This Just In: President Obama’s Pants Are on Fire!

Pants on FireMy daughter came home from tennis camp with a trophy when she was just five years old.  She walked in the house and immediately dumped it in the garbage.  When asked why, she simply said, “They gave one of these to everybody.”

About 12 seconds after he took the oath of office, Barack Obama got a trophy too.  It was the Nobel Peace Prize.  Even he knew he didn’t deserve it.  But he accepted it anyway even though, as my then five-year old daughter understood, it’s embarrassing to accept an award you don’t deserve.  But narcissists are rarely embarrassed.

I bring this up because President Obama has just won another major award.  But this time he deserves it.  For saying, “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it,” President Obama has been awarded the Lie of the Year award, handed out by PolitiFact, the organization that monitors the veracity of what public people say.

And unless you’ve either been in a coma or have been visiting your cousin Lenny on Neptune you know that he didn’t just say it once or twice or ten times.  We might, if we were feeling especially generous, simply forgive that as a few slips of the tongue. No, Mr. Obama said it over and over and over and over again in one form or another.  My personal favorite is when he added the “Period” at the end of the lie.  Nice touch, Mr. President.

And when millions of Americans got cancellation notices from their insurance companies telling them that contrary to what Mr. Obama had been telling them, they could not keep their healthcare plan – even if they liked it – then everyone knew he had his fingers crossed behind his back when he said what he said which wasn’t true.

So how did Team Obama respond when he got caught?  Here’s how PolitiFact explains it:

“Initially, Obama and his team didn’t budge.

“First, they tried to shift blame to insurers. ‘FACT: Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans,’ said Valerie Jarrett, a top adviser to Obama, on Oct. 28.

“PolitiFact rated her statement False. The restrictions on grandfathering were part of the law, and they were driving cancellations.

“Then, they tried to change the subject. ‘It’s important to remember both before the ACA was ever even a gleam in anybody’s eye, let alone passed into law, that insurance companies were doing this all the time, especially in the individual market because it was lightly regulated and the incentives were so skewed,’ said White House Press Secretary Jay Carney.

“But what really set everyone off was when Obama tried to rewrite his slogan, telling political supporters on Nov. 4, ‘Now, if you have or had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law, and you really liked that plan, what we said was you can keep it if it hasn’t changed since the law passed.’

“Pants on Fire! PolitiFact counted 37 times when he’d included no caveats, such as a high-profile speech to the American Medical Association in 2009: ‘If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.’”

Eventually, after his most loyal supporters – journalists – turned on him, he confessed, admitting he got it wrong.  Thanks, Mr. President.

Most people, if they got caught repeating such a whopper so many times so publicly would do the right thing – get plastic surgery, change their name, and sneak out of the country.  Perhaps that’s not a practical solution for the president of the United States, but I never got the impression that he felt that normal human emotion when caught fabricating something important:  humiliation. Just a little would have been nice.  But Mr. Obama is a man of immense self-confidence.  And it’s creepy.

Despite the fact that everybody knows what a mess ObamaCare has become, the president’s courtier in the Senate, Harry Reid, has said that ObamaCare would be a big plus for Democratic senators facing re-election in 2014.

“I think it’s going to be good for them,” Reid told a Las Vegas TV interviewer. “By that time, there will be a lot of people on it that have already signed up. It’ll be fine.”

For this, Senator Reid wins his own award:  “Optimist of the Year.”  (Just so you know, because I’m a nice guy, I fought the temptation to give Reid the “Doofus of the Year” award.)

And we didn’t even get into “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Period!” There’s always next year.

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  • nkqx57a

    Obama’s legacy is toast… HISTORY will record that what Obama did in eight years, it took a Generation to correct and will become known as America’s “Lost Decade”…he will not have the place in history he so eagerly covet; other than being the first elected half White/Black President. Instead of ranking with Lincoln and Reagan and other giants, it seems more likely that he will be a case-study in presidential failure like Jimmy Carter.

    I could list at least a dozen or so reasons (facts/truths)… Obama’s place in HISTORY…behind Jimmy Carter, as the worst President in HISTORY. For what he and his administration have done and will continue to do, he should be removed from office, for being an imposter or at the very least “IMPEACHED” for his disregard for his oath of office to honor and defend the Constitution.

    FACTS/TRUTHS MATTER …

    (1) Great presidents and leaders not only have to enunciate their vision; they must lead by example and inspiration. Franklin Roosevelt spoke to the individual. He and Ronald Reagan had the ability to make each American feel that the president cared deeply and personally about them. Why does he plan and take expensive vacations to Africa and Martha’s Vineyard? Why is he clueless about real world events? Why the corruption and lies? Why is Obamacare failing? Why the non-answers to questions on Benghazi, IRS, Fast & Furious, etc.?

    (2) Looking at what has transpired over these past 5 years and the current scandals in this administration is the very real reflection of the real true Obama. The staggering arrogance and self-absorption in Obama and his administration, is it any wonder these scandals occurred in the first place. Should it be any surprise that they are indignant when asked to respond to legitimate questions from congressmen or news reporters? This is a group of Chicago politicians, transplanted to Washington, who believe they are above the law and whose personal and political agendas trump all else.

    (3) Obama’s obsession with so called social justice, spreading the wealth around and in fundamentally changing the United States. Politicians will come and go, but if Obama expands the power of the bureaucracy, he expands the power of the Left, with the managers and minions who share his view of the world. (Obama isn’t the leader of the free world; he’s the front man for a permanent liberal/socialist bureaucracy, the face hiding the merciless deep orifice of corrupt politics; without accountability.)

    (4) What is currently taking place in the Middle East is directly caused by Obama’s weak leadership. His “Apology Tour” and “Red Lines” did nothing to strengthen him or America in the eyes of those who have declared WAR on us and want to see us dead; or anyone else. After all…Obama has said he is a “spy behind enemy lines” and if he had to choose “I side with Islam”. If Obama did indeed give “three very clear directives”; then why are 4 Americans dead?

    (5) Obama is a man and CIC that; as a civilian, because of his background and associations could never hold a security clearance of any kind; now has access to very high-level secrets of not only the US, but other nation’s secrets they have shared with us. Make me shutter at what Obama MAY DO or NOT DO.

    (6) What other countries think of Obama… The Russians think he’s a putz and plays him like the fool he is. The French think he’s rude. The Germans want him to stop spending. The Indians want him to get his nose out of their environmental business. The North Koreans think he’s a joke. The Iranians won’t acknowledge his calls. And the British can’t even come up with a comprehensive opinion of him. As for the Chinese, he’s too frightened to even glance their way. (After all, China now owns a large portion of the United States).

    (7) Obama appears to be a man filled with bitterness, anger, and scorn for anyone of an opinion or view other than his. He acts in the most detestable, malicious, vindictive ways in order to manipulate and maintain power and control over others. Using every crisis whether real or manufactured to push his immoral and unconstitutional agendas. Obama says he is Christian, but his actions and the results there of; say otherwise.

    (8) Obama is void of the basic emotions that most true Americans feel regarding this country and insensitive to the instinctive pride we have in our national heritage. Oddly and perhaps even inevitably, his political experience, a cakewalk, has positioned him to destroy the Constitution and the Democrat Party’s hold on power in Congress because in the end it was never about the Party; or his swearing to defend and protect the Constitution of these United States of America. It was always about his Communist/Marxist/Socialist ideology, learned at an early age from family, mentors, college professors, and extreme leftist friends and colleagues.

    (9) Obama uses his Office to threaten and create fear while demeaning and degrading anyone who opposes his policies and actions. A true leader, who has noble self-esteem and not false confidence, refrains from showing such dread of critics and displaying a cocky, conceited attitude, (only conmen and immoral politicians act this way).

    (10) Not a day goes by that Obama is not attempting to defy our laws, remove our rights, over-ride established procedures, install controversial appointees, enact divisive mandates, and assert a dictatorial form of power (and with help from the Judiciary and the MSM, sometimes succeeding; and has no fear of, nor respect for our Constitution, Congress and We the People).

    (11) Obama creates chaos for the sake of keeping people separated, envious, aggrieved and ready to argue. He incites people to be aggressive toward, and disrespectful of, those of differing opinions. And through such behavior, Obama has lowered the standards for self-control and mature restraint to the level of school yard gangs (when he should be raising the bar for people to strive toward becoming more considerate, tolerant, self-disciplined, self-sustaining, and self-assured).

    (12) The hypocrisy of Obama and his Administration is why “We the People” are at the breaking point. We did not elect these people to make up their own rules as they see fit; refuse to negotiate with Congress, but a willingness to do so with our enemies; to change or ignore the laws to benefit them and not us. We also didn’t elect the President to sign executive orders to get his way just because Congress didn’t agree with him.

    (13) Never have we had a President who used such tactics to harm and hurt the people and this country. Never have we had a President who spoke with a caustic, evil tongue against the citizenry. Never, in this country, have we experienced how much stress one man can cause a nation of people – on a daily basis! (Obama has promoted the degeneration of peace, civility, and quality of cooperation between us. He thrives on tearing us down, rather than building us up. He is the Architect of the decline of America and the changing of our Democratic Republic into a Marxist/Socialist State).

    (14) The only President in HISTORY to spend millions of dollars to seal all his records and produce a questionable birth certificate. The unanswered question…WHY?

    • Ted

      Wouldn’t be great if being verbose AND inaccurate meant you were actually right? You say Obama’s an “imposter” which makes you an Orly Taitz Birther. You say he’s a commie which makes you a Bircher. Clearly, you’re one of those whack job, Alex Smith devotees who mindlessly gobbles up those rt wing nut, propagandist, lie filled, chain emails that attempt to demonize your President.

      To wit: You regurgitated the absurd and fatuous ad populem assertion that Obama spent millions covering up his school records. Sit down and buckle up because it’s gonna get bumpy for you. Ready? Obama spent same amount of money to seal his records as I did. ZERO! Had you ever set foot in a college you’d know that all college records are confidential subject to the written release of the respective student. How freaking gullible can you be? And that begs the question how many other of those, unvetted, untrue, nut bag chain emails have you stupidly accept as fact? I started counting and vetting them and got up to 53 straight before I stopped due to how pointless and bogus they were. You, however, are unfettered by any standards of truth and have demonstrated that proclivity relentlessly here. Well done!

      • nkqx57a

        Then answer this…Why is there no paper trail of Obama, no credit history, and if he had nothing to hide; why doesn’t he produce the records and documentation to prove without a doubt who, what, when, where, and why he is.???

        • Ted

          So, you don’t argue with the idea that you’re a Birther and a Bircher? Do you also believe that Obama’s also a Muslim and the anti-Christ as 20% of cons polled believe?

          You simply want an answer to what another of those bogus, anti-Obama, chain emails allege? Ok, then try this? Explain the birth announcements in Hawaii in 1961? What was the single, first thing President George W. Bush did when he took office? Yep, he sealed all his records just like Obama did 8 years after him. Google it and see? As President, why open yourself to scurrilous, partisan attacks from the opposing side that have no upside and serve only to be a distraction? Answer: you don’t.

          And who says there’s no paper trail for Obama, another of those bogus, chain emails that all start with “Look what Obama’s done now!” and end with the conspiracist nonsense, “Pass this on as the liberal media won’t!” Then after you fact check it, you realize that the reason the media won’t pass these on is that they’re full of……..well, lets say “lies”. I like the ones that say, “Even Snopes says it’s true!” While yet another bogus chain email claims Snopes can’t be believed. The only thing your side agrees on is that they hate and fear Obama. And anything they come across that feeds into that narrative is mindlessly believed. I’ve never seen anything like it going back to 1964. It’s a shame.

          • nkqx57a

            I don’t argue…

            I am neither BIRTHER, nor BIRCHER…

            I do not HATE nor FEAR Obama…

            I really do not know what he is…however, I do know this…he is not a Christian…by word and deed!

          • Ted

            You say you don’t argue…..but then you make these drive by, baseless, bombastic, extremist assertions that would make a whack job like Alex Smith (no offense) proud. Then you claim your President’s an imposter but that you’re not a Birther. Ok there Joe Arpaio, what makes him an imposter? Having no facts you neglect to say so prove it? The use of critical thinking skills need to kick in at some point on your part here.

            And you call your President a communist but are in denial about sharing Bircher beliefs. Then I ask you if you think he’s a Muslim and you dodge the question but claim to KNOW he’s not a Christian by words and deeds? Ok, make your case? What words and what deeds? More of those bogus rt wing nut chain emails that you and your side swallows hook, line and sinker? Or that Youtube hachet job video that your fringe end of the fringe end claims proves it? Yeah, I’ve seen that one too and it still makes me laugh as I rolled on the floor. Ten minutes worth of him addressing Muslim groups etc or being interviewed by George Stephanopoulis. Only the KKK types thought he was admitting to being a Muslim.

            And how coincidental that the fist Prez in US history to have his citizenship and his religion questioned also just happens to be our first black one? How many coincidences add up to a fact?

  • Sheila Warner

    This topic has been beaten to death. Whoever out there in forum land has sent me a message, I have good news for you. You get the last word. I am finished with this topic. Time to move on.

    • Joe Adams

      Dearie, please take yourself upstairs and have a nice long nap. Conservative attacks on Obama have only just begun.

      • Ted

        Sheila expressed the idea that there’s no racism on the rt anymore, I wonder if she feels the same way about sexist comments after being called, “Dearie”?

        • Sheila Warner

          Nope

          • Ted

            Really? The whole post was very insulting and condescending to you. It sounded sexist and ageist re: taking a nap, Dearie. Odd you missed that.

          • Sheila Warner

            I missed nothing. “Dearie” “Sweetie” “Honey”, etc. don’t get my panties in a knot. I have much thicker skin than that, for crying out loud. I’m hardly a PC person. If one looks for insults everywhere, then perhaps the public arena of debate isn’t the right place for him to peruse. Notice the proper use of the pronoun, here, just as I learned it in English. A singular description warrants a singular pronoun, and as far as I know, the default pronoun is still male. Although I do occasionally use s/he for those who are gender oriented, as I don’t want to give bait that will muddy the waters. I heard you love to fish. I believe it, because you have quite a bit of bait within your comments often. You seem to thrive on starting controversies where there are none to be had.

        • Sheila Warner

          Needs clarification. Dearie isn’t sexist. It’s only sarcasm.

  • wally12

    Amen Bernie.

  • keith hart

    WASHINGTON – January 1 is a moment of truth for Obamacare.

    It marks the final deadline for most Americans to sign up for health insurance under President Barack Obama’s 2010 Affordable Care Act, popularly known as Obamacare, if they don’t, they can expect a late night knock on their door and be taken to a temporary holding area where they will be transported to a rehabilitation camp for six months of re-education.

    If enough people – and the right mix of young and old – do not enroll, expect President Obama to implement executives orders initiating procedures which will begin widespread property confiscation and the relocation of large numbers of people to ‘moral responsibility’ adjustment camps.

    The deadline caps a turbulent roll-out this year for Obamacare and frustrating President Obama’s attempt for a relaxing Hawaiian holiday vacation.

    Despite the continuing problems, the administration is expressing confidence that Obamacare is getting back on track or the American people will hope they responded more obediently and quickly to all this wonderful change.

    • Ted

      And you seemed to be doing so well, too in dealing with your Alex Smith, Glenn Bleccch, Rash Windbag, Sean Inanity, NRA quality paranoia. You speciously and bizarrely claim education camps is where people will be forced to go when you say the Gov will take people away in the middle of the night. Wow! What’s next those absurd, BS death panels that Palin kept wailing about? Nailed it!

      • keith hart

        Ted, never heard of him ……..

        • Ted

          Yep, and you’ve also never heard of logic, reasoning or the use of and belief in facts. Re-education camps and late night knocks on doors? Comments like those reveal what a complete whackjob you really are. Thx for the candor. Lastly, you and your ilk thinks it can dismiss whatever facts it doesn’t like or know merely because it doesn’t like or know them which is typical of extremist nutbags like you. Oh, and Merry Xmas. Hopefully you won’t be too paranoid to open your gifts.

          • keith hart

            Merry Christmas, Ted

          • Ted

            Hopefully you can enjoy Xmas at that FEMA re-education camp where you currently reside.

      • Joe Adams

        Ted, you might be part of the nut bag yourself if you didn’t realize that.Keith was using hyperbole as satire to illustrate the very real, everyday threat of gov’t force to bend the populace to its decree. During my 78 years, i have never seen the present level of gov’t threat and coersion that exist today from all levels of gov’t, from local & state police on up. I prefer to remain free to make my own decisions about my life.

        You sound like an “Obama is my saviuor” kind of person. That is your right. Whatever, it is not necessary to hate Obama to realize that he believes in your messiah complex. All presidents are narcissistic and self centered. This one seems to be willing to destroy our country in order to achieve his misbegotten ideals.

        • I Hate Fascists

          Not necessary to hate Obama? No but it helps. And you do hate him? DON’T YOU!!!

        • Ted

          Hyperbolic satire about education camps and late night knocks on the door et al? Not a chance! He was/is as serious as a heart attack proving how easy it is to sell fear to the fearful and paranoia to the paranoid. Why is it the octogenarians are the one’s most freaked out by Obama and things like gay marriage. The sooner people like that gone-the better! And then you attempt to read my mind be saying I think Obama’s the messiah? How ironic that 20% of the cons in a recent poll chose the answer stating that your President is the anti-Christ.

          And here’s what I’VE never seen before going back to Johnson-Goldwater in 1964. And that is this the unprecedented 24/7, rt wing nut, propaganda, internet, chain emails being gleefully and thoughtlessly circulated without vetting and relentlessly accepted as unquestioned fact(s).

          And speaking of hyperbolic rhetoric on your part, exactly how is Obama trying to “destroy” America? Take all the time you need and feel free to use both sides of the paper. That last comment is what’s known as satire.

    • IHF

      What mental hospital did you escape from? You psychotic knucklehead.

      • keith hart

        Merry Christmas IHF

  • IHF

    Well now Keith Hart — Since this is the first sensible thing you have said since you burst upon the scene, let me explain it to you. They must silence me because I know their game better than they do. Which is to say that they are a Koch Bros subsidiary existing for no other purpose but to ignite hatred of liberals in general and Obama in particular in feeble minded cult followers looking for a cult to follow. That this cesspool has attracted such luminaries as Daly, a failed programmer; Webb who is in a perpetual drunken stupor and has no idea what he is reading or writing; Perlutsky, I have no words to describe him but he hasn’t been heard from in weeks so maybe he has either dropped dead or been fired, hopefully both; Goldberg himself who left CBS under murky circumstances. Losers all who have gravitated to this foreign legion of sorts. That their vision is a “democracy” Russia or Iran style of by and for a handful of billionaires. That the right wing is a hate group united in hatred, misery, and stupidity. Now here is what YOU need to know. Hatred is inbred in this sick bunch. They cannot stop hating any more than rabbits can stop multiplying. And so when there is no one left to hate they must necessarily turn their hatred inward. And the target will be those few who do not look like them. And that means YOU my hateful homeboy.

    • keith hart

      zzzz
      you guys in the moderator’s room — rise and shine.
      IHF — banned — comes and goes on this site as he pleases, some ban, huh? And stays on for as long as he likes — hours.

      Why not just lift the ban on IHF — save yourself all that egg?

      under no circumstances lift that ban.

      I had a visit awhile ago — somewhat lengthy. No invective, no vile ranting; rather, the chilling persuasiveness, seething with rage of the cunningly insane.

      I do believe I was offered a beer by the devil — on Christmas eve no less. This is only politics. What does he do when someone cuts him off in traffic. Of course a dozen posts down he was ripping my strawman to Sheila. This boy is barking…

      • IHF

        What is your message of peace and love for the world?

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        Believe it or not, Keith, some of us have better things to do on Christmas Eve than spend our time on moron-watch for some attention-starved Internet troll who has no life.

        I was busy enjoying a great dinner with close friends, and later watching my children excitedly open their Christmas presents.

        If those actions caused me to postpone the deletion of an inconsequential, self-loathing buffoon’s web-posts, I’ve got to be honest with you: I don’t really care.

        I’ll consider it my Christmas present to “I Hate Fascists” because lord knows, he has very little in his life to feel good about.

  • IHF

    We’ll now Keith Hart — Since this is the first sensible thing you have said since you burst upon the scene, let me explain it to you. They must silence me because I know their game better than they do. Which is to say that they are a Koch Bros subsidiary existing for no other purpose but to ignite hatred of liberals in general and Obama in particular in feeble minded cult followers looking for a cult to follow. That this cesspool has attracted such luminaries as Daly, a failed programmer; Webb who is in a perpetual drunken stupor and has no idea what he is reading or writing; Perlutsky, I have no words to describe him but he hasn’t been heard from in weeks so maybe he has either dropped dead or been fired, hopefully both; Goldberg himself who left CBS under murky circumstances. Losers all who have gravitated to this foreign legion of sorts. That their vision is a “democracy” Russia or Iran style of by and for a handful of billionaires. That the right wing is a hate group united in hatred, misery, and stupidity. Now here is what YOU need to know. Hatred is inbred in this sick bunch. They cannot stop hating any more than rabbits can stop multiplying. And so when there is no one left to hate they must necessarily turn their hatred inward. And the target will be those few who do not look like them. And that means YOU my hateful homeboy.

  • keith hart

    Tier 1 leaders should not be numbers droning bean counters rattling off endless budgetary facts and figures with way too much ease so as to give the impression that’s all there is to them. Barely pausing for a breath until their long lost listeners’ eyes glaze over and their hair begins to hurt.

    Political parties who believe these are their kind of leaders will not be winning elections anytime soon.

    The American electorate will no more put faith in such ‘leaders’ than they would trust some one who squanders a dollar to save a dime.

    Do you get that republican party? No, I don’t suppose you do. The House victory in 2010 was not the republican party’s doing. It was the populace groundswell.

    Tier 1 leaders speak truth-in-action to each and every individual in large numbers gathered to hear. What they hear rings true because it is true. Tier 1 leaders bring a clarity to reality that’s instantly recognizable, free from ambivalence, equivocation and doubt. And the electorate sees it, senses it viscerally and it is inspiring.

    Tier 1 leaders raise people to their feet and blow the doors off their hinges. They don’t make people’s hair hurt.

    Are there any such republicans around? Or are they a party of dissatisfied bean counters. Does it take a grass roots groundswell of something new — as yet hinted at — suddenly to arise. Another Berlin Wall rush and push to bring forth tier 1 leaders capable of inspiration.

    Inspiring a Nation of citizens to do for their country. Bringing forward their exceptional heritage into the future. Transforming catastrophic crisis into extraordinary opportunity — faster than imagined.

    Should such leaders come on the scene, they will be instantly recognizable by all. Because they will stand in stark contrast to the foulest of drek the American electorate is now enduring.

    Tier 2 leaders are the guys standing around the individual at the podium with all the numbers at their fingertips.

    • IHF

      We already have one. His name is Barack Hussein Obama. And his leadership has given us universal health care, a growing economy, divesting Syria of its chemical weapons, statesmanship in Iran, China, and Palestinian crises. All of which in spite of having to fight the right wing and their cynical attempts to nullify his presidency.

    • IHF

      A Tier 1 leader? We already have one. His name is Barack Hussein Obama. And his leadership has given us universal health care, a growing economy, divesting Syria of its chemical weapons, statesmanship in Iran, China, and Palestinian crises. All of which in spite of having to fight the right wing and their cynical attempts to nullify his presidency.

    • Sheila Warner

      For some reason some of the reply buttons are missing here, so, just to let you know, this is in reply to your comment about my being attacked on Christmas Eve. I stopped going online over Christmas, and, frankly, I believe that IHF’s words spoke so much for themselves, that it was like shooting fish in a barrel communicating with him/her. As I’ve said before, I’m a tough cookie and I don’t take one world of what IHF says seriously. I hope you had a great Christmas. I spent it with my family, and it was a day of rest and (mostly) relaxation.

  • keith hart

    Tier 1 leaders should not be numbers droning bean counters rattling off endless budgetary facts and figures with way too much ease so as to give the impression that’s all there is to them. Barely pausing for a breath until their long lost listeners’ eyes glaze over and their hair begins to hurt.

    Political parties who believe these are their kind of leaders will not be winning elections anytime soon.

    The American electorate will no more put faith in such ‘leaders’ than they would trust some one who squanders a dollar to save a dime.

    Do you get that republican party? No, I don’t suppose you do. The House victory in 2010 was not the republican party’s doing. It was the populace groundswell.

    Tier 1 leaders speak truth-in-action to each and every individual in large numbers gathered to hear. What they hear rings true because it is true. Tier 1 leaders bring a clarity to reality that’s instantly recognizable, free from ambivalence, equivocation and doubt. And the electorate sees it, senses it viscerally and it is inspiring.

    Tier 1 leaders raise people to their feet and blow the doors off their hinges. They don’t make people’s hair hurt.

    Are there any such republicans around? Or are they a party of dissatisfied bean counters? Does it take a grass roots groundswell of something new — as yet hinted at — suddenly to arise. Another Berlin Wall rush and push to bring forth tier 1 leaders capable of inspiration.

    Inspiring a Nation of citizens to do for their country. Bringing forward their exceptional heritage into the future. Transforming catastrophic crisis into extraordinary opportunity — faster than imagined.

    Should such leaders come on the scene, they will be instantly recognizable by all. Because they will stand in stark contrast to the foulest of drek the American electorate is now enduring.

    Tier 2 leaders are the guys standing around the individual at the podium with all the numbers at their fingertips.

    • Sheila Warner

      Nice comment. Have a Merry Christmas!

      • keith hart

        Thank you, Sheila. And you and your family have a very Merry Christmas.

      • IHF

        Nice Comment? This from you who are so upset by the proliferation of profane, obscene, ad hominem attacks on this cesspool of a website? Recall that this is the very same Keith Hart who burst upon the scene attacking everyone left and right, including yourself. And that I put him in his place and he went whining to Daly how I “flussed” him. And now you want to be his mama? All due respect ma’am, but if you want to gratify his overinflated ego and encourage his diva fits and narcissistic behavior then that is on you.

      • IHF

        Nice Comment? This from you who are so upset by the proliferation of profane, obscene, ad hominem attacks on this cesspool of a website? Recall that this is the very same Keith Hart who burst upon the scene attacking everyone left and right, including yourself. And that I put him in his place and he went whining to Daly how I “flussed” him. And now you want to be his mama? All due respect ma’am, but if you want to gratify his overinflated ego and encourage his diva fits and narcissistic behavior then that is on you.

        • Sheila Warner

          Here is Keith’s nice comment. Feel free to point out which portion proliferates profanity, obscenity or ad hominem attacks. “Tier 1 leaders should not be numbers droning bean counters rattling off endless budgetary facts and figures with way too much ease so as to give the impression that’s all there is to them. Barely pausing for a breath until their long lost listeners’ eyes glaze over and their hair begins to hurt.

          Political parties who believe these are their kind of leaders will not be winning elections anytime soon.

          The American electorate will no more put faith in such ‘leaders’ than they would trust some one who squanders a dollar to save a dime.

          Do you get that republican party? No, I don’t suppose you do. The House victory in 2010 was not the republican party’s doing. It was the populace groundswell.

          Tier 1 leaders speak truth-in-action to each and every individual in large numbers gathered to hear. What they hear rings true because it is true. Tier 1 leaders bring a clarity to reality that’s instantly recognizable, free from ambivalence, equivocation and doubt. And the electorate sees it, senses it viscerally and it is inspiring.

          Tier 1 leaders raise people to their feet and blow the doors off their hinges. They don’t make people’s hair hurt.

          Are there any such republicans around? Or are they a party of dissatisfied bean counters. Does it take a grass roots groundswell of something new — as yet hinted at — suddenly to arise. Another Berlin Wall rush and push to bring forth tier 1 leaders capable of inspiration.

          Inspiring a Nation of citizens to do for their country. Bringing forward their exceptional heritage into the future. Transforming catastrophic crisis into extraordinary opportunity — faster than imagined.

          Should such leaders come on the scene, they will be instantly recognizable by all. Because they will stand in stark contrast to the foulest of drek the American electorate is now enduring.

          Tier 2 leaders are the guys standing around the individual at the podium with all the numbers at their fingertips.”

          As I said, nice comment. Don’t try to attach yourself to me. I’ve seen your posts and I am not interested.

          • IHF

            How about the part about “dogsh3t on a shoe”? My apologies, I just presumed that the “nice comment” referred to the comment that you replied to. No doubt you recall the abuse he heaped upon you and everyone else until I shut him up. Don’t attach myself to you? This is the gratitude I get? Listen up Grandma. I am happily married and have no need to attach myself to you.

          • keith hart

            Sheila, see how quick his calm reasoning flares into seething rage. a little spooky isn’t it. This is only politics. What does he do if someone cuts him off in traffic?

          • keith hart

            Sheila, I had a visit awhile ago — somewhat lengthy. No invective, no vile ranting; rather, the chilling persuasiveness, seething with rage of the cunningly insane.

            I do believe I was offered a beer by the devil — on Christmas eve no less. This is only politics. What does he do when someone cuts him off in traffic. Of course a dozen posts down he was ripping my strawman to you. This boy is barking…

  • IHF

    Goldberg your website is a cesspool. You should be very proud to have your name on it.

  • keith hart

    Before your 2nd post gets deleted, I wanted to get it copied and show everyone what a pansy squid you really are?

    This comment was deleted.

    keith hart >>>> I Hate Fascists
    an hour ago
    Merry Christmas
    HO Ho Ho Ha Ha Ha
    Am I really on your very last raw nerve?
    Say it’s so — section 8 pansy.

    Va’ a fare in culo

    I Hate Fascists >>>> keith hart
    43 minutes ago
    As a matter of fact I couldn’t care less. You are one fkdup individual. You should switch to Obamacare because your concierge health care obviously does not cover your schizophrenia. Do you talk that way in bed?

    • IHF

      Flattery will get you nowhere twinkletwat. Copy that.

      • T Ko

        Bye bye, Pedro.

  • fitzsimmons Photography

    Bravo again Bernie…..Why didn’t they also emphasize the list of horrific lies Benghazi, Mitt Romney,the made up statistics that he keeps bragging about?

    • Ted

      Boy, good point! Because if as you say Bernie ever does a list of those “horrific” lies from Mitt Romney’s last campaign, Bernie better leave enough space for two columns! And how refreshing would it be if a conservative ever held a conservative politician accountable! Yeah, like that’s ever gonna happen. Pfffft!

      • keith hart

        So, Ted is IHF one of your buddies?

        • T Ko

          See??? And Silverfish probably hangs from that same limb. Just sayin’.

          • keith hart

            T, Merry Christmas, my friend.

          • T Ko

            And…have a Very Merry Christmas to you as well, K!

            I have enjoyed sharing comments and exchanges with you–maybe I’ll get it right in 2014! :-)

          • keith hart

            T, I’m sure you will. You’re doing fine, in my book.

          • D Parri

            Thanks, friend.

          • T Ko

            Thanks, friends…one and all!

          • T Ko

            K, just to let you know, I was banned temporarily from the website…said it was a problem with Disqus.

            Maybe…but I didn’t like gettin’ knocked off. RU on Twitter? I looked for you but didn’t find you–there’s lots of K Hart’s.

            Anyway, let me know if you are gonna’ post anymore.

        • Ted

          Never heard of him but I think it’s great when you rt wing nuts demonstrate your negative, untrusting and conspiracist natures. If you clowns were have as smart as you wish you were you wouldn’t be looking for bogey men. Guess it’s just the nature of the beast. As for Phil he’s from south Orange County while I’m from the north. Keep looking for bogey men and see bow stupid you look? Ooops, too late!

