Which is More Honest: Roller Derby or the Obama Administration?

LenoJay Leno had a good line the other night.  ““We wanted a president that listens to all Americans – now we have one.”

“They closed the gift shop at the White House today,” he said, “and opened a Verizon store.”

For those of you who have been in a coma or too busy keeping up with the Kardashians, Leno was talking about how the National Security Agency is spying on our phone records (and e-mail accounts). “This has caused a panic among civil libertarians, constitutional scholars and cheating husbands everywhere.”  Rim shot!

“I mean what’s going on?” Leno wondered. “The White House has looked into our phone records, checking our computers, monitoring our e-mails. When did the government suddenly become our psycho ex-girlfriend? When did that happen?”

And the big finish: “You know, I’ll tell you, if Obama wants to put this snooping thing to good use, how about spying on the IRS next time they throw a $4 million party. Why don’t you do that one?”

Jokes aside, despite the fact that I don’t want the government spying on us without a good reason, I’m not getting all worked up over this.  The NSA is keeping watch on 3 billion of our phone calls – a day.  The civil libertarian in me says I should be worried.  But I checked my blood pressure and it’s not rising. Fighting terrorism, after all, isn’t like going after litterbugs.  The government has to balance security with privacy.  President Obama is right: You can’t have 100 percent of both with no inconvenience.  So if they’re snooping on us, I”m not thrilled, but I’ll figure out a way to survive.

And the president is also right when he says it’s about trust, about how we have to trust that our government is looking out for us, that it’s only concern is going after the bad guys.  Trust is important.  Telling the truth matters.  Now we get to the part that really makes me nervous.

Consider this:

In testimony to Congress, IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman said that the agency is not targeting Tea Party-related groups for their politics.

That’s not true.

Under oath, Attorney General Eric Holder told the House Judiciary Committee: “In regard to potential prosecution of the press for the disclosure of material:  This is not something I’ve ever been involved in, heard of, or would think would be wise policy.”

Really?  This is the same Eric Holder who personally signed a petition for a warrant against Fox News reporter James Rosen, saying he might be a “co-conspirator” in violation of the Espionage Act.

Susan Rice went on five Sunday news programs and said an anti-Muslim video was behind the mayhem in Benghazi.

I don’t think so.

Then Jay Carney said the White House had nothing to do with scrubbing terrorism from the Benghazi talking points.  Later it came out that the White House had a lot to do with it.

And at a hearing of the Senate Intelligence Committee on March 12 of this year, Senator Ron Wyden asked this question of James Clapper, the director of national intelligence:  “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?” Clapper responded: “No, sir.”

Roller derby is more honest than this administration.

I don’t think the National Security Agency needs to see hundreds of millions of phone records and e-mails to catch terrorists.  But, as I say, you can’t have total privacy in a world occupied by people who want to blow us up.

So I have no problem if the NSA takes a close look at the guy who is making 17 phone calls a week to the al Qaeda Boys Club in Yemen.  But I’m worried that our government may also be spying on the American who makes “too many” phone calls to the Republican National Committee.

Paranoid?  Let’s give Jay Leno the final say on that:

“Actually, President Obama clarified the situation today. He said no one is listening to your phone calls. The president said it’s not what the program is all about. You know, like the IRS isn’t about targeting certain political groups. That’s not what it’s about!”

 

 

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  • Melvyn Forman

    Mr. Goldberg I listen to you all the time and I believe you are a real straight shooter. I cannot fathom how the Debbie Boone commercial can be any part of your email! All it looks like to me is a “PHOTOSHOP” before /after ad.

    This is much below your integrity !!!! Look at the claims and you will agree.
    Mel

  • joer1

    See if you all can figure out my comment … We have ‘re-elected” a POTUS who cannot throw a baseball from the mound to home plate … need I say more?

    • 1940voter

      Are you saying he’s a girly girly? Plays basketball like a puffster also

      • joer1

        No. Try again.
        If you don’t want to play … let me know and I will tell you what I mean.

  • Wil

    Bernie, There’s no reason to be concerned about an agency with a director who feels free to lie under oath. Right?

    • plsilverman

      give us proof of that “lie”. who in the RNC-Newscorp.-ALEC has decided that?

      • Wil

        I’d say Clapper!

        • plsilverman

          shucks, I aint-a follerin’ yer! :)

  • plsilverman

    yes, it’s a lousy situation..goes against the grain of what we learned in grade school. But we were handed a War on Terror by the previous adm. So Bush II and Obama have to work with the Patriot Act. Many Presidents have walked the line with the Constitution during a time of war.

  • Wheels55

    What bothers me is not having been informed that all of this information is being collected and stored. I think one should have the ability to choose not to have their information collected and stored. A national registry where you check a box: Yes, keep my records, or No, do not store my information.

    • Bob Hadley

      If you know, the bad guys know. DUH! Do you really think they’d check “Yes”?
      Many of these terrorists are clever, witting and methodical. Only a fool would underestimate them.
      If there were another terrorist attack and if it were determined that certain minimally invasive security could have prevented that attack, many of the Obama-haters would be clamoring for his impeachment (nay, his scalp), as would various Republican demagogues.

      • Wheels55

        I think the bad guys know even if I don’t. Try not to see everything as political. My privacy is dear to me no matter who is in the White House.

        • Bob Hadley

          ” think the bad guys know even if I don’t.”
          Why do you think that? They might suspect it and try to work around it, but the temptation to use electronics is too great when three’s only a mild suspicion. Years before 9/11, Osama Bin Laden use his cell phone until a story came out that his cell phone was being tracked. Then what did he do? He stopped using his cell phone. Maybe 9/11 would have been averted (even by the Key Stone cops in the White House at the time) if that info had not been leaked.

          You’re right about one thing: this isn’t or, at least, shouldn’t be political. The Patriot Act made me nervous, but the specter of another 9/11 made me more nervous. A lot of the Bush Administration’s policies on terrorism made me nervous, but the specter of another 9/11 made me more nervous. Ditto with the Obama administration.

          I gave the Bush Administration the benefit of the doubt when they aid their programs prevented terrorist acts. I did this despite their shameful (nay, disgraceful) propaganda campaign leading up to the invasion of Iraq.

          It’s imp. to have as many built-in safeguards as possible – secured briefings to key members of Congress, the FISA Court. There is still some possibility of abuse, but at least the possibility of another 9/11 is substantially reduced.

    • legal eagle

      Did you complain when Bush gathered your info? Probably not…

      • Wheels55

        I did worry about it.
        I complain about Obama and his gang because they are in a position to do something about all of the problems facing us. Bush is no longer in that position. Complaining about Bush or even pointing fingers at him will not accomplish anything. My concern is that Obama continues to sweep disturbing issues under the rug rather than take action and be transparent about what the Feds do.

        • legal eagle

          So you are saying that the Obama administration should tell the CIA, NSA and Congress that they oppose a program that will stop terrorist threats so they can be criticized for being soft on terrorism? Are you kidding?

          • Wheels55

            There isn’t much proof that these invasive programs that spy on honest citizens will stop terrorism. That is my point. I am all for stopping terrorist with what works. The Boston bombings still happened. 09/11/2001 still happened. Ft. Hood still happened. Benghazi still happened (even though that could have been avoided).

            Even with a leash law, the occasional bad dog will get loose. Just because some dogs still get out, does it make sense to require multiple leashes on all dogs and a GPS collar? The bad ones will still get out. A balance is needed that is fair to the honest people (or even you, the dog).

          • legal eagle

            I don’t disagree…I understand the problem…What’s your solution?

          • Wheels55

            My solution is to elect people who can and will get ahead of an issue and not continually put off action. 9 months since Benghazi and all we have is “what does it matter”. No answers for other issues. The solution won’t come out of me or even you – it is supposed to come from the people we elect to lead.

          • legal eagle

            Solutions to what? The Benghazi problem? That’s your solution to elect Republicans?

          • legal eagle

            What proof would you expect? You want the government to announce the methods used to stop a potential terrorist threat? You appear to be one of those heads I win , tails you lose guys…Whatever happens when the Dems are in office is bad….prove it’s not?
            Of course, when I ask for you solution you have no response…

          • George Williams

            No, what I think that Whee55 is telling us that we are getting an all powerful government, one that if ruled by the wrong president, one who’s as corrupt as Barack Obama, could very well use its power against the American people for political gain. We should ask ourselves, should be limit the power of our government to control and spy on us, and take the risk that we will be subject to harm in a limited fashion. No one doubts that giving the government absolute power to snoop on everyone within and without our national boundaries will give us greater measure of protection, but it also cedes immense power over us that we might not want the government to have. Have you even considered this, legal eagle, or are you like most people, shortsighted and dismissive?

          • legal eagle

            Don’t you get tired of being paranoid? Do you not put on sunscreen till after you’re sunburned? Do you not maintain your car till after is broken down? You’re hate for Obama is so overwhelming that you have stopped thinking rationally….Have you considered seeing a therapist? Is your life so miserable that you cant stop hating?

          • George Williams

            I never tire of trying to make government honest. Aren’t you tired of carrying Obama’s water?

          • legal eagle

            You’re going to make government honest? Take care of yourself and your family before you tackle fantasyland…

          • George Williams

            Yes, I have this fantasy the our Congress, the Executive Branch and the Judicial Branch will read the Constitution and recognize the limitations that the Founding Fathers intended for the federal government. I dream that the Democratic Party will be castrated in 2014, when people wake up to the fact that our National Debt is growing ever more sustainable and put that witch, Nancy Pelosi, and her scull and cross bones faced partner in the House, Harry Reid on the back benches of Capitol, where they belong.

          • legal eagle

            Nice knowing you George….You’re too irrational and have too much hate and resentment to have a conversation with…

          • George Williams

            Shocking defection from your party. This man came to his senses. I suspect that it’s too lake for you, however.

            http://www.youtube.com/embed/n_YQ8560E1w

          • legal eagle

            Shocking defection? Who is this guy? Are you related to him?

          • George Williams

            You wouldn’t understand him. He’s a rational man who’s had an epiphany after decades of disappointment in the party of hack politicians known as the Democratic Party.

          • legal eagle

            I asked you who he was? Can’t you ever answer a question without the b.s.?

        • legal eagle

          You worried…but not a peep out of you? Can you define what you mean by transparency? Would you like to know what the Obamas had for dinner? What he discussed with Jack Lew? A transcript of his phone call with John Kerry?
          You’re talking in clichés…

          • Wheels55

            I felt safe under Bush. I don’t think we are as safe under Obama.

            Besides, Obama was the one that declared that terrorism was defeated, yet he has stepped up the use of NSA against our privacy. Obama speaks with forked-tongue.

          • legal eagle

            So under Bush 9/11 occurred but you felt safe? Am I missing something?

          • Wheels55

            Yes. It took a couple of weeks, but after 9/11 I felt President Bush and his staff were doing everything possible and they told America what they were doing. Being upfront and confronting issues makes one feel better. Obama has yet to be upfront about Benghazi, the IRS mess, the AP mess, the Rosen mess, the Fast & Furious mess..he continues to vote present like he did in the Senate. If you feel safe with his non-transparent and lazy effort, you must be on medication.

    • legal eagle

      A poll released on Monday by the Pew Research Center and The Washington Post found a partisan shift in the way Americans view the National Security Agency’s domestic surveillance programs. In the survey, slightly more Democrats than Republicans said they found it acceptable for the N.S.A. to track Americans’ phone records and e-mails if the goal is to prevent terrorism. By comparison, when Pew Research asked a similar question in 2006, Republicans were about twice as likely as Democrats to support the N.S.A.’s activities.

      The poll is a reminder that many Americans do not hold especially firm views on some issues and instead may adapt them depending on which party controls the executive branch. When it comes to domestic surveillance, a considerable number of Democrats seem willing to support actions under President Obama that they deemed unacceptable under George W. Bush, while some Republicans have shifted in the opposite direction.

      • Wheels55

        I’m not a Republican. If something works, I will support it no matter what party is in charge. Now, if we can just get Obama to actually work, we may see if he can do something good.

        • legal eagle

          Obama accomplished more in four years than Bush did in eight…Unless you count starting wars as an accomplishment.

          • Jeff Webb

            No argument there–Obama indeed at this point has accomplished causing more damage to this country than President Bush ever did.

          • plsilverman

            care to explain? Bush and Cheney slept thru the 9-11 warning and gave us two unfunded wars, one manufactured for the VP’s ex-employer; unfunded pharma; unfunded tax relief for zillionaires; losing 4 million jobs in a 6 month period and 7-800,000 per. mo.

          • George Williams

            Name something that he’s done, not something Congress has done. Obama has done nothing. He’s an empty suit. He didn’t take part in Obamacare, or anything else Pelosi and Reid bullied through their cadre of clowns.

          • plsilverman

            “empty suit”! “empty chair”! he’s done nothing! clueless! Marxist! yeah, he must be doing nothing, continuing all those Bush II programs.
            by the way, ask all those auto industry workers who were hired as WALK-IN applicants recently. first time since..the ’70s?
            also, ask all those Cancer victims who cannot be denied coverage (they insist on PAYING FOR) because they were “too expensive” for the insurers.

          • plsilverman

            wrong…unless you believehe should have physically led the Seals to get Bin Laden..or that he stayed up nite aafter nite to write AFCA. he didn’t take part in AFCA? what does any President “take part” in? you want that? THAT is precisely what you extreme Right guys rail about…Obama the dictator. if he was more “involved” you’d say it was a takeover. all f a sudden the auto “takeover”, the healthcare “takeover” is ALL CONGRESS. make up your mind. By the way, “Obamacare” (the Fox news way of saying AFCA) solicited EIGHT Romneycae experts and referenced the GOP plan from 1993. your bias against Obama never ceases. well, you found a home here..what has degenerated into an Obama Hate Site.

          • George Williams

            Shear idiocy as a comment. Obama gets intimately involved with the day to day running of government, at all levels, when he is of a mind to, but in the case of concern for the safety of his subordinates, he couldn’t give a damn . Take the “drone hit list” as an example. …….
            http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

            Maybe he get’s it in with his dart game, pasting victims names on the board and closing his eyes.

          • plsilverman

            his “drone list”? you mean identifying actual enemies and getting them instead of burning up ground troops? there has been ONE SINGLE (tragic, yes) killing of a civilian in the middle east. the drone program goes back to Bush II and 2003. aw, you knew that. and so does the Patriot Act. you knew that, too.

          • George Williams

            Well, if you haven’t heard, I’ll tell you. It’s a well known fact that Obama has a list from which he personally approves sentences of death on terrorists, using drones. The discussion was about personal involvement in the day to day running of government down to the lowest level, and that is a good example. Have you forgotten already?

          • plsilverman

            never mind the harassment and implying that I’m an old guy with memory loss. not a cool writing technique, is it? re. the drone program – if Obama signs off on getting a terrorist then that is the program that Bush II set in motion.

          • George Williams

            Your writing does stink, close to being incomprehensible, as a matter of fact. Responders have to resort to cryptography to understand you. If you have no talent for writing, try those puzzles that don’t require reading comprehension or writing skills. Frankly, I’m tired of listening to an Obama sycophant and apologist who apparently reads and understands only what the DNC, NYT, HufPo and the WaPo want him to. All of my Jewish friends write and speak well. You shame them.

          • plsilverman

            my writing stinks! nah, that’s not negative…..well, what can I say, I’ve been published all over the world…have about 200 “by” lines in magazines, newspapers; have my name as a source in several books. Was a Producer-Host on radio between 1983 and 1995, back East. (AND I’m handsome).

          • George Williams

            We were discussing your facility in the English language. Did you have a stroke?

          • plsilverman

            why the low class references to someone’s imagined infirmities?.from a high class poster like yourself? why not stick to the issues provided on this vaunted site?

          • George Williams

            I have absolutely no respect for a man who would cede his independence of thought to another, as did the Democrats who voted for Obama. I have no respect for you or any other hard core Democrat. You are disgraces to the memories of our Founding Fathers.

          • plsilverman

            now I’m a “disgrace”…you don’t like my taxes? you must have a lot of political adversaries, with your superficial reporting and your gutter emanations.>>> yes, Obama was voted President twice in a country still divided over segregation and you say all those voters don’t think before they vote. by the way, they probably did ALOT of thinking standing on line 8 hours in defiance of the Tea party Voter suppression program.
            Would you have voted for Angle or West, if given the choice? Palin? Bachman?

          • plsilverman

            did you cut and paste this? “Did you have a stroke”? is a low class question…and from such an obviously classy dude. as I’ve written there are publishers all over the world who might disagree with you about my “facility” in that area. hehehe…..wanna discuss some issues?

          • George Williams

            I suspect that they are very charitable, indeed. I didn’t knows that there was a special Olympics for writers.

          • plsilverman

            “special Olympics”? aw, that’s cute. I’m gonna alert the webmaster about the extent you violate the House Rules here (aka netiquette). I guarantee, if I we accidentally encountered each other at McDonald’s, you’d never say things like that to my face, I absolutely guarantee it. Wanna discuss some issues, son?

          • George Williams

            Please do. At this point, I couldn’t care less as to whether I am banned as the result of your whining, Wouldn’t it be more humane of my part, and less painful on yours, to just go to our ideological corners and not converse?

          • plsilverman

            “humane”? I ain’t no dog, pal…and I feel zero pain reading your personal attack replies…just amazement that on this site there is so much personally directed nonsense….shows no respect to Mr. Goldberg.
            I don’t mind discussing issues but if you want to continue the harassment, there’s no point.

          • George Williams

            I suggest that you go to the HufPo, where you can find your Greek Chorus in the commentaries on screeds about Republicans.

          • plsilverman

            what does that have to do with the last conversation? I could say you can go the Foxnews, the American Rifleman, The Blaze…what does it mean?
            I read The Nation AND National Review, I rarely go to the Huffington Post. I read the Post and the Orange County Register. I like Media Matters.
            Just interested – you read the Huff. Post & presumably Media Matters…do you find fault with their facts and figures?

          • George Williams

            I haven’s seen any facts in any of the publications you referenced, but I’ll surely inform you when I do. Media Matters is just a propaganda tool for the thugs of the Democratic Party.

          • plsilverman

            no facts? that’s a good one…Is MM always wrong about content on Foxnews?
            “tool for the thugs”?

          • George Williams

            Any organization which was born of the idea that the sole Obama critic, Fox, needs to be destroyed is essentially anti-democratic, anti-first amendment and should be viewed as suspect by any thinking individual as a dangerous enity. NBC, CBS, CNN and ABC are all major networks and command public attention and toe the Obama line, yet Fox is so horrible that it requires the attention of George Soros and his millions, and must be destroyed at any cost? Any man who doesn’t see something wrong here is so in the tank for Barack Obama as to be his sycophant.

          • plsilverman

            those hypocrites, voting for Obama twice.>>>Soros wants Fox off the air? What can he possibly do to Murdoch and his sponsors, other than complain? Foxnews became a political organization on 01-20-09. They are the true media arm of the RNC, in a very big way. The RNC listens to the Kochs and whoever, then ALEC and Newcorp. follow thru…the talking point machine…with mantras of the week is in motion. Plus useful edited videos by bizarros like Breitbart and O’Keefe. Roger Ailes was the ex-publicity director for the RNC. And his staff have a huge number of ex-Bush II employees, obviously there to say stuff like the Gulf spill was “Obama’s Katrina”. They are the media arm of the RNC much more than MSNBC is for the left.
            But all’s fair in love and ratings wars…Fox has been using O’Reilly to “destroy” all the Murdoch publishing and on-air adversaries, like the NY TImes, Media Matters, Politico, NPR, Huffington Post and yes, MSNBC – strange that they easily win the prime time ratings but never stop complaining about MSNBC.
            Gotta give Ailes a lot of credit since he has dumped Beck and Palin.
            [note: If Soros is trying to undermine Fox, what do the Kochs do to "Liberal" outlets?].

          • George Williams

            Where’s your proof concerning the Koch brothers? The fact is that you don’t need proof, only MM to tell you that it’s so. I’ve listened to Olbermann, O’Donnell, Schultz, Madcow and Matthews. The comparison of those clowns with Fox News commentators is laughable. The People are watching the former and dropping them as they realize that they’ve come to realize that they have Obama’s hand up their rectums. You hate O’Keefe because he has exposed ACORN and numerous other criminal elements of the progressive Left, Obama supporters. You speak of Koch, as though you actually have some evidence that they have done something wrong, when in fact, you are merely mouthing the DNC line, spewing libel and slander. Name one thing that the Koch brothers is guilty of? You can’t, because you are one of millions of Obamazombies, programmed to spit your venom on cue.

          • plsilverman

            There is no way that the O’Keefe video destroyed anything. Have you watched the whole tape? The parts with the Acorn Interviewer doing nothing wrong were edited out. The parts we saw were when the the lady behind the desk was simply repeating what those two obviously costumned up idiots were saying. At the end of the interview, she DID NOT “accept” their story and did the professional thing…reported their behavior. O’Keefe now has legal troubles. Breitbart’s video was also edited to make her look like a racist..O’Reilly took the bait and embarrassed himself and the station and had to go on Leno to explain. Acorn was defunded by the Obama adm. – that video had absolutely nothing to do with that.
            If I spit out DNC matter you have the perfect counterbalance, or tip the scale on your extremist views from the RNC.
            Koch Brothers? “something wrong”? They run the Tea Party as the new John Birch Society – did you know that their Dad – who made his fortune messing around with Stalin, was a founding member? No, it’s not illegal to dump a lot of their 53.5 billion into higher education, to change curriculums or to initially offer Romney 600 million dollars for his campaign. You can go to Koch Wiki and the KOCH BROTHERS EXPOSED D.V.D. for more detail.

          • George Williams

            ” Breitbart’s video was also edited to make her look like a racist.”

            Show me proof’

            “Acorn was defunded by the Obama adm.”

            ACORN was defunded by Congress, as by law only Congress may do so. This from your favorite, ,HufPo…

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/20/supreme-court-acorn-funding-ban_n_880415.html

          • plsilverman

            I do not have a copy of the full length video intended to make Sherrod look racist. Sherrod’s FULL comments were about the need NOT to be (unconsciously guided) by past discrimination and to make things equal for all races. That’s about it. But it came out like Yes, these thoughts can result in discrimination and that’s good for society because it brings races up to date. Anyway, amazingly, Coulter and Ingraham said that she said absolutely nothing wrong. O’Reilly came on Leno to explain all the confusion and apologize to Sherrod.
            Now, for Acorn, Mr. Cross-Examiner, during the Obama adm. Acorn was defunded. Before the House went GOP. The video was proven to be a hoax, as I explained. There was no connection to that particular video – it showed the interviewer doing nothing wrong.
            Acorn was a troubled organization, yes but had good intentions of helping people to complete forms, to transport them for various kinds of assistance, etc. My fave – Huff.? I did say I rarely refer to them. :) Should I now say that your fave is the Washington Times?

          • plsilverman

            MM “needs to be destroyed”? along..with Fox, commercially and politically?

          • George Williams

            Check this out, silverman. Not every black man is Obama’s stooge…

            http://www.youtube.com/embed/n_YQ8560E1w

          • plsilverman

            sounds mildly racist. will be reported.

          • George Williams

            Haven’t heard from your attorney yet.

          • plsilverman

            read THE FOX EFFECT and watch the DVD named OUTFOXED. Read THE NEW HATE. Read THE 24-7 OBAMA HATE MACHINE.

          • George Williams

            Obama Hate Machine? Why worry about the “Hate Machine” when you’ve got MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC and CNN as the Obama “Love Machine”. Four years of non-critical reporting from the major news networks and you feel threatened by the only one that’s critical. Now that’s hate! I haven’t heard a bit of hate, only criticisms of Obama’s propensity to spend as if we didn’t have a 17 trillion dollar National Debt, spending lavishly on many trips abroad that have there mission as more vacation than work. One wouldn’t believe that we were in two wars and in a near depression, with more people on welfare than ever in our history, by the ostentatious life style of the president, whose asked for sacrifice, only to give none on his own part. Even FDR recognized the appearances of living the wealthy life style that he was privately accustomed to, during the Great Depression. And the facts that his DOJ has only coughed up thousands of redacted e-mails on Fast and Furious, and refused to cooperate on Benghazigate remain undisturbing to your friends in the alphabet soup of networks, ABC,CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC? In an earlier era, these issues would be wheat for the grist mill, yet Obama gets a pass? If Media Matters were a fair organization, it would be investigation these others, not Fox. And you obey the dog whistle of the president in his effort to discredit Fox. LOL! You are pathetic, sliverman, as are all of you Obamazombies and the lapdog press.

            The most truly unhealthy nature of Obama and half of the People is the almost cultist adoration of the most narcissistic president in the history of the nation, the willingness to ignore his character flaws, his blatant lies in the very face of the obvious. He will fall, as other frauds have fallen, and history will ultimately not look favorably upon is deeds.

          • plsilverman

            ok…TV is pro Obama..radio is anti-Obama. I don’t dig being called “pathetic”, pal – you would never say that to my face if we accidentally encountered each other in the Frozen Foods aisle.
            I don’t agree with anything you’ve written above. By the way, Mainstream Media is now combined with the Internet and so, the imbalance is not as marked as you say.
            once again, read THE FOX EFFECT and read those other books and watch those DVDs.
            and I ask again..why is Fox so uptight about MSNBC if they are number 1 and MSNBC is like number 3 during the “hot” hours? maybe it’s because they know that MSNBC has an excellent fact-check staff. I do not call O’Reilly a liar but if he can be so wrong so much of the time and is the most respected and credentialed host there, then junk like FOX & FRIENDS must be a real Maalox situation for the suits.

          • George Williams

            Why don’t they correct other news agencies? Yes, Obama is a thug, nothing but a cheap political hack opportunist punk narcissist who craves adoration. And when he’s criticized, his surrogates the MM go after them. I don’t pity you silverman, I despise you.

          • plsilverman

            wow..one of the best RNC generated mantras! “narcissist” (yeah, the guy who likes to say he’s got big ears).

            yeah, you’re right. there are no other politicains who are concerned with their appearance and enjoy applause.

            “thug” is subjective. And by your standards, Reagan and Bush II are arch criminals.

            “I despise you”….? :) Do you like my Federal taxes? have a lemonade, kid.

          • plsilverman

            your “Jewish friends” remark relayed to my writing ability and religion will have to right to the Webmaster for hopeful deletion.

          • George Williams

            Shouldn’t that be “Your “Jewish friends” remark relating to my writing ability and religion was referred to the webmaster for hopeful deletion”? I rest my case. Your writing hasn’t improved.

          • George Williams

            What are the grounds for your complaint? Be specific and have someone literate edit your response for comprehension.

          • George Williams

            Hmm, I’m afraid they’re not listening to you.

          • plsilverman

            in ’08 he identified almost the exact spot we’d find Bin Laden – years after Bush II gave up; he initiated or supported DA-DT, AFCA, credit card and student loan reform; expanded and implemented the rescue of the auto industry. U kidding? can I go on?? all during the most Obstructionist and partisan House in history.

          • George Williams

            I’ve got news for you, our intelligence agencies never gave up on Bin Laden. It was just a matter of time and by chance that Obama would be president at the time. As to the student loan program, that’s sheer idiocy. The government has no business being in the student loan business. It is not up to the American taxpayer to take the risk of student loans on their backs. We are already over 17 trillion dollars in debt, and Obama would add to it. Either way, be it the banks giving loans, with government (read taxpayers) backing, or by direct loans from the people’s Treasury, the government is making uncollateralized loans to people who may never get a job in their intended profession, and many never repay, leaving the taxpayer with a default bill bigger than the loan crisis disaster that you blame on Bush. http://american.com/archive/2013/may/the-looming-student-loan-crisis
            What you perceive as good ideas, I see as stupid ones that put the taxpaying public on the hook for billions, if not trillions of dollars. Want Obama to take all the credit that he deserves, then add the idiotic green energy loans that have been defaulted on, and the looming ACA disaster when the public finally realize it’s cost.
            Now, tell us about all the other good things he’s done. We want to hear at least one.

