are you kidding??? That’s like saying JFK died in a car accident, someone tweeted.

It’s embarrassing to even point this out, but the only reason Ambassador Stevens was in that safe room is because if he didn’t go there he would have been killed in a hail of gunfire by the terrorists who had stormed the consulate. That they set the whole place on fire and that he died of smoke inhalation doesn’t mean he wasn’t murdered. A kid in middle school would know that.

But all of us, at one time or another, have said things we wish we could take back. And Ms. Clift had that opportunity to set the record straight a few days later when she was interviewed by radio host Steve Malzberg, who asked her to clarify her earlier remarks. “I was taking issue with the sort of glib use of the word ‘murdered,’” she said. “I think dying of smoke inhalation in the safe room of a CIA outpost has a slightly different feeling, and my point is that it was a very chaotic event.”

And when Malzberg asked the direct question, whether the victims who died during the September 11, 2001, terror attacks were murdered, Clift said: “I was just trying to add a little bit of complexity, and I’m going to stick with what I said.”

Malzberg then asked one more perfectly reasonable question. “If he was, God forbid, your relative, would you tell people that he was murdered or not?” “I would say that he died of smoke inhalation,” Clift replied.

Perhaps we should be grateful.  At least she didn’t say,”What difference does it make?” how he died.

So, given the opportunity to say she had made a mistake, that she didn’t really mean what she said, or at least, that the words came out wrong, she chose instead to stand firm. Eleanor Clift is that special kind of liberal who gives liberals a bad name. But we can’t ignore her politics, her left-of-center view of the world – because that is at the heart of her heartless statement.

Liberals in an out of the media just want Benghazi to go away. The so-called mainstream media has pretty much been AWOL on the story, covering it the way President Obama would like it to be covered – barely, or not at all. So, to even acknowledge the obvious, that Christopher Stevens was murdered by terrorists, is too much for a liberal like Eleanor Clift. Somehow that would be giving ammunition to the enemy. To immovable types like Ms. Clift, Stevens wasn’t killed. He simply died.

In sports, the fans know when it’s time for a player to retire. He slows down. He makes mistakes. He can’t keep up. It’s not unusual that the player himself is the only one who doesn’t know it’s time to leave the stage. Eleanor doesn’t know either. But it’s time for her to go. Not because she said something controversial. Rather because she said something shameful and is incapable of admitting how shameful it was.

Her liberal friends need to tell her how reprehensible her comments were. Surely they know. Everyone but Eleanor knows.

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  • Tim Bertram Black

    You are painting in awfully broad strokes, Bern-Bern… As a true liberal — radical by today’s standards — I agree that what she said was ignorant and actually silly.
    But you paint all liberals as the same. I don’t want Benghazi to go away — I want republicans to continue pecking at it b/c they look ridiculous. They are trying to make hay out of a horrible tragedy, and democrats will cook their geese with it.

    • Brandon Scott

      Despicable. In your warped world, the people who allowed 4 Americans to die without trying to help them, then lied repeatedly to cover it up, are the good guys. The people trying to get to the bottom of it, to find the truth about what happened, are “ridiculous”. If you honestly think that way, then I have to conclude that you are just a bad person. Deep down, in your soul, you are a bad human being.

  • buckrodgers

    It must be wonderful being a white liberal,carrying the banner for the Democratic party, that is becoming less white every single day, so what is Eleanor Clift suppose to do, she has to earn a living, after all it’s no big secret that white politicians need the African American vote to win elections, if minorities especially African Americans stay home on election day white Democrats will surely lose and where would the New York Times and other liberal media outlets,including Hollywood that are dominated by whites be if they were no longer seen as the self appointed spokesperson for minorities and women,would they lose their jobs to more qualified minorities,would they come under the scrutiny of the thought and speech police, would they still be able to circle the wagons and get away with the racist and sexist remarks that they utter every single day, this isn’t the sixties and even though discrimination of all races and cultures still exist in America, it’s unfortunate that white liberals are still living in a America that has long passed them by and why do minorities need liberal white saviors, when they have President Obama in the white house

  • jazzdrums

    Her absence on McGroup had been noticed.

  • Sarge3012

    John F. Kennedy wasn’t assisnated. He died of brain damage.

    • URSilly

      No, it was lead poisoning.

  • TJ

    As George Orwell so sagely wrote in “Animal Farm”: “All animals are equal, but
    some are more equal than others”. Ms.Clift, along with Mrs. Clinton are most
    high equals, just ask them! (Don’t we wish that we were as wonderful as they!!)

  • Chuck

    If an arsonist set a bulding on fire, and a resident died of smoke inhalation, that would be described as murder in the second degree in the indictment. Setting a building on fire, knowing that people could be inside is conduct consistant with a murder charge.

  • buckrodgers

    Does anybody really believe that Eleanor Clift, didn’t use her white skin to get her job or that she lives in a integrated neighborhood, the truth is that liberal whites like Eleanor Clift are nothing more than closet racist who look at African Americans and Hispanics as nothing more than pawns, to keep them voting for White Democrats who control the party, with the help of media hacks, that earn their living by dividing the races and we see it all the time, somehow the same liberals who criticize conservatives can excuse their own bigotry by taking one story line and repeating it over and over again in unison, Eleanor Clift is no more a journalist then John Stewart, she’s a aging white hack, so who cares what she thinks about Bengazi or anything else for that matter, the mainstream media is dying, their being forced to peddle their trash on Yahoo where the whole world can mock and make fun of them. the internet is exposing these hacks for what they really are, they can no longer depend on their colleagues to blackout their other stupidity and lack of knowledge, their becoming legends in their own minds, while their destroying the careers of young honest, hard working journalist, who want to report the news instead of making it up.

  • FlaVet

    “If I step back and look at all the nearly hysterical democratic responses that have come out since the announcement that the Benghazi select committee would be formed,

    I have to ask, from a psychological perspective, what’s going on here. This party is truly coming unhinged over this Benghazi committee. Why? If everything they have been saying for the past 2 years is the G-d’s honest truth, where is the need for the over-the-top, foaming at the mouth, rabid, near pathological responses?

    Why not just say “Ok, let the committee do its work, we’ll give them our best members, we know we are right, we’ll be exonerated, and the American people will end up on our side”? The only reason I can see for this coordinated and unhinged response is TERROR.

    They know they are about to be caught in the worst cover-up in the 20th and 21st centuries and they can see the guillotine blade right above their heads. So, in order to literally save their own necks, they have to band together and screech like lunatics.

    The truth is, 63% of Americans think the Obama administration lied and covered up the Benghazi terrorist attack to win an election. Democrats do themselves no favors by continuing to deny the concerns of Americans, especially in an election year. After all, isn’t that why they lied in the first place?”

    • Tova Feinman

      Thanks for the paragraph breaks. I guess. It’s an interesting commentary. I guess. I’ll use my administrative assistant in the future, if that’s your point.

      • TJ

        Meow!

    • TJ

      If you live in Florida, as your name implies, my sympathies inasmuch as
      that is also the home to someone even more revolting than our very own
      Nasty Pelousi: the “lovely and gracious” Debbie Wasserman Schultz!

    • Kernighan

      I am beginning to wonder if they did not STAGE this VA issue (i.e. why now, when this has been known for years? Why the VA? Could it be because military and patriotic people may be able to be swayed by our veterans?), in order to deflect attention from the several serious scandals, like IRS, F&F and Benghazi, plaguing the party.

      Isn’t it convenient from a Dem political effort standpoint, that the VA scandal hits, and they have this 600 page Act ready to put on the floor in Congress (which is bound to get resistance from GOP, because, like the ACA it is convoluted, adds much more patient and administrative strains upon an already messed up VA system, and simply will not do anything to fix the system, and, frankly it’s likely the Democrats know this)? Bringing this all out, and running a fake Act through would be a boon to them, since they can add in resistance to “The VA Act” as a means to tarnish GOP in a dire situation for Democrats as 2014 elections draw near.

      This would be much like what they would do for something like the preposterous “War on Women”. There is a pattern here. There always seems to be a convenient cudgel to us on the GOP when things get bad for the Democrats. Why? I sense planning is involved in all this.

      One party is the absolute center of the universe for Machiavellian political hardball, the other, like a Charlie Brown to their Lucy, simply repeatedly gets flummoxed by this clever, deceptive set of operatives. Meanwhile every citizen winds up this victim of this grim, cynical set of maneuvers.

  • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

    The McLaughlin Group is still on? This is the first time I have ever even heard of this Clift character. It looks like watching almost no TV these days is a good thing.

    • loupgarous

      You didn’t miss much, trust me. Back in 2004, McLaughlin panelists Clift and O’Donnell lambasted Sen. Zell Miller for telling the truth about his own party’s failures and the unsuitability of John Kerry to be President at the Democratic National Convention. O’Donnell, political director at NBC News, jumped the shark by calling Miller “a senile liar” or some such rabid insult.

      The show got Email and a flood of comments on their show’s blog during the rest of that week that had Clift and O’Donnell crying about how hard it is to be a journalist, bla bla, bla… on the show that aired the following week.

      So Eleanor Clift’s disconnects from reality and her residence in a fugue of nuance that allows her to say you’re not guilty of murder if you burn the building down in which people are hiding from you, trying to avoid your gunfire. that’s not news by a long shot. Ten years ago, she was just as clueless.

      • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

        Thanks for that information, loupgarous!

    • TJ

      Like most Liberals, Ms.Clift lives in an alternate universe. She is also
      suffering from delusions of grandeur and has been in the public view
      waaay too long.

  • CmonMann

    Clift logic – the shooter didn’t do it, the gun did it. the gun didn’t do it, the bullet did it. the bullet didn’t do it, they died from organ failure & loss of blood

    when you are in a hole – stop digging!!

    • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

      Hi! I recognize you from some of the other forums because that picture is just too cute!

  • gold7406

    Sounds like Eleanor is vying for a position on “Team Hillary,” just like Lanny.

  • loupgarous

    She’s not a fool, Bernie. To paraphrase Monty Python, she’s “an intellectual tart.”

  • GoodBusiness
  • Firstcav

    Legal. Because he has a LOT of TRUTH to say.

  • legal eagle

    So Bernie…How come you haven’t retired?….LOL

    • wildjew

      Do you agree with Eleanor Clift? Ambassador Stevens was not murdered because he died from smoke inhalation?

