Ted Nugent and His Conservative Media Enablers

NugentTed Nugent, the gun-toting rocker with a big mouth, has done it again.   His latest rant, not surprisingly, is about his favorite target, Barack Obama.  This is what he recently told guns.com:

Barack Obama is a “Chicago communist-raised, communist-educated, communist-nurtured subhuman mongrel” and a “gangster.”

Even if you ignore the communist and gangster rhetoric, Nugent called the president of this country a “subhuman mongrel” – the same language, by the way, that Hitler used on the Jews and that slaveholders used to describe their slaves.

So it’s no surprise that liberals in the media jumped on the remark, noting that Nugent has been out campaigning for likely Republican nominee for governor of Texas, state Attorney General Greg Abbott.

On CNN, Wolf Blitzer said, “Nugent’s presence hit a sour note with a lot of people. They say Texans deserve better than a candidate who would align himself with someone like Nugent who offered a hate-filled assessment of the president. Shockingly, Abbott’s campaign brushed aside the criticism, saying they value Nugent’s commitment to the Second Amendment.”

This prompted Newt Gingrich, who’s also on CNN, to complain about the media double standard.  “I always love selective media outrage. As the party of Hollywood, the Democrats have lots of donors and supporters who say truly stupid things. Truly outrageous things.”

Newt is right.  There is a double standard.  But he left out the most important part:  Conservatives in the media are just as guilty.

Here’s how it works:  If a conservative like Sarah Palin, is slimed by a liberal like Bill Maher conservatives are outraged and liberals couldn’t care less.  But when a liberal, like Barack Obama is slimed as a “subhuman mongrel,” liberals are outraged and conservatives in the media pretty much ignore the story.  Rule #1:  Don’t hold a member of your team accountable – it might give ammo to the enemy.

So when it comes to moral outrage, forgive me, neither liberals nor conservatives in the media have even an ounce of credibility.

As for Nugent, his latest comments are hardly his first.  He once went on stage, decked out in his trademark camouflage, toting two machine guns, and told the crowd:  “Obama, he’s a piece of shit.  I told him to suck on my machine gun.”  And then this, about another Nugent enemy:  “Hey Hillary, you might want to ride one of these [machine guns] into the sunset, you worthless bitch.”

So how did family values media conservatives respond – those conservatives who tell us they care deeply about civility and decency in our culture?  Here’s how:  They continued to have him on as their guest.  They continued treating him as a good guy.  And why not? He’s their pal.  He’s a real conservative.  And he loves guns, too.  What a guy!

And while I’m no fan of Ted Nugent, these media hacks really turn my stomach.

To their credit a few prominent Republicans said Nugent was way off base.  Texas Governor Rick Perry said,  “I got a problem calling the president a mongrel. I do have a problem with that.”

And Rand Paul, who has presidential aspirations, went further, tweeting, “Ted Nugent’s derogatory description of President Obama is offensive and has no place in politics.  He should apologize.”

After that, Nugent did apologize, sort of.   “I do apologize–not necessarily to the President–but on behalf of much better men than myself.”  He calls the President of the United States a “subhuman mongrel” and apologizes “not necessarily to the president.”

If Ted Nugent is sorry about anything, it’s only that he put Greg Abbott, the conservative Republican who wants to be governor of Texas, in a bad spot.  After one of his rallies, Abbot told reporters, “I don’t know what he [Nugent] may have said or done in his background.  What I do know is Ted Nugent stands for the Constitution.  He stands against the federal government overreaching and doing what they are doing to harm Texas.”

But when he couldn’t put out the fire his pal Ted Nugent started, Abbott changed his tune.  “This is not the kind of language I would use or endorse in any way,” he said before adding:  “It’s time to move beyond this.”

Greg Abbott may be able to move beyond this and win the election, but no one will confuse him with a profile in courage.  And the same goes for Nugent’s pathetic enablers in the conservative media.

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  • patty

    @TOMME LIAM BRADAIGH. Fat Ass here!!! :) So shall we say we agree to disagree? Oh, so you think you have the facts? Bully for you. I have facts based on my opinions as well as others. I don’t know but like KATE AND OTHERS AND SEE THE PSHCHOSIS IN NUGENTS RANTS. I think most smart people tune out the “ranters.” But if he is your cup of tea/fine with me. AND DON’T FORGET. DECEMBER AROUND THE CORNER SO BEST GET YOUR CHRISTMAS LIST READY TO SEND TO SANTA AT THE NORTH POLE/SORRY IF FORGT TO REMIND YOU ABOUT THE EASTER BUNNY :) :) p.s. remember Santa likes a glass of milk and cookies on the fire place!

  • http://att.net/ patty

    I support Nugents “gun rights” views. I don’t support his big fat and I believe drug and alcohol use mouth. If old Ted wants supporters then he needs to do a better presentation that his foul mouth. @TOMMELIAM..IT’S COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT OBAMA, CLINTON, ETC. ARE GOING TO FIND OUT AS PROMISED TO THE LOVED ONES KILLED IN BENGHAZI/HA. About as common knowledge that Nugent is 100% drug free. You must believe in Santa, or the Easter Bunny. Psychosis hits the nail on the head..

    • Tomme Liam Bradaigh

      PATTY: If you have any proof that Nugent abuses alcohol or recreational drugs, show the proof of that or just shut up, instead of sitting there on your computer on your fat ass making stupid and insulting remarks to me here. I stated facts with which you disagree, so therefore you insult me and make stupid remarks. Is that how you make your points? Your idiotic remark about me believing in Santa and Easter Bunny was completely irrelevant and absurd.
      BTW, I just found out that you responded to my post here, as it was not directed at my post/me. ;’)

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @KIK. AGREE 100% Ted Nugents rants give conservatives a bad image. So he’s clean and sober from booze and drugs? I’d hate to be around him when he was on them! Run for your life. I agree with a lot of Ted’s opinions but I cannot support his style.

  • Panther Smith

    Oh I’m sorry, did Ted piss people off by telling the truth? Humm I’d say he’s stating the obvious.

    • Kate

      Nugent is rat poison crazy and so is anyone who can’t see the psychosis in his rants and/or think he speaks the truth.

  • Klk

    Bernie,
    I sincerely think Obama should be replaced and a true conservative should occupy 1600. The rants of Ted Nugent , in my opinion , are uncalled for. There is plenty to complain about in Obamas policy’s without resorting to low brow insults. A bad reflection on conservatives.

  • Virgil Renfroe

    Bernard, the enemy is not those conservatives, it’s those ass kissing rino’s who forgot what a conservative was, watch as time goes by and remember this, people are not stupid they can see the debt, and the higher inflation, and the lower numbers of people working, and the printing of phony money without end, the left is getting to peoples lives now and that pot will surly boil over, and they won’t go hunting for some isle crossing rino, America wants doers not dealers, your still not up to the people, look some more,

  • texexpatriate

    A mongrel is any variety of human or other species that results from the crossing of different varieties. I would argue that Obama meets that definition. His Caucasian mother mated with a Negro father (who may have been a Kenyan, as claimed, but might have been Frank Marshall Davis, an American Negro Communist writer) to produce Barack. Two varieties of race meets the definition of mongrel. The behavior of Obama politically also qualifies to meet the definition.

    • Panther Smith

      Nailed it bro. I absolutely agree.

  • buckrodgers

    Mr Godlberg, you have been a journalist for years and seen Presidents come and go, so it’s hard for me to believe that you would criticize Ted Nuggent, while so called legitimate journalist make complete fools out of themselves every single day, seriously the profession you love has become a home to sun worshipers and zombies, in all your years of being a journalist, how many god like presidents, who can feed the masses with one loaf of bread, while he walks on water with the entire world in complete awe, my guess is none, so whats different about this President, could it be the Vietnam War, when the greatest generation in the world returned home from fighting Hitler’s Third Reich, jobs their were plenty of good jobs available and to avoid the racial strife in the inner cities, middle class whites moved to the suburbs,leaving African Americans who were still fighting for civil rights behind in urban jungles,middle class whites could afford to send their kids to college, then the Vietnam war started to take it’s toll on America, people who could afford to send their kids to school avoided the draft, concenisous objectors became the word of choice for americans who wanted to stay out of the war, so they took to the streets with slogans like make love not war and hey hey LBJ how many kids did you kill today, they went left their middle class all white suburbs to march with African Americans, but they wern’t looking to help blacks obtain basic civil rights, what they really wanted was to stay out of Vietnam, so here we are decades later and the me me generation is still trying to change the world, not to better man kind, but to make themselves feel that they actually made a difference, that their entire life wasn’t a waste of time, but the reality is the love children of yesterday only cared about themselves and they still only care about themselves today, if it dosen’t work change the rules, if that dosen’t work pass a law so they can make it work and if all else fails cry foul, why should superman be allowed to leap from buildings in a single bound, while I can barely walk, the Me Me generation may have banned the word reality from schoolbooks but when it hit’s right between the eyes, their back in the streets crying foul.

  • buckrodgers

    Theirs a reason that more and more news outlets, are forced to post their words of wisdom on Yahoo, where Americans can use the comment to tell the author exactly what they think of them and it’s not because of journalistic excellence, more and more Americans think of the media as a bunch of clowns,looking for a job on comedy central, in fact more and more legitimate news outlets are actually interviewing and using comments made by comedians like John Stewart and Steven Colbert and you wonder why Americans view the media is a three ring circus, that’s not to say there are aren’t journalist who want to make a difference, but unfortunate their being over shadowed by a bunch of high profile buffoons, who turn the news over to the highest bidder, I’m always amused when a white reporter, who seems to think that it was talent,not their skin color that gave them a forum,to label everybody but themselves a racist, i’m also amused when a white journalist tries to lecture an African American on what it’s like to grow up black in America, as if watching every episode of roots make them an expert and you right when these foul mouthed hypocrites attack Sarah Palin and Laura Ingram with some choice words, just to silence them and you wonder why executives don’t cut cost by sticking a tape recorder on the back of a trained seal and let him have at it, unfortunately it’s the media thats acting like the Nazis and the Klan not individuals excessing their rights to free speech and just because they don’t wear swatstika or white hoods dosen’t mean their any better in fact their worse because they a preaching hate, while they hope for violence, look at the case of George Zimmerman, when the media was angering the masses by playing judge, juror and executioner, a innocent couple was attacked,when their address was mistakenly giving out by hoodlums,just looking to get somebody killed, or how about the Duke Lacrosse case or Tawana Brawley, where news outlets were deliberately truing to get somebody killed and in the case of Rodney King, they managed to start a riot, years ago when Walter Cronkite spoke Americans tuned in and listend, but with this bunch you want to tune them out and laugh and all the correspondence dinners or worthless Pul; Pulitzers you like to hand out to yourself won’t make you any more popular, so forget about Ted Nuggent and start policing your self, before every journalist ends up on comedy central.

  • Rose

    This macho tactic is leading the Republicans to some very dangerous waters. When your so-called leaders at CPAC and on interview shows praise Putin and embrace him as a leader and “potent” wrestler of bears—well, you have to assume it is a conscience and coordinated decision to aid and abet a treacherous thug who is the enemy of our nation!

    • Rose

      Make that a conscious act above… Darn spell checker. At any rate, it us getting curiouser and curiouser at CPAC. Cruz said the GOP nominates too many moderates and joked about President Romney, President McCain And President Dole. as someone with a minor in American History, I remind him of President Goldwater.

  • Rose

    The Bush and Cheney Wars were every bit as useless as the Vietnam Nam Conflict—just as unnecessary and costly and doomed to failure.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @BILL. I similar feelings about the way Ted Nugent rants and raves. Nugent calling Obama Subhuman mongrel is pushing the envelope and not acceptable. I often refer to Obama as inept, a liar, dislike the way he deviates from the Constitution to his way of thinking “HIS WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.” His overuse of his “pencil/pen” proudly boasting, he will use it when not getting his way. Guess it is his weapon of choice :) Like, holding a gun to someone’s head and saying your money or your life!! I have questioned Nugent’s faculties with his rants and wondering if he is on drugs, on something? Support him and his dislike for Obama. Jdon’t like his presentation. I have to do some research on your comments about how Nugent dodged the Viet Nam Draft. Know deferred 2 times/high school and college? Thanks for your 4 years of active duty in Viet Nam. It saddens me that your girl friend lost her daddy when she was 2. I never supported the Nam war. I protested it! It was obvious from the get go we couldn’t win! So many lives lost needlessly, permanent devastating injuries. AND NOT ONE BIT OF THANK, RECOGNITION, BENEFITS GIVEN WHEN WE ADMITTED DEFEAT AND BROUGHT OUR BOYS/MEN HOME. Unforgiveable in my books.

    • Tomme Liam Bradaigh

      FYI…It is common knowledge that Ted Nugent is 100% recreational drug and alcohol free.
      Ted Nugent is a gun rights activist and Obama is public enemy #1 on that issue. Yes, Ted did go over the top with his “mongrel” comment, but Obama’s supporters make equally offensive comments about/to conservatives. I understand that two wrongs don’t make one right, but this is a very emotional issue for Ted and he got carried away, it seems.
      BTW, Obama’s comment was that he’s got a phone (not a pencil) and a pen. He was arrogantly referring to his unconstitutional executive orders and memos to his administrators to ignore any laws with which he disagrees and to make changes in them as he directs them to do.

  • Bill

    What I find more distasteful than Ted’s comments towards the President is the fact the man dodged being drafted to serve the country he claims to love in Viet Nam by crapping in his pants on the way to his physical. I served, proudly, but only for 4 years active duty. My girlfriend’s father was killed in Vietnam when she was 2 years old. She no longer has any memories of him, but for a few photos. Ted is a fake patriot who doesn’t deserve even being noticed. His opinion is marginal and therefore should be marginalized. Any conservative who thinks this “man” speaks to love of country or freedom is being deceived. He wants to be relevant…. which he is not.

    • Rose

      Ted is phony on every level.

    • Jeff Webb

      >>What I find more distasteful than Ted’s comments towards the President
      is the fact the man dodged being drafted to serve the country he claims
      to love in Viet Nam by crapping in his pants on the way to his physical.<<

      You might want to check your facts on this.

      • Rose

        Facts are Ted repeatedly stated in books and interviews that he avoided Vietnam Nam by the methods cited above. Then when he realized the right wing would find that distasteful, he recanted.

        • Jeff Webb

          Got a link, Rose?

          • Rose

            Look it up for yourself. There are many accounts online of big-mouth Ted making those statements. Why would he say such a thing about himself if it were not true?

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Look it up for yourself.<>There are many accounts online of big-mouth Ted making those statements.<>Why would he say such a thing about himself if it were not true?<<

            Why would you not want to back up your claim if it were true?

  • Rose

    An exercise in freedom is when We the People go to the polls on Election Day and vote for the candidate of our choice for president. We the People elected President Barack Obama twice. If you cannot live with that, you are not as fond of our system of government as you claim to be.

    Concerning the Constitution, Obama is a lawyer and Constitutional scholar. He is very familiar with the Constitution and the responsibilities of each branch of government. The Constitution is subject to interpretation and the body designated to do that is the judicial branch, the courts. They decide what laws are constitutional or unconstitutional. The Supreme Court of the land decided that the ACA was constitutional, for example. The founders did not say that you and I, as individuals or as groups, would decide the constitutionality of an action or law. That is left to the courts.

    Many of you do not like our system at all, though you claim to.

    • Panther Smith

      Rose I leave you this thought that may have been true in Ted’s younger days of days long past. I leave you this…………
      “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I
      thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.”
      1 Corinthians 13:11
      So Ted grew up, don’t we all?

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @LHS. Back again. Saw your other comment..” Best to remain silent, etc. I remember growing up with my dad telling me IF YOU/PEOPLE KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT THEY WON’T KNOW YOU/they ARE STUPID :) Ha. I tried to follow his advice but sometime I have been know to have foot in mouth disease. Not often!

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @LHA (GUEST) Thanks for supporting comment. I’ll have to remember what you said regarding “THE ROSIE’S in the future. “ignorance can be remedied but you can’t fix stupid!!!

  • http://att.net/ patty

    Whoopsie. Meant to say our elected President is responsible and NOT ABIDING BY OUR CONSTITUTION, ETC.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @LHS..You might direct your comment to Rose who doesn’t get the picture what is or isn’t! I think Rose is ignorant to the fact that the elected President is responsible for abiding by our Constitution and not customizing it to fit his way or the highway!

    • LHS

      She’s not worth my time, patty. Ignorance can be remedied, but you can’t fix stupid.
      Big yawn.

  • Rose

    Every four years, We the People elect a president. Somebody gets the most votes, popular and/or electoral. Usually one candidate wins by a healthy number of votes. Occasionally, the vote totals are excruciatingly close, as in 2000. There are rules in place to handle those elections which are not settled by vote totals. Again, see 2000. But we always come up with a winner and a loser. It is the American Way. To be a sour grapes sore loser who cannot and will not accept the outcome of an election is just plain stupid. The Constitution does not guarantee that your candidate will win every time or even once. If your candidate loses, you are supposed to become a member of the Loyal Opposition, not a bitter, name-calling jerk who cannot accept the will of the voters.

    • Jeff Webb

      I know Obama supporters like you can’t stand dissenting speech, but you’ll just have to accept it happens.

      • Rose

        Dissenting speech is one thing. Blind hatred and racism and sour grapes are different. Being unable to accept that your candidate lost is a kind of mental defect, in my opinion. We the People elected President Obama.

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Rose, You hate Mexicans. Now it’s up to you to prove that you don’t. #RoseLogic

        • Jeff Webb

          >> Blind hatred and racism and sour grapes are different.<>We the People elected President Obama.<<

          So? We the people also elected every Republican in Congress.

          • Rose

            It is the presidential races that cause people to have sour grapes. I doubt you obsess about my local congressman being elected. But Lord knows you obsess about Barack Obama.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>It is the presidential races that cause people to have sour grapes. I doubt you obsess about my local congressman being elected.<>But Lord knows you obsess about Barack Obama.<<

            You're quite the exaggerator. Really, it's disapproval of a president's incompetence, dishonesty, and contempt for the rule of law.

  • Rose

    The more I come here, the prouder I am to be an Obama supporter. You guys are so rabidly against him, and that is a great endorsement. Now, let’s get ready for Hillary!

    • LHS

      Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

    • Jeff Webb

      >>The more I come here, the prouder I am to be an Obama supporter. You
      guys are so rabidly against him, and that is a great endorsement. Now,
      let’s get ready for Hillary!<<

      Nice to see they're getting such ardent support from the "Benghazi victims hater" bloc.

      • Rose

        Wow, you really dug deep into your cesspool mind to dig that last line out, Jeff. Truth is your ilk uses the Benghazi victims as sticks to beat Hillary and Obama with. You could care less about them or our soldiers who were killed/maimed in the Bush wars. Guess what! Benghazi was a CIA stronghold, and you will never know the full story of that. Nor will you be able to gain anything from it. It’s like your birther efforts. An empty hole.

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Why don’t you offer that explanation to the families of the four victims, Rose? I’m sure they’d find your condescension toward their suffering to be every bit as hilarious as you find yourself.

          • Rose

            I suspect they know that empathy and sympathy are different from political exploitation of their dead loved ones, John.

          • Jeff Webb

            They may or may not know your ilk has zero empathy and sympathy for them, but they absolutely know Mrs. Clinton lied right to their faces.

          • Rose

            So you speak for all the family members of the Benghazi victims? Funny. I thought they spoke for themselves. Lately, they have been pretty quiet. Serving in a country like Libya in any capacity is extremely dangerous. The ones who died knew exactly what they were getting into. Stevens volunteered for the assignment and was a diplomat by choice. I thought you liked people who died for their country. Why no compassion for those who died or were maimed in the Bush wars?

          • Jeff Webb

            >>So you speak for all the family members of the Benghazi victims? Funny. I thought they spoke for themselves. Lately, they have been pretty quiet.<>The ones who died knew exactly what they were getting into. Stevens
            volunteered for the assignment and was a diplomat by choice.<>I thought you liked people who died for their country.<>Why no compassion for those who died or were maimed in the Bush wars?<<

            SQUIRREL!

            .

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Don’t pretend you care about them, Rose. You’ve made it clear that you don’t.

    • Panther Smith

      Oh hell no, Hillary in the white house???? Not in this life time. I’d take Sarah Palin first. Hillary is nuts.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @Proud Vet. I thank you for your twenty years of service in the United States of America Army. I thank you for protecting me, my family and keeping all Americans safe in their home. I was a hands on supporter of those of you who served in Viet Nam. A ridiculous war and worse, after fighting for year, you came home defeated and got no recognition, no appreciation or benefits. I’ve known several Viet Nam vets personally who have come home without limbs, suffering with PTSD and ancient orange. NOT ONE PARADE, NOT THANKS OF ANY KIND. A grave injustice to you and those who fought along side you. However, with all due respect, and again reminding you of my thanks and appreciation for your service, I have to completely and totally disagree with your comment. I am afraid your are confused as to just who are the HATEMONGERS. People will never find a God that hates/he does not exist. He does not approve of hate the fake Christians/Sunday Christians as I call them . I see your anger and it is from your years of service in Viet Nam. I can understand your anger buy firmly believe you are greatly misguided/brain washed. Hopefully, in time, you will recognize that Obama is not your best friend as the Tea Party participants did. God Bless and thank you always.

    • Robert C

      Jesus hated the Nicolaitains! So many people think they know their bible but do not!

      • Rose

        I suppose that means that you are the final authority on all things Biblical, Robert C. Uhhh, since when do we have to listen to the ravings of a lunatic? You seem quite unhinged to me.

  • proud vet

    You know, I am really sick of all this right wing bull roar. I did not serve twenty years in the army,and do three tours in Vietnam,to see my country taken over by Facist traitors. We have come too far as a nation,and our mission has advanced too far to allow hatemongers to push us back fifty years. Hey Tea Party! You are racists,plain and simple.The mere fact that the Tea Party as a political entity did not even exist before Obama tool office,proves it. Why don’t you just own it you’ll feel better,and who knows? To all you fake Christians out there,you may even find a God that doesn’t Hate!

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      First of all, thank you for your service. Secondly, this is one of the most ridiculous posts I’ve read all week… and that’s really saying something. Proclaiming a fiscally conservative mindset to be racist and un-Christian is example of pure idiocy… and I know plenty of your fellow Vietnam vets (including some that are in the Tea Party) who would tell you the exact same thing.

    • Rose

      I agree with proud vet. No sensible person wants to go back to the fifties or sixties. And the Tea Party exists because a black man is in the WH and will disappear when he leaves.

      • Rose

        As to why they do not own their racist mindset, they are ashamed of what they are! The south is Republican because of racism, too. Everybody knows it.

    • Rose

      The Tea Party is made up of people who hate this country. They want it to fail. But they are weak and cannot bring it down with their hate and venom. They are on the outside looking in.

    • Rose

      Right on, proud vet!

      • Rose

        Everybody knows that the solid Democratic south went Republican because of the civil rights movement and integration. And everyone knows the Tea Party has a lot of racists in it. And proud vet and I know that not all military people are right wing nuts.

      • Rose

        The right likes to pretend that all or most military people are right wing nut jobs. Wrong.

    • Robert C

      I am 100% service connected an I did not serve to see our country be taken over by socialist-neo Nazi’s who want to force sharia law on us!

      • Rose

        Just what does it mean to be “service connected” and at 100% level. What kind of doublespeak is that? Are you in the military now or not? Did you ever serve on active duty? Are you a disabled vet drawing a pension for life? Are you in the reserves? People who avoid specifics are usually full of bull? And most military vets know that communism, socialism and Fascism are not the same. I think you are full of hooey, old man.

    • Rose

      The Tea Party is a reaction to having a black family in the White House. The fiscal responsibility mantra is a joke. George W. Spent like a drunken sailor and squandered the surplus that Clinton left him. It’s the black president that galls these racists.

    • Jeff Webb

      >>You know, I am really sick of all this right wing bull roar. I did not
      serve twenty years in the army,and do three tours in Vietnam,to see my
      country taken over by Facist traitors.<<

      Think about it: Obamacare has given already-powerful politicians and their appointed bureaucrats more control than ever. The party in power was exposed spying on us more then they let on, and was targeting opposition groups. The president has repeatedly overstepped his Constitutional authority, and picks & chooses which laws should be enforced. Washington D.C. is one big money-burning operation.

      Now people are demanding the Constitution be obeyed (the president's #1 responsibility), and some fiscal restraint be exercised, and you're calling THEM "Fascist traitors"?! You've got a screw loose, pally.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @LHS…Thanks for the support. You surely have gotten Rose’s number. Yup, paid troll and STUPID..I think all of us should stop bringing ourselves down to her mud wrestling intellect and stop responding to her. Note how she never replies to comments and responds with name calling. BUT front and center immediately denying drug use. :)

    • LHS

      You are welcome. Yes. Ignore.

  • Carmen Sense

    I am a fan of Ted and admittedly his controversial comments are like red meat for me. That being said I agree that inflammatory statements do not help rational conversation in the public forum.

  • LHS

    Bernie, playing all nice and above board with the left doesn’t work. Namby pambies lose.
    The left’s logo – that they never show – is a snapping turtle; they never let go. The right had better remember that and play more hard nose football as well. The RINOs are allowing the country to be slowly stolen away and this is to keep their prince and princess privileges and power. I respectfully ask you to w-a-k-e up. This ain’t kindergarten and you know it.

    • Rose

      Bet you have a long list of RINOS who have “sold out” your party and who are too sensible for your tastes, LHS. Yep, if only everyone were like Ted Nugent, your side would be in the WH now.

      • LHS

        Yawn…

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @ROSE. Think you’re forgetting all the promises Obama made during both his campaigns and hasn’t kept. I think time will prove (as it is doing right now) O voters will pay the price as the rest of us and generations to come. You asked for comments, you got mine. Babylon Whore/Cow! ha. Let’s hope if you do get negative responses you have the decency to agree to disagree without your usual trash talk, name calling.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    Patrick..Terrible comparison..Bernie and the Gestapo. I find a very insensitive comment. Just my opinion/we can agree to disagree :)

    • LHS

      Unfortunately, a large percentage of American Jews have bought the left’s scam. And this is absolutely incredible after the atrocities of the Holocaust. Incredible. Dennis Prager says in effect they have become JINOs.

      • Rose

        The attempted extermination of Jews by the Germans came from the hard right and Jews are not likely to forget that anytime soon.

        • LHS

          You’re misguided and probably high, “Rose”. Have another fattie and dry up.

          • Rose

            No, I am squeaky clean when it comes to drugs. You seem well-acquainted with them, though. Jews have traditionally voted Democrat and still do. So did the solid south, until integration and civil rights turned it Republican.

          • LHS

            Sigh.

  • Patrick Q. McLaughlin

    Bernie sounds like the kind of guy that would have been surprised when the Gestapo came for him and his family, after watching all of his neighbors herded
    into the box cars. Sometimes fire should be fought with fire. Ted Nugent is a jerk but he has the same rights as Bernie has.

  • Rose

    Not sure where to put this, so I will put it here. I responded to John Daly on another thread and would like to hear some comments about what it means to be The Loyal Opposition.

    John Daly, I am glad that you finally admitted what many on these boards will not. There is no evidence whatsoever that poor people and other minorities voted for Obama in droves because of welfare, handouts, food stamps, obama phones or anything of that nature. Thank you for being honest. Poor people and minorities voted for Obama because of his policies and programs or for Romney for the same reason. Poor people love their country just as much as rich people do and are perfectly capable of sorting out issues in a rational, unselfish manner. Each individual votes after considering the candidates and making judgments about his character, credibility and policies. People are not duped or fooled or badgered into voting one way or the other. They make assessments, and voters are never wrong. Just because more voters voted for Obama does not mean more voters were wrong. Like the customer, the voter is always right. Any candidate or party that does not make his/her case to the voters does not deserve to win. And the voters whose candidate lost should accept the outcome. It is the American way. Sour grapes and sore losers are really very unAmerican. The Loyal Opposition has turned into the DisLoyal Obstructionists these days.

    • IndependentCuss

      country is too divided now. It started to get bad in 2000 when Gore won the most votes but lost. Courts had to decide the winner and it went on forever. 9/11 briefly united us. Didn’t last long. Been a grudge match ever since. I support the president whether I voted for him or not. It’s a tough job. Wouldn’t want it myself.

    • LHS

      You are a left wing moonbat, Rose. And stupid. But I repeat myself. On my Not-worth-my-time list. Goodbye.

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        lol. Rose seems to be very proud of her recent replies me… enough that she’s re-posting them all over the place. The most bizarre part of this, however, is that she never actually responded to anything I’ve ever actually written or any points I’ve ever tried to make. It’s beyond weird.

        I think “John Daly” might actually be the name of some imaginary friend she has.

        • LHS

          Yes, and she’s in bad need of snack and nap time. Or time out. Possibly a prime example of spare the rod, spoil the child.

          • Rose

            Gosh, LHS, sounds like you would like to give me a good beating. So much for free speech.

            Btw, I saw an interesting poll the other day. Husbands and wives were asked if they voted the same way. Seventy per cent of the men said that they and their wives voted for the same people. Forty-nine per cent of the wives answered the same.

            Ah, the serenity of the ballot box. All that glorious privacy.

          • LHS
          • Rose

            Yep, some “little women” listened to their hubbies rant and rave about Obama, planned parenthood, rape, etc. and just kept on knitting until Election Day when they went in the voting booth and voted for Obama.

          • Jeff Webb

            Really, now?

            Something your tiny, hyperpartisan mind couldn’t fathom: conservative men all over the country were home with their kids (like I am every day) while their pro-life wives were out voting for Mitt Romney.

            The mere fact they didn’t vote for Obama shows a sensibility of thought you’re desperately in need of.

          • Rose

            I bring this up because I think many conservative women broke with their husbands in the last election by voting for Obama and against the radical right Santorums, Akins, etc. who said such outrageous things about women. The right has no idea how offensive that was to all women, even some with fiery Republican husbands.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            No, what Obama supporters voted against was a moderate Republican who the left and the media (the same really) falsely portrayed as being the same as Santorum and Akins. Emotion over logic. My point made again.

      • Rose

        So long, LHS. Have a nice day, you old sour puss!

        • LHS

          Ooooooh.

      • Rose

        LHS, do you ever comment on substance or try to put forth a rational argument? Just wondered.

        • LHS

          Are you still here?

  • Rose

    The Ted Nugent discussion seems to have been exhausted long ago. I think that even the most virulent right winger recognizes that his mouth hurts more than helps their cause. He is a has-been rocker who has carved out a niche appealing to gun nuts and Tea Party types, kind of like the Duck Dynasty frauds. I notice that people who take on right wing extremism as a career deteriote rapidly into flacks or flakes. Look at what Dennis Miller has become. The once suave, debonair, hip and intelligent comic is now a pudgy, grizzled old flack for O’Reilly. They go downhill fast when they sell out to the hard right.

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      I find it hilarious when left-wingers reminisce about how funny Dennis Miller “used to be”, back in the good old days when he leaned liberal. Somehow, coming to his conservative sensibilities made Miller “not funny” anymore in their eyes. lol. What a bunch of sour pusses.

      Miller was funny back then and he’s still funny.

      • LHS

        Yes, NOW hurts their widdle feeeeelings.

        • Rose

          Nope. He was hip and cool, wry and sophisticated then. Now he is stodgy and just plain not as sharp and interesting.

          • LHS
          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            aka He was liberal back then. Now that he’s conservative, and people like you are the butt of his jokes, you can’t take it.

            Being a right-leaning comedian in an industry that leans left makes him edgy and interesting. And his humor is as sharp as it ever was.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    I wonder if Rosie the biker babe has noted that she doesn’t have many of her fellow libs support her ridiculous comments/supporting her? I’m sure she is an embarrassment. She doesn’t seem to be able to answer questions. @Hey Rosie the Biker Babe. I’ve been waiting for your response to my asking you what you meant in your E stating “YOU INTEND TO IGNORE “ROSE” AS SHE APPEARS TO BE UNSTABLE??? Seems you may have put your foot in your mouth or looked in the mirror to see the “unstable Rose” you spoke of is you/ha.

    • LHS

      She’s a paid troll, patty. And a stupid one. You know that.

      • Rose

        LHS, you seem very intolerant, even for a Faux News junkie and ditto-head. I am giving my opinion for free just as I am sure you are. Grow up! You are way too sensitive.

        • LHS

          yawn

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @CATHOLICVOTER. Enjoyed your comment. Absolutely agree with you that Nugent needs to tone his radical opinions down. Like you, I am also in the same arena as Nugent He is somewhat of an embarrassment to his supporters. I have found through the years that many who get on the band wagon, claiming to be God fearing Christians are usually what I call Sunday Christians and rest of the week their behavior is not Christian. Also agree, he is mad at Obama because of his deliberate and total disrespect for our Constitution. AREN’T WE ALL? OBAMA’S WAY OR THE HIGHWAY. SCREW THE CONSTITUTION/ HE SAID HE WILL USE HIS PEN/PENCIL AS HE SEES FIT.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    I wonder if Rosie the biker babe has noted that she doesn’t have many of her fellow libs support her ridiculous comments/supporting her? I’m sure she is an embarrassment. @Hey Rosie the Biker Babe. I’ve been waiting for your response to my asking you what you meant in your E stating “YOU INTEND TO IGNORE “ROSE” AS SHE APPEARS TO BE UNSTABLE??? I think we know why, don’t we? Like Webb and Daly, I also have noted, you ignore and don’t answer their questions. It seems your small level of intelligence intellect doesn’t allow you to answer their “intelligent” questions whereby you come back with name calling.

  • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

    Bernie, Nugent was the first guy I ever saw in concert. I was sixteen. While I mostly agree with Ted Nugent in the area of politics, I think as someone who describes himself as a Christian, he needs to tone it down. I know he’s mad, like many of us who do not like how the Constitution is being ignored, but calling Obama and Clinton the names he has called them is wrong, puts politicians he is campaigning for in a bad spot and makes himself look like a fool. The man is a bit old for this teenage-type name-calling.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @JEFF WEBB. Rose has a way of not responding to us as she doesn’t know jack what she is talking about. I definitely note, Rosie girl, (can’t use word lady) that you didn’t respond to my comment when asking you. In one of her blow hard comments she said she wasn’t going to partake in comments with “ROSE ANY LONGER AS SHE WAS UNSTABLE”?? I asked her point blank. Who the ROSE was she was referring to who was unstable and nary a word back/ha. Jokes on the biker babe.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    Darn. Rosie demoted me from Babylon Whore to a Cow..boo hoo. Moo moo. She might want to re-read her comments if she really want to know the definition of spewing venom Right on Jeff Webb. Put the old biker bar babe/Rose’s hands to the fire and put her money were he fat mouth is and provide examples of racism that John Daly asked her to provide yesterday. I really think all of us should stop acknowledging this whacko, Rosie’s ignorant rants, name calling. We are only bringing ourselves down to her ignorant, stupid level when trying to reason with someone who is out on week end pass from the nut factory.

    • Jeff Webb

      >>I really think all of us should stop acknowledging this whacko, Rosie’s ignorant rants, name calling.<<

      Oh, but I find so many perks dealing with the unhinged left. Sometimes it serves as a reminder of what an unaware rube I was when I leaned left. Sometimes it gives me some satisfaction to frustrate their b.s efforts. Sometimes I just feel like toying with them.

      In any event, they at least deserve something for visiting hostile territory.

    • Anti-nugie

      Any farmer knows what a cow patty is and watches where he steps.

      • IndependentCuss

        I’m an old farm gal and I’ve stepped in a lot o cow patties in my day. Lol at the memories. Not a good thing for shoes and worse for bare feet.

  • Rose

    Well, I seem to have won this argument by having everyone from the profane Obama-hater Cow Patty to the pompous pontificator John Daly throwing in the towel. Moderators of this board might want to pay attention to the posts of Robert C. Who seems quite certain that Obama will receive “a wound to the head” within “the next 12 to 18 months” because with all the venom spewed here about Obama it concerns me that some unstable person might feel emboldened.

  • Rose

    Still waiting for comments from John Daly on Robert C. “Wound to the head” prediction. There are several possibilities:
    1. Robert C. Truly believes the Bible indicates that Obama will soon receive a wound to the head.
    2. Robert C. Is pulling our leg, just indulging in black humor.
    3. Robert C plans to attempt to assassinate the president.

    • Jeff Webb

      >>Still waiting for comments from John Daly<<

      While you're waiting patiently for John's comments, perhaps you'd provide those specific examples of racism John asked for yesterday.

      • Rose

        John is fond of demanding specifics from others while talking in generalities himself. No, I am interested in his views and those of other board members on Robert C. In fact, the FBI and Secret Service might want to talk with Robert C. The way they did with Ted Nugent.

        • Jeff Webb

          I’ve seen John provide links many times, even when he wasn’t called out on something. When have you demanded specifics from John only to be ignored?

          You’d think with so many racists on the right you could back up your accusation very easily. Are you being lazy, or do you think race-carding makes you look intellectual?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>When have you demanded specifics from John only to be ignored?

            Rose’s definition of me ignoring her is her sporadically throwing my name into a stand-alone comment, instead of actually replying to one of my comments, and expecting me to realize that she’s even trying to correspond with me until days later. Ugh.

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      Next time, try actually responding to one of my posts so I know you’re asking me a question. Randomly tossing my name out in a thread that has several hundred other comments is like shouting at a wall and expecting it to answer.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @JOHN DALY..Yes, “give it up.” I’ve given up trying to communicate with ROSIE THE LUNATIC. Her relatives must have given her a computer to use during her extend stay at the asylum :) I think the woman is LOONEY TUNES :)

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @JOHN DALY & JEFF WEBB. I think we are wasting our time responding to the LUNATIC ROSE’S ramblings. This woman is rowing with one oar. :) What the hell is this Biblical BS she has been coming up with in her left wing, ridiculous political remarks. This woman raves on accusing others of name calling. I say, “that she is calling the kettle black.” Her comments certainly not objective. Agree her liberal bubble has definitely deprived her of oxygen to what little brain she has! Patty aka The Whore of Babylon according to Rose :) :) ha. ha. p.s. I think her comment regarding her little “scientific experiment” was ignorant/ludicrous. Bottom line as I said before. She is Eva Braun, Hitler’s lover and short lived wife reincarnated. Mrs. dictator!

  • Rose

    Rose • a few seconds ago
    John Daly, I would be interested in your opinion of Robert C’s Biblical analysis of Obama being the Prince of Darkness and Biden being the Anti-Christ and his assurances that Obama rill receive a head wound within the next twelve to eighteen months. Should this be incorporated into the Tea Party or GOP platforms?

    • arizona jack

      In the words of former Vice President Spiro Agnew. you are “a platitudinarian spewing benign rhetoric in intense profusion. In other words Rose,you appear to talk a lot,but do not say much.

      • Rose

        Oh, I say enough to get Cow Patty and John Daly thoroughly rattled, but you seem confused. You and I agree on several things.

        • Jeff Webb

          I don’t recognize “proud vet.” What up with that?

          • Rose

            A glitch? I actually replied to proud vet.

          • Jeff Webb

            For a short while my screen showed your posts under pv’s name.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            It’s not a glitch. Rose has a habit of copying and pasting other people’s posts directly and submitting them under her own name. An Internet 101 course might come in handy.

          • Jeff Webb

            This wasn’t like that. The way it showed on my screen, PV WAS the poster. His name was at the top of the comment, when it should’ve said Rose. It apparently corrected itself moments later.

          • proud vet

            If you are implying that Rose was trolling,you are way off base. Nobody speaks for me,but me. The bottom line is if those Tea Party puppets in Congress had tried their sabotage of the government in any other country on earth,they would be tried for treason.

          • Jeff Webb

            PV, where the hell did that come from? Re-read my comment and let me know if you still don’t understand what it says.

    • Rose

      Seems John Daly is trying to distance himself from Robert C. By not commenting.

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        Seems to me John Daly has no idea you’re even trying to get his attention since you don’t bother to use the “Reply” feature to reply to his comments. Imagine my surprise when I come back to this thread days later to find that all you’ve been talking about is me. Hope you had fun shouting at a wall over the past two days.

    • arizona jack

      Rose I totally mis read what you said. My Bad. Deepest apologies.