          • plsilverman

            I’m tired of your harassment here. Why do you continue that? >>>now what “TENDENCY”? he was obstructed by the GOP from day one – day one – is it a fact that approx. on 01-20-09 the big suits got together and yes they planned on making Obama one-termer and a “failure”. the “failure” thing comes from Limbaugh.
            ok, name a tendency of Obama’s by 01-20-09.
            the DEBT? Bush II left at least 11 trillion in debt (yes the Dems helped that go up) and guess what the INTEREST is on that? Obama has HAD TO SPEND on unfunded wars and unfunded pharma and the unfunded tax relief program for multi-millionaires. Pelosi came in in ’06 LONG AFTER all that mess started. Not that she could not have done more to retain jobs but Bush II was losing 7-800,000per. moth and in a 6 month period lost 4 million.
            by the way, I have never brought up Green Energy here and I only “blame” Bush for the 2-3 things he alone did wrong. that’s it! If he would have dumped Cheney in ’04 his legacy would not have to be rewritten 24/7 on Foxnews.
            when did I “blame Bush” for the [housing] loan crisis? I blame the over-deregulaton going back to when Reagan surrended the economy to Don Regan.
            so before you harass and use ad hominem think about what you post and be fair and balanced.

          • George Williams

            You can’t seem to comprehend that a president is not entitled to have all his legislation passed, only that which the other branch of government concurs with. You seem to be naively amazed that there are people who would have the audacity to disagree with Obama, that Congress should be his rubber stamp. I almost believe that you and your friends think that we should have a king instead of a president.
            And just like all the Democrats before them, the objective of their party has been to replace their opposition party president in power after one term. The objective of the Democrats was to replace Bush after one term. Apparently McConnell’s frankness was too much for the sycophant crowd to accept. It’s such silly arrogance to believe that the Republicans were actually going to cede Obama a second term. You’re so stupidly sycophantic that you actually believe that he was actually entitled to it. I’m amazed that there are so many people like you that believe this, but it’s true, as I’ve heard is said so often.

          • plsilverman

            when did I say or imply he must have 100% of his legislation. he’s actually gotten very little. this is the most Obstructionist House in history. planned very early in his adm. long before all that $$$ was spent on stimulus. and his stimulus was not out of bounds…McCain’s would have been huge, too.

          • George Williams

            I suggest that it’s only because the ventriloquist with his hand up your ass made you say that it is the most obstruction House in history. Where’s your proof? Cite the study of all House’s behavior as proof, the one that singles out the current Republican House. Like you, I need proof. You people like to whine about that, by you have none, only the Greek Chorus singing the progressive Democratic song. Your Senate didn’t write a budget, as required by law during four long years. How do you pass legislation, particularly legislation that spends money without a budget up for debate? You can’t hold the high ground on obstructionism unless you actually produce legislation and subject it to debate, as has been the tradition of this country since its founding. Harry Reid made excuse after excuse, but in the end it was his responsibility to produce a budget. He’s your party’s leader, but he’s the sorriest excuse for a legislator in the history of the senate. Want proof? That’s the proof.

          • plsilverman

            “hand up..”? why the fixation? >>>>a big problem with the budget is the Senate GOP and the Senate Dems who know that the House is too inclined to reject anything Obama. If you don’t think a record # of filibusters is part of an obstruction program, what can I say? I said over and over, Obama offered a 3.8 to 4.4 trillion dollar deficit reduction package to Boehner, incl, cuts to the big 3..to no avail. The GOP also has returned a lot of stimulus $$$. and the declining on infrastructure contracts is obvious across the country. Obama extended the Bush II tax relief for the rich program and got nothing back – unless you consider dragging out debt ceiling talks so the S & P rating can go down, a nice return on *that* compromise.
            I’ll take Reid over Boehner, as a politician. probably so would a lot of Republicans.
            by the way the Senate passed a good number of House jobs bills while the reverse is not exactly true.
            >> approx. 450 filibusters and 150 clotures from the GOP. nah, no obstruction.

          • George Williams

            Jobs bills? Really? Don’t you mean bills that continue to support the Democrat’s public unions as payoffs? The kinds of jobs Democratic hacks support always have more affect on campaign contributions than the economy as a whole. No, historically such stimulus money has been like air into a balloon with a hole in it. The balloon gets fatter for a while but nothing permanent comes of it. Like the California super trains, they receive federal fund, requiring state spending. When the federal money runs out the state will be holding the bag. The train will become another AMTRAK, with the taxpayer paying half of each fare in hopes that someday it will become profitable. These are like the Fed’s printing of money, money into a leaking economy,

          • plsilverman

            yes, jobs-infrastructure bills. to no avail. all politics. all because of the GOP mission statement of 2009. if the blue collar workforce repairs bridges, unemployment goes down – not in the plan.
            State holds the bag? maybe…but in 2009 JOBS were needed. thousands and thousands of jobs were not created or restored because of the returning of stimulus $$$$. had nothing to do with Dem. policy. the ONE SINGLE time the GOP wanted construction workers to get off unemployment was with the Pipeline which was destined to prove maybe 6-7 thousand USA jobs – the Canadian workforce would have been served and China would have been the longtime beneficiary. It was all politics, again. they tried to force a decision to make Obama look anti-business. (while he was implementing the TARP and restoring the auto industry).
            the biggest leaks in the economy were the Bush II tax relief program which added about 3 trillion $$$ to the debt…also the offshore accounts of corporate raiders..

          • George Williams

            Bridges state infrastructure should be the responsibility of the states where they were constructed, just as the secondary roads and roads that service local communities. The people of each state are the beneficiaries of such roads and bridges. States are quite capable of evaluating and taking responsible for the safety of their bridges. Eliminate federal road taxes paid as part of gasoline purchase and let the states increase taxes and not have to depend upon the kindness of the feds to give it back to them. The idea that the feds collect gasoline taxes for roads and return only a portion back is wasteful, as the feds pay their bureaucrats a part of the largess manage the process. Saving the auto industry is not a federal function. The auto industry could have gone through normal bankruptcy, as the laws allow, and the taxpayers would not now have to take a 10 billion dollar drubbing as the result of selling low their shares of GM. The faux bankruptcy of GM was a payoff to the unions who won, over the preferred shareholders who lost money on the deal. This was against the law and is now in federal court. Hopefully it will be rectified and those people will be fairly compensated as the law requires. Again, you know nothing but what Obama and the Democrats tell you.
            Those that benefitted from the tax breaks benefitted by the return of funds that they earned. It’s just like the Left to view people’s money as the government’s first and whatever is left over is given at the beneficence of the federal government.
            I hate the idea of abortion but if it has to be available to the public then I would hope the law of natural selection would permit it to be practiced most frequently on the progeny of Democrats. Better they do away with their species and save the nation the fate that they would have in store for us.

          • George Williams

            “Obama extended the Bush II tax relief for the rich program and got nothing back ”

            Why not? If the rich came by their earnings honestly, then who are you to deny them only what they earned in the first place. The rich create more jobs than the poor and the rich pay more in proportion to the poor (that’s a joke because the poor rarely pay anything to support the share of the government that they had a hand in creating). When there are tax breaks the rich should get proportionately more back from them. The Left treats the rich as though they were evil, rather than people who pay the vast majority of running the government.

            The biggest mistake that People did was establish the progressive tax system. Such a system gave license to the expansion of government infrastructure and services way beyond what they could afford to contribute to. This gave the majority to resort to what amounts to legalized theft to confiscate as much wealth as they think they can get away with without destroying the golden goose. However, there is one thing that the progressives failed to consider. That is the possibility that the wealthy will liquidate their assets and move out of the country. We’ve already seen that happen in France. I expect that will happen in this country today, leaving the looters to their misery.
            The government credit rating would go down anyway. The National Debt grows by the hour, as does the likelihood that the our nation reaches the point when servicing the National Debt becomes unsustainable. Interest rates are now low, but adding just one point to the rate would be a disaster, causing the National Debt to spiral out of control. With every trillion added to the National Debt, confidence in our ability to repay that debt becomes more doubtful. And not taking action to reduce our budget and reduce the ND will tend to cause the credit evaluators to lower our rating. No, it wasn’t the Republicans fault. They are trying to make a stand on reducing the budget. It is the intransigence of the part of the Democrats who have shown no interest in averting future fiscal disaster who caused our rating to fall, and they will be the cause of it again, if they add another stimulus to the ND, and refuse to cut the budget. You know nothing, silverman, but what the puppet master in Washington is telling you. I listen to you and it’s as though I’m listening to your messiah in Washington. The more I listen to you, the more I believe that you don’t have an original thought in your head..

          • plsilverman

            nope. The big point of the stimulus, now take a deep breath, was tpo INVEST in the workforce by giving a big incentive to those corporations, those large employers. They did next to nothing. It’s been reported that TWO BILLION dollars was quickly buried./..either in the mattress or in Swiss banks.
            who is saying the very wealthy did not earn their $$$$? not me. I say…go for it…Capitalism is the best system..just needs some reasonable regulation and corps. should ALL pay tax and the top 7% should go back to the 39.6% formula.
            the poor “rarely pay anything”? really? ya mean they pay no state, county, or municipal, retail, property tax, or car insurance premiums?

          • George Williams

            “The big point of the stimulus, now take a deep breath, was tpo INVEST in the workforce by giving a big incentive to those corporations, those large employers. They did next to nothing. It’s been reported that TWO BILLION dollars was quickly buried./..either in the mattress or in Swiss banks.”
            If Obama had any interest in growing the economy, he wouldn’t burden corporations with Obamacare, disastrous redistribution of corporate profits that could be used to invest in their own infrastructure and expand their businesses. And it is not capitalism for government to intervene in the economy by picking which corporations to reward with its beneficence. Government interference in market forces is a socialist ploy. Keynesian economics is a proven failure, yet Obama, like the insane, hopes to repeat the same failed actions of the past while expecting different results. Every dollar removed from the economy by a government is one diminished by the overhead of managing that dollar and injected back into industries the government chooses. It is evident that Obama picks his investments based upon bad premises, what he perceives is good for the environment and unrelated to their potential for making a profit. Obama’s green energy jobs program has been a complete failure. Not only has it resulted in the establishment of new jobs, but has resulted in bankruptcy after bankruptcy.. It’s been mismanaged from the beginning, yet Obama keeps coming back for more. If you think that Congress will ever have faith in his administration’s judgment, you are sadly mistaken, like mot of his supporters.

          • plsilverman

            I disagree with everything you just wrote: Obamacare is a Nat’l version of a GOP State program, which will yield 4,000,000 new jobs and more importantly will END the heinous practice of denying coverage those with a “precondition”. How is it not pro-Capitalist? Obama must surely hate Capitalism if he continued and implemented the “auto bailout” – GM and Chrysler expect to sell 14,000,000 vehicles in 2013-14. ask all those auto workers who were able to return to work or begin a career if they think Obama is a commee-pinko. yes, the Mom & Pop dealors and bond holders were hurt…but the restoration of our greatest industry will allow them to “come back”. Maybe Obama dug a little too deep with credit card reform and student loan reform but the banks were going wild on the middle class – his interest and actions on theior behalf are still not anti-Capitalist.
            I say, respectfully, you are running out of freeze-dried RNC talking points and it’s time, by mid-2013, to say this man won two elections, he’s not going to be impeached….and yeah, he was actually born here.

          • George Williams

            Companies do not hide money in mattresses, or low interest bearing bonds, unless they have little faith in their government and president. It speaks poorly of the president when the finest business minds of the nation have so little confidence in the government’s ability to foster the economic growth required to give impetus to a profit making environment. Obamacare alone has been more destructive to economic growth and employment than any anything corporations have done. No one has any confidence in your messiah.
            The poor live in apartments. Their tax burden per capita for real estate does not pay for the education of their children, which generally comes from property tax revenues. Most poor receive all their state and federal income taxes back, as they fall below the government established poverty level. Car insurance premiums are not taxes, as much as you silly Democrats seem to believe. The poor have little disposable income, spending most on the basics of life, so sales taxes are minimal. To sum it up, the poor are generally subsidized by the middle class and rich.

          • plsilverman

            I disagree with everything you just wrote.>>>your last statement has some validity but since the ’80s the poor and middle class are not in the poor-middle-rich mode. it’s very poor/moderately poor and the middle has shrunk. did they suddenly get lazy? no. AND since Bush II many middle has become poor due to the outsourcing and obstruction of blue collar thru obstruction of Barack Obama. Car insurance premiums must be paid the way any tax must be paid. Most workers have to drive. Obamacare does not fully begin until 2014 and will produce many millions of jobs. The poor still pay state, county, municipal, retail tax. as I always say, they fight the manufactured wars. >>>re. the rich hiding their stimulus $$$ and/or sending it overseas…you really believe they do that because Obama makes them nervous?
            ***************
            by the way, why are you fishing for my birthdate? :)

          • George Williams

            That’s phishing, not fishing. I know that you’re very, very old but get with the times. Yeah, the poor pay little in the way of taxes, but the Democratic Party spendthrifts promise them all kinds of benefits, which they gladly accept. They’re so grateful that the vote more Democrats into office to assure that their benefits continue and the breadth of their subsidy grows.

            Car insurance is self serving. It benefits no one but the insured, against his own liability. You may as well have said that purchasing a car is paying taxes or that buying a refrigerator or buying a phone are paying taxes.. Everyone needs those things to live, don’t they? I’ve rarely heard anything more preposterous than your assertion from a Democrat, but I have a few years yet to go before I can say that I’ve heard everything. Logic has never been a Democratic long suit.

          • plsilverman

            people will say you’re in l-o-o-v-v-v-e.

          • George Williams

            “AND since Bush II many middle has become poor due to the outsourcing and obstruction of blue collar thru obstruction of Barack Obama.”

            That couldn’t be due to the heavy tax burdens and burdensome regulations imposed by presidencies prior to Bush. Yes, the moment Bush took office, ever company outsourced. Just what did Bush II do to make that happen? Let’s get hear your explanation. Of course it couldn’t be due to international competition, beyond the control of Bush? It’ couldn’t be due to the long term consequences of Democratic administrations or legislation coming out of Democratic congresses’, could it. Corporations outsource when nations make profitmaking difficult. Of course Democrats only take the perspective of the unions and workers, because their real agenda is establishing socialism or even communism in this country. In the world of Democrats, investors and entrepreneurs only exist to employ people, profits be damned. They are shortsighted, some might say ignorant at best and stupid at worst.

          • George Williams

            “3.8 to 4.4 trillion dollar deficit reduction package”

            How generous! The Republicans noted that this would be the savings resulting from leaving Iraq and Afghanistan, something we were in the process of doing anyway. What a sacrifice, offering a reduction package based upon something we was gong to happen in first place. You fall for just about every pathetic con job Obama puts before you.

          • plsilverman

            McConnell’s frankness? great. make her a Senator.

          • George Williams

            Mitch McConnell is a male, and already a Senator.

          • plsilverman

            shucks….I had referred to O’Donnell earlier…ok.

          • plsilverman

            I’m a sycophant,…that word is getting good use here…why the harassment? I defend the defendable. I have defended many Republicans. sorry to disappoint you.

          • George Williams

            I’ve got some more outrageous news for you, silveman, I’ve just found out that the Republicans wanted to make Obama a no term president during his run for president. They must be racists.

          • plsilverman

            of course, intelligence did not give up as did W. and the CIA. and no matter what that wonderful patriot Cheney says, enhanced interrogation had nothing to do with the capture. look back at an ’08 statement y Obama – he practically identified the spot Bin Laden was found.

          • plsilverman

            ACA = AFCA? you want to go back to denying cancer patients coverage because they cost too much? Budget Office says AFCA will do no harm to the economy and Labor knows that 4,000,000 new jobs will be created. Healthcare will continue to be in the top 3 of job providers in this country.

          • George Williams

            It always seems that the Left measures success its ability to expand a bureaucracy. One of the major differences between conservatives and progressives is that the latter never takes in account whether job creation should mean productive jobs. I can hire a million people to dig trenches to lay city water pipe, or I could hire ten backhoes to do the same thing and the progressives would say that their jobs program is better. Why should I be impressed that health care will continue to be one of the top three job providers in this country? I wish that we could reduce the size of the health care bureaucracy that contributes little to the direct care of the individual. It’s just like the progressives to only be concerned with health care as a jobs program. I’ve got news for you, employers do not hire people as a form of charity, but as the result of a need to make a profit with as few employees as necessary. The taxpayer who will be subsidizing this program probably would object to your perspective.
            ACA was intended to see that an additional of 30 million new people would get health care? I can hardly see how adding one full time person to service every 8 people that get health care has efficiency in mind.
            Give me proof that any cancer patients have been denied the care you speak of. Most of the dire circumstances you people refer to come from your imaginations. Just as Obama lied about his mother’s argument with her insurance company, progressives have constantly resorted to exaggeration in the Alinsky ends-justifies-the-means methods.

          • plsilverman

            sorry, but…no. I have never said AFCA is really a jobs program – I’ve said here about 30 times that number one, it ends the ability of the insurers to deny coverage on preconditions. Healthcare was a big jobs market going back before Bush II.>>”the taxpayer” subsidizing? the plan is for as many Americans as possible TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN COVERAGE so you and I don’t have to pay it, as we have been doing – paying for people who actually refuse to buy a plan…or who have a job that does not include a healthcare plan. simple.
            Alinksy!! yay! >>>>>>Never heard his name until Ailes’ fair haired boy ( for a short while) Beck kept repeating and repeating it. I went to College during the Vietnam/Watergate era and I doubt Alinsky ever came up in my classes and I did have two very radical professors.

          • George Williams

            Your breeding shows. All radicals know Alinsky. Hillary Clinton was a disciple of Alinsky and knew him personally. Obama is too young to know Alinksy personally, but has adopted his principles, along with Harry and Nancy, et al. Your radical professors knew about him, though. I bet that it never once crossed your mind to find out what Beck was alluding to, mainly because your minders in your party never suggested it. http://frontpagemag.com/2013/jack-kerwick/6-saul-alinsky-rules-that-explain-obamas-words-and-deeds/
            Why would you mention 4 million jobs if you didn’t consider it a positive characteristic of the ACA, otherwise known as Obominalbecare or Obamacare?

          • plsilverman

            Is that a negative to you? 4 million new jobs? It’s a positive part of an overall positive and long overdue reform bill. “Obamacare” is a sarcastic Foxnews way of referring to AFCA. >>>I never heard of Alinksy until Mr. Beck mentioned him 785 times per show. his principles? tell us, which ones are reflected by Obama and co.? I’m all ears…eager to learn.
            Ok…if that’s true, then who mentored (directly or indirectly) Bush II? Birch?? and…..who cares? I don’t care what’s in a man’s heart, I care about his ACTIONS. except for AFCA (which is really a Nat’l version of a GOP State program), Obama has been a very strong moderate Republican. Although McCain would have stayed in Iraq.

          • George Williams

            You seem to revel in your ignorance of Alinsky, though you pride yourself as being educated in the world.. Educate yourself. http://frontpagemag.com/2013/jack-kerwick/6-saul-alinsky-rules-that-explain-obamas-words-and-deeds/

          • plsilverman

            tell ya what, I’ll go to Alinksy Wiki if you go to John Birch Wiki…hehehe.

          • plsilverman

            …all due respect…but *that* is your reply to all that good stuff I wrote, above? :)
            educate us, teach us, we are eager to learn.. where was Phil outrageously wrong?

          • George Williams

            Just what did you study while hiding from the Vietnam War?

          • plsilverman

            your disgusting comment has to be reported…it was 1969 and they used the “lottery” system. is that a good answer for you? you have resorted to character assassination and I will seek counsel.

          • George Williams

            Did you get a deferment? Just what was your birth date? Don’t lie to me now.

          • plsilverman

            “Don’t lie to me now”? >>>did you read what I wrote? that in 1969 there was a Lottery? Why do you need more than that unless you are trying to assassinate my character?

          • George Williams

            You didn’t answer the question. Did you win or lose the lottery? Did you resort to a college deferment? I say that you did. Some one told me that you did. I think that it was Harry Reid’s source on Romney’s taxes.

          • Guest

            “some one told me that you did”: This is blatant harassment and obvious character assassination – now I reluctantly have to discuss it with a legal authority.

          • George Williams

            Be sure to consult with your mommy too.

          • plsilverman

            I’m very surprised such a classy gentleman pundit would write like a lowclass punk slob. My Mother passed away in 1994, after battling two forms of Cancer. I do “consult” with her in the sense that I recall she was very charitable and understanding and patient with all people, even those who chose to disrespect her. She probably would say, if she was here today, to generally ignore “anti-social” individuals.
            I have not been successful in getting you “blocked” for me on this site – I assume the webmaster is on leave. So please cease and desist the entries personally (not based upon what is presented in the editorials/commentary)meant for me.

          • plsilverman

            Yeah, that source was wrong about Romney’s overseas accounts, including all that money made on raiding struggling, not failing companies. Interesting connection with “taxes” and “deferments”.

          • George Williams

            Which crimes has he been charged with? What laws were broken? If you believe that he’s broken the law, please feel free to report him, else you’re just bellyaching and jealous.

          • plsilverman

            nope. He never broke any laws…just acted unethically as part of Bain. He was on a team which made it impossible for a company to get its’ assets together, deal with banks…so instead of rescuing that American company with American workers, he sends them to the unemployment line, sends their jobs overseas, pockets one million dollars and rides off into the sunset. yeah, we hate private enterprise..we hate giving small employers tax relief 18 times and restoring the automobile industry and creating 4+ million new healthcare jobs. hehehe.

          • George Williams

            As unethical as Obama, when his surrogate (that means personal representative by the way), Harry Reid, made false claims about Romney’s taxes, or when Obama claimed that his mother had difficulties with her insurance company, when in fact, she had none? Or as unethical as Obama when his surrogate helped make a commercial accusing Romney’s company of causing the death of a man’s wife, as the result of her losing her insurance. It was proven otherwise. As unethical as Obama when he had his opponent’s divorce records unsealed for the purpose of finding dirt? As unethical as Obama? I could easily win a duel in discussions about Obama the slime ball.

          • plsilverman

            looks like you are off on a new tear! gotta say, in a way, it’s refreshing…but still biased. Was Reid as unethical as Romney? well, probably, in that one instance, although that statement about Romney paying zero tax for that length of time was bizarre, for even the far Left….

            are Dems more unethical than Repubs? gee, gotta ponder that. Was Rove unethical about cooking up a story about McCain (as Father of a “black child” while he was married) so as to ensure a Bush II win in South Carolina? the Plame “outing” as punishment for her Husband not delivering on the WMD ingredient supposedly manufactured in an African nation? let’s see..who’s worse, the Dems or the Repubs? Well, since 2001 I’d say the Repubs, with Bush and Cheney sleeping thru the 9-11 warnings, leading to the manufactured war in Iraq…GOP is clearly the most unethical and *lawless* , at least, since 2001: read the Bugliosi book THE PROSECUTIONN OF GEORGE W. BUSH FOR MURDER.

          • George Williams

            I should remind you that there’s a significant difference between being Obama the POTUS and others who no longer hold office. Remember, Obama fraudulently claimed that he was who we were all waiting for, as in having messianic tendencies. No other president has ever been represented has been so far above all others in character and intelligence. After four and half years he’s proven to be a liar, a narcissist, and much less intelligent than advertised. The country is far worse than when he ascended his throne.

          • plsilverman

            “fraudulently claimed…” is 1000% subjective. “liar…narcissist….less intelligent” are all Fox news mantras against this man. calling a President a “narcissist” is funny…someone who wants to be the biggest name on the planet, the leader of the western world, actually the leader of the United Nations, gee, never thought such a person would be concerned about appearances. I don’t get the point of your post other than you once again want to ventilate on Obama. Are we supposed to *learn* something here? :)
            After 4.5 yrs. he has been elected twice and has accomplished a lot for the auto industry and the healthcare industry and he has created a decent # of jobs despite the obvious obstructionism and the radio blitz on his character.
            The country is worse? well, let’s see..we’ll be out of the two wars, auto industry selling and hiring like the ’70s, healthcare insurers can no longer deny coverage to cancer patients for mercenary reasons, unemployment dropping. yeah, maybe we should go back to losing 7-800k jobs per month and having the VP run a war for his ex-employer – where he was CEO and left with 45 to 62 million bucks.
            you know all that. but ventilation is good for the circulatory system.
            anyway….my attempts to “block” you – so I cannot see what you write and you cannot see what I write, don’t seem to work, so please end the insults and attempts to assassinate my character and call me unpatriotic. so please don’t initiate any more posts in my direction.

          • George Williams

            The only way your character will not suffer is if you stop writing the drivel that you do. People have probably suspected your lunacy for years, but now you have had the misfortune of proving it by opening your mouth. Getting elected is not an accomplishment unless one considers being a successful charlatan success.

          • plsilverman

            “charlatan” is highly subjective. “drivel…lunacy” are insults. My radio audience thought (I plan and expect to easily come back very strong on the West Coast, this time around) and my publishers think I have something to say. I guess I’ll defer to them when questions of intelligence, insight, and relatability come up.
            Your posts are clearly attempts to assassinate my character and have been duly noted. I told you to please stop initiating posts in my direction and using insults. it’s really not a joke at this point. I ask you once again to cease and desist. It is not cool to use this medium to conduct continuous personal attack because in your opinion I am wrong on issues. Let this be the last time I ask you to step back and stop violating the house rules here.

          • George Williams

            I truly have no idea who you are, except through your atrocious writing ability. Are you a has been radio show host? I hear that left wing radio has been the ultimate failure, with Air America having been shut down only a few years ago. Even Alan Colmes is the most abused lw host on the radio, and is only tolerated by Fox to serve as a target of ridicule for conservatives. If you want to sue me, you’ll actually have to use your real name, in full, no initials. plsilverman may be used by a hundred people, or may be a total fiction for all I know.

          • plsilverman

            I have years of experience in the media and know the legal end quite well.

          • George Williams

            Then you know that few public figures have been successful at suing the public, especially when those public figures use pseudonyms.

          • plsilverman

            then, like, you don’t exist? :)

          • George Williams

            For my purposes, you don’t exist, just zeros and ones coordinated to write a message.

          • plsilverman

            ahhhhh, life is *good*.

          • George Williams

            Your character was moribund the day you started to write, as you are condemned by your own poor arguments.

          • plsilverman

            gee, I guess if someone was at “125” or lower then there’s no need for any …like..deferments?

          • George Williams

            Hmm, I guess that you don’t comprehend the system. Shocking for someone who the draft in 1969 was of personal concern. Each day of the year is numbered from 1 (New Years Day) to 365 (Last Day of December. Each numbered ball is thrown into a bowl and pulled one at a time. Your probability of being drafted is much higher if your birthday number is pulled first, declining in probability as the process progresses. If your number is pulled first, you are guaranteed to to go. If your birthday, say March 1st is pulled last, it would be unlikely that you are drafted. In the case of Viet Nam, eligibles were only vulnerable in the year of their birth. Your obvious ignorance tells me what I want to know. You got a deferment.

          • plsilverman

            No. No “birthday numbers” that year. Born “January 19th…ok, let’s roll”. That was it.
            In 1969 it was a “one or the other” numbers Lottery: “125” or higher, you go. “125” or lower, you don’t go. “125” was THE NUMBER. I was not sure because the number read on TV was different from the number printed in the local newspaper. I called the draft Board…they said, no, I was BELOW, not above, the “125”.
            Sorry to disappoint you and your ongoing quest to assassinate my character. My “obvious ignorance” is another negative for my file.

          • George Williams

            The fact that there was a lottery doesn’t mean that you didn’t get a deferment. You Democrats always assume that everyone else is stupid. Since deferments were within the law, you can’t say that I tried to assassinate your character. I can only assume that your defensiveness is the result of your guilt feelings.