      • legal eagle

        It’s a moronic statement by Eleanor Clift….She’s making a legal argument where none is called for….He was killed in an attack.. Whether he was shot or died of smoke inhalation might be relevant in a criminal trial held in a Court of Law not in the Court of Public Opinion..

        • wally12

          The statement by Cliff was not moronic unless she is a moron. She is a extreme left winger who will defend the left side regardless of the truth or logic. Ambassador Stevens was murdered. End of statement. It was not even relevant in a criminal trial. However, if there was a trial, Hillary, some in the state department and Obama would be defendants as accessories to the murder.

          • legal eagle

            Only in your right wing fantasy land…..Better ease up on the medical marijuana,,LOL

          • wally12

            Only left wingers need and use marijuana. LOL. Why do you white wash what she said about Steven’s death? He was murdered and yet you resist saying so. Most left wingers can not handle the truth.

          • URSilly

            You’re last sentence is so full of truth, it is bound to scare the Ostriches away.

        • Kevin Hubble

          Explain: Ambassador Stevens is shot in an attack but, does not immediately die. The ensuing fire and smoke in the embassy complicates his blood loss from his gun shot wounds which threatens his life. He later expires. Has he been murdered at the hands of terrorists in a terrorist attack or has he died in a fire from suffocation and loss of blood occurring when the building was destroyed? You have now been charged with prosecuting and defending this case. The cause of justice for all of mankind and the hope of the free world rests in your hands. It sounds like you and Eleanor Clift are now making the Hillary Clinton argument: “What difference at this point does it make?” How does that make you feel? Kinda creepy? Like you want to burn your clothes? We await your verdict.

    • MG

      Why don’t you retire from posting comments…LOL. You are Bernie’s guest on HIS website, he is your host, and you shouldn’t insult your host.

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        It’s all legal eagle has left when none of his DNC talking points apply to the topic of discussion. He’s not intelligent enough to come up with something on his own so he goes for the personal swipe.

        • loupgarous

          Yeah, that and the inevitable “keep the hate coming” when he represents the party whose only kept promise was to get everyone hating George W. Bush by 2008.

          • Deborah G

            I never hated George Bush I think he at the very core is a Patriot and a REAL AMerican

          • loupgarous

            I agree, even though the way in which my son’s National Guard unit was pushed through the Iraq Surge almost certainly led to his death and the deaths of everyone else in his Bradley. Perhaps that had more to do with Donald Rumsfeld and his advisors than with President Bush.

            I’m referring to Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe’s oath in early 2001 to “have everyone in America hating George Bush in four years” after the Supreme Court denied the Democrats their bid to steal the 2000 Presidential election. With the help of Soros and other wealthy Wall Street people, the broadcast media and Hollywood, the Democrats kept that awful promise and immersed half the country in mindless hatred. To “win.”

            That’s the ironic part of Legal Eagle’s accusing everyone else who disagrees with him of “bringing the hate” – no one does that better than his own party. They’ve done it since the New York Draft Riots and Jim Crow and they’re still great at it.

          • Deborah G

            I am so sorry for the loss of your son. Great men always pay the price for our freedoms. I will say a thank you prayer to and for him. he is a Hero and a True American Patriot. We have to thank the mothers too because while they give their lives so do the moms.

            The Democrats never have nor will the ever be true patriots. They don’t like the Military because it almost to a man conservative with patriotism, honor and bravery. No offense to anyone but I in my lifetime have never met a Democrat except one that is a patriot. They killed him .

            These hatefilled, un American , Marxist loviung libs who rail against the American way make me truely ill. They have to right by your son’t blood to say whatever stupid thing the want. BUT they want to silence the very people who give them that freedom./

            I have never liked or admired liberals. I don’t like their values, patriotism or lack thereof

          • Bob Hadley

            “No offense to anyone but I in my lifetime have never met a Democrat except one that is a patriot. They killed him .”

            Did you ever meet Sen. Daniel Inouye? He was a very liberal Democrat who literally (and I mean literally) gave his right arm for his country. Sen. Inouye is only one of the many, many liberal patriots. If you think you’ve never met a liberal patriot, you are probably either mistaken in your judgments of those you meet or your circle of acquaintances is awfully narrow.

            Calling all (or even most) liberals or Democrats unpatriotic is about as stupid as calling all (or most) conservatives or Republicans racists.

            Those on the Right often see media-hyped outliers on the Left as representative. And those on the Left often media-hyped outliers on the Right as representative.

          • Deborah G

            maybe but he is also someone who wanted to “fundamentally change America. I honor his service. But I am not of the Progressive mindset Saul ALinsky Chicago thugs style. That leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

          • loupgarous

            Dan Inouye is an old-school Democrat. I doubt seriously he’s cracked Alinsky’s book, or thinks that the American Dream has to die before everyone in the country gets a fair shake.

            That said, he has the same obligation every one of us who took the oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America to actually do so.

            With all due respect to the martial bravery that cost Sen. Inouye his arm, he and his fellow Senate Democrats are in default on their oaths of office in not having asked the House of Representatives to draw Articles of Impeachment up against Barack Hussein Obama, so that his violations of the Constitution of the United States of America could be investigated, and he is culpable for these violations, he could be impeached, tried, expelled from his office and convicted of any violations of Federal law.

          • Deborah G

            I do happen to agree with you. The “New” Democrat party is Communism liute ala Alinsky and ther “progressives. I used to be pretty center and ould like either side’s choices given a few paticulras I could basically live with whoever won. Now I can’t The Commies made me move further right where I feel comfortable with the moral standards,,the common sense i.e immigration and depleting every REAL citizens resources by pandering to them with benefits for the votes. I disagree with their stanne on the homofascists and their lack of concern for human life via 200,000 abortions a year which btw? Roe V Wade was NOt al about it ws to make sure a woman who was raped or a medical necessiity didn’t turn into a legal issue. NOW? it is an easy out for ireesponible behavior. Don’t tell me 100,000 women were raped or had medical issues, NEXT? Our children are being assaulted with issues in school that should NOT bea schoools right rather a parents to decide. I don’t like their grabbing rights away and trashing the constitution to fundamentally change America. I’m sure plenty of “ol School” Democrats were patriotic. Today? Not so much because they have no idea what America is for and it isn’t for benefits. It is for Capitalism, free marlkets and certainly NOT Socialized medicine.

          • Bob Hadley

            First, see my post above. I admire you.
            That said, you have every right to vehemently oppose Sen. Inouye’s politics just as he had every right to take his political stances.
            However, I need to point out that Sen. Inouye opposed Pres. Clinton’s conviction, not his impeachment. Pres. Clinton was already impeached by the House.
            Second, it’s a little known fact that Pres. Clinton did NOT commit perjury. Perjury is a legal term and is a MATERIAL lie. Judge Susan Weber Wright, the federal judge presiding over the Paula Jones case, ruled that Pres. Clinton’s deposition testimony was NOT perjury, because his lies were not material. Instead, she found him in civil contempt.
            Yes, what Pres. Clinton did was disgusting and stupid. I think everyone agrees on that.

          • loupgarous

            Good point, Bob. The Democrat who ran against Nixon in 1972, George McGovern, was also a war hero, and I don’t use that term lightly. He and his crew flew a Liberator bomber through the dense smoke and anti-aircraft fire over the oil refinery complex outside Ploesti, Romania to help cut Hitler’s biggest oil supply off.

            McGovern and his crew dogs risked it all for their country. It’s just a shame that in 1972 he lined up with the people who decided to give South Vietnam to the Communists just when the Communists suffered their worst battlefield defeat of the war, and were literally on the ropes. For THAT, he deserved to lose his election.

            And to the folks who spoke good words about my younger son, thanks. We still love him, and while we live, so does he, in our hearts.

          • Bob Hadlley

            Look, my sincere condolences for your son. I’m truly sorry for his death, and am sincerely grateful for his and your sacrifice. I hope peace will be with both of you.
            That said, I made a comment to Deborah that is being reviewed by the management here. In it I lament that patriotism is defined in partisan terms. Hopefully, they will soon see that my post contains no gratuitously and purposely offensive matter.
            As I understand your post above, you do NOT see patriotism in partisan terms. You disagree (and strongly disagree) with Sen. George McGovern and Sen. Dan Inouye, but still see them as patriots. That’s what America is about.
            That’s my point: we may fight like cats and dogs, but in the final analysis we should always remember that we’re still Americans.
            I heard a story about what Justice Souter told the incoming Justice Soto Mayer. He reportedly told incoming Justice Soto Mayer that things would be much easier for her if she assumed that all the justices votes and opinions were sincere and heartfelt.

          • loupgarous

            Thank you, Ma’am for the kind words about my son.

            I have mixed feelings about the liberals I know. Some are friends, although they’ll never be close ones. You see, I’ve seen what happens when people vote blindly, with no thought for what happens “after.”

            Conservatives are also guilty of this to a degree; I’ve been guilty of it in the past. But liberals seem (pardon the generalization, but I’ve thought over this one for years) never to question the rightness of their opinions or of the people they vote into office.

            Done often enough, this results in a tyrant living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and having a terrifying chance to hurt people from a variety of motives ranging from malice to misguided idealism to overt racist hatred.

            That’s what we have now, so those of us who aren’t liberals have to very compassionately take the dangerous edged tool of political power away from them and put it out of their reach before they hurt someone again. Not from hatred, but because we love them.

          • AnMar22

            My deepest condolences to you. God bless you and your family.

        • Deborah G

          His Mommy pulls his strings and anything else he has

    • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

      Legal, what are you doing here? Leave Bernie alone, you naughty boy!

  • brickman

    I’ve questioned her mental competence for years.She hasn’t had a cogent thought this century.hTere are too many of these types of both persuasions inhabiting the media these days. Those who aren’t stupid are careless or lazy like Lara Logan or Wolf Blitzer( though he may be both).

  • Phillip MacHarg

    The sad irony, of course, is that Ambassador Chris Stevens was a Clinton acolyte. He was doing the job the Secretary of State and his country asked him to do under harrowing conditions. In her most recent appearance on The McLaughlin Groupb, Eleanor Clift would have you believe the attack on the American consulate was brought-on by Stevens himself; his assertive demeanor during the days leading-up to the Benghazi attack. Interestingly, others on the Left suggested the same in the weeks following his murder. Indeed, in their book Stevens should have just kept silent while the forces of evil organized in his midst. Hard to fathom, eh? Funny how the Left abandons America’s best, most heroic men and women to the slaughter-house of political self-interest.