          • keith hart

            You’re on this website regularly. You say you never heard of IHF. Liar. Obvious, stupid liar — contemptibly telling us you don’t care we know you are lying. Just like Obama in that regard.

            So, IHF is your buddy.

            It’s unavoidable not to notice, when IHF sneaks onto this website looking for some affirmation, he attaches himself to your posts.

          • Ted

            Consume dirt dipsquat! I’ve been on this site a cpl of weeks. If someone agrees with me then good for them. Funny how you freaked rt wingnuts can’t wait to display your incredibly fear based and suspicious natures whlie believing the facts are only what you think they are when they fit your narrow minded narrative. That little habit is your sine qua non. I liked the Repub party so much better when facts had meaning. Of course to your fringe end of the fringe end they’ve never mattered. They’re just something to be denied or lied about like you do.

          • keith hart

            Ted, you really should stop short of actual convulsions. You be sure to tell me when I’m on your very last raw nerve.

            It’s still unavoidable not to notice, when IHF sneaks onto this website looking for some affirmation, he attaches himself to your posts.

          • Ted

            So clearly you’re saying he’s bright guy. Got it!

          • keith hart

            Looks like the alcohol is taking effect

          • I Hate Fascists

            You want something from me jerkoff? I’m right here let’s hear it. Or are you going to go whining to Daly like before “Oh John!!! I love it when you are so THERE for me!!!”. Still waiting to hear more of your delusional adventures at Gettysburg and your encounters with Mandela at JFK! How on earth did he not recognize you, you who are the most interesting man in the world???!!!

          • keith hart

            Merry Christmas

          • I Hate Fascists

            As a matter of fact I couldn’t care less. You are one fkdup individual. You should switch to Obamacare because your concierge health care obviously does not cover your schizophrenia. Do you talk that way in bed?

          • T Ko

            Yeah, bright if you are looking out the back of a rectum…Spanko.

          • Ted

            Who do you see from there when you do it? I mean besides the dildo you put there.

          • T Ko

            My, my, aren’t we the slight bit touchy? Spanky, I told you before, Richard just did not like the way you always gave him head…SHAME!

          • T Ko

            So, you liked the GOP until me and Keith…how awful. Waaah…Waaah…Waaah! You break my heart, dildo.

          • Ted

            You have a lot of class. All of it second. Don’t forget
            to remove that fake phallus from your culo before putting it tu boca. Enjoy!

          • T Ko

            Can’t speak plainly right now, Spanky? Well, quit tryin’ to give Richard more head while typing! Geeezz!!!

          • T Ko

            Remember what I said, K, the IHF, PLS, Ted, LE, all hang from the same branch. The merdique branch.

          • Ted

            Consume dirt and expire. Period. End of story.

          • Ted

            My first thought was “What an absurd thing to get ur panties in a wad over”…..But then I realized with whom I was dealing and it began to make sense. Now, in no way does a paranoid, hardcore dirtbag like u even deserve answer but here goes.

            Had I figured out what the acronym IHF meant my answer would’ve still been about the same, nimrod. See if u can stay w/ this. IHF and I are philosophically and politicaly aligned and nothing more. You idiots think I’m Phil Silverman for heaven’s sake. This site is the first site IHF and I crossed paths.

          • T Ko

            “If you clowns were have as smart…” (sic)

            Just how do you “have as smart” there, Spanky? That sounds dumb….!

      • George Williams

        Just what “horrific” lies did Romney make, little parrot? You’re a piece of work. You’re the liar, a provocateur, but why should that surprise us, as you serve a master that lied to 300 million concerning Obamacare.

        • Ted

          You really don’t know? Wow, you’re even less informed and partisanly stupid than even I suspected!

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I’ve always believed Romney to be a bit of a phony (politically anyway), but like George, I’m interested in which of his lies you believe were “horrific,” especially in comparison to the ultra-consequential whoppers told repeatedly by our current president.

          • legal eagle

            Merry Christmas John

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Merry Christmas to you!!!

          • IHF

            Merry Christmas Yoko

        • Ted

          A geezer like you should be careful so as not to have a stroke…. Whew!! Were I your age I’d stay in bed at all times so you don’t break any bones due to you no doubt having osteoporosis. Of course, the fact that you also keep forgetting you have Alzheimers means you wouldn’t remember it anyway.

  • Ken Green

    I’m going to go out on a limb here and bet that T KO and Keith Hart are both unemployed and are beneficiaries of the very same government handouts that they are so vitriolic about.

    • keith hart

      You one of those gambling addicts?
      My HC is concierge.

      • NOT IHF

        Tell us more about your adventures at Gettysburg and your conversations with Mandela! You are the most interesting man in the world!

    • T Ko

      Please, go ahead, how about a little further out on that limb, Silverfish, IHF, Ted, Weasel, whatever you latest mask is gonna’ be.

  • keith hart

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was released from the hospital after being diagnosed as morally exhausted and was cleared to return to work, a statement from his office said on Friday.

    Reid, 74, had gone to the hospital as a precaution. “The doctors diagnosed him as morally exhausted, not anything more serious other than a slight touch of intellectual bankruptcy, but, that was to be expected, and have cleared him to go back to work,” the statement said.

    The Nevada Democrat missed several key Senate votes, as lawmakers realized they were better off with out him and wrapped up their work early before the holiday break.

    Senate Assistant Majority Leader Richard Durbin earlier said that he had spoken with Reid when he found Harry wandering the parking lot asking passers-by if they had seen his integrity.

    • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

      Haha! That’s good. Is Reid really only 74? He looks a lot older.

    • T Ko

      I read just recently that Good ol’ Harry had filed an alien siting report. Yeah, he had stumbled across something he had never seen before–honesty.

  • http://www.charlene.cc/ Charlene

    The ACA changes so much and often, so how do we know for sure Obama was lying? It may have been the truth back then! lol

    • T Ko

      Sorry, Char, it ain’t even possible. I am no genius, but I predicted this outcome when they first announced it. The business model is flawed and totally incapable of doing what they said.

      Now, do you think that they weren’t at least as smart as me? Heaven help us if that is the case.

      • Ted

        “I’m no genius” “heaven help us”. Amen to that! I was surprised that you were smart enough to realize your cranial flatulence. Well done, sir. You’ve just moved up from idiot to merely being a moron. They’re sort of like Cub Scount badges. Next stop for you is imbecile.

        • T Ko

          Hey, coming from you, Spanky, that’s a real honor! Thanks a bunch….

          • Ted

            What a creepy thought. Better wipeoff and wash your hands.

          • T Ko

            And if anyone knows “Creepy”, it you. Well, I wash my hands many times every day, there, Spanko. I believe that smell must be coming from your upper lip. Nasty!!!

  • keith hart

    legal eagle >>>> keith hart
    a day ago
    So now I am an anti-Semitic, Jewish ………………. .

    So, you claim — if so, more’s the pity. I don’t know that. I’m not taking your word for it.

    You think a Jewish anti-Semite is irrational? Come to Columbia university and meet hundreds of them.

    What I know of you is here in this forum. You are a vulgar misogynist and anti-Semite.

    Your usual squirm — ‘if you can’t interpret my sarcasm’.

    You try to veil it — Slick. Like a true leftie veils his agenda. But it still shows. You deny the veil, when you’re called out. I suppose that’s how you got the ‘handle’ weasel.

    How’s this for the use of a veil:
    Your premises are so echoing and conclusions so resounding, it just naturally follows you should walk into a hollow point, somewhere in that logic of yours.

    You misogynist, anti-Semite morceau de merde.

    • T Ko

      Don’t know if you caught the exchange between JD and Zed, but apparently ol’ Spanky must be the reincarnated PLSiverman, aka, “silverfish”.

      • keith hart

        T Ko, I don’t know. It doesn’t sound like silverman — not saying one way or other. Just that silverman’s ‘signature’ — his style was different.

        • T Ko

          Yeah, I can’t say for sure, but John Daly seemed to think that he appeared to be. All I know is that merdique-Ted acts a whole lot like Silverfish.

          • keith hart

            their writing styles are different.

          • T Ko

            That’s actually pretty easy.

        • T Ko

          Hey, here’s another one, ‘Pedro Pingo’. This one is “IHateFacists”, a jerk that has been banned from this site but slips in every day by changing his ID.

          He is currently disparaging you and I, but I’ve flagged his comments and sent a warning to John.

          • Sheila Warner

            PP needs to be banned. His comments are beyond the pale–profane, obscene ad hominem attacks. They show up in my feed all the time, before they are deleted. Disgusting stuff, not for public forum.

          • T Ko

            John took care of it. PP made some nasty comments but they are now deleted. It was IHF again.

          • T Ko

            Also, keep in mind that IHF changes his screen ID, but he is always the same. Also, he comes back every day and he is usually non-discriminatory in who he attacks–provided that they are conservative.

        • Ted

          Duh, ya think?

          • keith hart

            So, is IHF one of your buddies?

          • T Ko

            No reply, right?

          • Ted

            The answer’s no cabeza de Ricardo. Let me know when your pea brain cracks the code, douche?

          • T Ko

            Oh, did Richard pee on your head again, Spanky? Was that when you gave him head the last time or the time before?

          • T Ko

            Duuuh, yeauuhhh.

  • keith hart

    This Comment Was Deleted — almost.

    Here’s a recap of yesterday afternoon’s action in the forum for those who might have missed it buried in the batch.

    legal eagle >>>> Jeff Webb
    Of course none of those you mentioned were Dems or black…So to receive your “deference” you probably will have to be Republican and white?

     Jeff Webb >>>> legal eagle
    If you take the comment down in the next 24 hours, LE, I’ll forget you posted it. If you don’t, it will be taken down for you, and you’ll get more than just a warning the next time you race-card me.

    keith hart >>>> legal eagle
    3 hours to go

    legal eagle >>>> keith hart
    You either need to get a life or get back on your medication…..I realize your obsessed with Ted and myself but you probably need a different obsession…try golfing..

    keith hart >>>> legal eagle
    Obsession? Hmm. Interesting concept
    Have a serving of your own dish.
    How’s your appetite?

    keith hart >>>> legal eagle
    Have a serving of your own dish.
    2 hours to go.
    You anti-Semite

    keith hart >>>> legal eagle
    How about showing some of that ‘empathy’ you mention…… that apology to Sheila for that vulgar slob slur?
    Now would be a good time.
    1 hour to go.
    you misogynist, anti-Semite.

    Jeff Webb >>>> legal eagle
    LE,
    Am I correct in assuming you figured out the edit option?
    Regarding your last comment:
    >>If it offends you so much do whatever is necessary that will let you relax….I’m not offended when people, on this site, call me names but if you are offended by something you feel I meant then take it down<>>> Jeff Webb
    Jeff, do you like Hemingway? I always liked Hemingway ….because he wrote so well. What was the name of that reminiscent? About Paris in the 20′s …. A Moveable …….Moveable ……..Line. Wasn’t it?

    legal eagle >>>> Jeff Webb
    So you personally have a “strict policy” on being race carded? Any other rules that you want to let me know about? If you can’t interpret sarcasm the way it’s intended I’m not sure I can be of assistance…..As most would give deference to the office of POTUS regardless of who was in it I can only assume you have an irrational dislike of this POTUS for reasons only known to you…

    That’s Slick’s usual squirm — ‘if you can’t interpret his sarcasm’.

    Allow me a venture, it came down from above — l.e.’s 2,562 posts are too important to the website?

    • T Ko

      Weasels are known for their ‘squirm’.

  • D Parri

    MEASUREMENT
    It appears that this is one of the most thought-provoking issues encountered on this site yet.

    I would have predicted that when people find that they have been lied to, then there is an innate response that we all experience–betrayal. This becomes a very difficult situation to deal with when it involves the chief executive of your nation…the assumed protector of us ‘common folk’.

    If it ever becomes necessary to face the prospect of having been betrayed by our leaders–and protectors, then it is always many times harder in finally acknowledging that it has actually happened.

    In discerning the increasingly difficult measure of truth as espoused in the political environs, it inevitably becomes critical to that determination to measure the ‘word’ against the ‘action’. Actions are what we are all judged upon in our careers, social lives, and assumedly, the political careers–and integrity–of our leaders.

    Where do you place Barack Obama as a politician and leader when measured against the standard of your expectation and the outcome of his actions?

    • George Williams

      We wouldn’t find ouselves in the situation we’re in if the Democratic Senate weren’t as corrupt as Obama. It wouldn’t be so bad but the courts refuse to give the House standing in challenging the crimes of this presidency. If our own Legislative Branch has no standing to charge Obama, we are lost, and the courts have doomed us to tyranny. The only good outcome from this is that the court of last resort has spoken indirectly, as Ginsberg refuses to give up her seat for Obama’s sake, in spite of nudging from the left. Two Obama toadies are enough for a Court that apparently recognizes what a terrible and corrupt presidency that the nation has to endure for three more years.

      • D Parri

        G, historically it has been as a pendulum, swinging to and fro when it comes to power swings and the major parties of our political investment.

        I predict a swing in 2014 which will result in a super-majority in the full Congress, and this swing will last throughout the first half of the first term of the next president to take office. Further, I’d expect to see a Republican president take office in 2016.

        This major change will result in improvements in the economy and a re-establishment of our national spirit which hasn’t been seen since the Carter/Reagan turnover.

        As these changes and improvements proceed, there will be a re-alignment of the executive/legislative/judicial branch structure and a clarification of the constitutional orientation which has sustained our nation for over 235 years.

        The singular-most positive influence that Obama’s legacy will bear out will be the necessity that he has visited upon our nation to re-examine critical principles upon which our government was established.

        • George Williams

          If Republicans can manage a period of prosperity after Obama, the contrast will be such that the Democrats will be thoroughly discredited for a long, long time and establsh a trust that would permit the needed reforms in entitlements. Perhaps we can even overcome the fear mongering that has permitted the Democrats to cause mistrust of capitalism and its ability to create the wealth and true financial security that Social Security has never mangaged.
          If we could establish a 6/3 conservative SCOTUS, we could effectively check the aggregious behavior of any subsequent Democratic wins for decades to come. Add a majority Senate, House and expanding Republican dominance in the governorships and state legislatures, and we have an opportunity to enact Mark Levine’s proposed amendments to the COTUS that would turn back the clock on the progressive Marxist Democrat subversion of the Founder’s intent, effectively doing away with that party’s raison d’etre, the ability to buy votes with socialist benefits……We can only dream.

          • Ted

            Yeah sure! And Romney will win the 2012 election by a landslide, too. Your predictions are what happens wishful thinking trumps critical thinking.

          • George Williams

            It’s universally known that Barack Obama lied to 300 million people about keeping their doctor and health care plan, and on his coattails came almost every one of the Democratic Senators who parroted the same same thing. Unfortunately for all of those newly exposed liars, millions are without insurance plans they were happy with, including most with good plans. Now that Obama has destroyed them, he’s giving permission for insurance companies to sell catastrophic plans that are bare bones by comparison. I think that it’s pretty safe to predict that the House and Senate have a good chanse of becoming veto proof bastions of the Republican Party, while Obama sits on the sidelines as Obamacare is repealed as well as much of Obama’s other legislation. Obanama, not just a lame duck, but a legless one. Duck stew anyone? ROFLO!

          • Ted

            Unfortunately for you the facts say otherwise. 8% approval rating and the alienation of minorities and women. The stupid party indeed. Keep
            on truckin like that and you’ get shellacked again.

          • T Ko

            Quack! Quack! If you look like a lame duck, act like a lame duck, talk like a lame duck…then you must be… Obama, 2014!

          • keith hart

            Ted >>>> T Ko

            If I inexplicably want your opinion I’ll give it to you.

            Ted reveals the core of leftist ideology.

          • T Ko

            Lies trump honesty…IF you are Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

            Stupidity trumps intelligence, and then Obama gets elected.

            Got any more words of wisdom Spanky?

          • Ted

            Wow, you’re a regular Voltaire! And I will defend to the death (yours, not mine) your right to your fear based and at times completely paranoid opinion.

          • T Ko

            You just really impress me, Spanky, I didn’t know someone could be that stupid. You are a master…uh, baiter? No, I’m sorry, bature!

          • Ted

            Wow, did you make that up all by yourself? Hold on, I need to sit down to fully appreciate the pithy and extistential nature and breadth of your comment.
            And yes, I type with a lisp so you’ll need to decypher the word pithy.
            Please let Georgie Boy know that his use of the word aggregious is actually spelled “egregious”. He only missed it by a couple of letters so he’s gaining on literacy.

          • T Ko

            That’s my Boy Ted, Master of Merde! Hang in there Spanky, you’ll get there someday.

          • Integrity

            A witty saying proves nothing – Voltaire. Your lack of wit says even less. QED

          • Ted

            Hey genius you didn’t think of it. But thx for calling it witty as finally we agree. And a witty saying is just that. The next clever thing you say will be your first. I won’t be holding my breath or anything else waiting for it.

          • T Ko

            You are so original…really, it’s sickening!

          • D Parri

            It is important to understand where our hope lies. It is not in following the same path that we have been on for too long.

            There is a reasonable purpose for entitlements, but the abuses of corruption and mismanagement inevitably lead to overspending, unchecked growth in government, and ultimately a very chilling effect on the economy as a result of increased taxes.

            There is a solid and well-founded base within the American electorate which will support those principles that can lead to a renewal of our economic prosperity, and the majority of that support is obviously located within the GOP.

            The biggest challenge at this juncture is to find the best leader, or leaders, to meet the demands that our nation will face in the next 10-15 years out.

          • Ted

            George, you’re kind of a female version of Ann Coulter aren’t you?

          • T Ko

            Been givin’ Richard head again there lately, Spanky?

      • Ted

        Ah, spoken like true Bircher/Birther. Dream on. Besides, at your age you won’t be around lomng enough to worry a out this “i want my country back BS”.

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Bircher? Are you even trying to hide who you are, Phil?

          • Ted

            Spoken like a true ideogue. Besides, Phil can speak for himself but thx for the compliment!

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            An ideologue? For making a simple observation? lol. Cute.

            Hey, I’m just glad you’re no longer threatening lawsuits. You’re growing up, kid.

          • T Ko

            Do ya’ think there’s hope for him?

          • T Ko

            JD, the latest IHF is “Pedro Pingo”, and I have flagged his comments.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Among several of his aliases this evening. The great thing about being a moderator is that I don’t even have to read his written diarrhea to know its him and delete his posts. I just wish everyone else could enjoy the same luxury. ;)

          • Mrs IHF

            You didn’t have to. But you did. Didn’t you!

          • Sheila Warner

            Me. too, John. I’m tired of obscenity in my feed. They show up before they are deleted. I think PP has demonstrated that he ought to be banned, What is he, like 10 years old?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            No. He just has a child’s mind. We banned him several months ago actually, but he keeps coming back under different names and IP addresses.

            Why is he so determined, you might ask? He apparently has an ultra-fragile ego that won’t let him accept defeat in the form of first getting his butt kicked routinely in debate, and later getting banned for vulgarity and posing as this website’s writers for the purpose of posting racist comments in their names.

            We gave him far more leeway than any other moderated website would have, but we lost both patience and sympathy for him.

            If he wants to continue acting out his little comic-book villain fetishes on this website, I’m more than happy to just keep deleting his drivel.

          • keith hart

            ‘ideogue’? What’s an ‘ideogue? ‘cheval merde’ Ted.

          • T Ko

            Hey, Spanko, that wasn’t a compliment–unless you enjoy looking like an idiot. Oh yeah…you do. ☻

          • T Ko

            He has carried the PLS rhetoric from day one.

            JD, please understand that my engagement with him in this manner is only because I get so tired of having idiots like him continually snipe at honest people trying to carry on an honest conversation.

            Therefore, I try to give him a bigger dose of his own medicine. At least it has made it clear to others what Zed is attempting to do. And he remains clueless.

          • Ted

            And here I thought I was Phil…..

          • T Ko

            Phil…Jill…Bill…Pill…oh heck, merde is merde, no matter how you cut it.

        • keith hart

          The advantage of your dull wittedness to you is you stumble thru one gaffe after another unaware of how much a fool you appear to be. Heh…heh…heh. You’re an embarrassment to your own lefties.

        • keith hart

          Looks like the alcohol is taking effect.

        • T Ko

          Mainly because of bad dreams like you Spanky.

    • keith hart

      D Parri >>>> keith hart
      6 days ago

      ” ………………. Legal Weasel is best left to his own rants–by himself. Ignoring him works best.”

      D, in light of recent events, my conclusion that l.e. is a paid disruptor by a soros media group may be off target.

      Still, his 2592 posts is a glaring anomaly.

      Maybe, his payor is a little closer to home — serving the function of stirring the pot, the spice added to the stew, generating sensation and interest, increasing post volume — the casino shill.

      Politics is politics. But, bottomline, business is business.

      That volume of 2,592 posts is difficult to explain away. As well as the manner in which he chooses to post.

      In light of this, perhaps, the site — the forum — does not need defending against a disruptor.

      And your advise to ignore him stands.

      Still, it’s difficult to walk past a punching bag and not get a little light workout in.

      Merry Christmas, my friend.

      • D Parri

        K, I appreciate the Christmas wishes and I would like to wish you a very Merry and Joyous Christmas holiday, as we celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ, our Savior.

        I seem to remember a discussion that indicated you might be Christian by faith, but if not then please do not take this as anything other than a wish for Good Will and Best Wishes to you and yours.

        Merry Christmas!

      • Ted

        2592 posts? Is that all? Geez , w/ his penchant for having “last worditis” Tko must have this dubious record for verbosity and verbal flatulance. Hey tko better open a window there! Whew!

  • potemkin_village_usa

    IMAGINE IF ONE MILLION AMERICANS SENT OBAMA A GIFT WRAPPED FIRE EXTINGUISHER!
    __Imagine if President Obama had received one million fire extiguishers at the White House with a card saying that you heard that his pants were ablaze and that you thought it to be a yuletide gesture in sending him something to put his paints out with. Advise the president that if he curbs the fibbing, he might be able to retire the extiguisher; then, wish him and his family a Merry Christmas….or….if you want to be more politically correct, wish him Happy Holidays!!

  • Ted

    Hey Bernie, your next column should be about Wall St’s response to the recent $10 billion taper don’t you think? You know, that little 300 pt upswing? Of course, then you’d be called a RINO or a HIPPO or a traitor to the fringe end of the fringe end here. C’mon, man up and do it. Pfffft!

    • T Ko

      Market response to the Fed’s manipulation. Real impressive. Now, if they could understand what GDP means….. Oh, you haven’t read that book yet, have you? Never mind, Spanky.

      • Sheila Warner

        Yea, as if a $10 billion taper is a lot. How much is still left in place? $75 billion. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-13/fed-seen-slowing-qe-in-september-by-65-of-economists-in-survey.html

        • Ted

          So, you as an “independent” are rooting for our country’s financial failure? Even a true Republican wouldn’t do that. What is it that now makes you an indy? Just because you claim you’re no longer a Repub means nothing when your views prove otherwise.

          • Sheila Warner

            I haven’t been a Republican for 21 years. How am I “now” an Indy? And, please, “rooting” for our nation’s future financial failure? When did I ever root for that? I predicted a correction. That in no way is a statement of wanting a stock market crash. Believing something will happen and wanting it to happen are two different things. I remember inflation under Jimmy Carter. If the Feds keep interest rates low with QE, my fear is that inflation will go up once the gravy train stops. That will be good for people with savings accounts, but if it is unchecked, and it hits the economy hard, we could go into another recession. So, again, which views “prove” that I am a member of the GOP? Or is it just the big one I hold, that our country is headed for a financial collapse under the weight of too much debt and too much QE, and now the cost of the ACA.

          • T Ko

            She’s not a “true Republican”…she’s rooting for the country’s financial failure BECAUSE she’s an “indy”…WTF?!

            Another amazingly stupid attempt at some semblance of logic that turns out to be just another merde pile by merdique Spanky.

            AKA:
            Petit poisson d’argent de merde connu sous le nom de Ted.

    • keith hart

      Ted >>>> T Ko

      If I inexplicably want your opinion I’ll give it to you.

      Ted reveals the core of leftist ideology.

    • Paul Courtney

      Hey Mr. rare breed, 2 days ago you gave George Williams investment advice warning against the “correction” about to result from the taper. To the contrary, mkt went up and you sound happy that you were, like, 100% wrong. What’s your next insight, buy lead?

      • Ted

        Happy to be wrong about the possible correction. Sort of like when I bet against the team I like almost hoping I’m wrong. Now, I realize this view pt is nuanced and therefore may challenge you cranial abilities. Gd luck.

        • keith hart

          ‘cheval merde’ Ted — The advantage of your dull wittedness to you is you stumble thru one gaffe after another unaware of how much a fool you appear to be. Heh…heh…heh. You’re an embarrassment to your own lefties.

        • T Ko

          Good ol’ merdique Ted…or is that Jed…or Ned…or Zed…oh well, “What difference, at this point does it make?!”

          • Sheila Warner

            LOL

          • T Ko

            ☺ …let him chew on that for a while.

  • I Hate Fascists

    Hey Daly and Webb aka Insane Clown Posse. Listen up. You cannot shut me up. You will never shut me up. AND YOU WILL NEVER TAKE THIS COUNTRY BACK!!!

  • I Hate Fascists

    @Fascist George: How? By confronting you with the truth and forcing you to take ownership of the hatred, misery, and ignorance that unites you. The rest you will do yourselves when reality sinks in that you are nothing more than a fringe cult hate group, that no one wants to live in your Fascist Fantasyland, and finally the hatred that is inbred in you is turned inward and brings about your well deserved demise.

    • Integrity

      Merry Christmas! I hope you enjoy whatever holiday you celebrate. QED

      • I Hate Fascists

        Awwwww you don’t mean that!

  • Ted

    Your logic and inability to grasp the obvious are what should be reviewed not just your spelling.

    • T Ko

      If you made any sense then spelling might matter.

  • keith hart

    Thanx Ted. This one was really too good to leave buried in the batch.

    Ted >>>>T Ko
    You’re full of mared.

    keith hart >>>> Ted
    Ted, mared is a Welsh female name meaning ‘Pearl’. Mared is also a village in Howmeh-ye, Sharqi Rural District, Khuzastan province, Iran.

    What you’re looking for is merde, french origin.

    You really are not so nearly as bright as l.e. despite that l.e. is an anti-Semite, misogynist.

    Merde, Ted, merde, Ted.

    It has a certain cadence to it — don’t you think. No, I guess you don’t — think. Just aware of random thoughts as they float on by.

    • T Ko

      Now that Zed can spell it (thanks to you), he can now tell everyone that he’s cheval-merde. Very fitting, don’t you think?

      • keith hart

        He does exude a certain air of horse s—.

        • T Ko

          I just now realized…ol’ Ned can now tell the dentist what he needs cleaned from his teeth…I mean, TOOTH!

  • keith hart

    Ted/l.e. —- You be sure to tell me when I’m on your very last raw nerve. This way I’ll know when to pour it on.

    I recall back in my youth — that major from G2 always coming around complaining how unlikely it was that I never took any prisoners. My battalion commander didn’t seem to mind. I always got the job done.

    *********************
    George, there was more to it — my answer to your query, ‘how could I have a beer with Obama ….?’

    At the time, I was reluctant to get into it. My partial response about the 69th Pennsylvania was genuine and still stands.

    But ….. what the hell.
    I always wanted to just once — one time only — sit down and have a beer with the devil.

    There would be much to discuss with Louis Cypher. And share some laughs over some of it and some cold stare down over alot of it.

    Just a one time occurrence, mind you.

    And it seems to me Barack Obama would fit the bill just fine.

    • T Ko

      If ol’ Ded, has a nerve, then he’s only after an exchange of cheap shots. He’s not here for any other reason.

  • I Hate Fascists

    Don’t flatter yourself Daly. My self worth is nothing less than the destruction of the right wing Fascist movement. You and this rootypoo website are just the beginning.

    • George Williams

      I’m really scared. Frightened. Shaking in my boots. Just how will a Marxist wrecking ball like yourself manage to do that all by yourself?

  • I Hate Fascists

    Don’t flatter yourself Daly. My self worth is nothing less than the destruction of the right wing Fascist movement. You and this rootypoo website are just the beginning.

  • Daly Dildo

    Admit it Daly. You who stays awake 24/7 waiting for my post. You are obsessed with me. Your entire self worth is tied to me.

  • keith hart

    Here’s the core of leftist ideology. What they never, ever admit to. Afterall they’re so well intentioned and ‘compassionate’ — right?

    But, sometimes they can be coaxed ……….

    Ted >>>> T Ko
    If I inexplicably want your opinion I’ll give it to you.

    keith hart >>>> Ted

    Ted, Thanx. You just summed up the entire leftist political philosophy in a nutshell — see how those vodka shooters can do wonders.

    • Ted

      Keith, I’d call you clueless if I thought you’d get it.

      • T Ko

        Hey, Sparky you’ve used that one already. Ain’t you got any imagination? Jeez!

        • Ted

          I’d tell you to get a life but that would be redundant. Res ipsa loquiter. You can look it later, Sparky or as I refer to you, cabeza de Ricardo. Get back to me when you decypher that one, genius.

          • T Ko

            Hey, dumbass, you don’t impress anyone by using quotes that might have some substance if you had anything intelligent to say. You have nothing intelligent to say.

            See? It’s real simple to use the English language and actually say something.

            Also, you are living proof that the thing speaks for itself…you are stupid, Spanky.

          • Ted

            Cabeza de Ricardo.

          • T Ko

            Hey, I don’t want to hear about you giving Richard head. You pervert!

      • keith hart

        That’s It? Hmm. Don’t you want to give me my opinion? Like a good little leftie.

        • T Ko

          He’s clueless. ☻

          • keith hart

            T Ko, what is that black dot to the right of your post?
            Never mind. Got it.

          • Ted

            The black dot is tko’s brain. He thinks he’s showing off.

          • T Ko

            I can easily pass that info along to you, but I’ll wait just a little while and see if Spanky can figure it out, or if he even can guess what it really is.

            I’ve read one of his answers and, as expected, he doesn’t have a clue.

            HINT:
            Here’s a normal brain…☺
            Here’s a Spanky brain…☻

            See? A Spanky brain is very empty and dark. F-U-G-L-Y

          • Pedro Pinga

            Looks more like TKO and Keith Fart

          • T Ko

            Hey, Pedro Pinko, how’s the Facists these days? Still hate ‘m?

          • Pedro Pinga

            You bet your sweet ass

          • T Ko

            Thanks. And John…? He Hates Facists, He Hates Facists…bye bye, doofus.

          • Pedro Pinga

            Tell us what you 2 love birds did in that men’s room with your Daly Dildo. It sounds very romantic!

          • T Ko

            You are the one tellin’ the story…it must have been you and Ted. It’s alright, though, your memory gets bad when you keep doin’ that thing with Ted.

          • Pedro Pinga

            Go back to watching Duck Dynasty and sucking dingleberries out Keith Fart’s black ass

          • T Ko

            You are the fabled IHF, are you not?

          • Pedro Pinga

            Flattery will get you nowhere twinkle teat

          • T Ko

            Hey, isn’t that your mother’s name?

          • T Ko

            How does your mother still do that at 90YO?

          • T Ko

            Oh, that was not flattery.

          • T Ko

            Are dingleberrys your favorite fruit, Spanky?

          • T Ko

            Ok, so you hate facists, but you love their _____?