          • plsilverman

            how about this: I had a number below “125”. “tell daddy the truth now” sounds a little fetishist. I can tell you this harassment has been duly noted. if I indulged your fetish and gave you my birthdate then you would want proof of my “125”. what is your mission here? are you trying to work up a “case” against me….maybe have your Lawyer contact mine and we’ll see if the info. you desire should be forthcoming.

          • George Williams

            I guess that you’ve forgotten that your position in line for conscription was based upon your birth date.

          • plsilverman

            why are obsessed with me and my birth date? If I say 1969, you can assume I was of age to go into the service.
            you’re in love..that’s ok.

          • George Williams

            I know the lottery system, and the numbers pulled for 1969. If your lying, I’ll know it. If you don’t provide me with a date, I’ll know that it’s because you’re lying, and that you got a deferment.

          • plsilverman

            Why should I care what you know and do not know? Why should I provide you with anything more than a reply to your opinion on issues presented by site commentators? :)
            Should I scan my selective service registration card? How about pictures of me at the beach when I was 130 pounds?

          • George Williams

            I’m sorry, silverman, but I’m straight. I really don’t hold your sexual orientation against you though. It’s not relevant to me.

          • plsilverman

            all orientations are fine with me. but your behavior here makes us ask questions. not that there’s anything wrong with any orientations, part-time or full-time. I’m straight, so your pressing on about very personal things in my life, make me uncomfortable. I’m here to address issues respectfully addressed by Bernie’s writers. Not to prove to you I’m not a low character.

          • plsilverman

            name one MARXIST action of Obama. There are none.>>>good things he’s done: restore auto industry / get health care reform thru (utilizing Romneycare experts and sourcing the GOP alternative of 1993); credit card, student loan reform; important legislation for Veterans; getting most of the main Al Caeda leaders, getting BL two years after the CIA and W. gave up – getting Gaffadi without one drop of American blood spilled; ending DA-DT. creating a decent # of jobs despite the war on the bluecollar workforce you deny – 40 straight months of positive job growth – following Bush losing 4 million in a 6 month period and 7-800,000 per month. he set in motion a program to recover all the healthcare overpayments during W. – that “726” mantra by the GOP – no beneficiaries were affected. had a chance to restore the Fairness Doctrine and declined.
            gotta laugh at the mention of, in 2013, Commeez and Marxists – if anything, Obama is a Globalist, where Commeez have no place to go.

        • George Williams

          Obama is the laziest president ever to occupy the White House. He has short hours, spends most of his time in ceremonies, and has spent more time on vacations than any other president. He’s an arrogant narcissist, who has used the pronoun I more times than any other president. Nothing is a team effort with him. Modesty to him is an alien from another planet, yet he has so much to be modest about.

          • legal eagle

            Obama is lazy, likes to play basketball, eat fried chicken and have watermelon for dessert….Black guy in the White House is making you crazy….Wait till Hillary wins…You’ll be even crazier..:LOL

          • George Williams

            You are an ignoramous. The fact that he’s lazy is well documented. As much as you pathetic Obamabots would like to simplify this as racial bigotry, it is not. And the references to fried chicken and watermelon are yours, not mine. You like to write between the lines because it suits your preconceived notions of Obama and his opposition. Being old has made your mind harden to truths. You’re the one who needs help because you know nothing about the politics of Obama or his past history. Obama’s political demise will happen because of substantive crimes, not as the result of bigotry on the part of his opposition. He’s paved his own road to personal destruction. Keep concentrating on the watermelon and fried chicken thing. It will keep you dismissive until Obama’s regime falls of its own accord. It will come out of the blue; a complete mystery to you. It’s you who are in the bubble, one of ignorance.

          • legal eagle

            “Obama’s political demise….” He was elected POTUS twice…What demise are you referring to? What crimes?
            Have you ever done any comedy writing? If not, you’ve missed your calling…

          • plsilverman

            “Lazy” is purely subjective. How lazy was the Gipper when he delegated away his administration?

          • John Daly

            Just out of curiosity, was Michelle Obama being racist when she said her husband was lazy? How about when our president, himself, admitted to being lazy? Is he a self-hating racist?

            Laziness transcends race, as has been evidenced pretty clearly by yourself, Phil.

            Oh, and if you’re the person who immediately thinks “black person” when you hear the word “lazy”, what exactly does that make you?

          • plsilverman

            you should be ashamed to resort to that.>>>> I’m lazy? no, I’m not. But you are turning into one major harassment artist here. I worked many decades as an Employer Advocate and as a Job Finding Specialist and have developed a keen sense of where racial discrimination is found, in the workplace and otherwise. You are really stretching here…and I say, in an increasingly defensive way. How many times are you going to bring up the “racial” aspect? Have you actually read all the OBVIOUSLY racist posts here..why are they not5 deleted? I find the commentary/editorials to be overly race conscious and very insensitive, as to how the writers express themselves. THAT is not racist, just racially charged. The real “culprit” here is in the blog replies. Yes, and if a “Lib” generalizes about an ethnicity, yes, that post should be deleted or flagged for inappropriateness. So, for the 987th time, no individual was called a racist. Calm & cool? Great. :)

          • legal eagle

            Based upon Fox News there in America towards minorities….The only racism is minority racism….I had lunch an Hispanic colleague of mind the other day….I told him that until Jeb Bush let me know I wasn’t aware that Hispanics are more “fertile”…..LMAO

          • legal eagle

            My wife says I’m crazy….LOL..too bad you have no sense of humor….Amazing…

          • plsilverman

            gonna try again: “How lazy was the Gipper when he delegated away his administration?”

          • plsilverman

            Yeah, this is no hate site…never engages in racially charged posts and comments.

          • plsilverman

            oooh, “lazy”! why not throw in “shiftless”? why not toss in “community organizer”? If you think he spends more time on leisure than Reagan or Bush II you might as well turn in your Jan and Dean album collection. U have got to be kidding. :)
            Bush II decided to take an EXTYENDED vacation at the SAME TIME he was being warned about 9-11. A FACT.
            Guess what? Obama had an excellent voting record for Veterans and some of his earliest and best legislation as President was in support of Veterans. Or do U dislike that he decided to end the Wars? A big reason is because of the criminality of Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld with their unfunded, diabolical (esp. in the case of Iraq) wars with soldiers on 8 consecutive tours and because of Rummy, poor protective gear. ANOTHER FACT.
            So you and Glenn Beck should rethink your animosity towards the President.

          • George Williams

            I’ll bet that you cannot define the John Birch Society without referring to Wikipedia. I’ll bet that you cannot tell me how I fit into your understanding of the JB Society. Tell me how anything I’ve said makes me a soul brother of John Birch.

          • plsilverman

            …let’s see…as a Right Wing extremist………………; I know a lot about ol’ JB…I know one of the founders of his segregationist organization is The Koch’s Dear Ol’ Dad. I even know, now get ready, that they called Eisenhower a Commeee!!! :)

          • George Williams

            The biggest promoters of segregation was the Democratic Party, which seeing that the winds of politics was blowing against them, opportunistically used Alinsky politics to rewrite history, claiming it was the Republican Party that was oppressing blacks. Al Gore’s father was a Tennessee segregationist in the Senate. Democratic Senator Robert Byrd from West Virginia was a member of the KKK. He was lauded as a great man upon his death, his racism conveniently forgotten. His a list of segregationists during the civil rights movement, 1955-1968. Note that most are Democrats.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_segregationists_during_the_African-American_Civil_Rights_Movement_(1955–68)

          • plsilverman

            really? the Democratic Party?…because the Dixiecrats were racist? They were Democrat in name only. Yes, there were a number of those supposed traditionalists – playing – for votes and whatever else – to that Confederate mentality .Shucks, you knew that! :)

          • George Williams

            Gee, in name only, but when some wayward Republican says something stupid, it’s exploited by your party as though they’d found the Holy Grail of universal smears to be applied to all of them.

          • plsilverman

            my party? I very reluctantly became a Democrat in 2010. I still do not agree with them on more than a few things. So, sorry to disappoint you. TYou should calm down. Please quit initiating these insulting posts in my direction.
            By the way, what does perceived Leftist hypocrisy have to do with the FACT that George Wallace was “democrat” (esp. in the early 1960s) in name only?

          • plsilverman

            really? I thought the troops suffered under W., not having the protective gear they needed and being used up to 8 times on consecutive tours. What ostentatious lifestyle? can U elaborate? but what would be the point – I expect more biased, bizarre observations. He did not win the Nobel Prize? news to us.

          • George Williams

            Just what was the justification for Obama receiving the Nobel Peace Prize? Please provide a narrative, with details. Provide proof. Obama did not win Nobel Peace Prize. You can’t be said to win a race that you’ve never competed in. Apparently progressive Democrats believe otherwise, and concur with this time sham. The rest of us can’t quite grasp the ethics of such thinking, however. Perhaps we just have different standards.

        • plsilverman

          Obama to “actually work”? with 450 filibusters against him…someone must think he’s been busy. :)

          • Wheels55

            “People say I am lazy, but it takes all my time” Joe Walsh written for Barack Obama.

          • plsilverman

            spounds mildly racist, no? is “lazy” the new mantra from the RNC? they gotta be desperate, at this point.

          • Wheels55

            Now now plsilverman, if you want people to take you seriously you have too put away the race card. In fact, you must think that people of color are lazy to have thought of that. I don’t think that way as I live in South Florida (where I am a minority) and I see all kinds of hard working and successful people. Lazy is something that the DNC created when it went all entitlement happy.

            I don’t speak for the RNC, I am Libertarian. However, anyone that says Obama is lazy will get no argument from me.

          • plsilverman

            really? ya mean when they supported Welfare Reform? when they politely asked for extension of unemployment because the hard right was determined to keep blue collar workers home to keep Obama’s unemployment figures high? >>>yeah, a true lazy man: who has positive job creation for over 40 consecutive months despite about 450 filibusters – brought up healthcare reform, only 65 years in the making, having the gall to ask Rommey to send his 8 experts to help write it – get BL 2 years after W. gave up; restore the auto industry…should he have copied the Gipper who delegated his adm. to his astrologer? no “race card” – I just point out racially charged posts in what has unfortunately become a True Hate Site. The race card has been played here, not by me, not once, but by many posters and some editorialists. if no….then do as Casey S. once said, “you could look it up”.
            “Lazy” IS part of that hate lexicon…”shiftless, ignorant, good for nothing but sports and music”. Newt says, “[Obama] has his basketball……”. did you protest that “[Obama is] the alfalfa and the omega” was not deleted from these pages? here is an African American who was elected twice in a country still divided over segregation! he has kept his promise to help all people but to focus on the middle class who have gotten royally screwed since Reagan-Regan. he never raised taxes on them and gave tax relief to the small employer. so, pal, where’s the “lazy”?

          • plsilverman

            sounds “Stepen Fetchit”…..no?

          • plsilverman

            sounds like a Stepin Fetchit reference.

          • George Williams

            Sometimes a pig is a just pig and not a sacred cow, immune from righteous criticism.

          • plsilverman

            can you…break that down…for the layman?

          • George Williams

            Your a racist, silverman, only you and your Democrats exploit race as a means of intimidating people from criticizing the president. As hard as you try in your ad hominem attacks to distract from the utter incompetence of this president, you will fail. Obama’s manifestations of incompetence and lying occur daily. You don’t have enough time in the day or influence to make the People believe other than the obvious.

          • plsilverman

            now I have to add “racist” to the file. is it “racist” to be offended by stuff like “the alfalfa and the omega” written here? I influence a great amount of people every day, politically and otherwise.

          • George Williams

            The country is full of fools to be exploited by other fools, so believe you.

          • plsilverman

            “racist”? “fool”?…you think you might be going over the top here? :)

          • George Williams

            Keep complaining. I really don’t care whether your whining gets me kicked off this blog. I think that Mr. Goldberg is one of the heroes of our time, as Mr. Krauthammer, Mr. Levin and many others of a conservative bent. If banned, I will accept it and continue reading his blog. Do you always troll in the opposition camp? Maybe you should find the CP USA sight or the whackos of MSNBC site and HufPo more to your taste.

          • plsilverman

            keep complaining? yeah, I get called a “racist” and “fool” and when I respond I’m a complainer. that’s a good one. I rarely look at Huff. and I never watch an MSNBC all the way thru. Maybe I invest 30 minutes per nite on MSNBC. probably less. a lot less. sorry.
            by the way, I don’t want you kicked off this blog..I just do not want to read what you write here. I read a lot of Conservative writers – I find you extremist.
            I wonder what William F. Buckley would think of Bernie and Mark. He’d like Krauthammer. He would detest all the Hate-Obama 24/7 specialists.

          • George Williams

            Name one idea that they filibustered. Let’s delve into the details of just one of his proposals that was foiled and discuss its merits and shortcomings.

          • plsilverman

            should I go #228 or # 152?…the POINT is that he was and is dealing with a no-compromise House and the record # of filibusters and clotures tell us why unemployment is still high. your opinion is that all of the 450 or so were 1000% justified?

          • George Williams

            Keynesian economics has never worked, yet that’s all that Obama can propose. Like FDR’s works, pure Keynesian in nature, the outcomes of Obama’s proposals would never produce the spark that would result in sustained growth, but only increase the budget and continue to expand the National Debt. Unemployment is high because, like FDR, he continues to interfere in what should be purely capitalist decisions. Read about how FDR, the man who Obama would emulate, prolonged the Great Depression by 7 years. This article was written by UCLA, not exactly a bastion of conservatism.

            http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/fdr-s-policies-prolonged-depression-5409.aspx

          • plsilverman

            supply side was considered an overall failure. Read the book by David Stockman about his exp. in the Reagan adm. unemployment is high because of obstructionism: states returning stimulus $$$$ and refusing to repair a bridge. systematically keeping construction and production workers on unemployment….plus out of control outsourcing and companies like Bain.>>>Obama was handed an 11+ trillion dollar debt, two unfunded wars, etc. the INTEREST on the debt adds up to about 3 trillion $$$$. the year extension of the insane Bush II tax relief for the very rich program added to the debt. Obama also inherited unfunded pharma. that’s not blaming…just record keeping. he has never raised taxes on 95% of us and 18 times has provided tax relief for the small employer. why is that a negative?

          • George Williams

            “Obama was handed an 11+ trillion dollar debt..” and promptly ran it up by 6 trillion dollars to 17 trillion in four years, and would continue to increase it if the Republicans weren’t “obstructionist”. I like how you measure progress. That doesn’t sound like a salient point to me, but only demerits to his presidency. I think that pretty much cancels any attaboys.

          • plsilverman

            he had to add abiout 3 trillion to the debt by paying off the interest on it – he had two unfunded wars to run; unfunded pharma.; unfunded tax relief to add 2-3 trillion and to which Obama’s year extension ADDED to the debt. Obama spent almost one billion on the GOP-based stimulus- McCain would have spent about half that amount, yes. It mostly ADDED to the debt because the upper rung refused to invest in the workforce. At one pioint, he cut about 600,000 Fed. jobs and offered an approx. 4 trillion $$$ deficit reduction package to Boehner, who wouldn’t read it.

            please do not initiate any more posts in my direction.

          • George Williams

            ” the upper rung redused to invest in the workforce…” Under Obama, that means that they refused to waste anymore money on Obama’s failures and Obama refused to cut a penny from the budget. He wouldn’t even reform the unsustainable Social Security.

          • plsilverman

            sure. Obama wastes money so let’s send our cut overseas.

          • plsilverman

            upper rung refused………..

          • George Williams

            The Black Panthers turn on Obama..

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtuQlByCRp0

          • plsilverman

            why do U continue to write to me after I politely asked you not to? re. the Panthers…yes, all 27 of them, worldwide, have some big explaining to do.

      • George Williams

        Who cares. I’ve heard so many polls with contradictory answers and inconsistent conclusions that I no longer pay attention to them. I’ve come to the conclusion that most of them are taken in California, and most of them are on drugs when they answer.

        • legal eagle

          Believe whatever you’d like…For many on the right “ignorance is bliss”…Sounds like you want to stay in your little bubble of right wing fear and loathing…How unfortunate…

          • George Williams

            No, it’s the right who are far from blissful. That’s why there is so much outrage about the ugly manifestations of lawlessness from the Obama administration. The other half of the country, when interviewed, seems to be ignorantly blissful about what is going on, especially the mainstream press who have abandoned their role as watchdog of the government. Fear and loathing is a natural response to treachery and anti-constitutional behavior that we’ve seen in the recent scandals of the Obama White House. The fact that you read nothing political hardly commends you as informed. Just how does it feel to have your head in the sand 24/7?

          • legal eagle

            I read the news and get the facts…You pay attention to clowns and haters like Mark Levin…

          • George Williams

            Levin hates Obama because he recognizes Obama for what he is, a cheap thug spawned from the Daly machine of Chicago, the same machine that put the last three Democratic governors in office, all of whom have gone to prison. You know nothing of the facts. In your old age you spend your time idly fencing with people on the internet, finding commonality with silly people like plsiverman. Your employees see you as irrelevant to the firm, with little to contribute.

          • legal eagle

            Levin hates all Dems……He makes a living getting old suckers to buy his crap books….

          • George Williams

            How many of Levin’s books have you read? You’ve already stated that you don’t read political publications, so that would be none, yet you are like the rest of the Obamabots, having full knowledge of their content. Obamabots are so smart that they don’t have to read , because they have Obama to tell them how to think.

          • plsilverman

            I watched him on Fox for years – Hannity calls him The Great One – Jackie Gleason must be turning in his grave. Recently, I’ve heard Mark praise O’Donnell from Delaware and Bachman from Zeta Retticulae. Yes he’s bright…but a Hannity toady and now, sadly, just another RNC parrot-puppet. L.E. does not need to waste his time researching Levin. Let’s assume Levin’s books are *not* fair and balanced.

          • George Williams

            “Let’s assume Levin’s books are *not* fair and balanced.”

            Why not, most of your assertions are merely assumptions, woven out of whole cloth or provided to you by Obama for America.

          • plsilverman

            I have not read any of his books, but have watched him for years when he was a constant guest of Hannity who called him The Great One. I heard some of Levin on radio when he was extoling the great intellect of Michelle Bachman. Never heard of Obama for America. sorry to disappoint you.

          • George Williams

            Levin, a “toady” of Hannity? That’s really rich. Levin is an independent thinker who is far better educated than Hannity, or any of you silly Democrats, even Obama. Obama is nothing but the poster child for affirmative action, the pinnacle of mediocrity that demonstrates just how cultist politics can win out of rational thought and meritocracy.

          • plsilverman

            have you ever heard him go on and on about the wonder of Hannity? re. Obama and “Affirmative Action” – do you have absolute proof he used Affirmative Action to get employment? If not, you are in “racism” territory. Mediocrity? you call being elected President a sign of mediocrity? being elected twice? in a country still divided over segregation? “cultist” applies more to the right these days, with dittoheads and O’Reilly “folks” and characters like Alex Jones and Jerome Corsi.

          • George Williams

            Obama was a dogbone to the national psyche, at least to the millions of young folk, you old lefties, and news media who, rather than vet him for the presidency based upon qualifications, finally found the man who would absolve them of the national guilt of historical segregation and discrimination. That is the affirmative action of which I speak. He was the poltical left wing equivalent of the sexual thrill that Chris Matthews felt run up his leg.

          • plsilverman

            that’s not Affirmative Action. It’s a racially charged generalization used in a negative against African Americans. you mean winning the Presidency twice is a sign is a sign of mediocrity? After Obama won in 2008, the hard right started right in, calling him a racist and a divider. so how did that absolution occur?

          • George Williams

            “.. you mean winning the Presidency twice is a sign is a sign of mediocrity?”
            A sign of the acceptance of how this country has accepted mediocrity as success. It’s white guilt, especially among the immature who feel that if they don’t vote for this character they will be considered racist. The media and left wing professors and so-called intellectuals have had decades to drum it into their heads. Tell me, silverman, just what in your mind made you believe that Obama was qualified to be president? I’m speaking of when he ran for his first term. Please tell us of his virtues and accomplishments..

          • plsilverman

            you can spell my last name with a capital S. >>>>his resume was comparatively light. Yes. But still he was preferable to McCain-Palin..you want her a heartbeat away? McCain’s camp. director said she knows nothing.
            But it’s all useless now to talk about because he has been elected twice and a lot of people, enough to vote for him – to stand in line 8 hrs. in defiance of voter suppression tactics esp. in the swing states say he has done a decent job despite the obstructionism and the debt left to him. you wanna go by resumes, fine , then Bush I and Nixon have the only ones (in modern times) worth considering.

          • George Williams

            The Black Panthers turn on Obama….

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtuQlByCRp0

          • plsilverman

            “cheap thug”…based upon what particular actions?

          • George Williams
          • plsilverman

            I believe I have the latest copy somewhere. They became a 2nd rate propagandist rag…although some of the writers can write. Why are you still initiating posts to me and why would I be moved by something as mediocre as The Review? Even with a true genius like what’s his name? The son of Lucienne.

          • plsilverman

            why the ad hominem attacks? but I have to admit, you have some strong crystal ball.

          • plsilverman

            name one law broken by this administration. by a stretch, I can see that the recess appointments were not in that vague “window” – if Obama’s recess appointments were unlawful, then we have to go back to about 400 and invalidate *them*. ok…but name one law – you can name the Recess app’t protocol and I’ll have to accept that – but it’s more a vague protocol than a rock solid law.

      • George Williams

        If government was run based upon the amount of thought the public puts into public polls, the nation would be in a greater disaster than it is.

        • legal eagle

          If the nation is such as disaster perhaps you should stay in your room and watch Fox News until 2016. Then you can bitch and moan about Hillary for a while…

          • George Williams

            Hillary has never accomplished a thing in her entire political career, except get elected to office. Hillary is all about cult politics. Cult politics is what got Obama the Nobel Peace Prize and the world buyer’s remorse for his failure to live up to the expectations of a Prize Committee who never even received a kiss or a cigarette for their favors.

          • legal eagle

            Hillary has accomplished far more than you…You are just a hateful and angry man who hates anyone who doesn’t agree with him…..No gives a damn what you think personally because it’s just based upon your ignorance…

          • George Williams

            Bunk. Just what has she accomplished after been given the privilege to serve her nation? Name one accomplishment? Try hard. Remember, just being Hillary doesn’t count, except to her cadre of hopeless sycophants. Just what am I ignorant of? Educate us.

          • legal eagle

            Democratic counsel on the Senate Watergate Committee.. Board of Directors Walmart Inc., Highly rated trial attorney for Rose Law Firm, First Lady. Senator form New York, Sec.of State…I’ assume you voted for a moron like Sarah Palin….What was she qualified for? What was McCain qualified for other than to start wars?

          • George Williams

            “Democratic counsel on the Senate Watergate Committee.”

            What did she do that made her indispensable to the Watergate Committee?

            “Board of Directors Walmart Inc., ”

            Don’t remember whether that was because she was the wife of an influential governor or the wife of an influential president.

            “Highly rated trial attorney for Rose Law Firm, ”
            Highly rated by whom, and for what accomplishment as an attorney?

            “First Lady.”

            A title not earned but incidental to her husband being POTUS.

            “Senator form New York, ”

            As the result of a love fest by he cultish fans. Accomplished nothing.

            “Sec.of State.”

            Said to be as the result of a deal between Obama and Bill Clinton to get his support for the presidency. Clinton hates Obama, so it’s certainly a marriage of convenience between politicians. Accomplished nothing but to add phony credentials for the presidency.

            “I’ assume you voted for a moron like Sarah Palin”

            You mean the former governor of Alaska, someone who managed an entire state?

            “What was McCain qualified for other than to start wars?”

            McCain Decades of service to his country as a Senator and leader of men as an officer in the Navy, making sacrifice for his country by serving in Vietnam as a pilot. Hillary’s service was nothing compared to him. Hillary never managed a organization larger than her office staff.

            Nothing Hillary has done warrants the pathetic adulation given to her.

          • George Williams

            “You are just a hateful and angry man who hates ..” crooked politicians and low information voters who put them in office. Yes, I am.

          • legal eagle

            You hate low information voters? That’s a lot of hatred…You hate minorities, students, labor union members, Jews and women under 40…I think you rage is sad and troubling…Do you have any friends ?

          • George Williams

            Then you like low information voters, the people who get us the worst of government, who fall for the promises of the charlatans who would destroy our Constitution, the people who will strip the productive people of the product of their labor, and destroy my country? I really think that you are stupid., an old man who’s lost his mind, now settling in to old age without concern for the nation’s future, all because you won’t live to see the looming disaster on the horizon. It’s a “life’s been good to me” so now I’ll go along to get along. When I say hate, I mean I have no respect for low information voters, people like you, for example.

          • legal eagle

            Low information voter is code for minorities…cut the nonsense…you listen to a moron like Mark Levin and that makes you a “High” information voter? In a democracy everyone get a vote….If that bothers you so much …move…

          • George Williams

            You insult minorities by exclusively associating them with the term “low information voter”. Unlike you, there are minorities that are sufficiently informed to recognize who would be their masters and patricians. Minorities are supposed to be your plantation workers, so they could never be smart enough to decide for themselves, having you and your party as their exclusive spokesman. This is more left wing demagoguery, and typical left wing modus operandi. If you can’t win on the merits, you prefer ad hominem attacks. Like most left winger pseudo intelligentsia, you resort to Alinsky’s rules as your bible and proselytize your hate speech against Republicans. Since you’ve never read Levin’s works, and are so convinced that he could have nothing of value to say, you could hardly be a fair judge. You are blinded by your own preconceived notions and hate. And since knowing one’s opposition is important in establishing a strategy for his defeat, you have crippled yourself in any war of ideas. Calling him a moron isn’t much consolation, is it?

          • legal eagle

            You insult older white guys with your absurdities….

          • plsilverman

            “code” is 1000% right.

          • legal eagle

            Levin is a bitter legal hack who got a job in the Reagan White House at age 25 and kissed Ed Meese’s butt for a few years. When he couldn’t make it in politics he fell into radio and now works for same radio syndicator as Hannity…He made his name by beating up on the Clintons and writing right wing cult books which are bought mainly by old white guys like George Williams…
            People who listen to garbage like Hannity and Levin are not low information voters they are no information voters…

          • George Williams

            And I find it preposterous that you would assert that all those people are low information voters. If I said that I hated thieves, you would come back with me with “You hate minorities, students, labor union members, Jews and women under 40.” There are thieves in those categories, but that would not make me hate all those in those categories. You’re a joke, sir, a joke.

          • George Williams

            How about your hate for Sarah Palin. She’s clearly not moron, yet something she’s done has disturbed your mind to the point of hate. Let’s explore that. Just what did she do to make you dislike her so much?

      • George Williams

        This didn’t happen in vacuum. Perhaps it has a matter of synergy when an administration is caught up in multiple scandals at the same time. Surely Benghazigate, stonewalling by Eric Holder on Fast and Furious, his fraud on the warrant on Fox’s Rosen, the AP scandal and the IRS scandal have influenced the disastrous plummet in trust of the Obama administration, after all, when it comes down to it, the NSA issue is fundamentally all about trust. The Obama administration has betrayed the trust of the People so routinely that he’s lost all credibility. You didn’t consider this? You are right about one thing, it sure is dependent upon the administration in power, but it has nothing to do with party.

    • legal eagle

      Which box do you think criminals or terrorists would check…Think the phone companies don’t keep your records?

      • George Williams

        The same box criminals (read illegal immigrant criminal)s who would identify themselves to the government would check, as some Democrats would have it, in order that we know who is here.

  • derbdad

    I wanted to share this with my derby son (and thereby his Obamaniac friends), but the title was changed!