    • legal eagle

      and a gay acolyte to boot…..LOL

      • loupgarous

        Keep the hate coming, Legal. When you’re out of ideas, go personal.

      • AnMar22

        you seem so mean.

    • Deborah G

      The left in order to diffuse the hatred towards them HAS to marginalize someone like Stevens and destroy his reputation. It;’s they only thing they do well.

    • Deborah G

      the left always attacks someone that makes them look bad in the most vicious ways

  • wally c

    I suppose in the liberal world Mary Jo Kopechne drowned in the back of Ted’s car. No wrong doings there?

    • Phillip MacHarg

      Eleanor would say it was Mary Jo’s fault, she should have taken swim lessons!

      • AnMar22

        Eleanor is really offensive….isn’t she aware of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS????

        • loupgarous

          Doesn’t apply to Democrats. They can be racist, homophobic, the whole nine offensive yards.

    • legal eagle

      Thanks for the memories….

  • FloridaJim

    The idea is to spin and keep the wicked Hillary in the game. O’reilly spoke well of Clift I have never liked her and her ideas. A book that exposes one of the most wicked couples ever to inhabit America:”The Final Days-The Last, Desperate Abuses of Power by the Clinton White House” By Barbara Olsen

    • Phillip MacHarg

      God rest her soul, Barbara Olsen. She is dearly missed today in this, to date, six year Obama nightmare of a presidency.

    • legal eagle

      Barbara Olsen , the right wing attack dog? This is your source of information? LMAO

      • Kernighan

        Ad Hominem.

      • loupgarous

        You’re calling someone ELSE an “attack dog” in a thread about Eleanor Clift? Glad I wasn’t drinking a beverage when I read THAT. Of course, in Clift’s case, the term “attack dog” can be read in a couple of ways, at least.

      • Integrity

        Just curious LE. Do you envision anyone from the left exposing any of that information? QED

  • D Parri

    Poor Eleanor. At least she never had to deal with the 9/11 terrorist attack. Yeah, it was bad for her I’m sure, but there is probably some easier ground for her to tread believing that it was simply a tragic airliner crash.

    • loupgarous

      I bet she and Ward Churchill, the nutty professor from the University of Colorado Boulder who said the people in the Twin Towers were “Eichmanns” who deserved what they got could be real soul mates.

    • Deborah G

      No to her it was because Bush had the remote conrtrol and he and the oil Cartels did it

  • legal eagle

    Nothing like a little Benghazi talk to get the Pavlovian response from the right wing haters….

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      Nothing like a recycled, DNC-composed response on Benghazi when an inbox search on the phrase “Eleanor Clift” keeps turning up nothing.

      Poor guy. These curve-ball topics really put a damper on your talking points, don’t they? lol.

    • Cecilio

      Noting like a little Benghazi talk to get the Pavlovian response from the LEFT wing haters…

      • AnMar22

        Ditto

  • Bob Hadley

    Dude, you’ve pointed out what is painfully obvious: many will twist the truth like a pretzel to avoid admitting they’re wrong, petty or needlessly offensive. You should know that from the time you accused Juan Williams of calling “the rich” scoundrels when he used a time-worn cliché. You were given the chance to correct yourself, but twice (yes, TWICE) you bobbed and weaved. Dollars to donuts you’ve done it on other occasions.

    BTW, did you ever go on O’Reilly’s show and criticize his show for showing a shoving match at a labor demonstration in southern Cal. at the same time O’Reilly was asking his “on the ground” reporter if there was any violence at a Wisconsin demonstration? As a regular on O’Reilly’s show and as a one who holds himself out as opposing unfair media attention, I think it was incumbent on you to set the record straight if O’Reilly didn’t. I’m sure you also have a justification for that one. To my knowledge, neither you nor O’Reilly ever addressed this on the air.

  • Josh

    I’m not saying anything here that probably hasn’t been said 50 times on this board, but this is an incredibly strange standard to use. If you shoot someone, you’re not a murderer. The bullet kills them, so the shooter is…what? Innocent? If I cut someone’s brake lines, I suppose I’m not a killer when they die. They died from a car crash.

    What fits her definition of murdering someone? That’s what I want to know. And is her mindset the reason why judges allow rapists to walk away with time served and probation?

    I really don’t understand it. This is beyond politically disagreeing with someone. You can stand polar opposite your foe yet still call a spade a spade.

    I don’t know what her liberal friends need to do or should do. But, yes, it is time to go. When someone becomes that exceedingly partisan, a straightjacket is the better fit.

  • Geoffrey Wickham

    An old, liberal hag.

    • legal eagle

      Nice statement….you’re mother would be proud…

      • veeper

        grow up….

        • Kernighan

          Based upon his material here, I’d really doubt this guy has passed a bar exam, or is seriously involved in law. He does not exhibit any of the training, logic, or thoroughness of a bar member. This could be wrong, he may be trying to be a troll, and thus, is altering his posts in specific ways. His posts seem designed to play on emotion. I’d suggest ignoring this troll-like creature. That should be sufficient to frustrate him.

          • Deborah G

            He’s not a lawyer he’s a moronic idiot with zero to add to any adult conversation. I ignore him and refuse to engage with him. he WANTS attention so the best way to fix him is give him NONE

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>Based upon his material here, I’d really doubt this guy has passed a bar exam,

            Or a reading comprehension exam for that matter. I’m pretty sure he just plays a lawyer on the Internet.

          • loupgarous

            As I’ve said before, “professional” on Internet comment blogs is like “gynecologist” in talk rooms.

          • Deborah G

            he doesn’t even “play” it well LOL

        • Deborah G

          He can’t he is stuck living in his mother’s basement on benefits

      • Integrity

        I thought mothers were off limits LE. QED

        • legal eagle

          They normally are but comments like
          “An old, liberal hag.” makes me question whether some people on here have any sense of decency..

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Yes, because you haven’t been bringing up people’s families for the last two years on this website or anything.

        • AnMar22

          what does QED mean?

          • loupgarous

            “Quod erat demonstrandum” – essentially, “that has been settled,” in this case,

          • AnMar22

            thank you

      • Geoffrey Wickham

        Keep my mom out of this, asshole. Besides, it’s the truth.

        • legal eagle

          I guess you, or your mother, wouldn’t have a problem if she was called an “old hag”?

          • Geoffrey Wickham

            Fuck You.

          • legal eagle

            Ouch !!!! You hurt my feelings..

          • Jeff Webb

            Geoffrey, from the mod team, no more profanity please.

          • Kevin Hubble

            You do mean if she “were” called an old hag, right? You do write briefs for a living don’t you?

    • Deborah G

      there is a whole lot of stupid on the liberal side of things. They have selective amnesia. the turth is an anethma to them just the dilussions of the Obama idoling camp. These people are so stupid they don’t even know Obama and the Chicago thugs would take them out in a NY minute if they don’t play along

      • AnMar22

        Deb, maybe they do know they’ll be taken out because the repeat and repeat and repeat.

        • Deborah G

          They are like dogs they learn to follow sooner or later you just have to repeats the command over and over. That is what differentiates HUMAN conservatives from them we aren’t stupid enough for them to train us no matter how many times they same the same moronic lies over and over.

  • Phillip MacHarg

    Just watched Eleanor’s bizarre double-whammy performance on the latest installment of The McLaughlin Group. Not only does she vehemently insist that Ambassador Stevens wasn’t murdered but rather died that terrible night of smoke inhalation in a saferoom of a CIA installation, she also holds firmly to the original now proven false Obama White House line–remarking “it was an opportunistic terrorist attack that grew out of that video.” If those comments aren’t pathetic enough, in another part of the segment Eleanor seems to infer that Ambassador Stevens hastened his demise by his assertive demeanor at the “CIA outpost” and not paying enough attention to his own personal safety. Astonishingly heartless and wrong-headed words.

    • Deborah G

      Right it wasn’t Hillary and it wasn’t Obama. Chris stevens committed suicide by believing they would take care of Americans now I get it

      • AnMar22

        Doesn’t anybody find it strange that help was called for and it was denied? I wonder what Eleanor and her cohorts think of that? I feel shame!

        • Deborah G

          I don’t and here is my logic. A- Obama and Hillary were running guns Stevens was disposable and had to be left to die he knew too much. This was a convenient way to rid them of the problem B- The order to stand down for “safety sake was a contrived plan to use an excuse as a reason to Sacrifice Stevens C- Hillary and the head of the CIA made a conscious decision to allow it to go forward D-Obama /Hillary and CIA director think we are all stupid and can’t logically figure it out because their base is basically moronic and the ones that aren’t don’t give a rat’s pahtooty

        • loupgarous

          To reach the level of eminence in politically active journalism that Eleanor Clift and her fellow McLaughlin groupie Lawrence O’Donnell have attained, the human conscience must first be extinguished utterly. Since alcohol can be used to destroy nerves, it seems likely it had a role in the Destruction of Eleanor Clift’s Conscience.

    • Deborah G

      These liberals have an alternate universe they operate in. There’s the REAL world and then there is progressive Obamaland

      • legal eagle

        As opposed your to your “Land of Fear and Loathing”?

        • loupgarous

          Amazing that you brought Hunter S. Thompson into the conversation. You guys really have the same modus operandi. Come on, haul out the Dobermans and shout “Nixon!” for us!

  • Randy

    I guess Kennedy died of extreme lead poisoning!

    • loupgarous

      He got in the way when Lee Harvey Oswald was sighting his Mannlicher Carcano in on Dealey Plaza. Wrong place, wrong time. No murder involved, according to the Eleanor Clift Weltanschung

  • steve b

    AND THE 2700 PEOPLE KILLED ON 9/11 DIED FROM BEING CRUSHED IN CROWD IN THE STAIRWELLS.

    • Deborah G

      No they died because Bush and the oil Cartels did it, they planned and did the attack according to the morons on the left.. Don’t you know? It is ALWAYS Bush’s fault.