          • T Ko

            You had better not mention “Daly Dildo” again. That is as good a warning as I’m gonna’ give you.

          • Mr & Mrs IHF

            Go hang your balls on the Christmas tree next to your Daly Dildo

          • T Ko

            I have now answered your question…I hope. It’s obvious that Ted-merde is clueless.

        • Ted

          I already did but you didn’t get it did you? And please inform tko that he better hope daddy doesn’t find out he’s using Daddy’s computer to try and talk to the grownups. Right to bed without his supper!

          • keith hart

            The advantage of your dull wittedness to you is you stumble thru one gaff after another unaware of how much a fool you appear to be. Heh…heh…heh. You’re an embarrassment to your own lefties.

          • Ted

            You can’t even spell gaffe and then you try to say I’m dull witted? And did I mention you’re clueless? The good news is you’ve got plenty of company here as this site is a veritable hotbed of it so you’ll fit right in and maybe no one will notice?

          • T Ko

            Ok, you looked it up for the spelling…now, what does it mean? You should have read all about it.

          • T Ko

            No, stupid. Grownups–like me–have their own computers because we work and we do adult things. You should have by now…maybe not.

    • T Ko

      They really are obtuse, aren’t they?

  • T Ko

    NOTICE
    The two commenters known as “Ted” and “Legal Eagle” have just recently confessed to a purpose in participating in this website forum as a primary intent to harass all commenters who do not support President Hussein Obama.

    Their admitted tactic is to “attack the messenger, regardless of the message.” This involves a very base and derogatory manner in carrying out exchanges on this site.

    All participants are warned that any exchange with these, and others, individuals will be non-productive, other than for the purpose of feeding into their bitterness, hatred, and malcontent.

    • Sheila Warner

      Um, referring to the President as “President Hussein” comes across as being a rabid right winger. You are correct about legal eagle and Ted, of course, but your own rhetoric should soar very high above theirs, and not as a mirror of the other point of view. Just a suggestion. I always refer to the President as President Obama or sometimes Mr Obama. Too often on forums I referred to President George W Bush as “Dubya” or “the cowboy”, and I found that being a smart a$$ like that undermined my credibility. I have great disagreements in policy regarding both men, but I believe it is important to respect the office. I don’t go for the “respect the office if the man is worth respecting” line of thinking. I don’t want to sound petty if I can avoid it.

      • T Ko

        Point taken and corrected, thanks.

        • Sheila Warner

          Thanks for receiving it so well. You are contributing valuable ideas here, and I’d like to see more of that.

          • T Ko

            Merci beaucoup.

          • Sheila Warner

            De nada

          • George Williams

            Ne rien de tout!

          • Sheila Warner

            Sorry, bits and pieces of Spanish is all I got.

          • T Ko

            oui!

          • Ted

            You’re full of mared.

          • T Ko

            You’re full of garbage (that’s the nicer version).

          • George Williams

            And you’re just plain pathetic.

          • keith hart

            Ted, mared is a Welsh female name meaning ‘Pearl’. Mared is also a village in Howmeh-ye, Sharqi Rural District, Khuzastan province, Iran.

            What you’re looking for is merde, french origin.

            You really are not so nearly as bright as l.e. despite that l.e. is an anti-Semite, misogynist.

            Merde, Ted, merde, Ted.

            It has a certain cadence to it — don’t you think. No, I guess you don’t — think. Just aware of random thoughts as they float on by.

          • Ted

            Merde. Hey, I get it, just like your arguments.

          • keith hart

            Ted, you so remind me of Tim Conway’s character on McHale’s Navy. Befuddled, dazed, desperately looking around for an indication of what’s going on.

          • Ted

            That would make you Capt. Binghamton wouldn’t it? And have I said you’re clueless? Let me know when you get it?

          • T Ko

            Why? You never had it Spanko.

          • T Ko

            Si, but only because you are cheval-merde.
            Got that, Sparko?

          • keith hart

            The advantage of your dull wittedness to you is you stumble thru one gaffe after another unaware of how much a fool you appear to be. Heh…heh…heh. You’re an embarrassment to your own lefties.

      • Jeff Webb

        Your view on “respect for the office” is a reasonable one, though I differ a bit.

        Knowing what I know and have seen, unless some drastic change takes place with him, Barack Obama is the only president won’t refer to with title preceding name. Why? Because he is highly unethical even for a politician, he is severely lacking in the ability to lead & govern, he regularly behaves in a very undignified manner, and worst of all, he thinks he’s better than America. The guy is a disturbingly thorough blend of the worst possible qualities to have in a prestigious office.

        Using name without title isn’t automatically disrespectful–context dictates. And no offense intended, but to me it doesn’t seem like honoring the presidency to address Obama with the same deference as statesmen like Ronald Reagan, Dwight Eisenhower, George Washington, and John Adams. .

        • T Ko

          I agree with you J, but I’ll listen to others who have another opinion also.

          I have seen him as OD, meaning “Obama Devil”, and I am inclined to go with that.

          • Sheila Warner

            The devil is one scary dude. Conservatives and plenty of moderates like me, are infuriated by the President’s actions, and we are scared about the future of our nation. Hence, the use of the word devil. I understand that. It was just my 2 cents.

          • Ted

            So, you call your Prez the devil? How typical of the fearbased and paranoid here to retreat to that kind of hyperbolic rhetoric. This proves how incredibly easy it is to sell paranoia to the paranoid. And here I thought the devil was W’s VP? Silly me!

          • T Ko

            No, he’s your pres…he is just currently occupying the seat of POTUS–undeserved.

          • Ted

            Unless ur a Kenyan, Muslim non-citizen yeah much to your great chagrin he IS ur Prez. And just imagine how much more embarrassed your Prez is by that knowledge?

          • T Ko

            Hey, Spanky, find that dictionary again. ☺

          • T Ko

            If you like your president, you can keep him, please.
            “Period, end of story.”

          • Sheila Warner

            I never called the President “the devil”. You are commenting on my reply to TKo. You do not know the context of that reply, obviously. I was giving my opinion on why SOME people use the label “devil.” It’s because they are scared, and the “devil” is the epitome of fear. You don’t seem to pay much attention to context at all, or else you scan comments for buzz words without any clue as to the subject of a thread.

          • Ted

            If I misunderstood your post then mea culpa.

          • Sheila Warner

            “mea culpa” accepted. I don’t take all of this back and forth personally. But I do correct mistakes.

          • T Ko

            Peel back the layers and the really acrid nature of the Ted is revealed.

          • Sheila Warner

            That’s true.

          • T Ko

            Not very pleasant is he?

          • T Ko

            No, not silly…STUPID.

          • T Ko

            You are absolutely right, in my opinion and belief he is one scary dude.

            I also honestly believe that there are many in his legions of followers who pretend to be something that they are not. The best way to determine their orientation is to examine their actions and the outcomes.

            Hence, I believe that what Obama has done is akin to what a follower of “Legion” might do–it is not good.

            Therefore, by bet is placed on looking at his actions–not on what he says.

          • Sheila Warner

            That’s really the only way we can determine anyone’s motives: by actions. We can apply that standard across the political spectrum.

          • T Ko

            This is where the nexus of our opinions will be found. Actions always speak louder than words.

        • Sheila Warner

          We will agree to disagree on this one. It’s not worth debating. You laid out your case well, as did I. Thanks for a good reply.

        • keith hart

          Jeff, that was — really, really good! Whew!

        • legal eagle

          Of course none of those you mentioned were Dems or black…So to receive your “deference” you probably will have to be Republican and white?

          • T Ko

            And proud of it. What are you proud of, Weasel?

          • Ted

            This reply is for the oddly named Integrity who has shown none. I was a Republican before Gov Bobby Jindahl said, “We got to stop being the stupid party”. Talk about your lofty goals!

            Stevie Wonder and I both saw that coming and I got the hell outta Dodge one step ahead of the 2010 Bagger invasion.

          • T Ko

            Yeah, you and Stevie are what…seein’ eye buddies?

            Pretty stupid stuff again.

          • Integrity

            Your departure was a good first step toward the Governor’s goal. Based upon your posts, you could not have been a Republican despite what you claim. Just because you claim to be eloquent does not make it so. QED

          • George Williams

            Here’s one for you. Obama lied to 300 million people about keeping their plans and doctors and then made light of the sacrifice of 5 million citizens who were cast off as collateral damage to his health care system the doesn’t reduce the cost of family plans on average by $2,500, but actually increases costs through higher premiums, deductables and co-pays. That’s enough to make the people hate him. And the “Baggers” predicted this but people of your ilk denied it. Who’s the fool, you and your lying sycophants, or rhe “Baggers”. Better to be a “Bagger” today than be an Obamabot/zombie. The former are heroes and the latter chumps, regardless of your use of the pejorative. People will forget the term “Baggger” but they won’t forget that their childrens’ college funds being robbed to pay a mandatory insurance policy with premiums way beyond their means. LOL! ROFLO!

          • Jeff Webb

            If you take the comment down in the next 24 hours, LE, I’ll forget you posted it. If you don’t, it will be taken down for you, and you’ll get more than just a warning the next time you race-card me.

          • Ted

            So even if you’re not racist yourself then if as your side likes to delude itself there’s no racism on the rt, how do you explain why the first black Prez is the first and only one to have both his citizenship and religion questioned and denied?

          • Jeff Webb

            Anybody on the right who claims there is no such thing as a racist Obama critic is wrong. If there are any bona fide, noteworthy conservatives who have claimed exactly that, I missed it. Moreover, I should hope any reasonable person assumes that no walk of life is immune to some form of bigotry.

            Who’s delusional?
            -Chris Matthews, to an alarming degree. The guy could find racism in a bowl of cereal.
            -Anyone who thinks birthers and “faithers” are the norm among conservatives. They’re fringe, to put it nicely.
            -Anyone who thinks the GOP is THE party of racism.

          • I Hate Fascists

            Fringe? Perhaps. But birthers abound and thrive in this intellectual cesspool of a website. Yet you never once have deleted any of their posts. Or even threatened any one of them with deletion.

          • Ted

            Birthers abound here and It would be interesting to poll the Obama haters here and see how many would admit to being Birthers. I do not include Jeff in that group and take him at his word. Interesting to note however that in a recent poll 20% of Repubs responding said they believed Obama was the anti-Christ. Hmmmm. Were I still a Republican I’d be embarrassed and these insane fear-and race based beliefs are why I left. The party has been co-opted by the Baggers and it’s costing them at the national election level. Repubs could’ve also held the majority in the Senate.

          • Integrity

            BS. You were never a Republican. Have you ever considered that white condescension, which is a form of racism, has done more damage in recent years than those racists who exist on the right? QED

          • Jeff Webb

            I’m responding for the benefit of others:

            First of all, you apparently don’t know the proper definition of “abound.”
            Second, simply posting an opinion that very few people have is not against the rules, let alone cause for deletion.

          • I Hate Fascists

            Whatever these so-called “rules” are, How is it that no right winger has ever violated them?

          • Integrity

            Exactly. Being white is the reason President Carter and Clinton were given a pass. Here we go again. All who dare question President Obama, for any reason, are racists. Just for your edification, there are also racists who vote Democrat as well. QED

          • Ted

            Yes, there are and who said there weren’t? My favorite rt wing BS is the notion that if one calls out the cons for being racist then that person is the real racist. So, that means if you called me a W “hater” than you’d in fact be the real “hater” wouldn’t you? I like how this works both ways.
            Fyi, in an AP poll 18 months ago 57% of Repubs and 34% of Dems answered questions about race in a racist manner. About what I’d have thought.

          • Integrity

            Your post and logic are a disjoint set. I have lot of criticism for W. That is the difference between the two of us. I don’t have a “side” that I defend at all costs. Additionally, using alleged misconduct by one side to defend the other side is not only unoriginal, but pathetic as well. Your poll numbers are meaningless without additional facts and prove nothing. Poll questions are often manipulated by both “sides” to sway public opinions. Did you know that a professor at Yale Law School did a study to find out which
            political groups were the smartest when it comes to science? Who do you think his data showed were smarter? Tea Party people or liberals? Did I prove anything with this? QED

          • Ted

            Feel free to share all of your W criticisim here? Here are some gimmies: 9/11, Iraq, never getting bin Laden, Katrina, the economy, the housing bubble, the DOJ debacle, Cheney, Rumsfeld. Now it’s your turn…..
            I realized you’d probably fail to understand my point about your side’s, “You called me a racist which makes you the real racist!” BS. You might as well try, “You’re rubber and I’m glue. What bounces of me sticks to you”! Understand the idiocy now or was that too eloquent? I do love how you and your ilk can so readily and glibly dismiss anything you don’t like without knowing anything about it like the AP poll I spoke of. So, which party would you self-servingly have guessed was more racist, the libs? And you say that your side which routinely denies science is smarter at it? They’re so smart they deny things like evolution and the age of the earth, etc?
            For some rt wing nut fun, read Maryland University’s study about what groups are the most uninformed? Fox viewers were #1 and Rash Windbag listeners were #2. No surprise there. Fox viewers were asked if the GDP, taxes and jobs had gone up or down under Obama and they couldn’t even answer those “tough” ones for starters.

          • keith hart

            Ted, cheval merde, stumbler.

          • Integrity

            You totally missed the point. Was that you I saw on Jay Walking? QED

          • T Ko

            Here’s a good one, Obama-Devil, biggest liar of the century.

          • T Ko

            Ted, are you a racist? Do you hate white people there Spanky?

          • keith hart

            more cheval merde, stumbler.

          • T Ko

            Hey, if I want to accuse Hussein of being black, then it’s my right to be able to say he’s black. Hussein is BLACK!

            ☻ ☻☻ ☻ ☻ ☻ ☻ ☻ ☻ ☻ ☻ ☻ ☻ ☻ ☻ ☻ ☻ ☻ ☻

          • Sheila Warner

            Hey, I’ll take that bait. Why? Because there are crazies on both the Left and the Right. The mainstream GOP never challenged either of those things.

          • T Ko

            A white democrat president was the only one to ever be brought to impeachment. Does that make the GOP racist because he was white?

            WTF difference does it make unless you’re tryin’ to throw out the ever-popular ‘straw-man’?

          • Sheila Warner

            Did I mention race? I said that the reason some ppl became birthers and faithers is due to the fact that there are crazies out there. I was replying to good ol’ Ted, who raised the question. He sees race behind the birther/faither movement. But here’s another one for you–were President GW Busher’s “truthers” racist? It’s rigid ideology that causes such thinking, not race.

          • Ted

            Nice false equivalency and here’s why: If the Truthers were black then I’d have to wonder idf race was involved. Given that’s not the case do you still wish to pose that absurd question?

          • Sheila Warner

            Let’s put my reply together with the thread.

            Ted—-> (Jeff Webb) “…if as your side likes to delude itself there’s no racism on the rt, how do you explain why the first black Prez is the first and only one to have both his citizenship and religion questioned and denied?”

            sheila0405——> (Ted) “I’ll take the bait…there are crazies on both the Left and the Right. The mainstream GOP never challenged those two things.”

            T Ko (chiming in)—–> (sheila0405) “A white democrat president was the only one to ever be brought to impeachment. Does that make the GOP racist because he was white? WTF difference does it make unless you’re tryin’ to throw out the ever-popular ‘straw-man’?”

            sheila0405 (replying to T Ko)—->Did I mention race? I said that the reason some ppl became birthers and faithers is due to the fact that there are crazies out there. I was replying to good ol’ Ted, who raised the question. He sees race behind the birther/faither movement. But here’s another one for you–were President GW Busher’s ‘truthers’ racist? It’s rigid ideology that causes such thinking, not race.”

            Ted—–> (to sheila0405) “Nice false equivalency and here’s why: If the Truthers were black then I’d have to wonder idf [sic] race was involved. Given that’s not the case do you still wish to pose that absurd question?”

            Are you following the thread there, yet, genius? My question about GW Birthers was posed to T Ko, based on his comment to me about my comment to you. It’s hard to keep up, I know, but I never used the race card. It’s just too flimsy to wield in any substantive argument, so I just leave it on the floor where it belongs.

            Oh, and T Ko, I missed the sarcasm in your comment to me about my comment to Ted (if he can figure it all out), For that, I am sorry.

          • T Ko

            I’m sorry, I was not directing that at you…I was making a comment as a response to Zed’s comment.

            That is, “…racist…racism…rt…first black Prez … citizenship….”

            He tried to hit several key words in the BS arguments they often raise.

            It wasn’t directed at you, though. Sorry.

          • Sheila Warner

            No problem here.

          • T Ko

            “Ur side”, my side, their side, inside, outside, sheeez!

            Is that all you ever see? Then why do you come to a site that is not “Ur” side? That automatically makes you an idiot.

          • Sheila Warner

            A troll, for sure.

          • T Ko

            Exactly.

          • keith hart

            Thanks T Ko, you nailed it.

          • T Ko

            T’anks, K. Like th’ man says…”I calls ‘m like I sees ‘m.”

          • I Hate Fascists

            Pops you are so anile! Fire up a joint and lighten up for Christs sake!

          • Jeff Webb

            Let’s see:

            you have posted some of the most hostile, confrontational comments this site has ever seen, and have come back here time after time after time and posted more of them despite the fact you were banned a long time ago for rules violations.

            I OTOH, was accused of racism by a guy who knows I am a site moderator, didn’t and won’t ban him for the post, and in fact gave him plenty of time to correct it & get a clean slate.

            And I’M the one who needs to lighten up?

          • I Hate Fascists

            Some moderator. No one more hostile or confrontational than you Pops. Me? I give as good as I get and I don’t tolerate abuse from anyone.

          • keith hart

            Jeff, l.e. has recently proven himself to be an anti-Semite and misogynist by his own words. Or is he going to claim sarcasm? It’s one thing for him to be a paid disruptor. It’s a whole next level for him as an anti-Semite and misogynist and now race baiter. How far is tolerance expected to stretch?

          • legal eagle

            So now I am an anti-Semitic, Jewish, misogynistic, paid disrupter? Now that’s a mouthful…
            It would appear that not only are you lacking the empathy gene but you also lack any sense of humor….how sad…

          • T Ko

            And an asshole. But that all goes together pretty well.

          • keith hart

            anti-Semite
            .

          • George Williams

            You don’t lack the sycophant gene. Are you related to Julius and Ethel Rosenberg? Perhaps you have the empathy gene that caused them to side with Stalin’s Soviet Union, because picking the wrong side of history is what you’ve done by supporting BO. Whew, what a stink! Obama has only the communists who maintain their wealth redistributionism and those who support him for his color.

          • T Ko

            Yes, how. I’m wiping the tears now. Boo Hoo

          • legal eagle

            You are in contempt…..LOL

          • T Ko

            You are contemptuous. ☻

          • Jeff Webb

            Keith, can you paste the anti-Semitic/misogynistic comments for me? I don’t know where they are. THX.

          • Ted

            Jeff, nice threat and attempt to suppress dissident views. Sounds like someone (you) is the rt wing version of Chris Matthews re: the race card.

          • T Ko

            So, which race did you say you claimed? Several?

            Oh yeah, cheval-merde, merde, stinky merde, and a whole bunch of others. Pheeeew!!

          • Ted

            Ah, another example of your nonpariel eloquence on display. Well played, sir!

          • T Ko

            Well, thank you, Spanky. Coming from you, I’ll have something to wipe with after my next BM. Keep’m coming!

          • Jeff Webb

            Nice of you to notice.

            Seriously though, if you were to look over my history on this site, you’d know you just made an ignorant statement.
            I prefer debating over policing. Challenging others’ points is one of the hallmarks here, whether or not it’s done pointedly. Even when some troll gets really personal with me, I don’t like donning the moderator cap.

            That said, there are certain rules here that are enforced more than others. Probably Bernie’s biggest one is no defamation of public figures. Call George Bush or Barack Obama a liar? Ho hum. Say Bill Clinton is a rapist (without the word “alleged”)? You just might get bounced in a hurry.

            Challenge me, whether or not in my capacity as a moderator? Ho hum. Accuse me of bigotry? No sale.
            I see the race card for what it is: a liberal bully tactic to suppress OTHERS’ dissident views. Try it with me and I’ll bully you back.

          • Ted

            Your arguments are actually much more reasoned than tko or gw or hart. And no, you’ve offered nada to suggest ur a racist. That said, ur side’s habit of claiming that when a Dem calls out ur side when it’s being racist (E.A. Birther/Bircher BS) that that makes him the racist is laughable. It’s just as logical and sounds just like, “I know you but what am I”? And I’ve yet to see anyone from ur side decry it.

          • Jeff Webb

            As reprehensible as it is to play the race card, it’s not automatically racist to do it. It CAN be, but it’s not the norm.

          • keith hart

            Playing the race card allows the left to slide on leftist white racism — the most insidious kind — the soft bigotry of low expectation. With the attendant false promises and meager fulfillments.

          • Jeff Webb

            You’re right about liberal condescension of blacks being racist. It may be widespread, but I don’t instantly link race-carding to it (it’s more nuanced than that), and I don’t believe every liberal is a bigot.

            Using Bill Maher as an example, I’ve seen him suggest people were opposing Obama because of his race. I also remember one time where he suggested Obama would handle a particular situation better if he’d act like a black stereotype. Saying the former wasn’t racist–it was just his usual petulance The latter was without question racist, by the modern liberal definition.

            There’s also Phil Silverman. He was the worst ‘carder this site has ever seen, but I don’t believe he’s a bigot. His accusations were tools he used to bully others into silence, I’d argue someone who plays the card on you does so because he’s a bully, not a bigot.

          • keith hart

            Jeff, I should have been more specific — my apology.

            My concern is leftists in power — in real positions of power. Their race-card ploys are integral to their leftist white racism resulting in more than just condescension, but, real harm and damage to minorities.

            Their willful blocking of school vouchers, when 90% of African-American parents want vouchers. Their meager, constraining, punitive parameters set on their entitlement programs resulting in the breakdown of the African-American family. Leftist white racism with it’s shield of race-carding — a shield because it serves the function of misdirection — is far more than condescending bias.

            I care little for the race-carding that shields ‘liberal’ bigotry of the man on the street or the Bill Mahers or any other on-camera ‘talent’ media figures. It’s the race-carding of the Leftists in power that concerns me. And their political opponents will have to effectively learn how to contend with it. So far I’m not seeing that.

            Jeff, while I have your attention, a query, if I may?

            Your ultimatum:
            Jeff Webb >>> legal eagle
            If you take the comment down in the next 24 hours, LE, I’ll forget you posted it. If you don’t, it will be taken down for you, and you’ll get more than just a warning the next time you race-card me.

            Why no follow through? Why the moveable line? Just curious.

          • Jeff Webb

            The explanation I eventually got from LE cleared it up. Check my most recent post to him if you haven’t yet.

            Dealing with LE’s schtick can be tedious, and while not a troll he often acts like one, but I wouldn’t like it if he were kicked out. He’s one of the last people we’d want gone, really.
            He’s been around a long time, contributes more than just the petty swipes, and overall he does respect rules.

          • keith hart

            Jeff, thanks, that satisfies my curiosity.

            I hope I was clear earlier, in my belief that the soft bigotry of low expectation of Leftist white racism is more than condescension. That’s on the surface.

            It’s really the motivator for Leftists in power to block and impede African American’s efforts to achieve liberty and prosperity in their own right. Why leftists do it can fill volumes. But, they do it.

            They are masters at crafting legislation that assures African Americans remain in their place. All the while cultivating their image of well intentioned and ‘compassionate’.

            How their political opponents can contend with that remains yet to be seen.

            Again, thanks.

          • Juan Baton

            Ho Hum:
            Moderator (you): “…Second, your one warning: don’t call me racist again unless you want more of your comments to disappear. You know the rules, but feel free to whine anyway. …”
            You: “You inferred that “exploit-mongers” meant the parents. I was actually referring to liberal pols, pundits, and the like. Now that I’ve clarified that, and with the understanding that how you generally feel about my take on gun control will be no more or less valid, now is your time to take back the accusation. I’m not telling you again. I’m not a bigot, I don’t rub salt in the wounds of the grieving, and your drawing these conclusions is reprehensible!!!”
            Me: “OOOOOOOOHHHHHH!!! A threat!!!!. But regardless, “exploit mongers” does in fact include the parents. Recall that the parents went to DC to lobby for gun control. Also recall this quote from one of your responses to me in that same article: “Re: Newtown parents: as terrible as their suffering is, neither they nor the opportunist pols using them as props are justified in challenging my or anyone else’s Constitutional rights”.
            So in spite of how intimidated I am by you, you do rub salt in the wounds, you do add insult to injury, and I am not taking anything back. What are you going to do about it Pops? Shoot me?”
            http://www.bernardgoldberg.com

          • Jeff Webb

            Hello, IHF.

            Your comment definitely merits a response: Ho hum.

          • Juan Baton

            That is utterly ridiculous. A better one would be “I cannot handle the truth”

          • D Parri

            Thanks.

          • Irwin R Shyster

            You like dishing out abuse and when it comes back to you it’s “I’m the moderator!”

          • keith hart

            cheval merde, stumbler.

          • T Ko

            Not even a good attempt at discredit. Another merdique Ted original!

          • legal eagle

            I stated a fact….do you disagree?

          • Jeff Webb

            What if I were to say to Barack Obama, “of course, your wife is a black Protestant, so you probably wouldn’t consider a white, Jewish woman good enough to marry?”

            Don’t play this game. My response to Sheila clearly detailed what I find un-presidential about Obama. His color wasn’t mentioned, there was no material reason to do so.

            You implied I was being racist. Think you can dance around that?

          • keith hart

            Jeff, disparagement is this anti- Semite’s primary goal. Certainly not the expression of ideas.

          • T Ko

            ‘Dance’ is a good characterization of what I see him do all the time. It is an attempt at mockery, delusion, and harassment on his part.

          • T Ko

            I disagree that you stated a fact. And your history will bear that out.

          • legal eagle

            Jeff…By the way…how would I know you are the site moderator and how do I take something down?

          • T Ko

            You claim to be the smartest one around. So, Mr. Obama, you can’t deny it.

          • Jeff Webb

            In your case, you are already aware, except I’m not THE site moderator per se.
            You didn’t know it back when I first confronted you on a different issue, until I told you. That’s more or less the approach: someone crosses the line, and a mod tells them he’s addressing the problem. Sometimes the mod sees it first-hand, other times it’s reported by someone else.

          • legal eagle

            Jeff….. I did not imply anything of the sort… I stated a fact which you want to interpret a certain way….
            By the way, if you personally met the POTUS, I would bet you would not be referring to him as Mr..

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Jeff….. I did not imply anything of the sort… I stated a fact which you want to interpret a certain way….<<

            Tell you what: give me a reasonable explanation why you thought posting said fact. What does his race have to do with the substance of my post? Otherwise, you have 4 hours.

          • legal eagle

            Feel free to take it down….I have no idea on how to do it….If it offends you so much do whatever will let you relax….I’m not offended when people, on this site, call me names but if you are offended by something you feel I meant then take it down…

          • keith hart

            This was a matter of only a few hours …………..

            legal eagle >>>> Jeff Webb

            ” …..Can you warn the moron who keep calling me an anti-Semite?

            So, which is it, l.e.? The bravado bully or the cowering bully?

          • T Ko

            “Mr. Devil”? Maybe….or “Mr. Devil’s Advocate.”

          • T Ko

            J, Weasel is an idiot and his goal is constant provocation…no intelligence at all.

          • legal eagle

            Good to see that you and Keith Hart are bonding so well over calling me names….

          • Ted

            They no doubt typed that post right they got a room together.

          • Juan Baton

            Yeah and Gay Parri makes 3

          • Juan Baton

            And it was a men’s room GOP style

          • keith hart

            So, IHF is your buddy?

          • keith hart

            I asked you — is IHF your buddy?

          • Irwin R Shyster

            Yeah and they had a dildo with Daly’s face on it and … Never mind I don’t even want to think about it

          • T Ko

            Glad to see you approve…makes my day.

          • keith hart

            7 hours to go.

          • I Hate Fascists

            Welcome to the club bro! We have been kicked out of better places than this eh?

          • T Ko

            What does that make you…stupid and green?

          • keith hart

            3 hours to go.

          • legal eagle

            You either need to get a life or get back on your medication…..I realize your obsessed with Ted and myself but you probably need a different obsession…try golfing..

          • keith hart

            Have a serving of your own dish.
            2 hours to go.
            You anti-Semite

          • keith hart

            How about showing some of that ‘empathy’ you mention…… that apology to Sheila for that vulgar slob slur?
            Now would be a good time.

            1 hour to go.

            you misogynist, anti-Semite.

          • T Ko

            Yes, vulgar, slob, idiot…he makes a great democrat Obama-Zombie.

          • T Ko

            Poor Weasel…but he wanted to become a Democrack.

          • T Ko
          • keith hart

            T Ko, what’s its purpose? Pardon my low tech

          • T Ko

            You asked me how to do it. You asked about the black smiley face symbol. ☻

          • T Ko

            S’il vous plaît répondre.

          • keith hart

            I’m on the other site you linked to.

          • T Ko

            Try thinking.

          • Juan Baton

            Polo would be more appropriate for a horse’s ass

          • keith hart

            Obsession? Hmm. Interesting concept
            Have a serving of your own dish.
            How’s your appetite?

          • D Parri

            So now it’s Weasel, Zed, and Juan Botox. Very impressive crew.

          • keith hart

            This Juan slob, is the banned IHF?

          • D Parri

            Sí, eso es correcto.

          • D Parri

            Yes, I believe so. Jeff and Phil have been pretty good at catching him, though. He doesn’t get to stay very long…thank goodness.

          • Ted

            Interesting that they obsess over their obsessions….and can’t see it. Typical!

          • Jeff Webb

            LE,

            Am I correct in assuming you figured out the edit option?

            Regarding your last comment:
            >>If it offends you so much do whatever is necessary that will let you relax….I’m not offended when people, on this site, call me names but if you are offended by something you feel I meant then take it down<<

            Similarly, I'm not offended when someone patronizes me like this. In your case, it's actually pretty amusing.

            Despite my strict policy on being race-carded, I don't like putting anyone in the position you were in. If I'm truly wrong about this, you need to tell me what you meant. Again, looking at the substance of the comment you replied to, what did Obama's race have to do with it? Why bring it up?

          • keith hart

            Jeff, do you like Hemingway? I always liked Hemingway ….because he wrote so well. What was the name of that reminiscent? About Paris in the 20′s …. A Moveable …….Moveable ……..Line. Wasn’t it?

          • legal eagle

            So you personally have a “strict policy” on being race carded? Any other rules that you want to let me know about? If you can’t interpret sarcasm the way it’s intended I’m not sure I can be of assistance…..As most would give deference to the office of POTUS regardless of who was in it I can only assume you have an irrational dislike of this POTUS for reasons only known to you…

          • Sheila Warner

            The shine left the President when I watched the lie about the video continue to be perpetrated for many weeks. So, my “dislike” for the POTUS is his deception. I like my leaders to be truthful. Oh, and following the Constitution is also key. The Constitutional abuse by President George W Bush is why he lost his charm with me. I’m an equal opportunity person when it comes to what I expect of any President. I never used the words, “strict policy”, by the way. Why was that in quotes? I said I do not use the race card as a tool myself because I find it to be flimsy, and therefore leave it on the floor. There are so many substantive reasons to disagree with President Obama–I don’t need to stoop to race.