  • legal eagle

    The executive branch, Congress and the Courts say that collecting data is constitutional. You and Bill O’Reilly say it’s not….I rest my case…

    • dave davies

      I believe Drew is saying we have put very powerful tools in the hands of people whom we do not trust, because they have proven themselves to be unworthy of that trust. Do you put the fox in charge of the hen house, no matter how many times he says he isn’t hungry?

      • legal eagle

        You mistrust who? Anyone you didn’t vote for? So you trust the Bush Administration but not the Obama Administration?
        If you complain about surveillance only when a Dem is in office your going to be complaining for many years to come…..LOL

        • George Williams

          Davies is right. The weakness of our system is that the ethics of the intelligence gathering agency is vulnerable to the politicization of both the method and use of intelligence gathering. The IRS scandal is proof of this, albeit on a cruder, almost comical level. Once the scope of intelligence gathering reaches a critical level, it has the potential of putting a tool that would give a corrupt president tremendous power, power never intended by the Founding Fathers, or the People they served. Should we permit the power of our intelligence gathering agencies to grow to this level, and risk such abuse of power, or take the risk that not doing so will put us in harm’s way? Which should we fear most, the absolute power of government, or the threat from without?

        • dave davies

          This administration has given us reason to mistrust them. I would have been very happy if Obama turned out to make his terms in office open and aboveboard. I am not going to list each item to you since in the comments on this editorial they have been written out. The way the health care bill was orchestrated in closed sessions and various states were bribed to get on board. How Obama lied about, or allowed lies about Romney during the election.

      • Bob Hadley

        Are you talking about Pres. Bush and VP Cheney back years ago? :)

        • George Williams

          Just how did Chaney and Bush affect your personal freedoms, or are you just mouthing the mantra of the leftist agitators who worked for the Democats, who we now know to be Bush and Cheney on steroids?

          • Bob Hadley

            You need to take a deep breath and then re-read my post immediately above and re-read dave davies post . Neither I nor dave davies addressed the affectation of personal freedom. We addressed power in the hands of the untrustworthy, NOT the actual abuse of that power. Got it?

            If you read my posts, you’d understand that I supported much or all of the Bush Administration’s approach to ferreting out terrorists – even the so-called spy programs. This support was notwithstanding the Bush administration’s under-handed and devious propaganda campaign for the invasion of Iraq. Some of my liberal friends couldn’t understand why. I tried explaining to them that, although the Bush administration’s techniques made me nervous, the specter of another terrorist attack made me even more nervous.

            It’s no wonder that your posts are so one dimensional and impertinent: you’re a die-hard ideologue. You live in a black and white world. With that mind-set, you will not understand anything but extremes.

            As for personal freedoms to do as I want, they haven’t been affected by any government – federal, state or local – during my adult lifetime, spanning several administrations. In fact, I doubt my personal freedoms were affected by state action before I became an adult, unless you count compulsory schooling. But, even if schooling were not the law, I’m certain my parents would have made me go to school.

    • George Williams

      I lost my respect for the courts when the SCOTUS rewrote the government’s case for Obamacare, effectively changing their argument from one based upon the power of the Commerce Clause to one of the federal government’s power to tax. The idea that the federal government has virtually unlimited power to make a citizen buy any product it so chooses, against his will is so repugnant and un-American that it provokes rage in millions of Americans. As far as the Executive Branch is concerned, it no longer warrants the respect of the American people. I hold none of the branches in high esteem. Without the respect of the American people the government loses its legitimacy. I’m not impressed by your argument on the government’s a

      • legal eagle

        You had respect for the courts but when they made a ruling you didn’t agree with you lost your respect? You cant be that fickle, can you?

        • George Williams

          The Courts ruling was manifestly in conflict with the principle of freedom understood by any thinking man. Defend the idea that the government should have the power to force people to purchase a product against their will? Unlike you, I don’t believe that the SCOTUS are gods. The law loses legitimacy when it goes against our fundamental freedoms.

          • plsilverman

            How did U feel about the Supreme Court supporting Citizens United – and stopping a recount in 2000?

          • George Williams

            A corporation is voluntary association of people for the purpose of economic gain, and as such they are entitled to all the protections of the Constitution, as are Melon Foundation, the Red Cross, the Sierra Club, the ACLU, and all other incorporated associations. Leftists want to assure that only their causes have protection under the Constitution. Frankly, I could care less about 2000, as there’s nothing that we could say or do that would make a difference.

          • Bob Hadley

            People aren’t forced to buy medical insurance if they don’t want it. They can pay a sum (a tax , a fine, whatever you want to call it) that amounts to catastrophic medical insurance (just in case they wake up in the ER some day.

            The point is that we have had a type (a lousy type) of socialized medical care for a long time. Anyone without medical insurance can use the ER for primary care and/or for emergency care and not pay for the bill. Guess who picks up the tab?
            I’d much rather be forced to pay less at the front end for preventive care and health maintenance than be forced to pay more for care and treatment at the back end.
            The real question is how effective the cost controls of Obamacare will be. We’ll see.

          • George Williams

            Where does government intrusiveness stop? I can make the same case against cigarette smokers, or mountain climbers. Both are risky propositions for the actors, and open the public up to higher insurance costs. Would you go so far as to pass laws forcing people not to engage in any risky behavior at all? And just who would be given such authority, the government? Hah! The cost of freedom is society’s risking that the individual will occasionally engage in risky behavior. Do you want the government regulating all risks in life to the point where you have no freedom at all? That would undoubtedly save us all a lot of money, but would life be worth living?

          • Bob Hadley

            You completely skewed my point. Try to stay focused.

            How is forcing people to pay more at the back end for unpaid ER treatment more intrusive than us being forced to pay less at the front end for preventative care and early detection and treatment? The over-use of ERs by people who cannot afford it is a serious and growing problem.
            Cigarette smokers and mountain climbers and the like may pay more for their health insurance if they have it. On the other hand, if they aren’t insured, they will affect the cost of health care if they end up in the ER. Thanks for illustrating my point!
            I think your example of mountain climbers is inapt for one of the points I think you were trying to make. But risky lifestyles like smoking and sedentary activities combined with lots of junk food do indeed escalate the need for medical care. This makes preventative care and early detection and treatment so much more important.
            If we come to the point where smoking and obesity are so costly, even with preventative care and early treatment being generally available, that the health of our economy is in dire danger, then we can have that discussion. In that case, no one knows what the SCOTUS would rule even if bans were effected to prevent smoking or obesity.

          • George Williams

            If you want money from deadbeats, then sue them. Make it easy for hospitals to sue, and award legal fees to the hospital for doing so. That’s how our system of law works, for situations other than health care. Or, as an alternative deny them care, if you feel that they are capable of paying but won’t sign a letter of indebtedness and consent to pay off their hospital bill. Let’s repeal the stupid laws that compel hospitals to care for obvious deadbeats, people who have means. Only care for people who have no job or means of paying. Why should I pay for your compulsive compassion? If you feel otherwise, then contribute to a public charity that will bail them out, but don’t rope the rest of us into your schemes of public health care. When people know that they won’t be cared for when they go to the hospital they will feel compelled to be insured.

          • Bob Hadley

            First, most people who use and misuse ERs are what lawyers call “judgment proof,” i.e. they don’t have the money or the assets to pay. You can garnish their wages of some but, pursuant to federal law, you can only take a small percentage of their pay. For those, they usually declare bankruptcy. Bottom line, suing them usually puts hospitals further in the hole.

            Under current laws and the current legal system, comprehensive medical insurance reform will lessen the burden on people like you and me. The only two options we currently have is to be forced to pay more – under the current system – or to be forced to pay less – under comprehensive medical insurance. Which do you prefer? If Obamacare doesn’t have effective enough cost controls, let’s make the law better.

            Then, when the moon turns green and you and your cohorts succeed in completely repealing and reforming the various laws as you outline above, then we don’t need Obamacare. In that case, if you’re in a car accident and lying unconscious on the side of the road, the ambulance won’t come and you won’t be admitted to the ER unless and until they get proof of payment from someone. If you die while they’re waiting for verification that payments will be made, then as they say in China, “That’s the breaks.”

            Bottom line, repealing and reforming bankruptcy law, debtor/creditor law and the law relating to ERs (as you apparently favor) is complicated and has all kinds of unintended consequences. You obviously have not though these changes.

          • George Williams

            So, it’s better to implement Obamacare with all its faults and complexity than reform the law and force people to become responsible. Frankly, I like my idea better.

          • Bob Hadley

            You’ve got to read these posts carefully. Otherwise, we can’t have a meaningful discussion. And I assume that’s what you want. You missed my point again.

            My point is that Obamacare care is already law and is in the process of being implemented – the final stage next year.

            Let’s say for sake of argument that I agree that your idea of repealing the various bankruptcy laws, creditor/debtor law and laws governing ERs is better than having Obamacare. When you deal in reality, however, it would be extremely difficult and extremely time consuming for you to actually – i.e. in reality – get these laws repealed.

            It took a century or so to adopt comprehensive medical insurance reform. How long do you think repealing the above-mentioned laws will take?

            I’ll tell you what, when you get all those laws repealed, then we can talk about how Obamacare is not necessary to lower your and my (and the country’s) financial burden. Right now, the reality is that comprehensive medical insurance reform is necessary to benefit you and I and the entire country.

            BTW, if you’re hit and lying unconscious on the roadside, do you really want any medical attention to be denied unless and until there’s proof of payment??????

          • George Williams

            It’s bad law that will be repealed by popular demand. This will fall apart because it costs too much and the public will demand its dismantlement.

          • Bob Hadley

            Obviously, you’re more interested in ideological complaining than in practical problem solving. Dream on…

          • George Williams

            No, you have your head in the sand. Obamacare will be repealed. Practical problem solving involves its repeal, ….
            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/17/the-high-price-of-obamacare/

          • Bob Hadley

            There you go again! You’re obviously not interested in problem solving. Just stay in your house, watching FNC and reading right wing blogs and you’ll have a lot to snipe about.

            If Obamacare were repealed, which is highly unlikely, then we’d be back to square one – with costs of unpaid medical care eating us alive.

            You offered solution that certain bankruptcy laws, creditor laws and laws governing ER’s be repealed is impractical. It’s highly unlikely that that will happen anytime in the foreseeable future.

            BTW, why do you keep evade the question I’ve asked you twice: If you were severely injured and on the roadside unconscious, would you be OK with any emergency medical assistance being delayed until there was proof of payment?

            Out of curiosity, when did you first become upset with paying for others’ ER use? I bet it wasn’t until the debate over Obamacare started.

          • George Williams

            I guess that you haven’t read the latest on Obamacare, because current projections show that it doesn’t keep costs down. Frankly, my health care is not your business, nor does it have a basis in the Constitution of the United States, the only document that gives the government power. Sadly, you would have all your personal woes solved by the federal government. To the Democrats: Keep out of my wallet and my life. Again, if you feel compelled to tolerate the abuse of the health care system by others, then pay for their health care yourself out of privately funded charities. Don’t bellyache to me and demand that the federal government and hospitals pick up the tab, as has been done in the past. A few major damage suits won against the property and wealth of individuals who refuse to pay, though they can afford to, will go a long way towards convincing would be deadbeats to obtain insurance. Whining, doing nothing to correct that problem, and imposing an oppressive and proven inefficient socialized health care system upon the people is not the solution.

          • Bob Hadley

            I guess you’re only listening to the conservative media. Other media have reported that’s Obamacare is working well..

            I don’t know if Obamacare will be sufficient to keep health insurance costs low enough. If so, we need to improve on it like medicare, for example, was improved upon.

            The neutral and slightly conservative Congessional Budget Office says that Obamacare will at first result at an increase in rates but then rates will start to go down after it’s fully implemented, and will continue to go down over time.

            I know I know I know. Garbage in, garbage out – right??? That’s right wing talking points whenever they don’t like the CBO’s conclusions. When they like what the CBO says, they tout it as a pristine arbiter.

            And the same goes for the left wing.

            I know people like you are hoping against hope that Obamacare fails so that you can claim your ideology will be vindicated.

            We’ll see. But a better idea would be to improve on Obamacare if it falls a little short.

          • Bob Hadley

            I’ll give you one last chance to answer my very pertinent question: is it really OK with you if you’re injured and unconscious and lying on the roadside, if emergency medical care for you is held up unless and until proof of payment can be established?

            This is not an inquiry into your personal info. I’m asking a general question that does not presume anything about you other than you might someday be unconscious or unable to communicate and need emergency medical care. You can answer with a simple “Yes” or “No.” You can expand on your answer without revealing any of your personal info.

          • George Williams

            Let’s be specific about where it is working well. Tell us, so we can evaluate on case by case basis.

          • Bob Hadley

            I’ve heard that is the State of California, where people actually want Obamacare to work, it has actually lowered health insurance costs. That’s even before implementation of the major cost control – the individual mandate. I haven’t verified that this is true, and I claimed that it is true.

            Now, let’s look at you’ve written Obamacare’s obituary even before it has been fully implemented. You speak as though you have cornered the truth on ObamacareYou should know that it must be in full effect for at least a few years before we know how well it will work.

            Be specific (no ideological or general rhetoric that we all hear from the right wing media), what is the specific and CONCLUSIVE proof that it will not work?

            You have not provided any practical and REALISTIC resolutions (ones that have any chance of being enacted anytime within the next 5 years or so) to our immediate and growing problem of the burgeoning medical insurance costs. That speaks volumes.

          • George Williams

            Really? Once again the gullible have fallen for the lies of the socialists in California. This refutes CA claims..
            .http://spectator.org/archives/2013/06/19/obamas-unaffordable-act

          • Bob Hadley

            I read the Spectator article. Apparently you’ll believe anything without any questions asked as long as it validates your predisposition.

            How credible is it that individual insurance rates have almost doubled but that they are less than rates for small businesses to cover employees? Doesn’t that sound strange? If anything, it should be the reverse.

            It’s possible that this is true, but it needs to be verified by a neutral and reputable source. The author obviously has an axe to grind. The Spectator routes for Obamacare to fail. You need to employ critical thinking, not negative thinking.

            Again, the Congressional Budget Office has determined that Obamacare will initially cause rates to increase but then, when fully implemented, rates will level off and then start to go down and declining for awhile.

            The only way to drive medical insurance costs down is to have a comprehensive system with universal coverage. . Otherwise, we’re stuck with steadily increasing medical costs.

            Your idea of repealing various bankruptcy, creditor land ER laws is pie-in-the-sky, at best. And you studiously ignore the unintended consequences of repealing these laws.

            Further, a majority dislike Obamacare, but a majority also favors comprehensive medical insurance. Many of those who dislike Obamacare do so because they want a public option or a single payer system. That’s something that the right wing media deemphasizes.

            To get the real story, you have to pay attention to a variety of sources. That is, if you’re really interested in the truth.

          • George Williams

            “You should know that it must be in full effect for at least a few years before we know how well it will work.”

            Yes, let’s wait. Tell that to the people who are just now getting their work hours cut to accommodate their employers exemption from Obamcare. Tell that to the people who will remain unemployed because employers are reluctant to expand their businesses beyond 50 employees or those who will be cut from their jobs for the same reason. You can wait 4 years but it won’t change employer’s minds about Obamcare, nor employees who feel its sting.

          • George Williams

            I doesn’t matter to me. I’m against the federal government, in principle, being given the power to force the citizen to purchase something against his will.

  • Kendall Peterson

    Bernard, having been a roller derby official for the last 8 years, I think you meant to say WWE NOT roller derby. There are over 2500 roller derby leagues globally, and these girls are “hat down over the eyes” serious. I don’t know what 1970’s idea you may have about derby, but I would be more than happy to help get you to a bout to further your education. I am also head trainer and board member for a 501(c)3 youth roller derby league. We’d love to have you come by to see the future of derby train.
    Kendall Peterson,
    kendall @ consultant .com

    • bullet sucker

      thank you for pointing out that roller derby is a legit sport today! bernie, do your research, or have your interns do it for you, before you use outdated references you know nothing about. the roller derby mention makes no sense, especially 3/4 of the way into the article.

  • Iklwa

    When the President says “You can’t have 100% of both (safety and privacy) with no inconvenience” he is right.

    My questions are:

    How much privacy must we sacrifice for “safety”?

    What does he (the President) define as safety?

    How much privacy sacrificed will ever satiate a government’s desire to control its citizen’s lives?

    Isn’t this one of the oldest excuses in the book for seizing citizens’ rights…”for your own welfare”?

    I for one am not comfortable at all with the self proclaimed Intelligencia deciding what level of privacy is fit for my existence.

    Government may only assure its citizens of their ability to protect themselves once a criminal (or in this case terrorist) attacks by preserving that citizenry’s ability to arm itself and act accordingly. I find it interesting that this administration not only wants to regulate our physical bodies from cradle to grave and eavesdrop on our communications but would also be thrilled at the prospect of disarming the common man.

    They would just as soon have us cowering in our homes like the citizens of Iraq or Mexico, being blown up on and murdered on a daily basis, hoping for the government to “do something” rather than behave like the armed citizens of Boston who located and trapped the Marathon Bomber until the police arrived.

    The actions of the citizens of Boston were those of free men not sheep living at the behest of a government.

    PS I know what professional wrestling and roller derby are all about. I suspect I know what this government is all about and if I were a betting fellow, I wouldn’t lay a dime down on this administration’s honesty…honestly.

    • George Williams

      “How much privacy must we sacrifice for “safety”?
      Under a Democratic regime that would always be up to those elite who claim to know best. And since they believe in the Constitution as a “living document”, that will morph into whatever is convenient at the time, amending the COTUS be damned.

    • legal eagle

      Can you tell us whether you were upset when Bush took your freedom under the guise of the Patriot Act? Your hypocrisy is showing…

      • Iklwa

        For all of the jumping about and hair pulling over the first iteration of the Patriot Act, there was not one single solid case brought by the ACLU against the Bush administration regarding violation of civil rights.

        In the case of the Obama administration’s bastardization of what was once the Patriot Act we now have the ACLU and others litigating violations of civil liberties and by all accounts they are on solid footing. That is not hypocrisy. It is fact.

        I notice you neglected to outline what was “safe” or “too intrusive” or what was acceptable “sacrifice” in our freedoms.

        Interestingly, those same hairy, tattooed, protesters that were so active during the Bush administration have gone deathly quiet.
        Hummm…

        • legal eagle

          ACLU Letter to the House of Representatives Opposing Reauthorization of the USA PATRIOT Act

          July 20, 2005

          RE: H.R. 3199 – the “”USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization Act of 2005″”

          Make a Difference

          Your support helps the ACLU stand up for human rights and defend civil liberties.

          Give Now

          Dear Representative:

          On behalf of the American Civil Liberties Union’s nearly 500,000 members, we write to express our opposition to H.R. 3199, the “”USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization Act of 2005,”” which extends the expiring provisions of the Patriot Act with only minimal changes.

          Nearly four years after the passage of the Patriot Act, almost 400 communities — including seven states and representing roughly 62 million Americans– have passed resolutions calling on Congress to rein in the most egregious provisions of the Patriot Act. Our federal lawmakers should heed this call for liberty.

          The House of Representatives has heard bipartisan calls for Patriot reform. It has voted, twice, to reject extreme provisions of the Patriot Act. It should do so again.

          Unfortunately, the bill the House Judiciary Committee approved is a flawed bill that makes all but two of its expiring provisions permanent. It puts an excessively long ten-year sunset on those two provisions. It only includes minimal changes that the Justice Department has already conceded and does not address the major concerns raised about these intrusive powers.

          Even more disappointing, the House Rules Committee has rejected allowing a fair, up-or-down vote on series of amendments that would correct these flaws based on no apparent principle other than the fact that these amendments likely have majority support on the House floor.

          • Iklwa

            A letter to the House of Representatives does not nearly rise to the level of a federal law suit.

            Another interesting tidbit regarding your example of protest by the ACLU: At the time the Act was passed, there was a majority of liberal democrats seated. What gives with that?

            Shouting from the roof tops and beating your chest only makes the neighbors upset (from the disturbance) and gives one a headache and sore knuckles. It doesn’t change the facts, Ma’am.

            If you only watched ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN or CBS you wouldn’t be so disturbed by what is going on. You wouldn’t even know what’s going on. Perhaps just switching channels would solve your problem.

          • legal eagle

            Do you know how much effort it takes to file a Federal lawsuit? About 2 hours of time and about $350.00…
            “It doesn’t rise to the level….”
            As usual the facts get in the way of your nonsensical statements….

          • Iklwa

            You may call my comments “nonsensical” yet you continue to ignore the main questions posed.

            Typical liberal tactics…change the subject, call names and/or demean the opposition.

            True, filing a federal lawsuit is easy and relatively cheap.

            Writing a letter to Congress is absolutely free.

            The point is: How much wasted time does a pointless suit represent?

            How much time are you wasting?

            Reasonable lawyers are hesitant to bring frivolous suits because they know they will be rejected.

            Reasonable people have a modicum of intellectual honesty.

          • legal eagle

            As an attorney and a long time member of the ACLU I can tell you that you are making a distinction without a difference.
            I am giving you the facts….Check the ACLU website regarding their actions opposing the Patriot Act and every extension of the Patriot Act.
            Additionally, how do you know what reasonable lawyers do for their clients?
            If you don’t like the facts ignore them…

          • George Williams

            The ACLU was formed by the Communist Party USA. Nice company you keep… http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/01/04/unearthed-letters-link-aclu-founders-to-communist-party/

          • legal eagle

            And I care about this claim that the ACLU was started by Communists in 1931 because?

          • George Williams

            …you would if you had any personal integrity and understanding of the evils of communism.

          • legal eagle

            Thank you Joe McCarthy… I am always looking out for Communists and their sympathizers….

          • George Williams

            The ignorance is yours. McCarthy was proven substantially correct. The FDR administration was full of communist sympathizes, as indicated in the Soviet Verona files. That you still refer to him as a total charlatan shows how touch with history you are.

            http://www.wnd.com/2000/02/4020/

          • legal eagle

            Thanks Archie Bunker…..Fortunately I wasn’t old enough but I’m sure you were….Stay in your bubble George….Fox News and Levin need more true believers like you….Were you always this bitter?

          • George Williams

            It’s not bitterness without cause. I was once a Democrat, until I realized just what that meant, the maintenance and importation of poverty in order to perpetuate dependence upon political hacks for benefits. My anger comes from the realization that half the country is full of people like you, who, after decades of living on this planet have never learned a thing about human nature, the practicalities of our economic situation, the COTUS, basis for the foundation of this country and how people like Obama and the Democrats are destroying our nation. I can only conclude that your blissful nature is at least in part due to you being from California, where marijuana and drugs are prevalent. I aver that it is you who are in a bubble, a bubble that is sadly destroying this country.

          • legal eagle

            Sir…I am a highly educated and quite successful. While my political views may have been influenced by mu parents and my upbringing be assured that “my blissful nature” comes from the fact that I have had a very lucky and fortunate life.
            The ridiculous nature of your statement regarding California and drugs makes me believe that either you are very old and bitter or you’ve stopped trying to be serious….Regardless of the reasons I do find you interesting and I wish you only the best…

          • George Williams

            Perhaps your good fortune has made you blind to the misfortune of others and the slippery slope that our nation finds itself. Perhaps if you experienced the plight of millions of unemployed and understood the unsustainable nature of the 17 trillion dollars in debt that have added to your posterity, you’d realize that this president is the most destructive man to ever to occupy the White House. I suggest that you are the victim of complacency and past history of this nation, arguing through comparisons with errant presidencies that somehow we can afford to ignore the malignant nature of this one.

          • plsilverman

            Commeeezz! except for the “68 to 71″ in Congress there are about 24 left in the world. believe it.

          • George Williams

            The “commies” wised up. Like all subversives who feel the scorn of decent men, ACORN to name one, they change names and keep a low profile until the right moment in history. Obama brought his ugly following with him from Chicago. Chicago was a hotbed of communism in the 1930’s. Valerie Jarrett, Obama’s puppetmaster’s father was a communist. Allen West was right about the subversive nature of the Democratic Congress, one made up of people who deride the COTUS as out of date, often referring to it as a “living document”, one they prefer ignoring or attributing new meanings to, meanings never intended by the Founding Fathers. Obama once said that he had wished that the SCOTUS had taken it upon themselves to actively pursue redistributive justice. Where in the COTUS he found such a radical approach to law within the authority of the SCOTUS is beyond the ken of intelligence Constitutionalists. Obviously he doesn’t believe in the COTUS that most of us revere.

  • trailbee

    It is the absent truth factor that is making my skin crawl. The current parties are pretty much aligned on amoral/moral lines. And that is what is so distressing. The progressives? are using the touchy feely routine to distract the uninformed into believing that they are moral. The conservatives, at most, are tied by the navel to the do good system, and can’t get any of the uninformed to believe them. Two parties, two systems.
    The IRS debacle has suddenly brought this fact to the forefront, and even though 99% of us understand about Homeland Security, we also are fully cognizant of who is sitting in the White House and what they are doing – putting the screws to America. Now the troll is trying to extricate himself – again. So far, it’s been a busy six months.

  • redrowan2000

    Why do we have a government that can’t give a straight answer? There could be a few reasons : National Security concerns, Covering up mismanagement, covering up a crime, protecting higher ups from scrutiny.
    Can anybody give me any other reasons why there has not been one definitive answer to questions on Benghazi, Why Eric Holder lied before congress, Why the head of the IRS was evasive and why his predecessor lied about targeting of certain groups, why Lerner, a servant of the people took the 5th amendment?
    Just asking.

    • Wheels55

      Last year, the reason was being re-elected. Now it seems to be for the 2014 and 2016 elections.
      One would think that admitting mistakes, taking responsibility and taking actions to correct would win the hearts and minds of Americans. I have to assume that Obama and his crew are not so lame that they do not know what is going on or even how to fix things. So, it must be a complete lack of confidence in their ability to be flawed. I guess they thought we saw them as super-human and they have to try to stay that way. What idiots!!

    • steve

      These guys are all products of the “Peter Principle.” The principle that [paraphrased] contends that good people do good work, but that those who seek and rise to the echelons of authority are the lack luster, deadwood of humanity. Their approach to their jobs once they arrive, and to those who would ask them to do their jobs, is to say “Well what do you expect me to do?”, shrug their shoulders, and continue to collect their paychecks and vote to raise their own pay.
      Incompetence, and when something goes wrong, a systemic lack of integrity, coupled with a convenient knowledge that today’s honesty falls somewhere in: ‘” .. what the meaning of “is” is.”‘

      • legal eagle

        I’m not sure what democratically elected officeholders have to do with the Peter Principle? Maybe you can enlighten us?

        • George Williams

          Easy. They have advocates who extoll their bogus credentials, like their claim that Obama was a Constitutional scholar when he was only a lowly instructor. His advocates were so convincing to the public and people who should know better that this mediocre product of affirmative action actually got the Nobel Peace Prize, when he did nothing to warrant it. He was promoted by others to the public to the point where they managed to be put him in a position several levels above is competency, the presidency of the United States. That’s a clear case of the Peter Principle on steroids. Is that good enough to you LE?

          • legal eagle

            I thought Obama was elected to the Senate and the POTUS? Who managed to get him elected the 65 million who voted for him?

          • George Williams

            In a very Democratic state, one in which there was no way a Republican could get elected to the Senate, Obama effectively ended democracy by destroying the eligibility of the competition…http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/29/obamas.first.campaign/#cnnSTCVideo
            For the second POTUS shot, he used surrogates like Harry Reid to smear Romney and dupe millions of useful idiots like yourself to vote for him. Obama is on the path to perdition, because all the scandals will generate buyer’s remorse and destroy his legacy, showing the voters for the foolst they are.

          • legal eagle

            How was Romney smeared? Care to be specific?

    • legal eagle

      If you knew anything about the law you would know why Lerner took the Fifth and the last time I looked Government employees have the same constitutional rights as everyone else.