      • Rose@aol.com

        I understand Arizona Jack. No problem. I think Daly is having my comments monitored now. Ha!

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Nope. As crazy as it sounds, Rose, the site auto-filters out comments laced with obscenities. Keep it clean and you won’t have a problem.

  • Rose

    Breaking News: Rand Paul says that the Tea Party must stop being so negative. He says TP’s must stop all the name-calling, negativity and just plain foolishness. Rand says the TP is self-defeating and many have loose lips that sink ships. He recommends inclusiveness, bringing in people of all races, colors, creeds and preferences. He recently chastised Ted Nugent for his crude and rude remarks. Seems he thinks all the inflammatory language like Abortion Barbie and Empty Dress to describe female candidates is not only sexist but a sure prescription for losing. He is interested in winning. Now, let’s all gather round and watch the right wing nut jobs eviserate him as a sell-out. Rand realizes that the Tea Party is a big old clumsy out-dated anchor dragging down the entire GOP.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @JOHN DAILY. I agree. I also give up/trying to understand as to what this nut case ROSE is ranting and raving about. John..When your are trying to reason understand with Eva Braun (Hitler’s mistress and short lived wife aka ROSE. I guess we need to throw in the towel. You know..YOU CAN LEAD THE HORSE TO WATER BUT YOU CAN’T MAKE IT DRINK.” I wonder if she listened to Obama admitting to his drug use in past (he says) and his lack of studying to better his education in his youth and college days. Fact/research from the get go confirmed Obama was a phony/liar. Wonder if that is why we couldn’t get copies of his grades/transcript while attending college? Guess he knows that his past is going to catch up with when he leaves office.

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      I honestly didn’t get half of what she said. Fox News hasn’t been reporting on the events in Ukraine? I must be imagining all of the Fox coverage I keep seeing on it.

      • Rose

        I did a little experiment. It is not scientific. I just channel surfed several times throughout the day yesterday looking for coverage on Ukraine. Lots on Morning Joe, saw nothing on Fox & Friends. CNN was covering it, Fox was on ObamaCare. Over and over other channels had Ukraine coverage, Fox was debasing Obama. Guess I just got unlucky and missed all that extensive coverage from Fox.

        • Rose

          John Daly, I would be interested in your opinion of Robert C’s Biblical analysis of Obama being the Prince of Darkness and Biden being the Anti-Christ and his assurances that Obama rill receive a head wound within the next twelve to eighteen months. Should this be incorporated into the Tea Party or GOP platforms?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Try actually replying to me instead of one of your own posts and I’ll know you’re asking me a question.

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          lol. So let me get this straight… Because Fox News wasn’t covering Ukraine at the precise moment you turned on Fox and Friends, you deducted that they’re were “ignoring” the story all together.

          Well that’s fantastic, Rose. Nicely done. You clearly have a hunger for pursuing the truth and stating cold, hard facts… only not.

          The critiques I see of Fox News by the lefties that visit this site always crack me.up, because they almost never reflect the truth. That’s what happens when you’re not actually familiar with what you’re commenting on, and instead rely on third-party, agenda-driven sources to feed your their perspective of the network.

          I assure you that Fox has spent a lot of time covering Ukraine. And if you don’t believe me, try watching the network for more than a couple of minutes.

          • Rose

            I found it interesting that I did not happen upon a Fox News story on Ukraine a single time when other channels were leading with the Ukraine story. Not once in jumping back and forth on Fox at various times of the day did I hit on a Fox Ukraine story. What are the odds? It was all Obama all the time.

        • Jeff Webb

          In the short time you’ve come here, you’ve called members of the TP Patriots “teabaggers,” called them and conservatives in general racists without providing examples, and claimed conservatives overall are extreme by pointing out a bare minority of them.
          If you actually think you’re objective, you’re either lying to yourself or your liberal bubble may have deprived your brain of oxygen.

          If you truly want to have a debate, Rose, tear up your little race card and quit acting like a child. If you’d rather don’t, that wouldn’t exactly be a shocker.

          • arizona jack

            Okay,then explain why you guys were hating on Obama,even before he won the nomination in ’08,and on the very day he was sworn in,before you even knew what he was going to do. Explain why that Hermann Goering lookalike Limbaugh was actually praying for him to fail. Never in all my years of following politics,have I ever heard of Americans hoping that their President would not succeed.Not even the Destroyer in Chief Bush got that treatment,early on,despite planning to get us into a war,even before he was elected.

          • Rose

            I agree Arizona Jack. Repubs never admit to racism or a lack of compassion or fiscal responsibility that somehow includes spending trillions on the two decades-long unfunded, unwind able and unnecessary wars.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Repubs never admit to racism or a lack of compassion<<

            If you're going to make such a serious accusation, the burden's on you to back it up.

          • arizona jack

            Sorry,but the burden is on you to prove you’re not. Everything the Tea Party says and does belies your objections. Not racist? Do not object to Obama because he does not look like what you think he should look like? Prove it! Because your Rhetoric says otherwise.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Sorry,but the burden is on you to prove you’re not.<>Not racist? Do not object to Obama because he does not look like what you think he should look like?<>Prove it! Because your Rhetoric says otherwise.<<

            Show of hands: who else finds it odd that PV uses the nickname "your Rhetoric" when referring to the voices in his head?

          • arizona Jack

            Rhetoric is a commonly used word for people with a vocabulary. What really saddens me,is every time right wing nut jobs get backed into a corner,they start acting like schoolyard bullies. “Oh yeahj?so’s your momma” you know the drill right? Problem with conservatives,is they always have to have an enemy. Without one,they have no agenda,and no argument. And,if one is not right in front of their tunnel visioned eyes,and narrow mind,they wikk pluck one out of thin air,and make up lies and outlandish conspiracy theories to try and justify it

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Rhetoric is a commonly used word for people with a vocabulary.<>What really saddens me,is every time right wing nut jobs get backed into a corner,they start acting like schoolyard bullies.<>Problem with conservatives,is they always have to have an enemy. Without one,they have no agenda,and no argument. And,if one is not right in
            front of their tunnel visioned eyes,and narrow mind,they wikk pluck one out of thin air,and make up lies and outlandish conspiracy theories to try and justify it<<

            Thank you for your little display of liberal projection. If you truly believe what you said, check this link (and you might want to have an intelligent person around, in case some of John's words are too advanced for you):

            http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/calling-for-a-straw-man-candidate-to-enter-the-presidential-race/

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Okay,then explain why you guys were hating on Obama,even before he won the nomination<>Explain why that Hermann Goering lookalike Limbaugh was actually praying for him to fail.<>Never in all my years of following politics,have I ever heard of Americans hoping that their President would not succeed. Not even the Destroyer in Chief Bush got that treatment,<<

            Oh, you've GOT to be kidding me.

          • arizona jack

            Just like the web site you offered,you explained nothing. What I refer to is the birther stuff….crap the Muslim stuff….crap The Communist stuff….crap You’re right Limbaugh does not look much like Goebbels.More to the point,he is a Joseph Goebbells wannabe,just like the hate mongers at Fox,and that refugee from the Waffen SS glenn beck. You know,if you only listen to people who tell you what you want to hear,and take council from only those who agree whti you,you learn nothing. Grayson is right as far as I am concerned. the Tea Party is nothing more than the KLOSET KLAN

          • Jeff Webb

            Wow, AJ.
            I seem to recall Consumer Reports has a toll-free number, in case you want to get word out how easy it was to wriggle your hands free from your straightjacket and use the computer.

          • Rose

            Well, if Peoria call themselves Tea Party Patriots and wear tri-corner hats with tea bags dangling from the sides, velveteen coats, breeches and hose and buckled shoes in the 21st century, they sort of set themselves up for ridicule. Ha!

          • Jeff Webb

            >>they sort of set themselves up for ridicule<<

            …by childish people who use vulgar language and make false accusations. Do you think crap like that makes you look like you're all about facts & logic?

          • Rose

            You know, it bothers me that Glenn Beck promised to go blind and then didn’t.

          • Jeff Webb

            Tolerant little tyke, aren’t you?

        • Jeff Webb

          Say, Rose, I just turned on the TV at 3pm. Can you guess what the top news story was on FNC’s Special Report w/Bret Baier?

          • Rose

            Obama once smoked a joint? Obama once blew off a test and made a C? Donald Trump has hired another detective to track down Obama’s birth certificate? Hillary personally hired a hit man to off Ambassador Stevens and Obama cheered? Obama promised us we would never get Sick and poor old Granny has the sniffles? Welfare Queen has twenty kids and drives a Caddy? Obama plans to give every black person an iPad? Elizabeth Hasselbeck passes out after thinking for a full five minutes without a break and Obama is to blame? Glenn Beck finally goes blind?

          • Jeff Webb

            So close–Ukraine, actually. Such strange guesses on your part, knowing what an unprejudiced, intellectually honest person you are.

            One of the headlines on the crawl was also interesting: “AMERICAN PHARMACIES EXPERIENCE EARPLUG AND BLINDFOLD SHORTAGE…WITNESSES REPORT FRANTIC LIBERALS BUYING OUT INVENTORY EN MASSE WHILE MUMBLING ‘MUST AVOID REPORTS ON FOX NEWS, MUST AVOID REPORTS ON FOX NEWS.'”

  • Rose

    Well, it seems that all those rumors about the lunatic fringe taking over the Republican Party have been validated as true tonight. It is sad and creepy and funny all at once. I think the Democrats will win by a landslide in 2016, with a lot of help from the people who post here. Rave on, Tea Baggers!

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      I give up. What are you talking about?

      • Rose

        John, this will come as a huge shock to you but Robert C and patty and Most other posters here are not exactly mainstream. My premise is that moderates, independents, Democrats and many Republicans see the Tea Party as grumpy, old, white, fundamentalist, sour grapes sore losers who get every idea from Rush or Fox News and specialize in hate and resentment. Even if the get some candidates elected, those candidates are just log jams in terms of growth and progress. The Tea Party has a very negative reputation among likely voters. You guys help, not hurt, Obama and Hillary.

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          So this big revelation that came about last night – the one that you said validated the “rumors” that the Republican Party had been taken over by a “lunatic fringe”, wasn’t about some news story, but rather your take on a couple of posters’ comments on this website?

          Forgive me for not piecing together what you were saying, especially since your post wasn’t in response to any of those posters you were referring to. You made it sound like there was big news out of Washington or something.

          • Rose

            Oh, John you know that big news out if Washington is just lies. I am just an ordinary citizen watching snippets of various news networks and noticing the differences in coverage.

  • Rose

    Bulletin: Robert C. Just went into a deep trance and received the revelation that a poster named Patti is the Whore of Babylon and that George Williams just broke the Seventh Seal releasing a plague of toads and locusts!

  • http://att.net/ patty

    You hit the nail on the head ROBERT C. Obama sold out Ambassador Stevens and the other brave Americans. Yes, just like he did Seal Team 6. Obama on the news AGAIN, and AGAIN, TODAY. Finally admitting to his past drug use/I think past.. His bad choices/his anger in his younger years and still trying to hide his anger! He finally admitted to the many accusations of his drug use and his poor grades while in school and college. The guy was a liar from the get go and still is.

    • Robert C

      @ Patty || The only thing scarier than when he lies and his minions eat it up; is when he “rarely” tells the truth.
      Has everyone forgotten about the 30 or so czars that he implemented in his first year. What do you think he has had them doing under his guidance? They answer to him and him alone.
      Or, that he declared that he intended to form a 200K national/federal police?
      His track record is clear. Bring as many citizens to financial distress as possible. Cause them to become dependent on the gov for their livelihood. Turn them against the wealthy.
      No one in America has caused more divide “on all levels” than B.O.
      Whether it is financial, racial, class, moral etc… DIVIDE & CONQUER!
      How do you like your insurance premiums / co-pay or your medicare co-pay? Medicare co-pay has doubled over night!
      How about when 100K troops get discharged and find they have no jobs to obtain?
      And why is it that the religious people believe that g-d gives us free will? But then try to take away that free will?
      Morality is a choice. To attempt to dictate it only causes more chaos.

      • Rose

        Robert C. How will you feel when Hillary is elected?

        • Robert C

          I don’t put a lot of stock into feelings, myself. I am more of a pragmatist. However, I can’t answer that question anyway, considering I have zero belief that it will ever happen. If things were to go as most people expect, I am reasonably sure she would win. But things are not at all likely to go the way most people expect.

    • proud vet

      Are you nuts? Obama did not sell out anyone. It was the Republican Congress that refused a request for more security funding for Benghazi who were the sell outs. Remarks like that prove two things. 1}Darwin was right,only in the case of teabaggers,evolution works in reverse. 2} There is no cure for STUPID!!!

      • Rose

        Bravo! Proud vet! Repubs love to pretend all servicemen and vets are right wingers. Not so!

  • Kiba

    Is what Ted said as bad as some of the things that someone like Alan Grayson says all of the time? And he is an elected official.

    • proud vet

      Nobody condoned what Grayson said,and a lot of Dems condemed it. Where was the Conservative outrage when that skinhead wannabe flew a Confederate flag at the White House,and insulted everyone who ever wore a military uniform,by raising that symbol of hate to the same level as the noble Marine Corps banner?

      • Kiba

        Are you kidding me? The skin head was a liberal plant. Geesh…..some people.

  • Kiba

    Wow Ted, you almost sounded as bad as Harry Reid does every time he opens his mouth. And in my opinion here is how it works, Democrats say the most outrageous things on a daily basis and the republicans just say “Oh wow just think what would happen if we said something like that!” well perhaps it is time to fight-back for once and say “something like that”. When people constantly hear bad things like what the Dems/libs/progs say daily about conservatives and it goes unchallenged a certain percentage of people start to believe it so why not fight fire with fire? I think if the conservatives give the libs a taste of their own meds maybe it just might slow down a bit, one thing is for certain and that is the pacifist ‘don’t stoop to their low’ tactic isn’t working. People think the Repubs are cowards, and no one wants to vote for a bunch of cowards that wont fight back.

    • BobInTennessee

      Right, that’s exactly why the Republicans lost the last two general elections . ..

      • Rose

        The Republicans will lose the next two presidential elections, too. I am a Biblical Prognosticator of the future, and it clearly states in at least twenty places that Hillary Clinton will be the next president of the USA.

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Thank you Miss Cleo.

    • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

      You are correct about the base being tired of candidates who will not fight back. Bur the problem is that when the kinds of things are uttered that Nugent said, every liberal “newsman” picks it up and adds his own commentary. When liberals say similar things, it is basically ignored by liberal news outlets. And because so few people pay attention to what is really going on and they keep hearing over and over what Nugent said, it paints a pretty bad picture. And of course the liberal politicians capitalize on it. The problem is that Republican candidates do not capitalize on comments made by the likes of Reid and that other clown who said all those vile things about Palin and Ingram.

  • Robert C

    I counted over 28 biblical prophecies pointing to BO as the Prince of Darkness and Joe B. as the Anti-Semetic / Anti-Christ before I stopped counting. It is interesting that those who do not believe the bible has any validity; are the very ones fulfilling those same prophecies!
    Prepare for the 7 years of tribulation. They are just around the corner.
    Israelites have it right !!!

    • Brian Fr Langley

      Happily (or Unhappily) Robert you may be right. But it’s more likely that you’re wrong. Biblical prophecy was not necessarily intended to warn of future events, but more to show the unmistakable hand of God in past events.

      • Robert C

        You are welcome to look them up sir. I am not a religious person. I am a bible scholar who looks at our present through the lens “perception” of the Israelites.
        I have been proven right vastly more times than I have erred.
        The head wound is not far into our future. Even though I would gladly stop that event if I knew how.
        Biden will the helm at that time and it will not be pretty for jews, Christians nor conservatives.
        The Secretary of the Navy will be killed. All “SHTF” will break out that same day.
        Both of these events will likely take place within 12 months and most assuredly within 18 mos.

        • Rose

          And where will you be, Robert C., during these dramatic and perilous times?

          • Rose

            Doesn’t the Bible say that fortune tellers and soothsayers are an abomination to God and that they should burn their mattresses and gouge out their own eyes or be forever damned?

          • Robert C

            So you are basically saying that you admit there are fortune tellers and soothsayers but discount any evidence of Seers and Prophets? That is your choice. You are free to hold that point of view; even if it means you take it into eternity with you.

          • Robert C

            I will be right here most likely. I have already traveled to 28 states trying to wake up those who would listen. I have been to the BBC and gave them quite a lot to think about.

    • Rose

      Gee, people have been identifying Satan and the Anti-Christ for hundreds of years. The list of people is long and varied from Hitler to Prince Charles, Elvis Presley to George W., Martin Luther King to Osama Bin Laden. Robert C, I think you are nuttier than two dozen fruit cakes. And I have no doubt you lean way, way, way to the right. All the Bible Bozos do.

      • Robert C

        Actually I believe firmly in live and let live. I believe that everyone will choose their destiny in one way or another. To each their own.
        The fact that most do not know how to establish where we are in prophecy, or that other misguided souls missed the true guidelines in the past are not substantial reasoning to deny what time it is.
        Many can’t tell time. That doesn’t mean no one can.
        Actually, I am convinced that both parties are going to extremes. And neither are correct.
        The wealthy “in general” are as guilty as anyone for the condition of America. However it doesn’t help that we have a large portion of our population that think sober is too not be under the influence in the last 12 hours.
        Sober minds make sober decisions. Drunkeness and drug altered minds DO NOT.

    • Rose

      BO, the darling Portuguese water spaniel, is the Prince of Darkness? I knew Satan took many forms but this is ridiculous.

      • Robert C

        Lucifer & Satan are not the same thin. To teach they are the same is erroneous. Lucifer translates to English as Lure with Lies. Satan is the Sadducees and Pharisees who taught in the “temples” and yet thought they did not need the messiah or his teachings.

  • James Neugent

    Ted was wrong in calling Obama a “subhuman mongrel”. The rest was right on the mark.To circumvent the Constitution and use federal enforcement agencies to harass political opponents is tantamount to gangster activity, least in my book.Besides,he’s not running for office.

    • Robert C

      I actually think Ted expressed his honest opinion an I for one am glad someone is being honest. It is refreshing to see someone in the public arena who doesn’t give a hoot about being P.C. and spineless. Besides, he could have called him a whole lot worse.

      • Rose

        Robert C., it will all be over soon, so don’t worry. After watching the demise of the world as we know it, you will put on your purple shroud and brand new Nikes and join other true believers on the tail of A comet, soaring through space for all eternity. And don’t forget your tin foil hat to protect what passes for your brain from meteors.

        • Rose

          And be honest, Robert C., haven’t you suffered a few head wounds yourself? Just saying…

          • Robert C

            Have a blessed “rest of your life”.

  • Rose

    Well, this has not been a sterling week for the GOP, especially the Tea Party wing. Ted is forced to apologize and even says he will no longer call the president names. The WSJ says it is unlikely the GOP has any viable alternative plan to improve/replace ObamaCare. And a host of stars, including Will Farrell, suggest that everyone should Get Covered. Finally Darrell Issa foams at the mouth over Benghazi while he and other GOP types and Fox News ignore the events in Ukraine. Way to go Tea Party!

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      NO! NOT WILL FARRELL! The GOP is screwed!!!

      Thanks for the laugh, Rose. This post really made my day.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @GEORGE WILLIAM..I loved your great comment to ROSE asking her what kind of stupid pills is she taking? :) Great! Yes, far more debilitating than the pharmaceutical pain killers. :) Your so right, George. No one in the Obama administration is held accountable. They like to play the “blame” game card. I think all have “selective memories.” I have great sympathy for those who lost their loved one in Benghazi. Obama and Hillary swore to them, our country “they would find the people who were responsible.” AND after over a year, the victims who lost loved ones are interviewed on television saying the Obama clan has NOT kept any of their promises… NADA/NADA/NADA. @JEFF WEBB..Keep on putting the screws to the likes of Legal Eagle. You hit the nail on the head with your response to Benghazi. @JOHN DAILY. You and Webb are right. Benghazi..THEY JUST DIDN’T GIVE A DAMN.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @ROSIE..That’s calling the “kettle black.” Patty has a potty mouth? What do you call yourself when suggesting I sniff Rush Limbaugh in his private parts! :) Also referring to him not having any lead in his pencil? Ludicrous. So you would never use physical violence? Of course not.. Your big mouth is your weapon! Ludicrous statement coming from you/ Vile/UN AMERICAN? Don’t you see that your comments are (to quote you) Vile/UnAmerican with your judgmental, know it all comments about Rush Limbaugh and others who become addicted because of horrific pain is nothing less than pure evil. Not to forget your nasty comment about the NASCAR participants!! I bet they won’t forget/ha. AND another again, not to forget to mention your ranting about Limbaugh’s weight/morbidly obese. Yes, you really stick to the political discussions you pride yourself on :) :) “I’d say, foot in mouth disease.” In one of your most recent comments to “George” you stated you intend to IGNORE “ROSE” FROM NOW ON AS “ROSE” APPEARS TO BE UNSTABLE! Who is this Rose you are going to ignore? Oh, I know, YOU looked in the mirror!! So far, you haven’t outmatched (your arrogance beyond belief) “anyone” with your left wing dribble and other uneducated, ignorant judgmental opinions. Notably, George Willams. You mess with the bull and you get the horn. And he has stuck you a number of times..YOU GO GEORGE! I’ll buy your idea/suggestion to see each other when reporting to Bernie.. Get in your medicine cabinet and take a Valium. Should help relieve some of the pain from shooting yourself in the foot :) :) :) I’m tired of playing in the sand pile with your kind. I can’t believe I have brought myself down to your level as long as I have. Good Bye, Bon Voyage. @mcveen. ah, come on. Rosie throws it against the wall to see what will stick and I am just having fun with her doing same!

  • Rose

    I wondered when there would be a threat from a right wing nut to do me bodily harm or perhaps wish/incite someone else to track me down and beat/torture/kill me. They always come eventually. Seems the threat this time is from Patty and I will report it to Bernie and the moderators of this site. I suppose that is what some people do when they are clearly outmatched. I would never wish physical violence on anyone else. It is the most vilely unAmerican thing anyone can do in any type of discussion. I will not respond to her feeble comments anymore. I will let her shoot herself in the foot and dig her own grave rhetorically speaking.

    • BobInTennessee

      Get a life and get out of your basement and get some fresh air ….

      • BobInTennessee

        Also, don’t forget to report yourself while you’re at it …

        • Rose

          Oh, she came riding into town to find the man what kilt her daddy…Cow Patty…she and Georgie worship Rush, the OxyContin Fatty…Cow Patty. Ole Bunker Bob in Tennessee has her sittin on his knee…Cow Patty. LOL

  • Rose

    Wow, Patty has a potty mouth! But she is relentless in her defense of the drug-addled Limbaugh. OxyContin addicts usually move on to heroin. Addiction is a terrible thing all right and affects the mind, body and soul. But addiction is not his only problem. He is grossly over-weight, many would say morbidly obese. I suppose he could claim and addiction to food to gain more sympathy from Ditto Heads with similar issues. And the family values proponent is on his third wife and has no kids that he admits to. No lead in his pencil or an aversion to children?

    • Rose

      Amazing that someone who has no sympathy for the poor with addictions will staunchly defend the wealthy Rush and his many addictions and flaws. I know one thing. Addiction to OxyContin is often replaced by heroin addiction as we saw with Philip Seymour Hoffman. Both are extremely hard to beat. Heroin addicts, from what I have read, are often quite thin, but not always. I would never wish addiction on anyone and hope that Limbaugh does not relapse as Hoffman did, but it will be a struggle for him to stay sober. It is just so ironic that the proponents of so-called religious and family values hold up Limbaugh as a idol. Talk about feet of clay! I would not listen for pearls of wisdom from someone who cannot control his personal life or adhere to his own values when it came to character, morals or conduct. Nor would I stake my reputation on an opiate addict staying sober.

      • Jeff Webb

        >>Amazing that someone who has no sympathy for the poor with addictions will staunchly defend the wealthy Rush and his many addictions and flaws.<>I would never wish addiction on anyone and hope that Limbaugh does not relapse as Hoffman did, but it will be a struggle for him to stay sober.<>I would not listen for pearls of wisdom from someone who cannot control his personal life or adhere to his own values when it came to character, morals or conduct.<<

        Then you will never listen to anyone, because there is no such thing as a perfect person, and because some of the very best sources of wisdom are people who have been there and done that.

        You have no idea just how intolerant and hypocritical you are. Rush hasn't abused Oxy since he got treatment 10 years ago, which is consistent with his own values, yet you condemn him. Meanwhile, you're quick to defend a guy who's spent much of his presidency violating his own values.

        I'd remind you that Rush was the one who felt the real consequences of his failure to adhere to his values. When Obama fails to adhere, millions of people have to deal with the consequences, and then get crap from the likes of you when they object.

      • George Williams

        Tell us, Rose, what kind of “stupid” pills are you taking? They appear to be far more debilitating than pain killing pharmaceuticals.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @ROSE. Since you announced you a book smart Lib (ha) Please send me the book that refers to “biker babes” as Conservatives. Grabbing at straws lady. (I use the word loosely). Sometimes when one can’t get the attention of another person, they have to bring themselves down to their level of intellect. So “take the cob out of your you know what and stuff it in your ridiculous mouth or when I yell s..t, you can come sliding in. Better watch your mouth/those NASCAR FREAKS as you call them may look you up/hopefully. Hopefully you or your children or grandchildren (if you have them) don’t ever suffer the horrific body pain that Limbaugh did and out of desperation became addicted to pain medication. Shame on you. I doubt you go to church, but if you do, I doubt they call on you to comfort those who need support, comfort and encourage those with their pain addictions.

    • mcveen

      Wow Patty, that’s freaky. (Please let the meds chill just a little next time babe).

      • Rose

        I have clearly touched a nerve with Patty. Notice that her relies and comments focus mostly on me and not on any political topic or belief system. She seems to operate on emotion and anger fueled by talk radio and Fox News.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    Dear Rose the Lib. Does that satisfy your request?

  • Rose

    So the latest right wing meltdown is directed toward none other than comedian Will Ferrell. It seems the Anchor Man star committed a terrible offense on Twitter and/or Facebook. He posted his picture with a sign saying Get Covered. Oh, the wailing, moaning and gnashing of right wing dentures! Ferrell betrayed them as fans by vaguely endorsing ObamaCare. Threats to boycott, curses, hateful diatribes, followed from right wingers who just love free speech so much. LOL these NASCAR freaks thought the star of that Ricky Bobby movie must be one of them. Well, not quite and their beer bellies are pierced with grief. I can just feel the bunkers exploding in fury and the triple wides shaking off their cinder blocks.

    • Integrity

      I know a lot of people that like NASCAR, including myself. Based upon the dribble you have posted to this site, most NASCAR fans are a lot smarter than you are. Still wondering why you felt the need to lie. QED

      • Integrity

        and yes, I intended to use dribble. QED

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @ROSIE, ROSIE..Your comment regarding what I could do to Limbaugh was disgusting, vulgar, trailer trash talk. Which leads me to believe and suggest you should get gussied up and head out to your hang out/ Bikers and Babes Bar where you have your very own bar stool with ROSIE carved on the back. Put on your jeweled flip flops, your lycra shorts, midriff top, sun tan pan cake make up, jet black mascara, bright red lipstick and sparkles on your eye lids. Don’t forget to tell the boys your Rush Limbaugh suggestion to me..I’m sure bike Bob, Joe, John, etc. would get a laugh. So Obama gave the order to get Bin Laden..WHERE WAS YOUR OBAMA’S ORDER TO SEND SUPPORT TO AMBASSADOR STEVENS AND THE FOUR AMERICAN HEROS WHO LOST THEIR LIVES IN BENGHAZI? Support the Ambassador requested/just short of begged for a couple months prior to the attack and was ignored!

    • Rose

      Biker babes are right wingers, Patty. Ha! Liberals prefer books to bikes. My comment was meant to make you screech in all caps, and it worked. Have Rush loan you some of his OxyContin to ease your pain.

      • Integrity

        I initially thought you were just ignorant and arrogant, but now I am beginning to think you simply are not a nice person. QED

    • George Williams

      As Michelle Malkin would say, all we hear as a response from Rose is…..crickets.

      • Rose

        Try to keep up, George. No crickets here. I will ignore Rose from now on. She appears unstable. I have posted my views on Nugent’s apology tour, the Will Farrell dust up and Rush Limbaugh’s addiction problems. I am not too familiar with Malkin and clearly not a fan of hers. There are more far right wing talking nuts Out there, but people like me are not addicted to their propaganda. They help our side and have a terrible track record where Obama is concerned. Their birther hysteria went nowhere. There anti-Obama rants did not keep him from being re-elected. We the People do not like them.

        • George Williams

          That’s “their”, not “there”. Is that how you wrote in your thesis? And consider how the press has ignored the facts surrounding Obama’s presidency, the birther issues will only persist, and perhaps they will be vindicated. If so, the laugh will be on the fools who put him in office and on the press and others who only kept silent because they were intimidated.

          • Rose

            Poor George. He just can’t let go of a bone, even one as thoroughly gnawed as the birther movement silliness. Now how did it go? Oh, yes, a giant conspiracy theory involving the country of Kenya, the states of Hawaii and Illinois, various family members and friends, at least a dozen schools and universities, various government agencies and officials, at least a half century in time, hospitals, doctors, etc. … All came together in one gigantic crescendo of cloak and dagger activity to make Barack Obama the president of the US. Pitching in to help were a leprechaun, a voodoo queen, the King of Cups, PeeWee Herman and the Amazing Creskin. Just how long have you been in the Loony Bin, George? We the People did not buy your ridiculous yarn.

    • legal eagle

      and if Ambassador Stevens had “begged” for more security why do you think it wasn’t provided? Did the State Department hate Chris Stevens? Was there a credible threat in Benghazi, rather than Tripoli?

      • Jeff Webb

        >>and if Ambassador Stevens had “begged” for more security why do you think it wasn’t provided?<>Did the State Department hate Chris Stevens?<<

        No. Like you, they just didn't give a damn.

        • legal eagle

          “The Stalker” aka Jeff Webb just can’t help his obsession with Legal Eagle…

          • Jeff Webb

            >>”The Stalker” aka Jeff Webb just can’t help his obsession with Legal Eagle…<<

            Translation: "waaaaah, someone's calling out my B.S.!"

          • legal eagle

            Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is characterized by unreasonable thoughts and fears (obsessions) that lead you to do repetitive behaviors (compulsions). It’s also possible to have only obsessions or only compulsions and still have OCD.

            With OCD, you may or may not realize that your obsessions aren’t reasonable, and you may try to ignore them or stop them. But that only increases your distress and anxiety. Ultimately, you feel driven to perform compulsive acts in an effort to ease your stressful feelings.

            Jeff….talk to your Doctor about this…There is medication available for you….Do it for your family..

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is characterized by unreasonable thoughts and fears (obsessions) that lead you to do repetitive behaviors (compulsions).<<

            That could explain your regular habit of insulting people with the same boring talking points, the habit you find pretty tiresome now that you've been on the receiving end of it. The real explanation is you're mostly too lazy and immature to do any better.

            What I've been doing is something you liberals dread: treating you the same way you treat others. If you don't like it, you could certainly whine some more, you could leave, or you could quit posting like a petty little jerk.

          • legal eagle

            Good to see the firm of Daly and Webb is still in business…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Thanks. Good to see the team of Legal Eagle and Jay Carney are still working an tandem.

          • Kevin Hubble

            Legal Eagle – Do you have a single original thought? Do you have all of these little things written down on little Dora The Explorer note cards that you keep inside of your Spider Man desk and you just re-copy them over and over onto this board? Your OCD screed shows who really has it and must be your favorite one you like to copy right after you’ve been fed and burped. When you’re cranky from a poopy diaper there’s no telling what you might say and you usually need a translator when you try to post when you don’t work off one of your cards. Maybe you can get one of the teachers in the Day Care to change you more often and help you with some of the rest. Maybe some Ritalin.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            lol. I love it. Legal Eagle obsessively comes here every day looking for attention, and when he gets it, he screams “Stalker!” Too much.

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          >>No. Like you, they just didn’t give a damn.

          That sure sums it up.

          • Robert C

            It was planned and intentional. If you track an animal in the wild, you follow the signs and prints left behind. If you follow B.O. since he first began running for office; you will begin to see the true nature of the “beast”.

      • George Williams

        Sure, everyone knows that those terrorist set their boundaries and never go beyond them. If the threat was in St. Louis the FBI would abandon East St. Louis as safe as a baby’s cradle. Keep rationalizing and defending Obama and Hillary, but they remember the scathing criticisms that resulted from the bi-partisan? Forgotten already, have we? They found that the government was negligent, though they refused to accuse anyone of wrong doing. Then only reason they didn’t point fingers is because the obvious guilty party was Hillary and they avoided goring their ox. No one in the Obama administration is held accountable for anything.

        • Robert C

          Please read my post left just minutes ago. As close as you are to the facts; it was more calculating than that.

      • Rose

        The Left is trying to use the deaths in Benghazi as a stick to beat Hillary with. It will be no more successful than their birther movement. The four were not the first Americans to die at embassies and probably won’t be the last. Diplomatic posts in places like Libya are extremely dangerous and Stevens knew the risks. The movie argon shows just how quickly violence can erupt in volatile places. It is also true that Benghazi was a CIA outpost in Libya, and we all know CIA activities are clandestine.

        • Jeff Webb

          >>The four were not the first Americans to die at embassies and probably won’t be the last.<<

          They were the first whose murders were falsely and repeatedly blamed on a video by the president & sec'y of state.

      • Robert C

        Because BO traded Ambassador Stevens to the Taliban (all such radical groups) in exchange for “something”. Just as he sold out Seal Team 6 members to make up for taking out Bin Laden.

        • legal eagle

          The stupidity never ends…

  • Rose

    Happened to see a very subdued and borderline polite and hatless Ted Nugent get ripped a couple of new ones by Erin Burnett the other night. Seems Ted’s wife and daughter did not like his remarks about the president. Go figure. He did not enjoy the feedback and doubtlessly some of his Republican idols told him to tone it down. After all, it may cause racists and ditto heads to salivate with glee, but it hurts the Republican cause overall.

    • mcveen

      Agree with you 100%. Wish Ted would switch parties!

      • Rose

        Hello, McVeen. I am a democrat who often voted Republican, especially at the national level. I voted for George W. Twice. However, I switched to Obama because of the far right wing rhetoric about crazy issues like the birther movement and the flaunting of the racist element and their tone deafness in regard to women’s issues. I also came to regret my Bush votes because of the wars he started in Iraq and Afghanistan. I am not alone. People like Nugent helped put Obama in office.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    Keep up the good work George Williams. I hope you will do me the honor of letting me be on your team:):) I like your intellect!

    • George Williams

      Thanks, Patty.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    So you are an expert on what is questionable? How about you are what is known as a “right fighter.” or YOUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY OR MAYBE A BLOW HARD KNOW IT ALL! Obvious don’t participate in agreeing to disagree and only name calling is the extent of your intellect.

    • Rose

      Patty, you might try addressing the person to whom you are speaking unless you are just ranting and raving at the at the universe.

      • George Williams

        Rose is confused by the echoes of her own words. That’s you, doofus, doofus. LOL.

    • Rose

      Calm down, Patty. You must be in withdrawal now that George is hibernating and resting his vast intellect. Just simmer down. It is only politics. The world will go in turning even if Ricky Bobby supports Obama and you left to watch Clint Eastwood argue with his sofa.

      • George Williams

        I hibernate while you open your bilious drooling mouth, spouting unfounded allegations and other nonsense. I could skip listening to you and do re-runs of Jay Carney and Obama’s lie masters.

        • mcveen

          Yes George, I think you have it. Democrat/liberals will just repeat the same old socialist takeover failures until they die.

      • mcveen

        Good lawd, you girls gittin’ up in here right. Yo precious baby!

  • Kevin Hubble

    I think you are absolutely right about how Ted Nugent should be condemned for what he said about the president. It was disgusting and gross and shouldn’t be tolerated. Neither should the equally disgusting and gross comments that have come from those who represent Democrats/Liberals. In that regard, everyone’s about equal or has the capability to be as base as they’re willing to go. My problem is with the media and the representatives of the individual parties. Essentially, the American people are idiots and sheep and believe whatever they are told (re: witness their willingness to purchase items from infomercials, etc.) When Ted Nugent calls the president a “sub-human mongrel” the democrats and liberals will spin that to mean that ALL republicans and conservatives are dangerous racists looking to repeal all civil rights legislation, to assassinate the president and lynch blacks. Now, when Alec Baldwin or others says something stupid they also should be condemned . When liberals say that republicans support budget cuts only because they want to see children go hungry and old people freeze in un-heated nursing homes and the only solution is to confiscate even more of the wealth of the American people (“fair share”). When THAT happens, NOBODY will say that Alec Baldwin et, al represents all democrats in believing that white republicans are bigots and racists and should be condemned. Rather, they are praised for their compassion. Quite a double standard.

    • legal eagle

      What’s wrong with infomercials? I know many people who buy infomercial products and they are hardly stupid…

      • Kevin Hubble

        I’m not talking about the people who buy ceramic knives, cookware, etc. I’m talking about the people who buy timeshares without visiting, and the ones that buy diet products from people who tell them they don’t have to exercise, and investments that can’t possibly fail, etc. Plus, I think you’re missing my larger point.

        • legal eagle

          Your larger point contains numerous generalities regarding political talking points ie.
          ” When liberals say that republicans support budget cuts only because they want to see children go hungry and old people freeze in un-heated nursing homes and the only solution is to confiscate even more of the wealth of the American people.”
          When “liberals say” means what or who?

          • Kevin Hubble

            Do you own a television? Subscribe to any newspapers? When you ask what “liberals say” Have you ever listened to Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid? Legal Eagle, Republicans want you and everyone else to keep more of your own money so that if you are able, you can take care of yourself and those you love. If that is the case, Republicans want to leave you alone and we only ask that you leave us and our wallets alone so that we too, can live in peace. We understand that a certain amount of money is necessary to fund the essential functions of the government and care for those who need our help, yet do not believe that mud snail sexual research and tunnels built to facilitate the migration of turtles beneath roadways to be essential to our national life. We do believe that it is an essential function of the government to take sufficient funds to insure that the Russian army remain in Russia, the Chinese army remain in China, illegal Mexican invaders be repelled and returned to their country and that Muslim attackers be dispatched to the sweet succor of the bosoms of the virgins that await their arrival without having shed a drop of American blood. That’s what Republicans want! Anything objectionable or over generalized about that?

          • legal eagle

            Sounds to me like you’ve bought the Republican B.S. hook, line and sinker..,.. You are just spouting RNC talking points…The only ones that Republicans care about paying less taxes are their corporate contributors.
            Maybe you should consider the fact that Wal Mart employees receive two billion dollars a year in government assistance due to their low wages.

          • George Williams

            Let’s list the Democratic talking points.

            1. Republicans are evil. They’d throw their own mothers under the bus. {Patently outrageous and obvious demagoguery}

            2. We’ve got to raise taxes so that we can pay for the poverty of others who’ve dropped out of schools and made poor choices in life. {Despite the fact that all the poverty programs since Johnson have been failures.}

            3. Republicans are misogynists and hate babies. {Despite the fact that this is all made up for political purposes}

            4. It’s imperative that we establish make work projects and tax the rich to pay for them. {We’re broke and there’s not enough milk in the cow to quench the thirst of their ambitions}

            5. We’ve got to have more “Headstart” programs. {Despite the fact that studies have shown them to be failures and that the nation would have to borrow from the Chinese and raise the National Debt to do so.}

            6. Man made global warming is an incontestable fact and anyone who argues otherwise should be ostracized. {In spite of the fact that there’s no empirical evidence to prove their ever changing mathematical models}

            7. We’ve got to reduce our armed forces and increase welfare spending. {In spite of the Chinese navy’s record of expansion and it’s encroachment of established international waters and impending threat to the sea lanes, and in spite of the 2 million man increase in its army and air force technology, all of which threaten our friend in the region. And in spite of Russia’s bellicosity, invasion of the Georgia and likely threat to Ukraine, and Putin’s ambitions to reconstitute the old Soviet Union.}

            The CBO has estimated that unemployment will increase with the advent of an increase in minimum wage. Some people will gain a little money but others won’t be earning anything at all. The rule of economics is that if something costs more you get less of it, and that includes employment. And since few people, even Wal Mart employees currently earn the minimum wage, the only people that it will effect are the young unskilled workers, most of whom live with their parents and work part time after school. Their starting wages will be too high for many small employers who have small profit margins and will either fire an employee or go out of business. And raising the minimum wage is not likely to change the the assistance status of workers with families who are currently on assistance. That’s a pathetic argument. The amount we’re talking about will still leave them collecting EITC, food stamps and WIC payments. Only fools like Democrats would add what amounts to a new tax on employers when we have what amounts to a double digit unemployment rate. Obama’s proposal is just more political demagoguery to make the Republicans who would oppose it look bad by posing them as evil men who do the vicious capitalists bidding. It must be uncomfortable to have Obama’s had up your posterior, but I guess that’s easier than thinking for yourself.