          • Jeff Webb

            He was responding to my comment, m’lady. : )>

          • Jeff Webb

            >>So you personally have a “strict policy” on being race carded?<>Any other rules that you want to let me know about?<> If you can’t interpret sarcasm the way it’s intended I’m not sure I can be of assistance.<>.As most would give deference to the office of POTUS regardless of who was in it I can only assume you have an irrational dislike of this POTUS for reasons only known to you<<

            Well, not just to me…also anyone who read my entire post and understood the sentences.

          • legal eagle

            Can I have any policies? Can you warn the moron who keep calling me an anti-Semite?

          • keith hart

            In case you have forgotten…………..”That you were engaged in a disparagement, and to heighten that disparagement you made reference to racial/ethnic identity that was in no way germane to the point you were making, but, only served to intensify that disparagement. This is deeply offensive and completely out of place in an open forum.”

          • Jeff Webb

            All the posts calling you that made me a little uneasy–I’m inclined to issue a warning for it. Unless you can respond with a copy/paste first, I’ll search for the whole exchange and get back.

          • legal eagle

            keith hart >>>> legal eagle
            Have a serving of your own dish.
            2 hours to go.
            You anti-Semite

          • legal eagle

            Merry Christmas Jeff…

          • Jeff Webb

            Likewise, sir!
            : )>

            And, Merry Christmas to all the rest of youse out there. (Except John–still owes me $10 from last year.)

        • Ted

          What did u call W, God?

          • T Ko

            It takes a really stupid idiot to make a comment like that. Oh…but I forgot, you ARE a stupid idiot.

          • Ted

            A stupid idiot you say? Only a stupid idiot would call someone a stupid idiot. How fitting that it was you who did it.

          • T Ko

            Ok, so you ARE a stupid idiot. What now? You’ve already proved that. Think of something…anything.

          • Ted

            You’re so blinded by your partisan nonsense that if you and Georgie boy each had one more eye you be a cyclops. How’s that? Try and be original for once knumb knuts.

          • T Ko

            What kind of partisan merde are you spoutin’ now Spanko? I haven’t even mentioned anything remotely partisan. What an idiot…and you just keep provin’ it. LOL!!! ☻

        • T Ko

          Just make note also that Jed…Zed…Hed…oh heck, Spanko, is a hypocrite, through and through. He refers to President Bush as simply, “W”.

      • George Williams

        I will not give Obama the respect of calling him president. He’s never respected the People’s laws or the Constitution and done so much damage to the nation as to warrant little respect. The otherside, the Left demand too much after treating President Bush the way they did. I don’t recall that they showed him the respect that they now demand of Obama. BO or Obama are good enough. I could be calling him worse and be techncially accurate. Liar in Chief would fit the bill.

        • T Ko

          Another excellent point…well made.

      • T Ko

        S, take note, whenever Jed refers to President Bush, he only calls him “W”. I don’t think that is respectful to the former president, do you?

        Ned…Zed…Jed…oh, you know, Spanko, is just a cheap-shot hypocrite. Period. End of story.

        (BTW, Obama owns that one now)

        • Ted

          Hey genius, what’s more disrespectful calling someone BO or W?

          • T Ko

            How ’bout “Ted”? Talk about your missing brain!

        • Sheila Warner

          There are plenty of folks who do not share my opinion. That doesn’t mean I am going to change mine. It’s only my opinion, I shared it with one person who used a derogatory label on Pres. Obama. Actually, using “W” can be seen as differentiating between him and his father. It’s the name calling, a la “the devil” that bothers me.

    • Ted

      We’ve recently confessed? To what? To kicking the ideological crap out of your narrow minded and fear based political deriere? So, hyperbolic ideologues like you and evidently Sheila claim that to disagree w/ either or both of you is to “harass” you? Maybe if your points of view had more merit you wouldn’t cut and run from those whose arguments destroy your own? Rest assured your losing these arguments in no way diminishes you as a person. And in 2024 or so your side may regain the White House. Or not.

      • George Williams

        “Maybe if your points of view had more merit you wouldn’t cut and run from those whose arguments destroy your own?”
        Want to take a poll of the bloggers as to which of you have arguments that have merit? I dare you to say yes. I’ll be the first. You’re an Obamazombie, a person without free will and a shill, paid or otherwise of the Obama regime. Every argument you make is easily countered with the truth, which is generally far from your assertions.

        Here’s an argument to defend. Try it: Obama’s prevention of the construction of the Keystone Pipeline. After all the studies have been complete, and the objections by interested parties have been addressed, including the State Department and the EPA and approvals of the states involved have been obtained, your hero is still an impediment to the project. Defend his obstruction of this important source of oil to this country. Your party claims that the Republicans are obstructionist, even though there’s no rational reason to believe his proposals will work. Virtually every “job producing” effort on Obama’s part has involved tremendous expenditures of tax money. All have been unsuccessful, yet Obama’s follow-on proposals involve more of the same, more money for projects that involve giving money to Obama and Democratic bundlers for green energy projects that will likely lead to failure. No Republican Senator or Congressman would trust Obama with a dime that could be spent outside the Executive Branch. Preventing that is obstructionism that I can live with.

        • Ted

          Ah, tortured logic at its finest. In fact, even calling your Bizarro World assemblage of thoughts “logic” does a disservice to the word starting with your notion that here on a hard core rt wingnut site more people would agree with you than me. I hope so. Hell, it’s the reason you’re here seeking affirmation and consensus, not information. If you had a pair you wouldn’t even be here seeking others to play “ain’t it awful” with.
          Please allow me to apologize to your @$$ for the kicking it’s about to receive. Now, I expect an extremist ideologue like you to claim the facts aren’t true because you didn’t know or like them but that’s on you as they’re easily verifiable.

          Re: the XL Pipeline, the environmental impact study was done by a sister company in bed with XL. Obama sent it back to them telling them to use an objective third party and redo it. To my knowledge it still hasn’t been completed probably because it would be problematic for XL. The oil extracted and method used is also the dirtiest of all types. Obama’s next environmental concern was the Ogallala aquifer in Nebraska being polluted by the pipeline. Next, the government would’ve needed to invoke imminent domain to buy 50 some houses and relocate their owners. Even a hardcore, fear based, old, ideologue like you can’t be in favor of that, can you? No, you probably are as long as it’s not your house.

          Next, the pipeline per a Cornell University study found (which you’ll promptly dismiss because you don’t like it) that it would only create 3,500 jobs. So, big deal! Lastly, the oil transported in the pipeline was NOT going to the US contrary to what you seemed to say. With your 2nd grade name calling it’s difficult to understand what point you’re making half the time. The oil was going to a port in Texas for exportation I believe to China. Now, I realize that the people you get your “facts” from like Sean Inanity, Glenn Blecch and Rash Limblob never told you these things so you’re learning about these facts for the first time. No need to thank me as I educate your fringe end of the fringe end all the time.

          As for Obama’s jobs bills that were obstructed by Baggers like you, ironic that you didn’t mention his American Jobs Act that would’ve rebuilt much of our country’s roads and bridges and which formerly your idiotic side was all for. It’s only when it will help Obama look good that you’re numb nutted side is against it. And had W not spent the trillions in Iraq we could’ve used that money and rebuilt every road and school and bridge in the US. Re: Your derriere, put some ice on it and take Advil. The swelling and foot prints will go away in a few days.

          • T Ko

            Hey Sparky, you really do need to take a couple of Xanax, maybe a couple’a shots, relax…chill…try to lose some of that bitter edge you have. You are gonna’ explode!!

          • Ted

            Hey Parkinsonia Pugilistica, so you’ve gotta keep regurgitating my name for you, huh? The next original thing you say will be your first.

          • T Ko

            Oh my, Sparky, you almost did come up with something that almost…no, never mind, it didn’t even nearly make sense.

            Good thing, though, you are consistently dumb every time.

          • George Williams

            Any expansion of the supply of oil has an affect on its price. You know, that supply and demand thing that you Marxists like to ignore. And since it is travelling through U.S. territory, it would be useful should the supply lines from the Middle East get interrupted by war.
            Gee, only 3,500 jobs? Tell that to the people who would be employed at them. And if it were the Republicans who were denying their employment, you pathetic sissies would be screaming social injustices.
            When Obama was dumping money on infrastructure projects before, he subsequently recanted, saying that there is no such thing as a shovel ready job. If your looking for a stimulus, a process whereby billions of dollars are dumped on the constrution industry and expected to be spent, and jump start the economy, repeating the same mistakes as before isn’t going to work. As they say, repeating the same failed policies as before but expecting different results is one definition of insanity. That’s Obama and the Democrats for you.

          • T Ko

            Hey, GW, ol’ Sparky, I mean Ned…Zed…Jed…oh, whatever, he’s not interested in facts unless he makes them up. That way he gets more arguments going.

          • Ted

            George, it’s interesting to note and no coincidence that the single biggest group of Anti-Obamaites are uneducated, southern, white males ages 70 and above. So, tell me what part of the South do you hail from? And I loved the way you bragged about killing POWs. Part of that compassionate Conservative masturbatory fantasy your side enjoys so much. And I’m guessing the killing of POWs was from your Civil War days spent w/ Nathan Bedford Forrest (before and after the war), wasn’t it?

          • T Ko

            You got this thing with masturbation, Spanko? You keep bringin’ it up…sounds like some perverted overtones there.

          • Integrity

            You are lying through your tooth! QED

          • George Williams

            I suppose that would be so if the people who are among those making such judgments are luddites like you. It’s interesting to note that we look at the New York Times best seller lists we find that conservative writers top the list in every case. That tells me that either the left cannot write worth sh#t or they can’t or don’t read. The fact is that the right is more literate in that they read and write prolifically, while the left, the Obamazombies are off playing bingo and indulging in non-intellectual pursuits and hanging out on the porch awaiting their welfare checks. Invariably, the publications generated by leftist writers wind up in the 50 cent bin at the book store for want of a readership.

          • Ted

            Nice try to take the moral high ground of party politics. And how self servingly, wishful thinkingly delusional. During the last election, right wing nut writers vilifying Obama and preaching the end of the world like Dinesh D’Sousa dominated the bestseller lists as well. This is because much like the listeners of rt wing nut talk radio, the average buyer of this fear mongering, fear peddling, opportunistic crap was/is white men 70 yrs old and up.
            And you guys are/were desperately then as now seeking consensus. Affirmation, not information. The desire for both sides of any issue is nonexistent to you. To you all, these books were the literary equivalent of pacifiers that told you you weren’t alone in your paranoia. You looked around and saw a shrinking white majority–2% less every 4 years. You saw Hispanic and Asian immigration (75% of whom voted for Obama. So much for free stuff!) and realized there’d no longer be enough of you to control a Presidential election again. You wanted your country back. And your Maypo neither of which you’ll ever get again! And your response was the same as in the commercial. Waaaaa!

          • T Ko

            Yeah, your one tooth, Spanky!

          • George Williams

            ” You saw Hispanic and Asian immigration (75% of whom voted for Obama.”
            Yes, the new immigrant and amnestied illegal alien are easily persuaded by the ill concieved promises of fiscally unsustainable benefits. When a vile party like the Democrats spends most of its contributions demonizing their opposition and crafting legislation that will buy their new voters, in spite of the burden on the taxpaying class and the long term affects of an exponentially growing National Debt with the implications of a national disaster, what might we expect. Your friends are taking us down the path of Venezuela, where toilet paper is in short supply and inflation is verging on triple digits.

          • T Ko

            Your ‘high-ground’ remains in the toilet, merdique, there Spanko.

          • George Williams

            “And I loved the way you bragged about killing POWs.”
            This must be one of your delusional fanasies because I can safely say that I said nothing of the kind.

          • T Ko

            Would you please actin’ like a stupid jerk-off? You really need to stop talkin’ about masturbating…Jerk!

          • keith hart

            Ted — even more — cheval merde, stumbler.

          • Sheila Warner

            Cite the source of you stats, please.

          • T Ko

            He is his only source. You can do that when you make it up on the fly.

          • T Ko

            More masturbation, huh? You are SICK!

          • Sheila Warner

            And now for another point of view from the liberals across the pond. The world does not see Pres. Obama as a champion. It was published in the Guardian this past October 28. “On Keystone XL, will Obama stand up to Big Oil?” The President is not liberal enough for the far Left when it comes to environmental policies. When his base turns on him, it’s time to turn off the lights and leave.

          • Ted

            Sheila, so when the arch liberals”turn on” Obama as you call it, doesn’t that suggest to you that Obama’s action are more middle of the road than extremist like rt wing nuts claim? If not what does it suggest to you?

          • George Williams

            Only middle of the road it we include communism a la Joe Stalin in the ideological spectrum.

          • T Ko

            Just means he’s a liar and they’ve had enough lies. Even the fat man gets full sometimes.

          • Ted

            Yep, and unlike you even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.

          • T Ko

            Don’t you wish you had a face? You might stand the possibility of being a ‘clock’, and then maybe correct sometime during the day. What a shame, Spanky.

          • Sheila Warner

            It suggest to me that the President would say anything to anyone in any political group to get his way. He dazzled the entire country with his lofty rhetoric. When the groups see the promises broken, then they feel a sense of betrayal. The fact that the far Left is disillusioned as well as the middle and the far Right, shows me that the President is an equal opportunity betrayer.

          • T Ko

            Sorry, Sheil, but I’m afraid you’re finally starting to see the truth behind this merchant of untruths.

          • Sheila Warner

            When the President pushed the blame for Benghazi on a video, at that point I was pretty certain that if his lips were moving, he was trying to deceive. After the President tried to claim that he didn’t really say if you can keep [fill in the blank] you can keep [fill in the blank], somehow trying to convince us that he originally included the caveat of “as long as it doesn’t change” after the 2009 bill, that’s when I knew for certain. I don’t trust a single word out of his mouth. I say this with great sadness; I want my President to be a man of integrity. I wonder if history will underline his lies more than his accomplishment of getting ACA passed.

          • T Ko

            Remember the ‘actions’ vs ‘words’ discussion? Well, I believe that his legacy will be honest, but that is not necessarily good. I see more harm than good at this point.

            I feel the same, i.e., I would prefer to speak of my president proudly, based upon his accomplishments. I would like to say that I was part of a good effort. I do not feel that way with the current commander-in chief.

          • Ted

            Who knew?

          • T Ko

            Who cares, Spanko? That is, of course…who cares what you think.

          • T Ko

            That he just won the Liar of The Year award. You will soon be in a very lonely place, Spanky.

          • T Ko

            S, take notice of how many times ol’ Spanko there brings up masturbation…I think he’s got something else on his mind. Maybe in his hand.

          • Sheila Warner

            Sorry, I stay out of conversations with sexual innuendo. Takes away from the substance of an issue.

          • T Ko

            I can respect your feeling and honor it. However, please pay attention to the innuendos and inferences that Ned likes to dice his comments with–he owns those all by himself.

          • Sheila Warner

            As I said, I try to ignore off-color inferences. I don’t want the person who uses them to get any recognition of such foulness from me. If you ignore someone long enough, he goes away. Most of the time.

          • T Ko

            Yes, we can only hope they will fade away. If there was anything worthy of reading that they said I might read it. However, I just love when Jed just goes on and on and on…for what? I guess he loves to hear himself speak.

            No one else is paying attention.

          • Ted

            You’re such a complete suck ass…….sparky. You and your punk ass need to learn how to deal w/ it.

          • keith hart

            Ted — once again —cheval merde, stumbler.

          • Ted

            Ok quiz time? how do you keep a knucklehead in suspense, cabeza de Ricardo?

      • D Parri
      • T Ko

        Thanks, Jed. Every time you comment you can’t help but show how stupid you are. You REALLY are! LOL!!!

      • Sheila Warner

        I never complained about being harassed. I’ve corrected mistakes. Still do. I also step away from arguments that are merely TP for the President’s agenda, during which no substantive discussion takes place. Ignoring whole parts of a comment while seizing on a tiny piece of it shows that the person in the argument cannot hold a substantive discussion together. I have a thick skin–I am not harassed. To me, harassment is stalking. That hasn’t happened here.

        • Ted

          Correctamundo Sheila. No it hasn’t.

          • T Ko

            Although you still can’t spell, at least you got the answer right.

          • Gringoviejo

            Estimadisimo Eduardo, cuando te quejas de ortografia en el ingles, cuidate de hacerlo corectamente en otras idiomas o solo demostraras tu grandeza de estupidez.

          • T Ko

            Él tiene mucha grandeza de la estupidez.

      • keith hart

        Whew! Ted, you really should stop short of actual convulsions.

        • T Ko

          I think he’s in a state of perpetual con vul sation! LOL

          ☺ ☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺

    • Ted

      Notice: tko’s rhetoric packs the intellelectual “heft” of a pillow fight and is just logical.

      • T Ko

        Petit poisson d’argent de merde connu sous le nom de Ted.

        Chew on that one…you are full of it already.

  • T Ko

    My, my, Sparky, settle down, you sound very upset and bitter…what a shame! LOL

  • chas

    What I think is getting lost in the discussion of the disaster that is Obamacare was that even before the lies began that Obama had the nerve to tell people that they could keep their insurance policies. My insurance policy is between my insurer and me and how dare Obama just come along and tell me I can keep something that has nothing to do with him. It’s a lot like the Mafia … “sure is a nice insurance policy you got there it would be a shame if something happened to it.” I wish people early on would have seen just how blatantly the government was sticking their nose in our business and rejected it on the grounds that the government should just stay out of our affairs.

    • T Ko

      It was obvious, but people were pie-eyed.

      • Sheila Warner

        And they hated the GOP so much, reality meant nothing to them. The GOP tried to do something about the loss of individual plans in 2010. I bet the Democrats are kicking themselves now for killing the bill. No wonder there was a GOP/TP landslide later on in the November elections.

        • T Ko

          You got it!

        • Ted

          Whew, good thing you’re NOT a Republican. So, did you take that political spectrum test yet? Hint: You may not like what you find out about your views.

          • T Ko

            So, you want to say you’re interested? Liar.

          • legal eagle

            Shelia’s statement that she is an “independent” sounds a lot like O’Reilly’s….

          • Ted

            Agreed. And as I said, finding someone who claims to be a Republican anymore is like finding someone who admits voting for Nixon.

          • T Ko

            And you always did think that Jimmy Carter was the ideal president, didn’t you?

          • keith hart

            The advantage of your dull wittedness to you is you stumble thru one gaffe after another unaware of how much a fool you appear to be. Heh…heh…heh. You’re an embarrassment to your own lefties.

          • Sheila Warner

            Well, Ted, short of sending a copy of my voter registration, you’ll have to take my word for it. I left the GOP in 1992.

          • T Ko

            How you enjoyin’ the legacy left by Carter, there Spanky?

          • T Ko

            Can’t stand “Independent”, huh? Not sure which direction to throw the rock?

          • Sheila Warner

            Thank you. It’s sad when someone wants to obfuscate with innuendo.

          • keith hart

            Show us your empathy gene and apologize to Sheila for that vulgar slob crack “beating on women …. funny stuff.”
            anti-Semite.

          • legal eagle

            You said I was “beating on women”….I responded because your comment was “funny stuff”…. I should apologize for what?

          • T Ko

            Apologize for making any comments.

          • T Ko

            That’s funny, I don’t think she even asked for your opinion. So…keep it.

    • Sheila Warner

      The GOP House members saw this in 2010. But because the GOP was ignored by the Dems in the House, and because it was before the mid-term elections, no Democrat supported their attempts to try and pass the bill which would have negated what the regulation demanded. (That regulation which stated that if an insurance policy saw even a small change, it would lose its grandfather provision). The Dems’ opposition killed the bill. The Dems have been quite good, at least up to now, of painting the GOP as attacking the AHA due to partisan politicking. Sen Mary L from LA (I can’t spell her name) had the nerve to act shocked–SHOCKED!–that this was happening. She went before the cameras to say she was going to introduce legislation to fix the problem. Once it was broadcast, by the “evil” FNC, that she voted in 2010 against the legislation to do just that, she went away. Of course, Harry Reid would never allow such legislation onto the Senate floor, anyway. smh

  • keith hart

    Mr. Goldberg, please disregard all previous recent requests. I’ve changed my mind. We’re having too much fun with this one.

  • keith hart

    This exchange is too revealing to leave buried in the batch.

    legal eagle >>>> keith hart
    Shelia is on Medicare…Her health plan got changed not canceled…”beating on women”? Now that’s funny stuff…

    keith hart >>>> legal eagle
    Not only an anti-Semite, you’re now a misogynist. Do your Soros group employers know? Sure they do

    • D Parri

      Don’t forget, Legal Weasel is also a pervert…a sick individual.

  • Jeff Webb

    As Sheila mentioned before, did the State Dept do a good job? What do you think of the way Obama et al handled Benghazi?

  • Wheels55

    What’s also telling is that Obama was not on the list for Time’s person of the year. That means Time thought more of Cyrus and Snowden than the President. Actually, I do too.

    • keith hart

      After that ‘selfie’ with the blonde babe Danish PM at a somber occasion(?), I doubt Barack is ‘Man of the Year’ with Michelle either.

      Well, Barack has always been a horsing around cutup, since the days revealed by that famous teen photo: him in the pimp hat, lounging back, toking on that big spliff.

      It’s good to be the King.

      • George Williams

        Prediction: Michelle will abscond with the family jewells in the middle of the night, capping what has become one of the most interesting, albeit frightening presidencies in the history of this nation. Fortunately for him, he will never miss them.

        • keith hart

          The only other possibly comparable presidency I can think of is if Aaron Burr had won.

          • Ted

            How quickly and selectively you forgot W. It’s only been 5 years and all that electro shock therapy has evidenlty done its job. W will go down as a Bottom 5 Prez giving Harding and run for his money. Hell, all of Obama’s mistakes combined don’t add up to W’s failure to protect us on 9/11 and Iraq.

          • T Ko

            You truly are a loon.

    • Ted

      Good thing Obama wasn’t on Time’s list or your side would’ve liberal bias and had a cerebral vasvular accident like you did when he got the Nobel Peace prize.

      • keith hart

        I think the alcohol is taking effect.

        • T Ko

          His head is about to explode…. LOL!

      • T Ko

        Get out your dictionary again, please. It’s hard to understand you when you can’t spell. Very bad.

        • keith hart

          T Ko, I think it’s way too difficult for Ted to manage handling a dictionary once the alcohol has taken effect.

      • George Williams

        Only a narcissist would accept an award for something he never did. The act of it speaks volumes of how small a man he really is.

        • Ted

          Given that you had/have no chance to win the award your point is moot.

          • T Ko

            An executive order will do it.

          • George Williams

            I’ll bet if I could poll the Nobel Peace Prize committee today, and asked about the wisdom of their decision, they be too ashamed to answer. Obama has done virtually nothing since his election as president to promote peace in the world or to make it a safer place to live. Name one thing, just one.

          • T Ko

            They are regretting it. Obama received several awards just recently, and they all involved his lying.

          • Ted

            Easy Sparky, hey look on the bright side. Your, “I want my country back” BS will all be over in 3 more years when Obama leaves and he and Michelle reactivate their law licenses. You remember? The one those propaganda based, chain emails said were taken away? Then you can be paranoid and hate the next Dem in the WH for 8 more years and who knows which Dem after that? Enjoy!

          • T Ko

            Sorry, wrong, Sparko, the country will never be the same again, but I think you are the one at risk–not me.

          • Ted

            There was this guy named bin Laden that he took out. It was in all the papers and everything guess you didn’t hear. He got him in less than 3 years as he promised when W (who closed the CIA’s bin Laden task force office in 06) couldn’t get him in 7 years.

          • T Ko

            That’s funny, all this time I have heard that it was the military that took him out. I never even heard that OD was in Afghanistan.

          • Ted

            Nope. Crawled up and got him W/ his K-bar.

          • T Ko

            That’s good…just now make that one up?

          • T Ko

            You must be think (maybe?) about someone else.

          • George Williams

            Killing one person does not promote peace. I don’t recall FDR or Churchill getting the Nobel Peace Prize for defeating Hitler. The NPP is not given for killing people. Only you would construe that as promoting world peace. LOL!

          • T Ko

            GW, he will construe anything to be whatever he wants to say it is…Damn The Truth! …or somethin’ like that.

          • keith hart

            It was team 6 that got bin laden. I don’t recall Obama kicking in the door. The photo shows Obama wringing his hands in the Sitroom. After weighing the oops & downs of the Op for 5 hours on the golf links.

          • Ted

            As in Seal team 6 perhaps? Interesting that you either omitted and/or didn’t know that Obama’s military advisors wanted to bomb the compound but Obama wanted a d chose the helicopter assault/attack that transpired.

            If I’m not mistaken tko was a Salvation Army Seal who did two tours outside a Kmart in Birmingham ringing that little bell. He assured me that not one the enemy got passed him. Ding ding ding!

          • T Ko

            What bathroom stall did you get that story out of? Never mind…I really don’t want to know.

          • T Ko

            OD didn’t decide how to do it or how to go about it. He only practiced saying, “Ok.”

          • Ted

            You and your lies are merely bovine excrement as usual. What a schwantz.

          • T Ko

            Ok, and you are a really merdique Jed, or Zed…or Ded…or whatever! Anyway you are definitely one big pile of merde, but you know all the references to the male genitalia. Must be your specialty, Spanky.

          • T Ko

            OD didn’t have any more to do with it than say, “Ok”, and that was it. You are a raging fool to think otherwise. Ok, you are a raging fool.

          • T Ko

            Fred is trying to think…and then type…and then read…and then….

          • T Ko

            The least worthy person is ObamaDevil.

          • Ted

            How unsurprising that to a zealot like you, he’s the anti-Christ. Please allow me to express my surprise!

          • T Ko

            No, he’s just one of his loyal servants.

          • T Ko

            Feigned surprise looks really stupid, Sparko.

      • keith hart

        All those vodka shooters and you were still able to find the edit button — do not put the car key in the ignition.

      • T Ko

        Hey, you found your dictionary! Now, when you learn what all those big words actually mean, you can see how stupid you are.

        Ain’t it wonderful…Sparky?

        • Ted

          I’ll make it fair, I’ll only use half of my brain which still twice what it takes in your case.

          • T Ko

            Half a brain all you have? That’s what I thought!

          • I Hate Fascists

            Or as you right wingers call it, gifted.

          • Ted

            Good point! Yeah, intellectually I’m a sportsman :-). And much like playing golf against an opponent using handicaps to level the playing field, I try to use just enough brain power to clearly win the battle while allowing the rt wing nuts here to think they actually had a shot to win the debate. So far this method has been working extremely well with ideologues like tko and George. Tko especially no longer even makes any comments of a substantive nature, preferring instead to offer these immature tu quoque sentences as though they’re valid points. His comments are the intellectual equivalent of sticking his tongue out. He’ll be by in a bit and prove it.

          • I Hate Fascists

            Good stuff bro! We need more liberals like you because Daly and Webb aka the Insane Clown Posse are on a mission to shut us up

          • keith hart

            Ted, I’m sure you are very well accustomed to using half your brain.

          • Ted

            At this site and to level the playing field, I certainly am. I knew it would take a bright guy to discern that so good job in noticing!

          • T Ko

            Hey, Spanky, did you ever find a half yet? Keep lookin’ you might have a half-brain…maybe a third…fourth…ok, maybe a sliver of one.

      • George Williams

        Have you looked at your progressive Time magazine lately, Ted? It has about the same number of pages as a small supermarket handout. It’s a sad shadow of what was once a good sized magazine. Today, it’s nothing but a propaganda rag for the Left. It’s fading fast. Time’s “Man of the Year” is not what it use to be. No one respects it anymore. Tell me again how he’s lived up to his Nobel Peace Prize. Is it his hit list and all those drone killings, or maybe all those innocent Mexicans he’s managed to get killed from his regime’s Fast and Furious gun walking program? If he’s responsible for getting Bin Laden, then by analogy, he’s responsible for all those other things as well. You can’t have it both ways. I’ll tell you one thing, in spite of your annointing him the new messiah, he’s no Jesus Christ, Prince of Peace. If the Nobel Peace Prize is an incentive award to lure people into doing great things, it does not seem to work.

      • Wheels55

        I didn’t care, and still don’t care, that Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize. I just don’t know what he has done to deserve it. That makes the Nobel Peace Prize rather worthless.

        • Ted

          Ok so it was a weak field. So, specifically who would you have awarded it to? W?

          • T Ko

            Anyone besides OD.

  • http://hemingwayreport.blogspot.com/ MerchantofVenom

    Barry has so many frequent liar miles he could fly to Mars.

  • keith hart

    Lest folks suspect I have it in for Obama personally, I’m sure I would enjoy some laughs over a couple of beers with the man.

    Although, I really hate golf. My passion is racquetball.

    If they would invent ‘contact golf ‘, where between the time you take your stroke and get to your next lie, you’re liable to full contact tackles suddenly sprung on you, trying to prevent you from getting there.

    If someone were to come up with that golf, I might just take another look.

    I’m opposed to Obama because of his actions. Not his skin color, not his background, not his place of origin, not his opinions, not that he likes golf. His actions — that’s it. That’s the all of it.

    • D Parri

      That is the only measure needed to see that he has been a failure as a leader and U.S. president. Period. “End of story.” :-)

      • keith hart

        ‘End of Story’

        • IHF

          Jesus would you 2 lovebirds find a men’s room and do the deed already? You remind me of McCain and Graham for Christs sake!

        • Sperman Herman

          Jesus would you 2 lovebirds find a men’s room and do the deed already? You remind me of McCain and Graham for Christs sake!

        • Sherman Herman

          Jesus would you 2 lovebirds find a men’s room and do the deed already? You remind me of McCain and Graham for Christs sake!

    • George Williams

      I’m curious. How could anyone with a sense of right and wrong associate with someone who’s as corrupt as Barack Obama? This is a ends-justifies-means Democrat who would lie and cheat to achieve his agenda, and has done so, many times. Most people wouldn’t socialized with known wife beaters or child abusers, but they’ll tolerate other unprincipled people. Personally, I hold the man in such contempt that I could not stomach to sit at the same table chucking it up with him. The problem with this country is that it succumbs to charm over principle too often. There was a time when people wouldn’t do so.

      • keith hart

        George, the only thing I can say in my own defense is : at Gettysburg, when the 69th Pennsylvania were the only ones to hold their ground at the Angle — while 2 other union regiments cut and ran — and repel the Rebs. The 69th cheered those Virginia boys in retreat.

    • Ted

      Congrats!

      • T Ko

        Thanks.

    • keith hart

      It just occurred to me why Obama so loves golf. It gives him the constant opportunity to get to his next lie.

      You see how desperate it’s getting, Mr. Goldberg?

      We really do need that next essay to go to battle over.

      • Daly Dildo

        What difference does it make? You just pick up where you left off with your Obama hate fest.

        You are not good enough to hold Obama’s putter or clean his balls

  • Brian Fr Langley

    Don’t you just love the new Obama care deductibles??? If I make good bucks and my spouse makes good bucks, to see a Dr. we have to come up with a big deductible. In the meantime a local panhandler (who reports no income ) goes to the front of the line? No premiums to pay ( or highly subsidized) and NO giant deductible?

    • Sheila Warner

      It’s the duty of the well off to take care of the less fortunate. That is President Obama’s legacy, and his plan for health care reform. “From each according to his ability to each according to his need.” I hear he has that quote framed in the residence.

      • D Parri

        Yes, and if Obama truly believed in that he would be eager to sign up and contribute in order to help someone else out.

        He has not signed up yet. Jay Carney stated that he has until March 31, 2014.

        Might be a small pittance in the big scheme of things, but it does seem to indicate some hypocrisy on his part. It’s not the first time though.