      • George Williams

        No. Taking the fifth amounts to an admission that you might be prosecuted for committing a crime. How productive would congressional oversight be if every civil servant under oath cited their rights under the 5th Amendment as a matter of habit? Explain to us legal eagle, just what could Lerner’s motive be? Tell us, legal eagle. Tell us what should be obvious to our ignorant eyes. I’m a federal employee, and I would not hesitate to testify as to the truth of a matter. Do you have a law degree?

        • legal eagle

          Your point is correct about Lerner. Issa and other Republicans asserted, in the media, that they believed crimes were committed by IRS personnel .
          Any competent counsel would advise their client, that under the circumstances of a congressional hearing, which does not allow for any due process, their client should not testify without immunity or without taking the fifth, as they have no idea what crime Issa is referring to.
          Does the constitution not apply to civil servants? If Lerner did commit a “crime” it’s up to the Justice Department to bring an indictment.
          Based upon the facts that I have seen thus far I have no idea what “crime” she might of committed. Time will tell.

          • George Williams

            The client should have told her story to her lawyer from the outset. If the questions were leading to her implication in a crime, then her lawyer would have been on hand to interject and make his objections known to her. She could have taken his advice and made claims on her constitutional rights at that time, on a question by question case.

          • legal eagle

            All I can say is that she followed her lawyers advice. If I have a client that chooses not to follow my advice on a major issue in a legal proceeding I tell them to find other counsel.
            Have you ever hired a lawyer to represent you in a legal matter?

          • George Williams

            Not in a criminal case, but I would do so with trepidations if need be, as they have the ethics of alligators.

      • redrowan2000

        I know some things about the law but I also have my own profession about which, since you represent yourself as a lawyer and a pedant you would be out of your depth . So educate me .
        I understand that government employees have the right to take the 5th and have equal protection under the law. But you being a little eagle could you please explain to me the reason why Lerner took the 5th, and substantiate this with facts rather than left wing dribble defending a government employee who targets certain Americans based on their political beliefs. By the way if you were an attorney in court and prior to asking a defendant a question, they made a statement that they were not guilty of any crimes nor did they do anything wrong. Would you say that they had given up their 5th amendment privilege? Don’t forget down the road a Republican could be up before Congress . Since your rule of law runs based on your party affiliation please try to be objective.

    • plsilverman

      you have ZERO evidence a “crime” was committed with any of these “wish list scandals”.

      • George Williams

        Regardless as to whether the president has committed a crime or not, appearances count. A president should meet more than legal standards. A president should meet ethical standards and be above reproach, and be an example for those who work under him, else they justify bad behavior by his poor example. The IRS scandal very well could be an example of people who felt justified in their ends-justifies-the-means behavior due to Obama’s and his subordinates demonization of the Republicans. A president need not commit a crime to destroy his presidency. The president’s and his surrogate’s behavior demonstrated during the last election a sad lack of ethics not demonstrated by his opposition. Ethics are not situational for an honest man. By that measure Obama and his cronies have very low standards indeed, standards that he resorts to on a daily basis..

        • plsilverman

          “daily basis”? ok, you’ve admitted your subjectivity on the issue. Maybe too many of us are over-critical of 1600 since Vietnam, Watergate, Iran-Contra, Cheney’s War in Iraq, etc. We say that the executive branch is presumed guilty.

          • George Williams

            Yes, the man is compulsive liar and as Ralph Nader recently said, a con man. Liars often use their talent to hide things. Soon, Obama’s indiscretions will come to light, and all the dots will be connected. We will not have to tolerate the sycophant yapping dogs who defend Obama the pathetic way they do. http://www.inquisitr.com/706401/ralph-nader-scolds-con-man-obama-video/

          • plsilverman

            once again, you have given me subjectivity. I am willing to learn something. now, take a deep breath – give me TWO real “lies” and let’s analyze like a coupla adults. :)

    • legal eagle

      Because Governments and corporations are in the business of revealing as little truth as they can…As I assume you are older than 16 I believe that this situation should not shock you….Does It?

      • George Williams

        The government has power only through the will of the electorate. Corporations have power through the will of the set of people known as shareholders. Shareholders have constitutional rights to privacy. Governments do not, only their employees, and only when it affects their mission and their lives. The government has an obligation under the law to operate openly, except where national defense dictates and employee privacy issues come into play. Corporations are competitive, and maintain secrecy to protect intellectual and physical property. Unless they are in violation of the law, the set of people that comprise corporations, to include stockholders, have a right to privacy under the COTUS. It is impossible for a corporation to exist without employees or stockholders. To repeat, a corporation is not an inanimate object, but humans who are not devoid of rights under the COTUS, as Democrats and Obama have declared.

        • legal eagle

          It is a bit difficult to debate someone who never cites any facts. When did you become a constitutional scholar> The government has an obligation, under what law?, to operate openly…What are you talking about? Stockholders have no right to privacy…In fact stockholder records are in the public domain…You can believe what you want but little of what you believe is based upon the law or any particular fact….
          I am always open to learning something new so tell me what law says stockholders have a right to privacy?

    • plsilverman

      You got proof that Holder “lied”?

      • redrowan2000

        Yep Yep,
        Silverman your like shooting fish in a barrel.
        I suggest you read it before dismissing as you may actually learn something .
        Other than “You got proof” As his best defense
        Eric Holder’s Long History Of Lying To Congress
        Guest post by Investors Business Daily

        Scandal: Before he lied to Congress while under oath about what he knew about targeting reporters, he lied about Fast and Furious. As early as the New Black Panthers case, Eric Holder had a problem with the truth.

        That the House Judiciary Committee is investigating whether Attorney General Eric Holder lied under oath during his May 15 testimony on Department of Justice (DOJ) surveillance of reporters comes as no surprise. People have forgotten about the New Black Panther case, perhaps the most clear-cut case of voter suppression and intimidation ever. On Election Day 2008, New Black Panther Party members in military garb were videotaped intimidating voters outside a Philadelphia polling place.The slam-dunk prosecution of these thugs was dropped by Holder’s Justice Department. When asked why, Holder, on March 1, 2011, testified before the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, Science and Related Agencies that the “decisions made in the New Black Panther Party case were made by career attorneys in the department.”
        Holder lied, for the decisions were made by political appointees. J. Christian Adams, a former career DOJ attorney in the Voting Rights Section, testified before the U.S. Civil Rights Commission that it was Associate Attorney General Thomas Perrelli, an Obama political appointee, who overruled a unanimous recommendation for prosecution by Adams and his associates.

        Documents obtained by Judicial Watch and a ruling by Judge Reggie B. Walton of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia in response to a suit brought by the group show that “political appointees within DOJ were conferring about the status and resolution of the New Black Panther Party case in the days preceding the DOJ’s dismissal of claims in that case.”

        Fast forward to Fast and Furious, the Obama administration’s program to “walk” guns across the border and into the hands of Mexican drug cartels in furtherance of its gun control agenda.

        “When did you first know about the program officially I believe called Fast and Furious? To the best of your knowledge, what date?” House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa asked Holder in sworn testimony on May 3, 2011. “I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks,” was Holder’s response.

        Holder lied: A July 2010 memo shows Michael Walther, head of the National Drug Intelligence Center, told Holder that straw buyers in Fast and Furious “are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to the Mexican drug trafficking cartels.”

        House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas, said other documents indicate Holder began receiving weekly briefings on the program from the National Drug Intelligence Center on or before that date.
        In an exchange with Sen. Pat Leahy on Nov. 8, 2011, Holder admitted his May 3 testimony was inaccurate when he said he knew about Fast and Furious for a “few weeks.” He later changed that to a “couple months.”

        But the memo from Walther referring to Fast and Furious in detail was sent directly to Holder on July 5, 2010 — not a “couple months” before he testified in May.

        No surprise then on May 15, 2013, before the House Judiciary Committee, Holder lied when he said: “In regard to potential prosecution of the press for the disclosure of material, this is not something I’ve been involved in, heard of, or would think would be wise policy.”

        He personally signed off on James Rosen’s warrant. Holder’s defenders say the statement is technically correct because he never meant to prosecute Rosen, only to find the leaker. If so, then he lied to a federal judge.

        Similarly, Holder’s testimony to the House Judiciary Committee that he had recused himself from the Associated Press leak investigation that led to the blanket seizure of call records is not backed up by a formal recusal letter, which is required under such circumstances.

        So we have at least four counts of lying to Congress by the chief law enforcement officer of the United States.
        When did the lies begin? Looks like right after he took the oath of his office.

      • George Williams

        Here’s some dots for you silverman…http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/06/obamas_abrading_the_social_fabric.html
        Obama hates inspector generals because he’s imported so many thugs from Chicago that he knows that they’ll embarrass him.

        • plsilverman

          guess what? YOU are the dot-connector-Beck-lover. not me, pal. sorry to make your lower lip quiver. Obama “hates inspector generals”?..yeah that a real FACTUAL “dot”. :)

          • George Williams

            There’s only one reason why a president would refrain from filling IG positions and fires IGs who report wrongdoing in the Executive Branch. It’s because he doesn’t want them to get in the way of his illegal activities and thwart his agenda. Got an alternative explanation, silverman?

      • George Williams

        Keep believing, Silverman, but you’ll need a psych counselor when Obama falls, destroying your abject sycophancy.

        • plsilverman

          sycophancy? are you an expert in that area? who are your mentors? John Birch? Glenn Beck? :)
          yeah, Obama, big failure…winning two Presidential elections. *(the 2nd one despite the hard right’s voter suppression program).
          oh, by way..you wanna discuss any issues that this vaunted site posts for us? or just go ad hominem? (look that word up..as you did for sycophant).

          • George Williams

            We couldn’t suppress this Democrat’s propensity to vote multiple times, could we?
            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/11/cincinnati-poll-worker-charged-with-voting-half-dozen-times-in-november/

            Voter suppression, by requiring people actually prove who they say they are before they enter the voting booth? True the Vote found only one case of that during the last election. No, what we have here is Obama’s community activists and their masters, the Democratic Party, attempting to destroy the integrity of the vote by assuring that photo voter ID is suppressed. If requiring an ID for voting is suppression, then requiring one for proving drinking age is the imposition of prohibition, and the need for ID to fly on a plane is travel discrimination. True the Vote’s survey…http://www.truethevote.org/news/true-the-vote-report-proves-widespread-claims-of-voter-suppression-false
            Obama and his cronies are well versed in resurrecting the dead on election day, through their experiences as part of the corrupt Daley Democratic machine of Chicago. It must be hard for you to defecate, Silverman, with Obama’s hand up your butt 24/7, as he manipulates your flapping lips, and makes the sounds of the party line come from your throat. At least you don’t have to spend any energy on independent thought.

  • FloridaJim

    This administration will go down in history as the most corrupt ever! Obama has lied every day of his administration and it is apparent he also hires liars: Napolitano, Hillary, Rice, Nuland, Clapper, Brennan, Holder, Carney, MacDonald,Douglas Shulman, and so many others that lying must be taught at the White House. In Chicago we knew Obama was sleazy and now the country and the world also knows it, sadly.

  • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

    If only we could trust Congress; they have more charges hanging over them than nearly all the citizens of USA

  • Cecilio Mendez

    As an recovering Roller Derby addict, I must denounce your bias. There is something else to compare the present administration with. Albeit it must be said: “Good luck finding it!” And, since the NSA will be reading this, let me add this: I have never witnessed so many bold-faced, hypocritical, compulsive, bunch of liars, packed-up in one single group, as the ones “administering” our government right now!

    • TheOriginalDonald

      and KNOWING 99.44% of derby skaters are liberal I have to ask-what is more offensive, Bernard saying derby is fake, or him disparaging the Obama Administration?

      • plsilverman

        roller derby is a great sport…the participants are great athletes. if any of it is “fake”, maybe it’s the handiwork of some localized fringe opportunist promoters. even with professional wrestling….read the Fred Blasie book: all the great wrestlers engaged in “real” matches along with, shall we say, “pre-arranged” matches.
        it’s a shame..women find a good money-making niche and we get the “elites” mocking them.
        roller derby is most definitely, and proudly, blue collar..Bernie is in that new group of supposed Conservatives who love that the GOP very carefully planned a War on the Middle Class (aka Impeach Obama as soon as possible and use high unemployment of construction and production, as material). Blue collar to Berbnie and Bill and Sean and Rush and Ann Coulter, is the 47%, the takers with no ambition. (Except when they sign up to fight the GOP-manufactured Wars).

        • TheOriginalDonald

          I personally believe Bernie is wrong.

          Given the fact that NDAs are routinely used at WFTDA meetings, the fact that 99.44% of skaters are liberal, AND that the fact that WFTDA doesn’t give a hoot about the average joe in the stands…and I’d say The Powers That Be in Derby ARE EXACTLY LIKE THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION!

        • George Williams

          Roller Derby is not a sport, but a license for people on wheels to commit assault and battery with impunity.

          • plsilverman

            whta can I tell ya? thought it was some new weird issue. ok. why would an individual call someone with a “handicap”, forced to use an assistive device, a “Roller Derby” person, in this instance? maybe that physically compromised person is on heavy medication that sometimes results in erratic behavior.

    • plsilverman

      can you any prove “lies” re. the “scandals” of late?

      • George Williams

        No proof, yet, but your side is fighting tooth and nail for immediate closure of every one of the “scandals”, without further investigation. That should sound a warning bell to any objective observer.

        • plsilverman

          “No proof”…..good. now we can have a real conversation.

          • George Williams

            No, we don’t. I’ve wasted too much already listening to your silly crap. Get lost.

          • plsilverman

            “silly crap”? “get lost”? now your presumptive mentor Bill Buckley looks down and frowns. so you refused to go point by point, just decided to get all worked up because someone came onto the site as a free thinker. I will not affirm the Obama hate Machine. I did not hate Bush II or Reagan – recognized their acheivements (well, Reagan’s). I think Nixon is in the top 5 of Presidents. But…that ain’t good enuff fer ya. Renew your O’Reilly premium membership and buy John Birch newsletters from 1962 on e-bay!

  • ronB

    Nothing to worry about .. Well, maybe there’s the thing about our liberties and freedoms being threatened .. And maybe the value of the dollar going south .. Our credibility around the world is right around that of Belize .. Sorry Belize .. Other than that, and at least another 50 things, I could come up with quite easily, there’s not much to be concerned about .. Thank God, anyway

  • Bob Hadley

    My reply disappeared (again). Maybe it’ll show up sometime. I didn’t call anyone names, use any profanities or throw any elbows (well, maybe one or two pulled blows). Nothing compared to other posts I seen here.

  • Bob Hadley

    If Rep. Cummings is truthful, there may well be such headlines. And, if so, Rep. Issa and company would richly deserve it.

    Yesterday Gretta interviewed a Rep. Congressman (whose name I forget). She asked him about the allegation that Rep, Issa’s selective release of testimony transcripts is self-serving and has omitted the testimony of the manager who oversaw the IRS pursuit of Tea Parties etc. and that he testified that he’s a conservative Republican and that he had no reason to believe the so-called scandal went beyond his branch.

    The Congressman gave a half-hearted and general denial. Then Gretta asked him why they didn’t just release transcripts of all testimony so we could draw our own conclusions. At this point he just muttered that that would come out eventually. He didn’t have an answer as to why they wouldn’t be redacted to protect the innocent and put out immediately. (And don’t tell me that it takes time. If they wanted to, they’d have them out in a day or two.) His body language was almost cowering.

    Kudos to Gretta for this interview. But that’s almost all I’ve seen on FNC regarding this matter. The only other times I ‘ve seen it mentioned on FNC, it was mentioned as a brief afterthought. Admittedly, I may have missed all the other times this matter has been given serious attention on FNC.

    Then on Benghazi, s far as I can tell, there has been scant mention of the allegation that Ambassador Stevens twice declined beefed up security in the month leading up to the massacre. Is that true? If so, what significance does that have?

    I’ve also haven’t heard serious attention to the report that there were an unusually high number of CIA agents at the compound in Benghazi immediately before the massacre. Does that have anything to do with the cover-up and the CIA’s involvement in that affair?

    These are all examples of various reports I’ve heard BURIED in all the coverage. It’s not at all unusual for the pertinent facts to be buried beneath all the sensation. I could go on all day about how sensational news coverage on all “news” stations buried the important facts.

    Before you get your knickers in a twist again, I’m not saying these controversies should not be covered and investigated. Quite the contrary, I think we should have all the facts aired – except to the degree that national security is at issue.
    In the end, if the pertinent facts incriminate Pres. Obama or (to FNC’s and the Rep.’s glee) Hillary Clinton, then so be it. They should get what hey deserve – no more and no less.

  • mthammer

    Bernie listened to you the other night on Hannity , you had nothing but praise for Diane sawyer on what a great journalist she was , why has she changed so much with her integrity in the last 4 years. She has to have some pull at ABC , or doesnt she, that is the question. You would think that Scott pelley and Brian Williams would also have a say in what gets put on the nightly news or do they. I also believe that these people know well enough who you are and respect your opinion as a journalist , plus analyst on whats going on in the press and their complete allegiance to Obama. Ther is nothing that they will ever show on their program that speaks about the truth on whats going on with all these scandals. Would it be to presumptious of me to think that they would not even want to get your outlook on what is happening , or your opinion on current events. Is their no honsty in the press anymore, Carney for example is a joke in his responses to the press. It would be great if all of the press would walk out on him , when he starts the double talk or his favorite answer to important questions , I cant talk about theat issue its under investigation. If you know Diane Sawyer personally , why dont you ask her why she is not telling the American people the news , not stupid fill in stories , tomask this Fraudulent Obama Administration. You old buddy from the 60 minute error when news people went after government and their blatant disregard for the Constitution . Come on Bernie talk to these people find out the reason why they are hiding behind Obama ‘s Lies and deceit.

    • plsilverman

      prove one single Obama “lie”. I know “lies” are a big word with the RNC workshop – apparently a big part of gopac’s primordial handbook on talking points perfect for mindnumbuing repetition on hard Right media venues.

      tell ya what…I’m a left leaning centrist who has no idea what the “bigs” on ABC, CBS, or NBC say about anything. Doyou know anyone who sets his/her alarm clock to John McLaughlin or Gregory on Meet the Press?

      I say respectfully, you are mesmerized by Bernie and his god buddy Bill, two exponents of precisely that MSM (which ended since the internet, yes) that rejected them. So they spend their lives railing againts the newer, younger, hipper, funnier young dudes and babes who made them look tired.

      MSNBC? yeah, those horrible socialists. guess what? nite and nite, and actually for the last 2 years or so, they have expressed disappointment with the Obama adm. and have laid out all the facts that Fox has, related to the AP, IRS, drone, and other issues. they have GOP guests on who are treated with respect. unlike the O’Reilly show where O’Reilly lets out primal screams at Joe Klien and Barney Frank.

      “fraudulent”? ok..give us proof of fraud. please don’t tell me Obama was not born here or that he stole somebody’s soc. sec. card. give me the kind of “fraud” you’d love to see included in an impeachment case. show us “blatant disregard” for the Constitution. All you can possibly come up with is that recess appointments were made after-hours, apparently. not enuff 4 impeachment.

      the press ain’t gonna walk out on him…esp. Foxnews, who was given a FRONT ROW seats at his press conferences.
      so keep on dream’…keep on wishing for impeachment. but you need to base your case on something that actually happened. not something from the fertile imaginations of Rupert Murdoch or Glenn Beck or Michelle Bachman (as she packs up the Saturn for an extended vacation at Boca Vista).

      • George Williams

        Here’s one. Obama went to the UN and after knowing full well that the Benghazi incident wasn’t motivated by a movie, told the world that it was. Here’s another. Obama told everyone that if you like your doctor, you’ll be able to keep him under Obamacare. There are so many lies that you Obamazombie cultists fail to recognize that I take most of you for Bob Jones Kool Aide drinkers. And anyone who actually believes that the IRS scandal isn’t politically motivated would need an actual confession by this thug in the White House to believe it. You lefties could connect the dots in a heartbeat if this man’s name was George Bush. Lastly, why has Obama kept the survivors of Benghazi under wraps, preventing them from testifying before Congress? Give me a rational explanation for why the dead four haven’t been given justice in the light of day? Pathetic you are!

        • legal eagle

          Maybe one day you’ll stop repeating Fox News talking points and start thinking for yourself….Amazing that people take Fox News’ propaganda seriously…

          • plsilverman

            they ARE fair & balanced, though. O’Reilly says that the IRS leader visited 1600 157 times. It was eleven, but who’s counting? they run an edited video of Mrs. Sherrod & Bill accepts it. (although he DOES go on Leno to sort of explain himself).

          • legal eagle

            O’Reilly is one of the ringmasters in the Fox News circus…No one of any intellect takes him seriously so I would suggest that instead of Fox News viewers watch WWE wrestling. Both are equally realistic…LOL

          • George Williams

            Just what intellectual credentials do you have that give you knowledge superior to those who watch Fox News. I suggest that you never watch Fox News, and depend upon Obama sock puppets to assure you that they have nothing worthy to say. And your side has the ridiculous Cheryl Madcow, Chris Matthews and Larry O’Donnell. I guess that it makes you feels superior that you watch shows that most people eschew for Fox offerings. Your smug superiority stems from your delusional crass elitism, the belief that you are leaders in an intellectual horse race. Your ego is built on the backs of believing others to stupid when they have opposite opinions and watch Fox. You and your buddy, plsilverman are pathetic. I’ve heard nothing but cheap one liners and statements of mutual supporter between you in your newly founded mutual admiration society.

          • legal eagle

            I watch O’Reilly, Hannity and Greta whenever I can. I don’t hire the talent on cable news shows so “I” don’t have any stake in the cable news horserace.
            Unlike Fox News personalities I do know that Matthews and O’Donnell did work in the “trenches” of government and therefore have experience in the system.
            If you’d like to call me names because it makes you feel better be my guest. As an attorney, who grew up in the chaos of New York City I have very thick skin.
            The bulk of Fox News viewers are seniors who live in Red States. I don’t feel superior to anyone but I am better educated than most and better informed than most.
            There is an old saying in the legal business which says “If you can’t fill them with facts, baffle them with B.S.”
            If you feel a need to baffle people and call me names be my guest.

          • George Williams

            I do not believe that you are an attorney. Who employs you? You have shown too much ignorance of the world to be an attorney. Perhaps you’re some kind of legal secretary, but not an attorney.

          • legal eagle

            And I care what you believe because? I employ myself and my partners. I’m called a lot of things by lawyers and various family members but the term ignorant hasn’t come up for at lease the past 40 years…LOL

          • George Williams

            Get used to it, because the scandals that are yet to come will put the nail in the coffin of Obama’s legacy. You are hardly alone in your ignorance. The fact that you’ve managed to insulate your mind from the truth is a willful ignorance that has corrupted the nation. Have they called you senile yet? It may be worth pondering your sanity.

          • legal eagle

            You seem like an interesting and nice guy but your continued name calling is not my cup of tea…I’m not sure what you are so bitter and hateful about and I hope you treat your friends and family with greater respect than you have exhibited here.
            If you want to get past the name calling and the insults I’d be glad to chat with you further.

          • George Williams

            I’ve turned off the personal attack switch.

          • legal eagle

            I appreciate that…..

          • George Williams

            You must be in your 60’s, as am I, but I cannot understand your support for Obama. Do you listen to Mark Levin, or have read any of his books? Have you ever visited P.A. Madison’s web site, The Federalist Blog http://www.federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined/ ? Ever read the American Thinker, http://www.americanthinker.com/ ? How about the Weekly Standard, http://www.weeklystandard.com/ or The American Spectator, http://spectator.org/ ? I recommend them. Perhaps they will broaden your perspective a bit. Judging by the time frame that you visit the web, I surmise that you live in California, or perhaps Hawaii. California is full of progressive Democrats who practice group think, so my final answer is California. Am I right (about California)?

          • legal eagle

            I do live in California and I have no idea what group think means? Do you think we sit in groups to discuss politics, or that I only play golf with Democrats? LOL

          • George Williams

            http://psychology.about.com/od/gindex/g/groupthink.htm
            Groupthink is a term first used in 1972 by social psychologist Irving L. Janis that refers to a psychological phenomenon in which people strive for consensus within a group. In many cases, people will set aside their own personal beliefs or adopt the opinion of the rest of the group. People who are opposed to the decisions or overriding opinion of the group as a whole frequently remain quiet, preferring to keeping the peace rather than disrupt the uniformity of the crowd.

          • legal eagle

            I am aware of the term but it’s a behavioral theory which we are all part of at times. We all stand during the national anthem for that reason..
            I’m not a Republican because I am for progress and change not fear, longing for the past and never ending wars..

          • George Williams

            Why do you equate Republicanism as opposition to progress. And just what does progress mean to you? Let’s find out just how far apart we are. Fear is a healthy response when there is justification for it, just as pain is useful to the body when it forces humans to recoil from its cause. Fear of a National Debt is useful, as it provokes changes in fiscal behavior that prevents a nation from crossing the line from solvency to perpetual indebtedness to a creditor nation. The Democrats are gambling that their policies of indebtedness will ultimately be mitigated by future growth that will permit it to be paid down. However, their taxing policies remove capital from the economy, actions that tend to discourage growth. What if their gamble doesn’t pay off, and the people of this country wind up with tax rates of 50 percent or more. What if the Republicans are correct in their prediction that such policies may result in most revenue going to pay down the debt and entitlements. Are you willing to continue your progressive approach if the outcome is as the Republicans predict? Is this nation so bad off now that it’s worth an incremental increase in improvement to risk fiscal disaster?

          • legal eagle

            Progress equals change. In my experience, as people get older they become more resistant to change and favor the status quo.
            Public policy in a democracy has to deal with the present more than the future. The least important immediate problem is debt although its certainly a long term problem. U.S, Debt is being exacerbated by the US population getting older and a significant decrease, over the past thirty years, in corporate tax receipts. The recent revelations regarding Apple reveal it’s effective tax rate to be 8%.
            For individuals its the effective tax rate not the marginal rates that matter. Effective rates in the U.S for people who earn more than $250K are approximately 20% depending on what state you live in.
            As to the transfer of wealth argument the statistics show this to be empty rhetoric. The percentage of wealth in the US for upper 5% is higher than at any time since the Gilded Age of the 1920’s……
            Do you really live in Korea?

          • George Williams

            You’re delusional. Obama has the support of people who have no worldly experience. Young people often repeat the mistakes of all the young people who have come before them. In economics there are no new substitutions for the prudent practices of the past, yet youth are always tempted to follow those who cannot accept the limitations of the economics of human nature as described by Adam Smith. The Russians and Chinese attempted to impose their economic system on their citizens, with predictable failures and to the misery of their citizens. The Democrats economic music is just a variation on the communist theme and though it be change, it’s not change we can believe in without misery of our own.
            Yes, I live in Pyeongtaek, Korea, a medium sized city south of Seoul. I’m in the third year of my tour.

          • George Williams

            Do you support continuing Social Security as it stands now? If so, why? The true reason that the Democrats support SS is because they’ve successfully subjected it to demagoguery as a club against Republicans during election years. If you are for progress you should support its reform and view it as an anachronism of times long past. SS is not only government paternalism at its worst, but a staggering drain on capital the could be used to promote economic growth and wealth for each account holder, unlike the pyramid scheme that politicians use as a football to get re-elected.

          • legal eagle

            What is the problem with Social Security? Republicans have been moaning about SS since it was enacted under FDR. There is no social security deficit and a fix is rather simple.

          • George Williams

            There are many things wrong with Social Security, but let me ask you this. If you were just starting out in life, and were given the choice of investing your retirement in Social Security or the private sector, which would you do? Remember, the federal government has a demonstrated record of fiscal responsibility, having abused the trust fund. This fund will always be under the control of men who use the Treasury for political gain, to buy votes by bestowing benefits. It’s the nature of the beast. This is especially true of the so called progressives. Progress is never free and unless they are willing to declare a limit on progress, is never ending. Progressives will never legislate themselves into oblivion. The trust fund will always be subject to their predations.