          • Kevin Hubble

            I guess you realize that if Wal-Mart employees believe that their wages are too low that they are free to go and sell their labor to another company which pays wages sufficient to allow them to come off of government assistance. They can go get another job! If by “legal eagle” that means you are an attorney let me ask you this: If you support a minimum wage, would you also support a maximum wage? And, are you attorneys really worth more than nurses or firemen who save lives? If you’re in a car wreck, who do you want to show up, a paramedic, nurse, fireman, or lawyer? Be honest, now! Are the happy smiles who have their faces on highway billboards or advertise “If you’ve been in a car wreck, call Bob the lawyer!” really worth $100.00 an hour? Should he get paid that much only because he has a lot of student loans he needs to pay back? Should it really cost $500.00 for a piece of paper that says: “When I die I want to give everything I own to my wife.” If the minimum wage goes to $15.00 an hour do you believe we should also set a maximum wage at maybe $30.00 an hour including for doctors, lawyers, airplane pilots, professional athletes, etc. Everyone! Even Presidents and Congressmen!? After all the president wants to spread the wealth around because its good for everyone. And what are you going to do with all of those new unskilled, unemployed kids that no one is going to hire if they have to pay $15.00 an hour? To answer your question, I am in favor of a “minimum” wage being whatever a prospective employer and a prospective employee agree upon is a fair market value based on the work to be done according to the skill and expertise required to accomplish that work taking into account market factors. If someone is willing to accept a job for $5.15 an hour, who am I to stop them? What business is that of mine? Let me know once you work this out.

          • legal eagle

            Not a problem….You’d feel right at home if you were back in the 1920’s….God bless Herbert Hoover…

          • Jeff Webb

            You’d love to be back in the good old days, when you bitter old white left wing cultists didn’t have to worry about your propagandists being refuted. Take your meds.

          • legal eagle

            My stalker, Jeff Webb, reawakens from his nap…..I was getting concerned….LOL

          • Jeff Webb

            >>My stalker, Jeff Webb, reawakens from his nap…..I was getting concerned….LOL<<

            YOU were concerned? Imagine how it looked when you went more than 5 minutes without posting a reference to the past. Now hurry up and pull the race card on someone before people really start to worry!

          • legal eagle

            Should it really cost $500.00 for a piece of paper that says: “When I die I want to give everything I own to my wife.”
            It costs nothing to create a will… Might want to get the signature notarized ….

          • legal eagle

            Everything you’ve written is a vague generality. Have any idea how the budgetary process works? Have deficits gone down under Republican Presidents?

          • Kevin Hubble

            As a percentage of GNP, yes! (That’s Gross National Product). That’s the sum total of the value of everything created in this country but, it would take too long to explain that to a liberal so, I’ll just stop there.

          • George Williams

            One need only listen to the Democratic political ads before elections to hear the lies that that party promulgates and how despicable their leaders are in misleading the people as to the character of the Republican Party. Democrats by way of what the say and in their fiscal acts, show us that their only message is taxing from one part of society to given to another. They are virtually bankrupt of any honest adherence to economically sound policies and practices that would reduce the necessity to do otherwise.

          • mcveen

            Good God beagle, that post amounted to a little convoluted turd unworthy of even you. If that is the best your generous mind can produce, please find another site for defecating!

        • Rose

          What about people who believed Mitt Romney was going to win by a landslide because Karl Rove told them so on Fox News?

          • George Williams

            What about the people who believed Obama when he told people that they could keep their doctor and insurance plan? It was an unabashed, proven to be calculated lie told to 300 million people. I suspect that that will go into the Guinness World Book of Records for an all time lie for a president, or anybody, for that matter. That lie will be remembered long after Rove is dead and buried, but Obama’s lie will be as good as set in stone for time immemorial. He’s in good company with Hitler and his disclaimer that he had no designs on Europe or when he told Stalin he had no interest in interfering in Soviet affairs. Obama is undoubtedly the most notorious liar of this age, Rove, not so much. LOL!

      • mcveen

        I bet you do know plenty of ‘em among the ‘jelly set’. I would also bet that you and your crowd know the exact location of every gov’t facility within 100 miles of your crib. Those that work everyday (my crowd) don’t have time for TV drivel and gov’t hangouts.

    • Rose

      I know that all Republicans are not racists or raving maniacs. But the Tea Party definitely has its share of both. Nugent makes a living catering to those ideas. His speech is threatening and inflammatory and many think he hopes to incite some yahoo to attempt an assassination by spreading fear and stirring up hatred.

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        >>I know that all Republicans are not racists or raving maniacs. But the Tea Party definitely has its share of both.

        And that would be based on what evidence?

        • Rose

          See many posts on this forum and other right wing ones and hear the remarks made by RWNJ talk radio creeps. It is plain as day.

          • Kevin Hubble

            Although they may not all be on the radio, could you be talking about “creeps” like Alec Baldwin, Bill Maher, Roseanne Barr, Jane Fonda, Samuel L. Jackson, on and on and on. Are these the “creeps” you’re talking about?

          • George Williams

            Really? That would require you to slander the Tea Party based upon your unfounded assumption that certain few individuals actually represent the majority of the Tea Party. You are a liar, as you make such assumptions on wishful thinking, rather than objective evidence.

          • George Williams

            Do they have “Handicapped” signs for mouths, because you could use one.

          • mcveen

            So ? All of us don’t live on the NBC plantation. You gotta problem wi’ dat?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Can you provide me with some actual examples? Give me a link to these racist posts and comments you’re referring to.

          • George Williams

            They use their dog whistle detectors to discover facts not in evidence.

      • mcveen

        Don’t think so but yes, It could happen

      • BobInTennessee

        What an idiot you are rose; incite someone to assassinate, bs is all i can say! And the Tea Party has it’s share of both? speak to the liberal side to if you must speak!

    • mcveen

      Hey, I did not find anywhere that Ted called Obama a monkey. So let’s stop this racist innuendo. Ted Nugent is a proud & true American.

  • firststater

    As for coverage of these despicable statements by Nugent both the liberal and conservative media are due for criticism, both for covering it, the former for exploiting it for political purposes, the latter for ignoring it

    • legal eagle

      The “media” covers lots of things, some important, many trivial…The only reason Nugent’s comments were newsworthy is because he was asked to campaign for a political candidate in a large state.

  • Mike

    I think Mr Nugent and Rose are results of not being out amongst Americans that try to look at both sides and then make rational decisions. They both need to step back, calm down and take a breath. Emotion can release irrational behaviour. We’ve all been there.

    • Rose

      I deal in reason and facts. I have opinions and preferences and express them. I don’t consider any politician a savior or a villain. I recognize racism, unbridled hatreds, sore losers when I see them. I do not expect things to be perfect, but I am a positive person and not a paranoid chicken little. I don’t view government as an arch-enemy or a gift from God. I don’t live in a bunker and think one man is destroying the country, which is absolutely the province of unstable individuals who enjoy inventing wild conspiracy theories. Paranoia is a sign of mental illness. I am not a Pollyanna, but I don’t live under a dark cloud of hopelessness, either. I get out and about a lot and don’t listen to talk radio. Who has time for that junk?

  • Concernedmimi

    Ted has gone overboard with some of his statements; gotten downright trashy but he is right to be outraged over the lame stream media covering up for this lawless administration and their blatant lies and omissions. Hope he tones it down in order not to defeat his purpose, which is to expose these lawless, over-taxing, spending, regulating bullies.

    • Rose

      Mimi, our economic meltdown and Wall Street fiasco occurred on Bush’s watch and Bush started two decades-long unfunded and unwinnable wars that have cost us trillions of dollars. Not billions, but trillions. More importantly thousands of soldiers have died and hundreds of thousands have been maimed for life for nothing.

      • Jeff Webb

        For nothing, eh? The population who suffered under Saddam & his sons might not agree with you.

        As for the economy, if you think President Bush was THE cause of the meltdown, even the main cause, you are sorely mistaken.

      • George Williams

        And we’ve more than doubled the National Debt under Obama’s watch. We are on the road to a National Debt which that will require consuming the entire discretionary budget in a few years and the Obama administration and his party absolutely refuse to do a thing about it. That means that at some point, there will be no money for anything but entitlements, no money for the armed forces, no money to fund your cherished EPA, the Department of Agriculture, the Department of State, the Department of the Treasury and many other vital and necessary functions of government. Wars end, but entitlements are by law required to be funded, and entitlements continue to grow at an astronomical rate and are by far, the major cause for the increase in the budget, raising the Debt ceiling and increasing the National Debt. And this is not the opinion of the Republicans, but an immutable fact that is even acknowledged by Obama, but thus far he and his party have done nothing to check this looming disaster. On the contrary, he and Harry Reid refuse to cut even one cent on the dollar of government expenditure, and year after year demonize the Republicans when they try to be responsible by refusing to raise the Debt ceiling, requesting reforms that will put us on the road to balancing the budget. Obama and company do this primarily as a means to destroy the Republican Party, so that his party is presented the alternative that cares about the people. They disgustingly use the Debt for the sole purpose of getting themselves re-elected. God help young people today who will ultimately be called upon to pay a huge proportion of their earnings in taxes within a decade to support these selfish maniacs.

  • http://att.net/ patty

    I’m still trying to figure out what planet ROSE IS FROM! Did someone buy her a pair of rose colored glasses? I’m on GEORGE WILLIAMS TEAM. I was wondering when old “LEGAL EAGLE” WOULD CRAWL OUT FROM UNDER HIS ROCK! He sure has a way with words, eh? Too bad he thinks he proves his point by name calling and his clever humor/NOT! The guy isn’t an attorney..He chose the Legal Eagle handle because he thought his ignorance would be overlooked. Maybe if one is brain dead!!

    • legal eagle

      The fact that is not really relevant. The fact that you agree with George Williams makes your judgment questionable.

      • George Williams

        The fact that you never actually counter any arguments, but only make disparaging remarks and condemnations is a clear sign that you either don’t comprehend the issues and are just show up to mouth off as a sycophantic supporter of Obama, or just a troll. Do you really know the color of Jeff Webb’s penis, as implied by your earlier comment?

  • http://att.net/ patty

    @ROSE…I’d rather have a GRUMPY GRAMPY or AN OLD SOUR PUSS IN THE WHITE HOUSE THAN PRESIDENT OBAMA WHO BAD MOUTHS AND APOLOGIZES FOR OUR/HIS COUNTRY TO TERRORIST COUNTRIES.

    • Rose

      Patty, you listen to too much talk radio. Obama does not go around apologizing to terrorists. He approved the capture or killing of Bin Laden in that dramatic and successful raid. Go sniff Limbaugh’s posterior a while.

      • BobInTennessee

        What a complete liberal koolaid-drinking fool you are rose, evidently you never heard of Benghazi where your prez and ALL his minions are being proven more and more every day what complete and utter bald-faced liars they ALL are! Your trouble is, from what I’ve seen here is, that you don’t listen to enough REAL news … get your nose out of the MSNBC posterior why don’t ya?

  • brickman

    Bernie, I thought you were getting tired of the “Culture Wars”.

  • Brian Fr Langley

    My premise is simple and my argument not subtle. Conservatism by definition doesn’t appreciate change. That is, they cling to traditional views. You know, traditional views like two married monogamous parents raising their own babies. Societal policies for decades now, have philosophically leaned progressive. (liberal), thus they are to blame for the staggering economic and social costs associated with eschewing traditional sexual mores. A more sexually promiscuous society comes at a cost. Taxpayers are now supporting millions and millions of single parent families. Families, whose kids probably won’t graduate high school, kids who commit more crime, do more drugs, and (the corollary) higher( and expensive) incarceration rates. And worse, these kids are by far the most likely to now repeat the cycle. I don’t mind paying for the truly needy, but I do mind, paying for the progeny of those who chose their own sexual exploits, then send me the bill. I face increased taxes, theft, and of course violence. And it’s hard to blame these parents or their kids. They’re just doing what humans naturally do. When you reward bad behavior, you’ll get bad behavior. In my own case, I was raised by a single mother on the (very) mean streets of east Vancouver. My mother lost control of me by the age of 11. She lost control of my 3 siblings not to long after. Since my friends all had fathers, (and curfews), trouble was hard to get into. (it’s no fun by yourself) But what if there had been two or three of me? These days fatherless kids are actually outnumbering kids with live in dads. This is the result of progressive policies that eschew traditional values.

    • Josh

      But we’ve had this exact argument before, with my stance being that the government should back out of paying for this bad behavior, and you fought me tooth-and-nail on that stance and insisted that government should dictate families the way you believe families should be.

      Can’t have it both ways. If you can do it, they can do it. Now they’re in power and they’re doing it.

      Get government out altogether, is what I say. Picking and choosing which ideology government should enforce opens everything up to drastic shifts.

      Also, you’re going to have to pick a set of “traditional” values and stick with them. The ancient days you hearken back on were oppressive times rife with slavery, bigotry, women having practically zero rights to do anything, and men who controlled society. You seem to use that history as “tradition” in the same way you use 1950s Americana as “tradition.”

      What is “tradition”? Where’s the happy point at which the change should cease and society should remain as-is?

      Progressive policies seek to place the state ahead of the family, usually by providing financial outs for lazy, stupid and irresponsible people. Again, this is the argument I made about, oh, two months ago.

      And you know full well that I’m firmly against that nonsense. Though conflating separate issues and cherry-picking history for parts you think of as good just opens the discussion up to annoying little factors, such as life not being very good for independent-minded women or minorities in this “traditional” picture.

      The blame can’t be placed squarely at the feet of progressives either. There are plenty of conservatives/traditionalists who willingly involved government in the family and knocked the door down to begin with. Progressives are just doing what the other side did when it had power, only their ideology is obviously different.

      The same thing with “marriage” itself being open to interpretation by everyone now: This is what people get when they turn things over to government! If people want their way of life to stay the same, never, ever put it in a position where it can be reversed by the winds of change in government.

      The mennonites and such do just fine with that. Why is it that everyone else wants their way dictated by government, and then scream “takeover,” “usurper” and “communism” when the other side does the exact same thing?

      Get government out completely!

      This is simply what happens. It’s the goose-gander thing. And all these “traditional” folks are forced to live with the results of their own tampering. It’s a painful truth, but it wouldn’t be worth a damn otherwise.

      • Brian Fr Langley

        To be fair, I find libertarian principles to be far more desirable than the collectivist ones infiltrating our society, and consider them, to hold significantly less societal danger than the aforementioned. However! They’re not a panacea either. So if I argued with you on libertarianism, it was not as an opponent, but rather, simply as a devils advocate. I’ve argued on many of these posts that even charity should be a matter of personal conscience, and NOT Government coercion. Again in the vast majority of my arguments, the traditional values I mean, (when I say traditional values) are the values set down by the Nations framers. While true they did not strictly adhere to their own values, (slavery etc.) they instituted a set of republican values, (based largely on the Judeo-Christian ethic, like private property rights, the rule of law, etc.) that gave civilization it’s highest and brightest moments. (in all the history recorded). It’s our modern cultures repudiation of the principles espoused in the founding documents, that I argue and oppose. The immorality I constantly refer to, is meant to juxtapose the failings of our downward collectivist march, against the shining promise of America’s founding documents, on which, (I believe) founded and sustained her highest and best “traditions”. (the ones I so fervently support and often refer to).

        • Josh

          Yeah.

          I’m just glad I didn’t live back then.

          It’s easy to look back and to pretend as if this was some great time. But the values you throw out there in a vague fashion don’t seem as if they ever came to fruition anyway. How can we get away from something we never got to in the first place?

          The idea of personal property has always been up to what government decides it wants to give or take. The same thing with the rule of law.

          I think some folks just like projecting on the past that it was a fairer, better time.

          It looks absolutely miserable to me, and I’d much rather live in today’s society with today’s first-world problems than to have to live in that time.

          My next door neighbor has slaves he beats and screws and humiliates. The tribe up the street just had their land stolen and half of their peoples slaughtered. My buddy denounced god and was hanged as a witch, while his family was ran out of town. My Irish cousins were run off the land for being Irish. Government just displaced me because I’m within 30 miles of the railroad. I can’t drink or party without townfolk launching stones at me and calling me a demon. Can’t find a wife because all that’s available are preteen girls in bonnets whose fathers control who they’re going to marry. The rest are already promised off or married, and the single ones aren’t even allowed out without a male chaperone. And I’m running out of time. I’m 33 with about 17 more years of expectant life.

          Don’t get me wrong, I love my country. I think America is tops. But today’s society is exponentially better in nearly every conceivable way than hundreds of years ago. And I didn’t even bother with modern conveniences and luxuries, of course; just the landscape and how inherently tribal and violent we still were.

          I’m glad we’ve got away from many of those “values.”

          It’s most certainly your right if you long for them all to return — and, of course, having that right is a tremendous right that I’m glad was given. (“Given” is the wrong word, but it works well in the context.)

          And of the ones that are truly great, like the freedom of speech and expression, I don’t even begin to see how that can be tied back to Judeo-Christian philosophy. The “traditional” family? Okay. Sure. But other rights that directly contradict everything religion is? Man, I’m not interested in buying bridges.

          Viva 2014! Boo 1814!

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Viva 2014! Boo 1814! I couldn’t agree with you more. I guess my arguments are more subtle than I thought. It’s not today I’m worried about, it’s tomorrow. Our present, has been authored by our past. Built on a solid foundation (and here’s where I believe evolution does happen) and evolving over 2 1/2 centuries, the (so called) “American way” transformed much of western civilization. Building, one the freest, prosperous, and happiest civilizations ever seen by human kind. However, just like our present was authored by our past, our future is being authored by our present. We’re slowly drifting from an ideology that built this great civilization, into one that’s a proven failure many times over. (into a collectivism, of one kind or another). And I think, what a damn shame. Now on to “Values” or as you also call them “rights”. The following “rights” that founded America, came directly from the earliest American’s Bible beliefs and knowledge. 1. The right of free association. (why do you think despots want to shutter Churches) 2. Individual private property rights. “you shall not steal” and “you shall not covet what belongs to your neighbor”. 3. The right to own your own labor. “you shall eat your food from the sweat of your brow”. 4. The separation of Church and State. “render under Caesar that which is Caesar’s, and render unto God that which is God’s”. 5. Freedom of religion. Many of the founders, were considered either heretics or apostates, (which is why the quit Britain) They wanted the “New World” to have religious freedom, for no more reason than they wanted to enjoy theirs. 5A. (religious freedom continued…and freedom of speech: Unlike other faiths, Christianity has always been a religion of conscience. The central figure (Jesus the Christ) quite specifically taught, coerced belief was valueless. Being a religion of conscience, means by definition, it’s a religion of argument. Evangelical Christianity has always required freedom of speech to argue it’s case. And yes of course, there have been historical instances of despots using swords, rather arguments, but that was their error, not the aforementioned Faith’s.

  • kayakbob

    “subhuman mongrel” is over the top. But more importantly, it detracts from the message and argument. The discussion quickly becomes about the words, not the substance of the position being taken.

    As Mr. Goldberg said, that statement put Greg Abbott in a position of having to defend, or explain, Ted Nugent – NOT talk about why he (Abbott) would be the best choice for Governor.

    This is just a classic case of a guy (Nugent) putting his interest over the interest of the candidate he wants to see elected.

    Due to the influence that media still holds, conservative candidates for state/national office can’t afford these types of flare ups and still get elected.

  • Rose

    George said, And our country is not getting better, Rose.

    So I told him all the ways it is better now than ever. He failed to explain how it is getting worse. Yes, he is angry because his candidate lost, but that is not an indication of how the country is worse and not getting better.

    Perhaps he should explain. We have faced far worse times, but George seems to think the worst time is now. Worse than the Civil War? Worse than WW I or II? The Great Depression? Slavery?

    Just what does George mean? How is it worse today, all things told? I am very grateful for the lives we live, our freedoms, our many blessings and joys. Why is he so soured on this great country?

    If we can’t appreciate what we have, do we deserve it?

    • George Williams

      You’re a fool, Rose. With an effective unemployment rate in double digits, Obamacare being the lie of the year because it’s destroying peoples health care, the president using the IRS and other government agencies in an abuse of power, the president ignoring his oath to support and defend the Constitution and its laws, with record numbers on welfare and a National Debt that will eventually consume all discretionary spending, you tell us that all is peaches and cream. I think I speak for most in this blog, Legal weasel being the other exception, that you are the consummate dunce.

      • Rose

        Hmmm my health care is just fine. Kept my same policy. No problems. Much of the unemployment is due to rapid changes in technology, just as the industrial revolution eliminated many jobs. Times change George. Our Constitution does not guarantee everyone a job. But Republicans could care less if people are unemployed anyway. They chalk it up to laziness or stupidity. Guess what, old codger. Presidents do not control the world’s economy. Not even close and certainly no cigar, George. Turn off Beck and Limbaugh and think. Your ideas do not hold water any more than your bladder does. More changes are on the way, no matter who is president. The economy will have its ups and downs, but it is improving. The Bush wars have just about bankrupted us and thousands of soldiers died or were left severely disabled because of them.

        • George Williams

          The economy is in improving? Perhaps your callousness and ignorance is due to that it hasn’t affected you personally, and you couldn’t care less about others who are less fortunate. Millions have lost their health insurance because of Obama, but because you haven’t, you don’t give a damn. Again, with the lowest worker participation rate in decades, that’s people who don’t have jobs, Rose, you sit there mouthing off on how great things are, but that’s far from the case of much of this country. Wake up from your perpetual nap. I give you a five dunce cap rating.

        • George Williams

          Rose, you are blissfully ignorant, and selfish. I am insured under the Federal Employees Health Benefit Program. I’ve been so for 35 years now. My insurance is fine, but I don’t let that interfere with my sympathies for my fellow citizens who have had their government yank their safety net from under them. You, on the other hand, are tone deaf to others who are suffering under Obamacare.

  • Rose

    Talk about hypocritical. A poor woman gets pregnant. She has an abusive husband who abandoned her and their three other children. To Republicans, there is nothing she can do that is proper. If she gets an abortion, she is called a child-killer destined for Hell. If she has the baby and tries to raise the family on her own, she is called a welfare Queen and lazy leech on society. If she puts the child up for adoption, and tries to work to support her others, she is called a neglectful mother who can’t control her libido. If she uses birth control, many right wing zealots say she is interfering with God’s plan. If she is violently raped and gets pregnant again, she is told God wants her to have the baby. meanwhile Repubs say little or nothing about the males in her life. You fetus-worshippers will let her kid starve once it leaves the womb. Or bitch and moan about having to help feed it.

    • gongdark

      And all the dubiously elected liberals endorse abortion as a first measure and probably their only solution.

    • Jeff Webb

      Really, Rose, where is all this coming from? Assuming you think conservatives in general believe all this…

      >> If she gets an abortion, she is called a child-killer destined for Hell.<>If she puts the child up for adoption, and tries to work to support
      her others, she is called a neglectful mother who can’t control her
      libido.<> If she has the baby and tries to raise the family on her own, she is
      called a welfare Queen and lazy leech on society.<> If she uses birth control, many right wing zealots say she is interfering with God’s plan.<>You fetus-worshippers will let her kid starve once it leaves the womb.<> Or bitch and moan about having to help feed it.<<

      Not in the case of those families truly in need, we don't. In the case of the aforementioned welfare queens or other people gaming or abusing the system, damn right we're against it. Liberals, OTOH, all too often act as if nobody ever does that, and that there's an infinite supply of money to keep funding them.

      • Rose

        It is none of your business what other people do in their lives and you are not judge and jury over who is worthy or unworthy. Family planning is practiced by most people regardless of party. And many unwanted and abused children languish in foster homes all their lives. Grow up. Read the papers. Leave poor women alone. Or go out and adopt a few crack babies or meth babies that you insist be born.

        • Jeff Webb

          >>It is none of your business what other people do in their lives and you are not judge and jury over who is worthy or unworthy.<<

          Absolutely true, and nothing in my previous comment was meant to suggest otherwise. I was merely addressing a few ignorant points in yours, and nothing you said in today's comment makes them any less wrong.

          After all you said yesterday, your suggesting I'm immature and uninformed is actually kind of cute.

          BTW, some major problems in this country would all but disappear if liberals thought your first sentence applied to them.

        • George Williams

          When people take money that is taken by the government from some taxpayers to give to others it is the business of concerned citizens who are deprived of their hard earned money, and the fiduciary responsibility of the government to assure that it is being spent wisely. Free birth control is not free, but is either paid for by taxes paid through Medicaid or through premiums forced to paid by people who have to buy insurance imposed upon the populace by force of federal law. We could leave poor women alone but for the fact that they take money from the taxpayers of this nation. If poor women don’t want the government’s agents in their lives, or taxpayers objecting to their sexual life styles then they shouldn’t take welfare. The taxpaying citizens of this country have every right to concern themselves with how the money THEY EARNED is being used, even at the expense of the privacy of those who take it. If they don’t like being scrutinized by the State, and cherish their privacy, then they should go it alone.

          • Jeff Webb

            According to liberals, people are against women if they don’t want their money used to fund abortions & birth control, and when you suggest even the most ridiculous things only be funded privately, it’s the same thing as wanting them outlawed.

  • SemperFi1946

    People like Nugent on both sides, ramp up the fringe, but do more harm than good and perpetuate stereotypes. We are so divided as a nation the GOP has to find economic issues and policies that will generate national excitement and a reason to vote FOR something rather than just against something. Too many registered GOP members are 1 issue voters who stay home if the candidate is not THEIR guy or gal. Those 11 million GOP voters who could not vote for Romney gave us Obama – again!

  • Rose

    Negativity loses elections at the national level. You have to be for something. You have to believe in our system. You can’t be an old sourpuss who grunts out commands that make younger people grown or laugh out loud. Who wants Grumpy Gramps in the White House? And telling us the country is DYING and IN DECLINE is hysterical chicken-little talk.

    • Rose

      Correction: should be groan, not groan.

      • George Williams

        Yeah, who wants Grumpy Grumps in the White House when we can have cheery, unicorn loving incompetents who have no respect for their Constitutional limits. LOL! LOL! How infantile!

        • TheOriginalDonald

          Now now, George! You MUST be civil to Rose! #LiberalsDEMANDIt ;)

          • legal eagle

            Don’t disturb George Williams… He needs to sit on the toilet and gather his thoughts…LOL

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Toilet humor! How cool! I guess we should just be happy you’ve moved on from homophobic rants for a couple of hours.

          • TheOriginalDonald

            more civility coming from the left!

          • legal eagle

            As it would appear that you now have no problem with anti-Semitic rants it might be time to deal with less bigoted individuals than you and your cult members.. I guess next week you’ll have no problem when your fellow haters start referring to Obama as a Black SOB which you’ll, I assume, defend as a statement of fact…..

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            It would appear I have no problem with anti-Semitic rants? Talk about a random, pathetic accusation…Why not just accuse me of racism like you usually do when I hold you accountable for your words, and save yourself some typing?

          • Jeff Webb

            >> I guess next week you’ll have no problem when your fellow haters start
            referring to Obama as a Black SOB which you’ll, I assume, defend as a
            statement of fact…..<<

            Yet more proof that when you told me you weren't in the speculation business, it was your cowardly way of avoiding a question.

            Here's a statement of fact that might confuse you: Barack Obama is WHITE.

          • legal eagle

            So is your dick…

          • George Williams

            A witness? Doing your peeping Tom act, legal eagle?

          • Jeff Webb

            Oh dear, Legal Eagle posted an inappropriate comment. Not only is he in the speculation business, he’s in the childish cursing business.

      • Rose

        Grown!

  • Rose

    Ever notice how people who claim to love this country actually hate everything about it and have zero faith in the strong system our founding fathers gave us? They think that one man, a president, can destroy the country in a mere four to eight years. They think our country is too weak to withstand a president that they did not vote for. It seems they want the country to die on the vine so that they can claim to have been right. It is bizarre. Our country is getting better, not worse.

    • George Williams

      No, it’s because we actually believe in the Constitution that the Founders gave us. A belief in government without questioning it is little more than a new religion, the faith of the left’s idea that somehow government owns us, and not the other way around. The left now asks us to have faith in a seriously flawed institution. Our country is NOT our government. We the People, as stated in the Preamble is the country. Our government is the entity that we delegate to do our bidding. I know that this is a difficult idea for you Rose, but read a little philosophy and just may come to understand this. And when a president steps over the line, Rose, he loses our respect and we impeach him, an act we will do when the Senate goes to the Republicans in 2014.

      • Rose

        Ah, the good old days! How you and your ilk down through the ages have loved those good old days. Why you could just run out and purchase a slave or two if you had the money. And you did not have to put up with pesky women who wanted to vote. You see, Georgie, this was the land of the free for some but not all…a few good old boys ran the country and everyone else settled for crumbs. I doubt your ancestors were the big dogs, though. They were more likely to have been sharecroppers, tenant farmers, and other dirt poor people just trying to get by. Somehow folks like you read the words “freedom and justice for ALL” and then excluded blacks, women, other ethnicities, those who did not own land, etc. it was also so ideal when six year olds could be forced to labor in factories or fields all day. I want go into sanitation, medical and communication conditions in the good old days, but maybe you long for privies and early death and smoke signals. To each his own. But why not be a real modern GOP Tea Party goon, George, and suggest that the unemployed of today simply grab their bootstraps and start pulling.

        • George Williams

          Just what did I say that you object to? You’ve changed the subject and introduced things I never addressed. In a debate you would be laughed off the stage. Did you object to the concept that the country is We the People and not the government? That was the central theme of the my first paragraph. Or did you refute my assertion that we have the lowest worker participation rate in decades, as that was the them of my second paragraph? You failed even mention these, while introducing things that had nothing to do with what I wrote. Perhaps your teeny mustard seed sized mind found those other things too hard to comprehend, and you ran off at the mouth about your convictions, hence your running off in a tangent. Any rational person reading your response would recognize how ridiculous you are. ROFLO!

          • Rose

            I notice you did not refute any of my comments or deny them. We the People elected Obama under a system you claim is the best in the world and to support fully. YOU said things were not better today. Well, we are not in a Great Depression. We are not in a Civil or World War. More people have the right to vote than ever. We have benefitted from advancements in every field from medicine to communication. There is no McCarthyism blacklisting people, no legalized slavery, less discrimination than ever. Our Congress stinks and does little, but our system gives the president certain powers to apply when Congress sits on its hands. Obama was elected by We the People and you the losers are dining on sour grapes.

          • Rose

            My last sentence asked the question you most want to avoid. Since when do Republicans care about an unemployed individual? Your answer to every human problem is that we should just pull ourselves up by the bootstraps if we lose a job. Why whine about unemployment when you clearly blame the unemployed and deny them their benefits? You certainly don’t want them on welfare. You blame the president for unemployment but that is not logical because you also say the unemployed are lazy, ignorant bums who want others to pay their way and deserve no government help.

          • George Williams

            How idiotic! When the amount of money that each employee has put in has been drawn from his account, the continuation of his benefits becomes little more than welfare that’s not means tested, and that’s exactly what’s happening. Only Democrats would say something as stupid as “You certainly don’t want them on welfare.” Rose, what’s the difference to the Treasury if themoney is called welfare or unemployment insurance payments? Congress has to either increase taxes on the remaining employees to pay for it or borrow more money and add to a National Debt that will be more then 23 trillion dollars. Rose would curse Obama is she wound up paying half her salary (presuming that she’s employed at the time) to just service the interest payments on a Debt this size. “Since when do Republicans care about an unemployed individual?” Since when have Democrats ever cared about a future with a horizon longer than next year’s fiscal budget. Remember, it was your idiot Obama who castigated the Republicans for the huge National Debt, calling it unpatriotic, and then showed his other face by proceeding to generate the largest National Debt in history. Democrats would have us forget this duplicity, but intelligent people remember.

          • Integrity

            And yet we are expected to believe that you once voted for a Republican. Did you think this lie would help make your point? How sad. QED

          • Stimpy

            I agree. Why should anyone work when the government will take care of them? Those mean old Republicans. How dare they insist on personal responsibility and fiscal responsibility for our government. Besides, how would a politician expect to be elected if he can’t provide goodies for the electorate? I’m loving this American democracy.

          • George Williams

            I don’t bother with you comments because they are utterly nonsensical.

          • George Williams

            The Founders and the People were products of their day and cannot be judged by modern standards, anymore than there’s purpose in judging the Romans under Caesar. Move on, Rosita.

    • Stimpy

      Ask the Germans or Russians if one man can destroy a country. Luckily we have checks and balances. Unlucky for us, your fearless leader is trying real hard to circumvent those checks and he could care less about the Constitution and its requirement to faithfully execute the laws of this country.

  • Wheels55

    I like Ted. He certainly is expressive in ways that most of us would not be, but he is honest. As an entertainer, he isn’t likely to back down from his comments like a politician would. Kind of refreshing, isn’t it?
    When the many Hollywood types say just as offensive things about conservatives, I shrug it off as their opinion. I suggest we all do the same. Politicians have to have thick skin because this stuff happens all the time. Don’t cry for them.

  • nkqx57a

    Ted Nugent…has a way of expressing himself that is easily understood and I don’t necessarily agree with the words he used, but I do understand very well what he’s communicating. And I have heard Obama called worse by many others.

    Name calling and verbally attacking Obama is not the answer, but for many it feels good; just as Liberals feel good attacking conservatives, especially conservative women. THERE ARE DOUBLE STANDARDS…whatever happened to: “Sticks and Stone may break your bones; but names will never harm you”?

    Obama may have a high IQ, but having a high IQ does not make a great or even good CIC or President. Obama is lacking in so many areas; specifically the one area that could make all the difference…”common sense”.

    Being smart without a good dose of “common sense” and the necessary experience negates a high IQ every time. Having a high IQ only means you are more than capable to master any idea or problem. However, without the proper moral values to go with “common sense” and the experience, you become all talk without substance; which is exactly what Obama is.

    There is most certainly something wrong with America; when a man like Obama can get elected not once, but twice POTUS.

    “We The People” have not only failed ourselves, we have failed our Country.

    • Rose

      Sad that you do not accept the system given us by the founders. We the people elected Obama twice. He was our choice. He is the President. Being a sore loser does nothing to move the country forward. Were we supposed to fall in love with that old fart McCain and ditzy Palin? Oh, please. How about Romney leading us on a journey in which we hie to Kolob. No thanks! Maybe you should put forth candidates who inspire instead of lecture and who would not drag us into more absurd wars.

  • Ben West

    I remember a scene in Band of Brothers in which Captain Sokul attempted to not solute Major Winters. Major Winters told him….”you salute the rank, not the man.”
    Its much the same with the POTUS. As much as I desire a different President, its the OFFICE that deserves respect, not the man.
    I love ya Ted, but your comments were out of line.

    • George Williams

      No. The office gets respect. Obama is a tyrant and has lost the respect of the thinking part of the nation. This man is impeachable and should be removed from office. You salute this new Hitler. I won’t.

      • Rose

        Oh, joy, now George is dragging out the military and the flag. I come from a family in which every man has spent some time in uniform, but strangely, they do not brag about their service or strut around like know-it-alls. Real heroes never talk about their heroism or expect favoritism or glory because of it. And it is a total lie that all servicemen vote Republican. Tell your war stories somewhere else, George. Obama will never be impeached. And having disgruntled old losers attempt it would bury the GOP. The Nazis were right wingers, you crazy old coot, which is why most Jews are on the left. They fear right wing extremists. Nugent and Tea Partiers are closer to Nazis than Obama is, knucklehead. Cruz had a commie daddy, so he is trying to be a Nazi for you, George. Ha!

        • George Williams

          Uh, there you go again, not addressing what I said, but being infantile and moving off in a tangent. Just what kind of education do you have? Have you graduated high school yet? You disrespectful little snot.

          • Rose

            I have a master’s degree, George and my husband has a doctorate. Just calling someone a tyrant does not make him one. Not even Russia is communist anymore. You must be from the Goldwater generation. Didn’t that election butt-kicking teach you anything? And I’ll be up enjoy those socialism programs called social security and Medicare or maybe even the socialized medicine of the VA. Not all old geezers are like you, George. Some live in the twenty-first century.

          • George Williams

            You are proof that a college degree does not mean having an education.

          • legal eagle

            Rose,
            You’re wasting your time trying to debate anything with George Williams…He’s just a bitter old hater who will argue about anything. He doesn’t care about logic or facts and he is suffering from a severe case of ODS
            (“Obama Derangement Syndrome”).

      • Brian_Bayless

        LOL.

  • Jeff Webb

    Bernie, I’m more of the “condemn our conduct, condemn their phony outrage every bit as much” mindset. Ted did Abbott (and the GOP overall) no favors opening that big mouth of his, but any indignant liberal using that to slam the GOP needs a hearty serving of bigoted statements by Boxer, Reid, Biden, and whoever insulted Clarence Thomas with that “eggs & butter” quote.

  • gongdark

    The more I read these comments, my conclusion is that the governments control of the education system ( liberal Madrasas) is working and the dumbing down of the American citizen is nearly complete. Your not in the sandbox anymore, throwing sand at each other. Your watching a country DIE and your still in the sandbox. I wonder how many of you sandbox dwellers voted for Obama in both elections and still you have no idea how stupid you are.

    • Rose

      Please learn to use you’re and your correctly.

      • Ron F

        Rose, he did use it correctly. “You’re” is a contraction of “you are” and he was saying you are already intellectually dead. “Your” is a noun or pronoun to show possession.

        • George Williams

          Rose “Doofus” was responding to gongdark.

      • gongdark

        Rose, Ya got me. I have to, ugh, to assume, (hate that word) that you must agree or at least not totally disagree with the statement.

        Take CAre

    • legal eagle

      I will assume you will physically die before the country does? You’re already intellectually dead..

      • gongdark

        I would have answered earlier but every time I attempted to respond to your juvenile statement, I reached an impasse on what to say. This is kind of driving me nutsI I have never corresponded with someone that had concrete for brains before this. Any attempt to impart any knowledge to you would be like, like trying to put rebar into set concrete. Absolutely Impossible.

  • gongdark

    I’m upset over the fact that Obama was put on the same intelligence level as the nurtured subhuman mongrel.

  • MontanaMade

    However, Newt DID rebuke the comment saying it was wrong! And pretty much every show I’ve seen- that leans conservative- has said the same thing. They HAVE BEEN holding him accountable.
    This article is not accurate as the right leaning media has been on him- maybe not to the extent of the left, but the left has really NEVER gone after one of their own for anything they say- so the right has at least 100% more accountability than the left in matters such as these.
    For the record- I don’t like Obama’s policies much at all, but Nugent’s comment was way over the line. It’s okay to go after his views, policies, actions and the like- but Ted went 2nd grade playground on the Pres- and it was wrong. We are better than that.

    • Rose

      I agree. Nugent is a juvenile and crude person. Nobody with an ounce of class would applaud his remarks. Most conservatives, even Cruz, find him boorish, I am sure, and they have spoken out.

      • George Williams

        Juvenile? Pot calling kettle black. LOL! Doofus, doofus! That’s really mature. LOL!

    • Sheila Warner

      You’re way too generous. Nugent went preschool playground on the President. A second grader has more sense than that guy.

  • MarioG

    Ted says what Bernie has surely thought – at least once. However, a white, Jewish, guilt ridden recovering liberal like Bernie will die before he admits it. Ignoring the invective and animal imagery for a minute, let’s examine what Ted actually said between the lines.