        • Ted

          Spoken like a true Hannity acolyte. Well done. Don’t you think Obama and his family are already covered and have you asked Boehner or Mitch the same question re: their coverage?

          • Integrity

            Why would someone that opposed the law sign up for it? Why would someone that thinks it is so great grant waivers or exclude themselves? Epic fail again on your part. Since you are so brilliant, please explain to me how the evil Republicans obstructed Obama during the first two years of his first term. Chirp, chirp, chirp. QED

          • Ted

            Way to ignore that last 5 years. But I digress.There are these things called filibusters and your side has pulled an unprecedented 420 of them. Yep, even when the Dems controlled Congress your side still filibustered.

            Just as raging Boehner and Mitch (the Biotch) McConnell promised they’d do on the 2008 Inauguration evening at their little conspirators meeting. The plan: Obstruct everything and then ask “What did Obama get done”? You’d have to go back 50 yrs and add all of those Congresses filibusters up to even begin to approach that number. And then they even obstructed every appt he submitted resulting in the recent law where a simple majority votes for his judicial appts. Hence, your side’s howling like a stuck pig. Geez, you’d think the Dems were torturing cats to hear Issa and you all wail. Sounds like a bunch 3rd grade girls watching the movie Halloween 2 for heaven’s sake.

          • Integrity

            I would agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong. Please explain to me how the ACA passed if the Republicans were able to filibuster everything. The Republicans were powerless to stop it, so now we are stuck with this travesty. Epic fail again on your part. I am not a Republican. Another epic fail on your part. President Obama had carte blanche to do anything he wanted during his first two years of office. How does that add up to five years? Both parties have been guilty of hypocrisy regarding the filibuster rule, including your beloved one. Both parties are guilty of obstruction as well. Some of it I am very thankful for. You might as well keep digressing since you have lost all credibility. QED

          • T Ko

            Yeah, Pres O isn’t idiot enough to put HIS personal information on a site that has security with as many holes as Swiss cheese. But it’s good enough for the peons that hired him. Despicable.

          • T Ko

            If it is good enough for the American people, then it should be good enough for them.

  • buckrodgers

    The only difference between Republicans is the following,Republicans tell you right up front that their going to stick it to the middle class, while Democrats want to give you a big kiss before they do the same thing, Democrats always want the Republicans to do their dirty work or does anybody really believe that Warren Buffet or Bill Mahr want to pay more in taxes, white liberals also likes to label everybody but themselves a racist, they attack Megan Kelly but forgive Tom Hanks when he shares the stage with a white man wearing a black face at his kids all white school, the Democrats always get a pass from the media, white Democrats can’t afford to criticize America’s first African American President that controls ninety percent of the black vote if the want to win elections and the media along with Hollywood which are dominated by caucasians risk being labeled a closet racist if they dare to criticize the man they once proclaimed a god, white liberals, the self proclaimed master and protectors of minorities, especially African Americans, have been reduced ti nothing more than President Obama white slaves.

    • keith hart

      Mr. Goldberg …… please! See what I mean?

    • George Williams

      Just what have Republicans done to stick it to the middle class?

    • Stimpy

      Wow, you win the run on sentence award. See that ‘dot’ at the end of ‘award’ — that’s a period. Learn to use it.

  • D Parri

    OBAMA’S LEGACY
    Obama’s legacy will be a national debt that doubled on his watch, a healthcare industry that is in much worse shape than when he started, a history of being the biggest liar of a president–ever, and a foreign policy failure that has put the U.S. in the most compromised position that it has seen in decades.

    His failure as a leader has spread in five years like a deadly virus, and his administration is now the most wasteful, bloated, and corrupt in history.

    Increased entitlement spending has become an addiction and is now a trend that may never be reversed until collapse of the pillars of debt which support it.

    Finally, overreach by this president will be precedential in years to come, particularly if the same measures are taken up and employed by the GOP.

    • Wheels55

      Obama’s legacy will include only one positive thing: He is the first black President. Something he only got half right. That all unravels when one sees how little the black race has advanced under his watch (probably took a step backwards).

      • D Parri

        A step back? Yes. Actually I can foresee a day when the black community will shudder at the mention of OD (Obama-Devil) because of the stain he has left them with.

        Understandably, many African-Americans have supported him in his bids for office, but the longer-lasting mess that he has created is not something that they will be proud of remembering.

        It is a shame that so many people have been duped into believing the rhetoric that has no place in the lives of good and honest Americans of all races.

  • keith hart

    Mr. Goldberg, I think it may be time for you to post another essay. It would seem we all have sucked about as much marrow there is to be gotten out of this one. I sense a certain arm weariness in the 15th round in every one.

    Oh. If Obama were to apply the ‘stick’ to his youth constituency for not playing ball with Obamacare. What ‘stick’ do you think that would be?

  • keith hart

    Thought For The Day

    Don’t you just love marxists [sic]
    how they’re always denying they’re marxists.
    Except when they’re talking to each other,
    then they’re marxists.
    As if we’re not listening.
    I guess they don’t know that.

    Well, y’know what they say —
    if it looks like a duck,
    if it quacks like a duck,
    it’s a marxist.

  • Sheila Warner

    Well, now it’s me who is personally affected. Got my letter from my insurer telling me my plan will end on December 31. I enrolled in another one this evening. Higher monthly premiums with fewer benefits. Nice.

    • keith hart

      you still a moderate?

      • Sheila Warner

        Yes. But I have never supported the ACA, because as someone who worked for years in the medical field as a nurse, I knew that the plan was doomed from the start. Insurers were trying hard to maximize profits (not always a bad thing), which often resulted in people having needed medical treatment delayed or even denied. You can’t add millions more to plans, insist on no lifetime caps, increased benefits, and no discrimination for pre-existing conditions, and not expect insurers to raise prices. That was common sense right from the start. Not to mention the need to rid the nation of certain types of coverage to force more people in. But I am a moderate. We could have addressed the problem of the uninsured without destroying the insured.

        • keith hart

          Sheila, two things, if I may ——-
          You can get paragraph spacing by holding down ‘shift’ and hitting ‘enter’ twice

          Moderates — more than any of the rest of us — have a more exigent need for belief in the power of prayer.

          • keith hart

            I missed the final point I wanted to convey. You are absolutely right in the things you just said concerning ACA

          • Sheila Warner

            Thanks for the tip. I get confused sometimes when I am on so many threads, and sometimes my responses get messed up. I assume that the shift and double enter is on a PC? That’s what I am using.

            Ha, it works. I don’t get into the whole Soros vs Koch Brothers fight. Rich people always try to influence elections on both sides. It’s why politics is so corrupt.

          • keith hart

            Sheila, go back up above. I think you owe Paul a small ‘sorry’. He was coming to your assistance.

          • keith hart

            Yes. They are on a PC.

            It’s why politics is so exciting.

          • D Parri

            Good man, K! :-)

    • legal eagle

      Stop whining and look for a better deal….

      • Sheila Warner

        What I got was the best deal out of only three that were available to me. You don’t get it, there are no “better deals” out there unless you get free coverage a la Medicaid, or you are poor enough to get subsidies. Even then, the out of pocket and deductibles are high.

        • keith hart

          What are you doin’, Sheila. Don’t you realize to whom you’re attempting to reason with — a paid soros disruptor. You did make a resolution to yourself the other day — didn’t you?

          • Sheila Warner

            Sorry. I hit the wrong button. Really really stupid of me. I tried to fix it but I couldn’t. Please accept my sincerest apology! I made a mistake; I’m human.

          • keith hart

            Sheila, no problem. Didn’t edit function work?

          • Sheila Warner

            I had no idea what I was doing last night. I was up for 31 hours straight, and the more the hours ticked by, the worse I got. Today is a clean slate. Uggh.

        • legal eagle

          I can tell you that, at least in New York and California, there are many options available for health insurance by going directly through the insurance company or a decent broker…..Try it..

          • Sheila Warner

            I live in NJ. I have Medicare Advantage. Three companies are contracted in my state and county (there are restrictions depending on what county in NJ you reside). I chose the least expensive option, and my premium still rose 50%. Must be due to the $500 million that is being cut from Medicare.

      • Paul Courtney

        Where’s your liberal compassion now, pigeon?

        • Sheila Warner

          I’m a moderate who never supported the ACA. Where did you ever get the idea that I am a liberal apologist?You obviously don’t follow me at all.

          • keith hart

            Look a little closer. Paul was addressing l.e.

          • Sheila Warner

            I apologized to poor Paul. Sleep is a beautiful thing. I feel so much better today. Got nearly 5 hours, and my head is much clearer. Glad I have folks here keeping an eye out for my dumb stuff. Thx.

          • Paul Courtney

            Sheila, not talking to you, I call him pigeon ’cause anyone who calls himself “legal eagle” views himself as soaring when, in fact, he’s doing to a statue what Obama is doing to good folk like you.

          • D Parri

            I prefer the more accurate image of Legal Weasel.

          • Sheila Warner

            Man, I didn’t even mean to reply to you. As I told Keith, I was up for 31 hours straight last night, and totally screwed up lots of my comments, missed points on threads, forgot who I was talking to, etc.. I have to stay away from the keyboard after I’ve passed the 24 hours awake situation. So sorry!

        • AbdullahtheButcher

          He’s more like a turkey.

      • Integrity

        Unfortunately, I don’t think there is one available for her. QED

      • Jeff Webb

        When one of Obama’s policies screws YOU over (assuming that hasn’t happened already), if you’re smart you’ll keep it to yourself.

        Of course, if you were smart you wouldn’t be pro-Obama…

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          He’d never admit it, Jeff. He’s an Obama-zombie through and through. The prez could confiscate his house and he’d still shill for him.

          • D Parri

            JD, I think IHF is back under the moniker of “SpermanHerman”. Cute, huh? The guy is a real loser.

            He’ll probably be flagged soon.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Oh, he comes back just about every day as someone else. He’s kind of like Michael Scott on that episode of the Office, when he’s kicked out of Phillis’ wedding and keeps trying to break back inside because he can’t stand not being the focus of everyone’s attention. lol.

          • D Parri

            Yeah, he’s got one solid measurement as an affirmation of success–getting kicked off. I think he gives himself way too much credit. Good job, again, J.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Oh, he actually hates that his posts get deleted. He has tied his entire self-worth to this website, and I have no idea why.

        • Ted

          Oh? How’s your 401k doing over the last 5 years? Has it more than doubled like mine has?

          • George Williams

            I hate destroy to your blissful ignorance, but your 401K is full of value inflated stocks. The main reason that stocks have risen is because money has fled the lending business because interests rates are low. There’s been so much money looking for a limited number of stocks that the prices of stocks rose accordingly. If you understood supply and demand you’d know that. When interest rates rise money will flee stocks and your 401K values will tank. It has to happen eventually. Bask in your ignorance if you will. You can thank your wonderful president for your delusion, as the Fed has done his bidding by keeping interests rates low, in order to encourage business lending. It hasn’t worked, mainly because of the new mountains of regulations Obama has created, and because of Obamacare. Obamacare taxes have discouraged hiring and threaten to destroy the profitability of businesses. It was a real bright idea to impose new costs to employers at a time when unemployment is at an all time high. Does that answer your question, Obamazombie? LOL!

          • Ted

            And that’s why my money has been in stocks. Evidently, yours isn’t. My condolences.

          • George Williams

            Considering your ignorant response, you apparently either didn’t comprehend what I wrote, or you never read it.

          • Ted

            As great economists go, we both know that you’re not one of them.

          • George Williams

            You wouldn’t even make a good book keeper, never mind an economist.

          • Ted

            Sounds like you’ve been trickled on…..a lot. I’m a rare breed of Keynes, Krugman w/ a dash Art Laffer thrown in.

          • George Williams

            Keynes has been proven so wrong that he’s among those who advocated that the earth moves around the sun, but like those who believe in the global warming theory, they remain firmly and irretrievably entrenched in their beliefs, until death do they part. You knew I was right about the inflated condition of the stock market, but you are like Obama, not reluctant to use whatever fact you need, regardless of their validity.

          • Paul Courtney

            Not rare enough.

          • Ted

            Clever w/ a capital K. If you knew anything about the names I mentioned you’d be laffing you overly serious and uninformed @$$ off.

          • Paul Courtney

            Was laughing then, and am I laughing now. I’m not rare, just a mix of Mo, Larry and Curly, does mentioning their names make me a Stooge? No, but placing myself in rare company like Keynes and Laffer might. As for Krugman, the Curly Joe of Economists, also not rare enough.

          • T Ko

            I’m laughing (see how it’s actually spelled?) because you even mentioned those names. You can say their names, but you ain’t got a clue as to what they’re about, Sparky.

          • T Ko

            Amen to that, brother!

          • T Ko

            Sounds like a lot of Obama squishing around between those ears…hmmmm.

          • T Ko

            Oh, you’re the standard, huh? Like I always said, it’s all in your definition. Your sucks.

          • George Williams

            I have what’s called the Thrift Savings Plan, most of which is in stocks. However, I have no delusions as to why my portfolio has risen and when it will fall. Your ignorance is astounding.

          • Ted

            Knowledge good, delusions bad. As your broker Georgey boy I say watch out for the taper and what kind of correction it causes. No need to thk me.

          • T Ko

            No thanks coming.

          • T Ko

            Wrong stocks though. Too bad.

          • Sheila Warner

            Exactly. Just wait until the Feds ease off of QE.

          • Ted

            Wrong again Dow Jones breath. $10 billion QE reduction and a 237 pt gain. Chicken Little anyone?

          • Sheila Warner

            QE is still taking place, The Feds were considering stopping it and the markets went down. No chicken little on my part, just a lifetime of watching the markets in general. And my retirement fund, in particular. It took nearly 5 years to get back to where I started. I’m glad for your success. That’s you. Millions of Americans are not you. That’s all.

          • Ted

            It was just announced that the QE will be tapered downward by $10 billion per month. And despite all the gloom and doom from the right, the mkt gave it it’s blessing with a 300 pt gain to a new record high. So much for Chicken Little prognositications doncha think?

          • Sheila Warner

            It’s still early. I think there will be a correction at some point. That’s all.

          • T Ko

            Ok, you’re a chicken…and you’re little…what now, Sparky?

          • T Ko

            How about a separate managed fund that has seen 10x’s increase in 7 years? Ain’t got it? Too bad.

          • Ted

            If I inexplicably want your opinion I’ll give it to you.

          • keith hart

            Ted, Thanx. You just summed up the entire leftist political philosophy in a nutshell — see how those vodka shooters can do wonders.

          • T Ko

            It’s free…enjoy it sparky.

          • Ted

            So, have you sent Obama a thank you note yet, Sparky?

          • T Ko

            Why would I do that…it would have been better under a real president.

      • George Williams

        Tell us about your insurance situation, legal buzzard. Apparently you went on the web site and made a great deal, or perhaps you’re on Medicare by now, and are not yet affected by the millions who’ve been added to the Medicare rolls, despite the fact that the fantastic increase in the patient – doctor ratio, making health care inaccessible despite the so-called insurance coverage. If you’re on Medicare, expect to have long wait times between visits if you are on a prophylaxis regimen schedule due to your geriatric situation. Maybe the “death panels” will decide that your treatment is no longer effective and you’ll be left to pay for treatments yourself. LOL!

        • Sheila Warner

          I am on Medicare and my Medicare Advantage plan was cancelled. I was able to get another one, with only three choices offered because of where I live in NJ. The premium is 50% higher with reduced benefits. All health insurances are affected. I’ll be even the new and improved Medicaid will be a disaster. No one takes Medicaid now; what will happen next year?

  • keith hart

    The White House announced this morning, Thamsanqa Jantjie, the interpreter standing beside the president at last week’s memorial service, has been hired to accompany the president for all of his public speaking engagements for the coming year.

    Jay Carney told the white house press corps, in a hastily assembled press conference, ” Mr. Jantjie accompanying the president makes a lot of sense. Mr. Jantjie’s interpreting skills will enhance the president’s ability to get his message across to voters in the coming year, both to the hearing impaired as well as the mentally impaired”.

    A Secret Service spokesman accompanying Mr. Carney stated, ” Mr. Jantjie’s ‘schizophrenia with violent tendencies’ will also serve to enhance the president’s security detail”.

    There were no questions from the press corps.

    • Sheila Warner

      I missed that one. Is this serious, or did you get this from The Onion?

      • keith hart

        Oh, I believe nothing from the Onion — who does? Jay Carney is far more credible, don’t you think?

        • Ted

          Hint: The Onion is satire!

          • keith hart

            Ted, could you possibly be more densely humorless. Dry is wry and wry is dry.

          • T Ko

            Too bad.

    • Ted

      How ironic that W and Cheney were the guys who taught him to sign during their speeches. And enough already w/ the ad populem BS that if you call out a racist con for his obvious racism that makes that person the real racist. It’s no mere coincidence that the single biggest group of Obama critics are uneducated, southern, white males ages 70 and up. Or is that redundant? This group was the KKK alumni from the 60′s.

      • keith hart

        Could you possibly be more obtuse?

        • Ted

          Is there more to that or am I supposed to guess?

          • T Ko

            Hey, have some fun…guess.

      • T Ko

        So, lifetime membership, Sparky?

    • Sheila Warner

      OMG, just re-read this. I was up for 31 hours the past day and a half, and it sure showed in my dumba$$ reply. Missed the satire completely. Never type when you’ve been up that many hours. I really messed up a lot last night, into the wee hours of the morning.

    • D Parri

      S’pose the guy could come in through Mexico and then sign up for NObamaCare?

      He might even run for president…I heard that Obama could get him a birth certificate to show he was born in the U.S.

  • 601hancock

    Well said Bernie!!

  • MaleMatters

    Well put, Bernie.

    If you think the president’s lies are a terrible thing, reflect on this:

    In 2009, Obama said Medicaid is “a broken system.” Did he propose plans to fix it? No. He is bringing millions of more Americans into the broken system. This is a prescription for disaster.

    “People respond to incentives, although not necessarily in ways that are predictable or manifest. Therefore, one of the most powerful laws in the universe is the law of unintended consequences.” -From the book “SuperFreakonomics”

    That in mind, see:

    “Obamacare: Making a bad situation worse”
    http://relevantmatters.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/obamacare-will-make-a-bad-situation-worse/

    • Paul Courtney

      Barry recently told friendly reporter that gov’t doesn’t work so good. Did he try to fix the gov’t agencies before he handed them management of health insurance markets? Guess “making gov’t work better” too small, that won’t get you a “big f***in’ deal” from Joe Biden

    • D Parri

      Let’s see what the $500 billion reduction in Medicare will do for all those folks who have had something up till now. I’ll bet that there will be some very angry people in January. Impeachment time, anybody?

  • keith hart

    Obama’s Upcoming Ops Plan

    Healthcare Premiums Double ……..Triple …….Quadruple
    Family Budgets Bust …………Bankruptcies Rise
    Consumer Spending Dries Up
    Obama Vows Again No Rest Til More Jobs
    Economy In Free Fall
    Obama Plays Golf
    Knock Out Game Spreads Nationwide
    Obama Rules by Executive Orders

    • D Parri

      K, the scary thing is it sounds so realistic–if we stay on the same NObama path that we’ve been on.

      • keith hart

        D, I fear these will be the Washington Post headlines.
        Family budget busting premiums leave no discretionary income. 70 % of our economy is consumer spending. Goods stop being made. Layoffs follow. Economic downward spiral produces heightened social pressure. Youth are the most vulnerable to stress cracks. As far as rule by executive order — time will tell.

        • D Parri

          Yes, K, that is the scenario that I see, and you can see that it ain’t pretty.

          Even if we are not good lemming herders, at least we can attempt to ring the bells and provide a warning.

          • keith hart

            That’s why we have to stop this thing — there is no room for compromise. This thing has to be stopped.

            I believe — with all my heart— in the American people. We are not idiots. We are not soft. We are not lazy. We are resilient. I will not quit on the American people.

            The ratio of decent to indecent remains constant from one generation to the next.

          • D Parri

            Absolutely no argument…but the manner is what is yet to be revealed. I do believe that is not wrong to continue the offense, regardless of any vision in winning the war.

            The only words which we should caution ourselves with are to be careful not to alienate so many good people who may have been duped into believing Obama’s false promises. His promise sounded good, but it was a lie. Period.

          • keith hart

            Don’t forget the ‘end of story’.

          • D Parri

            Please pardon, yes, “End of story.”

          • legal eagle

            What is with this collective “we”? The United States has a population of over 300 million. You believe, with all your heart, that 300 million Americans have the same goals and aspirations that you do?

          • T Ko

            How does that matter?

          • D Parri

            I apologize for even giving notice to him, but Legal Weasel is best left to his own rants–by himself. Ignoring him works best.

          • keith hart

            D, thanks for leading l.e. to me — he got what he deserved. The damn leftie anti-Semite that he is.

          • D Parri

            Yeah, damned leftie, anti-Semite, perverted, weasel, liar, Obama-zombie that he is.

          • keith hart

            ‘Period. End of Story.’ Thanx barack for that one. Some quotes are just so memorable they will go down in history. hopefully barry, so will you.

          • Ted

            I get it General Cota and I’m sure there was an analogous point there too. Say, I just got an email from Chicken Little and boy is he pissed that you and D are trying to steal his mojo. You two just aren’t happy unless you’re miserable. Sheesh, lighten up!

          • T Ko

            Tell General Coota to get over it…if it can.

    • Wheels55

      Just another step toward the total socialist health care that Obama, Reid, Pelosi and gang want. I believe this was all by design. Get them hooked on crack (Obamacare) and then tell them there is no more crack and give them Meth (socialized health care).

  • D Parri

    Thank goodness that Hare E Rude is not the only Demo-head that is repeating the mantra, “Obamacare is good, Obamacare is good, Obamacare is good….”

    Hopefully, Hare E will get them to maintain focus on that line in hopes the 2014 election will be theirs because of NObamacare. All of that while tens of millions of American citizens will see their healthcare coverage either already or about to be decimated.

    NObamacare will be a big plus in the 2014 election–but not for the democratic party.

    They will then be able to give full credit for this “fundamental transformation” of their party to a man named Hussein.

  • keith hart

    It’s been in the news, ‘Boehner attacks conservatives’. Is this true Mr. Speaker or is it more media disinformation?

    I would advise Mr. Boehner, do not push such an attack. You may wind up with a remnants of a republican party you can then declare is the ‘moderate wing’ of the democrat party.

    It’s increasingly more possible the tea party is phase one of a groundswell. Not just of disillusioned republicans, but, disillusioned democrats. Remember those Reagan democrats? Where do you suppose they went? Also, large numbers of independents and former non-politicals are joining the tea party ranks.

    Two days ago the following exchange occurred in this forum: ………..

    These people think the American people are idiots. Sadly, they might be right

    Bob From Virginia

    “think” the American people are idiots? Seems pretty well settled to me.

    keith hart >>> Bob From Virginia

    I don’t see idiots. I see a resilient people, carrying heavy responsibilities everyday and they carry them well, handicapped by leaders bent on betraying them for their own personal gain.

    The only thing the people and leaders of this country have in common is they don’t deserve each other.

    As the months pass, it becomes increasingly possible we may be witnessing the approach of a turning point in American history.

    The rise of a new political party. Not a weakling, little third party. A fast growing, wild fire, powerful party. Fast like the way the Berlin Wall came down.

    Fueled by the unprecedented insanity residing in Washington.

    The Wildfire Party.

    Just go ahead Mr. Boehner, you be one of its earliest recruiters.

    • Ted

      Groundswell you say? The only “groundswell” happening is the one where your side’s congressional approval reaches zero from its current 8-9%.

      • Integrity

        Analytical thinking is not exactly your forte, is it? QED

        • Ted

          Have someone smarter than you explain my post for you. Virtually anyone you pass the street should do. My work is done here.

          • T Ko

            You did some work? Hey, that’s like magic…didn’t even see it.

          • Integrity

            How about responding to my three posts? You have seen them. You avoid salient points. I am a neither side person. The extremely low ratings is for Congress as a whole. Get it? If you separate Democrats and Republicans in the poll, the percentage is higher albeit still low. That is because people like you will say your side is great no matter what. It can’t be this easy. QED

          • T Ko

            He is not interested in any kind of substantive discussions. His only interest is to attack all non-Obama acolytes and stir up as much dust as possible. He’s an asshole, plain and simple.

          • Integrity

            I am starting to see that. QED

          • keith hart

            Ted, The advantage of your dull wittedness to you is you stumble thru one gaffe after another unaware of how much a fool you appear to be. Heh…heh…heh. You’re an embarrassment to your own lefties.

      • T Ko

        BO’s rating going down, down, down. But look at the good side…it’s great right now compared to what it will be in six months!

  • Iklwa

    Just remember: If you like your Senator or Congress Person you can keep him/her/it.

    Don’t you wish that was a lie too?

  • ScranunSlim

    If Barack O’Selfie had had a son, he would’ve looked like Bill Ayers. Or maybe Saul Alinsky. Or Hillary Botox Sniperfire.

    • sunnyinaz

      Hillary, obviously, has not had any Botox…

      • keith hart

        Very wry, very dry. Oscar Wilde would be proud.

      • D Parri

        Probably getting low on that stuff.

  • Drew Page

    I know there are lots of people out there who want to give President Obama the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his “misstatements”. It may never be politically correct, but there comes a time when even the most ardent supporters must denounce such statements for what they are, lies. If you lie to some people, they will never trust what you say again, others are more forgiving.
    Let’s face it, most people don’t care about the lies politicians tell them, until it affects them negatively and personally. Most people didn’t care about Obama’s promises to:
    * post all proposed legislation on the internet for five days before signing it into law;
    * have a bipartisan debate on health care reform including doctors, hospital administrators; representatives of the pharmaceutical and health insurance industries and members of Congress from both parties all to be televised on C-SPAN:
    * close Gitmo by the end of his first year in office;
    * cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term;
    * not sign into law bills that would not be funded in the budget, unless equivalent expenses in the budget were cut to compensate for the cost of a new law (Pay-Go);
    * have the most transparent administration ever;
    * get to the bottom of Fast & Furious, IRS targeting, NSA spying and the Benghazi massacre;
    *keep your own doctor and health plan if you like them, period; and
    * cut the cost of health insurance by $2,500 a year for a family.
    The list could go on, but I think I’ve made my point. It’s bad enough to have told all those lies in the first place, but then lying about not having said all those things, regardless of the video tapes that prove otherwise. To say “I didn’t know.”, “Nobody told me.”, “I found out about it in the papers, like everybody else.” not only defies credibility, it is insulting to the common sense of thinking Americans. Obama is a compulsive liar, has committed fraud and is a disgrace to his office.

    • keith hart

      Drew, by all means do let the list go on. This is good stuff. This is excellent research. Your post could serve as a constant reference source going into Nov 2014 when his minions have to face the electorate.

      • Sheila Warner

        It didn’t matter in 2012. These items were brought out in the campaign. What has to happen is the a truly viable alternative to whomever runs must be on the GOP ticket. Mitt Romney may have been a nice guy, but his campaign was terrible. He was not a strong representative to liberalism because he was actually a moderate, which he spent the entire campaign trying to deny. Remember “severely conservative?” I’m no conservative either, but even I cringed at that one. I’m a moderate. Mitt should have just embraced his own moderate views. If you aren’t authentic, and you don’t have brilliant rhetorical skills to hide that fact, you can’t win.

        • Ted

          Had Romney embraced his true moderate self, he’d never have won the nomination. Getting “primaried” is a new verb and one I’d love to see conjugated. The Baggers as currently constituted win prevent another win in 2016 because they’ve co-opted the party so far right.

          • Integrity

            Why don’t you Google the tea party platform and tell me what is wrong with it? Try some independent thinking, it might actually enlighten you. QED

          • D Parri

            Can rocks be enlightened? Shaazzaammm!

          • Ted

            I wish to apologize for using facts, logic and reason. Beides, if you really had a case to make you would have.

          • Integrity

            You have nothing to apologize for. QED

          • T Ko

            If you ever do start using facts or reason, please don’t apologize. For now, an apology is appropriate.

            Your lies won’t stand in the face of Integrity.

          • D Parri

            It appears that Ted is Legal Weasel’s new attack dog.
            What was that I heard? WOOF!

            Uh oh, here he comes….(shudder)

          • Sheila Warner

            It’s not their policies that we object to. It’s the seemingly unrealistic “strategies” that they keep putting up, like trying to defund the ACA. Everyone with intelligence about the current makeup of Congress knew it was a suicide attempt. It’s good to stand on principle, but you have to play the hand that is dealt to you. There was no chance at all that Democrats would defund. None. Even if they went along with the GOP, the President would veto such a bill. Real people, Americans, were hurt by the shutdown, No attempt at posturing by the GOP can change that fact.

          • Integrity

            A fair criticism. I don’t agree with all of their tactics either. However, I do share their concerns regarding our Government’s out of control spending. I think most Tea Party members are just concerned Americans and don’t deserve the vitriol that they receive. Sorry to hear about your healthcare plan. QED

          • legal eagle

            The tea bagger platform? What is that other than being against everything government related? No EPA, no FDA, no IRS, no SSA, no HHS. no minimum wage etc..

          • Integrity

            No. It is more egregious things such as eliminate the national debt, eliminate taxes, and the real despicable, eliminate deficit spending. QED

          • T Ko

            Don’t forget, also against ideologue lefties, communists, narcissists, illegal beagles, etc.

          • T Ko

            “…win prevent another win…” ??? You are having problems it appears. Take a deep breath and…………………sign off.

        • D Parri

          I believe that Mitt Romney was not ready to sacrifice his life, his family, and everything that he had accomplished personally in order to crawl down in the dirt even further than he was already called to do.

          Some say he was too good for that kind of a fight. I say that he was too smart.

          • Sheila Warner

            Of course, I agree. I believe he is a man of personal integrity. He has the financial and business chops to be President. His attempt to court the ultra conservatives is partly what did him in. Mitt Romney should have been himself.

          • D Parri

            Yes, I agree with you. If he were managing a large corporation, or a state, I think his approach would have been to take the gloves of and get the job done–but do it properly.

            I felt like he was restrained in some way, perhaps because of the level that Obama was operating at–it wasn’t worth it and Obama already had the media in his pocket. It was unwinnable.

          • Sheila Warner

            President Obama is ruthless, and Mitt Romney is a man of integrity. It wasn’t a fair fight, that’s for sure.

          • legal eagle

            Compared to you Romney is a genius on the level of Einstein…except Romney isn’t Jewish..LOL

          • keith hart

            So, now you’re an anti-Semite. You really have to restrain those veiled anti-Jewish slurs.

          • legal eagle

            That was anti-Semitic? I’m not only of the Jewish faith but I am very pro-semitic…

          • keith hart

            Well, I’m sure a competent therapist can work with you on those conflicting issues coming to the surface. Anger is a healthy first response. However, in the meantime, its best to realize that however veiled they might be — an anti-Jewish slur is still a slur after all. You should really try to restrain yourself in a public forum.

          • legal eagle

            Thank you for the compliment…..

          • D Parri

            K, Legal Weasel really is a sicko…he’s already proven that, but it’s what turns him on. So, just to remind him one more time I’ll re-post his comment made to me.

            Not only is he incapable of any useful thought, he is also a sick pervert. Take a look at where his mind really resides…his comments, not mine.
            ——————————————————————————————————————————————-
            legal eagle > D Parri

            • 17 days ago
            Yes…….reading your nonsense gives me a four hour erection…
            ——————————————————————————————————————————————-

            After that he even asked me if I had one. S-I-C-K-O !!!!