          • legal eagle

            You’re talking theory not fact. Social Security is solvent because the trust fund can only invest in no risk investments. If SS was privatized you could invest , theoretically , in many different investments, which ultimately means you could lose most or al of your trust fund. If you invested in the stock market you’d agree that privatization is a bad idea…
            The rest of what your saying is theory not fact. A limit on progress? Is that what you would’ve told Einstein, Salk, Steve Jobs or Bill Gates?
            The term progressive is a cliché. There are people who embrace change and others who are scared stiff of any change. Bob Dylan wrote 50 years ago that “These Times They Are A Changing”…Trying new things and embracing new ideas is why America is the most entrepreneurial country in the world…

          • George Williams

            Life is full of risks but the government is impotent to act as nanny to protect us from all of them. I believe in freedom, the freedom to have the opportunity to succeed and the freedom to make my own mistakes. I do not cede these rights to others. I’ve invested in mutual funds (the stock market) for decades and have never lost so much as to be fearful of my future. I do not agree with your approach to life.

          • legal eagle

            I read a lot of different things but I do not read any political magazines…I grew up in New York and live in California…I don’t know many people in either state, under 75, who are Republicans…LOL

          • George Williams

            If maturity comes with age, it is likely that a great many of Obama’s supporters are immature, being ignorant of politics, vote buying, and economics that acts to the long term welfare of the nation. I live in Korea, where the elderly are respected for their wisdom that comes from life experiences. As you’ve stated, older people are attracted to the Republican Party. The wisest of the nation see eye to eye with those who would conserve the principles that have made this nation great, while the younger folk are attracted to those who promise them abandonment of such principles in favor of the tried and failed socialism and communism that was rejected by their elders as unsustainable and unworkable. Their arguments are supported by the fall of the Soviet Union. The Democrats offer a variation on past failures; repeating the same mistakes of the past while expecting different results. Democrats are into vote buying through the use the transfer of wealth from one part of society to another. This is why they continue to fight for a limitless National Debt. Though the nation be bankrupt, they cannot accept the idea that their currency, the establishment of benefits to buy their constituency’s loyalty, was at an end when the fiscal crisis began at the end of Bush’s presidency., hence their insane propensity to fight any effort to commit to fiscal responsibility.

          • dave davies

            Your posts are just silly. His show doesn’t have the top rating because of questionable content. It has been on top for years because he is trusted to speak the truth. If he was consistently wrong, the ratings would suffer. If you and silverman had your own show……Well forget that.

          • dave davies

            Are you the White House doorman, Phil? How do you know the exact amount of times the IRS boss went there? I don’t know how O’Reilly knows it was 157, but I would judge his sources better than yours. Perhaps your heard Jay Carney say it was eleven.

          • plsilverman

            Ok, which doorman (today it’s doorperson) did YOU pay off to get the “157”?

          • dave davies

            I don’t pay off anyone, I don’t spin, I don’t lie. When I am wrong, I admit it. I fear big government, and corrupt people who will lie, cheat, and steal to get their way. Democrats or Republicans. Some of you will make up facts and numbers in these posts, in hopes we won’t know the truth. Bush said he never sold his soul in his terms in office. I believe him. That doesn’t mean he didn’t make mistakes. We all are subject to errors, but to lie and mislead on purpose is an Obama trait.

          • plsilverman

            I hope I didn’t mean you LITERALLY pay off someone. :) Shucks. But…give us a stonehard, ironclad fact that Obama has lied (according to Webster or American Heritage)…you say “trait”…ha!…that’s subjective. give us something we can belt into the bleachers. Ok?

          • dave davies

            Do you have short term memory loss. We give you lies enough to fill a small book, and that is just what we know. Who knows what has been done and undiscovered. I won’t list anything since you will forget them tomorrow.

          • plsilverman

            your post is indecipherable.

          • dave davies

            Put on your glasses, Phil. Every person posting here knows exactly what I wrote. How old are you anyway? Blind with short term memory. ARE YOU INCONTINENT TOO?

          • plsilverman

            not referring to the clarity of the font but to the clarity of the statements. I’m surprised a classy dude like you mocks age and infirmity. It must have been a rare irrational interlude for you.

          • dave davies

            Yes, I was making fun of you, but I do believe everyone, including you, can easily read and understand that we have given many examples of departures from the truth in this administration. I can mock the realities of age, since I am getting there, and have family that is there. If you are trying to make me feel guilty for the departure, you will have to try much harder.

          • plsilverman

            yeah, O’Reilly is a terrific source: he said Obama’s trip to India was a billion $$$ a day; IRS leader visited 157 times; he ran the Breitbart edited video which was so bad that Coulter and Ingraham decried it; should I go on with that very long list?

          • George Williams

            Maybe someday you’ll defecate Obama’s hand from up your ass, sock puppet.

          • George Williams

            One of the most intelligent pundits on Fox is Charles Krauthammer. He has no axe to grind, yet he has been one of Obama’s greatest critics. And who would you assert to be his counterpart on Obama’s side. Name one honest Democrat that will actually come out an speak for Obama. If find the pundits on Fox honest and contrite when they have to admit their error, contrary to the trash counterparts O’Donnell, Madcow and Matthews. Your side had Olbermann until his wackiness was finally recognized as too much for MSNBC. Name one ABC, NBC, CNN or CBS pundit that you’d like us to take seriously as honest brokers between the viewer and Obama. They don’t exist, as they’re all in the tank for Obama. Are you employed, Mr. Legal Eagle? I suspect that you are not, by the amount of time on your hands that you are spending most of it unproductively trolling through conservative blogs. You’re probably in one of those oversubscribed professions that Nancy Pelosi refers to when praising Obamacare. Her baby allows you to be what you want to be without consideration for earning a living.

          • legal eagle

            Dr. Krauthammer has no axe to grind? He has been a conservative pundit for the past 30 years, writes an opinion column for the Wash Post and has written several right wing books. I respect Charlie. even though he is a neocon warmonger but he’s hardly unbiased.
            Do you think Fox News pays him a reported $500k per year to not have a right wing bias?

        • plsilverman

          ooh! “Kool Aid”! very, very original! Do you have proof Obama KNEW that the youtube video was never a factor? Re. AFCA….we can keep our healthcare…I’m keeping mine. you wanna go back to denying cancer care for mercenary reasons? U know anyone who is going to have to find new coverage unless if they start a new job… got any details? Connect Bush II dots?..all that we have to connect is he slept thru warnings of 9-11 then gave us the Patriot Act, then let Cheney play commander in chief and was losing 7-800k jobs per. month and in one 6 month period lost 4,000,000. Re. Benghazi, did you expect the President to direct the defensve actions from his desk? The GOP led the charge to cut security staff PLUS the CIA was on the scene within 25 minutes. Go back to 2001 for some perspective on the danger in that region of the world. jay Carney backtracking?..give me 2-3 examples. (Shucks, I never heard of a Press Secretary trying giving the adm. view and then reporting adjustments based upon new info. But go ahead..we are eager to learn).

          • George Williams

            I don’t need to know. The Republicans have enough circumstantial evidence to destroy Obama and that’s all I care about. I remember all the unfounded accusations and lies about Romney during the recent election. The fact that your side had no proof didn’t prevent you from smearing him. Turnabout is fair play. Unlike your dots on Romney, there are enough dots to connect to make Obama look like the most corrupt president ever, and that’s all that counts.

            As to the security lapses, a State Department employee testified that the cuts were not an issue. Even if they were, the choice is to leave the Benghazi employees in the dire jeopardy that was evident to all except the State Department political employees in charge, or to prudently abandon the embassy, as was the choice of the Red Cross and legations from other countries. Those people didn’t act stupidly, as did the idiots under Hillary Clinton. No, money wasn’t a problem, criminal negligence on the part of Obama’s Secretary of State was. She was solely responsible for the deaths of the ambassador and others. Any failures of his administration are never his, but always someone else’s failings.

            The pattern is that he takes the credit for his successes and credits others for his failures. No other president of this country has every been such a coward in this way. And just what did Obama do the night that Americans were dying in Benghazi? He was sleeping like a baby, unconcerned for anything but his re-election. That’s a fact. If Reid can make his assertions out of whole cloth and gets away with it, anyone can. We know how this man works. His minions are clever screening him from being directly involved in his crimes. If we can’t connect him directly, we’ll destroy him in the manner that he destroyed Romney.

          • legal eagle

            What was Bush doing before 9/11….Ignoring CIA briefings in Crawford…What was Bush doing during the 9/11 attacks? Reading to children and contemplating what he would come up with as an excuse for his screwup….Condi Rice testified that Bush received a CIA briefing in August which stated that Bin Laden was readying an attack. During her Congressional testimony Condi said that she read the document but it didn’t say exactly what day so she had no fault.
            Did you ever ask why Bush and Cheney refused to testify, under oath, to the 9/11 Commission?
            Wake up George and read the facts..

          • dave davies

            There is no reason to try and make Bush like Obama. Believe me, if there was some sleeping at the switch by Bush, the liberal press would have been all over him. Your attempts to tar him are laughable. His numbers were never higher than after 9/11. You are throwing mud on the wall in the hope that something sticks. Are you one of those public defenders?

          • legal eagle

            I deal in facts, you deal in Fox News talking points which do not allow for the facts…

          • dave davies

            Oh, Please! Maybe you don’t like the conclusions reached, but people watch Fox because there is factual reporting. When people realize they are being lied to, they stop watching. O’Reilly is sometimes pompous, and I refuse to buy the junk he hawks to get his tax exemption, but he reports the news fairly, gives credit when it is due even to liberals, and I have heard him admit to being wrong on a point, but not often. The liberal media, and especially this administration are very poor liars. Are we to believe the President knows nothing about Bengazi, the IRS problems, the NSA snooping, the phone taps on news reporting? Do the heads of all of these agencies really know nothing of who heads up their programs internally? Does the head of NSA really not know the names of his top people in key positions? These people are hiding huge stuff, for lack of a better word, and they are stonewalling. Politics has always been dirty business, but we have sunk to new lows here.

          • legal eagle

            People watch Fox because they like to live in a bubble of right wing bitterness and victimization…Older people like Fox because Roger Ailes understands that misery loves company and ignorance is bliss..
            When you have proof of your allegations let us know..
            otherwise keep buying Fox’s B.S….

          • dave davies

            The truth is always a bitter pill for people who are wrong. You will fight till your last breath proclaiming that Obama has never lied, and Fox always lies. The emperor has no clothes, but keep ignoring the obvious. I’m done here

          • legal eagle

            I never said that Obama never lied….is this kindergarten or politics?…Why should I care if Obama, or any other President or politician tells an occasional lie? Depends what the lie is about……You are so bitter that Obama won twice the right needs to attempt to degrade him by yelling liar liar…What idiocy…At least the morons on Fox get paid for their clown act…What your excuse?

          • George Williams

            As an attorney, your references to Bush and Chaney are not germane to the matter at hand, the culpability of the Obama administration in the ongoing scandals. You can’t defend Obama by going more than 8 years and pointing to another time, place and event. You take us for fools by using the “Look, squirrel!” ploy. I see this all the time with Obama sycophants. They would have us ignore Obama and follow the red herring instead.

          • legal eagle

            The references to Bush and Cheney are being made to point out the hypocrisy of many on the right. The supported the Patriot Act when Bush was in office and now they are against data gathering…I can defend Obama whatever way I want. That’s what attorneys do. No one likes hypocrisy but Fox News counts on its viewers to have little memory of the past…

          • George Williams

            John Smith is on trial for the crime of bank robbery. Bill Doe is guilty of bank robbery. John’s lawyer points to Bill Doe and says, “Well, Bill Doe was found guilty of bank robber, so what if he stole a few bucks.” You have all kinds of non sequiturs and irrelevancies in your arguments that would make you look like a fool in front of a debating society, never mind in a court of law. Because Bush could be a hypocrite at times, Obama, a man who made it one of the central themes of his political campaign that he would be light years different from his predecessors in the openness of his administration, shouldn’t be called to account for his discrediting hypocrisies. You and your nutty friends in California should secede from the Union, as you do not think as rationally as the rest of us.

            Yes, I’m a Constitutional scholar, like Barack Obama, and like Obama, I haven’t done any original work to produce a Juris Doctorate, have never argued before the SCOTUS, and will never show you my grades from law school. I will never show you may law school grades but I will find surrogates to tout my credentials though. I’m also a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize, though I’ve never done anything to warrant it, except to give great speeches of what I’ll do. And I will unabashedly accept it when it comes my way. And I expect all my sycophantic supporters to love me for all that. There will be millions who bow to my image and elect me president of the United State. Now, just what are your credentials to challenge that?

          • Wheels55

            Blaming the GOP does not make Obama any more of a leader. Leaders know, react and inform. Obamie doesn’t have any of that.

          • wally12

            It doesn’t free Obama from guilt when you say that the republicans prevented extra security in Benghazi via a budget restraint. That does not stand the test of the power of the president. The state department was asked for more security and the president knew it. The president choose to ignore the request. You must have forgotten that the president has executive power that he can use in any emergency. He did use these powers on more than one occasion and if you remember he did use this power to attack Libya with jets during the Libya fight to topple the dictator. This was done without approval of congress. He could easily have done the same for the ambassador in Benghazi.

          • plsilverman

            Enlighten us, the President is the Head of Personnel at those embassies? Did Obama send jets within 7 hours of the insurrection? no. We did get Gadaffi without one drop of American blood spilled.
            Benghazi was a somewhat predictable event in a violent region of the world…when security is cut back, disaster follows. For perspective, look what happened to the Marines in Beirut when Reagan was impulsive.
            Newcorp, ALEC, etc., are still fishing for one tiny guppie to use in an Obama impeachment case. Keep on fishin’, guys.

          • wally12

            What are you smoking? Obama is the commander in chief of the entire armed forces. He is informed of all attacks and has the power to respond. Get real! He didn’t respond, period. The head of personnel doesn’t have the power to respond to any thing other than to hire new employees and employee benefits etc. Number one Benghazi wasn’t a true embassy. It was a make shift facility. Why? I don’t know. Only Obama, Clinton and other selected people knew. Why was ambassador Stevens allowed to live in such a dangerous place? Why didn’t the US close and transfer the ambassador and his staff out after the British and Red cross left the area after previous attacks? Why hasn’t the staff that was attacked that night been available for questioning since that terrible night?

          • plsilverman

            ….continuing: I’m surprised a classy pundit like yourself writes “what are you smoking?” :)
            ok..Yes, the President is the Commander In Chief…but Benghazi is a STATE DEPARTMENT issue > the President cannot veto the reduction of funding for embassy/CIA site security. > He cannot direct military action from his desk, via a 50 inch HD TV. You want him to say, ok, this has gone on for 12 minutes…get me Tripoli on the phone…send in seven of those new recruits. Then what happens to Tripoli? with THEIR reduced staff, guess who *now* gets bombed, tragically?

          • legal eagle

            How do you know what Obama is informed or not informed of? Chris Stevens did not live in Benghazi. There is no embassy in Benghazi. Benghazi is a CIA outpost in Libya.
            No one knows why Stevens was even in Benghazi because it may have had to do with some covert CIA project in Libya. Do you think the US is going to give up info on its CIA activities?

          • George Williams

            No one has even told us that all the survivors are CIA operatives and no one has used that as a defense in refraining from making these people available to public interviews. And even if they are CIA operatives, the Congress is entitled to interview them in secrecy, yet Obama has refused to do so. As Obama has said about people who are secretive, just what does he have to hide?

          • legal eagle

            What law are you citing that says that Congress is entitled…do you really think a fool like Darrell Issa is capable of keeping a secret?

          • George Williams

            I know that that fool Obama isn’t. He just had to blab that it was Seal Team Six that took out Bin Laden. That was at least classified confidential, if not secret. That put the members of Seal Team Six in jeopardy of retaliation from Al Qaida, all so that Obama would have a positive narrative for his reelection. The Obama administration has a habit of putting innocent lives in jeopardy. All those automatic weapons Is AJ put in the hands of Mexican cartel thugs are now murdering innocent citizens in their country. Any decent president would have dumped Holder by now, but Obama never throws his close cronies under the bus, only “rogue” civil servants, used as scapegoats. The IRS “rogue’ civil servants will verify that. See the pattern here. I doubt it, as you are willfully blind to it. If there are fools in government, they are at the highest level of the Executive Branch, and those fools have been proven deadly.

          • legal eagle

            You are exhausting…..take a rest.. If I want to hear any more of this nonsense I’ll watch Hannity….When you tell me what law was broken by the IRS I’ll be happy to have a discussion… Every time I ask you a specific you come back with more nonsense..

          • George Williams

            Obama is Commander In Chief. He’s the only one in the Executive Branch of the government, with the exception of the Secretary of State with a warrant under the COTUS. He’s the employer of every federal civil servant and has responsibility for everything that goes on in the Executive Branch. He may delegate responsibility, but he’s ultimately responsible for the outcome of doing so.

          • legal eagle

            Guilt? What I don’t understand is why the life of Chris Stevens is more important than the soldiers who have died or been injured in Iraq and Afghanistan?

            Stevens death was unfortunate but so is the death of every American or non combatant in a war zone…

            Explain why Chris Stevens’ death was more important than Pat Tillman’s death? It was not but for those who hate Obama it gives then an excuse to whine…and we all know Republicans love to whine and play the victim card..

          • George Williams

            Christ Stevens life is not more important, but the fact is that our government is suppressing the truth. The People have the right to hear the truth about the facts surrounding what could have been preventable deaths. They have the right to know whether there president gave a damn about whether individuals under his command were dying in his service. Just because you don’t give a damn, Legal Eagle, doesn’t mean that those of us who do will give up on the truth because you feel that Obama is too sacred a cow to be touched by his scandalous behavior. Tillman died in a friendly fire incident. Stevens, et al, died because his country didn’t give a damn about saving them. That’s a big difference. If you consider it to be whining then that speaks to the nature of your character.

          • legal eagle

            Governments throughout history have suppressed the truth… You’re old enough to know that…All of a sudden you’re in shock? Tillman’s death was covered up by the Pentagon and the Bush White House in order to hide the grizzly details of the fiascos in Iraq and Afghanistan.
            I find your animosity towards Obama puzzling. Do you hate him because he’s a Dem, because he’s younger than you or because he represents a period of significant change in America…

          • George Williams

            No, the real shock is that there are still people like you who believe that they will change to accommodate your quest for progress.

          • legal eagle

            You mean me and the other 65 million who voted for Obama? What was the most open and honest government in history? When did Obama make a statement like that? You’re using a lot of cliché’s tonight…Usually means you have little in the way of facts…

          • legal eagle

            My party? When did I get an ownership stake in a political party? Let me check my stock account….LOL

          • George Williams

            You voted for Obama. You accepted his lies and millions like you have put our nation in jeopardy by doing so. You are responsible for the mess we are in.

          • dave davies

            You know, I hate our involvement in the middle east. It was one of those mistakes Bush made, in my opinion. We can’t afford these wars, but they have become a tar baby that we can’t let go of. In retrospect we should have spent the money on ironclad security, and let the people who we are fighting for, that still hate us, fend for themselves. We can’t afford to save the world like we did in WW2. All of that being said, Stevens death, and the others, is more important, not because of his importance, but because he was undefended, and should not have even been there. We staked him out like the goat used as prey to kill the lion, but no one was there to kill the lion.

          • legal eagle

            Did you really use the term “tar baby”? Do you have any idea how racist that saying is…You should be embarrassed….Adios…

          • dave davies

            Well, I was using the term as used in the Uncle Remus comics. It has no racial conotations, but speaks of grabbing something you can’t easily release. Of all I wrote, that is all you could glean? You are not too eagle-like, legal eagle. If it is a racial slur, my conscience is clear.

          • legal eagle

            I understand… It is a racial slur and Uncle Remus was a racial stereotype of that era….The US has been involved in the middle east since the 1920’s. We are not saving the world we are protecting our oil supply. Do you think the Iraq was about WMD’s? It was about oil…Israel acts as the US military force in the Middle East and the issue is not protecting the people it’s about protecting our strategic interests which mainly consists of oil…

          • dave davies

            Amazingly, I agree with you. It is all about the oil. I do think Bush was reacting on the intellegence given him about WMD’s, and tiring of Saddam thumbing his nose at our attempts to rein him in. I also feel there were WMD there, but we were so slow to react, they were shipped to Syria.

          • legal eagle

            How old are you? Wasn’t Uncle Remus a character in the 1940’s?

          • dave davies

            It was still in our papers back east in the 50’s

          • wally12

            You have to be kidding me. Ambassador Stevens is as important as any American. All Americans who are fighting for this country are important. Stevens death wasn’t unfortunate. It was tragic and could have been prevented. However, Obama and his State department had a different agenda. They chose not to provide additional security. Also when the S–t hit the fan, they chose not to attempt any defense for the embassy. The army has a motto of never leaving a comrade to die without attempting to assist and save even one man. That is why they and we are called Americans. We value all life and should do every thing we can to save lives rather than letting them to fend for themselves or to die without assistance.

          • legal eagle

            Chris Stevens was “fighting”? With whom? If the military leaves no one behind why are there POW’s and MIA’s in war…Stop watching war movies…Chris Stevens was not military…

          • wally12

            You just don’t get it do you? Who said he was fighting? You don’t have to be fighting to be in a war zone and in danger. Stevens was in danger and the administration knew it.

          • George Williams

            Ever hear of the right of self defense? I know that you people in California would rather run like rabbits than defend yourselves, but others might just arm themselves and put up a fight.

          • legal eagle

            The President sets the security budget for the State Department? Where did you come up with that nonsense?
            Benghazi is not an embassy it’s a CIA post…Do you think the CIA is going to tell what Stevens was doing there?

          • George Williams

            “did you expect the President to direct the defensve actions from his desk? ”

            He seemed to find the time to follow the action surrounding Bin Laden, however his attention span waned as men he was responsible for came under attack. Of course the political value of the former was enormous, while that of the latter was apparently valueless, having little impact on his future election. And as it turned out, he just had to be ready for the all important fund raiser, one of a hundred or so. scheduled to fill Democratic coffers. Money is the life’s blood of politics and the hack politician. Of course it would require prima facie evidence, eyewitnesses, people who worked for the president, people whose jobs would be in jeopardy, to provide sufficient information to satisfy a sleuth like silverman. Silence from this president has left us will little left to do but connect the dots.

      • Drew Page

        Not that you will accept any of the following examples of Obama lies, but here are a few for you to mull over:

        * “I will post all proposed legislation on the internet for three days before singing it into law.”

        * “We will conduct a debate on health care reform, with doctors, hospital administrators, representatives from the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries and bipartisan members of Congress at a round table discussion, all of which will be televised on C-SPAN.”

        * “This Stimulus spending bill will be used to repair our infrastructure and put thousands to work at “shovel ready” jobs”.

        * I will reduce the national debt by 50% by the end of my first term.”

        * I will close the Guantanamo detention facility by the end of my first term in office.”

        * We did everything we could to help those under attack at Benghazi.”

        * I found about the IRS targeting in the newspapers when everyone else did.”
        Now, be a good Obama stooge and come up with excuses for each of the above. Or better still, deny all of the above and blame everything on bush.

        • Wheels55

          All big whoppers for sure

          • plsilverman

            for the consumption of dedicated followers of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck. yeah, go to court: :”Judge, look at these ‘whoppers’ “. He would treat them the way 30 judges treated Orly Taitz’ “case” against Obama.

        • plsilverman

          “blame everything on Bush”! that great ol’ line…..I only blame him for sleeping thru the 9-11 official warnings, leaving 11+ trillion dollar debt, 2 unfunded wars (one manufactured); unfunded pharma.; unfunded tax relief for multi-0millionaires adding about 3 trillion to the debt; attempting to get the United Arab emirates to control our borders; letting Halliburton Dick play Commander
          in Chief; letting Dick Halliburton run his own energy commission; losing 7-800k jobs per. mo. at one point and losing 4 million in a six month period. Your’re right, though: let’s blame all that on OBAMA!>>>
          moving along: Obama got as much thru as technically possible on C-span – I watched a lot of that – not a lie….just expressing what he envisioned…ok, he shoulda researched that better..BUT he nelistede help from Romnneycare experts, 8 people who helped write AFCA which was also based upon the REPUBLICAN alternative of 1993. Aw, U knew that, guy! “We did everything we could” at Benghazi…ok…where’s the “lie”? since very few facts have come out; at this point we just have Rupert Murdochs’ wish-list; .reduce Nat’l debt?….ok , maybe a promise not realized BECAUSE of the biggest Obstruction movement in our country’s history; “shovel ready”? that was quite intentionally subverted by the 01-20-09 GOP declaration of war on blue collar & the encouraging of returning stimulus $$$$ and declining on necessary infrastructure work.

        • John Daly

          Haven’t read ownage this brutal in some time, Drew. Well done.

      • Jeff Webb

        I’ve said this to you at least twice: Obama either lied for weeks when he claimed protest over the video was to blame for Benghazi, or when he told Governor Romney he blamed it on terrorism early on. You gonna duck the question again, or demand me to name “one lie” again?

        • John Daly

          Jeff, Phil does this all the time. He asks for an example… you give him one… then two days later, he repeats the question. That’s how the comment count on columns end up in triple digits.

          • plsilverman

            thanks 4 the 3rd party sarcasm. You should be ashamed of yourself (as an editorialist, courtesy of Bernie) to go ad hominem on a poster.

          • plsilverman

            I’m always given NON-facts, just biased supposition. I’m actually wiling to learn…I actually would enjoy being corrected on certain points…I’m easy.

          • George Williams

            Your are like the kid that is given a connect the dots book and can’t figure out that it isn’t just about dots.

          • plsilverman

            got any illustrative examples to help us understand you?

          • George Williams

            There’s so much circumstantial evidence on the incompetency and corruption of this president that only you would continue to defend him. If there was as much evidence against the Bush presidency, you wouldn’t be spending so much time defending him, but in a chorus calling for his impeachment. I pity you.

          • plsilverman

            there’s no real evidence of corruption with Bush II: just allowing his VP to play commander in chief & run his own energy commission; start two unfunded wars because he had no choice after he and his pal slept thru the official 08-06-01 warning; unfunded pharma.; unfunded tax relief for multi-millionaires adding about 3 trillion to the debt; trying to get the United Arab Emerites to rule our ports; privatizing the I.T. dept. of NSA; losing 4 million jobs in a 6 month period and 7-800,000 per. month. Ever skim Bugliosi’s book THE PROSECUTION OF GEORGE W. BUSH FOR MURDER ? (re. Iraq). corruption with your presumptive hero, RR – too long to list here, right now.

          • plsilverman

            …”I pity you”…what was that TV series with Mr. T.? >>>> why the ad hominem trash? I’m amazed at how many anti-Obama posters here refuse to give any hard evidence: circumstantial? what court advised you?

          • George Williams

            This blog is not a court of law, however, there is enough circumstantial evidence to make an indictment on many issues. The presentation of evidence will be made only after further investigation by Congress.. We are not conducting a trial here, so you will not get any testimony worthy of a court room. There is sufficient evidence at this time to diminish his presidency, as he continues to stonewall the investigators, and show ethical lapses. When Congress is finished with him, Grand Juries will be formed. In short, the president has been covering his tracks, so much effort will be required to expose his administration’s misdeeds to the light of day. Connect the dots, silverman. Your man is doomed to ignominy.

          • plsilverman

            no, son, YOU connect the dots along with Dot Connector – on Bishop Sheen’s old blackboard, Glenn Beck. Ignominity for Obama? nah. the very first African American President, elected twice, and surviving about 450 filibusters and about 150 clotures? GOP returning of stimulus $$$$, declining on needed infrastructure work, encouraging more corporate raids of still viable American companies? The Tea Party (as front group for the RNC biggest benefactors, the Kochs) bullying Boehenr into dragging out te debt ceiling talks – so that a lower S & P could be the result?
            Sure…Obama will be impeached..but .in what solar system? I always toss in, History is perspective: if the Gipper didn’t get sent a-packin’ after the Beirut 241 and Iran Contra; if W. didn’t get sent…I guess you did not read what I wrote above…well, it would be a very rare Lawyer to achieve your dream.