      • loupgarous

        Hey, you laugh, but that’s a thriving cottage industry. A seminary published an analysis by one of the cold fusion researchers “proving” that the fire at the Twin Towers couldn’t POSSIBLY have burned hot enough to melt the aircraft that smacked into them. And we all know that theology colleges have metallurgy down to a science…

  • Chuck

    In the world of criminal justice, if the victim’s cause of death in an arson is smoke inhalation, the apprehended perpetrator is charged with murder. End of story. Meanwhile, I don’t see Legal Eagle defending Eleanor. Maybe he can’t even defend this one?!

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      He hasn’t received an email on it. That’s why he’s not defending her.

  • Nick Baird

    YOU SEE THIS YOU DUMB BROAD…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Tzn5Vh4Ow

  • Mark W.

    So, we’re supposed to be surprised? I’m sure Hillary is mad at herself for not coming up with it first? The mental gymnastics of the Progressives is simply amazing.

  • gringoviejo

    “A kid in middle school would know that”
    (that he died of smoke inhalation doesn’t mean he wasn’t murdered)

    Actually, any 3-year-old is fully capable of exercising more pure logic than that Newsweek discard. Didn’t earn her any brownie points, but then perhaps she was aiming at getting “Code-Pink”ie-points

  • Hammockbear

    Simply pitiful that our country has become a nation of accusing whiners. I would not give this woman the time of day. She has cooked her goose. Fact is our Americans were murdered at Benghazi.

    • legal eagle

      She wouldn’t give you the time of day either….In fact who would give you the time of day?

      • Seven

        Your having a hard time with this one my man or ( woman ). Let this one go.

        • Deborah G

          He is and all he can do is Sophomoric taunts. He is such a moron I refuse to waste air on him

      • Jeff Webb

        >>She wouldn’t give you the time of day either.<<

        It looks like she'd have trouble reading a watch, even digital.

        • loupgarous

          Eleanor Clift, in her appearances on McLaughlin Group, always strikes me as having done twenty reps of elbow bends with the eight-ounce glass barbells before each show. She and Hillary Clinton always strike as prime recruits for AA.

      • Hammockbear

        See you are off your meds again.
        BDN misses you.

  • Tony Trinko

    Come on, it’s Eleanor. What do you expect? I remember when she was so pathetically invested in defending President Clinton. I came to the conclusion her hatred of Monica Lewinsky was because Monica monopolized the knee-pads.
    It’s been a long, long time since she was credible.

  • Little ellie’s shrink!

    After reading most of the comments, does anything little ellie says really matter?

    • Deborah G

      what diffenence does it make anyway?

    • legal eagle

      Only matters to the right wing haters…..Just like Ann Coulter’s nonsense only matters to the left wingers…

      • Tony Trinko

        Who hates the right wing?

  • ScranunSlim

    Eleanor Rodham Clift, as Bernie Goldberg once christened her, also told The McLaughlin Group that Major Hassan committed the Ft. Hood massacre using “a Saturday Night special.” His FN Five-Seven costs at least $900, so I’d like to know where Eleanor goes on Saturday Nights.

    • Kernighan

      I looked up that pistol. Belgian manufacturer FN made it with a special round 5.7 x 28mm which is also available in a body armor piercing version. A very powerful handgun, and not remotely a “Saturday Night Special”. But, nonetheless a semi-automatic with apparently common usage as a military sidearm. Under standard (non-restricted) design it had a 20 round cartridge.

      Sounds like Clift is being consistent here, in being unable to marshal facts, sort out truth from falsity, generally discriminate between various fact scenarios, and come to reasoned conclusions. But other than that. . .

  • Stephanie S

    Excuse me, but I need to make a point, thank you. The point being, Ms. Clift is correct– with a caveat. Inside information says Chris Stevens died of smoke inhalation after tripping over his shoelaces thus being on the floor and not able to get up and breathe the fresher air. So he really died from a bad product that should have been recalled–faulty shoelaces which should have been shorter. I think a class action suit may be in order.

    • Drew Page

      If that were so, Eleanor could make the case that he died of his own clumsiness, so why the big fuss?

      • FlaVet

        And…if they weren’t there….they’d be here, correct? So, they must somehow share responsibility, right? /sarc

        • Kernighan

          Now you are talking. I’m pretty sure the DNC will pay for this stuff. Send it off to Wasserman Schultz. See what happens. . .

          • Deborah G

            That moron will get her eyes in the “deer in headlights” mode and start repeating over and over whatever Hillary and Bam want her to say.

        • Drew Page

          Vet — I too was being sarcastic. Leave it to a liberal to blame these four Americans for their own deaths.

    • Kernighan

      would be good for this, assuming this is sarcasm. After all, it’s a sensitive matter when anyone dies while under attack from hordes of people who desire nothing more than to kill Americans. He did die from smoke inhalation, much as did some people in the upper floors ot the WTC. Before it came crashing down. There seems a consistency here in the sense that symbolism is strong here. The attack occurs on the ANNIVERSARY of the WTC 9/11 terror attack and it’s certainly regarded by those in something like “Ansar Al Sharia” as a success.

      • Stephanie S

        That is exactly what’s wrong with your generation. You need someone to tell you when they are using humor and being sarcastic. Geesh!

        • Kernighan

          I got it. I just was suggesting the wrapper for those out there who do need that finality. Heck I got it as a kid when they had us read Swift’s “A Modest Proposal”, the archetype of Satire. You seem to think you have nailed what generation I come from . A mistake. Anyone can write this stuff. I could be of any age. Not all young people are the same. The shoelace thing is a good idea. Glad you went with that.

      • Deborah G

        My 9 year old grandson said” Those Islamic Terrorists want to make 911 their day of killing” QUote unquote

        • AnMar22

          Deb, out of the mouth of babes!

    • Deborah G

      I think we need to have a law that Ambassadors only wear loafers LOL> WHat a disgrace these people are.If for nothing else how can they say this stuff then go home at night and look their children in the eye?

      • legal eagle

        “These people”? Who are these people? You mean talking heads who get paid to come up with nonsensical arguments?

  • kayakbob

    I wouldn’t characterize her original statement as ‘reprehensible’ or ‘heartless’. I would simply say that her attempt to recast the storyline was pathetic.

    But when she passed what was truly a gift – an opportunity to clarify herself, she went from sounding pathetic to BEING pathetic.

    Her double-down on tortured logic tells me this story really hit a nerve, which makes me wonder what – or where(?) – else this story might go.

    rut-roh.

    • Shane

      Could it be that she’s a moron who has been getting away with such stupidity all her life because she is a loyal Democrat and liberal? Yes, I think that is what is happening here.

  • abe

    Eleanor Clift can join Ms Pelosi for the dinner specials that start 4 PM, the ones where you get an entire meal for the price of the entree. They each really have nothing to say, say good night Gracie

  • 4deuce

    Any bet her remark will NEVER be spoken of on ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, the NYT or WaPo – unless it is a columnist writing about it? No. But for the next week, all we will hear about from them will be about an 80 year-old idiot out West who called Obama the N word. That will become a national crisis – while the IRS, VA, NSA, Fast & Furious and Benghazi will be nothing but “old news that has been fully addressed already”. Libs like Clift have no real shame. And when they are called up on their words, in their hearts they really think that their desired ends – total control of the American masses – justify any means they must take to achieve that end.

    • FlaVet

      “who called Obama the N word”…

      My God…you mean he actually said … Negro?

      • legal eagle

        Did you think up that stupid remark all by yourself?

        • FlaVet

          What were you thinking eggplant?

    • legal eagle

      “total control of the American masses”…..I think you’ve been watching too many sci-fi movies……..LOL

      • 4deuce

        I am glad you spent a few moments today thinking.. rather than spouting your usual cut-n-paste putdowns of others. The whole thinking thing can be beneficial. You should try it more often.

  • Lloydl333

    THIS WOMAN HAS ALWAYS HAD HER HEAD UP HER
    GI GI.

    • FlaVet

      And clearly gets her air from a straw stuffed up her butt.

  • anti_nihilist

    Elanor Clift makes Edith Bunker look smart.

  • Kenrjr2

    Seriously, who in hell gives a rats-ass what Eleanor says on any subject? She’s ugly on the outside and just as ugly on the inside………..

  • 633

    To the extent Ms. Clift ever had it, she’s losing it. And I suspect that Mr. Goldberg’s postulation regarding her retirement will shortly come true. Comparison: Helen Thomas.

    • Bruskie

      Another comparison: Dan Rather

  • justintime

    Ms. Clift’s comments are a textbook example of just how corrupted Democrats minds are in how far they will go just to protect their King.

  • Chris Matthewson

    She should have been asked one more question: “If you were on the jury, would you convict those who stormed and set fire to the consulate of murder?”

    The only thing this event proves is the lengths pro-Hillary liberals will go to defend their candidate. Unfortunately, we see this all the time on both sides of the aisle.

  • veeper

    John McLaughlin wants to do a documentary on Eleanor Clift’s career.

    The working title is: Eleanor Clift.. They call her Schnauzer…..

  • LHS

    Libs don’t admit that any of the ridiculous, stupid statements they make are, in fact, ridiculous and stupid. They circle the wagons against the right and do ANYthing to promote their destructive agenda. And they NEVER give up.
    A lesson the spineless Republicrats should learn.

  • The Scarlet Pimpernel

    If I hold your head underwater you’ll die of drowning. If I chase you into the basement and set your house on fire, you’ll die of smoke inhalation. I fail to see how these are intrinsically different.

    And it seems to me they need to rethink the “safe room” setup — notably its air supply Why wasn’t it vented from outside the building?

  • Ed I

    The left, especially the present Administration and the Democratic Leadership live by Lenin’s axiom, “A lie told often enough soon becomes the truth.” A majority of the media now believes that as many lies told often enough soon confuse, confound and hide the truth. “Tis a truly bizarre time we are living through.

  • veeper

    I can no longer have even an ounce of respect for any democrat/liberal. Politician, journalist or voter, anyone registered as democrat. The obama era has brought them to a point of stupid, ridiculous comments and statements. The more ridiculous and outrageous the better.
    They blatantly lie without giving it the slightest thought. Just throw out anything as long as it’s said loudly to drown out anything anyone else is saying.
    While they all nod their heads knowingly and then laugh and giggle. I can not see any difference between them and the way insane people are portrayed in movies. The ranting, raving hollering and screeching is their normal conversation.

    This is the foolishness the kids and young adults have for role models. This is the behavior young people see from those in leadership. The decline of America is a direct result of the decline of leadership.