    Barack Obama’s documented mentors include a) his far-left-wing grandparents who raised him, b) Communist Frank Marshall Davis who some think is his actual father, c) Unrepentant domestic terrorists, Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers, d) Palestinian terrorist supporters Edward Said and Rashid Khalidi, e) Convicted Chicago thug Tony Rezko, f) Calypso Louie Farrakhan, and g) Anti-American and anti-Semitic pastors Michael Pfleger and Jeremiah Wright.

    Far-left-wing icon, Bill Clinton, who knows a thing or two about being a thug, called Obama a Chicago-thug.

    Does Ted’s rant about Obama being a closet communist seem more plausible now, even if you ignore his economic policies and ridiculing business owners?

    • Hacksaw_Duck

      Mario, it comes down to this: Do you want our side to win or lose? If you want our side to lose, then we should all defend Nugent and balk at Bernie’s analysis. Just like you’re doing.

      • MarioG

        Hacksaw – Here’s how I see it.

        Ted Nugent is cancelled out by a hundred worse than him on the left with names like Maher and Stewart and Colbert and Matthews and I could go on and on all day long before even getting to Jackson and Sharpton and West and Hill and and Smiley and the rest of the civil rights hustlers at the NAALCP.

        Faux-conservatives like Bush 41, Dole and McCain lost and those who run as conservatives like Reagan and Bush 43 won two terms

        Some 5 million conservatives who voted for McCain did not show up to vote for Romney, ostensibly because they falsely thought he was not conservative enough. He could have gotten them if he had finished strong and hadn’t played “prevent defense” after the first debate. They would have sent Obama to hang with his homies in Hyde Park and saved us – especially the poorest among us – endless grief not to mentions trillions of clams on the backs of our kids and grandkids.

        The key is to hold or expand the Republican conservative base, not the so-called independents. The GOP must take the fight into the barrios and into the Democrat Plantations not by pandering to them and promising them free goodies but by showing them how they can earn and keep their own goodies through education and preparation and hard work, like their brothers and sisters have actually done in the most competitive endeavors on the planet, entertainment. and sports. They can do the same in other walks of life if they choose to “Act Black” like their icons who have shown the way.

        • Drew Page

          You are right about those “true conservatives” who didn’t think Romney was conservative enough and so stayed home on election day. I wonder how they are enjoying Obama’s brand of conservatism. They couldn’t have it all their way so they didn’t vote and screwed the rest of us. Don’t blame the liberals or the Democrats for Obama’s re-election, blame those “true conservatives”.

          • MarioG

            Drew – To be fair they got a lot of help from voters making less than $30K a year who gave Obama a 7 million vote margin to protect the free stuff they need to survive in Obama’s job-stifling economy. Those making more than $30K a year gave Romney a 3 1/2 million vote margin.

            Romney was dead-on about the 47% – we now have about as many takers than makers so we need every sane voter we can find, which, to me, means taking it to the Hispanics and Blacks with conservative principles, not by pandering to them with the same lies the Democrats have burned them with since 1965. They have not all been corrupted yet but they’re getting there. We just need to flip a few more.

            Statism is a slippery slope that leads directly to Athens.

          • Drew Page

            Mario — I agree with your assessments. Romney was right about the 47%. Like it or not (and I don’t) I’m afraid the “gimme my free stuff” crowd continues to grow and will most likely continue to vote Democrat because of the social welfare benefits they are promised and the expectation of amnesty for illegals, which will allow them to bring their extended families into the U.S. from their countries of origin. The only votes we should be able to count on are from Republicans, Libertarians, conservatives and some of the independents. When the far right decided to stay home and not vote for Romney, they screwed themselves and the rest of us.

          • MarioG

            Drew – I am a brown skinned immigrant from a previously socialist country and am pissed that it has followed me here through Obama, who is busy trying to destroy everything that made this country great and respected and feared around the world until now. Now, Obama and Kerry and Clinton before him, and Susan Rice, have made us a laughing stock.

            I am dead against pandering to any minority because we do them no favors when we patronize them and make them wards of the government – which is the ultimate goal of the Democrats who callously think of them as a voting block and little else.

            I would form a team of Hispanic and black conservatives – there are plenty of them around, believe me – and go into the barrios and government plantations and assertively show them how they can join the rest of our upwardly mobile society instead of becoming a permanent underclass. Then let the chips fall where they may.

            If Romney had done so and stayed on offense until the fat lady finished her song, we wouldn’t be facing the continuing horrors of the worst US president in history.

          • Drew Page

            Mario — I appreciate your feelings of frustration, having come from a socialist country to the USA, only to find that our president and his liberal appointees have an agenda to turn this country socialist, all in the name of “social justice”. You, better than most, know what it is like to live in in a socialist country.
            You are correct when you say pandering to minorities and making them wards of the government does them no favor. Many in minority groups are good, hard working people who only want an opportunity to better themselves and provide their families with a better life. They need jobs, not welfare. If the Democrat party leaders would spend half as much effort helping to create jobs as they do welfare programs, everyone would be better off. What are the priorities of the Obama administration? Gay marriage, abortion, free contraceptives, “global warming”, “green energy”, more regulations of businesses, bankrupting the coal industry, Obama Care and higher taxes on businesses and individuals. Despite all of his talk, He has failed to approve the Keystone Pipeline, refused to grant leases on public lands for oil and gas exploration and drilling. Has directed his regulatory agencies to generate thousands of regulations that make opening and running a business more and more difficult. He has failed to use the “Stimulus” funds to repair and rebuild our infrastructure. He has chosen to penalize success and subsidize failure.
            Even in the best of times, education and training are key to finding good paying jobs. Today, it is essential that our labor force have marketable skills and an education that allows them to be trained for skilled positions.
            Today, the Democrat party markets itself as Santa Claus, promising all kinds of things that somebody else has to pay for. They portray Republicans as the Grinch, that wants to take away everything. This is why the unskilled and uneducated listen to and vote for Democrats.
            I agree that Romney could have fought harder, but without support from all Republicans and conservatives, he didn’t have a chance.

          • MarioG

            Amen. We conservatives need to do better this November and put the final nail in the Obama philosophical coffin in 2016.

            Find and join the Tea Party group nearest you.

        • legal eagle

          You sound as much of an election expert as Dick Morris and Karl Rove…

          • MarioG

            Voters making less than $30K a year gave Obama a 7 million vote
            margin to protect the free stuff they need to survive in Obama’s
            job-stifling economy. Those making more than $30K a year gave Romney a 3
            1/2 million vote margin. The 5 million McCain voters who stayed home made a huge difference and screwed the poorest among us to the wall – AGAIN. Wise up.

          • legal eagle

            How does one know how much a voters income is?

          • George Williams

            You know, legal eagle, it’s a thing called polling. I know that concept may be beyond your comprehension, but it’s like this: People are paid to call voters and ask them how they voted and what their incomes are. They do this on a sampling basis. For you edification.. http://www.gallup.com/poll/101872/how-does-gallup-polling-work.aspx

          • MarioG

            From exit polling.

          • legal eagle

            What I’m suggesting is that this type of exit polling is very inexact and a lot of it is estimation. The point that lower income voters, including students, vote Democratic is not a revelation…Question? Romney appeared to get the same amount of votes as McCain…What 5 million voters stayed home?

          • MarioG
          • legal eagle

            What about my previous question?

          • MarioG

            If you read the link you would know your question was null and void.

          • George Williams

            Oh, I forgot, only statistical data approved by the Obama administration is valid, i.e. CBO data that favors his party is exact but all other is just garbage.

          • George Williams

            Hey, when your party gets two votes for every communist voter in your party and stuffs ballet boxes, it’s easy to make monkeys out of honest folk.

    • legal eagle

      ” However, a white, Jewish, guilt-ridden, recovering liberal like Bernie, who spent most of his life in the East-Coast-Liberal-Bubble will die before he admits it. Bernie is hardly a profile in courage himself.”

      Thanks for sharing your anti-Semitic bigotry….You will feel right at home on this site with many of your hateful brethren…

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        Uh, legal. He could have been quoting you there.

        • legal eagle

          I don’t believe that I referred to you as a “Christian” moron?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Hey, don’t get fussy just because I pointed out your denunciation of a comment that looked just like the ones you leave here every day.

      • MarioG

        Legal Weasel – So, let me get this straight.

        Calling a recovering liberal Jew a recovering liberal Jew is now anti-Semitism? LOL!

        Nice variation though on the brain-dead charge of racism against the adaptation of a real communist in the White House.

        Did you somehow miss Hugo Chavez exulting that he had to look left to see Obama whom he once called his Comrade?

        • legal eagle

          What does Bernie being Jewish have to do with anything? Do you refer to O’Reilly as a Catholic or whatever he is? In the Jewish world your comment is considered anti-Semitic…If you don’t like it, don’t use it?

          • Drew Page

            Let me get this straight. Calling somebody who is Jewish, Jewish, is ok, but calling that same person a Jew is anti-Semitic? Are you making this up or have you been nominated to speak on behalf of Jews (oops, Jewish people) everywhere?

          • legal eagle

            I speak for myself and my Jewish friends and relatives…The comment about Goldberg being Jewish is anti-Semitic in the Jewish world….I would assume you disagree because you have a need to be disagreeable with any reasonable statement I make.
            Next time you talk to a Jew, if you talk to Jews, refer to him as a “jew” and let me know his/her reaction?

          • Drew Page

            eagle – I disagree with many of the comments you post here, not be cause you are Jewish, but because I find your comments unreasonable. You are forever taking cheap shots at others who post here and often resort to name calling.

          • legal eagle

            Just tell me this? Why did the moron Mario G refer to Bernie as a “liberal Jew”? What does Bernie’s religion have to do with the subject? If you’d like to spin it as a statement of fact be my guest. If you don’t recognize that it’s offensive to some…that’s sad…
            Wonder if you would have a problem if someone referred to Derek Jeter as the “mulatto Yankees shortstop” or Sandy Koufax as the “Jewish Hall of Fame pitcher”?
            I believe they would find it offensive as would most reasonable people.

          • George Williams

            Actually, I believe that he referred to being “reformed” of the affliction known as liberalism. There are number of outspoken conservatives that have rid themselves of that baggage. Many Americans, Jews among them that have yet to swear off the Kool Aid.

          • George Williams

            You’re a homophobic Jewish self-proclaimed lawyer that concerns himself with the color of another bloggers penis. Does that make you a closet homosexual? Perhaps you’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he’s not anti-semitic, and we’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were just mouthing off about the color of Jeff’s penis, it not having sexual preference conotations and call it a day.

          • legal eagle

            No response from old Christian Drew?

          • MarioG

            You must be referring to the liberal Jewish world, not the politically conservative Jews I associate with, who think Obama is the worst thing to happen to the US economy and to the security of Israel.

            Of course I would refer to O’Reilly of “The All Spin Zone” as a Catholic if it were relevant. He spins Obama as “a patriot” and spins what the climate change alarmists want as “cleaner air”. The arrogant jackass breathes out more hot air than anyone else while calling the clear plant food, CO2, a “pollutant”. But, I digress.

            79% of American Jews voted for the most anti-Semitic, anti-Israel president in US history in 2008 and 70% in 2008. His Uncle Jeremiah Wright and his mentor Calypso Louis Farrakhan are infamous anti-Semites as are his Palestinian mentors Edward Said and Rashid Khalidi.

            That makes Jewish liberals dangerous because they voted based on affirmative action thinking not for the US or for Israel.

            Ask any liberal Jewish businessman if he would hire Obama to run his business. Don’t do it over a meal. The last time I did I had to give the gentleman a Heimlich.

          • legal eagle

            It would appear that more than 70% of Jewish voters disagree with your defamatory statements about Obama… Enough said..

          • MarioG

            They are all liberal Jews who used affirmative action thinking in the presidential race due to their deep-seated guilt over slavery they had nothing to do with. Come to think of it, neither did Obama, except some slave owners on his mother’s side.

            Affirmative action thinking in presidential elections is what makes liberal Jews like Alan Dershowitz so dangerous for America and Israel.

          • legal eagle

            More vague generalities about Jewish voters….”affirmative action thinking”? Is that another one of your bigoted “dog whistle” sayings? Sort of like Gingrich’s famous “Obama is the food stamp President” or Reagan’s famous “welfare queens” reference.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Uh, you’re the one who hears “food stamps” and thinks “black person.” You can’t blame the racial stereotypes you subscribe to on Gingrich.

          • legal eagle

            I’m not sure if you’re ignorant about the term “dog whistle” or you just like to act like someone who wished to play the role of a political neophyte?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Oh, I understand what the term is. I just find the modern day liberal movement’s application of it to be absolutely hilarious. You guys are the only ones who actually hear these dog whistles, and its only because you desperately WANT to hear them.

            Everything from “welfare” to “basketball” to “Chicago” was proclaimed to be a racist dog whistle during the 2012 presidential campaign and the only morons who buy into that stuff are you and your fellow Chris Matthews disciples.

          • legal eagle

            You mean Obama is an anti-Semite like Richard Nixon?

          • MarioG

            Richard Nixon was like Menachem Begin when compared with Barack Obama and his stooges Hillary Clinton and John Kerry who all pressurized or are pressuring, Israel into “negotiating” their own demise. The Palestinians, on the other hand, who are REQUIRED by their founding charters to wipe Israel off the map and kill Jews, have never compromised or are being asked to compromise by the Obama regime.

          • legal eagle

            You are speaking in vague generalities…Yada yada yada yada….Rabin must have been anti-Semitic as well as Sharon, before he fell ill, because they both were willing to negotiate land for peace deals with the PLO…As I presume you know little about Israeli politics I will also presume you have no idea about political posturing and the difference between political talking points and policy…

          • MarioG

            If you want to end your amazing ignorance Google “yale.edu – Hamas Covenant” and read what the Palestinians are REQUIRED to do. It is still in force and explains everything that has happened to Israel since 1947.

          • George Williams

            Nixon is dead. Want to go back to Wilson too? Wilson was pro-eugenics, and no doubt would have liked the policies of Margaret Sanger and her Planned Parenthood, a NGO that is responsible for the abortion of millions of black babies. Like most Democrats, you like to deflect from the present. Unfortunately, you party’s past is replete with rabid racism, a fact that causes your historians to spend huge amounts of time re-writing hstory. How about that KKK that was a prominent part of your party in the South. Senator Robert Byrd was a member of the KKK and honored for his service when he died a few years ago. You Alinskys have more dirt than a manure pile and you’re nothing but sanctimonious hypocrites. You’re proud of that I’ll bet.

          • Rose

            Now, George, you take many strolls down memory lane, too, when it suits your purpose, and you never address points made by others because you cannot. You use the word Obama more than any other, closely followed by communism, but your reasoning is foggy. In truth, you think Obama is powerful enough to destroy this whole country in a couple of years. You actually give the man a lot of credit ! You have made him a God-like person who can part the seas and leap tall buildings in a single bound, grinding the Constitution to sawdust. How silly! He is just a man and he operates within the boundaries of our government and laws. But people like you have to have an Enemy Extraordinaire to obsess about.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>He is just a man and he operates within the boundaries of our government and laws.<>Reagan is dead too but you RWNJobs dig him up on the hour. You worship him and he decayed decades ago.<<

            Were you trying for a cute play on words, or are you simply unaware that it's been barely one decade since President Reagan passed?

          • Rose

            Reagan is dead too but you RWNJobs dig him up on the hour. You worship him and he decayed decades ago.

          • Rose

            Obama is extremely intelligent, but Jefferson and Clinton are at the top in terms of intellect. And nothing is as boring as hearing a racist call others racist. It is one of the many foolish tactics adopted by present day right wingers. The Republican Party is being held hostage by its virulent racist wing. They are taking the who,r party down with them. Blacks who stood in line for hours to vote in the last election were inspired and motivated by people like YOU, George. Keep up the good work. It will put Hillary in the Oval Office!

          • George Williams

            Really? How has he manifested his intelligence? We’ve effectively got more unemployment that we had under George Bush. We have more people dependent on government subsidies under George Bush. We have more strife in the world than under George Bush. Our nation is less respected than under George Bush. As always, you are incapable of addressing what I’ve said and can only parrot the libel and slander of your party against the Tea Party. You couldn’t cite one specific racist thing that the Tea Party is guilty of if your life depended upon it. You are nothing by an ignorant tool of the Democratic Party. The idea that you attribute a long line to vote to me shows how bankrupt your arguments are.

          • George Williams

            As Michelle Malkin would say, “Look, Squirrel!” More deflecting, typical of Democrats who can’t mount a decent defense of their gored ox. Nixon is dead. Obama is the current president of the US, That would make Obama’s anti-semitism far more significant to Jews and Israel than a dead man. Comparing Obama to a discredited dead president is pathetic indeed, and shows us how desperate you are to make him shine, even if you have to use such poor standards. Why not compare him to Hitler or Stalin. People like you will be happy, as he’ll shine by comparison. And Obama was presented to us as the most superior intellect of all presidents and of high ideals that we’re supposed to revere, neither of which has manifested itself. On the contrary, he’s a small, incompetent, vindictive, mean spirited petulant man, who tells outrageous lies constantly and pursues vendettas against his enemies by abusing the power of his IRS, DoJ and other government agencies.

          • George Williams

            My, my, sensitive aren’t we? No. Unless you can prove that he had malicious anti-semitic intent, you’re just expressing phony outrage to intimidate MarioG. It’s a form of bullying that you engage in regularly. Your intent is to foster a form of hostile bigotry against aged white people is very evident. Stereotyping is a form of bigotry, and you are indeed a bigot, many times over. Just because you feel comfortable with it and it’s popular and common among the circles you associate with doesn’t make it otherwise.

          • Rose

            Many old people live in this century and reject right wing lunacy.

          • Integrity

            and embrace left wing lunacy. QED

      • George Williams

        No, that’s not bigotry, that’s fact. The fact is that millions of Jews had sympathies with the communist party after the Russian revolution. And in Germany between the wars, the communist party was an alternative to the Nazis and other nationalist parties in that country. Some came to this country and brought their new religion with them. They supported Stalin, in the name of social justice, just like some other Americans and made fools of themselves when he turned out to be a monster. You are a legacy child of that period, and like them a fool and sycophantic supporter the social justice president, Barack Obama. Like the rest of the nation, there will be a minority of people who lack the intelligence to resist communism, willing to try the same economic system despite the many examples of its failures. I aver that it is you that have hate. You’ve often expressed your bigotry of “old white men”, despite the fact that you are one. Self-loathing is a characteristic of the communist psyche.

        • legal eagle

          would you rather I refer to you as an old “fart” or an old ‘Windbag”?

          • George Williams

            I prefer that you go away.

        • Rose

          I read yesterday about Barry Goldwater, who ran in 1964 as a warmonger, fear-mongering communist-behind-every-tree patriot, and he got clobbered on Election Day. In 1964 George was probably slobbering about communists and he is still at it today. What a jerk!

          • George Williams

            As they say, those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Communism is responsible for more tens of millions more deaths than the Nazis. Little cretins like you have no idea of what you’re saying.

          • Rose

            George, you are clearly a Nazi sympathizer. Why not just state outright your skinhead admiration for Hitler. Ha! The Chinese are communists, but their economy has been thriving, so perhaps you should not use them as an example of economic failure. Americans are far too materialistic to embrace communism. However, communists and socialist party members used to be on ballots in these United States. There just is not much interest in communism these days. Obama and Bush clearly are not communists. Communism does not work well in most countries. It failed in Russia. People know that. Now, please address my points about the Goldwater loss by a landslide. Americans are not fooled by right wing extremists, George. We prefer and elect moderates. Right wingers are scary. They are un-American, too.

          • George Williams

            Specifically, just what did I say that would give a reasonable person the idea that I am a Nazi sympathizer? The Chinese are hardly exemplars of pure communism, but their use of force against their people to maintain their political system is criminal. As to not much interest in communism these days, there’s so much ignorance and complacency in the country by people like you that it’s hardly surprising.

          • George Williams

            The idea that you actually read is indeed shockingly good news. The corner of the stock market covering the comic book trade just increased a thousand points.

      • Jeff Webb

        Thanks for displaying your utter lack of rational thought. You must be a real hit at Huffpo, with all the other bitter left-wing white old longing for the good old days meds-needing cultists.

        • legal eagle

          Have you always been a schmuck or is this a recent phenomenon….I did not call Bernie a guilt ridden Jew ..One of your other moronic posters named Mario G wrote it and I objected to the term, so of course you defend him and attack me…Anything I’m mistaken about?…Is there any right wing crap you won’t defend ? You should be embarrassed…

          • Jeff Webb

            Now now, precious, no need to burst a vessel. I was merely using your m.o. against you.

            >>Anything I’m mistaken about?<<

            Around here there's generally little you AREN'T mistaken about, but in this case you posted as if you aren't a hateful person.

            Get over it, LE, or improve your approach.

          • George Williams

            Yes, and you claimed that you spoke for many others. I suggest that even you do not speak for your family, friends and acquaintances, only for yourself. You claim just shows how arrogant you are.

    • Rose

      You doofuses really need to put your heads together and hopefully form one brain and decide whether Obama is a communist or a Nazi. He cannot be both.

      • MarioG

        Rose – Nazi is short for National Socialist. The Nazi economic philosophy was similar to the communists, i.e. that a group of elites can know what is good for everyone else better than they do. This is the same philosophy as the clueless ideologue Barack Obama’s, who is the real doofus. Most doofuses don’t know this similarity between the Nazis and communists and statists like Obama where economics is concerned.

        Obama is particularly clueless about history. He once said the US was one of the foremost Muslim countries in the world.

        Most doofuses only associate Nazi with the vile, evil Jew haters who actively attempted to wipe Jews off the map. Gee, where did I hear that before? Oh, yes, it is what the Arabs want to do to Israel.

        BTW, did you know the Arabs were allied with the Nazis during WW-II? Now they want to finish what the Nazis were unable to.

        Please wise up and don’t be a doofus yourself.

        • Rose

          Mario, you give new meaning to the word imbicile. You are dumber than a stump.

          • MarioG

            Rose, apparently no one has told you that invective and childish insults are no substitute for facts and logic. You may want to read what I have written again and come up with a more adult response.

  • Joefish13

    Bernie, this was an excellent article and I do believe that
    Ted spoke wrongly albeit I fully understand his frustrations. Honest gun owners have been under severe
    attack for the past decades by the far left who are anxious to restrict and
    obliterate or Second Amendment rights by any means possible. These attacks
    against our rights will continue; and the frustrations of all honest gun owners
    will also continue.. However, I am
    convinced that most Americans do not share this hatred of firearms nor disdain
    the Bill of Rights. Second Amendment
    supporters must remain firm because we are “right.”
    But we also must refrain from outlandish rants such as that of Ted
    Nugent. The war on guns will continue
    but one thing is for sure, none of us will roll over!

    • Sheila Warner

      Wow, and all this time I thought it was the far Left who wants more gun control legislation….

      • Joefish13

        Sheila, I don’t understand what your concern is; it is the far left (i.e. Obama and his ilk) that are attempting to take away our Second Amendment right. However, honest firearm owners cannot make outlandish rants which will only make all of us (me included) look like a bunch of idiotic bumpkins. We must remain firm and express ourselves in an orderly and prudent manner. Don’t give the far left or any other anti-gun groups reasons to attack us especially our intelligence, we’re smarter than that.

  • Mark W. in Oregon

    I agree with you, Bernie. I never even knew who Ted Nugent is until Hannity had him on his program. I thought it was weird then, and still do. Since then, Hannity, O’Reilly and Huckabee have also had him on their programs. I still think it’s weird that they do.
    It is a sorry state when a man cannot express his thoughts without extreme, offensive language. And that goes for everyone in the vast political spectrum.
    Verbalizing what you might say in private to those close to you takes on a very different context when stated publicly.
    Politicians should be quick to denounce extreme language; otherwise their later denouncements are not believable.

    • legal eagle

      Fox News has Nugent on because he’s a clown and the Fox News circus always is looking for additional acts to provoke the haters ….

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        What do all of the other news networks have Nugent on then?

        • legal eagle

          Same reason they show police chases….ratings.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Exactly. It’s the case with all of them.

      • Drew Page

        You should consider requesting an interview with O’Reilly, then the clown act could continue.

      • George Williams

        Keith Olbermann, a man who lives with his mother and can’t drive an auto. Ed Schultz, a nasty ranter against Tea Partiers and first class hater if there ever was one, Bill Maher, a degenerate and misogynist, are all left winger misanthropes who support Obama. They have the ear of the pitchfork and torch bearers of the illiterate left. Talk about haters, one only has to listen to the daily litany of lies, misinformation and slander put out by Obama’s and the Democrats propaganda machine of MSNBC to hear hate. The hate of Obama and his crowd has expanded to his use of the DoJ, IRS, NLRB, the EPA and other agencies to destroy his enemies. The alphabet soup of government agencies to persecute Obama’s enemies grows daily. The Obama administration is Nixon’s on steroids.

    • Sheila Warner

      You mightgt not be aware of who Ted Nugent is if you are very young. It’s been quite some time since O’Reilly had Nugent on his show. (I haven’t watched tonight’s show tonight, yet, so if he was on tonight, sorry). I wonder if Nugent will even go back on the O’Reilly Factor. Bill has a way of direct questioning, and I bet ol’ Ted doesn’t want to accept that dance from the big O man. That is, unless Ted is so full of himself he won’t even notice what O’Reilly throws at him. Megalomaniacs tend to have blind spots.

      • Mark W.

        You made me laugh out loud, Sheila. No, I’m not very young (except at heart!), just not a fan of Ted Nugent’s style of music, so I never heard of him until very recent years. I’m retired and in my late 60’s. My Pandora playlist does not include Ted Nugent. And his wouldn’t look anything like mine, either!

  • The Scarlet Pimpernel

    Yep, there’s the hypocrisy I’ve remarked on before:

    If Uncle Ted calls someone a “subhuman mongrel” then he’s evil and stupid and should apologize and be silenced forevermore.

    If Obama called Uncle Ted a “subhuman mongrel”, that would be regarded as his erudite opinion and would be widely repeated by his followers.

    • Rose

      scarlet pimp, the point is that Obama would not have to resort to that type of language and would not. He has more class than that. Nugent going up against Obama, to use a metaphor he might understand, would be like a peashooter going up against a Howitzer.

      • Rose

        Uncle Ted graduated to Grandpa Ted long ago.

      • George Williams

        Of course when rabid liberals like Ed Schultz and Bill Maher and their ilk call conservatives names, Rose never finds her way to the soap box declaring them uncivil. As to Obama, he never denounces his brood of puppets when they go too far, apparently giving tacit approval to their opinions.

    • Sheila Warner

      Hypotheses are not facts. I highly doubt that President Obama would call any person a subhuman mongrel. For one thing, he has a much better vocabulary than that. For another, it’s not necessary. Folks like Ted Nugent show who they are by their words and actions, and no one has to get into the gutter with them to prove it.

      • George Williams

        No, he doesn’t have to. He has his minions to libel and slander the right. I’ve never heard him ever criticize his foul mouth supporters for their incivility. As far as I’m concerned, that makes him complicit and just as bad as anyone on the right who says things insulting about him. Every time his cretins in the Senate and House lie in his behalf, those of the ilk of Harry Reid it reflects on Obama. He has hundreds of Ted Nugents to do his dirty work for him. They’ve successfully destroyed the Tea Party and they do it every day against ever person who speaks truth to power.

        • Sheila Warner

          I was replying to this comment: “If Obama called Uncle Ted a ‘subhuman mongrel’, that would be regarded as his erudite opinion and would be widely repeated by his followers.”

          The Scarlet Pimpernel made that statement. I pointed out that a hypothesis (or a speculation) is not a fact. And, yes, the President has a much better vocabulary than does Ted Nugent. As for coarse liberals, so what? We emulate bad behavior?

  • nameless

    Oh joy, legal eagle’s wife Rose joined us. Honestly, why don’t they both get in a car accident or something?

    • legal eagle

      Perhaps you should tell your gay boyfriend that it’s not cool to have his head in your lap while you are driving….LOL

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        Three homophobic rants from legal eagle in less than an hour. This is what happens when a “tolerant liberal” gets flustered.

        • tarmac 492

          I don’t down vote, I think it is bush league, but that playground lame “gay boyfriend” comment comes damn close. I hang on movie websites where most that visit are likely liberals, someone would get crucified–as they should–for a lame comment like that in the midst of a political debate.

          • Drew Page

            ‘eagle’ often resorts to name calling. It’s about the best he can do.

    • Rose

      Shameless, there many more where we came from. We are the future. Have a nice day!

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        So… you’re saying that you don’t believe in evolution then?

  • Neil_rouse

    i don’t really care anymore anyway. america is in an unstoppable decline, obama has done too much damage already for there to ever be a real america again, one with a constitution. once government takes power they never give it back and americans no longer have the guts to take it back. this is your world…your ‘new world’ disorder. americans hate each other and it will only get worse.

    • Rose

      Neil, try buying a capital letter.

      • Neil_rouse

        no…not worth the price, seems to work well enough without them to attract trolls.

  • Judy

    Bravo Mr. Goldberg, well said.

  • Florida Jim

    There is no excuse for this comment Nugent is a loudmouth person and , even he, knows it is wrong and harms Conservatives. The left waits for these type comments to use against other conservatives the entire election cycle. Though it doesn’t cut both ways we know it does no good.

  • Will Swoboda

    I believe in the 2nd amendment as well but talk like that really has no place in decent conversation political or otherwise. This is like saying Hitler loved children but leaving out the part about dead Jewish children. I’m a conservative and think Nugent is just showing how he really thinks inside.
    Thanks Bernie

  • travis690

    I just wanted to clarify in my earlier comment that all the references to “you” were not in any way intended to be personal attacks directed at Mr. Goldberg; they were generic uses of individuals or groups that were or would criticize the thoughts expressed by me.

    • LHS

      Are you a mouthpiece by any chance, travis690? Just askin’.

  • PeteK

    Well done Bernie. It’s about policing ourselves, integrity, and incredibility.

  • Cecilio Méndez

    Mr. Goldberg, I am as divided on this subject-matter as you are. I think MSM crossed a line, a decency line, sometime in the past. And no one seemed to care then. Now we ALL are afflicted with the gang-mentality excuse for violence – “I kill one of them because they killed one of ours.” As long as people like Bill Mahers (and others) are given an “out of jail” card by the liberal groups in the media, there will be enough justification to have Ted Nugent (and others) on the flip side. There are times when violence, verbal in this case, is the only solution. Who is going to shut-up first?

    • Jack in MD

      Goldberg’s article is about rhetoric. I love conservatives, like us, to speak from the heart, and to speak truths that are self evident. But we must choose the words carefully and not go down a loosing pathway, because of a silly simple minded avoidable statement. Like Ted Nugent’s potentially “racist” remarks. In a fit of anger (daily) I refer to BHO in very unfavorable terms, alone in my car or living room. If we want to win this country back, for those who gave so much for it, is it too much to ask for all of us, to be careful about the words we choose?

      • legal eagle

        Keep talking to yourself or your TV screen….Your family probably is thankful they don’t have to listen to your hatred…

        • tarmac 492

          this coming from a guy who made a comment about another man’s “gay boyfriend” with their head in their lap while driving? Not very liberal of you, slick.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I had no idea until today how much animosity who holds toward gay people. Pretty interesting.

          • tarmac 492

            Yup. The left is the side who is for gay marriage, correct? For the record in case legal brands me a homophobe–I too am for gay marriage and I am also on the right. I believe the Christian thing to do in this day and age is to live and let live. Legal should try that. He may find some happiness.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I remember how the late Andrew Breitbart used to show up at liberal rallies. When the left-wingers would get mad at him, they’d call him anti-gay names. Pretty fascinating for sure.

    • LHS

      The robots will not like your comment at all, Cecilio.

  • barry

    I am more concerned with both sides of the media thinking it is wrong and unconstitutional (?) to disagree with their side of the story. The liberal media especially, in my mind, as they gleefully attack anyone who disagrees with the president – labeling it as racist.

  • cantonst

    Obama is NOT a sub-human mongrel…the rest is most likely true…my pet dogs are sub-human mongrels and I like them a hell of a lot better than most humans. Human have God’s gift of intelligence and free will, which they misuse routinely.

    • D Parri

      It really does say something when you know that your pet dog can be trusted far beyond the trust given to our president.

  • JUST ME

    Ted Nugent words are wrong,I would hope that all the this name calling and saying things that hurt and are untrue would stop.I know they won’t, to many people have so much hate. We do not talk to each other or try to hear,and to me that is sad.We live in a world with so much and some with nothing.The ones with everything stand back and tell everyone what they should do.The people just trying to get by, work and keep going.I am one of the have not’s I’m glad because,I have read some of your comments tonite I feel sorry for you.

  • Rose

    Note to Bernard: Someone once said that no matter what club we join or what position we take, we always can look around and see some people who will make us regret being on that side. I suspect you are looking around and wondering just what the Hell you have in common with Ted Nugent. I switched and voted for Obama because I just could not identify with the bigoted, anti-intellectual, homophobic, misogynistc voices that seemed to drown out all others in the GOP or with the ridiculous candidates they were putting forth. I detest talk radio. It is a plague upon the nation, and most of the talk radio hosts are right wing nuts. I do not want a female in office who cannot name one single newspaper …. Not one. I do not want more soldiers to die in unnecessary, unfunded and unwinnable wars. I don’t think that camo and bunkers and crude language is patriotic. I am from the Deep South but I do not worship at the altar of the NRA and am very interested in responsible gun ownership. I used to watch Fox News, but they got too crazy for me. Obama put them over the edge. Fox is a joke now. Yes, other networks have a liberal bias, but if you are going to be biased, maybe it is better to be biased in favor of rationality. I am proud that I voted for Obama twice. I regret my two votes for George W. Because of the wars. Right wing extremism is killing the Republican Party.

    • LHS

      I respectfully ask you to leave and take up residence in Russia. It’s already a Commumist/Socialist society, so you won’t have to wait for our country to completely “transform”. You can live in equal misery immediately. Wake the hell up, Rose.

      • Rose

        LHS, if crazy Ted Nugent put a gun to your head, you could not define or discuss communism. You should leave the country. I like the direction it is taking. Go to a country that has no socialized medicine, no tolerance for other lifestyles or religions, no people with alternate views. You will be much happier there with your own kind. Meanwhile, the rest of us will enjoy the freedoms and rights here in America, a place you clearly despise. Bon Voyage!

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          lol! What? So many contradictions in just a single post.

        • Sheila Warner

          “Go to a country that has no socialized medicine, no tolerance for other lifestyles or religions, no people with alternate views.” You should have stopped at “religions”. If you want someone to leave the country because of his views, then you might as well accompany him. Seems like you don’t tolerate other views, either….

    • Skeptic

      “I switched and voted for Obama…” you said. Based on the rest of your comments, I really don’t believe you. That is, you didn’t switch at all… your values were already very liberal. Your claim of voting twice for George W. doesn’t hold up… not once. And especially not twice.

      • Rose

        Alas I am one of many independent thinkers who looked at the parade of Republican primary candidates and said, No way. Not everyone is a slave to a party. If the party goes down the toilet, I am under no obligation to follow. One reason you lost is because of women like me. We were not amused by GOP chest-thumping.

        • Integrity

          Do you really expect us to believe this? It defies logic. QED

      • Sheila Warner

        Nice. Imply that someone is a liar. I bet you support Ted Nugent, too, don’t you?

        • Skeptic

          It wasn’t implied.

          • Sheila Warner

            I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. Calling someone a liar is an ad hominem attack, just like Nugent’s. I suppose I should not be surprised to find people down in the gutter with ol’ Ted.

          • Skeptic

            In this case, it is the pattern of the argument. People make all sorts of claims on these blogs, claiming to be one thing or another. Granted, some people have a “road to Damascus” moment. But, having read so many of Roses comments, it appears unlikely that she would have surrendered even moderate values to vote for Mr. Obama… perhaps once, caught up in all of the hoopla of race and false promises. But not twice, based on performance. She would have voted for an alternate candidate or not voted at all.
            . And, no, I do not approve of Ted Nugent’s outrageous comments. I don’t like his music, either.

    • Drew Page

      And Obama’s left wing, socialist agenda is killing self-reliance here in America. You voted for the Liar-In-Chief twice, you deserve what you get.

  • Bob Olden

    All that needs to be said is that Obama is a failure. He failed to solve the problems of our economy, he failed to maintain our military and diplomatic strength around the world, he failed to uphold the constitution by respecting the limitations of presidential power, he failed to protect our diplomats in Lybia, he failed to protect the unborn and the sanctity of marriage, his seizure of the health insurance industry is a spectacular failure, and the list could go on and on. Whatever the reason, he simply can’t do the job! Why complicate things by using derogatory labels?

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      lol. Good point.

      • Rose

        Obama is called a failure by racists because they do not want to see a black man as the most powerful and influential man on earth. Well, live with it, he got elected twice and he is doing great job. Next comes Hillary. Most racist are also womwn-haters, so get your crying towels out now, pansy-boys. Obama is a nice guy. Hillary will crush your little egos under her heels!

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Yep, you’re legal eagle’s wife. lol.

          • Rose

            What about your wife, John-boy? Does she brush your tooth for you?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            It took you 16 hours to come up with that response? lol.

        • legal eagle

          Rose…Ignore John Daly…he’s just a right wing hater without any ideas other than those he sees on Fox News…he and his cult members will soon be whining when Hillary becomes President…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Can’t you just talk to her instead of using the Internet? She’s sitting in the same room for God’s sake!

        • tarmac 492

          “Hillary will crush your little egos under her heels.”
          I have no doubt. If you only believe one tenth of what you hear about her, you would have think she does have some qualities of a totalitarian dictator throwing tantrums anytime something breaks against her.
          If you see the original The Manchurian Candidate Angela Landsbury foretold Hillary quite chillingly, only she seemed to have more serpentine grace under pressure than Mrs. Clinton.

          • Rose

            Tarmac, Hillary does not suffer fools gladly. She is highly intelligent and won’t back down. You guys say the country needs a stronger leader. Well, fasten your seatbelt. Hillary will be the answer to your prayers.

          • tarmac 492

            she should take a look at herself in the mirror then.
            She has had her share of less than stellar moments.

          • Integrity

            I liked how she stood up to President Clinton and ended his predatory behavior towards women. LOL QED

      • Tri3

        I never liked you when you hosted “What’s My Line” John Daly and you drink too much when you play golf.

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Yeah, but I’m a snappy dresser.

          • LHS

            LOL. John, I feel like I’ve known you for a long time. Nice parry.

        • legal eagle

          You didn’t like John Daly on “What’s My Line”? I never heard anyone say they didn’t like John Daly….

      • legal eagle

        I hope you and your boyfriend Jeff Webb live in a State that permits gay marriage…

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Look everyone. More homophobic rants by legal eagle! Shocking… only not really.

        • Jeff Webb

          lol Seeing that John has a wife and so do I, the state in question would have to permit polygamy.

          Referencing homosexuality when attempting to insult others, eh? I guess I was wrong to assume that your bigotry was limited to black people.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Can you imagine how much legal eagle must detest gay people who happen to be black. Yikes.

          • Jeff Webb

            Remember how to render a liberal completely speechless?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Remind me.

          • Jeff Webb

            Hire a black lesbian to block the entrance to an abortion clinic with a hybrid SUV.

            One of my personal faves.
            http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/dear-jeff/

    • legal eagle

      The only failure is your ability to come up with an original thought…

      • Jeff Webb

        >>The only failure is your ability to come up with an original thought…<<

        You said it, pally! No doubt using the exact same words as all the other bitter, old, white, left wing men longing for the gold old days who haven't taken their meds.

    • Sheila Warner

      He failed to uphold the sanctity of marriage? He has been a model husband and father. If you are referring to gay marriage, I have been married to my husband for 31 years. No married gay couple has hurt my marriage. I don’t think the sanctity of my own marriage has been in jeopardy at all.

      • Bob Olden

        I wonder if you will feel the same 10 years from now. Institutions that are developed over hundreds or thousands of years can be deconstructed in less than a generation when the foundation is eroded. And you really don’t appreciate some things until they are gone. Marriage must be vigorously protected or it will become meaningless. Obama has failed to take a stand on this vital issue.