          • George Williams

            Do you ever write in complete coherent sentences?

          • plsilverman

            once again, you are dancing around the topics – let’s go point by point and please quit the personal attacks.

          • plsilverman

            …please look at what I wrote above and tell us what is factually wrong. Is it 439 filibusters?…let us in on your high quality information.

          • George Williams

            I knew a guy like you once, he was semi-literate, barely putting a sentence together. He managed, but a lot of people had to make up for his shortcomings. I pity you, Silverman, I really do.

          • George Williams

            You can’t even get that right. Mr. T often said, “Pity the fool.”

          • John Daly

            Why? So you can ignore them the same way you ignore every other example you’re given? You don’t want to “learn”, Phil. You work extremely hard at being willfully ignorant.

          • plsilverman

            ignore? I’m one of the very few posters who writes at length here, thoughtfully, yes and with examples ,illustrations, and facts. all I get back is ad hominem trash – and from you, it is a disgrace, a man given the chance to write for a site created by a heavily credentialed and famous individual. “willfully ignorant” is ad hominem and at this point is harassment.

          • John Daly

            >>I’m one of the very few posters who writes at length here

            No you’re not. Sure, you write at length… but little of it is thoughtful. Anytime someone states a valid point or rebukes something you wrote, you scream racism or whine incoherently about Alex Jones, John Birch, or Bill Sammon.

            And you’ve got to knock off this nonsense about it being ‘unprofessional’ for me to take to task the people who come to this site merely to demagogue and flamebait. That’s silly.

            You don’t want to ‘discuss’. You just want to assume bigotry and hate in those who disagree with you, and this website is just a sounding board for you to do that.

            If you want “professional courtesy”, as you often state, try going a week without incessantly tweeting far-left sources like the Huffington Post and the MSNBC hosts, and embarrassingly pleading with them to run stories on THIS website and its writers being “racist.”

            What you’re doing is far closer to ‘harassment’ than any response you’ve ever received on this website from anyone. You CHOOSE to come here and accuse people of being hateful bigots. If you can’t take being called out for that, you should move on.

            Hope that will sink in for you, Phil.

          • plsilverman

            find ONE instance of my “flamebaiting” or unwillingness to discuss. I *never* say go back to your Foxnews memos until after maybe 4 paragraphs defending my honor! :)
            I sense a lot of defensiveness about all the racisilly charged stuff on this site and you cannot deny that the editorials and commentary have a good amount of unnecessarily racial content and that posts like the “alphalfa and the omega” sit here without being deleted. For, what, the 6th time: I have never called any individual a racist..just that this site is too racially conscious on what Blacks do, What Whites Do, the President’s ethnicity. I do not recall ONE time you wrote, Phil you say GM is maliing a profit but the numbers suggest different, check this out….NEVER! I would welcome that. And yes, you use ad hominem for a too much for a featured writer on an important site. Yes, you now have veered into harassment territory..earlier I mentioned that and you laughed.

          • John Daly

            You think you’re a “customer”, Phil? That would be like calling a graffiti artist a “customer” of the business he’s defacing.

        • plsilverman

          you mean you have NO reply to my points above? I guess U agree with all of them. I would be happy to go by point with you any of them. You can get an ego boost every time you explain why I’m wrong…if I’m proven wrong (by a google search following the “correction”) fine. >>>mentioning the video at the time he did constitutes only: he is reporting what is known at the time, as outlandish as the report is. But *is* it outlandish? remember Salam Rushti’s predicament.

          • Jeff Webb

            My goodness, there is no pleasing you!

            I’ve actually named several examples of Obama’s dishonesty for you, and this is the first time you’ve deigned to respond, though with a non-response.

            Look, you demanded examples, this one might possibly be the easiest one for you to understand. I will spell it out for you one last time, and for once would you just give me the same courtesy I give you and post a direct response?

            For weeks, on numerous occasions, Obama blamed the attack on a spontaneous protest over a video, even though within hours the WH had the correct info.
            When Obama debated Governor Romney, he said he blamed the attack on terrorists shortly after it happened. If the former is true, then the latter can only be a lie. If the latter is true, than the former can only be a lie. Which is it?

            I answered your challenge, now it’s your turn:

        • legal eagle

          Why do you care if Obama lied? Is the President the Pope? Presidents and politicians as well as everyone over 3 years old lie….What a nonsensical argument. Tell me the last President who didn’t lie?

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  • Tim Ned

    One target at the gun range told the other target at the gun
    range don’t worry, even though we’re targets the instructor promised they’re not aiming at us.

    Doesn’t sound like such a bad joke now.

    • plsilverman

      what’s your larger point? :) who is the “target”? how? why?

      • dave davies

        Pretty obvious. Whomever the man with the gun wants.

  • EddieD_Boston

    Remember that line in Animal House? You bleeped up you trusted us.

    • Drew Page

      Perfect. I just wish Obama would use that same line and smile when he said it. At least I could muster up a little respect for him for telling the truth. Don’t pee on my back and try to convince me it’s raining. If you are going to do it, have the guts to admit it.

    • Wheels55

      It seems that some people on the left are finding that out. Those who are too stubborn to admit they have been taken will never say they lost trust. But we know they have lost it.

  • Randy

    The program isn’t the problem. It’s the Chicago Pol Obama running it that’s the problem!

    • plsilverman

      can you elaborate? please be specific. what specific action of Obama since 01-20-09 makes you post those statements?

      • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

        Just tell us one truth this Kenyan fraud has ever spoken

      • Drew Page

        You would need to live in Chicago to understand. Like his political mentors from the City That Works (for those in power) he tells people what he thinks they want to hear, takes care of his political cronies and contributors (unions and minority groups) and then does the opposite of what he promises to do.
        Now I know that isn’t specific enough for you, but you aren’t going to accept this or any other indictment of your messiah.

      • George Williams

        Except for you and legal eagle, the rest of in this blog are well aware of Obama’s past, his bullying with ACORN and the unethical way he campaigned to get his congressional Senate seat and Illinois legislature seats. We’re well aware of his fraudulent biographies, full of lies and tales of his dope smoking days and admittedly Marxist friends and other radicals. All of this, and his hypocrisies, frauds and political payoffs lead us to believe him to be a scoundrel.

  • Gloria

    Like you Bernie, this for some reason does not bother me, and I am an anti0big government person from the get go. My take on it is – if you don’t have anything to hide, then you have nothing to worry about. But you’re right, on the other hand, that it could very easily be abused in the wrong hands, and unfortunately the wrong hands are in charge of the country right now!

    • George Williams

      Gloria, sometimes it’s difficult to be certain of who has the “right” hands, and since we are apparently vulnerable to some idiots voting for the “wrong” hands, we cannot trust the government to do the right thing all the time.. That’s why our Constitution limits the federal government’s powers.

      • plsilverman

        this Patriot Act mess goes back to about (early) 2002 – after Bush and Cheney slept thru official warning of 9-11.

        • Wheels55

          What warning? They had intel that said an attack on US and allied interests was coming. But the intel didn’t say when or where and it was thought that these attacks would be on foreign soil. Perhaps like Benghazi (you know, where Obama and Clinton ignored pleas for help).

    • plsilverman

      weird..we’ve had 12 years to ponder this…now that the GOP (thinks they are) on a roll…all h*ll breaks loose. (aka Impeachment is a-comin’!).

  • Hugo Dawggy

    Roller Derby is more honest!
    President BO biggest fraud in American history!

    • plsilverman

      can you provide proof of “fraud” since 01-20-09? OR, something worse than selected actions of Reagan and W.?

      • TheOriginalDonald

        Have you not been paying attention, or have you done what WFTDA has told you do which is….

        1. SIT DOWN!

        2. SHUT UP!

        3. DO AS YOU’RE TOLD!

  • Neal from PA

    It’s not the collection and storing of data/datum per-say that worries me the most.
    It’s how that data/datum will be accessed and used; and by whom, for what
    purpose. Is it truly to defend America, or to target America???

    • legal eagle

      So under your theory we shouldn’t have a military because it could be used against Americans?

      • http://1389blog.com/ 1389AD

        An administration that flouts the Constitution at every turn should not have control of the IRS, the NSA, the military, or anything else. They all belong in prison, or worse.

        • plsilverman

          name one single instance that Obama “flouted” the Constitution. I’m actually eager for your response. Even if I disagree, I’ll google it.

          • http://1389blog.com/ 1389AD

            You must be joking. Have you lived on a desert island for the past five years?

          • plsilverman

            yes! I watch Sean Hannity every nite!!

  • Baker Rules

    One of the first things Janet Napolitano did was identify right wing groups as possible terrorists – equal with radical muslims. Now we know why.

    • plsilverman

      “now we know why”…what? :)

      • George Williams

        It was an attempt to discredit anyone opposed to the Marxist agenda and lawlessness of Barack Obama, although you are too much of a pathetic sycophant of the new messiah to recognize that the he is more devil than saint. Obama was slandering and libeling his critics by calling them hate groups. This is the Chicago way.

  • Nicholas344

    “There are certain things that are appropriate for me to know that is not appropriate for the bad guys to know,” Al Franken
    The trouble is that all those who oppose the progressive agenda are considered bad guys. Hasn’t the IRS scandal proven at least that?. How are the “bad guys” supposed to trust the government? Yet Bernie seems surprised that I don’t lack this blind trust in the purity of the NSA

    • plsilverman

      explain how you KNOW that the IRS issue was a true “scandal” (or something other than what Newscorp. or ALEC wants to be true).

    • legal eagle

      The NSA is part of a spy agency..You’re not supposed to know what they are doing…Isn’t paranoia fun? God bless Archie Bunker.

  • k962

    Hey Bernie, last night you said we don’t live in a police state! Police states don’t appear over night ! They evolve through the accumulation of liberties taken or given away! We are heading that way!

    • legal eagle

      You live in a police state compared to what country? The US is the most democratic government that exists…What are you talking about?

      • morefandave

        Compared to what it used to be. We have the most powerful and intrusive instrument of government, the IRS, treating people differently according to their beliefs. Our e-mails and phone calls have been tracked without our knowledge under a program which was originally only supposed to look at U.S-foreign transmissions. Wake up!

        • legal eagle

          Compared to the good old days of J. Edgar Hoover? How come you had no problem with the Patriot Act until Obama became President in 2009?

          • morefandave

            Bad assumption on your part. It wasn’t Obama’s election that made me have second thoughts-it was when I started learning about all the sneaky, partisan things he and his minions have been doing that made me have second thoughts. When he and his people lie blatantly about what they’re dong, they change the second thoughts into a conviction that the police state is being set up right now.

          • legal eagle

            So you are now paranoid but you weren’t before 2009? LOL
            Let me know when Obama’s “minions” knock at your door..I’d love to hear how the police state is affecting you…

          • plsilverman

            Legal Eagle – don’t you keep up with Alex Jones? Obama’s “minions”, the “new brownshirts” are coming to confiscate all legal guns so anti-Globalists can be more easily transported to FEMA camps.
            now with this wonderful flowering of the Patriot Act, courtesy of the negligence of Cheney-Bush, they will come barreling into town that much faster!

          • plsilverman

            sneaky? a politician doing sneaky things? never!!!! if there’s anything resembling a police state, the foundation was laid the day Cheney and W. slept thru official warnings of 9-11.

          • George Williams

            Or was it perhaps when Bill Clinton perjured himself and made his “It depend upon what the definition of is, is” testimony. The man was an inveterate liar. It tells us a lot about the character of the Democrats who still adore this liar in chief. Your character can be measured by the nature of your surrogates. And Obama’s can be measured by his tacit approval of Harry Reids smear campaign involving Romney’s taxes, where he made unsubstantiated statements saying that he had it on good authority that Romney had paid no taxes for ten years. Romney proved otherwise, but the despicable Reid and other Democrats never apologized. Reid is a thug. Obama is just another piece of trash from the ugly Daley Democratic Machine in Chicago, bringing all he learned from the gutter politics of Chicago; the Chicago Way, with all its evils.

          • legal eagle

            It would appear everyone is a liar to Mr. Williams…Anytime Fox News says their lying Mr. Williams commits it to memory…How scary..

          • George Williams

            Your biggest mistake is assuming that Obama’s troubles come from Fox and are not of his own making. This blame Fox ploy is typical of an Obamazombie. The reality of using the IRS for political ends is caused by Fox? Perhaps what is bothering you was Fox countering the administration’s claim that the scandal was limited to one IRS office, when it extended across the country, all the way to Washington? An inconvenient truth, isn’t it? Or was it the fact that Fox exposed Jay Carney to ridicule when he said that the talking points on Benghazi were only changed slightly in the White House, when it turned out that they were radically changed? Yes, Fox was a meanie to contradict Obama’s grand orator. If that upsets you, then you must truly be upset with the latest scandal, the one that involves Hillary’s State Department, where one of her close subordinates covered up her ambassador to Belgium penchant to ditching his security detail to consort with prostitutes? And so what if this new scandal is supported by testimony by a federal civil servant with no axe to grind? Unsettling, isn’t it? But that wasn’t Fox’s expose, was it? Oh, well, it looks like you’ll have to start a new crusade to discredit another news agency. Yes, Fox has harassed Obama about not permitting the Benghazi survivors to talk with the press, or even Congress. How unjust can it be to call the president to account for the details of how four brave citizens came to die, apparently abandoned by their own government and president?. It was truly horrible when Fox reported the thousands of redacted pages that Eric Holder submitted to Congress on Fast and Furious as part of their cooperation. One would think that Holder and his crew had something to hide from the Congressional oversight committee. And to report the contempt of Congress citation as an obstruction of justice was just unspeakable. Evil Fox. Without Fox, all we’d have on this administration is reports of the Easter Egg Roll on the White House lawn and Obama shooting hoops with some NBA celebrity. Obama is a thug and ultimately history will prove Fox a hero, while the other networks will go down in history as shameful bootlickers of a man whose name will live in infamy.

          • George Williams

            Fox isn’t scary. What’s scary is that when Obama does something that the news people would call him on if he was a Republican president. Fox is outnumbered by subscription, so their power is limited, a voice in the wilderness, but one that has been singled out as offensive as dissonance in a Greek Chorus. Any rational person should not fear the squeak of a single media outlet, but fear the lack of a shriek when a free press fails to call a president on his mistakes.

          • plsilverman

            keep on rocking.

          • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

            Hoover would be welcome at least he was American and supported America

          • George Williams

            I think this has as much to do with a man who came to office pronouncing that he was going to be profoundly different from everyone who came before, but has fallen flat in every area that he’s claimed to be superior. His is not the most transparent administration in history but the most opaque. The fact that you accept his hypocrisy with equanimity is testimony to your abject sycophancy. You have no standards, except for that your hero establishes on the fly, even though they bear no semblance to his avowed superiority.

      • Stimpy

        We’ve got the highest proportion of our citizens in prison than any other country in the world, with the possible exception of N. Korea. I’d call that a police state. A lot of them are what I would call political prisoners from the looney war on drugs.

        • plsilverman

          well…anyone who sells poison to children (in my book) should be executed within 6 months.

          • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

            For once in your career as a Left Wing Loon, I totally agree with. Drug pushing is the ultimate crime.

          • Stimpy

            Are you changing your stripes? I thought you were a liberal. Me, I’m a republican leaning libertarian. Live and let live. I’ll do my thing, you do yours, and we all just get along, right?

          • George Williams

            Stimpy, you do not understand progressive Democrats. They are like the alligator who promised to give a hare a ride across a river without being eaten, they have no intention on keeping their promises. It’s in their nature to control every aspect of human nature; to make the citizen conform to what they believe to be for their own good.

        • George Williams

          Really? The fact that every one of those in prison was given due process and found guilty by a jury of their peers is not different from the whimsical summary justice with no appeal meted out in North Korea? You know nothing about North Korea or justice. Your statement is astoundingly stupid. A crane operator under the influence of marijuana killed several people in a city a few days ago. Just what would this country look like if all you potheads came out of the closet and openly smoked with impunity while driving truck loads of hazardous material. Legalizing such drugs will amount to causing their use to proliferate way beyond their current level of use.

          • Stimpy

            Yeah, the people of Holland and Portugal have all turned into drug crazed lunatics. No? Why not? Maybe because drug use has been decriminalized and treated as a problem with addiction. You don’t legislate good or moral behavior and you don’t create a better society by locking up non violent ‘offenders’. How do you defend the use of alcohol and the end of prohibition in that situation? More people die and kill from alcohol abuse than marijauna abuse. Oh yeah, and new medical research, of course not permitted in our puritanical society, is turning up medical benefits relating to brain health and blood sugar regulation associated with marijauna compounds. Look it up before you open up your judgemental mouth. The only thing marijuana prohibition accomplishes is what you see going on with the narco wars in Mexico.

          • George Williams

            “Maybe because drug use has been decriminalized and treated as a problem with addiction. ”
            Yeah, we’ll just promote more addiction by taking away any inhibitions that people would have in taking drugs. De criminalization not only promotes hazardous drug use by making it socially acceptable, but is like ridding ourselves of the Consumer Product Safety Commission and letting the Chinese have the freedom to paint toys with lead paint.

      • k962

        Wake up ! The NSA, the IRS are all on the up and up Huh? The AG going after reporters with false affidavits doesn’t bother you ?
        That is what you call democracy?

        • plsilverman

          yes…but those agencies need a reworking. what degree of efficiency do you expect? the IRS returns 16 bucks for every buck they take in.

          • k962

            Reworking? They need cleaning out of liars and political hacks who targeting honest Americans asking valid questions of their government!

          • plsilverman

            who decides who’s a liar and a hack? very subjective. we can only vote for the best politician and then stay on their case if we believe that someone they appointed is a lying hack.

          • plsilverman

            politicians who “target”? they do “target” other politicians and cronies…but the average Dodger fan? not likely.

      • plsilverman

        you say it well.

        • legal eagle

          Thanks. I’m amazed at the amount of hate and paranoia exhibited by some of the people who post on this site..
          It’s sad to see how bitter some are…
          Hope all is well..

          • George Williams

            I’ll bet that you’re amazed every morning to see the sun rising and every evening when the sun sets. It’s always a wonder for people who can never connect the dots, the pathetically naïve low information voter who takes his news from HufPo, the New York Times and the WaPo.

          • legal eagle

            Good to see you’re connecting those imaginary dots linking all negativity to the acts of the government and Obama….Wonder how well your skills have worked for you and your family?

          • George Williams

            My family income is in the 75 percentile bracket in comparison to others in the U.S. I’ve been all over the world, including Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, New Zealand, Taiwan, Lithuania, Oman and the UAR and have lived in Korea and Germany. I am not completely satisfied, but when I retire my personal income won’t change. What do you earn?

      • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

        WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • plsilverman

      since Bush II slept thru the official warning of 9-11?

      • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

        I was in hospital when it happened and saw some of what came in

      • George Williams

        And I thought that the subject was Obama. My bad, as the youth colloquial expression goes. If would seem that whatever Obama does has to be measured by what Bush did, in spite of the fact that progressives say that his behavior was a corrupt yard stick for what a president should be. If Obama had turned out to be a good president, then he wouldn’t require the extensive apologies that seem to be required to mitigate his questionable behavior.

  • Indi4ever

    Wasn’t Susan Rice recently assigned to the NSA? And wasn’t one of the reasons given for that assignment her ‘Loyalty’ to the President? Yeah, we can be assured the NSA will use it only for discovering terrorists. Really worked well for finding out the Boston Hooligans too. They’d have done better to pay attention to the tip they got instead of burying themselves in our phone records.

  • disqus_9Av9WFBkxa

    The Country is being run like the Mafia. Only it’s not the Italian Mafia it’s the Chicago Progressive mafia. And they don’t have the the style or ethics of the Old School guys.

    • plsilverman

      yes, we should have voted for Romney. and continued Corporate raiding away our production workers…while we start 3 new wars and end medicare (plus privatize social security). them Chicago progressives…how come they can’t deliver a championship BB team?

      • George Williams

        Social Security is a statement on the part of the citizen that he should never trust in the national economic infrastructure. It’s a fools notion, as SS is intimately dependent upon the success of the corporations that support it through contributions. When corporations that employ people do well, SS does well. The true elite of this country, doctors, lawyers and businessmen would ditch SS as a retirement program in a heartbeat, as it is an obvious pyramid scheme, where by money is put into it, and depleted because it is not self sustaining and does not create wealth and is subject to the predations of inflation. Those that laud SS as a retirement program are usually ignorant of economics, how wealth is created and how it takes useful capital out of our economy and is used to subsidize the overhead infrastructure of ever expanding government programs.

  • Wil

    Bernie, Were these organizations targeted because they had “conservative-sounding names” or because the names are strongly associated with political activity?

    • legal eagle

      If you read the IRS Code regarding 501(c)(3) you would see why the activities of these organizations do not qualify them for tax exempt status…Have you ever asked yourself why they need this status?

      • Paul Courtney

        Gee, eagle, you sure know your c3. Ever heard of c4? It’s. like. the next one. Some of the religious groups were seeking c3, but the political guys were seeking c4. Have you ever asked Soros or Move On (or Obama’s new group, don’t remember the name but it sounded like a folk song) why they needed c4? The more you post, we see less eagle, more pigeon.

        • legal eagle

          Do you ever answer a fact based question? Why dd these groups need this status and why couldn’t they function without it?
          In court, your answer would be deemed non responsive…

          • Paul Courtney

            Looks like your question was to Wil, Chuckles. My post was simply to show you are as uninformed as we think, because the controversy is over folks applying for c4 status, so your talk of c3 is what, in court, is deemed immaterial. Since you want to know my answer to your question to Wil, here you go-put aside the simple notion of fairness, level the playing field with D orgs such as Move On, they want to raise money but not tell where it came from. They can function without it, but that would give Ds a great advantage, they’ve been functioning with it for over a decade. Do they need this? No, but they had this idea it wasn’t a “need” based program. In court, your question would … oh why bother.

          • legal eagle

            I court, my question would be answered or objected to and I would ask another question….I didn’t say that I agreed with Move On .org’s status or any other organization’s status. All apps should be examined by the IRS on a case by case basis.
            I do not profess any expertise on the IRS Code but as usual right wind whining and victimization seems to be overstated.

          • Paul Courtney

            Hey, Pigeon, was “wind” a typo or a freudian slip (revealing what you hear between your ears)? You began by lecturing us on a particular provision of the tax code and questioned its purpose. You now confess what we knew at your first post, you’re no expert on code, ’cause you had the wrong section. This also revealed you have seen something on tv (since it’s irs scandal, musta seen it on Fox) and failed to grasp it. This happens to you when you make the (rare) mistake of answering a question instead of your usual method of firing off fool questions. You may think it Socratic, but the content of your juvenile questions is more Aeropostale (ie, faux greek). Keep posting, though, your stuff doesn’t resemble a pigeon so much as what a pigeon drops!

        • plsilverman

          whatever Soros is messing with, let’s multiply that 15 times and ponder the Koch Brothers activities

    • legal eagle

      Political groups are not permitted 501(c)(3) status under the law…

  • Joe Chernicoff

    Two points Bernie:

    1) A government which does not trust its citizens is a government citizens cannot trust, and

    2) Security is a difficult process, especially in today’s hi-tech world. Like our homes and businesses, this country must be hardened, so as to preempt any attack on its citizens. This calls for a well balanced program which can gather enemy intelligence while at the same time protect our citizens’ rights.

    Unfortunately, this current administration does not provide us with the appearance of transparency – it hides its actions from us as though we were all little children without the ability to understand what is happening; secret operations do not have to be revealed, but affirmation of procedures which are meant to protect us should be. That is no different than placing security personnel in buildings, airports, etc.

    One other point is that I have learned from my 40 years or so in the security world, is that even governments find that security is an ‘eight letter dirty word’…something I find extremely difficult to understand.

    • legal eagle

      1) Where did you come up with this cliché?
      2) So you want the US intelligence apparatus to be transparent? Isn’t that a little counterintuitive?

      • Joe Chernicoff

        Re: the ‘cliche’, that’s just an apparent observation; as far as the transparency comment, I wrote “appearance of transparency”….not to have the intelligence apparatus transparent, as what has been done by ‘leakers’.

        • legal eagle

          The term trust is a vague concept….Why have cops? Isnt that a sign of distrust?

          • Joe Chernicoff

            Belief that trust is a vague concept is cynical; the trust government has in its populace and vice versa, is not comparable to police. Police enforce the laws of the state, which are (theoretically) designed for the good of the people. But of course, this all leads us to a metaphysical discussion, which could take up the rest of our lives. Or, to be Socratic in answer to your question, is locking our doors a sign of mistrust or a sign of awareness?

          • legal eagle

            That is my point…Why does one have to trust the government? I don’t and I don’t know anyone who does..I expect them to perform certain functions and to follow the law..No more and no less…I don’t understand what trust has to do with it…

          • plsilverman

            we vote for these cats…we trust them to generally do what we want..they run the military, the EPA, the health department..they do just fine, there…we hope they don’t find an excuse to create new taxes
            suddenly, since ’09, the President is supposed to visit us personally and tie our shoes. a couple of probable pranksters or RNC plants in the guise of “Black Panthers” cause a rukus near a voting place and the Attorney General has to get up at 4am and resolve the situation.

          • George Williams

            Dream on. Christian Adams explained it best when he described the Justice Department that he worked in under Holder was one that had the mindset that the civil rights laws were only applicable to cases where minorities were aggrieved parties. Whites are looked upon as empowered, with minorities acting out against centuries of oppression. To Holder and company, whites are only getting what was coming to them, hence his failure to follow through with the prosecution of the bullying thugs of the New Black Panther Party who wielded batons at the polling places.

          • plsilverman

            it was a local issue…the Board of Elections and the local Police handle that. Adam’s perspective sounds warped. And very suspect, biased supposition.

          • George Williams

            You’ve said nothing, more gibberish in an empty defense. Adam’s perspective sounds warped? Only because it doesn’t fit your preconceived notions of the situation. Very suspect, biased supposition? Based upon what? Because that’s what your own biases lead you to believe? More gibberish from someone who couldn’t accept the truth if it bit him on the ass.

          • plsilverman

            “gibberish” is not sensing that someone is a partisan. I did not say it’s a fact he is wrong. I just question this dude. Now, sir, since you have the Truth, enlighten us…and leave out RNC generated mantras.

          • George Williams

            The federal government saw it as a voting rights act violation. And if the local community, one totally dominated by black people decides that the New Black Panther Party is just giving whites what they deserve, then their Board of Elections can opt to take no action at all? No, it was a blatant violations of voter intimidation, a case for the federal government, one that would have gone forward if the baton wielders were white. Poor sycophant. You’ll go along with anything these thugs do, and make up some poor excuse for them to boot. Seconds on that Kool Aide?

          • Bob Hadley

            FYI, the New Black Panther Party pulled that stupid stunt at only one polling place – at a predominantly black and democratic precinct. The NBP party only has 3 or 4 members. You need to diversify your sources of info.

          • MontanaMade

            I think what Joe is saying, and I believe he said it, is that we simply do not trust this administration any longer, if we ever did. It took me a long time to not trust Bush, but he earned it. Obama has done it in record time. I want to trust (it makes me sleep better) but I simply cannot- they have done too much to kill that trust.

            As far as transparency, I would like to see that the laws and bills being passed are looked at, read, scrutinized and debated fairly, that all can see. The idea that these things are done without being read or done behind closed doors in secret makes me wary. I don’t believe you can have an intelligence system that is transparent, but they also do not have to violate our rights (see below…).