    The good news for young people is they do not have to grow up and become responsible people. They can remain stupid and childish like democrat adults. The bad news is their life will be one of misery, strife and turmoil. Living in constant fear of being taken over by a stronger nation.

    The future is very dim for America’s young people. All the utopia speeches in the world will not change that.

    • LHS

      Correct. For the ignorant and stupid.

    • Drew Page

      Do you mean comments like, “You have to pass the law to find out what’s in it”, or “Word is out that Mitt Romney hasn’t paid his taxes for the last ten years.”, or “All those people claiming they lost their insurance because of Obama Care are liars” ?

    • legal eagle

      Thank you Archie Bunker for the soliloquy…

  • chuck.tatum

    Eleanor “EXCUSE ME! I WASN’T DONE MAKING MY POINT” Clift
    Up until very recently, Eleanor could be counted on screaming at anyone who tried to jump in on what they thought was her last words of her point. She’d scream, “EX-CUSE ME! I wasn’t done making my point!” I loved how the director would cut to other cameras and show all the other panelists immediate reaction to her once again losing it at ‘not being heard’. It was Eleanor’s best opportunity to make others appear sexist and then play super-woman, angrily throwing down her Women’s Victim card. All panelists were trying to do was keep the show moving.
    Privately, Eleanor must be disappointed someone didn’t interrupt her last week.

  • Brhurdle

    I would assume her motivation for this bit of tortured logic is to discredit any further investigation of Benghazi. Maybe she was trying to say that three deaths from terrorist actions and one unfortunate unitended consequence was not sufficient to warrant concern – her equivalent of “what difference does it make at this point”. Rather than dwell on her obvious ideology driven mindset, she is best ignored from this point forward.

  • American1969

    I’m wondering whether or not Eleanor shouldn’t be checked for dementia.

    • chuck.tatum

      She was checked out by Obamacare. They said there was absolutely nothing wrong with her. They simply recommended more apples and stay away from vending machines.

    • Stimpy

      They did a brain scan. It came back negative.

      • American1969

        ROFLMAO!
        OMG Stimpy! Fantastic!

  • flopwedge

    She has finally figured out how to end her long career………….

  • Craig1748

    This woman is definitely off center and I don’t mean her politics………her mental state!!

  • JASVN67

    So Berny, would it be a stretch to say that liberal progressives, by the very values they espouse, are the antithesis of having common sense and core values that reflect those of the Founding Fathers?
    But wait, perhaps there is hope, for it does seem that liberal progressives will always do the right thing…..after they’ve exhausted all the alternatives!
    In closing, I would leave Eleanor Cliff and her ilk with this; The inherent vice of Capitalism is the unequal sharing of Blessings; The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of Miseries!

  • RedinDenver

    Crazy Eleanor isn’t that much different from other media liberals — doing their best to minimize the criminal negligence of the State Department, refusing to take any action (other than REDUCING security) in the face of the oft-stated, ever-increasing terrorist dangers in that area, which lead to the deaths of the 4 Americans.

    For Ms. Clift, and most of her liberal cronies in the mainstream media, enabling terrorists to carry out their attacks that night, and, subsequent to the first two deaths, neglecting to even attempt to help those under attack, is a ‘phony scandal’.

  • Daniel

    How ironic Bernie, that as I cleared my email and read your article, my wify was watching an endless chain of female news anchors say a tearful goodbye to Barbara Walters. I had tears too Bernie. Tears for the death of male employment. The title insurance industry that provided my livelihood for 35 years is now managed and staffed almost exclusively by women. Are there any stats on how many of those 90 million who have left the labor force are males?

  • manofdog

    Eleanor Cliff has gone off the deep end. She gets the Walter Duranty Bagdah Bob Lifetime Achievement Award (This years co-winners are Jay ‘The Carney’ Carney and 8x Winner Juan ‘I Never Met A Liberal Position I Couldn’t Apologize or Rationalize’ Williams

  • Phillip MacHarg

    Bernie – What do you expect? I mean, we’re talking Eleanor Clift here. The same Eleanor Clift that for years on The McLaughlin Group made excuse after excuse for the Soviet Union’s repressive ways against its own people and eastern Europe. She preferred to rail against Ronald Reagan and now she routinely dismisses any criticism of the Obama Administation, showing no willingness whatsoever to present an objective opinion. She is truly a joke.

  • legal eagle

    So now Eleanor Clift represents all liberals? LMFAO

    • allen goldberg

      based upon your ‘brilliant insights’
      you provide a great template as does she

    • Jeff Webb

      He didn’t say that. Still resorting to lies instead of arguing on topic, eh? Pathetic.

      • legal eagle

        Hope your not in the fire’s path in North County….

        • veeper

          another sick twisted liberal funny…..

          you’re all mentally ill people.

          • legal eagle

            Not a joke if you live in San Diego….not meant as a joke…mind your business and you won’t sound like a moron..

          • ScranunSlim

            Take your own advice, “legal,” about not sounding like a moron. It’s “you’re” not *”your” in your *post above.

            * “Hope your not in the fire’s path in North County….”
            – legal eagle

          • FlaVet

            And ambulance chaser who got his degree from Kellogg U.

          • Jeff Webb

            We battle on political matters, but San Diego is a sort of “non-combat zone” for us, FYI. He’s sincere.

            Places like Miami & New Orleans get hurricanes, midwest cities get tornados, most Americans will at some point have to pick their poison, I’m sure.
            The common belief that earthquakes are this area’s major concern is way, way off. In our hot months, this place is either a loaded tinderbox or a devastating inferno. LE wouldn’t wish the latter on anyone.

        • Jeff Webb

          Likewise.

          We’re in a neighborhood not known for evac orders. Very fortunate, considering we weren’t even taking distance from potential wildfire zones into account. God help the San Marcos & Escondido residents

          • legal eagle

            Let’s hope the weather cools off and we get a rare day of rain…

          • Jeff Webb

            Get a rare day of what?

          • legal eagle

            Precipitation?……LOL

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        In legal’s defense, he didn’t actually read the column.

    • veeper

      Yes ….that’s their brand. Screaming, hollering and screeching out any outrageous thing that pops into their crazed lil heads…..

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      Read the column instead of guessing what’s in it.

    • George Williams

      You are the Eleanor Clift of this blog.

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        lol.

      • legal eagle

        And you must be the Forest Gump or the Cliven Bundy?

        • George Williams

          They’re fictional, you’re not, Eleanor..

  • floridahank

    She has such a closed mind that she can never see the opposite side even if there is truth to it. She is a simple minded liberal that she’s worthless as an opponent in any discussion — she adds nothing worthwhile and is a distraction.
    She should be replaced with somebody with a brain.

  • Kit Carson

    Eleanor Clift is a relic, a museum piece on the McLaughlin Group. I don’t know how they’ve put up with her and the leftist drivel she’s been spouting all these years.

    • legal eagle

      Who on that show is not a “relic”?

      • chuck.tatum

        Jay Carney?

        • FlaVet

          You know…the one who runs the circus of lying, lazy clowns called the WH press corp?

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        Better yet, who knew that show was still on the air?

        • legal eagle

          The show is too intellectual for simpletons like yourself….

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            If I only I could be as smart as an anonymous Internet troll, claiming to be a lawyer, who spends all of his free time copying and pasting Jay Carney talking points to the comment sections of on-line columns he doesn’t read. lol.

  • SkyCitizen

    This retrenched opinion by Ms. Clift will certainly not be the last time a Liberal, when faced with an absolute truth, chooses to characterize it as something else. It’s downright Orwellian.

  • Tova Feinman

    If I step back and look at all the nearly hysterical democratic responses that have come out since the announcement that the Benghazi select committee would be formed, I have to ask, from a psychological perspective, what’s going on here. This party is truly coming unhinged over this Benghazi committee. Why? If everything they have been saying for the past 2 years is the G-d’s honest truth, where is the need for the over-the-top, foaming at the mouth, rabid, near pathological responses? Why not just say “Ok, let the committee do its work, we’ll give them our best members, we know we are right, we’ll be exonerated, and the American people will end up on our side”? The only reason I can see for this coordinated and unhinged response is TERROR. They know they are about to be caught in the worst cover-up in the 20th and 21st centuries and they can see the guillotine blade right above their heads. So, in order to literally save their own necks, they have to band together and screech like lunatics. The truth is, 63% of Americans think the Obama administration lied and covered up the Benghazi terrorist attack to win an election. Democrats do themselves no favors by continuing to deny the concerns of Americans, especially in an election year. After all, isn’t that why they lied in the first place?

    • SkyCitizen

      Well said Tova, I can smell the fear. As the Liberal press hurls itself on the sharpened stake of the truth the squealing isn’t over yet.

    • American1969

      Excellent post, Tova!

      • Tova Feinman

        Thank you and cute bunny!

        • American1969

          Thanks! It’s Happy Bunny!

  • Uncle Dave

    Bernie, please don’t say that Eleanor needs to go. Can’t we keep her around for the comedy effect, like Uncle Joey Biden?

    • Bernie

      Good point …

  • cantonst

    Eleanor Who?

  • pupster40

    Put a progressive under each arm and tell her to swim for the middle east.

  • paperpushermj

    If Amb Stevens died locked in a Safe Room How was it that His Body was Taken by some Locals to the Hospital ???

  • Seattle Sam

    I don’t remember Ms. Clift and her friends being reticent about claiming that the U.S. “murdered” lots of Iraqis.

    • begbie

      Great point. I remember that.

  • ConservativeSenior

    Just send the stupid b*tch all alone to Iraq, Iran or Pakistan. She can send us letters about how civilized they are.

  • Peter Max

    Clift is on to something here. I think he died of CIGARETTE smoke inhalation!(Well, if you’re going to believe her BS why not take it to the next absurd level.)

  • stmichrick

    Eleanor’s comeuppance will be courtesy of Trey Goudy in the coming weeks. She will never live this down.

  • http://batman-news.com 1940voter

    Dems and liberals prove everyday that the law of diminishing returns is alive and well. For all their elite education and bluster they have not a figs pit of knowledge about the real world and the evil in it.

  • chuck.tatum

    “WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE..IF A COUPLE OF GUYS BREAK INTO DANIEL ELSBURG’S OFFICE?”
    Remember! It’s not the crime, it’s the cover-up.