            That should be enough evidence to get him into therapy…he needs help, poor guy.

          • keith hart

            Part B: Addendum to Part A…. see paragraph below.

            I don’t know that. I’m not taking your word for it. ………. That you were engaged in a disparagement, and to heighten that disparagement you made reference to racial/ethnic identity that was in no way germane to the point you were making, but, only served to intensify that disparagement.

            This is deeply offensive and completely out of place in an open forum. The use of such veiled slurs, as much as they may give rise to issues of self-conflict for you — if that be the case — lead me to conclude that should you avail yourself of competent therapy — only some good could come from it.

            An acceptance of an apology is premature at this time in lieu of seeing some restorative behavior.

            P.S.
            I don’t appreciate your beating on women, in this case Sheila. Especially, when she is reeling from her HC getting cancelled.

          • Sheila Warner

            Keith, I’m seeing all of the reports about people thnking they have health insurance but they do not. So I will be one of millions on the phone, to make sure that my enrollment is in place.

          • Sheila Warner

            15 days notice–that was pleasant, too….

          • legal eagle

            Shelia is on Medicare…Her health plan got changed not canceled…”beating on women”? Now that’s funny stuff…

          • keith hart

            Not only an anti-Semite, you’re now a misogynist. Do your Soros group employers know? Sure they do.

          • Sheila Warner

            Wrong, it was cancelled. You didn’t get my letter, so how can you say that? It was up to me to find a new plan. The one I had evaporated. I got the letter on the 16th of this month. The letter was dated October 2. The postmark was December 13. I wonder if the letter sat in someone’s drawer for two months. It left me scrambling. And, as I said, I had only three insurers to choose from, because of where I live in NJ. You really do NOT know what you are talking about.

          • Sheila Warner

            Oh, and the notice did NOT offer me a different plan. It was up to me to find one on my own.

          • keith hart

            Hit him again, Sheila! See how much fun it is not to be so much a moderate. This creep really has it coming.

          • Sheila Warner

            I only bother with le when he tells an outright lie about me or what I said. He’s not all that worth it. I don’t think all cylinders are firing in his brain.

          • T Ko

            Funny for you, but that’s because you are not nice.

          • Sheila Warner

            Yea, and read my reply to him. My Medicare Advantage plan was cancelled in October, the letter wasn’t mailed until Dec 13, and I got it on the 16th. No offer for another plan; just instructions to go find something else. I had 15 days to do this. I got a plan with a 50% higher premium, and fewer benefits. And that was the best deal out of a grand total of 3 choices, b/c of where I live in NJ.

          • T Ko

            And I think that sucks! Sorry ’bout the language, but it is really worth speakin’ out about. I might get a warning for this, but LE is an asshole.

          • T Ko

            Your actions don’t support your comments. That makes you a liar.

          • T Ko

            You really are an anti-Semite, aren’t you? Shame, shame!

    • Ted

      About half of your list is bogus starting w/ your claim that Obama hasn’t cut W’s deficit in half. The CBO says otherwise. Not to mention the faux scandals like the IRS just doing their jobs, F and F and Benghazi.

      • Drew Page

        “Faux scandals”? Tell that to the families of the four Americans killed in Benghazi, without this administration lifting a finger to save them. Tell that to the widow of the American border patrol agents, killed with weapons furnished the drug cartels by the BATF. It was sequestration that Obama thoughtlessly introduced, and later condemned Republicans for accepting, that cut the deficit.
        I’ll let the American people and history be the judge of whether Obama was a liar. As far as I am concerned anyone who believes anything this man says is either a fool or a co-conspirator.

        • Sheila Warner

          Even if you cede the point that there wasn’t time to rescue the Americans (which I do not cede), there is still the matter of the refusals by the State Department to beef up security. I fail to see how Ted believes the State Dept. personnel were “just doing their jobs.”

          • Ted

            Geez, wrong again! I said the IRS whose screening dept. was led in Cincinnati by a self identified conservative Republican and one who testified to Issa that there was no discrimination, was “just doing their jobs”. And don’t forget the IRS approved all requests.

            Re: Benghazi, it was ur side that cut hundreds of millions out of the Dept of State’s Security budget. Don’t want to believe it? Google the interview w/ Utah, R. Jason Chavetz and Soledad O’Brian where he freely admitted it. Facts are pesky things.

          • Integrity

            Yes you are!. By the way, why don’t YOU Google that interview. It is you that have your facts wrong. Your comment tells me that you have not read what you have cited or you have poor reading comprehension. This is just a sad and pathetic attempt of the left to justify either the gross incompetence or the criminal neglect of this current administration. QED

          • Ted

            I watched the interview live and saw it again later and evidently you’re so ill informed that you didn’t even know what the facts are. Do your homework then you can speak intelligently about the truth.think how refreshing that would be?

          • Integrity

            Epic fail on your part. You are trying to make a round peg fit into a square hole. I will take you seriously when you can explain how the republicans obstructed President Obama during the first two years of his first term. You can’t. This is still a pathetic attempt on your part to excuse the inexcusable. You posted, “Re: Benghazi, it was ur side that cut hundreds of millions out of the
            Dept of State’s Security budget. Don’t want to believe it?” It is true that Jason Chaffetz admitted to voting to cut funding for US embassies. However, what you are conveniently omitting is that he also said that the House went with regular funding of embassies through a continuing resolution. Now riddle me this. How much funding was cut? Did President Obama make any comments about these harmful cuts prior to signing? Did any Democrats vote this way as well? Your hopes rest upon a professional troll – how sad. I feel quite refreshed. QED

          • T Ko

            Yeah, just think if you could write intelligently…wouldn’t that be wonderful!

          • D Parri

            Remember NObama’s response to Romney’s press release within hours of the news of the attack?

            Romney referred to the attack as a terrorist attack. Obama slammed Romney and accused him of preferring to ‘shoot first, and aim later’.

            Obama was quick to point out that it was just some guys that were out for a stroll and they were upset at a video/movie that came out of somewhere in Florida.

            Bottom line when the smoke cleared? Romney was correct and Obama lied.

            And in the wonderful words of Obama’s esteemed Sec of State, Hellary Clinton, “What difference–at this point–does it make…?!”

            It makes a lot of difference when the POTUS cannot tell the truth–he hides from it.

          • Integrity

            I remember it quite well. Some of these Obama cultists are really desperate. QED

          • D Parri

            As Zed, above, said, facts are pesky things…they keep bringin’ the truth back–even after the dissimulators have done a pretty good job of twistin’ it out of recognition.

          • Sheila Warner

            I’m not a Republican. The two parties are fighting about whether the GOP actually took away funding. Dems say yes, GOP says no, they appropriated the money in another manner, which I didn’t even follow because that point is moot. If the Ambassador was calling for help, if the consulate had already been attacked, Secretary of State Clinton could have asked the Congress for emergency appropriations for the Ambassador’s request, which was validated by the previous consulate attack. She would have gotten that extra money. The point that is so disgusting is that no one in the State Department saw any urgency in the deteriorating situation in Benghazi. The Red Cross and the Brits had been attacked, too, and they pulled out. I put the blame squarely on Mrs Clinton.

          • Ted

            First of all, finding a Republican these days is like finding one who voted for Nixon back in 1972. Re: Benghazi worldwide there are a total of 288 embassies and consulates that are immovable. The idea that the US can guarantee these won’t be overrun especially the smaller, harder to defend consulates is absurd. Whenever the enemy can amass enough terrorists they can likely do what they did to the consulate in Benghazi. It’s just a fact of life the neocons would love to deny. Also, those who demagogue Benghazi had no problem with what happened on 9/11 when 3,000 died on US soil because W was a Republican.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Can the government at least give us a guarantee that they won’t make up some story about a YouTube video and an imaginary mob being responsible for embassy attacks, before lying to the families of murdered patriots about how their children died?

            Baby steps, I know.

          • Sheila Warner

            And then the Administration lied about lying.

            Remember the public service announcement sent to Pakistan? The President and Sec Hillary Clinton pushed that video thing HARD. Lied right to the faces of the families, in front of the coffins of the dead men. So terrible.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            The Benghazi cover-up was absolutely despicable. The fact that ANYONE feels inclined to make excuses for it and mock those who have a problem with it is shameful.

          • Sheila Warner

            Are you implying that I am actually a member of the GOP?

            The USA was involved in the ouster of Ghadaffi. There were plenty of Libyans who hated us for that. For that reason alone, the State Dept ought to have shored up greater security.

            The consulate had already been recently attacked. The State Dept should have realized what a target the consulate was. And, of course, as I already pointed out, the Red Cross was attacked, and pulled out.

            The Brits pulled out after an assassination attempt on one of their people.

            Tell me why, again, that the State Dept did its job effectively?

          • Ted

            Nope, not calling you a Repub but your positions do that for you despite your denials. I was saying no one claims to be one anymore. I do think if you took a test to tell you where you are politically like the ones available on the internet you’d be less moderate than you think you are. And have to laugh at these neocons who call themselves Limbaugh “moderates” as if that’s possible. As for Benghazi reread my previous text because it’s impossible to defend all consulates at all times. And I get fed up w/ all the rt wing nut hypocrites who expressed no attendant, proportional outrage over 9/11 but demagoguing Benghazi forever because it makes them feel good. Clearr now?

          • Sheila Warner

            The entire nation was outraged over 9/11–some people still harass American Muslims to this day. I wasn’t going to bother replying because I think that you believe 9/11 was President Bush’s fault.

            Yes, there are many embassies and consulates throughout the world; I got that. It’s why I pointed out what made Benghazi unique, and why that should have caused the State Dept to send the needed extra security over there. The State Dept personnel who testified said that money was not an issue in security. When Ambassador Stephens asked for more help, he should have gotten it.

            You think that I am more Republican than moderate?

            I’d love to see single payer system, except that I know our finances will never allow it. I am opposed to the death penalty. I was against both wars in Iraq right from the start, not a “johnny come lately” after things got as bad as I thought they would. We need to mind our own business, and let neighboring countries take care of their region. Saudi Arabia has so much money, it could have sent an Army in to get Hussein..

            I think gays should have the right to marry as long as it is a civil marriage–I don’t think churches should be forced to marry gay couples. I am for the legalization of prostitution and drugs. I support the Second Amendment. I hate the ACA.

            I am pro-choice but I support a ban on late term abortions as long as the pregnancy isn’t jeopardizing the mother’s life, or the fetus has some severe anomaly. I would like to see more done to assist women with crisis pregnancies so that they have a real choice, and don’t feel as if abortion is the only alternative.

            I think that about covers it. I have enough of a mixture of right and left that I cannot be pinned down solely on either side. I believe that makes me a moderate.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>And I get fed up w/ all the rt wing nut hypocrites who expressed no
            attendant, proportional outrage over 9/11 but demagoguing Benghazi
            forever because it makes them feel good<<

            Your position is very clear, Ted.
            Because of a position on 9/11/01 that you ASSUMED Drew & Sheila had, you can't say anything was wrong on the Obama admin's part related to the whole Benghazi matter.

            I'll be equally clear:
            President Bush had nothing to do with this administration's conduct before, during, and after the Benghazi attack. Also, assuming that we all feel the same way about 9/11/01 is ignorant & prejudiced.

          • T Ko

            Yes, very clear. You have no idea what you are saying.

          • T Ko

            Yes, very clear (see?). You can’t spell.

          • T Ko

            Yeah, you go, Ted! Tell everybody that W was (and still is) a Republican, and he was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. You are amazing!

            An amazing IDIOT!

          • Ted

            Wasn’t W the prez on 9/11 or did he take office on 9/12? Your side always blames Obama for whatever happens on his watch so why is different because Obama’s a Dem? Or because you’re a flaming hypocrite? You decide.

          • T Ko

            I have decided. When did you wake up…9/12, 9/13? Yesterday? W was prez long before 9/11. When will Obama start?

          • T Ko

            You better stay away from them then. They will get you in trouble.

        • Ted

          So, what did your side tell the widows from 9/11? 3,000 dead on US soil vs 4 dead in Africa? Where was your incredible and proportionate outrage over 9/11? Oh, that’s right it happened under a Repub named W didn’t it so no outrage was possible was it? Still wanna complain about Benghazi? And yeah, being a border agent’s a very dangerous job. Besides, what happened to your side claiming that criminals will get guns no matter what steps are taken to prevent them? According to your side’s argument the agent dies anyway doesn’t he? I confess that it’s fun to use your own knuckleheaded arguments to destroy your I hate/fear Obama pts of view. Oopsie, logic strikes again!

          • Jeff Webb

            “Look! Squirrel!”

          • T Ko

            Good job, Ted! Avoid logic when you see it coming.

      • Sheila Warner

        You left off half the promise: the deficit would be cut by the end of his first year on office. Deficits didn’t start to really come down until the sequester. You have to include all of the relevant facts when you attempt to make a point.

        • Ted

          Wrong Sheila but nice selective memory on ur part. Obama said it would take him one term not one year to cut the $1.4 trillion deficit he got from W. it took him 5 yrs due to the historic obstruction from ur side. The CBO says the deficit will be down to $642 in 2014. Go argue w/ them.

          • Integrity

            Pray tell. What specific obstructions did these evil Republicans use to delay deficit reduction? Specifically, please tell me how they managed to do this during the first two years of his first term. Perhaps you are right. Maybe these evil Republicans allowed ACA to get passed because they like enormous deficits. As to the CBO, they routinely underestimate deficits and costs of legislation. A free economics lesson for you: debt grows exponentially. Maybe you should start thinking logically in lieu of regurgitating talking points. The sad fact is that both political parties are contributing to the out of control spending. As you pointed out, we still have a “deficit”. To quote Instapundit, “What can’t go on forever, won’t”. When it finally implodes, God only knows. QED

          • legal eagle

            One term, one year…What the difference?….LOL

          • T Ko

            Yeah, Benghazi facts don’t matter either, huh?

          • Sheila Warner

            It was a typo. But how nice for you to blame the GOP for it taking 5 years. It’s the sequester that is doing the reduction, which was passed by both houses. And, it was the GOP’s responsibility to try to put the brakes on spending. The deficits not only were half of what they were prior to the end of the first term, they were markedly increased. That happened on the President’s watch. He added more to the debt as well, than President GW Bush did in his entire eight years in office. The President can hardly be described as fiscally responsible. I once heard him say, in an interview, that the debt wasn’t a short term problem. Even his party refused to vote for his first budget. 99-0 against it, I believe, was that Senate vote. Then, no budget until this year. How is he competent?

          • D Parri

            Obama’s legacy will be a national debt that doubled on his watch, a healthcare industry that is in much worse shape than when he started, a history of being the biggest liar of a president–ever, and a foreign policy failure that has put the U.S. in the most compromised position that it has seen in decades.

            His failure as a leader has spread in five years like a deadly virus, and his administration is now the most wasteful and bloated in history.

            Increased entitlement spending has become an addiction and is now a trend that may never be reversed until collapse of the pillars of debt which support it.
            Finally, overreach by this president will be precedential in years to come, particularly if the same measures are taken up and employed by the GOP.

          • Sheila Warner

            Your points are well taken. Which is why I am independent. Even if President George W Bush didn’t add as much to the debt as President Obama, he still increased spending way too much. Both parties are to blame for the debt.

          • D Parri

            And I agree with you there also. Wars are very expensive, and when I heard of the price tag for the Iraq war I knew immediately that Bush’s tenure would be severely criticized if that conflict wasn’t brought to a close quickly. It was very expensive.

            The cost of additional security measures after 9/11 added to the cost of the Bush years, as did hurricane Katrina.

            I think the unrestricted entitlement spending, however, is what will take us over the cliff–if not reigned in soon.

          • T Ko

            Nice of you to give her a compliment. When you get some correct fact why don’t you try and put them down.

        • D Parri

          And you do have the facts correct and the issues in proper perspective. The baiters and teasers will always attempt to skew and distort the picture.

          • Ted

            Yeah I like to bait and tease with the truth/facts that your side tries to deny.

          • T Ko

            Yeah, we all see you bait and tease…so what?

        • D Parri

          See? Ted is another Legal Weasel, just a different moniker. Give them time, they will most likely go the way of the silverfish (PLS) because they have nothing substantive to offer.

      • Tim Ned

        Ted, let’s face the facts on the one point you do make. First, the deficit is falling at record rates as you state. However, that is because since 2008 the deficit was increasing at record rates. The deficit in 2008 was about $458 Billion. In 2009 it went ballistic to $1.4 Trillion. For this President to seek credit for the deficit reduction is like an arsonist seeking credit for putting out the fire he started.

        • George Williams

          Yeah, I’ll bet that he believes that oil production is at an all time high due to Obama’s energy policies, never mind that this president has caused drilling on gov’t land to come to a halt, stopped the Keystone pipeline and that our largess in oil is the result of private efforts. The fact is that our new found oil is anathema to Obama, a man who would feel more comfortable if every well went dry tomorrow. He’s a many of conceit and deceit, who hides his true motives very well, at least to his sycophants. Oil is an inconvenience to him and his green agenda. Obama is a liar who depends upon the gullibility of the Ted’s of the world to prop up his faltering image and defend his lies. The truth is the Left of which he is part the least informed of the facts about energy, global warming, and so-called immigration reform than any other part of the populace. The should copyright the name “Ignorants are US”.

          • Ted

            You guys on the extreme right get your facts from people like Glenn Blecch and Rash Windbag (tell us what to think Rush!) and I’m the dupe? So, where is your thx to Obama for the many economic success stories since he’s taken office? Like the Dow, the housing mkt, Detroit automakers, the GDP
            rebounding, the Fortune 500 and Wall St reporting record earnings, unemplyment being 1% away from what the experts consider full unemployment? I’d call your side clueless if I thought they’d get it.

          • T Ko

            Get what?

          • legal eagle

            Maybe you can explain why the Keystone pipeline would increase U.S. oil production?

          • T Ko

            Uh, maybe because it would increase oil production?

      • AbdullahtheButcher

        If I’m not mistaken, Congress is in charge of the pursestrings, not the president. DOn’t they deserve at least some credit?

        • Ted

          Well, lets see? Sequestration was Obama’s idea although he never thought it would come to pass and many here have justifiably credited it w/ helping to lower the deficit. Also, his tax increases on the rich which along w/ the strengthening economy have created much more revenue and reduced the deficit to $642 billion for 2014 per the CBO from the $1.4 trillion he inherited from W. God forbid anyone”blame “Bush” for anything. Watch the flak I get from the Bushies as he’s off limits!

      • T Ko

        Which half, Ted? You don’t make much sense.

    • Sheila Warner

      Thanks for the walk down memory lane. It’s the responsibility of an independent and free press to be the watchdog on the government. Nowadays the press is more of a pet. Americans are busy living their lives, trying to pay bills & feed their families–they don’t have the time to hold the President’s feet to the fire. When the media turns a blind eye, and even helps cover up wrong doing, America is greatly harmed.

      • legal eagle

        I guess Fox News, The Wall Street Journal, Right Wing Radio etc. is not pat of the media? Oh…you must have forgot about them….

        • George Williams

          So funny! Fox, WSJ and conservative radio were all correct in their predictions about Obamacare and called Obama on so many things that turned out to be lies. I believe that even legal beagle, the defender of the great BO, has been proven wrong about Obama countless times. Take as examples, Obama’s “If you like your doctor, you can keep him, PERIOD!” and “If you like your insurance plan, you can keep it”, no to mention his claim of a family’s savings on average of $2,500.” If Obama lied about those things, he likely lied about all his scandals. Remember, the scandals he called phony. Your man is thoroughly discredited, with pants on fire that can never be put out! LOL! Hang in there, legal beagle. Woof!

          • legal eagle

            keep watching Fox News…it helps feed simple minded haters like yourself…..Feed that bitterness…

          • Jeff Webb

            Bitter: check.
            Fox News: check.
            Haters: check.
            Whiners: check, covered in a different post.

            Still waiting on Old White Men, Archie Bunker, and Bush.

          • legal eagle

            Thank you Jeff for repeating the proper talking points that describe most of the contributors to this website…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Love the idea of you accusing someone else of repeating a talking about. lol.

          • Jeff Webb

            My pleasure.

            Keep up the cliches. You’ll receive a prize when you post your millionth one (meaning Christmas at the latest): “The Idiot’s Guide to Avoiding Predictability.”
            Don’t worry, it’s got lots of pictures.

          • T Ko

            So, you are not contributing…that’s what I thought.

          • T Ko

            What was that you said? Hate? You sound bitter.

          • T Ko

            Yeah, without Fox, it might be extremely difficult to figure out who is lying the most.

          • D Parri

            That’s good, G, encourage Legal Weasel to stick with his idol because it’s funny to watch as–figuratively speaking, only–Obama’s pants are on fire and the rest of him is goin’ up in flames, his sycophants dance around yelling, “His pants ain’t on fire!, My pants ain’t on fire!, Our pants ain’t on fire!”

            It awful to see what has happened to so many decent and honest people, but I’ve got no sympathy for those with their britches burnin’ up.

        • Paul Courtney

          I guess mere existence of Fox etc. makes it OK for constitutionally protected networks NYT etc. to be lapdogs for your guy? Oh…you must have forgot to think.

        • Tim Ned

          Legal, How about the New Times or Washington Post? Should they be part of the Watchdog list? Of how about MSNBC, should they be questioning anything this president does?

        • T Ko

          But no one pays attention to them…right?

        • T Ko

          CORRECTION: They ARE the media, the honest media, that is.

  • ed27

    The Obama Administration’s Coat of Arms should be a cartoon of Pinocchio with his nose about two feet long. From Day One they have lied to the public, whether it was about the Health Care law, the Stimulus Package (shovel ready anyone?), or his Kenyan uncle who he never met. Most of the time, the media has given the president a pass on his lies, refusing to indict a chief executive with the same liberal beliefs as they hold. Finally, even some “progressive” writers have found their voices and begun to criticize Obama for his complete lack of transparency.

  • Florida Jim

    He deservedly won the award for LiAR Of the Year but there are 150 other lies he told that, went unnoticed because the lamestream media has been asleep where lying and Obama interject. His lies are not the worst part of this man’s administration he is ignoring the Constitution to ram through many, many rules and Presidential bypasses of Congress who are impotent it appears. Issa has hearings but nothing ever happens , what is the point to anger me? Cruz was correct in trying to defund Obamacare which now everyone would like to see happen as the sky really is falling on America.

    • Ted

      So, where’s your outrage over the $24 billion your side pissed away when they forced the Gov to close? Issa should be calling idiots like Ted Cruz to testify. Besides, the next Republican Issa subpoenas will be his first.

      • D Parri

        Rightly so, the GOP had a statement to make in putting up an opposition to NObamaCare, but it turns out that the Demo-heads have done more harm to themselves once it stumbled out.

        http://posey.house.gov/wasteful-spending/
        Take a look here if you want to get a better picture of wasteful spending–Obama owns it…full credit for $42 billion and counting. And that doesn’t even include the trillions of dollars in damage that NObamaCare will accomplish.

        I think he is going for the all-time record of a single president’s administrative leadership folly. He’s good!

        • keith hart

          D, how do you go about embedding a link in your post?

          • D Parri

            Go to the page you want to link to. Go to the page address line (up top) and copy the whole line. Come back to this blog page, open a comment block (reply or new), and then just paste.

            I use control-C to copy and control-V to paste.

          • keith hart

            Thanks, D

          • D Parri

            Anytime, my friend.

        • Ted

          A $24 billion statement to make? And what a losing statrment full of politican masturbation it was! Next time then don’t whine like a little girl when the nonpartisan CBO says it Ocare will reduce the deficit. Oh and congrats! You just excused wasting $24 billion. Well done.

          • D Parri

            Ok, the masturbatory references you can keep. You own them.

            The waste of $24 billion can’t hold a candle to Obama’s total waste of 5 years effort and over $3 trillion dollars so far toward no meaningful or promising changes to the healthcare insurance industry. Period.

            NObamacare wilI INCREASE the deficit, repeat, NOBAMACARE WILL INCREASE THE DEFICT. Now if you want to continue those BS lies, like “If you like your healthcare plan…”, blah, blah, blah. Do you know ANYONE who believes that he was telling the truth…….NOW?

            In an addled brain that has succumbed to Obamamania, you might otherwise be excused from trying to deceptively promote the same lies as have already been worn out…long ago, but it is your mission and you deserve to wear it around your neck–for evermore, thank you.

          • Ted

            That tin foil hat you’re wearing is nice touch. Gotta reputable source for the fear based $3 trillion you claim or is just more wishful thinking?

          • D Parri

            The only wishful thinking is wishing that the debacle known as Obama had never happened.

            The internet is rife with information from sources throughout the media industry as to Obama’s utter disaster as a leader. If you have not heard any of this information…do some research. I’m not doing it for you.

            You want to try and personally denigrate me while you suck-ass to Obama…go ahead, you’ve got company.

            I have no interest in responding to you in that type of conversation…I’ve seen enough of your bait and attack games.

          • Ted

            So your reply admits you have NO source for the $3 trillion you wishful thinkingly claim. If you really had one you’d have shared it. What the intrrnet is rife w/ is hundreds of rt wing chain emails that your side mindlessly and gleefully pass as the truth on w/out fact checking due to your confirmation bias.

          • Sheila Warner

            I wonder which CBO report was being cited in the first place. The one that was based on a projected number of young people who would sign up? You are correct; the deficit will have to rise because the ACA is not going to get enough younger and healthier people to sign up. And, it’s their own fault. The prices are out of reach of so many people. The fine is cheaper. They increased costs for insurance companies, and without a decent number of young folks on the rolls, the gov’t will have to step in and make up the difference. It’s already a part of the law that the government will pay the insurers if they don’t get enough revenue & might fail. “Too big to fail”, right? That seems to be true about this huge law, as well.

          • D Parri

            Sheila, take a look at this CBO site, http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/44190_EffectsAffordableCareActHealthInsuranceCoverage_2.pdf
            …it contains the following information that I’ve summarized using their data. Pretty remarkable, and Ted will not understand it.

            NET COST OF COVERAGE PROVISIONS $1,363 t
            DIRECT SPENDING 950 b
            Total Exchange Subsidies 1,115 t
            _______
            Cost of Obamacare $ 3,428 t

            Now, does that look like a deficit reducing program?

          • Sheila Warner

            Those numbers appear to be supporting my opinion that it was only common sense that the way the law was structured meant that insurance would get very expensive. It looked to me that the CBO’s projected Medicaid enrollees are underestimated. It is about a 3-1 ratio of private vs Medicaid enrollments at this time.

          • T Ko

            You’re right, DObama makes a MUCH bigger statement by pissing away 3 trillion at a time.

      • Jeff Webb

        >>So, where’s your outrage over the $24 billion your side pissed away when they forced the Gov to close?<<

        Defunding Obamacare was the harshest proposal offered by the House, understandably rejected. They took it off the table and made a softer proposal sans the defund, which got rejected. They compromised again and still got turned down.

        Do you think the shutdown still would've happened If Reid and Obama had tried to offer concessions as the House did?

        • Ted

          Your side was in a no win, untenable situation and overplayed a very weak hand. This suicide mission was proudly admitted by the Ted Cruz’s of the party who did it anyway. Your side after essentially saying, “We’ll show ourselves” understandibly paid dearly in the polls. Given that they’re such slow learners I would be surprised not at all were they to cause us to default next year. Lastly, had Obama been Reagan standing up to the Dems during this attempted hostage taking your side would kissing RR’s ring. When Obama tells you guys to kiss off it’s “Oh the humanity!” Your side simply can’t handle not getting their way.

          • Jeff Webb

            Again, do you think the shutdown still would’ve happened If Reid and Obama had tried to offer concessions as the House did?

          • Ted

            Clearly, had they allowed Obamacare to be defunded the shutdown wouldn’t have occurred. That capitulation would’ve emboldened the cons to do more ultimatums in the future over the budget and debt ceiling so Obama refused to relitigate his program. The legitimacy of the ACA was already settled by the Supremes and were I him I’d have played it as he did. The neocons just can’t accept it when don’t get their way. Much like the nearly 50 mindless, symbolic repeals of the ACA what the cons did in shutting down the Gov was merely partisn grandstanding for extremists like Cruz which they paid and will pay dearly for in 2014. The cons need to fervently hope the struggles of the ACA rollout continue and have legs until the next election and trump the mistakes your side is making w/ minorities and women. Benghazi won’t cut it despite all the howling the right will do.

            And I’m not aware of the 3 compromise offers to which you refer. Pls enlighten me anout them and also share what concessions you think Obama should’ve offered given the overwhelming position he held?

          • T Ko

            How about resign from office and return all salaries that he did not earn–i.e., all of them.

          • Jeff Webb

            I said there were 3 total offers, the defund and two compromises: one a relative Bandaid, to maintain NIH funding even if a CR wasn’t passed in time, the other to postpone the mandate for individuals (like they did for businesses) and stop subsidizing Congresspeople’s & their staffers’ medical plans.

            I think Obama should’ve acted like the post-partisan, open-minded, reach-across-the-aisle guy he said he was. The public perception doesn’t change the fact that the House actually did negotiate, the Senate & BO didn’t.

            The defund was a ridiculous proposal. The NIH was at least questionable. The third proposal was absolutely fair, especially since the rollout has been a joke and BO ended up delaying anyway.

          • Sheila Warner

            I think the compromises ought to have been offered instead of the impossible attempt to defund the law. If the GOP thought defunding was the way to go, they should have offered such legislation after it was apparent that the bill would be bad for people, such as the revelation of the destruction of the grandfather clause, in 2010

          • T Ko

            Yeah, right, and the Obamacare roll-out was such a success…what an idiot!

      • T Ko

        What about all the billions your man has pissed away by just bein’ president!

        • Ted

          So, you’re ok when your side wastes billions but not if anyone else does? That’s known as being a partisan based hypocrite isn’t it?

          So, lets see? Here are some facts that you’ll need, due to your biology to deny. Obama cut the $1.4 trillion deficit he inherited from W to $680 billion this year and per the CBO next year will be cut to $642 billion or less. Read it and weep because it’s good for the country and therefore bad for your side. If it wasn’t for dbl stds you and your side wouldn’t have any stds at all.

          • T Ko

            I thought you had some facts…where? All you had was some of the same lies you’ve been telling.

      • Tim Ned

        The $24 Billion you state as “pissed away” is going to be one of the great myths of 2013. The standard and poor’s initial report looks at spending by those furloughed as well as tourism and other factors related to the GNP; for example billings to the feds by contractors, suppliers, etc. All of these factors will be made up in the following months and the recent budget only slightly addresses budget cuts.

        Don’t worry, the government you love is back spending and increasing our debt just like they were before the shutdown.

        • Ted

          Lets play, “Are you an ideologue”? So, was Clinton’s $180 billion plus surplus also a myth?

          • Tim Ned

            No the Clinton surplus years are not a myth. So let’s get back to subject. Are you the ideologue pushing the $24 Billion loss that is definitely all recoverable?

  • gold7406

    the great society created more poverty
    aca will create more uninsured at a higher cost

  • George Williams

    Where’s my favorite imbecile, silverfish?

    • Sheila Warner

      Nowhere to be seen. Maybe he’s an anonymous “guest” poster?

      • George Williams

        He posted a comment even nastier than mine, reconsidered, deleted it and retreated back to his hole. Many of Obama’s sycophants are too dejected to defend him anymore, after all, he is liar of the year according to Politifact,

        • Phil Silverman

          Daly deleted it not me cumdrinker. You have something you want to get off your chest?

