"...we don’t know where the Cole case is headed. We don’t know what his legal defense will be."
If his defense atty doesn't try to dismiss the case because of President's Trump's pardon, he may well lose his license to practice law. It'd be malpractice.
Whether the pardon applies to Cole depends fundamentally as to whether the phrases "individuals convicted of offense" and "pending indictments" are prospective. President Trump could issue a statement as what his intent was, and that may well be determinative. Since it was "his" (and I use that word deliberatively) FBI and "his" DOJ that is crowing over the arrest, he'd look pretty stupid to say he intended the terms to be prospective.
If the case is dismissed because of the pardon, it'd be a PR blackeye for the FBI, the DOJ and President Trump.
Pipe bombs intentionally preplanned and built for destruction is not in the same category as a fired up mob crashing gates and doors! Why did you fail to mention that the previous FBI team's inability to solve case is what most likely led to the conspiracy theories. We all have to belief that our FBI is not just competent but the best in their work that protects us. For them being unable to solve a case that was subsequently solved with a new set of eyes and no new evidence is disturbing and creates more questions than answers.
Hi Pat. You realize that hundreds of people at the Capitol did more than just crash gates and doors, right? They assaulted police officers (some using weapons), and targeted legislators, while Trump sat in the White House for hours, and watched it on television, refusing to lift a finger to help. As I mentioned in the piece, some of the injuries were so serious that officers had to retire from the force; one even died the next day. Other J6ers Trump set free were found guilty of seditious conspiracy, which included premeditated actions. Separately, as I mentioned in the piece, Trump has pardoned literal murderers.
My point is not that premeditated, attempted murder with pipe-bombs is exactly the same crime as other crimes that Trump has pardoned people for. My point is two-fold: 1) His sweeping, extremely broad pardon of criminal activity at or around, and related to, January 6, may have opened a legal loophole for Cole's defense team. 2) In addition to effectively pardoning everyone else who committed crimes related to his "stop the steal" efforts, and already demonstrating his willingness to pardon murderers, I'm not sure why anyone would think Trump wouldn't willingly do the same for an attempted-murderer who expressed himself as a Trump loyalist, acting in protest of the "stolen election." He's already done worse than that.
As for the conspiracy stuff, I don't rationalize/defend people (like Bongino) presenting reckless government conspiracy theories as fact (aka lying), just because it's taking a long time to identify the likely suspect in a crime. Sadly, lots of crimes take years for even the FBI to solve. For example, it took them 20 years to find the Unabomber. Heck, there are others who committed crimes on Jan. 6 who still haven't been identified (despite their crimes being captured on video). It's certainly okay to ask questions, and express suspicions about such things, but Bongino outright declared it an inside job. He deserves strong criticism for that.
I tire of the back and forth over Jan 6 and Trumps involvement. Though his rhetoric certainly had something to do with emboldening those who crashed into the Capital, he did not incite nor encourage it. The left wing media and even some moderates would have you believe Trump was riding horseback, waving a sword over his head screaming 'Take back your country' or some other hyperbolic phrase. He clearly stated 'peacefully'. Trump should not have pardoned those who actually damaged Capital property and especially should not have pardoned those who harmed capital officials
As I've written a number of times, I don't believe Trump directed the attack at the Capitol, or even envisioned such a thing happening. But he absolutely provoked it with his two months of election lies (that convinced his faithful supporters that the election had been stolen), and summoning them to the Capitol on Jan. 6 -- which he presented as our country's final opportunity to save U.S. democracy.
I'm, of course, not the "left wing media," and I've always been far less interested in what Trump said that specific day, prior to the attack. By then, the fuse had already been lit. The idea that two months of end-of-the-country provocation were rendered meaninglessness the moment the word “peaceful” was casually tossed out in the eleventh hour (especially in a speech that also included 20 instances of the word "fight") is absurd.
"...we don’t know where the Cole case is headed. We don’t know what his legal defense will be."
If his defense atty doesn't try to dismiss the case because of President's Trump's pardon, he may well lose his license to practice law. It'd be malpractice.