  • suki33

    He died of smoke inhalation, but I thought it was after the safe room was broken in and he was dragged into the street. May be a moot point, he is still dead and the cause apparently was smoke inhalation, but he was in the ‘safe’ room because the embassy was overrun, and then the ‘safe’ room was overrun.

    Hard to not call that murder.

    • Kernighan

      She actually missed the real good pretext to try and downplay this hideous episode which so embarrassed progressives – It was during warfare. We never call killing some combatant during warfare “murder”. Typically “Killed in Action” (KIA) is used. I imagine the Clifts of the world hope that, eventually, everyone will forget anything happened in Benghazi, and we all just line up to vote for HRC. That seems to be their plan, and oddly, they seem to believe everyone will follow.

    • AnMar22

      The safe room wasn’t safe.

  • chuck.tatum

    Let me play Bill Maher and offer you some of the other notable deaths where Eleanor has corrected the terminology.
    -Jews weren’t killed in death camps. They died from poorly ventilated showers.
    -Boys weren’t cannibalized by Jeffrey Dahmer. They died of consumption.
    -The people on United that crashed in Pennsylvania weren’t killed by terrorists. Most died from crew abandonment and a few died from failure to guard against unwieldy box cutters.
    -Oklahoma City blast didn’t kill. They died from a building collapse.
    Get creative, add more!

    • FlaVet

      “The people on United that crashed in Pennsylvania”…

      Or that the aircraft failed to maintain altitude and contacted the ground at an uncontrollable rate of speed?

    • Kernighan

      Make some posters with pretty pictures, these words (make the sentences short), and little “f” icon to allow posting to your favorite social media. I seem to see a lot of this Pavlovian posting, with the always ludicrous, “meme” attempt.

    • Uncle Dave

      - The FAA calls a mid-air collision, “Involuntary Convergence”.
      - Mugging victims die of “Lead Poisoning”
      - But I still love the idea the Obummer Admin came up with, they are no longer Terror Attacks, They are “Man Cause Disasters”
      - Finally, I’m not “fat”… according to the Body Mass Index (BMI) I’m “under tall”.

      • AnMar22

        Clever

        • 4deuce

          In fact, his offerings are far more clever than any of those lame, limp-wristed excuses that the Libs have been offering when thay have been confronted with the latest Obama Administration scandal-of-the-week.

    • AnMar22

      LOL

  • Dennis

    And the victims (oops if they aren’t eligible to vote for Dems I probably should not call them victims but I will) of the 9/11 attacks in the Twin Towers were not murdered by crazy Muslims (I am all done calling them radicals or extremists until the Muslim world starts to do something about them) . No, the 9/11 victims died because of a structural flaw in the building’s design.
    As for this simple minded twit giving liberals a bad name, is there any other type of liberal? None of them base their decision making on rational, reasoned, judgments. It’s all emotionally driven feel good silliness. If it wasn’t for that, Dems would never win another election.

    • FlaVet

      Every lib, I think, were dropped on their heads at birth and have 4 extra chromosomes. It’s a life threatening disease.

    • Kernighan

      I hope she continues onward, and is not shy about speaking up.

  • Ron Thomas

    It was obvious that Eleanor was a a very ignorant , biased person over 30 yrs. ago. The woman has no real education either, from my perspective.

  • Floridastorm

    A pug ugly, sexless, Lesbian wannabe. Fits right in with the other Leftist brain dead folks. Foxnews has the beautiful and super intelligent females. The Leftist news media has the pug ugly rest.

    • FlaVet

      Truly reflective of their “philosophy”.

    • Peter Max

      You’re so right on that! I loved Helen Thomas. She was a really foxy lady!

      • FlaVet

        Only on one day of the year….Halloween.

  • Barbara

    Absolutely scandalous and many on the left have no shame.

    • FlaVet

      They only understand 4 letter words.

  • michael binder

    there is no discussion. self-evident facts are self-evident. that’s why they are self-evident.

  • MontanaMade

    “Her liberal friends need to tell her how reprehensible her comments were. Surely they know.”

    Yeah, they know… but the libs will firmly stand by her- because she is no different than Hillary or Barry in this sense- that no one in their camp cares about this issue- that it was just another day in paradise for them and how dare the Conservatives screw that up for them by digging into an issue they don’t care about!!

  • joepotato

    Maybe she’s trying to compete with Nazi Peelousey for “Imbecile of the Year”… If so she needs to up her game, but she’s off to a good start…

    • FlaVet

      She’s been listening to her female comrades…Waters, Lee, Feinstein, DWS, Boxer to name a few.

  • Perry

    Perhaps if Ambassador Stevens had died of heart attack during the attack on the embassy would she then say he died of a heart attack?

  • Deborah G

    To allow an illegal to serve in the Military and take a spot at a career choice for a LEGAl American to perhaps have a chance at college etc is a CRIME> In the oBam job market HE alone is responsible for he simply wants to hand over those spots for “nice” illegals” What happened to NICE LEGALS? This is an outright disgrace.

    • begbie

      Deborah G, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic
      things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent
      response were you even close to anything that could be considered a
      rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having
      listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your
      soul.

      • Kernighan

        Well, to be fair: She’s completely off topic, and has some of the most awkwardly worded stuff here, but there actually is a germ of an idea in there: [Illegals take jobs from legals]. Of course we’re talking about Eleanor Clift saying that Ambassador Stevens was not “murdered”, so this is, inexplicably, a topic shift into a totally different realm. And there is that awkward, senseless use of the word “nice”. @begbie – I’d give you ample points for a very adroitly worded take down here. I especially like the closing line. [dramatic].

        • Kyle k

          It’s adroitly worded because it’s a movie quote from Billy Madison.

          • begbie

            LOL!

    • Ronald Rump

      Are you having another serious brain episode?

  • jazzdrums

    where is the post saying clift is following wh talk points…disappeared?

  • Ksp48

    “So, to even acknowledge the obvious, that Christopher Stevens was murdered by terrorists, is too much for a liberal like Eleanor Clift. Somehow that would be giving ammunition to the enemy.”

    Partisanship gone insane.

  • Ksp48

    Precisely.

  • w

    She has been out there for years. Please, retire Eleanor.

  • Paul Rush

    Thank you Bernie for this column. There are on the left who have these bizarre views and no one from the lame stream media or court jester bloggers will criticize them. They just protect them and they can say what they want. But if you don’t support the lefts views you are branded either a fascist or racist

    • Paula

      Exactly! When I saw, Chris “I get a tingle up my leg” Matthews hysterically scream that Benghazi is a lie! My suspicions were confirmed that the MSM wasn’t reporting a damn thing and was spinning it as a GOP conspiracy!

      It is amazing how “loyal” the MSM is to obama.

      • Deborah G

        They get paid well by the Billionaire donors nOT to report

        • Lc Goodfellow

          ” …. time for your Meds dearie, and please go back to your room …” “Yes big nurse … “

        • Paula

          I agree… that and the threat of not working if they go against their “powers that be.”

  • Barancy Peloma

    did you know that Micheal jackson did not die from a drug-fueled cardiac arrest?
    nope, he died from food poisoning. he ate a 10 year old wiener!

    • Kernighan

      Wow. That avatar is burning my eyes.

      • FlaVet

        Ditto with yours.

      • Barancy Peloma

        yes, i have that effect on people.

  • Jeff Metz

    This is slowly creeping into the mainstream. The damage is leaking out. Susan Rice looked like an utter amateur stating “darned if I know.” This whole scandal, which is now on par with Watergate itself, is not going away any time soon and the sheer reason is that people died. Americans hate being lied too. They hate lies about the lies even more. Again, see Watergate. Folks were upset with Nixon. He had to resign over the cover up. http://www.thepoliticalspectator.org

  • k962

    Eleanor, evidently has contracted a serious case of Pelosi syndrome! She should be Sent to a pyscho clinic immediately

  • scott autry

    “Somehow that would be giving ammunition to the enemy. To immovable types like Ms. Clift, Stevens wasn’t killed. He simply died.”

    This is what happens when it becomes more about winning for your team than about policies or ethics or morals. Like how justice in our system too many of the times is about who wins – the prosecutor or defense lawyer – rather than whether the guilty are convicted and the innocent set free. Once it becomes more about who wins than the justice, it makes it easier to justify cheating. (Perhaps PEDs in sports fits this trend in American society too.)

    Or how the members of the communist movement (and those they influenced) managed to flipflop on whether the US should enter WWII or not – after the Soviet Union was attacked. They threw up all kinds of arguments about why the US had no business in a European War, but changed their tune once the communist fatherland was attacked, and didn’t care how contradictory it looked.

    Lastly, much like Goldberg wrote about in his book on Obama and the media, the press forever shamed itself by how it so openly became part of one team – doing whatever it thought it needed to do to help get the first black president into the White House.

    Just look at the Rev. Wright issue: First, they buried it. Then, they ignored it. Then, they told us to ignore it when conservative outlets and the Internet started gaining traction with it. Then, when it went viral, they worked hard to limit the damage.

    Or, look further back, to how the handled the Clinton sex scandals – including claims of rape: Ignore, excuse, and if it comes to it, attack.

    These are the great champions of Women’s Rights, and if Clinton had been a republican, they would have been falling all over themselves trying to win a Pulitzer on each of those stories. But, since it was a Democrat, Women’s Rights flew out the window as they turned – in fact – to attacking Clinton’s accusers…

    You might be able to understand why political parties and politicians have two faces in their desire to win votes — even though they are supposed to be founded on principles and policies.

    But, when you have an organization that has long prided itself on Speaking Truth to Power and being a watchdog and fighting for the little people — that is in reality playing guard and cheerleader for one party, it could make you despise them…

    • Kernighan

      I guess much of this could be explained if the group we’re discussing had a terrible long term memory, easily forgetting details regarding things that happened more than a few days ago, combined with a very Machiavellian – “The ends justify the means” philosophy. I like that you put this in a clear, and demonstrably true historical context. It probably sounds hackneyed, but this is what it might look like as a society decays.

      • scott autry

        I vaguely remember watching The McLaughlin Group once. I believe it was back after the Clinton pardons. Near the end, they played, I believe it was, a clip from back after the Bush Iran-Contra pardons and what Robert Novak had to say.