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          George, That’s not even Phil. It’s the village idiot, “I Hate Fascists” pretending to be him. IHF got banned a while back, but his obsession over this website never died. He now pathetically poses as others to get in his impotent jabs, hoping the moderators won’t notice.

          Quite frankly, I’m surprised that the poor kid hasn’t short-circuited his keyboard yet with all of the tears assuredly pouring from his face while he types such trash. lol.

          • D Parri

            Thanks, John. I got the feeling that it wasn’t PLS because it was more vulgar that what I’ve seen the silverfish write.

            IHF will undoubtedly detonate spontaneously someday, and that will be ‘all she wrote’. ;-)

          • Rush Tush

            I will always stand up for Phil. Recall you hijacked another thread to proudly proclaim how liberals are not supressed and cited Phil as proof of that. I vote for that as lie of the year.

          • D Parri

            JD, it looks like ol’ silverfish is wearing a new mask. At least he can stand up for himself…’bout as poorly under the new moniker, too.

          • Rush Tush

            Stand up and say that

          • D Parri

            Standin’ bud…now try to climb out of that hole.

          • Rush Tush

            Let’s leave your mama out of this

          • D Parri

            Do you still Hate Facists? Sounds like it.

          • Rush Tush

            You bet your sweet ass

          • D Parri

            So, why did you change your ID? IHF seemed to work ok for you didn’t it?

          • Rush Tush

            Ask sheriff Daly and his Fabulous Furry Fascist Brother Webb.

          • Ted

            That’s all you guys have got is some tu quoque BS like calling someone “Silverfish”? You can look up tu quoque later.

          • D Parri

            Ok, Ad Hominem Tu Quoque

          • Ted

            My work here is done.

          • T Ko

            Work? What work?

          • T Ko

            Hey, are you a silverfish? Yuuucchh!

          • D Parri

            John, I was right, it is IHF again in his latest reincarnation. Just say, “Rush Tush, Hush…”.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Yeah, the truth is that the dope has used several different screen names, along with impersonating other posters, all because he still can’t figure out that the moderators here can tell it’s him regardless of what name he uses. lol.

            And just for the record, in case anyone was wondering, Phil was recently blacklisted.

            It was one thing for him to routinely threaten to sue everyone critical of his posts on this website. But once he also started threatening the site’s webmaster with lawsuits, demanding that all posts critical of him be deleted, patience ran out pretty quickly.

          • D Parri

            And justice prevails. Good work.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Thanks, but it wasn’t me who did it. I did, however, support the decision once I learned the extent of Phil’s threats. True absurdity.

          • Rush Tush

            And me? What did I do except force Webb to take ownership of his comparing the Newtown parents to NAMBLA child molesters?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Sigh. One last time…

            As you very well know (since it’s been explained to you a dozen times), you were suspended for excessive swearing and blacklisted for posing as writers for this website and spewing racist rhetoric in their names.

            Please write it down since you can’t seem to remember it for some reason.

          • Rush Tush

            And one last time. You deleted all my posts and blocked me from posting. Only then did I post comments as you and Webb.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            That’s what a suspension is, genius. Make sense now?

            Your argument is the same as saying. “Yeah, I ran over that police officer, but only because he pulled me over for speeding.”

            Now let that piece of sanity sink in to your head before I go back to deleting your posts.

          • Rush Tush

            You blocked me permanently after Webb made his ultimatum that I retract or be banned. It is on the record and he doesn’t deny it. Obviously it is a simple matter to circumvent your blacklist. You are a programmer so I don’t need to explain that to you. I don’t care, I just want everyone to know the truth, which is that you and Webb cannot handle the truth

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            And as I’ve already explained, I had no knowledge of whatever beef you had with Webb. I blocked you for exactly the reason I just gave you. That’s the truth, and if you think anyone other than you cares about your fate on this website, you’re grossly overestimating yourself.

            Now this is the last response you’ll be receiving from me. Accept that you got yourself banned from this website, and try and learn something from it.

          • Harry Dix

            You are the one who should have learned by now that your feeble attempts to block me are not going to work. Maybe I will tell Phil how to circumvent it if he doesn’t already know. Like I have told you before, you write bullshit I will be up your ass every time. And that is the way it is going to be.

          • D Parri

            JD, you might want to keep an eye on the one signing in as “Ted”. He is only interested in one thing and it appears that his approach is the same as “Silverfish” (my assignment) and IHF.

            I expect to have differences of opinion, but his is an attack on the messenger approach each time. I am not complaining at this time, but you might want to be aware.

          • Sheila Warner

            I meant to flag one really inappropriate comment, but it was already deleted and I flagged someone else instead. Ignore my flag, if you can.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Took care of it.

        • D Parri

          A much-deserved recognition of that ignominy.

      • D Parri

        How about a ‘guest pester’. ;-)

    • Phil Silverman

      You want something from me jerkoff?

      • Drew Page

        Typical foul-mouthed liberal. and you guys are the ones always preaching tolerance. You remind me of the guy who shouts “Support mental health – or I’ll kill you.”. I think your anger management sessions aren’t working. Time for a new therapist.

        • Phil Silverman

          Tell it to Boy George. He started it not me. I give as good as I get. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it

  • worker1950

    I’m waiting for folks to realize that having ObamaCare means not only are you not going to keep YOUR doctor you’re not going to actually be seen by a doctor. Under ObamaCare plans “providers” are administering the health care and the “provider” is a PA or maybe a RN but not a physician. Buyer beware!

    • Sheila Warner

      The RNs will be nurse practitioners, who have to have at minimum of a Master’s degree. My sister is a cardiac nurse practitioner. But you are correct–for minor ailments you won’t see a doctor. Probably only a PA or an NP. Of course, the wait time will probably be long, because Medicaid enrollees will be flooding the clinics when they discover that hardly any doctor accepts Medicaid these days.

      • worker1950

        You are correct the wait times will be long. But incorrect in thinking the PAs and NPs will only be seeing folks w/ ‘minor’ conditions. Check the plan’s network of ‘providers’. Less
        than a handful of pediatricians for several hundred thousand kids and NO pediatric-cardiologists, NO pediatric endocrinologists, No pediatric- oncologists are in the plan’s network. A child has juvenile diabetes or a congenital heart defect should be under the care of a physician specialist not a PA or RN -‘period’.

        • Sheila Warner

          I agree. But I’m not sure that PAs and NPs are permitted to do, say, cardiac surgery. There will still be doctors needed. But the wait time for one? How many lives are in danger now due to this law? We don’t need death panels; we already have the law itself for that.

        • potemkin_village_usa

          You don’t say! I suggest that you check your facts and the history of similar models worldwide along with trends we are now seeing in the PPACA!!

      • Drew Page

        I suspect it will get to the point where Nurse Practitioners will have “Assistants” or ‘paramedics’ who you will have to see first, before being referred to a NP or a RN. Getting to see a GP or Family Practice M.D. will be as difficult as trying to see a top specialist today. All this and there will still be 30 million uninsured.

        • George Williams

          No, when you enter the doctor’s office the nurse will give you a do-it-yourself manual, free of charge.

          • D Parri

            That’s good!

  • Rustyrambler

    Bernie, Pres.Obamas’ self-confidence, and Harry”the war is lost” Reid, an optimist, reminds me of the Russian proverb: An optimist is a pessimist w/o all the facts.

    • TheOriginalDonald

      Murphy was an optimist-O’Toole #AnythingThatCANGoWrong #Will

      • Rustyrambler

        Oh,ok, I thought that was O’Leary’s Commentary on Murphy’s Law. Six one way, half a dozen the other; PotUS’s “rhetorical flourishes” are finally catching up to him!! Please see Krauthammers Friday editorial in the Washington Post!! Gotta love it!!!

  • D Parri

    KYB, just wondering if you’ve heard any new developments on the two new Obama legislative initiatives, ObamaCar & AHA.

    I’ve heard some rumors that he might be looking for some new funding sources, since the U.S. government is reportedly becoming ‘tight’ on grants and budgets.

    I can hardly wait to see the ObamaCar program get up and running because, based upon the subsidies that were presented in the preliminary data, I should actually be able to net some additional free cash and upgrade to the latest model American (based) SUV, and the first year’s gas bill will be taken care of by the Fed.

    I haven’t looked into the AHA so far, but it’s been a long time coming for the Affordable Housing Act…I know there are lots of people saying “AHA!” as we speak.

    Let me know if you hear any new info regarding these new laws. Thanks.

    • Sheila Warner

      Just filled my Forester’s tank. It still had a quarter tank of gas in it and it cost me $41. Since I’m in NJ, my pain is a bit less than surrounding states. But I sure am interested in ObamaGas. You didn’t hear about that one? It’s for those who like their cars and want to keep them, period. But the gas is subsidized, so it’s all good. Let me know what kind of Obamacar you get, especially when those subsidies kick in!

      • TheOriginalDonald

        ever seen a Trabant? ObamaCar’s cousin

        • D Parri

          Yes, now that is a legacy car. You just can’t hardly find a two-stroke, smoky exhaust vehicle that had origins around the same time as Sputnik. That’s awesome!

          • George Williams

            Yes, the only two dimensional car in the world.

      • kayakbob

        Yes, but are you in Neptune, NJ? (with deference to TheOriginalDonald)

        • Sheila Warner

          No, I am in Vineland, in the poorest county in the state: Cumberland County.

      • D Parri

        Let’r rock, girl!

        I just hope that it was only a rumor, but I have heard that the gas will be really cheap, but you must be signed up on a plan offered through a government exchange.

        Premiums for plans will run from $400 to $1,500 per month, depending upon your driving estimates. Isn’t that cool, you get to plug in your own estimates before being charged!

        Unfortunately, the annual deductibles will range anywhere from $5,000 to $10,000 per year, so you will have to pay that before receiving any benefits.

        However, just think of the improved grade of gas that everyone will get–not just you and me!. The great thing is that those people might not have even been able to buy gas previously, but now they will be able to receive it without working or paying for it.

        Talk about the Great Society….

        • Sheila Warner

          :-D

    • kayakbob

      The latest on the AHA is there are apparently “some” (insert eye roll here) people that don’t understand they are better off getting access to marble baseboards rather than say, a garage…particularly those people living in the Northeastern United States. Everybody knows a home without the ever functional marble baseboards is sub-standard.

      So in the spirit of central planning, we here at the Center for Promotion of the Affordable Housing Act (CPAHA), have “asked” mortgage companies (i.e big lending)…for AHA homes to allow “homeowners” to make mortgage “deposits” on the 1st of the month, rather than actually pay their mortgage…cause, gosh darnit, living in your own home (paid for by others) is a basic human right…or something like that.

      • D Parri

        KYB, I don’t understand why some people even mention the “G”-word.

        Garages are still being used for cars. Cars require petroleum products. Our world is slowly heating up. We are expected to be in a full bake in just 10 years.

        Please, please do not put me in a house to bake unless it has marble baseboards.

        “Thank you very much.”

        • kayakbob

          You are welcome. We here at the CPAHA call it “limiting you to save you..for more pain & limitation down the road”.

          And let me be clear, the CPAHA website is largely, robustly functional, in most cases. However, there appear to be some unfounded reports of printing glitches. Apparently some AHA homeowners are experiencing minor delays due to some lower level system faults relating to the carriage return of their dot matrix printers.

          In such an unlikely scenario we suggest rebooting your house in the following sequence:
          1. go out your front door.
          2. Slam your front door behind you.
          3. Lock your front door.
          4. Wait 10 seconds, then unlock your front door.

          5. Re-enter your house.

          If this does not work, send us all your AHA data on a 5-1/4″ floppy disk. We will send you an upgrade on your floppy. (Pretty efficient, eh?)

          • D Parri

            Ahhhh, yes…the good ol’ days. Back in the day when floppies were REAL floppies!

            This latest generation will never know the joys of serial recording and compacting data onto volumes of 5-1/4″ discs that will deteriorate in time. Not to mention the change in recording standards and the hope that all the work done today will become obsolete–SOON!

            Although I wax nostalgic, at least I now have a clearer understanding of the “glitches” that have been happening and it is easier to accept them as part of government.

            After all, those hundreds of millions of government surplus floppies had to go somewhere didn’t they? Now all they have to say is “AHA!” Excellent.

          • kayakbob

            The Federal Registry, a branch of the Fedr’l Gup’ment, uses 3-1/2″ fixed disks – by the thousands, to transfer data.

            I think they recently made this upgrade from juice cans with string.

          • D Parri

            Weren’t those the juice cans Al Gore made a fortune on selling them to the Gorevernment? Yeah, they were ‘green’ cans…you know, recyclable?

  • Phil Mac

    This is what happens when a great country elects hucksterism and tomfoolery to the highest office in the land. One day in the far, far future the facts will be divulged regarding Obama’s college transcripts as well as his extremely thin Harvard career writings. Only at that time will we really know the full extent of this president’s shocking lack of qualifications.

    • Ted

      Views like yours are what happens when you kneejerkedly believe and don’t fact check those bogus, 24/7, internet, propagandist, chain emails.

  • kayakbob

    …my cousin Lenny lives in NJ, not Neptune.

    And the insurance industry is one of the most regulated industries.

    • TheOriginalDonald

      those living in Neptune NJ are not amused

  • VermontAmerican

    Obama did say “Period!” But at least one time after he said, “Period!” he added, “End of Story.” If you thought “Period!” solidified the award for Liar of the Year, “End of Story” inducts him into the Liars Hall of Fame.

    • D Parri

      Hey, he worked hard for it…he deserves it!

    • kayakbob

      I don’t quote Jon Stewart often, but Stewart was right, “Mr. President. I know you are reading from a teleprompter, but you are not suppose to read the punctuation out loud.”

    • semmy

      My favorite line still is… “If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan. Period.
      Those of you not named ‘Period’ are out of luck.”

  • dlmstl

    You’ve got to learn to step aside every now and then to watch and snicker as they continue to shoot hole after hole in their own feet. It’s going to crumble on its own. Sign up is supposed to be the easiest part. How can the insurance companies pay out with enough premiums coming in let alone those deductable and co-pay increases? I’m looking forward to 2014 when the real good s**t starts hitting the fan. Grab a frosty one, some Cheetos, a hot milf and enjoy watching them ‘spin’.

  • Tim

    Liberals are people that for their own benefit, know what’s best for you.

    • Sheila Warner

      Nicely said.

      • legal eagle

        Goldberg reminds me of the villager leading the townspeople in burning down Frankenstein castle……Nice to see he can get his audience worked up over Obamacare instead of Benghazi or the IRS….a new week, a new whine…

        • Sheila Warner

          Bernie doesn’t have to get anyone “worked up.” The ACA is doing that for itself.

          • D Parri

            Just an FIY, Sheila, it’s Legal Weasel who is trying to ‘work up’ the audience. If he had anything worthwhile to contribute then it might be different. Ignore him, maybe like a sore on the butt…he’ll go away again after a while.

          • Sheila Warner

            Thanks for the reminder. Somehow I’m always stupid at some point on forums and take bait. You’d think I would recognize baiters by now.

          • D Parri

            Hey, they are insidious and tend to run out from underneath the cabinet like a palmetto bug (roach). They can usually get people to run or jump if they run at them, but they are harmless–just really nasty.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I love this ongoing narrative that while millions are losing their health plans because of the ACA, it’s really just conservative pundits that are stoking anger over the situation. lol.

            That’s like saying that you’re not really angry because some guy stole and totaled your car… you’re just angry because a policeman told you about it.

          • George Williams

            Messengers do not live long in the Obama administration. That’s why they are in such a mess.

          • legal eagle

            Millions are not losing their heath care. Millions have to change their health care plans…..Tough work filling out a new app…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I SAID plans. And MILLIONS lost those plans, after Obama told them they wouldn’t. And now that they’re forced to sign up for different plans, they’re finding much higher premiums (something Obama told them wouldn’t happen) and in many cases losing their doctors who don’t accept those new plans (something ELSE Obama told them wouldn’t happen).

            Legal Eagle, if you’re not being paid by someone to shamelessly carry water for the administration, you’re truly doing yourself a disservice.

          • legal eagle

            My point is that you and the rest of the Obama haters are exaggerating the problem….The healthcare system needs shaking up…it will take years before we know the outcome…and the only one I carry water for is my wife…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Don’t hate Obama. Never have. I’m just not blind to the pain being caused by his awful decision making skills like you are.

            You carry the man’s water shamelessly and echo his talking points at nauseum – even down to the “we won’t know if this really worked until Obama leaves office” response. Please. Again, I really hope you’re getting paid to post this stuff here because it really is first-rate propaganda.

            I am glad, however, that you admitted that this is just about “shaking up” things, and not actually fixing things or making things better. It’s how the uber-left approaches just about everything: Take an issue that needs tweaking and shatter it with a jack-hammer to it instead. It’s never about actually fixing anything. It’s about showing people that you “care” by taking some kind of action, no matter how completely nonsensical that action is.

          • legal eagle

            What is with getting paid remark? Who would pay me ?
            Tweaking? The US has the most expensive healthcare system in the world and you think it needs a tweak? I was just charged $12,000 for a two day hospital stay and you think that needs a tweak?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Oh, there are absolutely people who would pay you to spread political propaganda on the web. You should look into it because it’s a crime if you’re doing it for free.

            Around 83% of the nation was happy with the access they had to quality healthcare prior to the passage of the Obamacare. The “tweak” should have been to do things to help the 17% – you know things that actually reduce healthcare costs, like the Affordable Care Act was promoted to do but does just the opposite.

            Healthcare WAS too expensive, and now it’s far worse, And once Obamacare fully kicks in, do you really believe that you’ll be paying LESS for healthcare? Spoiler alert: you won’t.

          • legal eagle

            Can you refer me to someone who will pay me? Always appreciate people sending me checks….LOL

          • T Ko

            Hey, I heard NObama still has lots of taxpayer dollars to waste…ask him.

          • T Ko

            If some is paying you…they are being cheated!

          • T Ko

            You’re right, it will take years to repair the damage that you and the Obama-Lovers have done to the lives of so many people.

            I doubt that you even have a stake it the outcome–just like the Liar-in-Chief. You make a good little LIC’r.

          • D Parri

            That’s because there is no reason, or logic, to what they say–on purpose. Legal Weasel has but one purpose here and it has nothing to do with NObamacare.

        • Integrity

          You are a sad case. I don’t know which is worse. Your smug and condescending arrogance or the fact that Benghazi does not seem to concern you. QED

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            It really is remarkable. 4 American patriots were murdered, the administration repeatedly lied to cover up how they died, no one has been arrested for their murders, and no one in the government has been held accountable for any part of it.

            Any reasonable person – you know, someone who isn’t a useful idiot for the Democratic party – should have a problem with that. Yet in legal eagle’s book, those people are “whiners.”

            A pretty despicable viewpoint if you ask me.

          • Sheila Warner

            Here’s what else I found despicable: the lack of outrage from the President. Always Mr Cool. The only time he was angry was when he was defending Susan Rice (also a liar). He sure was incensed when people had legitimate questions about her talking points on the Sunday news shows. That was what really sent me over the edge. Have you ever seen a President who acted as if heinous murders of our American personnel was really no big deal? And, we still don’t know where the hell he was during all of this, before jet setting off to a fund raiser in Las Vegas. Despicable all the way around.

          • Outland10

            He was mad about Travon too.

          • Sheila Warner

            No, all I saw was deep pain and sorrow on his face after Trayvon Martin died. He was actually crying. With the Susan Rice thing, his voice was raised, his jaw was tight, and his body was tense. I thought for a minute that he was going to slam his fist on something. That’s the outrage that should have been directed against Libya, for supporting the terrorists who killed our guys.

          • 4deuce

            I believe it is going to take a long time until the truth is told about Empty Suit Obama. Perhaps after 2 or 3 more African Americans hold the office of POTUS, historians will dare to reveal how utterly unqualified Obama was the hold to Presidency and how White Guilt elected him. I recall telling those near to me back in 2008 that had Obama been a white male, he would never have survived the Iowa Primaries. Like Howard Dean before him, Obama would have become a footnote in political history books had he been assessed on his qualifications and accomplishments. And, for similar reasons, it will take as long time for our news media to admit that it had been a willing accomplice in pawning off Barack Obama on us – promoting and shilling him like a new Barbie Doll or Microsoft operating system release. My greatest fear is that the news media will do exactly the same thing for Hillary Clinton and the same people who were conned by the media shell game will fall for the same form of cheerleading used to curse us with Obama.

          • Sheila Warner

            When then Senator Obama got enough delegates to win the Democratic primary, I got tears in my eyes. Not because of his politics, because I didn’t know much about them at that point. I was witnessing an historic moment, and I was so thrilled to finally have a black Presidential candidate. I did not vote for him in the general election, because by that time I knew he didn’t have the chops for the job. Believe me, it was hard voting for McCain/Palin. All of my fears about President Obama came true, almost right away. What a poor choice for our first President of color.

          • legal eagle

            Too bad McCain didn’t win. By this time the U.S. could have gone to war with Libya, Iran and North Korea…..Bitching about the POTUS is a tradition in America. Bitching about the POTUS of color is not…soon you will be able to bitch about the first female POTUS.

          • Ron Bon Jovi

            I agree with you, Ms. Hillary Clinton will be the next President of the United States.

          • D Parri

            Take that bow when it’s time to…I think you’ll be waiting a long, long time.

          • Ron Bon Jovi

            Ms. Parri, my prediction is based on the following analysis: One, the American public, along with the help of the main stream media, is only too eager to create history once again by electing the first female president. Two, I see no Republican who can make an effective argument against the entitlement culture that now prevailes over our society. Pity really, but there you have it.

          • D Parri

            Ms. Bon Jovi, there is one extremely pertinent argument that will be addressed at some time, whether the GOP makes the case for it or not.

            It will be a moot point to argue to continue the entitlement glut that American society now appears to be addicted to–pending an economic collapse of the U.S. government.

            It is a pity that the leadership has allowed our nation to become directed not by sound principles but by political expediency.

            I cannot visualize who that person will be that can right our path, but I sincerely hope that it will be someone who is capable of unifying a very divided nation.

          • Ron Bon Jovi

            Well put. (My apologies for incorrectly assuming gender.)

          • D Parri

            Apologies accepted…no problem. Thanks.

          • keith hart

            Feigned ignorance is a coward’s insult. Why the ripoff of Jon?

          • Ron Bon Jovi

            Sadly Keith, my ignorance is not feigned. Your post is lost on me.

          • keith hart

            Ron, I notice you were decent enough to edit your post. Changing Ms. Parri to D. Parri. Fair enough.

          • D Parri

            Yes, K, I noticed that he edited it as soon as he posted an apology. We will let it resolve as an error having been corrected and promptly acknowledged.

            Graciousness is not a bad thing, but naiveté is too often violated for ill purposes. Caveat Emptor

          • keith hart

            Hmm

          • D Parri

            Plainly put, we’ll take the high road on this one and let it pass. Our eyes will remain open, though.

          • keith hart

            Oh. Yeah.

          • D Parri

            K, I forgot to say thank you for watching my back. I appreciate it. Thank you.

          • keith hart

            D, you are most welcome, my friend.

          • Sheila Warner

            Yawn…you tend to bore me.

          • legal eagle

            Seems you’re concerned about others…What about your health insurance? Any changes under ACA or are you just buying in to the Fox News exaggerations?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I like how you just ignored me when I answered “Yes” to this question.

          • Integrity

            John, He is busy pounding the table in his den. QED

          • Integrity

            So, are you saying ACA is an overwhelming success? QED

          • legal eagle

            I’m saying its problematical….We’ll see if the glitches can be fixed….Ask me again after June 30, 2014…

          • Integrity

            Sounds fair since we don’t really have an alternative. I would like nothing more than for Obamacare to become an overwhelming success. I would gladly say that you were right and eat a plate of humble pie if this were to happen. QED

          • legal eagle

            How will you quantify success or failure? I don’t really know what the metric is but, from what I have read, it took Republicans about 10 years to stop whining about Medicare…Like most government programs some will benefit more than others…

          • Integrity

            Perhaps I will use the pornography standard. I can’t define it, but I know what is is when I see it. I am not sure I would call Medicare a resounding success right now given the spiraling costs for which there has been no answer. ACA attempts to address some of the problems. Unfortunately, I think this is like throwing gas on a fire. I will try to be fair in my analysis. QED

          • legal eagle

            There are simple answers to fixing Medicare but they are politically unpopular… ACA does address some of the problems. The best example of this is that I have read about some doctors moaning and groaning about how they will make less money….What a country…LOL

          • Paul Courtney

            Only 6 mos.? Why not 12? After that, when this little experiment of your side flushes Harry Reid out of power along with a dozen or so D senators, you folks will have plenty of time to lick your self-inflicted wounds. So much time, you’ll have figured how to blame Rs for that knife you’re holding. I know you don’t care for our advice, but.. don’t wait 6 mos to stop grabbing it by the sharp end! (Note to other readers- don’t worry, he won’t stop).

          • legal eagle

            Well then don’t ask me in 6 months….You don’t give advice, you spout Republican talking points. Calling a politician a liar does not take a great deal of thought or analysis…

          • T Ko

            You really need to learn what a “glitch” is…it ain’t a catastrophic problem.

          • Sheila Warner

            I don’t want to dialogue with you because it goes in circles, but I will answer your question. Today I got my notice from my insurer that my plan will not be available after December 31. The new plan into which I enrolled this evening will have higher premiums with less benefits.

          • legal eagle

            What company dropped you?

          • Sheila Warner

            Not going to answer that. It has nothing to do with the actual cancellation. It could be any of the major health insurers across this nation–the point is, I got canceled.

          • legal eagle

            What’s wrong with Aetna Medicare Advantage? looks like good coverage at a reasonable price?

          • Sheila Warner

            What is wrong with you? You don’t know where I live. The breakdown continues according to county. All of the plans charge different rates depending on the county. I have no idea what it is you think you are trying to prove. My point is that my new policy will see a 50% rise in premiums, with less coverage, and that was the least expensive plan offered. You don’t know which insurance company I now have. And, again, it is not germane to the conversation at hand.

          • legal eagle

            If you don’t want to discuss the facts that’s fine…Didn’t you reveal, at one point, that you live in Cumberland County, NJ?
            If you wish to complain about Medicare Advantage don’t let me dissuade you…was just trying to be helpful but I guess I was mistaken..

          • Sheila Warner

            You are correct: but Aetna was the most expensive, so I’m not sure how you help me.

          • legal eagle

            Amerihealth 65 is less expensive…

          • Sheila Warner

            What is with you? Tell me, do you know which medications I take? Every one has to be listed prior to even getting a list of plans. You really don’t get it, you are attempting to intrude on my private life, and I find that you are getting very creepy with all of this. I neither want or need your help. Medicare gave me the guidance I needed. Oh, and do you remember how old I am? That affects my insurance as well. You need a life. I can’t believe you spend your time sniffing around people the way you do. I’m starting to get a mental visualization of what you might look like, and it sure isn’t your icon.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Whether he realizes it or not, he’s essentially portraying the intrusive role of government into people’s lives. And you’re right… it’s creepy.

          • Sheila Warner

            I can’t for the life of me figure out his obsession with my health insurance. I have to admit it; that really creeps me out. Now he’s getting closer to stalker behavior. But I am a big girl with thick skin, so he really doesn’t rattle me all that much. I do admit that his bait is often too irresistible to ignore. But he seemingly has no idea how to follow a thread. It would seem that he has a short term memory problem so severe, that he forgets what he says the moment he hits the “post as” button.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            This is often the challenge with several of the liberals that come to this website. They don’t come here to debate topics, but rather to pettifog and reduce discussions into adolescent drivel.

            The obsessive nature of some of these people truly is disturbing. We’ve got a former poster (who was blacklisted months ago) who still shows up here every day, under various aliases, for the sole purpose of executing some super-villain-like rant that looks like it was taken from a poorly-written comic book. lol.

            It’s as if there is no life beyond this website for some of them.

          • Ted

            Hey, I get it, drivel like tko spews. Good pt! Ideologues like you make laugh because whenever more than one progressive offers similar views the conspiracist side of can’t resist saying that it’s the same person. Roflmao

          • T Ko

            And John, I do ask for your indulgence to allow me to respond to Ted, aka/Silverfish, in the manner that he is calling for. It is the only thing, short of a ban that even registers with him.

            My apologies to you and everyone else for the stupid and lame crap that I am currently participating in with him.

            Whenever you tell me to cease and desist, I will.

            Otherwise, I will try and bind his time so that others might have a decent and respectful exchange here.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            It’s okay. It was mainly the lawsuit stuff that got him banned before. If that doesn’t start back up again, I’m more than happy to give all parties some leeway.

          • T Ko

            Thanks, John. I hate to admit to him that I am doing something because of him that I would rather not do, but I feel like in some way I am helping the other folks here by trying to tie him up. He will say something about that. ☺

          • Ted

            Lawsuits aren’t my style. Intellectual derriere kickings are a different story. Try me and see?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Then you’re welcome to continue posting. Merry Christmas.

          • Ted

            And to you!

          • Ted

            You say, “My apologies for the stupid and lame crap blah, blah, blah.” And so I wish to apologize for relentless @$$ kicking you’ve been on the receiving end of. It has been like shooting fish in a barrel and I need to do a better job of not taking intellectual candy from intellectual and emotional babies……….Nah!!!!!!

          • T Ko

            He has noticed that there are several who have responded when someone got rude with you. He is using a strategy to weasel his way in and then harass you and then tie up all your time.

            He will now call me paranoid, but that’s only because he hates being pointed out.

          • legal eagle

            Sorry for trying to be helpful…I forgot I was dealing with a paranoid right winger. It won’t happen again…

          • T Ko

            Be careful…the Dr. Weasel! And the Wall St broker, and the attorney, and … the WEASEL!

          • Sheila Warner

            So, le replied with “I’m just trying to help”, and that somehow my refusal to discuss this with him makes me a rt wing nutjob, or something to that effect. I’m ignoring him. He’s a troll and a stalker. I hope ignoring him will make him go away. Enjoying your replies to him, though.

          • T Ko

            Thanks, Sheila. If he enjoys it I’ve got lots more. There have been many people that tried to talk honestly with him, but he is deceitful.

          • T Ko

            Less expensive than what? How much subsidy? How many covered? Deductible? Co-pays?

            C’mon man…you should know!

          • legal eagle

            I do know…you can too if you Google it…

          • T Ko

            Since you don’t know where she is to start with, you don’t know her income, you don’t know her age, you don’t know her gender (you think you do), and a whole bevy of necessary information, then you can make a guess. Good luck.

          • legal eagle

            She’s on Medicare…Medicare advantage is not age based, gender based or income based… I was attempting to help someone…I won’t do that again…

          • T Ko

            You don’t have much experience at that.

          • T Ko

            This is his tactic…and so it goes.

          • T Ko

            I’ll discuss the facts…know any?

          • T Ko

            Yeah? And what part of the country are you looking in?

            Sorry, first, what country are you looking in?

          • T Ko

            He is throwing his net again. CAUGHT! Sorry, Sheila. :-(

          • T Ko

            McCain would have been so much better…he understands what a leader is and he’s not a liar.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            It’s an absolute scandal. I’ve long believed that this president is completely detached from the basic responsibilities that come with the office. I believe his first thought on everything is always himself, and not the welfare of the American people.

            The result, like you said, is anger when people criticize someone who’s trying to cover his ass, and a largely agnostic reaction to the murder of four Americans.

            Only it’s far worse than mere indifference. There seems to have been a more aggressive effort to cover up what happened that night than seeking justice for what happened.