        Gay couples don’t hurt my marriage either, but if marriage becomes meaningless in our society, I fear for the happiness of my grandchildren.

  • saintecroix

    I didn’t cringe when Nugent said these things…i smiled and thought, someone gets it, someone see’s Obama for what he really is and isn’t afraid to say it.

    • Rose

      Yeah, well maybe that’s because you and Ted have the same taste in hats. Your hat is making me cringe.

  • travis690

    I am one who is sick and tired of always having to listen to the same selective outrage. At this point, I don’t care how the “victim” of a foul-mouthed rant feels about what was said about them; I know they will say they were insulted, and that the offender must apologize. I get it. People are going to say ill-thought-out things. Sticks and stones may break my bones, blah, blah, blah.

    To those media enablers that just want to get the opinion of the offended individual: I don’t want to listen to you.

    It has reached the point where I want to close by saying that you (or anyone else) has every right to be offended by what I may say or print. And I don’t care about your feelings, because I won’t apologize for those who take offense to me.

    • Rose

      Obama is not the least bit offended by that buffoon Nugent. I hope the idiot keeps putting his big foot in his big mouth over and over because it wins votes for the non Tea Party candidates, especially at the national level. The left loves it when Nugent makes a fool of himself.

      If brains were gasoline, Nugent would not have enough fuel to power a pisant’s motorcycle around a BB. Now, I hope nobody on the far right gets all offended.

      • LHS

        Who’s offended? We just think you’re a feeble-minded, indoctrinated lemming. No surprise here. How’s that for a hateful tone, Rose. Have a nice nervous breakdown. It’s coming.

        • Rose

          You seem a bit agitated LHS. Maybe you need more oxygen in that bunker. Watch out! I see a drone hovering overhead. Obama is turning you into a gay commie!

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Again with the homophobia? What has happened to the left-wing dynamic duo today? Marriage troubles?

    • legal eagle

      No one gives a crap about what you write so don’t worry about offending anyone…

  • Missourimule

    But, Bernard (assuming you’re reading all these), here’s something you overlook . . . Ted Nugent represents exactly one person . . . Ted Nugent. And as such, he’s free to say anything he wants to say, and shouldn’t be bullied into a faux apology for it — especially, if he believed it in the first place. The fact that he said it doesn’t mean that ALL conservatives or ALL Republicans believe that, or would say it — but if Esmerelda Hendkerschwartz, who lives down the street, happens to make a similar remark about Obama, or Bush, or Ted Cruz, or Harry Reid, I doubt if anyone’s going to call on her to apologize — and neither should Ted.

    • legal eagle

      Let me know when Esmerelda campaign for political candidates …

    • Rose

      I see blatant racism and anti-female sentiment in that name you made up.

      • Missourimule

        What? She’s clearly a participant in a marriage of mixed ethnic heritage . . . . how much more desirable an example could I have found?

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        I’m sure you probably do.

  • Rose

    Amazing how so many right wing nuts suffer from the delusion that people like Nugent, Akin, Palin, Cruz, etc. help their side and hurt President Obama and Hillary Clinton. Hello? The camo and Tea Party brigade helped get Obama elected twice and will get Hillary elected, too. Rational people find extremists just too crazy and disgusting. Fox News has all those viewers, but they did not hurt Obama one bit. He even got the Affordable Care Act passed. So keep on raving, and say hello to President Hillary! And thanks for all your help!

    • legal eagle

      The right wing whiners moan and groan so much about Obama because they are still embarrassed about the disaster known as George W. Bush…Remember when he claimed that he was “The Decider” and wore that absurd pilot suit while proclaiming “Mission Accomplished? LMAO

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        Chuck, we have a love connection.

        • Rose

          John, I wish you and Chuck the happiest of lives.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            More homophobia from you lefties today. You’re setting a record.

      • George Williams

        At least the Bush family actually served their country, both being pilots. Obama was just a Chicago community organizer, another name for a strong arm bully who used race to extort money from local businesses. He was little better than an Al Capone or collection man for the mob. Obama has done nothing but feather his own political nest, a caricature, an Eddy Murphy of “Trading Places” ilk.

        • legal eagle

          Beware..George Williams has finally awoken from his long nap…..Let’s get ready for some long winded rhetoric from the geriatric department…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I think it’s cute when you pretend not to be a senior citizen yourself, legal.

          • Rose

            I think you guys would be happy in Beijing. The Chinese just pump out pollution 24/7 leaving the environment in the hands of the All-Mighty. You would have to wear a mask every day, but you would not have to hear about regulations or climate change.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Ah yes. Because if you don’t subscribe to global warming alarmism, that obviously means you don’t want any limits on pollution. That’s what I like about yah, Rose: Your deductive reasoning.

          • George Williams

            The wind of your rhetoric comes from your posterior.

  • Dan Smith

    Barrak Obama’s entire Presidency is a Dawg [Mongrel means 'Mutt' look it up] and aren’t mongrels subhuman? Ted Nugent is essentially correct.

    • D Parri

      Hussein Obama’s entire administration is the biggest failure, now eclipsing Jimmy Carter’s epic disaster.

      If Carter had been availed of the ‘shield’ of being black, then maybe he could have seen two terms. Sorry, Jimmy.

      • Rose

        Obama has outsmarted you nitwits at every turn, and Karl Rove even had you convinced Romney was going to win by a landslide. Romney was dragged down by the Tea Party anchor because he was afraid to call the crazies crazy. I remember Nugent appearing on stage with Romney. Fat lot of good he did Mitt.

        • George Williams

          You’d praise Al Capone for staying out of jail, Rose. Obama has had a lot of help from sycophants like you, people who ignore his excesses and crimes against the Constitution. No, he hasn’t outsmarted us, but duped you and other ignorant people into doing his illicit bidding and turning a blind eye with your ends justifies means ethics.

          • legal eagle

            The last time I looked Rose had only one vote just like you….

          • Rose

            George thinks I single-handily elected Obama. Ha! Look in the mirror Georgie. not enough people wanted what you were peddling. It’s the American way, sore loser!

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Nah. There were plenty of sheep in that flock.

          • George Williams

            ACORN made sure that people like Rose and you could vote early and often. And of course, they’re rabid sycophantic activists who spend their lives combing the streets for alcoholics and drug addicts offering them a meal and a buck on election day and a ride to the voting booth.

        • D Parri

          The problem for you is that you keep getting the terms “lie” and “outsmart” mixed up.

          Obama won both elections by being the biggest liar on the planet.

          The first go ’round was excusable concerning the American people’s gullibility, but the second was a continuation of the worst deception perpetrated on the American people in the history of the nation.

          Rose, this lying devil makes you proud…stay with him, please.

        • Integrity

          Obama outsmarted you; I did not vote for him. QED

      • legal eagle

        Like George Bush?

      • Rose

        Bet you wish you could be black too, D. They have such great lives. But then you would have to sacrifice that red neck.

        • George Williams

          Black was an asset to Obama. White guilt was a reason why many on the left voted for a man who had absolutely no qualifications to become POTUS. He was a community organizer, a Jesse Jackson with a all the ethics of Al Sharpton, and nothing more.

    • legal eagle

      Thanks for you bigotry… Now go back to cleaning the toilet..

      • Dan Smith

        If President Obama was white, I would say the same thing.

        • Jeff Webb

          He IS white.

  • susan colvin

    I do not try and lower myself to call the President names. Where are all the liberals when they were calling President Bush names even made a movie about the assassination of a sitting President did not hear one objection. It works both ways.

    • D Parri

      And where was the indignation among the liberals when Bill Maher referred to Sarah Palin as a c*nt?

      The knife that cuts both ways is sharp.

      • Rose

        Palin looks like a meth head these days. She is very gaunt and jaundiced. And she still can’t name a newspaper.

        • Jeff Webb

          Yeah! And my, how idiotic she was for talking about an Austrian language, not to mention the classic “intercontinental railroad” flub.

          Oh, wait…

  • D Parri

    Surprise folks, most individuals out there in campaign land would not give much thought–least of all, a second thought–to Nugent’s comments.

    The political news buoyancy comes from the fact that the November races will be a life or death struggle for the democratic party, and this is a potential ‘catch’ of a GOP candidate gaffe.

    Sorry, spinners, the ‘common folks’ have heard much worse thanks to the Demo-Head campaign brutalities already inflicted.

    • Rose

      The mid-term elections are important, but Congress has a ranking in the teens with so-called common folk. The Presidency is the jewel in the crown for any party.

  • D Parri

    No one may confuse Abbott with a “profile in courage”, but please let me know if you ever hear Mr. Nugent run from, or shy away from his statements or political views.

    If, in the future, a political race is won solely on the basis of courage and honesty, then I think Mr. Nugent would certainly be a viable competitor.

    • Rose

      Ted Nugent courageous? Oh, please. He is the very epitome of an alligator mouth and a hummingbird you-know-what. I hear he is a draft dodger, too.

      • D Parri

        No, he is not a draft dodger, but you are a filth-spreading troll. Try his hummingbird out some time. I just believe that you’ll find out something else about his alligator mouth.

        • Rose

          First hand experience with Ted, D?

          • Rose

            D, there is no reason to be crude. Such suggestive remarks are uncalled for. I simply repeated an old southern saying and you twisted into something vulgar. I am flagging your remarks.

  • Frank Weaver

    Agreed ted is way out of line, with his word selection. I do BELIEVE POTUS Obama IS RACIST. It’s obvious in his actions. Its ashame especially since he preached so much about bringing America closer together instead he’s divided us even further apart.

    • D Parri

      Unfortunately, he has chosen to capitalize upon his race and he has used his blackness–technically only 50%–as a shield to protect him from issues that a ‘more white’ POTUS would be exposed to.

      He is a divider because he has always ascribed to the tactics of “divide and conquer”, itself not a bad military approach, but as a leader of one nation who claims to be interested in unifying the nation it tends to then be quite hypocritical.

      • Rose

        Obama did not divide the nation. The year 2000 sealed that deal. I actually voted for Dubya, but Dubya was not batshit crazy like the Tea Party. I voted for Obama because I was tired of GOP war-mongering and sucking up to the NRA crowd. And both McCain and Romney were lousy candidates and would have been lousy presidents. I am proud of my Obama vote. If any party has deserved to lose, it is the GOP.

        • Brian Fr Langley

          Not to be a but inski, but what exactly do you consider “batshit” crazy? Opposition to abortion? (around 50% in polls oppose unfettered abortion rights) Opposition to gay marriage? (Obama opposed it himself only 2 yrs. ago). Oppostion to giant deficits and debts? (Cities all over America are actually facing bankruptcy as the direct result of giant deficits and debts, should the Nation follow their lead)? Support for constitutional Government? (you know the law the President swore to uphold). Welfare reform? (you know, like Clinton did). So just what exactly is “batshit” crazy?

          • Rose

            Batshit crazy is defined by many things. 1. Imagining that simply owning a gun makes you safer or that waving one around makes you capable of protecting yourself or others. And I own a gun, btw. 2. Failing to understand that an election has an outcome and reflects the will of the people. The Constitution/our laws do not guarantee that your candidate will win every time or even once, for that matter. 3. Saying absurd things about women and their reproductive rights such as God wanted a child who is the victim of rape to be conceived in exactly that way. 4. Being a religious freak who corrupts and pollutes Christianity or any other faith for his/her own reasons. 5. Having an ignorant view of other countries, foreigners, etc. 6. Mixing patriotism and religion as if God were an American Republican. 7. Vigilante injustice in the persona of M. Dunn and others. 8. Failing to appreciate the system given us by our founders by imagining one person can turn the country communist overnight. 9. Claiming to live the country but being a pathological sore loser when your candidate is rejected. 10. Thinking that Obama could be a communist, a socialist and a Nazi at the same time. 11. Discounting all science in favor of Biblical yarns from the fifth century.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            1. Nonsense, you have no idea what folks imagine? (unless you’re batshit crazy) 2. True, so why is Obama bypassing congress. They also reflect the will of the people who elected them.3. Even if someone who belonged to the tea party said that, 1 wacko bird does not a whole movement make.4.???? 5. ????? 6. ????? 7.????? 8. Once you surrender constitutional principles (think 1930’s Germany) things can go downhill very, very, fast. 9. Sore loser? I think not. The U.S. is NOT a democracy, it is a Republic. That means the nation is Governed by the “rule of law”. Unlike Kings of old, U.S. Presidents can NOT do what ever they want, (even if elected my strong majorities), they like the rest of us, must obey the law. 10. The truth is Nazi’s were socialists. The word comes from the “National Socialist Party”. (in German of course) The main difference in Nazi’ism vs communism, was communists were internationalists while Nazi’s were hard core nationalists. 10. Polls still show more that half of Americans do NOT support belief in Darwinian evolution. So it’s not just tea partiers who are batshit crazy in this regard. So are most Americans.

        • D Parri

          You don’t need to convince me how crazy you are. After all, you voted for Obama twice…that says it all.

      • Rose

        Well, I certainly capitalize on my whiteness, but I somehow think my intelligence, education and common sense have helped me more. Obama is extremely intelligent and is a very astute politician. He has benefitted from his good looks, charisma, education and political skills. I say good for him! Maybe you are just jealous!

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          All of what you said about Obama is true. The problem is that he’s just an awful president.

        • D Parri

          Obama is the worst president that this world has ever known. If you like him for your president, then you can keep him for your president–forever. Just please take it to another country…maybe Mars!

  • PatrickG

    While I generally admire this column the Bill Maher comparison is a false equivalence Bill is a brilliant professional comedian who skewers anyone for a laugh. Moreover, no mainstream Democrat (and i am assuming someone who will be the next governor of Texas qualifies as mainstream) would openly campaign with Bill Maher because his provocative comedy and his unpredictability.

  • @philschaeffer

    Mt Goldberg,
    Kudos! You are credit to journalism. In full disclosure, I am a liberal but what makes us great as a country is our civility. Totally agree on the team theory, goes on with both sides. As an American, thanks for writing this piece!

  • Rose

    I would love to see old man Nugent strapped to the hood of a pick up like one of the beautiful creatures he glories in slaughtering, then driven through the backwoods by Bubba for a few hundred miles. At least the fool got rid of that pathetic goatee.

    • TheOriginalDonald

      Liberal civility at its finest

      • Rose

        Glad you approve! Nugent is a blight on the land. Just having him here reduces our collective IQ by at least twenty points. But he serves a purpose. He and others like him helped get Obama elected twice and will help get Hillary elected, too! So rave on, lunatics! Crazy never wins elections.

        • TheOriginalDonald

          Stupid does, and if I moved YOUR plate six inches you’d starve to death, sweetie #NMMNG

          • Rose

            Your love of Ted Nugent is impressive, Donny Boy. I eat very well, but thanks for your concern. You might try feeding your mind as well as your gut, old buddy.

          • TheOriginalDonald

            Nice try, sweetie, but if you want civility you better be just as civil. #ThinkClassyAndYoullBeClassy

      • Integrity

        Notice that she did not deny being a liberal. QED

        • TheOriginalDonald

          and YET….she’d demand civility from The Motor City Madman.

  • Paul Jackson

    I do not like Liberal racism….which you alluded to when mentioning the sliming of Sarah Paiin, and their fondness of calling Tea Party Americans, Tea Baggers and racist yokels, who depend on their Bibles and Guns etc. – etc. – etc. – and we (who claim the moral high ground called Consevatism) make excuses for Jackasses like Nugent. It is no different than the rank and file Democrats calling Bill Clinton’s Jackass behavior (a la Lewinski, Paula Jones…blah, blah, blah) turned into perjury: “As only about SEX?”
    Soooooo, before I appear to be repeating the above column by Mr.Goldberg, let me simply – simplify the issues concerning that SIMPLETON TED NUGENT: Not only are we a shallow country sharply divided into two camps called Red and Blue, Liberal and Conservative (for lack of better terms). We are only united by our mutual Adoration of so called celebrities of any stripe or configuration from Ted Nugent who tells our president to suck his gun barrel to Paris HIlton who has and will suck on…….need I say more?
    Our nations problems will NEVER be close to solved until we all step back and ask ourselves one question: How long would those Pioneers of old made it on those unforgiving prairie hovels with our present day values and work ethic and shallow ways?
    NO I am not preaching back to the earth, that Old Time Religion or making claim to such ancestry. I merely point out that we….as a people are acting more like lemmings than Nation builders. I am ashamed of us all. Me Included. How do I loathe the average American Voter? Let me count the ways.
    Paul Jackson

  • Rose

    Ted Nugent is the greatest proof we have of the dumbing down and coarsening of the American culture. He is a bloodthirsty buffoon.

  • Jeff Teare

    Negent said these remarks over a month ago why is it news now

    • Bernie

      jeff

      because he was campaigning with a serious candidate for governor of a major state, texas.

  • Sheila Warner

    With all due respect to the Nugent fans, Nugent’s remarks were disgusting. No matter how much one might disagree with the President’s policies, to refer to him as “sub-human” anything is just truly despicable. As for those foul mouthed liberal commentators, who cares? You don’t get down into the gutter with people already in the gutter to make a point. Disgusting. I hope O’Reilly never has Nugent on his show again.

    • AbdullahtheButcher

      Or at least make him apologize. I intensely dislike Obama and his ideology, but I agree calling him that was going too far. I myself would call him a overrated, incompetent Chicago machine politician who’s in way over his head.

      • D Parri

        I respect your feelings, but do not make the mistake of believing that Obama would think twice about smearing you down the tracks if it made sense for him politically.

        Obama has no remorse regarding the intentional ruination of this country’s healthcare insurance industry for the perceived benefit of gaining a legacy that will never be.

        There are times when you must fight fire with fire.

      • Rose

        If Obama is so incompetent, why do we have an Affordable Care Act? While you bozos were obsessing about his birth certificate, he gave us health care and is pulling us out of Bush’s futile and obscene wars.

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          >>If Obama is so incompetent, why do we have an Affordable Care Act?

          Democratic majorities in the House and Senate. Was that supposed to be a stumper question? lol.

        • LHS

          Rose, he didn’t “give” us healthcare. It’s costIng ALL of us “the farm”, to use an old accurate expression. You’re as blind and ignorant as all the other Obama voters. How did you people get that concrete wall crammed into your skulls, blocking all logic and reason? It’s a real mystery. Never mind. I know.

        • George Williams

          No, you equate an insurance system with health care. Health care is what doctors do. Insurance is what you buy from people who pay doctors on your behalf. It’s a fact that what Obama has done is to attempt to make doctors and hospitals chattel and expect them to accept their place in the world, in spite of ruining their profession. Hospitals are going out of business and doctors will retire early and would be doctors will no longer enter the profession. Obamacare is little better than an attempt at price-fixing health care without regard to the outcome. Someday, when you need a hospital and a doctor, you wont find one, and then you can send a thank you note to your hero. We can thank chumps like you for our miseries.

        • AbdullahtheButcher

          And yet it looks like the so called “Affordable Care Act” may well be one big fiasco. as for wars, he got us into Libya, and the jury’s still out on Syria. Yet, I don’t notice you Obots complaining about any of that.

        • Integrity

          You said in an earlier post that you switched and voted for Obama. Does that mean that you voted for Bush twice? LOL. QED

  • http://www.sergiomichel.com/ Sergio Michel

    Bernard,

    Although I enjoy your commentary, I must say you are totally wrong about Nugent. First being, comparing Nugent’s context of saying ‘Sub-Human Mongrel’ RE: Barry O. Comparing Ted to Slave Owners & Nazis? Making it anything more than an ad-hominem argument is ridiculous.

    1) NO white musician has been more complimentary or appreciative for blacks in rock music than Ted Nugent. The way the man speaks of Chuck Berry for instance, it’s almost as if he wished he WERE Chuck Berry. Name ONE current black (c)Rapper who pays homage to ANY American Black Musician of yesteryear at all, let alone fawn over them like Ted does. So racist implication behind ‘Mongrel’ comment, hardly.

    2) NAZI’s?!?!? I can from first hand experience say, that I had the honor and PRIVILEGE to be targeted on Twitter by Islamists in a tweet by some guy in Qatar saying that I and Ted Nugent are American Rock Stars that openly support ISRAEL. I lost 3,000+ Middle Eastern fans in one day alone on my Facebook fan page. So, no Bernie, I must say you are dead wrong on this one. I have Hebrew ancestry as well, and from a demi-Jew to a Jew, I can assure you Ted Nugent is no Nazi and a friend of our ancestral homeland and it’s people, unlike the Sub-Human Mongrel who’d like to see it destroyed.

    So what’s left? #EXACTLY The LEFT’s talking points. These attacks on Nugent sound like some Leftists whaaaambulance rhetoric. Bernie, at least Ted has the balls to tell the truth. Did Obama get to you like he got to O-Reilley after that interview? LOL! No you all are going after his critics too? LOL!

    Asking rhetorical questions on Obama’s upbringing, Communist ties and his hatred for America/Constitution is better? No way man, you should be behind Ted.

    Keep up the good work Uncle Ted!!!!!!!!!

    sergiomichel(dot)com

    • PatrickG

      Of course, he’d wish he was Chuck Berry, Chuck Berry was talented.

      • legal eagle

        I would say that Keith Richards, a little bigger star than Ted Nugent, was so enamored and complimentary of Chuck Berry that he made a movie featuring Chuck…

        • PatrickG

          Chuck Berry is legend. Ted Nugent is well……

    • Rose

      It is impossible to be a communist, socialist and Nazi at the same time, something the average Tea Nut does not know.

    • legal eagle

      Great endorsement of Ted Nugent by a former guitar tuner…Ted said nice things about Chuck Berry therefore he cannot be a racist.
      Ted Nugent is a has been..His buddy Sergio is a never was..

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        Good point. It’s best just to presume racism in all cases.

    • http://www.sergiomichel.com/ Sergio Michel

      You know, you’re not worth a response, Feeble Beagle, yet, here goes. 1, my logic is sound, you can’t be labeled a racist for bashing one guy who happens to be black, when you spend your whole life giving homage to blacks. 2, Ted Nugent is a relevant media personality and a musician who packs houses all over the world not a hasbeen. 3 By God’s good graces I am also a relevant political media personality Nationally, a bonified entertainment celebrity worlwide (a fact supported by various high profile media appearances, worlwide media coverage, and international coverage and support of my music), have hit songs popular internationally, a slew of endorsements and the respect and friendship of legendary artists of all genres from all decades. So, be not surprised if your idiocy gets no rise out of me. Both I and Uncle Ted are far better people and far more accomplished than you’ll ever be. LOL!

      PS: I think I can get you signed Uncle Ted/Sergio autographed photo.

      sergiomichel(dot) com

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        “you can’t be labeled a racist for bashing one guy who happens to be black”

        In all fairness to legal eagle, his contention isn’t that bashing a black guy is racist. His contention is that if you’re a CONSERVATIVE and bashing a black guy, it’s racist.

        As we all know, calling Alan West and Herman Cain “token blacks” and “uncle toms” as Legal Eagle often does is NOT racist because he’s a liberal.

        Makes sense?

        • Integrity

          It does to liberals! QED

  • F16JetJock

    Regardless, Mr. Goldberg, Mr. Nugent is telling the truth. In fact, Mr. Nugent neglected to add that BHO is also a liar, imposter, only a native-born citizen** and thus a usurper of the White House because of his ineligibility as per Article 2; Section 1; Clause 5 of the Constitution.

    Furthermore, Mr. Goldberg, Mr. Nugent, labeled BHO a “subhuman mongrel” individually. This is inconsequential compared to Adolf Hitler labeling a whole race of people the same with the intent to subjugate, incarcerate and murder. Indeed, Mr. Nugent’s comments only have the intent to help cause Congress to investigate the veracity of BHO followed with his arrest or impeachment. Further, Mr. Nugent’s anger is not only directly at BHO but also against Congress and the whole corrupt U.S. court system for failure to permit at least “discovery” in over thirty “eligibility” cases filed with Superior and Federal courts.

    ** He’s not even native-born if he remains a citizen-immigrant of Indonesia, and was instead born in British East Africa Protectorate (now Kenya) as BHO and the American UPI press (UPI) claimed prior to 2007. Moreover, Kenyan authorities and BHO’s Kenyan grandmother still adamantly claim that BHO was born at Coast Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

    • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

      Inconsequential compared to Hitler? Not the best defense I’ve ever heard. lol.

    • legal eagle

      Typical comment from the RWNJ’s who infest the Tea Party…I’m sure you will hear from some who claim that Obama the black Muslim from Indonesia is the devil incarnate…

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        I’m just happy that you finally found a legitimate RWNJ after all applying that term to practically everyone to the right of Barbara Streisand. This must be a very exciting day for you, legal!

        • legal eagle

          It’s Barbra to you….

        • legal eagle

          I didn’t find him…Your site attracts them like flies to dog crap…

          • toddyo1935

            Perhaps you can explain the combined application of the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity in a chaotic environment? Especially one that leads to harmony. I can track it easily among Constitutional Conservatives, but impossible from the mindset of a “progressive.” Maybe you can help us.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            It attracts all kinds – including the hard left. You’re evidence of that.

      • allen goldberg

        Legal Eagle..you have nothing at all to contribute. Go back to HuffPO..or pull you head from your backside and stop talking like the libtard that you are.

        • legal eagle

          Maybe you can pull your hand out of your pants and stop playing with yourself?

      • allen goldberg

        nothing to contribute Legal Eagle go back to HuffPO

    • rose

      JetJock? Oh, please. I am sure you are as manly as Nugent and even more stupid. The sight of Obama in the WH reminds you of just what a cretin you are. Ted Cruz is a communist and a Canadian, but because he is an ignorant as you are, you support him.

    • PatrickG

      Crazy often?

  • DaddyO

    I gotta agree with Roadmaster. If it wasn’t for the fact that so many Americans agree with Ted, liberals wouldn’t a minute condemning his remarks.

    • allen goldberg

      Note: liberals can do and say anything they want…from Maddow to the HBO slime Maher..and all of that is okay…but one over the top remark? And the entire world is ending.

      • Bernie

        Allen

        Who says “all of that is okay”? you can’t turn on conservative radio or TV without hearing justifiable complaints about left wing smears. And for the record everyone: Allen and I are NOT related.

    • Rose

      Hmmm if so many Americans agree with Nugent, why has Obama won twice? Tee Hee. Keep telling yourselves that the average American is a nut. It helps our side. Crazy entertains crazy but it does not win elections. Hello, Madame President Hillary Clinton!

      • D Parri

        Because Hussein (tee hee hee) chose to lie and lie and lie and perpetuate all the lies necessary to deceive the people.
        TEE HEE HEE !

        Yeah, real funny when the president of the United States can stand up in front of the nation and tell the same lies for five years and show not a smidgeon of remorse.

        I hope you are proud of the despicable character they’ve shown.

    • D Parri

      You have focused upon the key issue.

      If Nugent wasn’t so widely accepted in his comments, then the liberals wouldn’t give it a glance. However, a majority of people feel the same as Nugent and it stands as a risk for the left.

      The indignation taken by the Left is then picked up by the Right to distance themselves, and in doing so they manage to create even one more divide amongst the GOP. Yeah, go figure.

  • Randall Monroe Hennigar

    I agree with you in regard to how both sides are guilty of saying “over the top insults” in public. Trouble is now, there are much more than two sides to everything.. I love Ted, and I would actually love for the Republicans to get down into the dirt more with the Dems for just a few years, while maintaining civility and manners in personal settings. I believe the only language the “low-info” folks can hear now is rude, over the top disgusting things, and if laced with a few facts so much the better. I’ll still wear a suit to work, but if I am attending a brawl, give me some cammo. Public apologies suck in any case.

    • legal eagle

      “I love Ted” Now that’s the funniest comment of the day…There should be a prize for those who love a draft dodging right wing has been like Ted Nugent….what a country?

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        Which prize should be given to draft-dodging left-wingers like yourself, legal? Just wondering.

        • legal eagle

          Prize? You stop responding when I ‘m not talking to you? You’ll stop obsessing over my comments? You’ll make a comment that is fact based?

          • allen goldberg

            When you do we will. Otherwise… up yours:)

          • http://TrochilusTales.blogspot.com Trochilus

            What? You need to respond to this, @disqus_JfP3LhHmYr:disqus .

            Were you in the service?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            No. He proudly admits to being a draft dodger. First person I’ve ever heard brag about such a thing.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Uh, Legal… You respond all the time to people who aren’t talking to you. Amazing how crazy stuff like that tends to happen in a public forum.

        • Kit Carson

          He deserves the Billy Clinton ( I loathe the military prize).

      • allen goldberg

        Please go elsewhere. We can start a fund to send you.

        • Rose

          Why should we go elsewhere? We love it here. We have the President of our choice and Hillary on the horizon. It’s called democracy, and we are not going to be dragged back to the fifties by a lot of bunker-dwelling morons.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Wait a minute… Are you legal eagle’s wife?

      • Kit Carson

        Yes, just like draft dodger Billy Clinton proudly proclaimed he loathes the military. There’s nothing more disgusting and cowardly than to be a draft-dodger, then proudly spew that he loathes the military. Al Gore, because he had political pull here at home, spent only 4 1/2 months in Vietnam in a safe place as a REMF (rear echelon m$%#cker) clerk-typist, while everyone else had to complete a normal tour of duty which was 12 months. Then Mr. Gore embellished his service record claiming to have been in the elephant grass with the grunts taking withering fire from the enemy, until he was fully exposed as a lying bitch by Vietnam Vets and had to recant all the bullshit.

    • Rose

      Randall, nothing turns normal people off more than fake cowboys, fake soldiers, etc. Nugent helps liberals because he makes sensible, intelligent Independents and Republicans jump ship on Election Day. HE and his ilk help elect liberals.

  • Roadmaster

    If Ted Nuguent wasn’t effective or popular and didn’t get under their skin already, Lib-dorks would pay him no attention. Were his remarks crude, base and low-rent? Heck yeah, but this is Theodosius Atrocious, after all. Do I agree with him? Yes, and have personally said much worse things about Preezy, but not in public. I’ve already been audited by the IRS every year from ’05 – 12 “coincidently” after sounding off to Rep. Raul “Greasy” Grijalva” and don’t need any more attention from the Marxists.

    What ticks Lefties off is that millions and millions of Americans feel the same way – the cat is out of the bag, therefore they must attack the messenger. Because it’s someone they dislike intensely, that’s all the better.

    • legal eagle

      Ted Nugent is popular? Where exactly is he popular? He’s been on his “one hit wonder” tour for the past thirty years playing beer halls and redneck venues….

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        Lots of classic rock lovers out there, legal. He’d be forgotten about a lot faster if today’s music wasn’t so God awful.

        • legal eagle

          Classic Rock? He had one hit…..Am I missing something?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Yes. You’re missing his other hits. lol. Cat Scratch Fever, Stranglehold, Free For All, etc… and several hits with Damn Yankees. I’m not defending what the guy says when he’s talking politics. In fact I wrote a column very critical of him sometime back.

            But you’ve got to give him his music legacy. ;)

          • allen goldberg

            Stop replying to this scum LE..he’s nothing more than a libtard troll.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Yeah, but he’s lonely and I feel bad for him.

          • Rose

            Allen seems annoyed and angst-ridden. Hope it wasn’t something I said.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Ah, so now you’re his alter ego and not his wife?

          • legal eagle

            Is Allen Goldberg your gay boyfriend?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Well, look at that! A homophobic statement from a far-left troll. What a shocker. Interesting how its always the liberals anymore who use “gay” as a derogatory term.

          • D Parri

            I’ve advised JD the same, but he seems to feed off of the controversy. Go figure.

          • Jeff Teare

            His HITS, such as “Stranglehold”, “Cat Scratch Fever”, “Wango Tango”, and “Great White Buffalo”, as well as his 1960s Amboy Dukes hit “Journey to the Center of the Mind”, remain popular today, and are played on classic rock …..Also…Damn Yankees (1990) was a hit, going Multi-Platinum in the U.S……Plus has sold a career total of 30 MILLION Records…….

            AND the whole story about dodging the draft was BS…Ted Nugent was published by High Times
            magazine in 1977( Ted is AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN Anti Drug & Alcohol), during which the guitarist claimed he had engaged in behavior to deliberately fail a physical exam in 1967 and be
            qualified 4-F (not acceptable for military service). Questioned about that account during a subsequent interview with the UK’s Independent newspaper, Nugent maintained he had made up the story and fed it to a gullible High Times reporter, and he actually was not drafted because of a student deferment!!!! His Father was a was an Army staff sergeant, and he was raised in a very strict household.

            He also is supported and has played for our troops several times. He leaves Free tickets at every tour stop for veterans. I just saw him in Phoenix this past year to a sold out crowd of 3000 and blew the roof off the place

            GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

            Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp#2L8pJLQIqSEvcqjx.99.

            Ted Nugent published by High Times
            magazine in 1977, during which the guitarist claimed he had engaged in
            similar behavior to deliberately fail a physical exam in 1967 and be
            qualified 4-F (not acceptable for military service). Questioned about that account during a subsequent interview with the UK’s Independent newspaper, Nugent maintained he had made up the story and fed it to a gullible High Times reporter, and he actually avoided the draft through a student deferment
            Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp#2L8pJLQIqSEvcqjx.99

            Ted Nugent published by High Times
            magazine in 1977, during which the guitarist claimed he had engaged in
            similar behavior to deliberately fail a physical exam in 1967 and be
            qualified 4-F (not acceptable for military service). Questioned about that account during a subsequent interview with the UK’s Independent newspaper, Nugent maintained he had made up the story and fed it to a gullible High Times reporter, and he actually avoided the draft through a student deferment
            Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp#2L8pJLQIqSEvcqjx.99
            Ted Nugent published by High Times
            magazine in 1977, during which the guitarist claimed he had engaged in
            similar behavior to deliberately fail a physical exam in 1967 and be
            qualified 4-F (not acceptable for military service). Questioned about that account during a subsequent interview with the UK’s Independent newspaper, Nugent maintained he had made up the story and fed it to a gullible High Times reporter, and he actually avoided the draft through a student deferment
            Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp#2L8pJLQIqSEvcqjx.99
            Ted Nugent published by High Times
            magazine in 1977, during which the guitarist claimed he had engaged in
            similar behavior to deliberately fail a physical exam in 1967 and be
            qualified 4-F (not acceptable for military service). Questioned about that account during a subsequent interview with the UK’s Independent newspaper, Nugent maintained he had made up the story and fed it to a gullible High Times reporter, and he actually avoided the draft through a student deferment
            Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp#2L8pJLQIqSEvcqjx.99
            Ted Nugent published by High Times
            magazine in 1977, during which the guitarist claimed he had engaged in
            similar behavior to deliberately fail a physical exam in 1967 and be
            qualified 4-F (not acceptable for military service). Questioned about that account during a subsequent interview with the UK’s Independent newspaper, Nugent maintained he had made up the story and fed it to a gullible High Times reporter, and he actually avoided the draft through a student deferment
            Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp#2L8pJLQIqSEvcqjx.99
            Ted Nugent published by High Times
            magazine in 1977, during which the guitarist claimed he had engaged in
            similar behavior to deliberately fail a physical exam in 1967 and be
            qualified 4-F (not acceptable for military service). Questioned about that account during a subsequent interview with the UK’s Independent newspaper, Nugent maintained he had made up the story and fed it to a gullible High Times reporter, and he actually avoided the draft through a student deferment
            Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp#2L8pJLQIqSEvcqjx.99
            Ted Nugent published by High Times
            magazine in 1977, during which the guitarist claimed he had engaged in
            similar behavior to deliberately fail a physical exam in 1967 and be
            qualified 4-F (not acceptable for military service). Questioned about that account during a subsequent interview with the UK’s Independent newspaper, Nugent maintained he had made up the story and fed it to a gullible High Times reporter, and he actually avoided the draft through a student deferment
            Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp#2L8pJLQIqSEvcqjx.99

      • Roadmaster

        More popular than YOU!

  • hzerg

    missionviejo People like Nugent are the left wings best ally, and those of us on the conservative side who do not specifically denounce him are the silent useful idiots who enable people like Pres. Obama, Harry Reid and Pelosi to gain power. If we keep quiet or voice a timid comment like atty. genl. Abbot did we will get what we deserve.

  • docww

    I may be a bit old fashioned, but this type of personal
    attack rarely leads us in a positive direction. It might make some folks feel
    better, but it never solves any problems in this complex world. We need problem solvers, not ranting idiots.

  • mememine

    Gotta side with Ted on this one.

  • Dave O’Mara

    Bernie, I love you and I’m sure Nugent’s use of the “subhuman mongrel” term must be particularly offensive to you and others of your ethnicity.

    But whenever someone on the Right utters something beneath the level of decency, I always see Republican disown him or her in droves, while when a slob on the Left does the same thing, I invariably watch progressive politicians and media circle the wagons.

    So while you may be technically right about his comments, I’m going to have to see liberals police their own verbal stench before I join the mob to lynch Ted.

  • mcweijun

    You’re starting to sound like you may have a little thrill creeping up your leg Bernie. I’ve watched the number of people forced out of the labor participation rate grow to over 90 million. I’ve seen racial hatred soar in this country. Seen any “Knockout Game” videos? The World thinks we are a joke until they need some of our money. Ted has a right to speak his mind just like you. Your world has probably not changes much in the last 5 years. That is not the case for most of us. That was you that wrote “Slobbering Love Affair”, right?

  • Jenn

    Ted Nugent ROCKS!

  • jonshepp

    I put up a Web page honoring the new heroes of freedom in the world, the everyday people of the Ukraine who obviously know BS when they see it. Having lost their freedom before, they know the price that has to be paid again and again to keep it, not like the Americans where their reason for 1776 continues to fade into the sunset as it’s replaced by all the useless stuff they own today.

    http://www.freedomisknowledge.com/emails/2014/02242014.html

    So where are those freedom loving Americans, as Obama continues to trash the conservative ideology that created the strongest and most respected country in the world?

    Too many of them are out cheering Miley Cyrus’s thong while licking the cover of the 50th Anniversary Issue of Sports Illustrated, their having just worshipped the corporate product world celebrated in a Super Bowl that seems to feed a growing pagan culture. This doesn’t sound anything like what the Ukrainian people have been fighting for. It’s not even close!

    The Egyptians and the Ukrainian people understand how expensive freedom can be, America’s Obama put on posters in Egypt as a traitor to that country. And it was Obama, who grabbed up the Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing before Norway changed its mind, while later dissing Lech Walesa who had put his life on the line in the 1970’s to earn his.

    Yea, Ted was out of line. But he knows what Obama is doing, a president that looks more like Lenin than Jefferson; a president that says America is not a Christian nation while he sings the Muslim call to prayer perfectly to the New York Times, so perfect the Times says to him in 2008, “Don’t do that in Alabama if you want to be elected.” Gee thanks to the slobbering progressives at the New York Times.

    What is going on in America today is the stuff that can lead to what we have seen in the Ukraine, elected leaders promising everything then showing their true colors once in office. To that end, too many Americans have allowed Obama to run all over them, then going into hiding when the progressive media growls “racist,” something Lenin would have done to satisfy his millions of useful idiots.

    This only adds to the anger as the U.S. Army under Obama’s leadership celebrates the final construction of a faux American city in Virginia so it can practice putting down insurrections, never ever saying from whom.

    But many Americans may already know the answer. They just don’t want to admit what is happening around them. I’m sure the Ukrainians didn’t want to either. But when push came to shove they stood their ground. On the other hand Americans in general may not, believing what others had fought for will continue to stand without the need for the annoyance of added sacrifice.

    I suggest everyone may want to settle down and go play “Obama Bingo.” It’s a fun way to look at what is becoming an American nightmare.

    http://www.freedomisknowledge.com/obamabingo.html

    In the spirit of Pat Condell. Peace!

    • legal eagle

      That’s a lot of hate for one person…Guess your family doesn’t listen to the garbage you spout….

      • http://TrochilusTales.blogspot.com Trochilus

        @disqus_JfP3LhHmYr:disqus With the spew and name-calling you’ve posted here, you have the nerve to call someone else out for “hate?”

        • Rose

          I stopped reading his diatribe when I got to the part where he licks the SI cover. It was just too perverted for me. Guess it gets pretty lonely in that bunker.