        After the clip, Novak smiled his signature smile – and – admitted it looked like there were some inconsistencies…

        Too few people are like that – especially the larger the profile they have. Everyone says stupid things or fails to maintain strict consistency. It would be better if humans were better at admitting it when called out…

    • Bob Olden

      All the obfuscation, denial, minimizing, misinterpreting, and other cover-up activities cannot hide the fact that THIS WHOLE THING STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN! Any sensible human being can see that it was foolish to sent our top diplomat in Lybia to Benghazi on the most dangerous date of the year with inadequate security, in the midst of a hotbed of heavily armed extremist groups, and absolutely no backup plan in case things went horribly wrong. That was lethal incompetence from the getgo. All the talk about the video was a stinking diversionary tactic, that only served to create a host of unanswered questions and makes the entire left wing suspect of being complicit in a very sinister way.

      The press, by its silence, is utterly complicit in this massive cover-up. They have no basis for the slightest amount of credibility.

      • scott autry

        I didn’t think my hatred for the media could get any deeper — then I witnessed the 2008 election cycle. They’ll never recover. Objectively, they are so far gone, they’ll never be able to reverse course. Maybe in 100+ years, but not in any of our lifetimes. Subjectively, even if they did manage to turn on a dime, living up to them image of their professionalism they claim, I don’t think if live long enough to forgive them. (And, of course, they and the rest of the active left will simply dismiss that as proof I’m a racists.

  • KCGranny

    New defense for corrupt lawyers defending shooter: My client did not kill the victim with a gun. The victim died of lead poisoning.

    • enorl76

      …or of bullet ingestion

      • KCGranny

        ….and 9/11 was an unscheduled landing! I’m sure she’s voiced that at one time or another.

    • Ksp48

      And Abraham Lincoln was not murdered. He died of lead poisoning.

  • 1Shalom1

    OBAMAGATE, OBAMAGATE, OBAMAGATE

  • 1Shalom1

    Agreed, Bernie, she should retire out to pasture. However, keeping her around allows us the chance to hear what the enemy is thinking !

  • Sam

    The art of spinning the truth has evolved over the years until it now has the ability to completely transform reality into whatever one wishes it to be.

    • msami1026

      bingo!!! dispicable creeps. they want socialism, we should all chip in & send the to cuba or venezuels, they can have all they want & good riddance!

  • Jim Pell

    What about our other three brave Americans who died at Benghazi? Did they die of “shrapnel inhalation”?

    • KCGranny

      You mean 4!

  • ssaftler

    I guess now that Helen Thomas is gone, the left needs a new crackpot “journalist” to make stupid comments, then double down on her stupidity.

    Then again, Eleanor Clift has been practicing this lunacy for some time now.

    • begbie

      Your right. Clift is usually really difficult to take seriously. I like the show very much but she adds a certain level of insanity and dishonesty. I have a hard time with anyone who argues just for the sake of argument—-where agreeing with the opposition even a little bit is a mortal liberal sin. It hurts the credibility of the show as a whole.

    • msami1026

      there you are!

  • ted

    What the Right doesn’t seem to get is that the lies of the Left repeated incessantly become accepted truths. And the question(s) get begged in every instance. Income inequality, war on women, climate change, Bush lied and the nation hates him and war…all these are now accepted and as accepted fought against by the right on the margins. This is why. The Left is incessantly repeating about Benghazi that it’s old news, does it matter, everything has been disclosed and so on. The Right should stop trying to convince the electorate otherwise and prove in its investigations that it is an Obama coverup.

    • ssaftler

      Isn’t that the Josef Goebbels’ doctrine?

    • msami1026

      that’s what bothers me the most, & the leeches accept it.

    • Ksp48

      Dude, that’s so two years ago.

  • Jarob54

    It all in the game they play, some call it truth and others can formulate an opinion. There is an opinion that this woman is mad. I simply say she is sad. I suppose one could say that Keith Moon died from heart failure, and in a sense that prognosis would be true. Because when Moon fell dead his heart had stopped beating. Never mind that the Rock legend and The Who drummer was a raging alcoholic. And could down a bottle of brandy before breakfast.
    And so it goes. Nothing suprises me with the rhetoric that spews from the liberal camp. What surprises me, they can keep a straight face when they utter such nonsense. Pitiful!

    • msami1026

      yep, they dance better than Fred Astaire!!! Soon their noses will be 6 ft. long & they all won’t be able to fit into the Capitol or in Oval Office@ our White Hiouse. In the Declara. Of Independence it states we must rid our country of them & get back to our Constitution so come Nov. let’s all let them know how much we want them…. as in NOT at all.

  • brendan horn

    I guess Clift is trying to say that the terrorists are not so bad because they did not directly murder the person they were trying to murder.

  • http://blog.cyberquill.com/ Cyberquill

    Strictly speaking, the ambassador committed suicide.

  • begbie

    This is desperation. She is way off.

  • John Mullins

    This is the sort of statement that, if it was fictional, a scene in a movie perhaps, it would be laughed at as not believable. But things like this are said more and more often, especially by people like Clift and Harry Reid. It reminds me of the Ricky Gervais movie, where he is the first human to discover lying. And the things he says become more and more outrageous as he realizes the he won’t ever be questioned or second guessed.

    • ted

      I agree. The LEft will never voluntarily give up its increasing power. The Right needs to fight. And Condi Rice – it was wrong to give up. REpublicans ever so polite don’t want to disrupt. Either you believe in what you say or you don’t. Not fighting is not believing, leaving only Progressives standing.

  • Joh

    Whoever it was who equated this to someone claiming that JFK died in a car accident is a genius, There is no limit to liberal idiocy

  • Concernedmimi

    Quite frankly, I think ALL liberals think the way Ms. Clift does!!!!

    • msami1026

      possitively!

  • legal eagle

    Amazingly trivial commentary by Goldberg…Perhaps it’s time for Bernie to retire along with Ms. Clift…

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      Amazingly trivial response by you. Perhaps it’s time for you to recite another Jay Carney talking point like a good little cultist.

    • alpha444

      Nothing trivial about the commentary by Goldberg. However, your attemt to diminish his article is pretty lightweight and clearly biased.

    • begbie

      Oh, man. That is pretty lightweight of you. But I’d love to know what you think about the issue itself. Is Clift correct in her assessment?

      • Lc Goodfellow

        YEAh! Seagull, please speak up, give us lowly peasants your amazingly trivial knowledge.

      • legal eagle

        Clift comment was moronic…However, using her idiotic statement as the basis for a column to attack “liberals” just shows Goldberg’s laziness in writing his latest “faux indignation” column…

        • begbie

          Still a bit off topic, but glad you are in agreement with common sense. You used Bernie’s column to attack Bernie though. Which is basically what you accuse him of doing.

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Read the column instead of guessing what’s in it. You’ll sound smarter.

      • Jeff Webb

        >>Oh, man. That is pretty lightweight of you.<<

        Water seeks its own level.

    • 1Shalom1

      Legal, I can see why you might think that because there are so many critical issues (scandals really) floating around. There’s NSA, IRS, FTC, EPA, FFP (failed foreign policy), anti-semitic administration. Let’s give Eleanor a break and just call everything OBAMAGATE !

    • JMax

      Eagle, by definition, “murder” requires premeditation. Surely by now the Issa committee and the many other investigations have proved that the death of Ambassador Stevens was premeditated. Haven’t they?

      Words MUST be chosen very carefully. The consulate attackers must be referred to as terrorists. Radical Muslims, Islamic Extremists, or anti-US militants just won’t cut it. You can’t just say that Stevens died as a result of an attack on the consulate.

      • begbie

        Well, the terrorists certainly didn’t come to the embassy to deliver cup cakes. They intended to kill as many people in that compound as possible. And the fact they arrived with enough weaponry to make that goal feasible equals premeditation.

        But that’s not the issue here….Issa is investigating why the hell it took so long for the US to respond. They blamed it on a video instead. That’s the embarrassment we live with now as a people.

        • JMax

          There were reports that the attackers meant to take the ambassador hostage. Has that been ruled out?

          The Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have both testified that their Commander-In-Chief gave them orders to do whatever was necessary to help the Americans under attack. If you are embarrassed by the military’s “failure”, you should blame them, not the man who gave the order.

          As for what Issa is investigating, who did or didn’t blame the video has absolutely nothing to do with the military response.

          • begbie

            So how would a terrorist take an American diplomat hostage? By force, of course! And in this case, deadly force. Murder is murder, whether or not they intended to commit a lesser crime.

            I disagree with you but hey!—-that’s why I love my country.

          • JMax

            “So how would a terrorist take an American diplomat hostage?”

            Set the consulate on fire and try to smoke him out.

          • Tim Ned

            I wouldn’t but if they did and if he didn’t come out and died, as he did, would you call it murder?

          • JMax

            No. I would call it an unsuccessful attempt at taking a hostage. But it really doesn’t matter what you or I call it. The ambassador is dead and he died in the line of duty during a hostile attack.

          • Tim Ned

            So he is dead as a result of an unsuccessful attempt at kidnapping. Not murder. Very strange response.

          • JMax

            I don’t know if that was the case. I said there were reports that kidnapping for a hostage exchange was the motive. IF the motive was not kill the ambassador but to take him alive, I think one could fairly say that it wasn’t murder. The fact is that the ambassador is dead due to a hostile action. I don’t think it is important to call it one thing or another.

          • Tim Ned

            Would you call it second degree murder?

          • JMax

            What difference, at this point, does it make?

            The only possible reason it would make a difference is in how the attackers are prosecuted if and when they are caught, and that’s up to the officials who have jurisdiction. They won’t care what you or I or Bernie or Eleanor Clift calls it.

          • Tim Ned

            Ok I can’t say much more. I believe you and Clift have far different outlooks than I.

          • Integrity

            What do you call the deaths of the 3 others, collateral damage? Hopefully you are referring to the jurisdiction of a military tribunal. To suggest otherwise is pure lunacy. QED

          • begbie

            Maybe….but still killed as a result. Oops….thats murder. We could do this all day. But I have some belly button lint I need to get rid of so goodnight.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>…their Commander-In-Chief gave them orders to do whatever was necessary to help the Americans under attack.<<

            The lengths you'll go to in order to minimize & ignore that guy's failures just boggle the mind. Sending troops was also a necessary measure, and the president has to sign off on the deployment in order for it to be carried out.
            In case you're unsure, telling his cabinet members to do whatever was necessary does not qualify.