            This admin has lost it’s way, they have lost the trust of most Americans- and they have earned it.

          • Stimpy

            Is that you, Silverman?

          • plsilverman

            what’s with the 3rd party reference, son?

    • plsilverman

      mantra #34: no transparency. all because Barack Obama said he wanted point by point coverage of the constructing of AFCA. he was told that it was technically impossible. so we got to watch as much as possible on C-span. want some perspective on Presidential “transparency”…read Dean’s book, WORSE THAN WATERGATE. hint: not about the Obama administration.

      • George Williams

        Obama said that any legislation would be posted well in advance so all could see, but that never happened. Biden said that he’d personally provide oversight over how the stimulus was spent. Never happened. Much of the stimulus was spent keeping state civil servants for being cut, relieving the states from going through the trouble of cutting waste from their budgets. Billions were wasted on so-called green projects that only resulted in bankruptcies. Obama backed projects sponsored by his campaign bundlers. If a civil servant did that he would have wound up in jail. There have been more than 50 books about the corruption on the part of the Obama Chicago machine, his cabinet and czars. Obama has the death of four U.S. citizens as the result of Benghazi and the blood of thousands of Mexicans on his hands as the result of his corrupt and incompetent Department of Justice. That’s far worse than Nixon’s petty burglary known as Watergate. Still think anyone cares about “Worse then Watergate”.?

  • MontanaMade

    Those that sacrifice a little freedom for a little security deserve neither.

    We are headed down the slippery slope at full tilt and most don’t even know it- it’s been going on for so long- our perspective has changed- the new norm as it were.

    It is GOOD to distrust the Government and no Bernie- it is NOT good that we have to sacrifice freedom to catch terrorists- that is unacceptable. What is needed is for good men and women everywhere to stand for what is right. That means being engaged and fighting for your rights and being vigilant on evil people that wish to harm you and this country. It means people cannot sit passively while the Bill of Rights is reduced to nothing but fire starter.

    • legal eagle

      You are the same guy who blames the lack of intelligence every time there is a terrorist attack…Freedom is not an absolute in a civil society..it’s a concept..

      • MontanaMade

        You are the same guy that really does believe that freedom is a concept instead of a real, tangible thing guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, and that every time a new program comes out, we lose just a little more freedom. At what point do YOU say “enough!”? At what point do you say “the government has no right!”? For most of us- that time has long since passed. We have had enough- we’ve given up enough freedoms- be it through the government or the terrorists or for something “in our best interest”- and it’s time we pushed back and stood for something. At what point do YOU stand for something instead of criticizing those that do?

        • legal eagle

          We lose a little more freedom? That’s like saying that everyday we live we are closer to dying….Tell me what freedom you’ve lost since 2009. Tell me what new law or government policy is so all pervasive that it’s made any significant difference in your life?
          When will you stop dealing in fantasyland and deal in the real world?

          • MontanaMade

            Which would you like to start with? How about free speech? Or maybe the right to bear arms as infringed by the Bill of Rights. Try the right to your own doctor these days? Then right to negotiate with large companies or banks? Try the right to privacy- that has all but disappeared. The right to a speedy trial (without bankrupting the family). My favorite- the right to life as snuffed out by so many abortion clinics.

            I can go on, and explain each one but a simple mind cannot comprehend what has happened to our nation if he believes everything just okee dokie.

            Tell me- who’s living in fantasyland really?

            I think your mom is calling…

          • legal eagle

            I would address your allegations but I doubt you want to hear the facts or the truth.
            Stay in fantasyland…You’re obviously very comfortable there…
            I will mention you to my mom next time I visit her in the cemetery.

          • MontanaMade

            Sorry to hear about your mother- and that is sincere, I really am.

            But you have to have your head in the sand far below the earth to not see what’s happening around you. Every time the Government creates another law- we lose something- every time. This is not an fantasy or a fallacy- it is real, and for you not to see it is ignorance.

          • plsilverman

            how about the right for a medically challenged woman to say that she has a doctor’s note saying that a delivery would end her life and she knows she is within the “window” for such a procedure? what do you tell her and incest and rape victims?
            what’s happened to our nation? I do not want to go back to 1962, do you? well, except for the music and baseball.

  • morefandave

    The Founding Fathers wrote a Constitution that institutionalized distrust of government. Their brilliance and prescience becomes more apparent with each successive lie from the government officials who are supposedly protecting us. I have done a 180: I now fear our government more than the terrorists because the government has the ability to mess with my life 24-7 and, unlike the terrorists, there’s nobody trying to curtail its clandestine activities.

    • plsilverman

      in order to fight the War on Terror which actually began when Dick Halliburton and Kid Bush slept thru official warnings of 9-11, sacrifice of some freedom is a reasonable expectation.

  • tb thomas

    Bernie, speaking as one of your greatest admirers, I think you’re off the mark on this one. The premise that we can protect ourselves from terrorists anywhere near the 100% mark is simply absurd. Even more absurd is the notion that we can solve the problem by throwing massive amounts of money at it. I think it’s reasonable to tighten security at airports, but the body scanners take the solution to it’s absurd extreme.

    What we fail to notice (every time a new public policy issue makes it to the top of the news-cycle) is that our government only knows one solution to all problems: more regulations, more infrastructure, and more bureaucrats. We have wasted hundreds of billions of dollars on “national security infrastructure”, and thoroughly compromised our civil-liberties in the process. And yet, it appears there is only one bonafide example of these people successfully identifying and thwarting a legitimate terrorist plot. Every other incident that was prevented, was as a result of ordinary Americans acting swiftly as the threat became apparent. In the most egregious example, our homeland security forces were unable to act, even when the father of the prospective terrorist contacted multiple US agencies and warned them that he believed his son was about to commit an act of terrorism.

    If I had the authority, I would dismantle the DHS entirely, and put hadware level constraints on the surveillance infrastructure which has been put in place, such that no secret cabal of well-intentioned security operatives could use it without rigorous oversight, not only on granting authorities, but follow-up reporting after the fact of a) what authorities were granted, and b) a public quality assurance review after the fact demonstrating that the original authority was properly granted, and that the required probable-cause used to justify it was legitimate.

    I think it’s important to note that the third and last battle in the War on Terror that commenced on 9/11/01 was won by Americans — the heroes aboard flight 93 who’s spontaneous actions prevented that plane from possibly hitting the US capital. What the terrorists learned on that day was this: never again could they count on the passengers of a US airliner to quietly submit to their intimidation. That lesson was re-affirmed in the case of the ‘underwear bomber’, when the guy sitting next to him risked his own life to intervene.

    Today, I have far more confidence in the character of ordinary citizens, and their willingness to step in and confront terrorism the moment it presents itself, than I do in our lavishly compensated and arrogant national security civil-servants. My biggest fear going forward is a massive population of government employees who have conferred upon themselves unsustainable unfunded entitlements which we cannot afford (even now), and the lengths they will go to insure they get what they believe they are entitled to receive at the expense of the rest of us.

    Not only have they seized control over the credit and currency of this nation in order to keep delivering their benefits stream, they are now actively using their power as regulators and their privileged access to private information about each of us in order to insure their continued hegemony over the levers of government. And in spite of the fact that these abuses are plainly evident (thanks to a handful of people of conscience), there is no end in sight for this culture of corruption and deception.

  • Kevin

    When was trusting the government ever supposed to be a factor in American civics? The whole basis of our constitution is that the government should not be trusted. It’s called checks and balances.

  • golfmax13

    Roller Derby gets the nod. They actually take falls in Roller Derby.

  • beniyyar

    So the program is legal and serves what seems to be a useful purpose, it still reeks and has left many Americans feeling violated by a government which treats everyone as a potential criminal or terrorist.

    • legal eagle

      Did you feel violated when these programs were instituted under the Patriot Act or is this a new revelation?

      • soundnfury

        Version 2.0 under Obama & Company has taken the original Patriot Act & FISA court process & put them on steroids. It’s not that I distrust the Government in principle… I distrust this Government. Based on their recent history of “managing the truth”, I’d say that this mistrust by average-Joes like me is well-deserved.

        • legal eagle

          So you don’t mind the Patriot Act if a Republican is President? When you say you mistrust this Administration you are making a political statement …I find it hard to believe you were too upset when the NSA was doing the same thing prior to 2009…

          • Jeff Webb

            And I find it impossible to believe anything you say could ever be anything BUT political.

          • legal eagle

            I opposed the Patriot Act under Bush, under Obama and under any administration that may continue the practice of data mining…So did numerous other Senators and political observers.
            The problem with these types of programs is that they only get bigger and more obtrusive and no President is ever going to be able to ever stop it or scale it back.

          • Barancy Peloma

            they could scale it back but the power is too tempting.

  • ted

    Why not get rid of the entire NSA? And the TSA? And much, much more. Only a couple people got killed in Boston. There were 3 last week when a building fell down in Philadelphia. And the explosion in Texas? What 16? Accidents, including human-caused “terror” accidents happen. Just let them, we have a lot of people in the U. S. Cutting tens of billions out of the deficit would save more lives long term than the few “terrorists”. And get rid of the term “terrorist” while we’re at it. No state is sponsoring these idiot murderers and our state won’t stop them. They are killers, that’s all they want to do, they don’t want to spread terror.
    And besides, if those kinds of murders don’t bother out country any more than the hundreds in Chicago, maybe those idiots will stop bothering us.
    Just some thoughts.
    http://www.periodictablet.com

  • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

    Obamafest, come and browse what millions are saying in America. Yea! Liar in chief! they are not listening to us. God protect us from this Kenyan Muslim Dictator and let us hope we find a way to oust this criminal from our White house and into Gitmo.

    • plsilverman

      hehe..”liar in chief”! have not read that in about 2 years. but campaigner in chief is funnier. ok…now give us proof of one “lie” since 01-20-09. Your “Kenyan Muslim Dictator” is surely racist and will be reported.
      I se U R an authority so please educate us: give us real evidence of an Obama crime and make sure it would relate to the impeachment case Rupert Murdoch dreams of.

      • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

        How about aiding and abetting the murder of an Ambassador and 3 other Americans in Benghazi. How about two weeks after Bengahzi still talking about the non existent video. It would probably be easier if you could tell me when he has ever told the truth except when he applied for college as a foreign student.

        • plsilverman

          how about…? R U kidding? you don’t have one scintilla of proof that anyone at the level you are referring had an interest/anything to do with killing those Americans. That’s a bizarre statement. Go back to 2001 and study that region’s history. Would you call Bush II an accomplice based upon what happened on HIS watch there? >>>The video was made up? The video was mentioned as a possibility at the time…ever heard of Salam Rushti? How old was he when he applied for college? And that means…what? he was not born in Hawaii? I am friends with a lady about 85 here in CA who was a friend and co-worker of Sr. Obama and was with him when he got the news that he now had a son named Barack, born in Hawaii. So all that stuff is really useless at this point. >>>do you really know how serious “aiding and abetting the murder” is, even on this semi- informal site. you need to think a little before before you imply you have 1000% ironclad proof of “murder”. you would need to call the FBI right now. do U understand that? When Reagan send 241 Marines into Beirut, was he a “murderer” in your opinion?

  • Ed I

    I worked for state government 30 years. I can assure you that anyone that trust government, especially the federal government, is nuts. Remember the underwear bomber, the shoe bomber, the Boston Marathon bombers, and the Time Square bomber were not stopped/caught by the NSA but by good citizens and the local law enforcement. The NSA program is like using a hydrogen bomb to kill a mosquito. Most of government is liberal and registered Democrats. All of which believe the U.S. Constitution is a living document and morals are relative.

    • legal eagle

      How do you know the political affiliation of most of the government? Did you do a survey?

      • soundnfury

        Judging from their actions, I’d safe it’s pretty to say that we can determine political affiliation with a high degree of confidence, just as we can pretty easily surmise your political sympathies given the tilt of your statements on this blog.

        • legal eagle

          You are changing the subject…Ed I wrote that “most of the government is liberal and registered Democrats.” My question is how he concluded this?

        • legal eagle

          No response from you? Guess you don’t want the facts to get in the way do you?

  • MarioG

    Wait till they come after YOU, Bernie!

    You want those who gave us Fast & Furious gate, Benghazi-gate, AP-gate, Fox News gate, IRS-gate watching over the rest of us?

    Good grief!

  • joepotato

    A pathological liar is more honest than O’Soetransparent is… or maybe that’s what O’Soebama is… We still have no idea what his true name is or what citizenship were on his old passports… There seems to be nothing but problematic, forged and fraudulent documentation surrounding Mr. O’Soecommunista… Nancy (the Nazi) Pelousy vouched for this Marxist Muslim Mystery man, and if he’s proven a fraud/usurper, she should also be charged… (see MCSO – CCP investigation results) That’s the ticket…

  • kayakbob

    Agree with much of this editorial. I would be far less concerned about the NSA program if I didn’t already know about all the statements that have come out of this administration that we all now KNOW are flat out false. Not just that I disagree with the conclusion, but statements – on several occasions under oath – that are just plain false, by even the kindest definition of the term.

    So to trust them with my data would, in the immortal words of Hillary Clinton, require a suspension of disbelief.

    No, this administration is one big culture of lying. And these are the same people that labeled the previous administration a..what?…”culture of corruption”. The irony is so thick and on so many levels.

    Oh!..wait!..nevermind. I love the government, and the IRS specifically. I love you guys..all of you..honest…really…got your back…really..

  • docww

    You know Obama is in trouble when Jay Leno turns on him. When Obama won the election, all my Democratic friends (yes, I do have a few), told me that elections have consequences. In other words they wanted me to crawl back into my conservative hole in the ground, never to be heard from again.

    My response was: “This isn’t as bad as it looks, Having Obama in the White House for four more years will be worth its weight in gold when it comes to entertainment value.” I suspect that is what we are now seeing.

    • allen goldberg

      Elections have consequences. so, losing an election, means…conservatives must give up their values, abandon the Constitution, never say anything else…until when? Only a liberal would demand this. When has a conservative ever won, and conservatives tell libs to shut up? Never, that’s when. Their pov is fallcious.

      • legal eagle

        Conservatives give up their values? Impossible…LOL

    • legal eagle

      I hate to break this to you but Leno is not a Democrat he is a comedian…

      • docww

        I guess you are right. I forgot that Democrats don’t have a sense of humor!

  • Joh

    Someone wiser than I called attention to the two Boston bombing brothers; if the NSA is screening all of our calls, how did those two terrorists get missed?

    The day when Vince McMahon has a higher credibility that Barack Obama should be a wake up call to the voters of this county

  • DOOM

    Don’t worry, some “conservative republican” that they refuse to name says that the administration had nothing to do with the IRS thing. If you can’t believe a source that the accused party refuses to name, who can you believe?

  • Luanne Rolly

    Ooops. Your reference to Roller Derby suggests you are profoundly out of touch with what is happening with Roller Derby today. Must be old – thinking back to the 70s and 80s and “world wide wrestling” days. There is a resurgence going on across the globe – women’s, men’s, junior’s, Flat Track and Banked Track. 100% competitive. Check it out and don’t be so behind the times. :-)

    • I Hate Fascists

      Lucky for Perlutsky The Avenger that all you tough as nails roller derby chicks are showing up! Because Perlutsky couldn’t hurt a fly!

  • Ken Heyl

    Was the NSA leaker a leaker? Or was he asked to leak this stuff to create some controversy in the opposite direction (right vs left) of all the other “scandals”. Will we ever know which?

  • Wil

    Darrell Issa (R-CA) is going to ignore facts once again, and forge ahead, even
    though he was called out Sunday by Representative Elijah Cummings (D-MD), the
    top Democrat on the House of Representatives Oversight and Government Reform
    Committee. Cummings released a partial official
    interview transcript to Candy Crowley on CNN’s State of the Union Sunday,
    and it was revealed that the IRS manager behind the extra review of Tea Party
    groups described himself as a conservative Republican during the interviews.
    This fact kills Darrell Issa’s entire premise that there was a political
    agenda behind the reviews. But Issa said in a statement released to the
    press that the IRS manager’s comments “did not provide anything enlightening or
    contradict other witness accounts.” No? They sure contradict Issa’s accounts
    to the press.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2013/06/10/darrell-issa-wont-release-irs-transcripts

    • Paul Courtney

      Rep. Cummings probably amazed you buy his palaver, nobody else has. Too bad you’re not working at CBS, NBC, ABC, NPR, NYT, WashPost etc. which have ALL missed this revelation, the ID of the “manager behind the extra review of TeaParty groups”. We know Ms. Crowley’s show viewed by dozens of people, still hard to imagine how such breaking news could only be picked up by you and otherwise kept under wraps. Must be those news orgs are all tools of Issa? Now that they’re not going steady with Barry?

      • Wil

        Why doesn’t Issa release ALL the emails? I know, because it will prove he is a liar!

        • Paul Courtney

          Yeah, you know. You’ve seen ‘em? And calling Issa a liar is very clever evasion, none of us noticed.

      • Bob Hadley

        Paul,
        I don’t know if a conservative Republican oversaw those IRS investigations and that he testified that the scandal probably didn’t go any higher, as has been stated by Rep. Cummings and others. I’m waiting to get the big picture.
        That said, I think you forget that journalists are in a profit-seeking, scandal-seeking, titillation-seeking profession. Whatever bias so-called journalists may have (on the Right and on the Left), they also have a desire to keep scandals alive, no matter who is involved. Often, the media will skew the facts to make a scandal look bigger than it really is.

    • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

      John McCain calls himself a republican. There are quite a few in the present legislation who call themselves republicans. I just do not know if we have any real republicans in the legislation who actually still call themselves republicans. We call them RINOs. Tea Party has a fair number who follow most conservative traits. That is why America is heading for the dump. Republican ideas and practices are things of the past.

    • soundnfury

      I’m guessing that you also swallowed the line that this administration put out shortly after this scandal broke, that this was the product of a couple of rogue agents in Cincinnatti. You probably also believed Hillary & Obama when they promoted the line about Benghazi that this attack was a response to a video about Mohammed. But tell us honestly… You also voted for John Edwards in 2004, didn’t you?

      • Wil

        Issa knew about IRS almost a year ago. He did nothing about it until the recent scavengers got some Sunday morning press.

        No, but I’ll bet you voted for Dubya.

  • Patrick H.

    Bernie, I think a piano player in a whorehouse is more honest than this administration.

    • I Hate Fascists

      Leave it to you to go to a whorehouse and proposition the piano player

    • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

      Well at least she usually speaks the truth once when asked how much?

    • legal eagle

      I assume you’ve done a study regarding the honesty of piano players working in whorehouses?

  • Patrick H.

    Oh Wil, I Hate Fascists, and ARJ127 why don’t you just both go away? You agree with nothing on this website and are trolls at best and insane at worst!

    • Bob Hadley

      At least they’re challenging their ideas by interacting with a site espousing views contrary to their own. That’s how you learn and grow.
      When you always seek out views you agree with you tend to become intellectually ingrown and even bigoted.

      • Brian_Bayless

        Well said, Bob. Sadly, you just described 80% of the posters on this site.

        • soundnfury

          You want echo chambers? Try Huffpo for starters. Then move on the the NYT, WaPo, LATimes, NPR, etc. I’m sure I’m not telling you something you don’t already know.

          • Bob Hadley

            That’s it! Let yourself off the hook by zeroing in on someone else’s flaws. Good job. That’s how to avoid self-improvement!
            You’d better swim or you’ll sink like a stone. :)

      • Darren Perkins

        I read a lot of articles of different points of view. The problem is that almost always I find in the left leaning articles either inaccuracy or direct obfuscation of the truth. Not always… but almost.( ie look at articles in regards to California’s obama care exchange rates. Deliberate obfuscation if I ever saw it.) Numbers don’t lie.

        • Bob Hadley

          It sounds as if you already made up your mind before you read the articles. If the articles you read don’t make you think, then you’re either close minded or you’re reading the wrong articles – or maybe a bit of both.

          There are thought provoking and thoughtless articles on all point of the political spectrum.

          • Darren Perkins

            On the contrary, I think what I’ve described above is not a prejudging of the article but a careful analysis of the facts used to support the point of view. For instance there is an article that is skeptical of the importance of the number of times the IRS commissioner Shulman visited the whitehouse. I found it to be highly credible. As a result I do not look at the fact that he was cleared to be at the whitehouse to mean actual visits and is certainly not a smoking gun that leads to O as the culprit directing IRS targeting of conservative groups.

  • Darren Perkins

    Oh, another thing… why are people afraid of posting under there actual names. Seems ridiculously cowardly. How bout everyone come out of the political closet. If your not worried about the government knowing who you talk to for how long and where your at then this shouldn’t be a problem for you… but oh how we love our anonymity don’t we.

  • Darren Perkins

    Wake up people, nsa isn’t for stopping terrorists. That is just the reason for the huge power grab. Like newtown was the reason for gun control. Information of the nature being collected confers a huge amount of power over the people. If it’s not in the wrong hands now when will it be. This has got to be stopped. This is like searching the diaper of the 80 yr old wheelchair bound lady by tsa. It’s just not necessary and the invasion of privacy is way too high. This is not a joking matter. I would rather have more terrorist attacks than essentially give up all semblence of privacy and thus freedom.

  • Wheels55

    I’m not worried about billions of transmissions being monitored each month in the name of fighting terrorism. But the Boston bombings still happened – so it isn’t perfect. I buy into the idea that giving up some privacy for security being necessary.
    However, I do worry about all of those records being used for shady purposes. I think the IRS scandal is just a small part of what is going on with the Feds stepping on our liberties. Trust is not a word I would use to describe how I feel about the Feds these days.

  • Johnny Deadline

    Bottom line: until the IRS actually fires people and efforts are made to permanently ban them from ever holding federal government jobs again, I’ll consider the glass half-empty on that scandal. As for not caring about all the metadata being collected by Uncle Sam, I’d be very concerned Bernie, until our elected officials actually prosecute those involved. How can we trust the NSA, FBI, CIA, IRS, Homeland Security or any federal agency if, like Hillary Clinton, ousted leaders accept responsibility in front of the cameras but no accountability in reality?

    • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

      The IRS cannot fire the people concerned. Barry, Holder, Pelosi, Reid, Lerner, they all outrank the IRS. They are the people who really instigated the IRS and all the other scandals this adminstration has activated.

      • Johnny Deadline

        And even if the IRS could I’m sure they wouldn’t. Poorly worded on my part, Lucky. What I meant was Congress should ensure that these people are fired and banned from ever holding another federal job. Let Benghazi Barry, Eric WithHolder, Botox Queen, Dingy Harry and Lois Lerner the 5th try to defend these thuggish tactics they helped instigate.

  • RickonhisHarleyJohnson

    I’m glad to hear Jay Leno talking about this. Too many low-information voters get their news from comedians. Maybe some of them woke up a little after his monologue.

  • DonaldYoungsRevenge

    To add a paragraph showing dishonesty, I add that we still don’t have a legitimate birth certificate for this President, the one we have seen is a damn forgery with much evidence to back this accusation up. It is also a safe bet that Obama fraudulently registered with the Selective Service in 2008 he was more than likely a “foreign exchange student” in 1980 and didn’t have to register. His SS# was flagged by E-Verify more than once for good reason, it is fraudulent. The Snopes response about the SS# was totally bogus, besides those two who run that operation are of questionable character with their pony in the Obama camp. If this President is a fraud (he is) and folks like Bernie Goldberg and the Fox News intentionally ignore it, the country is in big trouble. To add insult to injury Conservatives for the most part have joined the chorus of liberals by slandering the folks who are willing to expose this fraud and criminal activity.

    • soundnfury

      Before saying you hate fascists, you should probably check your definition. This is a classic description of Obamism:

      1. often Fascism

      a. A system of government marked by centralization of
      authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

      b. A political philosophy or movement based on or
      advocating such a system of government.

      2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
      http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fascism

    • DonaldYoungsRevenge

      There will be a call for an investigation of all those who participated in the production of that April 27th, 2011 forged birth certificate. The evidence is so overwhelming that Congress will not be able to ignore it and there will be some prosecutions.

      As far as folks hating me, you would be shocked at how many folks are now becoming aware of Barry’s fraudulent and criminal activity and they are smoking mad. The evidence has been packaged and ready to be taken to DC and if our Represenatives do not respond their names will be widely published across the country. They will be emabarrassed into action as will the media.

  • Bruce A.

    Where does it end? With Internal Revenue in charge of Obamacare will medical care be slowed for anyone deemed o be an enemy of the state? How many other ways could this info. be used or abused.

    • legal eagle

      Excellent paranoia…

      • MarkAbbott

        Maybe … but justified.

  • Seattle Sam

    About 40 years ago, I had the pleasure of entertaining some of the Roller Derby ladies one evening. Be assured that, although they were not the sort of women I’d like my son to bring home, they were decidedly more ingenuous than the current administration.

    • MarkAbbott

      Probably WAY hotter too!

  • JohnInMA

    If someone can prove how secure the stored data is, then perhaps I’m less worried. However, just as the Obama political operatives have proven since the earliest days in Illinois, they cannot resist finding damning information from ‘closed’ or ‘private’ records. On top of the more recent scandals, the NSA looks like a gold mine to political operatives. Imagine if someone like the leaker of the NSA program details – Edward Snowden – decided to just be greedy and offer some phone call information to the next Dem presidential candidate’s team? Snowden claims he had easy access.

    Imagine…..

  • ARJ127

    I’m glad that Bernie is now willing to stick up for the 4th Amendment. Obama has shown himself to be a hypocrite. Candidate Obama was all for protecting us all from unwarranted surveillances. President Obama seems to have forgotten his defence of the 4th Amendment. I can only hope that if this comes to the Supreme Court, Justice Scalia, Justice Thomas, Chief Justice Roberts as Bush appointees will support our 4th Amendment rights. Would this have have been the case under the Bush Administration? Would Bernie and the rest of the Republicans have protested this snooping?

    I have my doubts.

    • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

      Bernie is like all the Conservative talk show hosts. He is scared silly he will lose his show as one commentator did soon after Obama came in

  • Tabitha Bliss

    Hey, don’t knock Roller Derby it’s brutally honest! I know b/c I used to be in it & my tailbone will testify for the rest of my life to it’s honesty’ .

    But I do agree about the administration. Team Obama doesn’t seem to know how to tell the truth. Most corrupt administration in history 100%

    • I Hate Fascists

      You sound like a tough chick! You should join Perlutsky The Avenger on his rampage that he has threatened to go on unless Obama is impeached!

  • http://apostrophejones.com/ Gloves Donahue, Jr.

    Obama used the IRS to audit Romney donors and harass Tea Party members.
    That’s enough for impeachment.

    • DonaldYoungsRevenge

      With all that Senator Dingy Harry had to say about Mitt Romney’s tax returns we should put Harry under oath and make him tell the country where he got his information from. There is no doubt that the IRS leaked the Romney tax returns to Dingy Harry.

    • Jenn

      RIGHT ON!!!

    • Wil

      As far as I’m concerned, the IRS has done nothing wrong in auditing some of the phony non-profits. After all, the ones they audit most are those they suspect of lying on their tax returns (which – as it turns out – are mostly the rich).

  • Wil

    Those Tea Party witnesses Issa paraded before the hearing last week. Everyone of
    those witnesses had an agenda at the hearing to go after the IRS, so how much of
    their testimony was twisted or limited to aid Issa and GOP cohorts. We only
    heard one side and opinions are not facts. The IRS agents being castigated by
    these witnesses were not available to explain their side of the process.

    • Wolf Moon

      Oh, I think those agents will have plenty of time to explain.

    • DonaldYoungsRevenge

      When will they call Valerie Jarrett and David Axelrod to the House and swear them in and ask them how they were involved in the IRS scandal. I wholeheartedly believe they were neck deep in this scandal.

      • http://www.LuckyLuxtonAffiliateMarketing.com/ Keith “Lucky” Luxton

        They would lie under oath, they are next in line to Holder and Obama for never telling the truth