      • jonshepp

        Hate? You’re confusing hate with severe disappointment.

        Links are in the URL that was left in the comment field for you to click on if you wanted to investigate further what I have written. No one is making you go beyond the copy. I’m surprised Walesa, the Polish Freedom Fighter, didn’t give up his Nobel Peach Prize after Obama got his as if a prize in a Cracker Jack box, (if you’re old enough to remember those prizes.)

        Speaking of hate, I see Morgan’s show is being cut next month from CNN’s lineup due to basically no ratings. It’s about time the far-left progressive media had to exist on profits created by the marketplace of ideas and not continue easy intimidation through calling someone a racist if they don’t agree with the first African-American president from a mixed marriage. Allen West could have also been the first African-American president, West from parents that were both African-American.

        I write this because the left was never interested in an African-American president, only one that would simply push the new left’s liberal agenda. The Congressional Black Caucus, (CBC), didn’t like West as part of their organization when he became a U.S. House Member from Florida, their basically saying West ‘wasn’t black enough’ because he wasn’t a progressive liberal. They however loved Obama, a trainer of the corrupt ACORN in the late 1990’s that harassed bankers at their homes to give out mortgages to people who couldn’t afford them or Obama’s teaching the power points of socialist Saul Alinsky.

        You do know when Obama was the president of the CAC in Chicago in the late 1990’s, an organization that tried to push socialism on the city’s public schools, he worked with an educator that wrote the program. Why is that important? The educator was Bill Ayers.

        http://www.freedomisknowledge.com/theliesofsocialjustice.html

        You must remember candidate Obama’s clever answer in 2008 to avoid saying he knew Ayers. Instead he reported he was eight years old when radicals like Ayers were bombing buildings, the progressive media never telling the public Obama and Ayers had worked together as adults in the CDC, Obama passing out millions of dollars in grants. Obama therefore was already used to being treated very special early on. This was while Allen West served 22-years of honorable service in Iraq. It was West who fired a weapon near a terrorist’s ear, the act discovering an ambush saving American lives.

        But the Army has evolved to where it sees political correctness as more important than lives, which you saw when President Obama called the Jihad murders / wounding 33 of our soldiers at Ft. Hood “Workplace Violence.” He then went on to deny the victim’s families Purple Hearts, saying if Congress allowed it he would veto the bill. What a guy!

        Obama could have been a hero as the first African American president. Now with Workplace Violence his words are becoming a joke such as promising to get those killers in Benghazi while no one was arrested. It was actually a news media, I believe the New York Times, that found one of the killer first at a sweet shop. Or Obama telling the Syrians he had drawn this red line in the sand. Then when crossed he drew the line again.

        Finally, I believe the left has ruined Obama. Every time he is criticized they come running to his aid as if he was a person that can’t stand the heat of the kitchen. If retired Army Col Allen West were president, he would have to stand on his own with no progressive mommy and daddy coming to his rescue. As an example, did you see how Huffpo attacked West when running for office, the best HuffPo could come up with was to say he was writing porno letters to his wife when serving in Iraq. That’s what fascists do when they run out of ideas. If interested I pulled copy from their article that is shown in the URL below.

        http://www.freedomisknowledge.com/emails/2012/10032012.html

        No paper war. I’ve made my points and will not go on. The links are there to news items in the URLs. If you don’t like the reports, there is nothing I can do. Life’s a journey, not a guided tour.

        • legal eagle

          You post links to a right wing website to support your supposition?…How quaint? What is it with you and Bill Ayers? When he did he become such an important figure in American politics? If he was such an extremist why wasn’t he convicted of anything?
          Allen West couldn’t be elected President because he is arrogant and has no original thoughts other than repeating Republican talking points…What is Alan West’s great accomplishment? Being elected Congressman and then losing reelection?
          Colin Powell could have easily won an election but he never could have gotten the Republican nomination Think the Southern Republicans would have nominated him?

          • jonshepp

            I wasn’t going to respond anymore and will have to stop here. But a serving U.S. president’s former relationship with a bomber does matter to those of us who see murder to force social change through violence as unacceptable in a free society. Obama’s forcing an abortion-filled Constitution onto the people of Kenya, using American tax-payer money while denying them self-determination, is a perfect example of the result of his relationships with people such as Ayers

            Obama knew Ayers had admitted his guilt while Ayers still believes today he didn’t do enough damage to innocent lives in his organization’s bombings. Ayers was a child who came from filthy rich parents not unlike Baldwin in Boston, former leader of the ACLU and early follower of Stalin, birds of a feather.

            Obama as board president passed out millions of dollars for the CAC in Chicago, Ayers the writer for the CAC’s social justice agenda pushing socialism onto high school students.

            Below are two sources for Ayers admitting his guilt in the bombings. Of course if you’re a radical, Ayers would be your hero. I don’t know how else to respond to you, your name calling
            reminiscent of Alinsky’s power points and the revolutionaries of OWS supported by the thugs of Cloward and Piven. Their objective was to overwhelm the system through intimidation, sometimes known as fascism from other moments in history. It is what it is:

            1. “The presumption that revolutionary violence did not count as criminal worked out for Bernardine Dohrn and Bill Ayers. These two, now married, led the Weathermen through the 1970’s, when the group took responsibility for bombing two dozen public buildings, including the Pentagon. Mr. Ayers, who recently published a memoir celebrating his exploits, once described himself as ”guilty as hell, free as a bird.” After one of the most violent campaigns of that era, Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn have served no significant jail time.” – Editorial Observer, February 2002, New York Times Archive:

            http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/01/opinion/editorial-observer-enter-patty-hearst-and-some-other-ghosts-from-the-60-s.html

            2. “I interviewed Ayers ten years ago, in a kindergarten classroom in uptown Manhattan where he was employed to shape the minds of inner city children. Dressed in bib overalls with golden curls rolling below his ears, Ayers reviewed his activities as a terrorist for my tape recorder. When he was done, he broke into a broad, Jack Horner grin and summed up his experience: ‘Guilty as hell. Free as a bird. America is a great country.'” – David Horowitz, Author and Former Communist:

            http://islet.org/horowitz/20010914.htm

            Finally, a warning I have passed onto my adult children:

            “It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” – J. Krishnamurti

          • legal eagle

            I’m sure Bill Ayers would be excited to hear how important you believe he was in the anti-war movement. In fact the Weathermen were a media myth and Ayers was an irrelevant side show…I’m not a big believer in guilt by association but if you are a believer in McCarthy era tactics that’s your prerogative…Obviously Obama won twice so you are howling at the moon…

        • legal eagle

          This is your source? The old right wing old battle ax Phyllis Schafley?

          • legal eagle

            Let’s pray the Republicans nominate someone like Alan West… At least we know West is only in politics for the money…

    • Rose

      Gee, he sounds like he is pretty darn interested in Miley’s thong and the SI cover. Ha!

  • JASVN67

    Both the left and the right are guilty of using pernicious language! To validate their comments is absurd. When making statements pro or con just tell the truth and stop with the hyperbole! When one chooses to use verbiage in this manner it makes the user look or in this case sound foolish and lends no credibility to their statement let alone their position.

  • Shane

    I’m surprised Nugent did not call Obama a Muslim.

  • http://TrochilusTales.blogspot.com Trochilus

    Bernie,

    Congratulations . . . NOT! You just managed to turn an entirely legitimate criticism of the overblown comment made by blowhard Ted Nugent, into a political attack-by-proxy on Greg Abbott.

    And, you did it via the long-discredited public debating means of committing a clear-cut violation of Godwin’s Law. You were the first one to mention Hitler, when by no stretch of the imagination was there or is there any analogous connection between Ted Nugent and Adolph Hitler.

    So, you lose the argument, along with fellow commenters like @SkyCitizen, below, who just chimed in with a aside about Goebbels — again, unrelated.

    As other commenters here have been quick to note, vile and vicious personal attacks are the tactic du jour by those on the left — every single day of the week and twice on Sunday!

    Why don’t you spend a little more time going after them rather than trying to make a limp and unconvincing “case” against a Texas Republican political candidate because he wasn’t critical enough of what someone else said?

  • Iklwa

    I am no fan of Nugent’s mouth or music; however, I find it
    interesting how everyone gloms onto the “mongrel” part of his comment and whizzes
    past the communist remarks… all of which happen to be true.

    Many, if not most times the selective outrage is applied to
    further an agenda or ideology.

    As in most political rhetoric those pushing an agenda always
    focus on statistics or comments that support their adopted stance and conveniently
    ignore facts that do not align with the desired result.

    Technically, we are a nation of mongrels.

    Not all of us are communist raised socialists with an
    admitted dislike for the Constitution.

    I have found that peals come from slimy oysters and truffles
    are covered in dirt. That fact does nothing to diminish my taste for pearls or truffles.

  • TxSandee

    Ted Nugent apologized..I accepted that, and many conservatives called him on it, which is more than the liberal media does when their own makes even worse statement.

    • legal eagle

      You accepted it? That’s mighty white of you…..LOL

  • Exodus2011

    the sliming of Gov Sarah Palin has been, and is still, off the charts – and their is no outrage from the left and nobody apologizes

    Martin Bashir’s firing was the exception – not the rule

    • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

      Lies.
      Bashir quit. You are a known liar.

      • Exodus2011

        did he fall or was he pushed?

        • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

          Oh please. Like anybody would know.
          This is what I mean. YOU ARE A LIAR.

          • http://TrochilusTales.blogspot.com Trochilus

            @Caribou_QUIT_Barbie:disqus Yeah . . . you said that before, but as everyone knows, using all capital letters is a really effective way to make a point!

            Heh!

          • legal eagle

            You’re as ignorant as your namesake Sarah Palin..Can you see Russia from your backyards also?

          • http://TrochilusTales.blogspot.com Trochilus

            @disqus_JfP3LhHmYr:disqus Huh? Namesake? What on earth are you talking about?

            Did you get your panties in a twist and think you were responding to someone else? Like @Caribou_QUIT_Barbie:disqus above? No, you wouldn’t do that– she’s every bit as much of a fruity larboard-leaner as you are. Maybe you two should get together!

            But you know what . . . maybe first you should take a little nap before you resume posting. And get a little fresh air, too.

          • wally12

            I thought you were somewhat intelligent. Do you realize how uninformed you are? Can the astronauts see earth from space? Can you see the rocky mountains from 50 miles away? Can you see Russia from sea level and an Alaskan shore? I hope you know that my first two questions were YES and that NO you can not see Russia from sea level at the shores of Alaska. If you ask whether you can see Russia from an Alaskan’s mountain, the answer is yes on a clear day. Wake up and smell the roses.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>You’re as ignorant as your namesake Sarah Palin..Can you see Russia from your backyards also?<<

            Go ahead and post a link proving that Governor Palin said that.

            YOU calling others ignorant–priceless.

          • legal eagle

            Yes, Palin did say “you can actually see Russia, from land, here in Alaska.”

          • Integrity

            And that is a true statement. Granted it gives her no more credibility towards foreign policy than Senator Obama had. However, the edge goes to Obama since he campaigned in all 57 states. QED

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Yes, Palin did say “you can actually see Russia, from land, here in Alaska.”<>You’re as ignorant as your namesake Sarah Palin..Can you see Russia from your backyards also?<<

            You're so blinded by your pathological hatred of Governor Palin, you can't tell the difference between her and a cheap-shot comedienne lampooning her.

            Like I said, priceless.

          • Exodus2011

            so booboo,

            do you think ole marty resigned after a sufficiently large negotiated payment by ole Phil, or was he fired after a sufficiently large negotiated payment by ole Phil?

          • Caribou “PAYCUT” Barbie™

            She must have the same disease as Jeff.

      • http://TrochilusTales.blogspot.com Trochilus

        @Carabou “PAYCUT” Barbie

        Oh sure!

        Why, people frequently quit whenever they are subjected to “undeserved” criticism! Especially vile and nasty commentators on MSNBC, who are known for being a particularly sensitive lot.

        You know, I just can’t understand why Chris Matthews hasn’t quit. Or Al Sharpton.

        The poor dears!

        Thoughts? (Or would that be asking way too much of you?)

    • Rose

      Has old Palin ever come up with the name of a newspaper she reads? Ha!

  • wally12

    I would hope that Bernie recognizes that after conservatives are being called vile names over a period of time, they are forced to fight back. Also use the liberal rule number 1 by ignoring or minimizing the problem exists. The other defense is to have a good offense and call out the liberals every time a slur takes place.Someone has to do it since the MSM uses rule number 1 as their rule number 1. If the conservatives stay quite, the liberals will win. The public believes what the media spreads.

    • legal eagle

      Oh you poor victim of name calling by liberals….More mindless whining from a right wing cult member..

      • http://TrochilusTales.blogspot.com Trochilus

        @disqus_JfP3LhHmYr:disqus Thus, proving the point made by @wally12:disqus .

        Do you ever think before you post?

        • Deborah G

          He doesn’t he just trolls . Everywhere he goes people just put him on ignore. I suggest you so the same and not respond to him or give him a platform

          • http://TrochilusTales.blogspot.com Trochilus

            @Deborah G:disqus So I see! I’m just having a little fun tweaking him a bit, but thanks for the warning.

          • Deborah G

            Then Tweek away dear friend! LOL I did for a bit too but he gets really boring because he acts like a sophomoric preteen with his panties in a Obama twist all the time. I got so bored listening to him ad naseum, too predictable.

          • Rose

            You sound pretty predictable to me, Deborah G. It is not listening that made you a sore loser twice in a row.

          • Deborah G

            America lost not I. IF you think that the corrupt votes are the only measure of what America thinks or feels you are a complete moron.;

        • map291

          That would require the capacity to think before speaking. That’s actually contrary to liberal thinking… literally. (LOL)

      • wally12

        Can you see your floor from your chair?

  • SkyCitizen

    Bernie, I’m so glad you’ve taken up this subject. Nugent, with his Goebbels like rhetoric, does nothing to advance the defense of the Second Amendment while abusing the First Amendment.

  • brickman

    I find it interesting that Rand Paul repudiated Nugent but Ted Cruz wouldn’t. We’ll see who was more savvy.

    • Backpacker

      When Rand came out in support of Mitch McConnell, savvy is not a word I would use to describe him.

      • brickman

        He’ll be Chairman Savvy if McConnell wins and is the 51st Republican.

    • legal eagle

      How will you see? What’s going to determine whether anyone, besides Fox News, gives a crap about Rand Paul or Ted Cruz?

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        Serious question: Does ANYONE on the left ever repudiate Bill Maher?

        • legal eagle

          What form of repudiation are you referring to and, as Bill, is on every week and HBO pays him a lot of money, what should he be repudiated for?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            A simple verbal condemnation by a Democratic politician or pundit – like the ones who go on his show – would suffice.

            If Republicans are expected to denounce people like Rush Limbaugh when he crosses the line, Democrats should be expected to do the same with Maher.

            Let’s see a single standard for once.

          • Rose

            Republicans and Conservatives also go on Maher’s show. He is often profane, but he is very smart. Nugent is just a garden-variety fool.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>Republicans and Conservatives also go on Maher’s show.

            So what?

            >>He is often profane, but he is very smart. Nugent is just a garden-variety fool.

            Maher’s an idiot, but what does either man’s level of intelligence have to do with anything?

            The point is that if a noted conservative makes an outlandish comment, Republican politicians are pressured by the media to condemn him or her. If a noted liberal does it, there’s no pressure.

            I want a single standard.

        • Rose

          Maher is a satirist/comedian. He has a tv show designed for those who understand and appreciate his kind of humor. He also has a stand-up act. He does not bounce around on political stages with candidates. Grow up!

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Right. He just donates a million dollars to their campaigns.

            And why are Republicans pressured by the media to condemn Rush Limbaugh when he crosses the line, but no Democrat is ever pressured to condemn Maher? Does Rush not tell enough jokes?

  • savage24

    I do not agree with Ted Nugent’s choice of words or his particular brand of Conservativism, but I will defend his right to say what he said. The 1st Amendment was not put in the Bill of Rights to protect only a certain class of people. What bothers me is that everybody is jumping all over Nugent for what he said, but these every same people never said a word when the radical left call G.W. Bush every dirty name in the universe, even made movies about assasinating him. Where was the outrage then? I suggest that all of you that are making the most noise, look in the mirror, you could very well be looking at a hypocrite.

    • legal eagle

      and who is prosecuting Ted Nugent for what he said? Why does he need a Constitutional defense?

      • map291

        You really think you need prosecution in order for your rights to be realized? That actually speaks volumes about your point of view.

        • jondaris

          Yes, a lawful violation is needed for your first amendment rights to be violated. This speaks volumes of your lack of undéstanding of the Constitution. You must be a scholar.

          • map291

            Clearly you’ve missed the point. Our rights exist without prosecution. At no point did I say someone’s rights were being violated.

  • LU638

    “So when it comes to moral outrage, forgive me, neither liberals nor conservatives in the media have even an ounce of credibility.” This quote of yours, Bernie, I totally agree with. Keep ‘sounding the alarm”.

    • map291

      I think I understand what you mean in terms of moral outrage, and in that vein I completely agree with you. I do think one thing we tend to get wrong is the interchangeability of morals and ethics. While a majority may actually establish a cultures social mores, ethics should really remain untainted by the culture.

  • Craig1748

    Just because Liberals and Democrats don’t call out members of their groups for totally improper remarks about Conservatives or Republicans doesn’t mean that we on the right have to resort to their tactics or lower ourselves to their standards. As to Ted Nugent, well, he is simply mentally off and this type of guy when it came down to it would be the first to run and hide and leave his comrades on the battle field to die. Big shot when the Constitution protects him but in his mind it should not protect anyone else. Greg Abbott is the best candidate for Governor of Texas, my state, that is currently on the ballot………but I have lost a lot of respect for him as a man by his not thoroughly repudiating the language that Nugent spewed out and by not repudiating Ted Nugent period publicly on TV.

    • legal eagle

      Ted Nugent is suffering from Cat Scratch Fever. He only exists in the media because the media needs clowns to perform in their circus…

      • map291

        I’m certain they needn’t look too far for that.

  • Drew Page

    Stupid is as stupid does, be they Democrats or Republicans. Nugent hurt the cause of the Greg Abbott, who should repudiate Nugent’s comments and separate his campaign and himself from Nugent. It wouldn’t be the first time that Nugent’s big mouth has gotten him in trouble. Yes, he has a right to say what he wants, but he must expect repercussions from that kind of invective.
    The fact that other famous people in the media use even worse invective and foul language to attack conservative politicians is no excuse to do the same. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Nugent did his candidate, and the causes for which he stands, a terrible disservice. No matter how strongly you disagree with someone, or dislike what they stand for, using the language of a street corner thug isn’t going to win you any friends, except perhaps more street corner thugs.

  • John Lewis

    Every day is something to add to the worst presidency of our lifetime. Does not feel like the same country before Oloser took office.

    • legal eagle

      Obviously you are qualified to take the pulse of the nation….It doesn’t feel like the same country because nothing ever stays the same except for some who long for the 1950’s…

      • http://TrochilusTales.blogspot.com Trochilus

        Well, actually, to our credit as a nation, there have been a lot of things that have in essence stayed the same, in spite of the concerted efforts by you and other progressives of the American left to turn everything on it’s head.

        For example, to you, anyone who disagrees with you, or with whom you disagree, is either a “cultist” or a “clown” or a “resident of right wing fantasy land” or “Archie Bunker” or “moronic” . . . the list goes on and on. But the fundamentally hateful tactic of yours stays the same, doesn’t it?

        You see? There’s something that does stay the same — the tenor and tone of your highly personal and nasty comments.

        You of all people should know that is not the way to persuade anyone of anything. But it is the way of the American left these days. Spit in your opponent’s face. Call ‘em a name.

        And, when they verbally fire back, accuse them of something worse.

        • legal eagle

          I have a better chance of pitching for the Dodgers this season than persuading people on this site of anything….LOL

          • http://TrochilusTales.blogspot.com Trochilus

            Well, on that point I’ll actually have to agree with you . . . which, judging from some of the other comments you’ve made here, really begins to concern me.

          • legal eagle

            LOL

          • map291

            I think that may be because persuasion isn’t your intention.

          • http://TrochilusTales.blogspot.com Trochilus

            Well put!

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            It’s not your fault. Jay Carney isn’t any better than you at convincing people of things that aren’t true – and gets paid well to do it!

          • Stimpy

            So why are you here? Go away. You first amendment rights might be better exercised on a liberal blog. But then you wouldn’t be the liberal pest that you are.

          • wally12

            Congratulations, you have finally said something that I can agree with. You will have a very difficult time convincing conservatives of your views. Maybe you should seriously consider changing your views. open your eyes and ears and hopefully you will find ideas that can be common ground.

      • Jeff Webb

        >>because nothing ever stays the same except for some who long for the 1950’s…<<

        Looks like you left-wing, bitter, hateful, old white men who long for the good old days fear competition. Try taking your meds.

      • John Lewis

        You sound like a liberal douche-bag attorney. Wish you could feel the pulse of my wrist as I bitch slap the side of your conceited attorney head

    • Deborah G

      I agree it is more and more like a Socialist dictatorship as each day goes by with that goofy Alfred E Newman moron in the White House

  • Jim

    I would never call a President or any one A subhuman mongrel. I would however call Barak a Socialist and A God hater. Barak is for Gays, murdering babies, a supporter of Islam but not Christianity. He is against the US Constitution that our forefathers got from the Word of a God ( The Bible ). This President is against anything that God stands for, which is UNPRESIDENTED in all of American history. Barak will let Muslim murders pray to a false god three times a day but won’t invite Franklin Ghram to the Whitehouse prayer meeting. So, yes, I would not call Barak what Ted called him but at the same time, I can’t think of any thing good that I would or could call a God hater.

    • legal eagle

      Don’t forget to also call Obama a Black Muslim from Indonesia….Why would anyone invite a Muslim hater like Franklin Graham to the White House?

      • wally12

        Franklin Graham is a christian. He doesn’t call someone a Muslim as a means of degrading the individual. However, he would speak against the radical Muslim beliefs. Those that state it is acceptable to kill non Muslims whenever the non believer doesn’t accept Islam as the true religion. Christians don’t do that.

        • legal eagle

          Franklin Graham has made numerous inappropriate comments about Muslims that were unworthy of a supposed man of god…He has also made political statements which were also unworthy of a supposed man of god. His ministry does some great and important work but he’d be better served if he stayed off Fox News and their political circus.

          • wally12

            Please list the program or source where I can read the entire contents and not some sound bite of what Graham said that was inappropriate.

  • Steve Moran

    The point is that both sides are as bad as each other at finger pointing and name calling. The point is that both sides of the media drag the discussion and the ‘debate’ ever lower. The point is that when even a level headed, well respected candidate like Greg Abbott who is under no real electoral pressure, feels that he has to buy in to this filth, then political discourse is plumbing new depths.
    Is this really how you want the governance of the United States to be conducted?
    Really?

  • Corky1977

    I don’t agree with the language, but I understand the outrage. President Obama so angers me with the way he ignores the constitution that I could just explode. He refuses to do his job (enforce the law) and he wants to make us a socialist nation (socialism has never worked anywhere in the world). I can’t believe that anyone could support him after the way he lied to us.

    • legal eagle

      Stop taking so many laxatives and perhaps you wont explode….Did you explode when Bush issued many more Executive Orders than Obama?

      • Integrity

        Red herring. It is the content, not the quantity. However, you have already ignored this point when posted by others. QED

        • legal eagle

          Red Herring? Tell me what Bush executive order you disagreed with, if any…..You are using the old heads I win, tails you lose argument…When Republicans do it it’s fine, when Dems do it its an outrageous usurping of the Constitution?

          • http://TrochilusTales.blogspot.com Trochilus

            @legal eagle No, it is when Democrat Presidents like Obama say that it is their intention to deliberately disregard the role of Congress, and to use Executive Orders to bypass the constitutional process. That is what constitutes usurping of Constitutional authority. Bush never did any such thing.

            Said Obama recently:

            “I’ve got a pen and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward.”

            And, his Press Sec’y Jay Carney openly said quite recently that in certain cases, the President will “bypass Congress.”

          • legal eagle

            Great non-answer…So when Bush signed an executive order he was not usurper-in-chief? LMFAO

      • Stimpy

        I’m pretty sure Bush’s executive orders didn’t include refusal to uphold the immigration laws passed by congress. You want immigration reform? Fine — that is something for Congress to debate, and not something that the President (I use the term loosely) decides. The Prez doesn’t, or shouldn’t (if he paid any attention to the constitution), decide which parts of his name-sake ObamaCare bill to implement and when. That’s what we’re talkin’ bout Willis.

  • rbblum

    The question should be: What resonates more – Ted Nugent or his message ?

  • Ted Crawford

    As far as his “sub-human” comment, clearly that is false, disgusting human would have been more accurate here.
    Again, I believe Nugent missed the mark with his assertion to Obama’s “Communist” background. From reading his books and some research into Obama’s background, He is clearly Anti-Colonialist. That being said, it seems he prefers Marxism to Communism!
    In any case, this type of radical rhetoric serves no useful purpose!

    • wildjew

      He is clearly anti-colonialist and he sees the United States as historically a colonialist or neo-colonist world power. With all the obscene national debt he seems to be eagerly accumulating we might not have to worry about a meddlesome American “empire” in the years to come.

  • Brian Stover

    Call me crazy, but shouldn’t discussions be about issues?
    If the personal attacks on W and Sarah Palin were wrong, then the same applies for Obama.
    Ad Hominum remarks are one reason that we don’t have better people running for office.

    • map291

      I agree Brian, these attacks detract from what should be the issue. Of course, I think we’re limited on who really can run for office. Without money, chances are we’ll not get the ‘Best’ candidates.

  • Helland

    While “sub-human” might be a bit harsh, the current occupant of our White House certainly shows no human compassion toward any who oppose him at any level.

  • websquaw

    Bernie Goldberg, let’s not forget that the word ‘mongrel’ was used by Barack Obama to describe himself and the African Americans, how quickly we forget.

    “When asked about his background, which includes a black father and white mother, Obama said of African-Americans: “We are sort of a mongrel people.”

    “I mean we’re all kinds of mixed up,” Obama said. “That’s actually true of white people as well, but we just know more about it.””

  • exceller

    You didn’t name any of the so-called conservative media enablers, you only named Republicans who called out Nugent. Get a grip on yourself, the Texas election is not going to be decided on the Ted Nugent non issue.

    • websquaw

      Bernie Goldberg, an others, let’s not forget that the word ‘mongrel’ was used by Barack Obama to describe himself and the African Americans, how quickly we forget.

      “When asked about his background, which includes a black father and white mother, Obama said of African-Americans: “We are sort of a mongrel people.”

      “I mean we’re all kinds of mixed up,” Obama said. “That’s actually true of white people as well, but we just know more about it.””

  • Brhurdle

    While I don’t condone the harsh language used by Nugent, to conclude that he’s enabled by the conservative media through their lack of criticism is unjustified. Many people are dissatisfied with Obama and share the sentiment that he has been a negative factor for the status of the US – I think this is verified by the polling data showing poor approval ratings. However, the vast majority of people don’t approve of harsh language since it becomes the message instead of the dissatisfaction. It seems that Mr. Goldberg is unhappy with the media since they didn’t “punish” Nugent. I don’t know what he defines as “conservative media” (I suspect it’s a veiled reference to Limbaugh and Hannity), but sites such as Daily Caller, MRC and others did report his apology. I see nothing to be gained by them wringing their hands about the futility of inflammatory language – they are not responsible for the contrition of Nugent.

    • veeper

      i don’t see obama and the dems calling out al sharpton, maher or any of their favorite sheite slingers….

  • legal eagle

    “Nugent is SPOT ON except for one thing and I don’t believe Obama is a communist, no he is not. What hew really is is an Africa raised Muslim Terrorist infiltrated illegally into OUR COUNTRY and Illegally elected.”
    Typical “Sean Hannity” like comment on Goldberg’s column….

    • veeper

      work it!!

      troll boy……

      • jhoney

        If WJ’s remarks aren’t factual, please point out the fallacies. Moronically calling him/her a troll because you don’t like the opinions or facts that support them harks back to Bernie’s column, doesn’t it?

        • wildjew

          I think he was addressing legal eagle. Thanks.
          What I quoted were Obama’s word for word.

          • jhoney

            Ok, thx WJ. Too bad it wasn’t clear. Appologies to veeper.

          • wildjew

            I have made the same mistake. But here at Disqus, notice just above your post, “jhoney (an arrow) wildjew.”

    • wildjew

      I can’t say Obama is a terrorist though he does support Muslim Brotherhood jihadists in Egypt, Muslim Brothood and al-Qaeda jihadists in Syria. He is enabling genocidal, apocalyptic Iranian Mullahs. He has folks with Muslim Brotherhood connections and background working in his White House, advising him, etc.

      “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” (September 25, 2012 Remarks by the President to the UN General Assembly United Nations Headquarters New York, New York 10:22 A.M. EDT)

      “So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed. … And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear. (Applause.)

      (President Barack Obama’s Speech to the Muslim World, al-Azhar University, Cairo, Egypt, June 2009)

      • LU638

        So pleased to see you brought out these point about Obama’s bias, support & enabling of the Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda jihadists in Syria & beyond. There are few who know how closely aligned he is with their cause.

        • wildjew

          I don’t know if Bill O’Reilly knows since he said the other day he thinks Obama is an American patriot. I would like to believe Bernard Goldberg knows how closely aligned Obama is with America’s enemies.

      • legal eagle

        You sound like Joe McCarthy in the 1950’s…was your father a lawyer? What happened to you?

    • websquaw

      Bernie Goldberg, and others, let’s not forget that the word ‘mongrel’ was used by Barack Obama to describe himself and the African Americans, how quickly we forget.

      “When asked about his background, which includes a black father and white mother, Obama said of African-Americans: “We are sort of a mongrel people.”

      “I mean we’re all kinds of mixed up,” Obama said. “That’s actually true of white people as well, but we just know more about it.””

      • wildjew

        Interesting. I had forgotten that. But he did not say he or his family were / are subhuman.

        • websquaw

          So the question then becomes, were people inflamed by the word subhuman or mongrel?

          • wildjew

            Both probably. Limbaugh has this rule. If Obama or his supporters say something offensive then it is fair game to repeat it. He seems to have gotten away with it.

      • Deborah G

        Do us all a favor and refuse to respond to this moron. We just hit ignore

  • wildjew

    Bernie wrote, Rule #1: Don’t hold a member of your team accountable – it might give ammo to the enemy.

    I hope this was written tongue in cheek because that is a part of the problem I have with “my” side. We don’t hold our people accountable.

  • jhoney

    To paraphrase Bernie and extend his thoughts, “Never wrestle with a pig. It only gets you muddy and the pig likes it.” It should be enough to remind everyone that Oscamma is duplicitous and incompetent, and FACTUALLY POINT OUT THE NUMEROUS EXAMPLES HE HAS PROVIDED to support such claims.

  • veeper

    I’m still not sure what the point of this article is…..

    It’s common knowledge that only the opposition is out of line and wrong…..

  • Chris Bateman

    I like to read your blog to keep up on the latest propaganda points. Judging by the intellectual ineptitude in the comments section, it is quite effective. I must say this, good job on this article. You hold both sides accountable, which is rare from any source today.

    Liberals need not go anywhere, just as conservatives should stay. There are good merits to both, and the in-fighting between our own citizens is the problem with our country. Bush was simple minded and a failure, but not evil. Obama is not a communist, nor a socialist. He is center-left.

    This rule or ruin attitude by the right is detrimental to the country. A true patriot would work just as hard to find compromise without threatening a gov’t shutdown evry time things don’t go their way. We can’t abolish the EPA because of what corporate greed will do to the land. We could intensively study what works and what will improve commerce without destroying the environment. We could invest in our citizens instead of cutting food stamps. Lord knows that corporate welfare more than doubles individual welfare.

    Rant over. If any of you have any sense, you’ll turn off the damned TV and go do something good for the country, rather than being armchair patriots hating anyone that doesn’t agree with you.

    • wildjew

      “Obama is center-left….”

      Oh please….

    • legal eagle

      Amazing to read some of the comments on this site….Unfortunate to see the amount of bigotry, hatred and paranoia still alive in 2014…I guess it’s a generational and regional phenomenon..

      • Integrity

        I guess you are pointing out that bigotry, hatred and paranoia exits on both sides, aren’t you? QED

        • legal eagle

          Yes but not in equal amounts….What exactly do you believe the “left” is hateful about?

          • Integrity

            How would you know? :) Obviously it does not apply to all. Many on the left have honorable intentions. Some of them are my friends even though I disagree with their politics. However, there are also racists on the left. Have you ever read the vitriol directed at Michelle Malkin and Larry Elders? Many on the tolerant left are not very tolerant towards dissenting opinions. The worst hate from the left? White condescension. QED

          • legal eagle

            White condescension or condensation?…..LOL

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Yes but not in equal amounts.<<

            No question about that–the hatred from the left is far, far more pervasive.

          • legal eagle

            Again….What exactly is the left hateful about….In my lifetime the “left” only gets extremely agitated when the subject is wars of choice and civil rights….

      • Ted Crawford

        It’s only “paranoia” untill it actually happens!

      • Drew Page

        You certainly add your share to the mix.

    • veeper

      The only difference between Nugent’s comments and yours is…..

      you wear pink panties…..

      Nugent goes commando……

    • LHS

      @ Chris Bateman – You are flat dreaming if you believe …”Obama is not a communist, nor a socialist. He is center-left.” I had a coarser term for “dreaming”, but I’ll be nice. And watch who you’re calling hateful. The left has a near corner on that market. Or you’re hearing and eyes need some attention.
      @ Bernie G. – yes, Ted went way too far and has apologized – several times
      – not to your liking. He does however, need to button it. But…try to get an apology out of anyone on the left without prying it out of their mouths.

      • veeper

        that comment is exactly the same thing as Nugent’s comments….

        except in a gay sort of way……

        • LHS

          What? Are you high, veeper?

          • veeper

            what? you looking for something?

          • LHS

            Another comedian. To quote the late, great Jimmy Durante, “Evvverybody wants t’get into the act!”

    • toddyo1935

      Chris – Great observations! My biggest frustration on the blogs – conservatives and their penchant for creating demeaning names for those they oppose – “Obummer” – “Ovomit” ad nauseum and “progressives” for blocking anyone they disagree with as happened to me on Daily KOS.

      Judge Obama by the company he keeps with a special emphasis on the Muslim Brotherhood via Valerie Jarrett with a huge nod to George Soros and his minions drafting Obamacare under its architect the eugenicist Zeke Emanuel..

      I have no tolerance for “progressives” but see liberals as what we used to call “the loyal opposition” – both sides loving the country and its Constitution while wanting the best for their children – even if from a different viewpoint.

      As for corporate greed and the need for the EPA – a Republican brainstorm from the Nixon Era. We fail to teach stewardship while favoring fines and bureaucratic harassment. We get one stupid eco idea that has little or no basis in fact and create chaos, laws and illogical regulations largely as job security for bureaucrats.

      I live in the San Joaquin Valley of CA and have witnessed the wanton destruction of the once “Breadbasket of the World” by idiotic Democrat/environmentalist water policies. With 25 years experience in water treatment, I have tried in vain to expose two tremendous proven water and energy saving technologies to all levels from media to government to utilities to end users.

      Never give up. Never, never, never never give up!

      • Chris Bateman

        Thank you. From reading your post, I gather that you’re an intelligent person of a viewpoint opposite mine. As far as EPA goes, there’s a lot of work to be done. Fines need to be there simply because corporations and stockholders only speak in dollar signs. The laws need to be reasonable and enforceable, with fines designed to cripple bad stewards, while not smothering industry.

        I’m sorry to hear about the water treatment issues. In my research for some biological projects, I’ve found some really interesting watershed contamination issues due to farming and the like. I can only imagine what we’ll know in 20yrs about fracking and flaming tap water. If you can make your project make money for somebody else while doing some good, I don’t suppose you’ll have a lot of opposition.

        Concerning the Muslim Brotherhood stuff, I don’t really buy into it. It seems too much like a scare tactic, when his policies and actions indicate nothing to be scared of. On the other hand, we have been the world’s police force for far too long, and I have a special disdain for the excessive use of drones.

        The fascist nature of the extreme right wing, as well as the faults within the ACA need to go away. The progressives are as vitriolic and unrealistic as the tea party. I’m almost convinced they are inventions of the opposite side to see how batshit people can be.

        • legal eagle

          Chris…The “Muslim Brotherhood” language used by those who don’t like Obama comes from the same old Republican playbook used by Nixon and Joe McCarthy in the 1950’s when they insinuated that anyone who disagreed with them were Communist “fellow travelers”…I would appear that some things never change among the right wing haters….how sad…

          • http://TrochilusTales.blogspot.com Trochilus

            Is there an “app” you use for posting your comments?

            Seriously, many of them are so strikingly similar! It’s pathetic!

            First you accuse whatever commenter you are responding to of being like Joe McCarthy or Richard Nixon, and then you add something about the fact that we are not living in the 1950s.

            And then you usually resort to calling them a disparaging name.

            You got anything new? Or did you stop thinking for yourself back in the ’60s?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            >>Is there an “app” you use for posting your comments?

            Great line! lol.

      • Ted Crawford

        EXACTLY! !

    • Ted Crawford

      Your second paragraph is correct, however the operative word there was “Liberal”! I remember the Liberal Democrat, in fact untill 1973 I was one! They no longer exist, in the Democrat party! Purged and replaced by the Progressive Democrat.
      Case in point;
      LIBERAL DEMOCRAT – ” Gun bans don’t disarm criminals, they attract them!” Walter Mondale
      PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT – ” Gun bans are an idea who’s time has come!” Joseph Biden
      LIBERAL DEMOCRAT – ” Legislation [should] not be viewed in the light of the benifits it would convey if properly administered, but in light of the wrong it would do and the harm it would cause if improperly administered!” LBJ
      PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT – “We need to pass it, to know what’s in it !” Nancy Pelosi
      Liberal Democrats and Conservative Republicans once held the same goals for America, Prosperity, Freedom and Security. We simple had different ideas of how best to achieve these goals! Neither group held any desire to “Fundamentally Change” America!

      • Chris Bateman

        I agree wholeheartedly. The same is true with the republicans today. There is a sickness of willful ignorance that is tearing the country apart.
        I’m a veteran, concealed carry nearly every day, and own a small business, so I understand the concerns. I simply don’t buy into all the hate being spewed from both sides. The right seems more hateful to me, but that doesn’t excuse the left either. It’s either a complete degradation of society or a carefully designed divide and conquer tactic. Either way, this demonizing of other Americans needs to end for the sake of the country.

        • Ted Crawford

          I respectfully disagree. I’ve been involved in politics since 1968, when I worked in the campaign of Pat Schroeder (D) Colorado, which basically means they let me empty the ashtrays and haul the trash! In any case Obama, especially Obama, and the current crop of DC. Politicians are the most divisive group of people I’ve even experienced, at any level of government!
          There is absolutely NO doubt in my mind where they will take us, left unchecked! Even as a 66 year old disabled veteran I have NO intentions of going there!
          I will do everything I can to prevent it, and everything I have to if We should fail, in that!

          • Chris Bateman

            I am as well. If the far-right has their way, the cost of living will continue to outpace wages as jobs are shipped overseas and we’ll be a nation of slaves. If the far-left has their way, everything will be so over-regulated that nothing can be done, and everything will be free while taxes skyrocket.

            I would like to see a tax structure like that of the 50s and 60s, with effective tariffs on imported goods and services, as well as incentives to keep telecommunications jobs in the US. If the RNC would put forth somebody like John Huntsman (he was my favorite in the primaries) instead of the tools they did during the last two elections, they might have some success. Great use of milquetoast by the way, it’s a fun word.

        • Libertarian Ish

          Chris-
          Please go over to Salon, Huffington Post, Media Matters, Move On, The New York Times, The LA Times, and all the other left wing sites and say the same thing. Tell them you’d like them to be more civil and less hateful. Oh, and tell them that you conceal carry every day too. You will then see who’s more hateful, and a real “degradation of society” in action.