Whether the pardon applies to Cole depends fundamentally as to whether the phrases "individuals convicted of offense" and "pending indictments" are prospective. President Trump could issue a statement as what his intent was, and that may well be determinative. Since it was "his" (and I use that word deliberatively) FBI and "his" DOJ that is crowing over the arrest, he'd look pretty stupid to say he intended the terms to be prospective.
If the case is dismissed because of the pardon, it'd be a PR blackeye for the FBI, the DOJ and President Trump.
Pipe bombs intentionally preplanned and built for destruction is not in the same category as a fired up mob crashing gates and doors! Why did you fail to mention that the previous FBI team's inability to solve case is what most likely led to the conspiracy theories. We all have to belief that our FBI is not just competent but the best in their work that protects us. For them being unable to solve a case that was subsequently solved with a new set of eyes and no new evidence is disturbing and creates more questions than answers.
Hi Pat. You realize that hundreds of people at the Capitol did more than just crash gates and doors, right? They assaulted police officers (some using weapons), and targeted legislators, while Trump sat in the White House for hours, and watched it on television, refusing to lift a finger to help. As I mentioned in the piece, some of the injuries were so serious that officers had to retire from the force; one even died the next day. Other J6ers Trump set free were found guilty of seditious conspiracy, which included premeditated actions. Separately, as I mentioned in the piece, Trump has pardoned literal murderers.
My point is not that premeditated, attempted murder with pipe-bombs is exactly the same crime as other crimes that Trump has pardoned people for. My point is two-fold: 1) His sweeping, extremely broad pardon of criminal activity at or around, and related to, January 6, may have opened a legal loophole for Cole's defense team. 2) In addition to effectively pardoning everyone else who committed crimes related to his "stop the steal" efforts, and already demonstrating his willingness to pardon murderers, I'm not sure why anyone would think Trump wouldn't willingly do the same for an attempted-murderer who expressed himself as a Trump loyalist, acting in protest of the "stolen election." He's already done worse than that.
As for the conspiracy stuff, I don't rationalize/defend people (like Bongino) presenting reckless government conspiracy theories as fact (aka lying), just because it's taking a long time to identify the likely suspect in a crime. Sadly, lots of crimes take years for even the FBI to solve. For example, it took them 20 years to find the Unabomber. Heck, there are others who committed crimes on Jan. 6 who still haven't been identified (despite their crimes being captured on video). It's certainly okay to ask questions, and express suspicions about such things, but Bongino outright declared it an inside job. He deserves strong criticism for that.
Agreed! Thanks, guys … Aloha, Mike
What a load of nonsense Pat, the same people who made this break in the case, were working for the FBI under the Biden administration!
Only the faces at the top changed.
Minimising the J6 incident is something desperate MAGA types do.
I tire of the back and forth over Jan 6 and Trumps involvement. Though his rhetoric certainly had something to do with emboldening those who crashed into the Capital, he did not incite nor encourage it. The left wing media and even some moderates would have you believe Trump was riding horseback, waving a sword over his head screaming 'Take back your country' or some other hyperbolic phrase. He clearly stated 'peacefully'. Trump should not have pardoned those who actually damaged Capital property and especially should not have pardoned those who harmed capital officials
As I've written a number of times, I don't believe Trump directed the attack at the Capitol, or even envisioned such a thing happening. But he absolutely provoked it with his two months of election lies (that convinced his faithful supporters that the election had been stolen), and summoning them to the Capitol on Jan. 6 -- which he presented as our country's final opportunity to save U.S. democracy.
I'm, of course, not the "left wing media," and I've always been far less interested in what Trump said that specific day, prior to the attack. By then, the fuse had already been lit. The idea that two months of end-of-the-country provocation were rendered meaninglessness the moment the word “peaceful” was casually tossed out in the eleventh hour (especially in a speech that also included 20 instances of the word "fight") is absurd.
We agree on the pardons.
Barry Goldwater warned us someone like Trump. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TiB1aYAdu58