          • JMax

            The lengths you will go to to try to minimize the fact that the president told the Sec Def and CJCS to do what was necessary. If there was some measure or authorization that the military needed beyond those explicit orders, there is not one shred of evidence or testimony that it wasn’t given or even that it was asked for. Find a person in the chain of command who will testify that anyone was either told to stand down or denied whatever authorization they needed to carry out an effective rescue and I’ll listen. And while you are at it, please dream up some kind of motivation that would cause the president to give a stand down order.

          • Jeff Webb

            The stand-down order argument is a straw man, since there was never an order to engage in the first place.
            If you claim he did, it would mean the teams who were standing ready to be green-lighted for Libya didn’t do what the president ordered.

            http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2014/05/new-benghazi-testimony-retired-africom-general-says-early-on-we-knew-it-was-no-demonstration-2844568.html

            BTW, I’m very aware that Obama told Sec Def and CJCS to do what was necessary. Are you saying that was all he could do in that situation? How’d that work out for Ambassador Stevens, Sean Smith, Tyrone Woods, and Glen Doherty?

          • JMax

            “there was never an order to engage in the first place.”

            How do you know there was not? Who would have failed to give an order to engage?

            What teams were standing by ready to be green-lighted for Libya? If such teams existed, what makes you think they were waiting for an order that could only be given by phone or text directly from the president and not their immediate superiors?

            “Are you saying that was all he could do in that situation?”

            Of course not. But neither would I expect him to strap on an F-16 or discuss tactics with his top military people. I have no reason to believe he wouldn’t or didn’t give the military whatever authorization that they might have asked for. What more are you thinking he should have done that you have proof that he didn’t do?

            Stevens, Smith, Woods, and Doherty died in the line of duty, as so many fellow Americans have done in dangerous posts around the world.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>How do you know there was not? Who would have failed to give an order to engage?<>What more are you thinking he should have done that you have proof that he didn’t do?<<

            The consulate was outnumbered & outgunned the whole time they were under attack. We were capable of sending defense teams and/or airstrikes long before the attacks ended, but none went there.
            Either military commanders didn't follow Obama's orders, or he never ordered a strike. Which do you think happened?

          • JMax

            No I’m not kidding. I’m not looking at it through hate blinders.

            The Secretary of Defense and the chairman of the JCS testified Obama gave them the order. You might get yourself set straight by reading this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/benghazi.asp

            Included in this is:

            1) Panetta said he and top military commanders had judged it too dangerous to send troops to the eastern Libyan city without a clearer picture of events on the ground.
            2) The CIA rushed security operatives to an American diplomatic compound in Libya within 25 minutes after it had come under attack and played a more central role in the effort to fend off a night-long siege than has been publicly acknowledged, U.S. intelligence officials said.
            3) Among the new disclosures is that the CIA station chief in Tripoli sent an emergency security force, with about a half-dozen agency operatives as well as two U.S. military personnel, to Benghazi aboard a hastily chartered aircraft while the attack was underway.
            4) The Committee explored claims that there was a “stand down” order given to the security team at the Annex. Although some members of the security team expressed frustration that they were unable to respond more quickly to the Mission compound, the Committee found no evidence of intentional delay or obstruction by the Chief of Base or any other party.
            5) “As a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, General Ham, General Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation,” Panetta said.

            “Either military commanders didn’t follow Obama’s orders, or he never ordered a strike.”

            Or the order was given, and resources from the CIA Annex reached the compound in minutes and more were sent from Tripoli by the CIA station chief. Unfortunately these resources did not reach the scene in time to save the Americans. In the meantime, the military

          • Jeff Webb

            >>I’m not looking at it through hate blinders.<>Or the order was given, and resources from the CIA Annex reached the compound in minutes and more were sent from Tripoli by the CIA station chief. Unfortunately these resources did not reach the scene in time to save the Americans.<<

            You're not making sense. You cited Panetta saying it was too dangerous to send troops, and now you're theorizing an order was given to send troops. Which is it?

            Perhaps this will help you "get yourself straight":

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/07/panetta-defends-military-response-to-benghazi-attack-at-senate-hearing/

          • JMax

            Your Fox News link confirms everything I wrote above. Thanks for the confirmation.

          • Tim Ned

            “There were reports that the attackers meant to take the ambassador hostage. Has that been ruled out?

            I would assume they met up with a few motivated ex navy seals who would not abandon their posts – nor their ambassador!

            “do everything necessary….”.

            You are interpreting that this is an order. What leadership training did Obama attend that would spur that kind of command? And if you are referring that the military failed to follow an order, why weren’t they court martialed?

            “As for what Issa is investigating, who did or didn’t blame the video has absolutely nothing to do with the military response.”

            This is the heart of the controversy. Why did this administration bag, tag, and delivery the video message through Susan Rice?

            The ambassador called the equivalent of 911, and no one showed up and he was murdered.

          • JMax

            “You are interpreting that this is an order.”

            Yes. Why not? Did you expect the president to discuss tactics for carrying out the mission? Do you expect that the president would tell them to send in F-16s, or a C-130, or Blackhawks specifically? I wouldn’t. I would let the military use their judgement to carry out whatever mission they thought would be prudent and effective and that they would request and receive any authorization needed once they decided what that might be.

            I am not inferring that the military failed to follow an order. I am inferring that since the CIC obviously gave the order, you must believe the military either ignored it or failed to follow it.

            “The ambassador called the equivalent of 911, and no one showed up and he was murdered.”

            What does that mean?

          • Tim Ned

            Answer to your first paragraph: He gave what you call an order and nothing happened. This is why I want to know the exact orders the military received. The military obeys orders period. And nothing happened.

            Last paragraph; someone always shows up. Call 911 and find out. They may very likely be too late, but they always come.

          • JMax

            No. He gave an order and the military determined that it couldn’t provide prudent and effective relief within the timeline of the attack. The military has testified as to what assets were located where, how soon they could be deployed, and why they weren’t.

            If the nearest assets were in Tripoli, it would have been extremely imprudent for the military to take assets away from Tripoli given activities in other places in North Africa and given the lack of knowledge about what they would be facing in Benghazi. And the military has testified to that.

            What other constraints do suppose the military was under? Were they all lying when they said they could not have helped in time. Assets did arrive shortly after the attacks to take the remains out of the country.

          • Integrity

            JMAX, All the rationalization in the world cannot excuse your hero on this one. The real shame here is that they did not call the President and his co-conspirators out when they lied to the American people. If the military is to blame, why didn’t the commander in chief hold them accountable? More importantly, where was the commander in chief during this attack? If our military was failing to respond, why didn’t the commander in chief demand action? You take a slobbering love affair to a new extreme. Who are you going to find to blame next, the Red Cross? QED

          • JMax

            I don’t know what you mean by my hero.

            There is no evidence that the President or anybody else lied to anybody. Did somebody spin? Well, yeah! You think that’s the first time in history that every happened?

            Who said the military is to blame? I said given that the president ordered the top military people to help the Americans (which by their testimony he did), anyone who thinks there was a failure to save them would logically have to blame someone in the military chain of command. The CIC of course held them accountable. Apparently he and the chain of command were satisfied with the reasons that the military could not reach the Americans in time.

            The president was in the White House during the attack and he and/or his staff was in touch with the military at all times. Nobody has ever refuted this. There are pictures of it.

            There is no evidence that the military failed to respond. The evidence and testimony by the military was that there was no prudent and effective way to reach the Americans before they did.

            I’m blaming nobody. You are. But there is nobody at fault here. I don’t think the Red Cross was in Libya at the time.

          • Integrity

            Believe what you want JMAX. My guess is that your tune would be quite different if Bush was in charge at the time. Just to let you in on a inconvenient truth; spinning the facts is still a lie. There is no evidence that the Red Cross was not in Libya at the time. I was being facetious about the Red Cross. Good grief! QED

          • JMax

            W sat in a classroom for seven minutes looking like a deer caught in the headlights after being told America is under attack.

            Spinning facts is only a lie if that spinning is untrue.

          • Integrity

            Talk about making my point for me. One could argue that W should have left immediately, but saying he looked like a deer caught in the headlights only shows your partisanship, nothing more. In your eyes, Obama cannot tell a lie. His flatulence probably doesn’t stink either. Keep deflecting, side stepping and changing the subject if it makes you feel better. QED

    • FlaVet

      Fly away…troll.

  • Patrick H.

    Whether or not Benghazi is a scandal, there’s no debating that Ambassador Chris Stevens was indeed murdered, to argue otherwise is just silly. Ms. Clift, just let it go. You’re just making yourself look more foolish the more you try to explain it. In any case, she’s most likely technically correct as that’s probably what did him in. However, she misses the forest for the trees as to what caused that smoke inhalation which was the terrorists setting fire to the embassy. So Ms. Clift, with all due respect, you’ve lost this argument either way you slice it.

    • msami1026

      darn socialist/commies. they’re like freakin’ mosquitoes! & have the same amt. of brain power to use.

    • Jim Pell

      I seem to recall a photograph of bloody finger smears along a wall. And I don’t recall a published autopsy report.

    • Lc Goodfellow

      “narcissistic loony toon” I’ve wanted to add that to something, ever since I heard her say that, thx.

  • EddieD_Boston

    Need any more proof liberalism is a mental disorder? Ms. Clift was, is and will always be a fool.

  • Brian Stover

    And President Lincoln died from lead poisoning.

  • gold7406

    Moving forward, instead of “jumping the shark,” for journalists, it will become known as “jumping off a clift.”

    • Jeff Webb

      Gold, that’s the best comment I’ve read in a long time!

      • gold7406

        I just went back and saw Chuck’s comment. how cool

  • jackietreehorn3

    Great column. Don’t care what her politics are She’s an absolute scumbag for taking this stance.

  • Tim Ned

    Good grief Bernie; when I thought I had heard everything you remind me I haven’t!

  • chuck.tatum

    Even for Eleanor Clift, that’s off the Clift.
    In fact, let’s retire ‘jump the shark’ as the phrase that says something is past it’s prime. I suggest we start calling it, ‘jumping the Clift.”

    • Jeff Webb

      Grand slam, out of the park, chuck!

  • chuck.tatum

    John McLaughlin, “Mort (Kondrake) to my left, Mort (Zuckerberg) to my right. Why, I’m mortified!”