    • AbdullahtheButcher

      >Obama is not a communist, nor a socialist. He is center-left.

      And yet the 2007 edition of the National Journal rated Obama the most left wing liberal member of the Senate, even more liberal than Bernie Sanders, a guy who considers himself to be a socialist.

      > Bush was simple minded and a failure, but not evil.

      Not evil,nor simple minded or a failure, though there were certainly areas in which I wish he did a better job.

    • Drew Page

      Chris — I disagree. I believe that Obama is far more than “center-left”. Far-left would be a much better designation, in my opinion.
      Your comments of, “This rule or ruin attitude by the right is detrimental to the country. A true patriot would work just as hard to find compromise without threatening a government shutdown every time things don’t go their way.” show a clear bias on your part. I could say the same thing about “the Left”, but that would be showing my bias.

      I don’t want to cut food stamps or any other social welfare program for those who unable to provide for themselves, but I don’t want to “invest” a dime toward subsidizing those who are able bodied and gaming the system. Corporate welfare may dwarf individual welfare, but if it does, it produces something that individual welfare has proven to do, and that’s putting people to work. Corporations hire people, welfare recipients don’t.

      I am not an armchair patriot and while I disagree with you, I don’t hate you or anyone else.

      • Chris Bateman

        That’s fine, and you’re respectful enough with your discussion. Thanks for that. You are correct, I am biased towards the left. For example, I firmly believe that funding education for adults would be a better use of tax dollars than giving tax breaks to millionaires. I don’t play the tribal game and hate everything on the other side of the aisle though. You can’t legitimize the rule-or-ruin issue for the left, as they haven’t shut down the government in a political hissy fit or anything that drastic.

        I can understand the “far left” point of view, bearing in mind the minimum wage increases and grabbing for guns. IMO, he’s too much a corporatist (if that’s a word) to be considered a hard-line liberal. My beef is those who call democrats socialists, specifically the president. The two things are worlds apart in the same way that republicans are not automatically fascists or communists.

        The thing is, that the wealthy don’t spend money unless it makes them money. Subsidizing an already profitable business is a waste because it just goes to stockholders and executives. There’s no use in stuffing a coffer that is already full. Even the very small percentage of people gaming the system for minuscule welfare benefits are spending that money, helping the economy. Not that it’s ok, but it’s better than allowing people to buy politicians and sidestep the free market. It would be better for the economy to dump truckloads of money in the streets instead of giving tax breaks to the already wealthy. Give tax breaks to expanding businesses, those that pay for benefits, those that pay good wages, sure.

  • Sam

    Bernie, I love the way you call out the morons on both sides when they’re being morons. That’s exactly why you are worth listening to.

  • KStrett

    I think Bernie is misunderstanding the point conservatives are making
    when it comes to a double standard. When conservatives brought up Bill
    Maher calling Sara Palin the C-word, it was not to get him thrown off
    the air. The context was liberals were attempting to get Rush Limbaugh
    throw off the air for his comments about Sandra Fluke.

    Obviously,the same applies to Martin Bashir’s comment about Palin too. The point is if the media is going to be outraged at Rush’s comments, shouldn’t
    they be equally outraged at Maher’s comments. If Rush should be thrown
    off the air for what he said, shouldn’t Maher or Bashir also be fired?

    The argument is not commentator X said something horrible let’s get him or
    her fired. The argument is hold liberals to the same standard the media holds conservatives to.

    • legal eagle

      Did you see Bill Maher campaigning with any Democratic candidates? I didn’t…

      • wildjew

        I wonder if Maher sat in a racist church for twenty years, listening to anti-Semitic, racist, anti-American sermons like his president did.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcXFxbx1Y4M

        • jhoney

          Yes, WJ, when the press give him a complete pass on that it was obvious that he was their annointed one and anything negative about him would be rationalized or simply swept under the rug. Good lord, if on his campaign trail Romney had accidentally stumbled into a church for the first time and the preacher had vomited things half as obnoxious as Wright did, the press would have crucified Romney on the spot, burned the church down, and never let the flames die.

          But still I held hope that maybe Oscama would do as he said and try to unify us. But when he held that lunch and invited the republicans but dressed Juan McShame down and basically told him to, “Shutup cuz I won and you lost,” it was apparent there would be nothing different.

          But who could have imagined just how nightmarish things could get???

          • wildjew

            People ask me, “How do you know Obama is a racist just because of his racist adult associations?”

            I use the Duck Test.

            People say, “You cannot hold a man’s associations against him.” Bunk! I learned first hand in my eight years of political activism that a politician’s adult associations do matter.

            A nation elects a racist, you aren’t going to get unity but division. Obama is the most divisive president in my sixty one years on this planet, bar none. There are consequences for electing and supporting a racist and we are seeing the fruit of it. God help me if I ever knowingly vote for a racist, whether he be Barack Obama or Ron Paul and maybe his son Rand Paul.

          • jhoney

            I agree with most of that but I can’t recall ever hearing Ron Paul say anything racist. I will also say I never paid much attention to him until he ran for the repub nomination. Maybe he had toned things down by then – I dunno, but the things I heard him say made a lot of sense but I knew he was too radical to win. I think we will ultimately adopt many of his positions if we ever solve any of our huge problems. If he was racist, I don’t deny it, I never saw it.

            But it does remind me a bit about Pat Buchanan. He was roundly called racist by the left and I never heard him say anything that seemed to even court the margins of racism. If anybody cares to point me to anything Ron or Pat actually said that was racist I would love to be enlightened.

          • wildjew

            I would not assume a politician has to say racist things to out himself as a racist. Racists, especially racist politicians are clever. We had a very clever racist Republican party chairman who associated with racist militia folks. One community leader told me he never heard a untoward or racist comment from the man.

            Admittedly I am a “partisan” when it comes to the Mideast conflict. I don’t see how an informed person like Buchanan or Paul can be neutral. Dr. Paul insists he is and the U.S. should be neutral (“not take sides”) but when Israel takes measures to defend herself from jihad terror, Paul and Buchanan vocally condemn Israel, thereby putting themselves on the side of the jihad against Israel and the West truth be known. I don’t know how an honest person can see it any other way.

          • jhoney

            I tend to agree with you about the mideast and Israel’s actions but don’t think calls for neutrality are racially motivated. While I tend to see Israel as being more reasonable than their foes, they also often baffle me with some of the things they do and as such seem almost as intractable as their oponents. As such, I find myself sometimes wanting us to wash our hands of the whole mess as it seems so much of the time that neither side wants peace. We can all point to someone in our personal lives that seems to relish, need, and thrive on conflict and it seems the majority of EVERYBODY in the mideast is like that. Unfortunately, it is simply too critical and important to the whole world that there be peace in the mideast for us to take a walk there or to be neutral without pointing out trangressions we see on either side.

          • wildjew

            Just curious. After the 9/11/2001 Muslim terror attacks in New York and Washington, how much have you read about Islam, its history, its texts and teachings?

          • jhoney

            I had lived with a devout muslim roommate before then. I have since learned more about islam since 911 but not as much as I want or need. One memorable thing to me was how my roommate would have several arabic friends over and we would be discussing the mideast many times. Once, when there was an active phase of negociations and a glint of a settlement, they all proclaimed that it was a good thing because there would be pause and compromise to pick up some wins and concessions. But after that, it would simply be time to take up arms again and true peace would happen only when the jews were in the ocean.

          • wildjew

            I think in Islam that is called a hudna or temporary truce which buys the Muslims time to prepare for the next or final battle. See Muhammad’s treaty of Hudaybiyyah.” Israel and the Jews are my “acid” test when I am talking to a self-professed peace-loving Muslim.

        • Tim

          No, he just gave Obama a million dollars to play with.
          So he’s not campaigning for any democratic candidates.
          He’s buying them.

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        He donated 1 million to Obama’s superPac – the one the president directed donors to himself. To me, that’s pretty significant.

        • legal eagle

          Because something is significant to a cultist like yourself doesn’t mean all that much to reasonable people…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Ah, I see. So you’re the rational one by calling out Nugent’s political relationships but when someone calls out Maher’s, they’re a ‘cultist’. Nicely done.

      • KStrett

        He gave Obama something like one million dollars! If person A says something offensive and should be fired, the same should apply to person B.

        • legal eagle

          That’s 1 mil not 20… Who says anyone should be fired?

  • Darren

    It really makes me angry when a conservative celebrity says something truly outrageous or offensive, because they do two harmful things. The first is they destroy their own credibility. From that point on, many of the genuinely reasonable things they occasionally say and the good points they make will go ignored by people they’d like to reach, as no one will take them seriously anymore. The second thing, and this is truly the problem, they help get all conservative tarred with the same brush as extremists, and — and this is the truly infuriating part — too damn many conservatives will apologize for and excuse them, which makes us all look bad. Ann Coulter is an especially egregious offender in this regard, and so are her enablers. She’s smart, articulate, and really does make a lot of good points. However she also says some truly obnoxious and reprehensible things, and it seems no matter how often she does this, her supporters will rationalize it away and continue to regard her as one of their favorite conservative commentators.

    That’s a mistake. People have to pay a price for their bad behavior, or they have no incentive to change it.

    • legal eagle

      Ted Nugent is a celebrity? Only in the fantasyland of right wing media…I hears him referred to by a right wing commentator as a “rock star”…Nuge was a “rock star” 40 years ago…He is currently a has been..

      • Jeff Webb

        When are people officially supposed to stop referring to a rock star with those words, and who established the rule?

        • legal eagle

          You can call Nugent whatever you’d like….Springsteen is a rock star. McCartney is a rock star…Nugent is a has been whose time in the limelight was brief and who now tries to stay relevant by “feeding the right wing beast”…

          • Jeff Webb

            Define “rock star” please. Does Nugent not meet the definition because he plays smaller venues now?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Legal’s so blinded by his hate for the right that he can’t even conceded that a conservative rock star is actually a rock star. lol.

  • toddyo1935

    Michael Shaw quoted the late Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen in Suzanne Eovaldi’s excellent piece on Islam on http://www.coachisright.com this morning. It’s about tolerance:
    “Here’s how Archbishop Fulton Sheen dealt with this back in 1931…

    America, it is said, is suffering from intolerance – it is not.
    It is suffering from tolerance. Tolerance of right and wrong, truth and
    error, virtue and evil, Christ and chaos. Our country is not nearly so
    overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded.

    …Tolerance is an attitude of reasoned patience toward evil, and a
    forbearance that restrains us from showing anger or inflicting
    punishment. …Architects are as intolerant about sand as foundations for
    skyscrapers as doctors are intolerant about germs in their
    laboratories….”

    Nugent is merely trying to shock the reader into paying attention and for the object of his derision to wake up in a cold sweat from a “Scroogean” dream realizing he is favoring the most destructive force on the planet while striving to destroy what millions have sacrificed for in this great Constitutional Republic.

  • sherlock1234

    Thank you Rand Paul. Thank you Rick Perry. Time to tell Nugent that conservatives want no part of him. Nugent’s comments were disgusting.

    The media will attack the vile comments of Nugent. Conservatives need to join them in attacking Nugent.

    Is there a double standard? Of course. When Sandra Bernard said about VP Candidate Palin: The Republican V.P. nom would be “gang-raped by my big black brothers” if she enters Manhattan. This was said during one of her live performances. The crowd loved it. A NY TIMES reviewer wrote” it was disgusting, but I chuckled when I heard it (paraphrased).” It got little media coverage.

    This is not to say, hey they do it too. We know that. But conservatives should not sink to their level.

    Thank you Bernie. As usual, the voice of reason and sanity.

    • toddyo1935

      That’s called a circular firing squad. Have you thanked anyone who criticized George Soros, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, or any other radical left Constitution denier?

  • Joh

    I cannot stand the ugly, disgusting things that people like Bill Maher spout about conservatives and Sarah Palin in particular. The same thing goes for Ann Coulter and her loose cannon attempts to be relative by saying disgusting things about liberals. With that said, Nugent should restrain himself. What he said was equally disgusting

    • legal eagle

      Sarah Palin is a joke therefore she is the butt of jokes….Only in the world of RWNJs can people like Palin and Bachmann be taken even semi-seriously..

      • veeper

        troll boy…..

      • wildjew

        Obama: “I don’t think my church is actually particularly controversial.”

        Obama: “John Mccain is a good man and an American hero but he’s made some bad choices about the company he keeps…”

        “I’ve got to give a shout out to my pastor; the guy who counsels me…he’s a friend…a great leader….” etc.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcXFxbx1Y4M

      • Integrity

        In your world, they would be brilliant if they were Democrats. QED

        • legal eagle

          Bachman and Palin clowns in the right wing circus run by Limbaugh and Roger Ailes…

          • Integrity

            Have you ever had the misfortune of listening to Pelosi? QED

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Or so you heard Chris Matthews say.

      • Joh

        If Sarah Palin is a joke, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, and Elizabeth Warren are hsyterical. LWNJs refuse to admit they are lying morons

  • guest

    The Government and Liberals must go. All we need from the Government is protection; Dept of Defense, Police prisons, etc.. No politicians, no religions ( man and his mind is all we need), no other departments except Department of Protection, everything else must go and let the people advance the world without any restraints holding them back

  • William Fuzi

    Something people seem to forget that the Nazi’s were left wing socialists. Maybe it is convenient to say that Ted Nugent used a term that was used by Hitler. What bothers me is that this is being pushed as racism. It has nothing to do with what color the president is. It has everything to do with the types of people who think they should control other people. When it comes to Socialists they are all sub human mongrels; especially their leaders. Putin, Hitler, Filed Castro, Hugo Chaves, Mao, pal pot, Marx, Lenin, and George Bernard Shaw are or were all sub human mongrels. They believed humans should be controlled. They also believe humans are expendable. Where in lies the problem. The problem is what the left believes. If you draw a line, and on the left end you write total control. Then on the right end you write Anarchy. There is a very thin line between Freedom and anarchy. to the left of freedom is Constitutional Republic all on the right. Starting from the center to the left is Democracy, then socialism; then communism, fascism, totalitarianism, and dictatorship. In my opinion we are walking a very thin line, on the left edge of Democracy. Democracy always decays into socialism. It always has. Once you take a step onto that slippery slope you are doomed. America hasn’t been a constitutional Republic since Woodrow Wilson, and then we pushed to the left end of Democracy with Roosevelt. The next move left will condemn America to their first Sub Human mongrel leader. Did you not hear that there was a plan to control the news media with the FCC? Where do you think these ideas come from? They are now in control of health care. See the thing people don’t understand about Democracy. Democracy is majority rule. In a Democracy 51% of the vote can send dissenters to prison. 51% of the vote can enslave an undesirable population. 51% of the vote can elect a dictator. This is why democracy’s are so dangerous. Everything on the left end of the political spectrum is inherently evil. Always has been, and always will be, I laugh every time I hear a Liberal say Jesus was a socialist. It just means they have no clue what they are talking about. there is something in the bible they don’t know. It comes from long before Jesus, in the first book of the Bible. Read the story about the tower of Babel and you will learn what God thought about Communism.

  • Jen

    I really don’t think Fox news is anywhere near as bias as the left media. The Left never reports any of Biden’s insane comments or Obama or Mrs. Obama’s less than intelligent comments. There isn’t even any reporting of the scandals of this administration by the mainstream media. If it wasn’t for Fox news and talk radio the Obama’s and all the other Liberals would have an even easier time lying to the American public.

    By the way, Fox news wasn’t silent about Ted Nugent:

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/02/22/ted-nugent-comments-may-hurt-greg-abbott-campaign/

    Pretty sure I have never seen an article like that about any Lefty on the Mainstream media.

  • russhenry

    So you accept a lier as above a mongrel? I do not!
    Barry Soetoro is a serial lier and will be brought down! He is not even a citizen and the Republican “establish” allows him to occupy my White House!!

  • guest

    Nugent is SPOT ON except for one thing and I don’t believe Obama is a communist, no he is not. What hew really is is an Africa raised Muslim Terrorist infiltrated illegally into OUR COUNTRY and Illegally elected.

  • Ron Fritzemeier

    Ad hominem attacks just aren’t helpful – and they detract and distract from the issues that really matter. Ted Nugent could help by exercising even half an ounce of discretion. Bernie, however, paints far too broad a brush in effectively equating ‘both sides’ in holding double standards. My sense is that ‘this’ problem is vastly more true on the liberal side. When all is done here, though, I fear that the REAL problem is that our society suffers from a severe case of lost (forsaken, not, “where did I put them?”) moral and ethical moorings. History would teach us a lesson about the consequences of taking this path, but it also shows ‘this lesson,’ that people choose not to learn the first one.

  • kcinco

    I don’t agree with Nugent’s reference to obama as a “sub-human mongrel,” but there is no doubt obama was raised by a communist mother and grandparents, his father was an admitted radical socialist, and his mentor was a well-known black liberation communist. I cannot cut anyone slack when their ideals put the Constitution of the United States and my ability to live without government intrusion at risk.Come on, Bernie, Nugent has some valid points. Why doesn’t the media talk more about the facts behind obama’s ideology? Someone has to and if it’s Nugent, so be it. He has the platform and many people like him, listen to him, and agree with him. We cannot be lulled into a false sense of security when it comes to progressives like obama and the forthcoming “democrat” candidate hillary clinton. That is exactly what they want. They are dangerous to our liberty.

  • stmichrick

    Nugent’s language plays into the media stereotype of conservatives as backward, uneducated and hateful. Given the pervasive nature of mass media; this is not helpful in pulling the country away from the fiscally disastrous and freedom eroding direction the Democratic Party takes us. The stupid party doesn’t also need to compete to be the crude party.
    Unfortunately politics is increasingly the art of attracting the lowest common denominator of anyone who can vote. That’s how we got the present regime.

  • Chris Matthewson

    I’ll look forward to the day when they pry Ted Nugent’s guns from his hands.

  • Blakely1

    I post on the Washington Post, all the time & I do not agree with Bernie that
    Republicans & Democrats are equally guilty.
    From the insults that they hurl to the personal attacks on Republicans
    Democrats are way ahead.
    The liberal media exacerbates any tiny Republican flaw into a major crime.
    During the heat of the major Christie attacks the Post had as many
    as 6 columns savagely beating him up all on one day.Then they started
    the next day. They are still at it.
    No, Bernie, we are like fleas compared to Pitt Bulls.

  • Integrity

    There is very little President Obama does that I agree with. I also think that his policies are doing serious damage to our country. That being said, we cannot justify bad behavior on our part by pointing out the hypocrisy and bad behavior of the “other side”, regardless of how extensive and outrageous it is. We have to be above that or we seriously compromise our values. QED

    • Ted Crawford

      Agreed!

  • Paul Vasek

    Nugent should have left it at just “communist”. The left like to call the conservatives or Tea Party “terrorists” and, for the record, that is what those that supported Hitler called the Jewish Resistance…

  • Marvin Katzen

    You’re right. Nugent stepped over the line of civil discourse.
    I must say, however, in fairness, I feel that President Obama is a destructive thug spawned from brutal, corrupted Chicago politics. His use of Saul Alinsky political tactics and his disregard for the letter and spirit of our constitution and his empty suit approach to leadership and his association with unrepentant terrorists, communists, idiotic academics and opportunistic hacks convinced me that he is the worst choice for a president in my lifetime. I think too many accolades have been showered on someone so unqualified and undeserving of them. So, as I denounce Ted Nugent’s use of unwarranted expletives toward President Obama, I empathize with his pain and frustration. The answer to dealing with Obama is for conservative-minded leaders of good will to take control of both houses of Congress and subsequently elect a decent president

  • SaneRepublican

    Ted Nugent is disgusting and Greg Abbott is craven for not throwing him under the nearest herd of cattle. Commenters who have defended him should consult their neighborhood mental health professional.

  • Seattle Sam

    Two comments:
    1. This simply redemonstrates the axiom that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend. ”
    2. The political views of Ted Nugent merit about as much attention as the playlists of Harry Reid.

    • veeper

      3. The political clown skits of SNL and Fallon are clueless and in much need of talent…..

  • lark2

    I don’t know Ted Nugent but, he speaks the honest truth and I agree with EVERYTHING I hear him say. The unusual part is to hear a conservative speak the truth so openly and plainly. He gets a lot of backlash but the Liberals speak their trash non-stop and the criticism is muted. They continue to spout outrageous lies and Conservatives take “the high road” thinking we are the majority and “silence” is the most effective response. Clearly it is not…. we have been wrong for years and we have been losers for years. Most recently, Republican thinking has insisted upon campaigning on the high road … never criticizing Obama personally and never mentioning anything that is too harsh … LOSER! Now we hear that saying anything about Hillary that goes back to anything in her history … is out of bounds. Meanwhile, Democrats take the opposite view … screaming outrageous lies and going back to their view of events that they say occurred in high school. For example, consider the weeks of trashing Romney got for beating up a high school classmate and cutting his hair because Romney and his friends didn’t like the boy’s long hair …actions which this boy’s own parents said NEVER OCCURED…. and Romney’s supposed actions at Bain Capital 25 years ago … activities that took place years after he left Bain. We are told it is unseemly to mention anything in Clinton’s history…. not to mention the personal bashing Sarah Palin AND her family took and continue to take. Sarah Palin spoke of “Death Panels” and everyone laughed. Now that we know Obamacare depends upon DEATH PANELS … Have you heard of ANYONE giving her credit for being right? No! Ted Nugent is right. Leave him alone. We need to join him in excoriating Liberals. The “Republicans” better wise up or they also need to disappear into the dustbin of history.

    • legal eagle

      thank you for your comment Archie Bunker…Good to see they now have computers in mental institutions for people like yourself.

      • Jeff Webb

        >>thank you for your comment Archie Bunker.<<

        Are all bitter, white, old left wingers who haven't taken their meds and long for the gold old days as obsessed with that TV character, or is it just you?

  • twin130

    For every outrageous statement made by a conservative, there are a LOT more disgraceful things said on MSNBC on a routine basis, and that’s supposed to be a news station; Ted Nugent is a musician. That doesn’t make it right. But I am really, really tired of the “both sides do it” argument, when liberals attack on a daily basis, in the most vile way, and I don’t hear anyone on their side speaking up against it. Conservatives who “misspeak” are immediately attacked by everyone in the mainstream media. Liberals get a pass for bad behavior. Period. You have to agree that liberals RARELY admit their side made a mistake. Yet you expect conservatives to jump in and condemn their own; I can’t help feeling, why should they? Why do you hold them to a higher standard? There are more than enough MSM folks attacking them on a daily basis, from imaginary wars on women, to accusing Mitt Romney of killing a cancer patient, not to mention the total lack of reporting on the RELENTLESS, evil attacks on black conservatives, like calling Ben Carson a monster, and saying he has “tumors in his mind”. It is endless. I, for one, have had it. The MSM in this country has become a propaganda machine for democrats and liberals. Yet you continue to make this “both sides are guilty” argument, and rail against conservative talk radio hosts.. Really, Bernie. It appears that you go out of your way to give liberals a break, give them a voice. They don’t need another voice; they’ve got newspapers and TV, all of Hollywood and most colleges. All conservatives have is talk radio and Fox News, and that isn’t a conservative station!!! The liberals just call it that because Fox has the nerve to broadcast ALL the news, not just the stories that make Obama look good. Bottom line is, Ted Nugent “misspoke”, but it’s not like he “misspoke” to the entire country right before an election, where if they had known the truth they might have voted differently and changed the course of history or anything.

    • Bernie

      OK, Twin. They’re you’re no better than the liberals you detest. Congrats.

      • twin130

        I did not defend the statement; I said at the outset that it was outrageous. My comments were about Bernie’s column, and his mentioning “selective media outrage”.

    • Libertarian Ish

      Listen, you are talking about all the BS that the left does. I get it. You’re right. They accuse us and our candidates of being racists, misogynists, anti-women, homophobes, one percenters, polluters, haters, and all the rest. This is their way of marginalizing us, targeting us, and diminishing our viewpoint. It’s all propaganda and designed to eliminate us. So why wouldn’t you call out someone who is fulfilling their misplaced accusations of us? And why not concentrate on just the policy differences and alternative suggestions for making America better? Ted Nugent isn’t helping us. He’s hurting himself and our cause.

      • twin130

        Agree completely. I didn’t call him out because I figured I didn’t need to; there will be plenty of people calling him out. Your last statement is true, we can win the argument on policy alone, and it’s the reason when I hear stuff like this I cringe; more ammunition for the liberals. People on the right have to be very careful about what they say; they have to never ever cross the line, and 100% of people on the right have to get it right 100% of the time. It’s a high standard. Impossible, actually. Because there ARE extremists on both sides, and by extremists I don’t mean people with conservative values who care about the constituion. But we are far outnumbered in the loon dept.

  • nickshaw

    You are right, Bernie.
    To criticize Skeeter based on a world view shaped by his upbringing is one thing (and probably true) but, to use an accident of birth to disparage someone is beyond the pale.

  • CharlesMaglaughlin

    I’m just wondering who might qualify for such “outrageous” character assassination? Hitler? He killed millions…(duh). But not our Prez, who in the Senate, voted to require botched abortion babies be left alone dying, gasping for breath, on the operating table. I mean, he termed a possible unplanned baby by his daughter as a “mistake.” Ted…at least the unborn are cheering for you! (all 57 million)

  • delble

    Forgive me, Bernie. I’m a fan of Ted’s. Yes, he needs to be more polished in his speech, but what he is articulating is the absolute frustration of people like me who can see through this president’s lies. Face it, what Ted did is nothing compared to the constant protectionism 90 percent of the media has always given to Obama. We all see this and are wringing our hands about what he continues to do TO our country. Now, he’s on to the next big lie, “climate change.” He’s going to force this farce down our necks just like he did the despicable ObamaCare. Ted’s not afraid to say what a lot of us have been thinking for years. He just says it as “Ted” not as the produced, slick speech of “Brian Williams” or “Barbara Walters.” And, while we are at it, Palin deeply loves this country, unlike the current White House occupant.

    • Libertarian Ish

      Nugent’s speech is racist. Conservatives are not racists. We’ve been insisting on that for years to the left, haven’t we? So why should we give him a pass when he calls Obama a sub-human mongrel?

      • Integrity

        Nugent’s speech was in poor form. However, I don’t think it was intended to be racist. I am quite sure he would use the same poor choice of words to describe anyone of the same ideology, regardless of race. QED

        • legal eagle

          How would you know what he intended?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Says the guy who attributes all Obama opposition to race. lol.

          • Integrity

            I don’t know what he intended for sure. I was giving him the benefit of doubt, an art form that alludes you. Appreciate the chuckle from both you and John though. QED

        • veeper

          yeah…like Holder and “legal eagle”…….

      • delble

        Ph pulleeeeze! Let’s pull back on the “racist” stuff? Can we just say that Ted is not a polished speaker? My take on Obama is he is a heartless, evil man with a great smile. You pick which one is more acceptable, mine or Ted’s?

  • Kanbun

    The truth hurts Bernie. Everything Nugent said is true. According to Merriam-Webster – mongrel: one of unknown ancestry. That you think this is a pejorative Bernie is OK, because it well might be. But, Obama deserves much worse and if the media (including you Bernie, Bill O’Reilly, and Sean Hannity ) would have used more descriptive language in how you identified this guy, perhaps, just perhaps he wouldn’t be President now. For crying out loud, O’Reilly still can’t bring himself to call Obama a socialist. Anyway, I have no problem with you criticizing Ted for calling Obama a mongrel, but not because of any disrespect to Obama – he deserves no respect – but because it diminishes at least to some extent the platform that Ted has when he speaks the truth next time. My preferred adjective for good ‘ole Barry is that he is a punk. Maybe Ted could use that next time.

  • donegalprince

    Nugent was wrong to disparage the president with the mongrel comment. Any commentator who makes excuses for this sort of political discourse is wrong as well. Thank you Bernie.

  • DanielS

    Sure, Ted is over the top. But just look at the morons on MSNBC. Turn about is fair play as far as I’m concerned.

    • nickshaw

      I can agree that we should use more lefty tactics but, Nugent went beyond my limit, I’m afraid.

  • darBnosrednA007

    We are all people who think and have relatively complex feelings. Every person experiences every second of their life in a completely unique way from every other human being. We are all Very Different from each other and have developed totally different mindsets. In this Marvelous-(my opinion) world on the internet, I can tell people what I think and they can tell me what they think. Bill Maher has lived a life which led him to believe he had a right to not avoid referring to Sarah Palin by using the “C” word. Ted Nugent has lived a life which led him to believe he had a right to not avoid referring to President Barack Obama as a “Subhuman Mongrel”. Some people know they can get a rise out of many African Americans by using the “N” word and have lived lives which led them to believe they have a right to not avoid using the “N” word – and so on. Some people have lived lives which have led them to believe there is entertainment in knocking out some unsuspecting person and to not avoid knocking out someone is acceptable. I use the term “not avoid” because I think people know when the words or actions they are condoning, in their own mind, are not considered decent/acceptable/beneficial/etcetera, in general society. As far as I can tell, I have lived a life where I, myself, have not been offended by the words used by Martin Bashir, Bill Maher, Ted Nugent, Westboro Baptist Church and MANY other people who have developed an ability to not avoid being, what they probably realize is being, mentally offensive to some/many by the words they choose to use. I, myself, have no desire to make it my intention to deliberately consider it to be acceptable to not avoid degrading someone or some group of people. I like who I am and if someday I choose to find reason to be insulting and degrade others for whatever reason, then I will do so knowing it will not have any affect upon me when others complain or analyze what I said, why I said it, who it may affect and how it may affect her, him or them. I hope I do not ever decide to be deliberately offensive by the words I choose to use. I do not consider myself to be less of a person because I am not offended by comments made by other people who are unique and very different from myself and everyone else. My one example of the “knock-out game” is the type of action where I shake my head and ask myself, – Why would anyone want to not avoid making themselves do something which depicts themselves as having not only no empathy for others, their victims, but also why would someone be so desperate to be able to consider themselves to be macho or dominant in such an effeminate manner (if that is it)? Anyway, again, I, Myself, am simply not offended by what people say. But I realize many people have lived lives which have seemed to develop a common aspect to be affected, in an offended interpretation, by the words of others even though their lives are Completely Different from each other due to every second of every day being completely unique. Uh, Uh, Uh – Geez, I am glad that Rob Ford guy had enough sense or control to catch that older lady he did not avoid at that meeting. I think I am getting a little wordy.

  • Libertarian Ish

    There are so many legitimate ways to criticize the president’s policies without attacking him personally, or using ignorant language. Why does Ted Nugent think he’s helping his cause? Or the cause of Conservatives? I’m through with staying silent when members of my own party continue to mimic the worst of the left wing pundits, who I criticize when they do the same thing. I don’t really care if the left doesn’t call out their own for ignorant behavior. We should be better than them and call out our own when they sink to using despicable language.

  • PatriotLuvr

    Name calling is the last resort of people who cannot express a cogent counter-argument against the actions or statements of the person who is the object of their derision. If someone disagrees with what someone else says or does, then direct your argument against that and drop the name calling. It is not acting in an adult manner. This applies to people of all political persuasions.

  • AnMar22

    I understand how Ted Nugent feels. I, also, dislike pres. o. He just has to polish his language, then people wil take him seriously.

    • veeper

      he doesn’t have to polish anything….

      he is being……

      just like all the nasty mouth liberal nut jobs…..

  • Snakeindagrass

    I was with Ted right through “communist nurtured”

  • Frederick Theobald

    He could be half-right, Obama is definitely not a thoroughbred.

  • Kit Carson

    Ted comes across as a bit crude at times, but, much of what he stated is the truth. Liberals, Bill Maher anda host of other leftist scum lambaste conservative women and spew filthy drivel on their children on a daily basis, while conservatives sit back quietly like church mice.

  • Buzzeroo

    The ‘subhuman mongrel’ moniker was apparently the only sufficiently loathsome title to hang on Obama due to his clear fit with all of the other descriptive details regarding him .It was unfortunate that he couldn’t control himself because saying what he couldn’t help but think drops him into the filthy sewer where Maher dwells…..but standing on Maher’s head to be sure because Nugent’s target is provably deserving of his vehemence while Maher’s is not.

    • markb

      Really? All mixed-race people (“mongrels”) are deserving of Nugent’s “vehemence”? We’re going to start a new anti-miscegenation movement now?

  • sean1

    Good article. Can’t hide from the truth…even if it’s unpleasant.

  • Kit Carson

    Truth hurts doesn’t it, Bernie?

    • nickshaw

      Typical flip comment from a lefty.
      The truth never hurts else Bernie would not have put his words to monitor, as it were.
      Here’s
      a real truth, for every Nugent there are 10 people on the left with
      similar stature who say or do things that are just as vile.
      The difference is, conservatives tend to police and call out their own. Generally, it’s done before the liberal press gets wind of the transgression.
      On
      the other hand, when a liberal does it the press does everything in
      it’s power to ignore or hide the political affiliation of the clown.
      “Name the party” has been elevated to an Olympic sport when it comes to reportage of Dims!
      Despite liking the guy, his cause and his music, I cannot condone what Nugent said and I wouldn’t have him on any stage with me.
      Even a true apology wouldn’t change my mind.
      I daresay the majority of conservatives would agree with me.

    • jhoney

      Yes, Kit. I think his point is that the mirrored dual standards blindly applied by both the left and right hurt us all, i.e., BOTH SIDES, and not just Bernie.

  • beniyyar

    The problem and the glory of freedom of expression is that the finest orators in the world can freely speak their mind without fear of reprisal, while at the same time the biggest idiots in the world can do the same thing without fear of reprisal.

  • gbandy

    I guess it is only when a Conservative makes a verbal attack on a Liberal the media goes into a rage. When Liberals attack Conservatives in the most despicable ways the media seems to always give them a pass. Name calling is the norm for the Liberals. Look at the attacks on Conservative women and the names used. How many Crude Liberals apologized?

  • uplinktruck

    Bernie, you’re right.

  • http://blog.cyberquill.com/ Cyberquill

    Ted Nugent promised to be either “dead or in jail” if Obama got re-elected. So unless Mr Nugent is a liar that cannot be trusted — the very charge he has leveled at the president — how come he’s still alive and at large?

  • TBuzzard

    The rhetoric aside, the sentiment is valid. Could he have found a better way to express it? Of course, but so could Jesse Jackson who in 2007 referred to Dear Leader, on a hot mic by the way, as a “dumb nigger”. He was sitting next to Al Sharpton when he said it and Sharpton, by his demeanor, seemed to agree. As I recall, we didn’t hear much about that at the time, of course Zero wasn’t Dear Leader yet. All of that crap aside, Dear Leader is at the very least a hard core socialist tending towards Communism, is a self avowed Muslim, and in my opinion is not a U.S. citizen. His rampant disregard for the Constitution, our laws and Congressional process reeks of tyranny. He has a total disregard for the law and Congress bears a great deal of the responsibility for letting him get away with it. Fundamentally I agree with Ted.

  • Gloria

    Who the hell is Ted Nugent and when did anything he say (not sing) become so important? Just like other celebs, regardless of their affiliation – right or left – they have the right to think and say pretty much anything they please. BUT their pronouncements should carry about as much weight as the guy next door. The difference is that the media loves inflammatory rhetoric as it gives them junk to fill air time and hopefully boost their ratings.

    • Stimpy

      I agree. Nugent never made much of an impact as a musician. He’s certainly not one of my guitar heroes. He’s now famous for being famous — sorta like Kim Kardashian, without the fat @ss.

      • Gloria

        Absolutely agree! And for the media, it’s all about the message they can make of it.

      • Jeff Webb

        >>Nugent never made much of an impact as a musician.<<

        Looking at his resume, it's easier to argue just the opposite.

  • Rodney Lee Conover

    speaking of enablers – thanks Bernie for bringing even more attention to it. You think this comment was worse than Letterman going after Sarah’s kids, or Maher calling her a c*nt? How about Barack and co. turning the entire country into a socialist cesspool? That’s on par with “mongrel?” Way to go, Bernie – you’re the enabler, you’re the double-standard. Look inward for two seconds and you’ll know I’m right. I don’t approve of all the Nuge says, but for god’s sake get off his back and get on the program Bernie – you’re awesome when you do. Row, don’t steer. You’re horrible at steering, we’ll go right into the ditch we’re heading toward.

  • TransplantedTexan

    Bernie, stop having a problem with someone who simply states the facts.

    • jhoney

      Supposing for a moment that what Nugent or Limbaugh spout is accurate or truthful, sometimes it is simply better to be more ‘politic.’ There is more than enough inflamatory rhetoric on both sides that isn’t leading us closer to solutions to the staggeringly immense problems looming in front of us. Such rhetoric only feeds on itself, alienates the other side, and usually comes from some corner that is more interested in a private agenda.

  • Joseph Wade Formicola

    I worked with Ted at WWBR radio in Detroit Ted did mornings I was the PD. Lets just say Ted is a total ASS.. Yes I told him you are a great guest but a lousy host!

  • Robert Strong

    You’ve got it wrong, Bernie. If Bill Maher can get away with calling Sarah Palin a c**t, then no one should be chastising Ted Nugent for throwing epithets at Obama. Liberals fight with brass knuckles. Republicans need to do the same.

    Maher’s excuse is that, hey, he’s just an entertainer. Guess what, so is Nugent.

    • jhoney

      But doesn’t it seem like we neet to back up for a bit and do some ‘rethinking’ if such pronouncements are passing for entertainment?

  • Gabe Santiago

    Your article, Mr. Goldberg was spot on! I can only hope that this will serve as a cautionary tale for those on both sides of the aisle; that civility, respect, and truly intelligent public discourse, works, or ought to work, both ways. As I’ve stated on Twitter, to you, a few days ago, and on Facebook, a number of stupid comments, from Nugent, Coulter, and at times, Malkin, do more harm to Conservatives, than help. We don’t even have to go to the deport of the “Left”; their indiscretions are already on record as being beyond shameful.

    • jhoney

      I’m a little disappointed to find your post two hours old, with many intervening posts, and that I am the first to upvote your thoughts.

  • Duke Mantee

    There’s vile language on both sides. I wish it could be toned down but I don’t see how.

  • Ex dem

    You’re correct Mr Goldberg. However, conservatives are at a disadvantage since liberals control most media. They ignore, forgive or even parrot the most vile leftist smears against conservatives. They did so against Bush and continue to do so without being called out. But, you’re right about name calling. Let’s just make sure we keep calling Obama what he is: incompetent

  • D Parri

    They say Texans Americans deserve better than a candidate who would align himself with someone like Nugent Mahr who offered a hate-filled assessment of the president. </blockquote

    • Steve

      Different set of rules.

      • D Parri

        Yep, I guess it just depends on who is telling the story at the time and who wants to make their claim of self-righteous indignation.

        The Demo-Heads do a lot of that.

  • Josh

    Nugent expressing this type of outrage with this type of language isn’t surprising anyone. An apology would seem beyond disingenuous. It would make him identical to the hacks whose careers are based on ringing that bell by saying whatsoever they please, and then apologizing when it all hits the fan. Ed Schultz is one that comes directly to mind. And Nugent has no real reason to go that route.

    So I don’t think Ted owes anyone an apology. He is who he is, a nasty, disruptive, disgruntled aging rocker who obviously harbors much disdain for the President.

    Stranglehold is still one of my favorite tunes. Nugent’s old reality show is something I find entertaining even to this day when I watch reruns. But he is exactly who he is, and the Republicans using him know this. Conservatives in the media know this. Liberals know and love this.

    People who align themselves with Ted, at this point, must share his thinking to an extent. And that’s fine. Just own it.

    The apologies make me sicker than people speaking their minds. I can take someone saying nasty things (albeit these things aren’t directed at me, so I have that luxury), but what I can’t stand are people who spout nonsense that they believe and then backpedal when the heat is on, acting like the rest of us are too naive to understand what’s what.

    I’m going to be a lot more worried when Nugent himself and conservatives in media start apologizing.

    They shouldn’t say this type of inflammatory nonsense, IMO, but treating everyone like children once they do–right, left, whatever–is even more disgusting.

  • Darren Perkins

    Why any politician would align themselves with a person that is obviously racist, although still holding some valid opinions, is beyond me. To me it speaks volumes about the particular politician. Ted Nugent is not an ally of anyone except his own self promotion. I say his ‘valid’ opinions have no credibility coming out of the same mouth that slings racial hatred onto those with whom he disagrees. Who cares what an ass-backwards racist thinks or why? He should retire and rant all day long in his living room where he is the king of his castle. Please leave the rest of us alone.

  • gold7406

    ted’s comment was totally uncalled for, but was it worse than bashir’s?
    folks on the left and right get caught up in the moment and completely lose their cool-

    • Bernie

      gold7406

      This is precisely what is wrong with so many conservatives. “Hey, what Ted said wasn’t as bad as what the other guy said.” While true, it’s pathetic. Conservatives should be better than that. They should condemn Nugent’s vile language — the same language used by Hitler — and not make lame excuses like the one you made. There is definitely a split on the right — and it’s between guys like you who will condemn Maher but not Nugent … and others who are far less hypocritical. And this is why the GOP is in trouble. Your side doesn’t like mine … and mine is embarrassed by yours.

      Bernie Goldberg

  • Steve

    Although the “subhuman mongrel” is no doubt directly offensive to blacks and biracials, Ted isn’t running for office. This is only minor compared to what we are going to be hearing from the mouths of Republican candidates in the coming months. Republican politicians have magnetic feet and iron mouths.

    Mark Bevin who is Mitch McConnell’s Tea Party rival in KY has already made comments regarding gay marriage. According to Bevin, parents will be marrying their children. …shades of Santorum…

    Ted’s metaphoric sound clips aren’t going to blow the Senate in 2014. Republican candidates who can’t help self-flagellating before the media are going to destroy their own chances.

    • Brian Fr Langley

      That’s funny? Barack Obama was against gay marriage just a couple of years ago, and it didn’t hurt his re-election chances?

      • Steve

        The left gets to play by a different set of rules and nothing will change that. Remember James Hoffa introducing Obama a a rally a few months ago? Nothing said recently about a group of people was quite as incendiary as Hoffa’s speech where he tore into the Tea Party. I took it as a call for violence but it was ignored by the press.

        Don’t count on Republicans taking the Senate. Obama has delayed the Obamacare sting. Republicans remain under the media magnifying glass and also will continue to be made fun of on late noght TV. That all see Alaska from their houses.

  • Skip in VA

    What the minorities in this country don’t realize is that the liberal democrats have enslaved them again. How? By making them dependent on government for everything from food to clothes to health care, and are reaching for more. So, much as the slaves before the civil war, these minorities depend on the slave owner (i.e. the government) for their very existence. And what does the slave owner get from the slaves, their vote. More slaves equal more votes equal more power.

    • Cheryl

      This is so true! I have been thinking along those lines for a while now, but looking for the right words to make my point without offending anyone! You have stated it very well.

      • Jack in MD

        Get real, It’s
        not just minorities! The welfare rolls are filled with more whites than blacks. Whites have our own slums, they are not as concentrated as in inner the cities. But they are there, and just as dependent upon the government, and just as ready to be dependent. IT IS NOT A BLACK-WHITE THING! It’s a flaw in human character. These people are willing to vote for their MASTERS who provide their welfare payments, subsidies, and circuses! It’s the roman mob all over again. The end of the Republic. God save America!

        • Cheryl

          Of course you are correct about whites being on welfare and increasingly dependent on government, too. While the slavery metaphor implies black/white it should certainly be more broadly interpreted in this era. But it is still a powerful metaphor that many can relate too, and might make people view government “largesse” in a different light. As you said, it is an issue of human nature, not a racial issue. People will invariably do what is easiest and best for them, rather than heed the long term consequences of their actions. The biggest challenge for government is to design a safety net for the needy that does not encourage dependence. This is no easy feat.

          • Jack in MD

            Goldberg’s article is about rhetoric. I love conservatives, like us, to speak from the heart, and to speak truths that are self evident. But we must choose the words carefully and not go down a loosing pathway, because of a silly simple minded avoidable statement. Like Ted Nugent’s potentially “racist” remarks. In a fit of anger (daily) I refer to BHO in very unfavorable terms, alone in my car or living room. If we want to win this country back, for those who gave so much, is it too much to ask for all of us, to be careful about the words we choose?

          • Cheryl

            Agreed — well said.

  • EddieD_Boston

    There’s an idiot born every minute. Prominent republicans need to disown these fools and make the point loudly and often.

    • Bernie

      Eddie

      EXACTLY!

      Bernie

  • Cheryl

    Great column, Bernie. Agree 100%. It’s time for all politicians to take responsibility for what is being said in the political arena. This issue is not whether Nugent apologizes or not; he has a right to his views, as idiotic and vile as they may be, as does Bill Maher. The issue is whether or not politicians openly align themselves with people like this. If they do, it’s the politicians who should be apologizing.

  • Brian Fr Langley

    In defense of Mr. Nugent (and there isn’t one) liberal excesses have made a whole lot of folks MAD as hell. Breitbart news points out, that the new ultra liberal Mayor of NewYork wants more abortion access? Then points out that more black babies are ABORTED than BORN in NewYork? (The execrable eugenicist Margaret Sangers plan, the “plan” in “planned” parenthood, coming to pass) With the stats now out, that 73% of all black children (being born) are being raised in single parent families, this means that a bare 13% of those conceived, go on to be raised by their own two parents. THIRTEEN PERCENT. Liberal policies are RACIST, with a capital R. They have created a community dependancy that’s utterly bereft of even a spark of humanity, and all this while claiming a higher morality. Which party vigorously opposed emancipation? (Democratic). Which party vigorously opposed integration? (Democratic). Which party is now happily condeming to poverty, (by creating dependancy) whole generations of America’s largest visible minority? Yes the “plan”, initiated by the Sangers and her ilk, are indeed bearing fruit. And a bitter fruit it is. Lovers of life and liberty, have good reason to be mad as hell.

    • JMax

      If I’m not mistaken Democratic opposition to slavery was settled about 160 years ago which means they’re all dead and bear no relevance to the Democratic Party today. And the “Democrats” who opposed integration in the 50s and 60s left the Democratic party and became Republicans. Go figure.

      As to the issue with blacks in New York, it seems what you’re saying is that black people should not be having sex. I’m guessing that black women having abortions are trying to lessen the odds of a black child growing up in a single-parent household. So it’s kind of one or the other, right? Otherwise “No sex for you!”

      • Brian Fr Langley

        So 87% of a communities renewal is NOT a social disaster? But chastity til marriage and a two parent household is? Yes I guess sexual promiscuity trumps social disaster in most liberal minds these days?

        • JMax

          First, your Breitbart-cited study is only for one year so it doesn’t mean much.

          Second, the number of babies “raised by their own two parents” ignores the possibility of any of these babies being adopted.

          Third, the number of babies being raised by a single parent does not take into account the death of a parent serving in the military or a parent incarcerated, or any other type of death, medical or accidental. It assumes abandonment.

          Since when did you, Breitbart, or any conservative care about whether or not the black community was renewing itself?

          Sexual promiscuity does not trump social disaster in anybody’s mind, especially liberals. Sexual promiscuity is a fact.

          What are YOU going to do about sexual promiscuity? What is your solution?

          • Brian Fr Langley

            “Sexual promiscuity is a fact”. Well since humans have been having sex for millenia, and then raising their own progeny, what “facts” are you referencing? The solution is simple and obvious. You are responsible for your own ignominous actions, period. We have no problem as a society holding people accountable for their other ignominious choices. Like lying, cheating, stealing, etc. How is asking me to pay to raise your babies, one whit different than theft? Like other immoral behaviours, illicit sex should be proscribed, not celebrated. In one western country’s jurisdiction I’m aware of, women must name their babies fathers, (or no welfare) fathers can then be paternity tested (DNA). Then they pay support or go to jail. And why should you blubber for them? As they themselves say, “if you can do the crime, you can do the time”. Wanna bet, than when the gravy train ceases, so to will the social disaster. And your comments about conservatives not caring about the black community is not just reprehensible, it’s sickening. Shame on you.

          • JMax

            So you can negatively generalize about liberals but I can’t generalize about conservatives? You’re a hypocrite. Shame on you.

            For millenia humans raised their progeny as a community.

            I blubber for no one, nor do I blubber for myself paying a small part of my earnings to help the needy.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            “for millenia humans raised their progeny as a community”. That old liberal saw. What a crock. That would imply a society where children either enjoyed a standard of living higher than than their fathers could provide (that extra community enrichment) or lower than their fathers could provide. (because the needier in the community took it) So which society might that have been? You know, in the last few millenia or so?
            The bald truth of civilization, is that unless their fathers had perished, their “village” held them personally responsible for food, shelter and clothing. They even invented a community enforcable compact to ensure it. We call it marriage. Where do suppose the idea of “illicit sex” comes from? Even going back to the beginning of civilization, (ancient Sumer) community enforcable monagamous compacts (marriage) have been found. No indeed, villages did NOT tolerate unfettered sexual intercourse (amongst community members), that could result in large numbers of community supported mouths to feed. That it seems, is an entirely modern (liberal) perversion.

          • Josh

            There are multiple versions of history regarding “marriage,” and which one a person decides to use is basically irrelevant to where we’re at today. However, marriage arising to start the nuclear family and to help society ward off unwanted children washes about as well as saying the Civil War was fought to thin the herd.

            “Illicit sex” in the historic context you’re using is code for “Women free to have sex without a man’s permission.”

            Women in early marriage had little say, by most accounts, being traded like cattle, and treated even worse. Men had complete authority over women. Complete. And men were free to stock up on extra wives, concubines and harlots a-plenty.

            So only women were held to these supposed moral standards. Men weren’t.

            You’re half right. The community wasn’t tolerating unfettered sexual intercourse. At least if you were a woman. A man? Do it — a lot! Knock somebody up? Make them a concubine. Or make them disappear. It was always only the women who were controlled in these societies.

            Even if their husbands died, the woman would often be forced to marry his brother or a close relative. That’s not available? Then her daddy regains complete control over her life.

            Brian, It’s obvious by the many times we’ve spoken here that we’re able to get along and voice our opinions. And, please, don’t take this to be condescending, but perhaps you may want to think about the downside of these historic arguments you present before you insist that some “liberal perversion” is somehow worse.

            We’re talking about women treated then like they are in places like Afghanistan today. Illicit sex itself wasn’t necessarily frowned upon; it’s just that women were considered a man’s property from womb to tomb. Finding a woman willing to risk her life for illicit sex was most definitely the exception.

            That system was far worse than anything we have going now.

            The worry in these places that fatherless children would run roughshod on the resources, if on the list at all, had to be well behind the fifty-point checklist on how to control women.

            I don’t want this society raising the children crap either. I want full-on personal responsibility. But marriage in those societies wasn’t typically good for anyone but the males.

            Marriage for love is something relatively new. For property, position, control, to populate, etc. — this is a time you’d rather inhabit, all because “illicit sex” supposedly wasn’t as rampant?

            My contention is that time travel has proven to be an impossibility in the future, or else someone would have returned from the future already. But that’s just an off-the-wall guess. Though if it happens in our lifetime, I’ll personally fund your trip back to those days just so I can see how it was vicariously through you.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Sounds like your being brainwashed by liberal fiction? Your whole argument presupposes that for millennia men have not loved their mothers, their sisters, their daughters or their wives? Yes it’s true virtually all civilizations divided the labor. Men supplied the labor for security and provision, while the women raised the babies. But to suggest they weren’t loved in their own homes by their own men, is simply doctrinaire fallacy. As I said “unfettered intercourse” was not tolerated, for either men or women. The “fetter” for men was provision. If you engaged in intercourse, the community insisted you provided a living for the woman you took to wife, and the progeny produced. And while true, millions of women married from a sense of duty to their families, virtually all civilizations required her consent. (thus a wedding ceremony). As for Islam, for most of their history their civilization cherished their women. As for the Taliban I don’t believe they have earned the term “civilized”. As to how women are treated today. As families disintegrate (through liberal policies) tens of millions (to quote you) are being “traded like cattle and even worse” We even use the word “trade” now to describe them. “Sex trade workers”. The FBI even had to rescue (very) young girls (being “traded”) at the superbowl for crying out loud. (some as young as 12 and 13). Perhaps you should think of these poor little girls, while you spout off the liberal mantra “you’ve come a long way baby”.

          • Josh

            I typed out a long response to this, but it went to moderation. I guess that means it’s not going to show up.

            So I’ll just say two things here.

            1) No, my “whole argument” does nothing of the sort. I’m not even sure how you could infer that honestly; it seems far more like quibbling with a single word to spite the entire comment.

            2) What do those little girls have to do with liberals?

          • Sheila Warner

            Hey, Josh, better beware! Once the good Fr starts throwing around the slogan “you’ve come a long way, baby”, the discussion is about to turn into red herrings and obfuscations. I speak from personal experience.

          • Josh

            Oh, I’m quite aware of how discussions go with Brian. But thanks! lol

            They typically manage to veer off course almost immediately, and then I’m met with supposed facts that don’t check out once I do some checking.

            After 8 separate times of being told to look something up, I’ve found on all 8 occasions that what I find is 180 degrees different than what he writes. And then I’m told that this isn’t a forum for “serious debate,” so….heck if I know. It’s okay to pose abstract pieces of opinion as facts because we’re not professionals here? I’m always lost in these things, but I, like many others, enjoy the back-and-forth.

            I just know I posted a response to the above comment already, using the same language I used in the original, and it went to moderation. Which, I guess, means it’s not going to be posted.

            If you’re looking for an entertaining Fr exchange, Sheila, check out Bill O’Reilly’s old post about Atheism’s Fateful Flock. That’s my personal favorite between him and me.

            And you or him should point me in the direction of your exchange(s). I want to troll somebody! :)

          • Sheila Warner

            I can’t remember the blog article in which our back and forth took place. Someone posted that the word for “virgin” in the Qur’an was raison or something to that effect, in the original language. We got to talking about how a woman’s virginity often is the only thing men find valuable, and in marches the good Fr. He kept talking about marriage, and marriage was not at all what I was discussing. He brought everything back to single pregnant teens, and wow! they’ve come a long way, baby!, so I think he just wanted to say that phrase. When I saw him use it on you, it brought back the circle game, which the good Fr sees as real dialogue. Nothing he said was germane.

          • Josh

            Well, to be fair, a single pregnant teen in Fr’s ideal world wouldn’t be single for long. Granted, she wouldn’t be able to drive, vote, leave the home without permission, or speak above a conversational tone, but she would instantly be wed to the innocent male who fell victim to her who-ah advances.

            However, if the ancient world is the gauge for morality in marriage, she probably wouldn’t have been a pregnant teen anyway. So I need to apologize for my recent hyperbole. She would be a married preteen whose father selected her husband in exchange for a goat and a 2-pack of spit-mead.

            We men know what’s best for you wimmenz. The liberals have ruined the harmony. Now we have to buy sports cars to compensate; we can’t just reign over your lives while claiming divine law without a fight.

            All joking aside, though: every catch phrase needs a vehicle to ride in on. I mean, Joe Buck doesn’t just run around saying “slamma-lamma-ding-dong” out of the blue.

          • Sheila Warner

            :-D

          • Brian Fr Langley

            “Nor do I blubber for myself paying a small part of my earnings to help the needy” What a flaming hypocrite. If you wish to help the needy. Give to charity like I do. Don’t vote for your Government to take by force, that which people have earned and do not wish to give. Why should folks be coerced to pay for other peoples sexual exploitations. If you like sex, great. Make a choice, bear the consequences.

          • JMax

            A true Sex Nazi: “No sex for YOU!”

            I guess the difference between you and me is that apparently you think taxes are immoral and confiscatory. I pay what i owe without complaint and STILL give to charity.

            For you it’s all about sex, obsessive, like you aren’t getting any.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            According to your way of thinking, you owe whatever the Government tells you, you owe? I guess when the King of England sent you his bill, you would just paid it. After all, who are you to say where your taxes should go?

          • JMax

            No, actually. The income tax system in the US is predicated on “voluntary compliance”. I tell the government what I owe according to the laws passed by the representatives of the people (who also decide where the money should go) and the IRS tells me if I’m wrong.

            There is no king of England to send me a bill nor am I a British citizen.

            There’s a lot of things my tax money gets spent on that I don’t like, such as funding dumb wars, dumb weapons, maintaining Gitmo, paying oil companies and rich farmers subsidies, etc. But the “government” only spends what the people’s representatives tell them to spend.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            While my former comment was meant “tongue in cheek”, it does beg the question, so what level of taxes are you willing to pay, so other folks don’t have to support their own families? Also you mention the “peoples representatives”, America revolted over “no taxation without representation”. But as we learned in the last election some 47% of Americans pay no Federal taxes? You now have “representation without taxation”. That is the folks who don’t pay taxes, are voting on things which don’t affect them at all. While the folks who pay taxes, are increasingly outvoted to pay for more subsidies to the non payers? In fact democracy’s key failing, is the old saw, “when the majority figure out how to loot the minority, they will”. That’s why America was NOT founded as a democracy. It’s a Republic. That is, it’s governed by the rule of law, not majorities. (otherwise courts couldn’t legalize gay marriage over State run referendums). Unhappily several administrations during the last few decades have run roughshod over the rule of law, and a fat corpulent Congress has let them.

          • JMax

            I reject the premise of the question. I’m willing to pay whatever taxes the law says I should. I’m quite willing to pay taxes to assist people in need EVEN IF a small number of people are playing the system. I’d rather a portion of my taxes go to adding government employees to investigate or audit to find abusers than to cut funds from people who need them. Of course that might be construed as an ever growing, more powerful “central government”. It’s ironic that many people complain about the size of government at the same time they complain about abuse and fraud.

            The 47% figure is misleading. Any American who earns a paycheck pays Federal payroll taxes. Anyone who drives pays gasoline taxes, excise taxes on tires, etc. I have a severely disabled brother whose medical expenses far exceed his taxable income. Is he not allowed to have a vote? If I’ve worked and paid taxes all my life but I’m now living off the income from my tax-free bonds does that mean I don’t get a vote? Does a person in poverty with a job whose earned income tax credit is greater than his tax liability not get a vote?

            By what logic is paying taxes the only thing that might affect any of these folks in determining that which they might want to vote on?

          • Brian Fr Langley

            “at the same time they complain about abuse and fraud”. Okay I’m with you here. I’ll go for more Government Inspectors, and happily pay my voluntary taxes, if only the truly needy get help. Single parent mothers though, have to shed light on paternity (or no welfare) and recalcitrant fathers have to provide for their progeny. Work or jail. (unless truly disabled). And no free rides for anybody. I’ve never met a (real) liberal, who would even happily agree to the Clinton Governments work requirements. (since cancelled by President Obama)

          • JMax

            “since cancelled by President Obama”

            Totally untrue. The president ALLOWED states to change the work requirement only IF they could demonstrate at their plans were at least if not more effective in promoting employment than the federal rules. You know, like not insisting that “one size fits all”.

      • Robert Strong

        If people would wait until they’re married to have sex without contraceptives, then there wouldn’t be so many single-parent households, and people wouldn’t be getting so many abortions.

        • JMax

          Yeah, if only. But they don’t . So what is your solution?

      • Jeff Webb

        >>And the “Democrats” who opposed integration in the 50s and 60s left the Democratic party and became Republicans.<<

        Got a link?

        • JMax

          Majorities of both parties voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act, so it is a lie to claim that the Democratic Party “vigorously opposed” it. As to conversion of the Southern Democrats, here is one of many links:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats

          • Jeff Webb

            I checked it out, and found it interesting that there were so many southern democrats who remained democrats, including civil rights obstructionists like Fulbright & Byrd. Doesn’t support your earlier claim very well.

          • JMax

            The larger point is that saying Democrats opposed emancipation or Democrats opposed the civil rights act is as relevant to today’s Democrats as saying Italians conquered the world is relevant to today’s Italians.

          • Jeff Webb

            Even larger point: democrats’ constant claim that the GOP is the party of bigotry is a lie.

            Whether it’s centuries ago, decades ago, or recently, the generalization of Republican racism/democrat tolerance is a myth.

  • Brian Fr Langley

    Hard to imagine more pejorative language than that? YUCK. What a dip$h%t. But of course CNN will tell the Nation that while liberal comedians don’t speak for liberals, Teddie almost certainly is spouting conservatism’s “hidden” agenda.

    • Darren Perkins

      This is sad but very true. Liberals will do and say anything to achieve their purposes. They will use the same arguments that they denounce in different circumstances. (i.e. Obama had nothing to do with IRS targeting of conservatives… but with ‘bridgegate’ the fish stinks from the head down) They will outright lie to the American public (‘if you like your coverage you can keep it’) . There will be some bad people on both sides of the political spectrum but with liberals this has truly become an epidemic. Our President out and out flouts the constitution and always talks like he has the best interest of the country at heart but ‘Hope and Change’ has turned into ‘hope’ they don’t realize I’m full of sh*t and later I’ll ‘change’ and do the opposite of what I’ve said.

      • JMax

        There was no IRS targeting of conservatives.

        • Integrity

          Then please explain why Lois Lerner needed to plead the 5th. QED

          • JMax

            There is no evidence that she “needed” to plead the 5th. She chose to plead the 5th because she did not wish to be compelled to testify before the committee. No investigation by ANYBODY has found any suggestion that Lerner is suspected of criminal activities, much less guilty, and in fact all findings point to her incompetence and mismanagement of the agency.

          • Integrity

            To sorta quote LE, how do you know why she pleaded the 5th? I have a feeling you are going to believe what you want to, regardless of evidence to the contrary. So much for the most transparent and open administration in history. QED

          • JMax

            I don’t know why and neither do you. It’s between her and her lawyer. The fact is she has not been accused of any crime or of any purposeful wrong-doing, political or otherwise. She has been found to have been guilty of mismangement, nothing more.

            The fact that one person has for whatever reason invoked the 5th Amendment has no bearing on the transparency of the administration one way or another. In fact, the IRS has not withheld any information from the congressional committee or hampered its investigation in any way (except to contradict some of the lies perpetrated by the car thief chairman).

          • Integrity

            LOL. How would you know whether the IRS has withheld information or not? When Lerner pleaded the 5th, did that not hamper the investigation? Totally relevant to the transparency of this administration. Wishing for things to be true does not make them “facts”. You should quit digging. QED

          • JMax

            Has Lerner been accused of withholding information relevant to the investigation? She invoked the 5th because she said members of the committee had previously falsely accused her of provided false testimony.

            I don’t wish for things to be true. I read things that are true.

          • Integrity

            Or the lies you wish to be true. Good grief! QED

          • sjangers

            Sorry I missed this earlier. It has to be one of the more absurd justifications I’ve seen you offer for the gang currently running the Executive Branch. The evidence that Lerner “needed” to plead the Fifth is prima facie. She invoked the privilege.

            The Fifth Amendment protects all Americans from being compelled to give testimony against themselves in a criminal trial. That privilege is also extended to situations where testimony under oath could lead to criminal charges. It doesn’t protect them from having to testify before Congress if it’s inconvenient, or if they just don’t want to do so. If Lerner did not reasonably believe her testimony could be used in a criminal prosecution, or could lead to other evidence that might be so used against her, she has no right to assert this privilege. So by pleading the Fifth, Lerner either seriously believed that her words could be self-incriminating or she was, in effect, committing perjury.

          • JMax

            Greetings!

            “Gang”? Black leather jackets and berets?

            Prima facie means clear or true on its face. In other words, you’re saying that it is obvious that she committed a crime so she “needed” to invoke the 5th. All this while a number of committee members are debating whether or not such an invocation is valid under the circumstances. She flatly stated that she has committed no crime nor done anything illegal and to date she has not been accused of a crime.

            The ONLY thing we know about why she invoked the 5th is that her lawyer said that some committee members were mis-characterizing her testimony as suggesting criminal acts, so she decided to stop providing any further testimony that might similarly be mis-characterized. The method she used to stop providing answers which might be mis-characterized as incriminating was to invoke the 5th.

            To date no criminal charges have been made against Lerner. No accusations of specific criminal activity have been made against Lerner. No legal actions by the Congress against Lerner for invoking the 5th have been taken. Why is that? Probably because such action will confirm that nothing criminal was done and Issa and the GOP will not be able to flog the issue to death.

          • sjangers

            Yeah, Jim. I know what prima facie means. That’s why I used that particular expression as I did.

            When Lerner invoked her privilege against self-incrimination she was saying, in effect, that she had a reasonable belief that by giving testimony she was opening herself to criminal prosecution and conviction. If she doesn’t have that reasonable belief, she has no right to assert the privilege. Hence, invoking her right in this instance is prima facie evidence that she “needed” ( as Integrity worded it) to do so.

            It’s possible that Lerner lied to Congress about her need to assert her right against self-incrimination. It’s possible that she actually believes her lawyer’s weasely justification for invoking her privilege. But any reasonable person, confronted with the evidence, would believe that she had a firm belief that she might incriminate herself by testifying when she chose to assert her privilege, even if they couldn’t take that reasonable belief into consideration were they triers of fact in a criminal proceeding.

          • JMax

            I disagree. I think there is a difference between testimony that admits a crime and testimony that might be used to accuse her of a crime.

            Regardless, this is just a smoke screen to keep the issue alive. Lerner has been accused of no criminal act. She has been charged with no criminal act. No criminal acts have been charged against anybody at the IRS. So any discussion of her taking the 5th is really moot.

          • sjangers

            Well, Jim, the key word in this entire discussion is “reasonable”. And people with a political agenda can be pretty unreasonable. But for Lerner to responsibly assert the privilege against self-incrimination, she has to have a reasonable belief that she would open herself to prosecution _and_ conviction in a criminal proceeding if she gave testimony. Thinking that her political enemies might use her testimony to hurt her, or use her testimony to open a criminal proceeding that has no reasonable chance of going anywhere, isn’t a reasonable belief that she might be prosecuted and convicted.

            Have you considered the possibility that the reason Lerner has been accused of no criminal act, or that she has been charged with no criminal act, might have something to do with the fact that she invoked her Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination? White collar crime, as I’m sure you might know, can be particularly difficult to prosecute without cooperating witnesses.

            There’s enough smoke billowing around this entire stinking mess for reasonable people to conclude that something wrong happened here and that we ought to find out what that was. Heck, it took a Democrat-controlled Congress almost three years of unimpeded investigation and hearings before they were finally able to get enough on Nixon to drive him out of office, and it’s still open to question whether or not there was enough evidence to get a criminal conviction against him had Ford not issued his pardon. You’re sounding an awful lot like the President in your defense of him and his administration: “What? It’s been a week and you still don’t have enough evidence for an indictment? You need to stop playing politics and let the country move on to more important things!” Pure b.s., Jim. Pure, self-serving b.s.

          • JMax

            “But for Lerner to responsibly assert the privilege against
            self-incrimination, she has to have a reasonable belief that she would
            open herself to prosecution _and_ conviction in a criminal proceeding if
            she gave testimony.”

            This is refuted by Ohio v. Reiner.

            “Have you considered the possibility that reason Lerner has been accused of no criminal act, or that she has been charged with no criminal act, might have something to do with the fact that she invoked her Fifth Amendment privilege”

            No. Most criminals don’t testify against themselves. How do they get convicted? There has to be some actual evidence that a crime has been committed and that the subject is linked to that crime. The committee cannot simply assume Lerner committed a crime without evidence that a crime was committed.

            “There’s enough smoke billowing around this entire stinking mess for reasonable people to conclude that something wrong happened here and that we ought to find out what that was.”

            Most people agree that something wrong happened. The wrong was Ms Lerner’s failure to manage the auditing process once it was discovered that what was going on was not in keeping with standard IRS procedures.There is no evidence that the process or Lerner’s failure to correct it was criminal. All of this has been well-investigated and made widely known.

            The Watergate investigation was unimpeded? Most of the convictions were perjury and obstruction of justice. Not enough evidence for a criminal conviction? Have you not heard the tapes?

            The BS is the suggestion that the White House had anything to do with the goings on at the IRS.

          • sjangers

            That’s where Lerner’s assertion gets weasely, Jim. In Reiner the witness asserting privilege, Batt, had reasonable belief that her testimony might incriminate her, despite her insistence that she was innocent, because the defense for Reiner was the assertion that Batt was responsible for the death of the child. While some might disagree with the Court in this case, at least there was a more proximate danger for the witness asserting privilege than existed in Lerner’s circumstances at the time she asserted privilege.

            Sorry I’m not going to bother with your next two paragraphs. Trying to dig through all the indirect assertions and (deliberate?) misunderstandings of the points I was making just isn’t worth it in a thread that’s already moving on.

            Your questioning of my suggestion that the Watergate investigation was unimpeded can at least be addressed fairly directly and easily. I was addressing the political circumstances. Democrats had a solid majority in both houses of Congress in the early- and mid-Seventies (perhaps why they chose in 1973 to only go back three years in their investigation of financial abuses of presidential campaigns, since there were many allegations of the same against the 1968 Humphrey campaign). Unimpeded from an internal political perspective, unlike today when we have a Democrat-controlled and obstructionist Senate.

            I’m not sure where the suggestion that the White House was responsible for the IRS scandal might be coming. I’m suggesting that there is a lot of smoke and many questions that still need to be answered, despite your assertion that this has been well-investigated and the findings made known.

          • JMax

            “Batt, had reasonable belief that her testimony might incriminate her, despite her insistence that she was innocent”

            And Lerner had reasonable belief that her testimony might incriminate her, despite her insistence that she was innocent. In other words she could reasonably have felt that her testimony could make her appear guilty even though she wasn’t (as she insisted).

            The House Judicial Committee didn’t have to go back any further than three years. They weren’t investigating campaign finance irregularities in general. They were investigating specific charges against specific people.

            I reject any characterization that the Senate is obstructionist solely because of its Democratic majority.

            Surely you know that the GOP has made every possible effort to tie the White House to the IRS audits of 501c applications.

            What questions are unanswered?

          • sjangers

            Jim, you have a not-entirely-charming habit of avoiding the crux of issues when it doesn’t serve your purpose, and misdirection when direct resolution of disagreement isn’t going to be fruitful for you. When you and I first started exchanging comments you remarked that many people who responded to you weren’t civil. I begin to see a cause and effect.

            My point on Reimer was that Batt asserted privilege because her risk of self-incrimination was magnified because she was the last person with the dead child (didn’t mention that directly) and Reimer’s defense was that she was responsible for the child’s death (I did mention that and you avoided the point in your response). Lerner’s testimony took place outside of a criminal proceeding. There was no indication that criminal charges were pending. There’s still dispute about whether or not a crime was committed. Her situation and Batt’s were substantially different. Perhaps the Supreme Court would eventually hold that she was entitled to assert privilege, if they were ever to entertain the question. But for now, her assertion is beyond the pale of precedent. Under those circumstances, I think my previous observations- as well as Integrity’s- were appropriate.

            The House investigation of campaign finance abuses was presented as a broad and non-partisan attempt to explore financial wrongdoing in political campaigns. As such, it’s scope was surprisingly narrow.

            Reject whatever your wish about the Senate today. Just get Harry Reid to say it is or it ain’t so. I’m sure that will be enough for the rest of us.

            I know that many House Republicans believe that the White House was involved with the IRS scandals. I don’t know that they’ve yet made every possible effort to make that connection. There has been a lot of push back from the Administration that hasn’t made it easy to get answers. You may be satisfied that you know all you want to know. That doesn’t mean that the rest of us feel all the appropriate questions have been answered yet.

          • JMax

            I’m not as concerned about the specific details of Reimer as I am in the conclusion that a person may invoke the 5th even if they do not think they are guilty of a crime.

            In the case of the IRS, I don’t believe their is a dispute as to whether or not a crime was committed. That would imply that some think there was and some think there wasn’t. But I know of no evidence that would justify thinking there was a crime, only conjecture that something, something criminal must have occurred.

            Can you point me to any documentation of committee actions to either punish Lerner for improper use of the 5th or to compel her to testify?

            I am not defending Lois Lerner per se. My theory is that she used what she know about the inspector general’s report to deflect the blame of her mismanagement of the process and to provide the GOP with an issue that they could attack the IRS and the administration with.

            Whether that is true or not, every organization that applies for 501c3 status should be audited to make sure they comply with the law that they do not engage in ANY political activity. The IRS did not have the manpower to audit every application in a timely manner so they devised a method to prioritize, a method that was crude and flawed. Lerner knew about this and did nothing to correct it. This is all public knowledge.

            As to “push back” from the administration, what questions are unanswered at this point? What do you think happened here? What is the scandal?

          • sjangers

            The specific details of Reimer are critical, Jim. The Court doesn’t conclude that any person who believes they are innocent may still invoke their Fifth Amendment privilege. It concluded that Batt could do so under these very specific circumstances because her close proximity to legal jeopardy created a reasonable probability that her testimony could make her a witness against herself in a future criminal proceeding, despite her belief that she wasn’t guilty of any crime. Not only did Lerner lack the close proximity to legal jeopardy, you go on in your next paragraph to point out that not only are no criminal charges pending, but you claim that there wasn’t even a crime committed! So if there was no crime, there is no criminal investigation under way, and Lerner absolutely, positively did nothing wrong, how can she assert privilege? Your chain of reasoning is preposterous.
            There probably will be no punishment of Lerner for improperly asserting her privilege. It’s entirely possible that we’ll discover she had every reason to do so. And if she did assert privilege improperly, it’s not going to be easy to prove. More white collar crime. Without a paper trail it can be awfully difficult to determine who know what and when, or the intent of individuals.
            Your next assertion gets even more interesting. Do you really believe that Lerner was in bed with Congressional Republicans and is trying to help them attack the IRS and the Obama Administration? I’m… amazed. You didn’t happen to serve as counsel for Reimer during his trial, did you?
            I agree that it’s reasonable to require organizations applying for 501(c)(3) or 501(c)(4) status to document their eligibility for that status. That’s never been in question by anyone. The question is why all applying organizations weren’t treated the same in this process during the run-up to the 2012 election. Organizations whose name suggested they might be conservative-leaning were subjected to much more intense scrutiny, and had to wait much longer (usually until after the election), to have their eligibility determined.
            It shouldn’t have taken very long to determine why they were treated differently, so why was any explanation so long in coming? Did the CIA and FBI have to provide input on the talking points? Does the fact that this process worked out to the President’s political advantage, much like the administration’s slow drip Benghazi story, at a politically sensitive time, not suggest that we ought to take a close look to ensure that it wasn’t simply the result of more than bureaucratic incompetence?
            The way access to this information has played out in slow motion, much like it did during the scandals of the Clinton Presidency, might suggest more than black serendipity at work here. Rather than leave questions hanging over the President’s head, I think all patriotic Americans would want these questions investigated as thoroughly as possible, so we can clear the President’s good name and enable him to lead a united America to the better place where he is so clearly capable of taking us, if not for the clouds of doubt hanging around his credibility. Come on, Jim! Be an American patriot! Join me in demanding that these unfair questions about the President be thoroughly investigated, so his good name can be cleared and he can return to providing the outstanding… well, perhaps good… um, providing leadership…. oh, hell… let’s just get this cleared up completely so we don’t have to hear about it any more.

          • JMax

            I’m not going to argue about Reimer or the 5th any longer because it is inconsequential. She did invoke it, properly or improperly, but the only thing she might be guilty of in that regard is what? Contempt of Congress? She doesn’t have a lock on that.

            In the end, there is no evidence of a crime being committed, so the Lerner invocation is moot.

            I think it’s possible Lerner had ulterior motives. It’s clear she knew about the report and that it reflected poorly on her.

            ” The question is why all applying organizations weren’t treated the same in this process during the run-up to the 2012 election.”

            There is no evidence that organizations were treated differently based on their political persuasion. It was mostly conservative groups who complained, but there absolutely were progressive groups who reported that they were subject to the exact same treatment, questions, and delays. Otherwise the only difference was the prioritization.

            The “run-up” to the 2012 election is irrelevant. It’s a false flag. If a group was a political group it was not prohibited to engage in political activity by the IRS since it was not a charitable organization. It only needed IRS approval if it’s activities were solely charitable in nature. So you can’t complain about being kept from campaigning against Obama at the same time you are claiming to be a charitable organization prohibited from political activity.

            There is still no determination that conservatives were treated differently from progressives. However, the process was noted and made public by the Inspector General’s report before Lerner ever testified, so I don’t understand why there is a question about how long it took to show what happened.

            There is no evidence whatsoever that anything “worked out to the President’s political advantage”. See above. A group is either political or not and free to operate if they are.

            There has been no “slow drip” in the Benghazi story. There is only that the administration opponents will not accept what has been shown over and over again to be true.

            I have no questions about the President’s good name. There is nothing in either of these issues that impugns his good name. All questions have been answered (except what Stevens was doing in Benghazi and I don’t believe any member of the committee has ever asked that question).

            Don’t question my patriotism.

          • sjangers

            You’re arguing in circles, Jim. But you’re right in suggesting that the conversation isn’t getting us anywhere. I might enjoy disputing each of the points you made, but I doubt that would accomplish much. While the absurdity of some of your latest assertions is self-evident, you’re not going to let go until you have absolutely no leg left to stand on. It took five or six lengthy exchanges just to get you to admit that Lerner may have asserted privilege improperly. I must have better things to do. So, with the exception of this spiteful little missive, you have the last word.

        • Darren Perkins

          you are totally ridiculous.

          • JMax

            Such profundity.

        • wally12

          There was overwhelming evidence that conservative groups got the majority of the targeting. The few that were liberals were just for cover. They knew what they were doing was wrong so please don’t try to spin it. It will not hold water. The IRS was careful to just delay the approval by asking, delaying and re-asking questions

          as a means of appearing that their tactics were not against the law. In theory, a law suit can’t be initiated without showing cause and the IRS purposely commit that act to punish conservatives. It is time to eliminate the IRS by going to a flat tax or something similar which would reduce the size of the IRS to something manageable.

          • JMax

            “The few that were liberals were just for cover.” That’s pure horse manure. The word “progressive” was on the BOLO list. Several “liberal” groups including Progressive Texas complained that their application was being unduly delayed.

            There is no evidence that the IRS broke the law or purposely delayed any approvals for political reasons. Remember a 501c4 cannot by definition be engaged in any political activity, so a complaint that they were stalled because of the 2012 election belies their contention that their activities were not political.

            The only reason that this problem came about was that the IRS was trying to find ways to streamline their process because of an increase in applications and no increase in personnel to handle them. The IRS needs to be expanded in size to be able to do their job.

          • wally12

            Where do you get this dribble? The IRS is not trying to streamline anything. That is why they held back of processing the vast amount of conservative requests and only a few liberal ones? Give me a break. You are right there isn’t enough evidence yet to sue at this point.

          • JMax

            Dribble [sic]? The IRS office that audits applications for 501cs was being inundated with applications, more than they could handle effectively. So they created the BOLO list (Be On the Look Out) to focus on organization names that sounded like they might be political in nature (which is not allowed in 501c4s, and only partially allowed in 501c3s).

            So they looked for terms like Tea Party, Occupy, Israel, and progressive in the organization names because they suggested political, not social activities.

            BTW, 501c3s are allowed to operate without IRS approval if they are not engaged in political activities. So the complaining groups were either NOT kept from their activities by the IRS or they were looking to do political activities strictly barred by law.

          • wally12

            The proof that the IRS was purposely delaying action showed up in testimony to congress where Tea Party organizations were repeatedly asked irrelevant questions and created back and forth stupid questions for the purpose of delay.

        • Jeff Webb

          JMax, liberal groups were not treated like conservative ones were. That is a false claim liberals have been spreading since the whole thing came to light: http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2013/08/01/study-100-percent-of-liberal-groups-targeted-by-the-irs-were-approved-just-46-percent-of-conservative-orgs/

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            There’s nothing like a debunked Democratic talking point to talk oneself out of recognizing the truth.

          • JMax

            Your hot air link is meaningless since in compares multiple terms in “conservative” organization names against only the word “progressive” for “liberal” organization names. A number of other liberal terms were audited such as “occupy” and “israel”.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Your hot air link is meaningless since in compares multiple terms in “conservative” organization names against only the word “progressive” for “liberal” organization names.<<

            Please post a "meaningful" link, then.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            debunkedLiberalMyths.com

          • Jeff Webb

            Is that a real site? Couldn’t find it at all.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            No. It was a joke.