          • golfdoc95

            No one said the other scandals aren’t concerning. It’s just not the point of the article or thread. I notice you are choosing to make a personal comment instead of responding to the arguments at hand. That says all it needs to say about the indefensible position into which O has placed his most ardent followers.

          • Integrity

            Actually, they have and quite often. Regardless, I was commenting specifically to the insensitive, or at best, moronic statement. Given the track record of this contributor, he deserves no civility from me. Having served in the military, the marginalizing of the Benghazi Scandal really bothers me. It made me very angry when Hillary Clinton said, “What difference does it make!?!?” I just can’t fathom how any decent person could think a person of this caliber deserves to be POTUS. Does that mean that I think that all people that support Hillary are indecent? No. I do appreciate your comments and acknowledge that I may very well be lobbing gratuitous insults that are unnecessary in this forum. I am not sure whether I can quit since he has long since abandoned a substantive debate on the arguments at hand. That being said, the contributor does have some redeeming qualities. Specifically, I respect his volunteer work. Being arrogant doesn’t make someone a bad person. Otherwise, I would be in a lot of trouble. QED

        • George Williams

          I don’t think that the 5 million who lost their insurance plans, and doctors and saw their premiums, co-pays and deductibles rise would agree with you, not to mention the fact that the worse is yet to come when the employer mandate comes to pass. Do you really think that most of the people in this blog cannot see right through your effort to make light of he fact that your pathetic fearless leader, Obama is now considered the liar of the year for 2013, not only by Politifact, but by the rational part of the American people? You are the whiner, lamenting the fact that your poor excuse for a president is now little more than sh@t in most people’s minds.

          • Sheila Warner

            I’ve been warned not to engage this guy. He only wants to bail people, not have a substantive discussion.

          • George Williams

            I get perverse pleasure in mincing words with this fool and his echo, psilverman, aka silverfish.

          • D Parri

            Heads up, Sheila, it appears that Ted is another one with the ‘attack the messenger’ design in his nature. FYI

        • ed27

          The president cares little for people who work hard, play by the rules, and avoid “the self-inflicted wounds” that cause people to sponge off the rest of us for most of their lives–out of wedlock births, drug addictions, criminal backgrounds–these are the citizens (or illegals) he wants to protect with his policies. It wouldn’t be so bad but he says very little to condemn the behavior that causes the rest of us to go broke. Instead he makes villains out of those who have worked to gain their money. The system is set up to take care of those who truly need help but the numbers of people who make bad decisions and/or refuse to better themselves through hard work are growing by the day. The dam is going to break.

        • Drew Page

          Sad as it is, not many people give a damn about Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS targeting, NSA spying or all of Obama’s czars. why? Because it doesn’t hit them in the wallet, that’s why. Obama Care does. Except for those who will not have to pay for it, Obama Care will be an equal opportunity screwing.

          • legal eagle

            Has it hit you in your wallet?

          • T Ko

            Is that any of your business? Not at all.

        • T Ko

          Wrong. Obama has everyone worked up over Obamacare. He lied. It sucks.

    • D Parri

      Nice.

    • Hammockbear

      And love to spend other people’s money.

    • legal eagle

      Like your parents?

  • MamaGrizzly

    Repeal, Replace, & RESIGN!!!

    • Sheila Warner

      Dream on, it will never happen. You have to deal in reality, with the deck you are dealt.

      • Hammockbear

        There is always Hope. Hope for Change. The correct Change.

        • Sheila Warner

          Good thing you threw that caveat in there at the end! LOL

  • Paul Rush

    Bernie, Thank you for your insight. The lamestream media won’t dig deep into his comments because if he lied there about keeping your health plan where else did he lie? And they don’t want that. We have Hillary Clinton in the wings waiting to take over the helm of the country. And what a track record she has!!! Absolutely pathetic.. Hopefully and I say hopefully the public will wake up before it is too late and help change the direction of this economy.

    • Sheila Warner

      The GOP needs to hang Hillarycare around her neck, along with the Benghazi atrocity. She would tinker with the health care system even more so than President Obama. I’m sure she still has her original charts and graphs stowed away, ready for resurrection at an opportune time.

      • legal eagle

        Glad to see you have your anti- Hillary talking points ready to go….Can’t wait to see which Republican Fox News picks to run against her…

        • Sheila Warner

          Well, I suppose since msnbc has already chosen Mrs Clinton, we’ll have to wait and see. Probably a really long time, based on the GOP primaries in 2012. I don’t recall FNC “picking” anyone; they just reported on the debacle.

          • D Parri

            Well, Sheila, it looks like you have the dubious honor of having been chosen by King Weasel during this go around. Pay close attention how nothing that he says pertains to the substance of Bernie’s article.
            Very transparent bugger, that Weasel!

          • Ron Bon Jovi

            Mr. legal eagle, like many people who post on this page, is not interested in discussing the particular issue at hand. Mr. Goldberg’s piece was on President Obama and his “selling” of the PP&ACA to the American public. Like many who do not like or agree with the message, he works at vilifying and pillorying the messenger. However, I give him credit for engaging the conservative base in this forum. One thing I know for sure, the Honorable Senator Harry Reid would be proud of Mr. eagle.

          • Sheila Warner

            I don’t speak with him, anymore. And, I’m not a conservative. I’m an independent moderate. I have no skin in the game for either party. I do, however, care about what is happening to millions of my fellow Americans as a result of the ACA. I believe it will only go from bad to worse. I guess my favorite dumb statement was that millions did not really lose their coverage, they merely are changing it, which is easily accomplished. Must be some strong substance in that cup of Kool Aid.

          • T Ko

            Sheila, I think that I’m ganna’ agree with Mr. Parri on this one…you are now a target because you’ve engaged them and given them a voice.

            It’s ok to tack a comment to theirs, but don’t ever think that you’ll have a conversation with them where they offer anything intelligent. It just ain’t in ‘em!

          • Sheila Warner

            True. I answered legal eagle’s question about whether or not ACA affected me. It did. Of course, it will be a moot point for him.

          • T Ko

            Ms., or is it Mrs., Bon Jovi, I am so glad to see that you are now the Legal Weasel’s publicity agent. I think you will do well with him, or her, or it, whatever.

            It’s always nice to see someone running interference for an antagonist and baiter. It helps explain your position so much better.

          • Ron Bon Jovi

            Insult me all you want. legal eagle is entitled to his point of view. And I can choose to agree, or not agree with him as I please. Let’s not forget, without a left there would be no right. Also, I enjoy how he brings out the best in the people on this forum. At the end of the day, I choose to debate the message, not the messenger.

          • D Parri

            I agree with you, it should always be about the message, not the messenger, and you are absolutely entitled to your point of view and he, as well.

            I have been harassed by LW in the past and it was after I tried to engage him in an honest debate. He was not interested, and he chose to become insulting instead.

            Whatever your experience with LW in the future, good luck to you.

          • Sheila Warner

            “At the end of the day, I choose to debate the message, not the messenger.” Too bad legal eagle doesn’t do that.

          • legal eagle

            Well your recollection is not as good as mine….If you believe that MSNBC has the influence on Dems that Fox News has on Republicans you are mistaken..

        • George Williams

          Before Obama was publicly discredited by the main stream media, Fox was proclaiming the truth about Obamacare’s costs, and infamous keep your doctor and insurance plans claims. I’d say that you would be hard pressed to continue bad mouthing Fox, when you’ve been spending months in this blog defending Obama and his ACA lies. By siding with the liar in chief, you have taken on the stain of the incredulousness of his “facts” and his minion’s proclamations about Fox as not being a legitimate news agency. Fox has proved the exception among a mainstream media that is no longer reporting facts, but only serving as a mouthpiece for the incredulous liar in chief. You sir, have been had, yet, by continuing to support the insupportable, you seem to have no shame.

        • T Ko

          Miss Hellary is her own biggest negative talking point. GAAAGGG!

      • kayakbob

        I thought as little of Hillarycare as I did (and do) of Obamacare. So I guess that makes me a misogynist….or something.

    • D Parri

      Paul, I hate to say it but the narrative appears to be already shaping up as “Sure, Obama lied, because the GOP forced him to.”

      …not even a plausible construct, although it will probably be the only thing that they are left to work with.

  • NHB

    The big thing in decline is the Republican Party. If they joined the tea party
    all could have been better.
    BUT!, they will not they will just sit tight with their thumb up their %$# and watch it all go down the drain.

    • Sheila Warner

      The GOP missed a golden opportunity when George W Bush was elected. They saw Hillarycare go down the drain, and with a GOP President, it would have been a bit easier to pass a health insurance reform bill of their own. Instead, they only approved Medicare Part D. That left millions of uninsured still not covered. They waited until President Obama started pushing for Obamacare to try to get their ideas passed. I think the nation would have been ready for a reasonable solution after Hillarycare scared the crap out of everyone. Instead, we got the ACA. I’m not sure how they get themselves out of this mess when the Senate is controlled by Harry Reid, and President Obama is still in the White House.

      • Judy480

        Unfortunately, many of our Republican lawmakers are inept–Medicare part D is a great example. Some of the up and coming Republicans seem to have a lot more on the ball and the ability to articulate the great message of our Constituion. Let’s hope it some of them can rise in the party and that it’s not too late.

  • Bob From Virginia

    And you know what else is funny? Obama’s popularity is rebounding. In a few months it will be as though the Obamacare lies never happened.
    And some people say america is in decline.

    • D Parri

      B, in a few months…like 10 months from now when the 6 million people who were dropped from their plans (which Obama PROMISED them they could keep, BTW) are still uncovered and their medical bills are skyrocketing?

      You mean after the tsunami wave of person medical bankruptcies have really gotten started?

      You mean after the next round of policy cancellations–estimated to approach 100 million American lives–are geared up and ready for announcement?

      Yes sir, they will be so tired of hearing his same lies repeated over and over again. However, I have a prediction to make…it won’t be because he is going to become the most-liked and trusted man in America. They will remember what he said, though.

      • Sheila Warner

        When they run clips of political disasters, President O’s “you can keep your plan and doctor” will be shown next to President George HW Bush’s “read my lips, no new taxes”, and President Clinton’s famous “it depends on what the word ‘is’ is”.

        • D Parri

          If the operative word is disaster…I believe that Obama still wins easily. If the operative word is “lie”, however, Obama doesn’t even have any competition.

  • keith hart

    We have to stop this thing.

    To this point, most focus is on the nuts and bolts of Obamacare: premiums, policies, coverage, etc.

    Looking down the track of this Obama express, what are we looking at once we arrive where Obama is taking us — Obama’s final destination for us all?

    I know one anecdote is just one anecdote — it does put a face to it. With hundreds of thousands of similar anecdotes you get a tidal wave of hard fact.

    I have first hand knowledge of this particular anecdote.
    A woman, 54, from Tottenham, UK diagnosed with glaucoma. She’s given 9 months to complete blindness.

    Public health schedules her for surgery in 18 months.

    “But I’ll be blind in 9 months”
    “ever so sorry”
    “But I pay my taxes”
    “that’s the best we can do, sorry”

    Thanks to her children, neighbors and some distant relatives Stateside, she flies to NYC for successful surgery restoring her sight.

    Thank you, ever so much, british labour party. Damn bloody bunch of paper pushing, commie swine. Just kiddin’ — in a pig’s eye.

    I just can’t see how people line up for this kinda’ treatment.
    what if people don’t want liberty. they just wanna be taken care of.
    with this kinda’ of treatment I wouldn’t call this being taken care of.
    well, they seem to line up for it, anyway.
    if this is the case, well, I guess I’m on my own.
    maybe, its just me. my nut with authority.
    never could stand arrogant morons over me.
    what was that thing patrick henry said — hmm
    — give it a moment …….. it’ll come to me.

    • Sheila Warner

      People don’t want liberty, they just want to be taken care of. Succinct and to the point. It’s why the PATRIOT Act passed with barely a whimper from the citizens. In the end, though, you lose your liberty when you just want to be taken care of. Once that liberty is gone, it’s very hard to get it back again. There is a chance the American citizens will wake up to what the ACA really is all about, and vote their consciences. We’ll just have to wait another 11 months for November 2014 to see if that chance takes root in the electorate.

  • Sheila Warner

    Last night Martha McCallum, substituting for Megyn Kelly on The Kelly File, reported that the President is urging doctors to go ahead and treat patients who find out in January that they don’t actually have coverage, due to the problem of the payment portion of the law. She predicts that the “urging” of the President, who will claim that those folks are actually enrolled, with become a mandate. And, apparently, there is a push in some states, not identified, which are considering legislation that will force doctors to accept Medicaid. We live in very scary times.

    • D Parri

      S, can you just imagine being one of those doctors who, if they treated a patient just on the basis of the president’s urging, decided to try and collect on unpaid bills from January and hundreds of patients who are never verified as having coverage at the time of treatment? Total chaos for about 90% of those accounts. The honest 10% would see that the doctor was paid.

      Until all commerce is taken over by the socialist state–I predict that will not happen, I believe that doctors, insurance companies, and others in the healthcare industry have the constitutional right to pursue Life, Liberty, and Happiness.

      That includes a profit.

      • Sheila Warner

        Thanks for your insight. It’s appreciated. I personally hate health insurers, but my hatred is anecdotal in nature due to my personal dealings with them. I certainly do NOT think that Obamacare is the solution. It’s a big fat mess.

        • D Parri

          Yes, S, I probably have some similar history with the insurance companies, although slightly different.

          I think most consumers are somewhat naïve when it gets tough with the insurers. They are anything but naïve.

          And yes, OhNo!Care is a mess that threatens to destroy a working system that everyone agreed should be reformed. I hope that it is not too late.

    • George Williams

      I can’t think of a better way to discourage people from becoming doctors or to retire from practice or go concierge than by dictating compensation. This alone will cause a revolution against the messiah and his party. They can dictate insurance but short of slavery, no one can make a doctor become or stay a doctor.

      • Sheila Warner

        So tonight it was reported by Megyn Kelly that new regs are being put into place. Insurers will be forced to reimburse providers if someone who thought he was covered, but really wasn’t, and then went to see a doctor, So, the insurers are going to get a check from the government and settle how much they actually needed sometime down the road. And, doctors must see patients who believe they are covered but are not. The government will (eventually) reimburse them. I see a future in which there are fewer and fewer doctors, as you have pointed out. This law lurches from one bad issue to the next on a regular basis. It’s nauseating.

        • George Williams

          Of course Obama has absolutely no legal authority to enforce such edicts. And any promise for reimbursement is subject to question as well. Someone has to have standing to challenge His Majesty Barack Obama in the courts. This is way beyond his authority.

  • rbblum

    Pants on fire ! ? Need not wonder why it has been said that the emperor has no clothes.

    • George Williams

      I understand that it’s even more painful to the victim to have pretend pants catch on fire.

  • Shane

    I agree. Obama finally got an award that he had earned.

  • TJ Goforth

    The current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. is actually the king of Chutzpah!

  • Lc Goodfellow

    You have already made this comment.

    And some how the comment has been DELETED

  • k962

    The arrogance of Obama and his cabal of elitists never ceases to amaze me!

  • Judy480

    THE NEXT BIG LIE

    This thing, the ACA, is corrupt–through and through. The next BIG LIE that we will be faced with is one that I heard on numerous occasions; that the ACA is a private program that promotes competition among insurers and, therefore, will reduce costs. Now, however, we are hearing bits and pieces about how, built in to the system, insurers will be compensated for their losses. What the h _ _ _ kind of competition is that? And, what insurer wouldn’t go for that cushy deal? This will cost $trillions!

    • Sheila Warner

      Excellent point. Not only that, but the Administration is urging doctors to go ahead and treat those who are surprised in January that they really don’t have coverage. I bet he turns that into a mandate.

      • Judy480

        Soon we will have most doctors working directly for the government–that is if they don’t drop of medicine entirely. If the next election doesn’t bring huge changes, I think our country is down the tubes.

  • Joh

    Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have been intereviewed for TV in the past two weeks and each of them has sworn that the president didn’t lie. These people think the American people are idiots. Sadly, they might be right

    • Bob From Virginia

      “think” the American people are idiots? Seems pretty well settled to me.

      • D Parri

        Just curious, did you believe the president and all his men when they sold the ACA to the American people? I did not.

        The premises that they claimed the law was based upon are illogical. The workings of supply and demand function ALWAYS work to increase the value of an asset, or service, whose supply has not increased proportionately. Period.

        • Sheila Warner

          You can’t add millions more onto insurance rolls, while simultaneously telling them that they have to accept folks with pre-existing conditions, and also to get rid of lifetime caps, and expect the insurers to stay in business. First of all, as you say, there is supply and demand. More sick people on the rolls with about the same number of doctors. So right away there has to be some rationing. If the health insurance companies have to pay out millions more for care, they will necessarily raise their premiums. So, this notion that “not one dime” would be added to the deficit was fairyland thinking. I have had many bad experiences with insurance companies, that’s for sure, but if they go out of business altogether, then the burden gets shifted either to the government, or to the remaining insurers, who will have to raise premiums again. This is all about moving to a single payer system. Period.

          • D Parri

            Yes, that was my thought from the very beginning of the Demo-Head’s discussion.

            Things that Pelosi said were stupid. Things that Reid said were foolish. Things that Obama said were absolute lies.

      • keith hart

        I don’t see idiots. I see a resilient people, carrying heavy responsibilities everyday and they carry them well, handicapped by leaders bent on betraying them for their own personal gain.

  • Paul Courtney

    Bernie: Or should I say, “Mr. Nice Guy”, you’re wise not to give Sen Reid “Doofus of Year”, he was sure running hard but beaten at the wire when K. Sebelius called for an investigation of her pet project. Maybe she can call Hillary and get the names of the guys who did the State Dep’t report on Benghazi. You know, the one where they blamed the low-level guy whose dog ate Chris Stevens’ emails begging for help before they got to Madame Secretary’s desk

    • Sheila Warner

      So many Doofi, so few awards. Pick any major spokesperson. My list includes Jay Carney, Rahm Emmanuel, Hillary Clinton, David Axelrod, Nancy Pelosi, Valerie Jarrett, and my personal favorite, Dr Ezekiel Emmanuel. So many Doofi from which to choose. I’m sure there are more.

      • D Parri

        That’s scary…we’ve been overrun!

      • duh

        Is doofus from Latin? Is the plural doofusses, doofuses or doofi?
        Or am I a doofus?

        • Sheila Warner

          Who knows? I said “doofi” because I like Latin. Even though I can’t read or write much of it. It just sounds snooty, which is how some comments around here sound. It’s a joke.

  • savage24

    You have to have a conscience before you can be embarrassed or ashamed, Obama only has his mirror and the MSM. He shamed the American people with his display of Mr. Cool at the Mendela memorial, but that is another story that wiil not be told.

  • joepotato

    Apparently if you like your lying dictator you can keep him too. If you don’t it’s tough stuff for you…Soetorobama has more insidious lies out there, however they don’t directly affect as many people… The “obstructing justice” lies of Fast & Felonious, Benghazi the IRS comes to mind… but I digress… Obies intro into Fascism via the ACA aka the UCA seems to be falling flat… and all the kings horses and… Well you get the idea… Bernie, have you seen one of those CCP Sheriff’s Kits yet?

  • mj

    I was on my husbands healthcare plan and was dropped two days ago. I have been battling the website for a day and a half. FInally signed up for a comparable plan at 3 times the cost. higher deductible and max out of pocket. THIS IS A JOKE!! Affordable, my %#*

    • Sheila Warner

      I am so very sorry for you! This is the type of thing we hear over and over again. Even the MSM touched on it a bit. Fox regularly has guests on the air with similar stories. I am praying for the nation, its leaders, and especially the citizens who are getting hammered by this law. My husband’s insurance is still in place because of the date of the contract. When that is up, there goes his health plan. I’m scared to death sometimes.

  • Ted

    I get it Bernie. It makes you feel better to continue to whine but get over it as your gripes are now a moot point aren’t they? And Obamacare’s not a mess, the initial roll out was thx in part to the states that didn’t do their own website.

    • Former Democrat

      Yep, the states that did set up their own websites are buzzing right along… what, Oregon? Oh yeh, Oregon with all the unaccountable money that went to creating their own website “Cover Oregon” still cannot process a single application, forcing everyone to paper applications and hand processing.
      Yep, Ted. You’ve nailed it. Obamacare is great. It’s just not working. But it’s great. Since it’s going so well, it has hastened the advent of nationalized healthcare which will probably be declared by Tuesday!

    • MontanaMade

      Tell me please Ted- I’d LOVE to know just how Obamacare is NOT a white hot flaming mess!

      The roll out is just the second part of it- the 1st being the many lies. There’s more to come when more than 75-100M get cancellation notices, then doctors will leave the profession, leaving gaping holes in the HC industry. Waiting list then follow, along with rationing.

      How do we know this? Because Europe and Canada have already experienced it and the systems are imploding everywhere. And this is what Obama wants to model this plan after…

      And here we thought Obama was a smart guy. I guess he is if Single payer insurance is the ultimate goal…

      • Sheila Warner

        Which is the goal, of course–single payer a la Canada and parts of Europe. But we have over 300 million people in the USA, so the logistics of trying to move to single payer will be another nightmare. We’ll all be on Medicaid, and the doctors will close their doors.

    • floridahank

      Let’s talk about it in June after everything becomes public. Right now, nobody knows much of anything — it’s all propaganda until the facts of
      signing up and paying for the insurance is on the bottom line.

      • Sheila Warner

        The numbers are available, but the Obama Administration is holding back on letting us know.

        • floridahank

          In my opinion a person isn’t officially signed up for any insurance until he actually pays for the premium, otherwise it’s just a meaningless number. 10 million can sign up but if only a small % pays for it, the actual figure is bogus — the bottom line shows the true enrollee number, and I think they’ll hold back on it until late in 2014 so the negative picture won’t be hurting the Dem’s as the election nears. The GOP should make this a huge issue early in 2014 and build on it to show the failure of the Dem’s. If will be a major issue for our citizens and we should use it.

          • Sheila Warner

            Ah, but did you hear the latest? Even if it turns out that the person who visits a doctor in 2014 and then discovers she is not really enrolled at all, the insurers will still have to pay the doctor until it’s straightened out. Ridiculous.

    • Jeff Webb

      >>And Obamacare’s not a mess…<<

      No argument there. The mess is the condition of the healthcare industry and America's economy that Obamacare has caused.

    • keith hart

      Geez, Ted. What parallel universe are you from? I didn’t believe in string theory until now.

    • Paul Courtney

      Don’t know what you’re whistling, pal, but you must be passing a cemetery. The launch of healthcare.gov is so awful, the word “launch ” is tainted. As the smoke clears, you don’t see that more will lose insurance than gain it? You batty progs tried to get more people covered by raising benefits and costs, premiums and deductibles BOTH higher. Nothing in aca will keep med. costs down, but Obama’s holding a pillow on the face of the economy will. Keep whistling, this mess is going to splatter all over your spatz and you still won’t see.

    • Integrity

      The launch of Obamacare has been so bad that many are now considering the use of the term “Obamacare” to be racist. QED

      • D Parri

        That’s very interesting.

        However, I am not so inclined to succumb to the race-baiting tactics that the Demo-head leadership and point-men, and women, are prone to employ.

        It is sad when the integrity (no puns or slams intended) of our elected leadership sinks so low as to be willing to use any tactic, regardless of how despicable, in order to gain even a slight advantage at any cost.

        • Integrity

          The left can come up with some unique ways to call people with dissenting opinions, “racists”. QED

  • SkyCitizen

    We were all waiting for you to get to this subject Bernie. When former President Bill Clinton went off the deep end with the truth the only people hurt were his family which is bad enough. But President Obama has kicked lying into a whole new realm. It wasn’t a carefully crafted political lie with plenty of plausible deniability built in, nor was it a true white lie where the teller might fall back on intention. There was simply no elegance to it at all. No, it was technically known in some circles here in middle America as a big fat ass whopper. To me what put booster rockets on Obama’s lies was his tacit blaming, in concert with senatorial fungi Harry Reid, the American people for failing to understand.

  • Curt Parker

    I used to think that Jimmy Carter was the worst president of my life (my first president was Harry Truman), but I was dead wrong. I just pray that Obama’s incompetence and hubris don’t end up killing millions of Americans.

    • Ted

      Never heard of W, eh?

      • MontanaMade

        that’s a joke, right?? They’re not even in the same realm…

        • Ted

          Agreed, they’re not in the same realm. Failing to protect us on 9/11, the biggest foreign policy disaster since Vietnam which is the invasion of Iraq, the economy and housing bubble in 08 and 07, the GDP decreasing -4% and -9% during the last two qtrs under W and hemoraghing jobs at the rate of 750k per month. No comparison, you’re right!

          • MontanaMade

            Carter caused the Iran situation that persists today by him pulling support for the Shah and allowing the Ayatollahs to take power. Hyper-inflation (prime over 10%!!) of a gargantuan proportion caused by faulty economic recognition. Faulty bank loans- Red Lining- you know, the one that has caused every housing collapse to date since he was in office (yeah, that was Carter’s law- not Bush- that gave out all the faulty loans). Carter’s foreign policy that led to massive oil shortages- then he tried to control fuel prices- which caused even more fuel shortages. Then there’s that pesky little hostage thing that HE caused & didn’t fix. Carter had a real issue with lecturing America instead of leading the country. Gave away the Panama Canal. Pardoned ALL draft dodgers. Refused to support Russia in Afghanistan. Carters list goes on for miles and miles. Seems like a likable guy- just a lousy POTUS.

            They’re not in the same realm- Carter wins the award hands down. Obama will take the title as he leaves office- by hook or by crook.

          • Ted

            Sorry but none of Carter’s (under whose administration not one bullet was fired by the military) or Obama’s mistakes add up to Iraq, 9/11 or Katrina. And I have more bad news for you. W will go down as Bottom 5 President giving Warren Harding a run for the “title” of worst EVER.

          • Stimpy

            Dream on. Carter and Obama are the worst in this modern era. No contest.

          • Sheila Warner

            I remember sitting in my car, on my designated day of the week, waiting forever for my ration of 5 gallons. Then I would go home, turn on the news, and see coverage of the hostage crisis. Every day, a new number….30 days, 60 days–on and on until day 444 when the hostages were set free just after Reagan took the oath of office. Had Carter won re-election, those hostages would have languished another four years. Why? Because Iran had Carter over a barrel (pun intended), they knew he was weak, and so they waited until he was out of office before freeing the hostages. It was humiliating, scary and outrageous. Carter is the worst President in my lifetime, for sure. And don’t even get me started on his lectures to America about turning off lights, turning the heat way down, and wearing sweaters. Then he blamed the entire mess on the citizens. It was our malaise that caused it all.

          • MontanaMade

            nice try- but it will never happen. Carter & Obama will square off for that title. After many years of history- W will be looked upon more favorably- he will end up in the top 15 but no higher.

            Obama has the entire middle east on fire because of his policies- rather his LACK of policy. Leading from behind is not leading- it’s following.- add in Benghazi, F&F, IRS, NSA, ACA debacle, etc… then heap the ever mounting lies upon lies upon lies- that makes Obama king of the loser mountain!

          • Stimpy

            Clinton had a chance to wax Obama, er I mean, Osama and failed to act. That was when Osama was holding court in Somalia.

    • joepotato

      That’s the plan… many must die in the transformation of the USA aka Great Satan… If the Fascist-care death panels don’t work, maybe martial law will do the trick… Incompetence you day…? He (and they) knows what they’re doing…

      • Curt Parker

        Joe, I stand corrected. As a Marxist he’s quite competent.

        • Ted

          As an ideolgue so are you! Well done.

          • Curt Parker

            Thanks. I’m a free-market capitalist. You?

          • Ted

            Sorry but anyone inaccurately labels Obama a Marxist is an ideologue. Period.

          • Stimpy

            Just a wealth redistributing community organizer. That sounds a bit Marxist to me.

          • Sheila Warner

            “From each according to his ability to each according to his need.” That is the essence of President Obama’s philosophy. And, no wonder. In his book “Dreams of My Father”, he writes that he sought out radicals and Marxists while attending college. And, we have his obsession with “income equality”, as if the government can set wages. Oh, wait, he wants to raise the minimum wage again. Tax the rich more, and “invest” that money into more government projects. Sounds Marxist to me.

          • Integrity

            Do you see the irony of ending your comment with “period”? QED

          • Ted

            The irony is that you got the irony! And people said you weren’t sharp! Res ipsa loquiter.

        • joepotato

          Obie Dingle Barry Soetorobama is not exactly acting alone either…

  • Gradivus

    He added the “Period” at the end of the lie many, many times. My personal favorite is when he added “No matter what!” after that.

  • Buzzeroo

    You can’t give your little kids an unequivocally worded promise about something that you will do for them in the future and fail to do so without the worst of possible consequences………They will no longer….ever… believe or trust you. Obama initially compounded his lie by trying to tell his ‘family’, the nation, that he never told them what they distinctly heard but when they were treated by the internet and TV with tape of him uttering his baloney hundreds of times, he owned up and apologized—too late. He has permanently lost their trust and his ability to govern, which is something that he has yet to try to do. But fools like, Reid and Palosi and Hoyer and Debbie Whatsherface and many more democrat political miscreants are still saying to the public that Obama never piddled on their shoes—it was rain—and it was,is and will ever be-good for them. If I didn’t see this disgraceful deceit on the part of an American administration, I wouldn’t be able to even imagine such rank, nasty, harmful stupidity to be even remotely possible

    • Sheila Warner

      Yea, the outright lie that he claimed he told Americans they could keep their plan if there were no changes after the law took effect was my favorite lie. My jaw actually dropped on that one. That lie was worse than all of them, IMHO.

  • ScranunSlim

    The MSM (the ‘S’ now stands for “Slobbbbbering” thanks to
    Bernie) was criminally complicit in selecting-not-electing Barack O’Selfie, an
    incompetent narcissist-blatherskite who thinks doctors get “$30,000. . $40,000. .$50,000 (for amputating a diabetic’s leg).”

    Obozocare will be the postal service in a lab coat but in the meantime, it’s a 2000-page Great White circling employers as if they’re the crew of the U.S.S. Indianapolis, each of ‘em wondering who’ll be the next one to be torn to shreds..

    • floridahank

      I’m certain that Pelosi hasn’t read 2,000 pages of anything in her life, so why would you expect her to know what’s in the ACA — be lucky if she read the comics.

    • Sheila Warner

      A great comment!

  • ted

    Markinlv: the problem is not only the evil man, but 1) a sycophant media, educational and entertainment industry and 2) an opposing party that doesn’t seem to understand that winning is everything. OpEds, editorials and the like are impotent. The ballot box is the only way to beat back the Progressives…which is impossible.
    Welcome to ObamaLand Forever.
    markinlv

  • ted

    You have one thing wrong. Obama is a little man with no self-confidence which is why he cannot admit to the tiniest, tiniest blemish of anything from the little lie of never meeting the DUI uncle with whom he lived to the subject of this article. The man has nothing inside, and over compensates with HItlerian bravado. He is to steal a phrase from Neitzel and Welzer’s book “Soldaten” — the gravedigger of America.
    http://www.periodictablet.com

  • Paul Vasek

    Obamacare is hurting millions of Americans and millions more to come and more people are finally realizing that Obama doesn’t care.

  • Just Thinking

    It wasn’t a lie. It was prevarication.

  • gold7406

    the support of the administration are like the fans of the beatles years ago.
    next week we will hear, “if you listen to the administration’s speeches backwards you’ll learn exactly what it means.”

    • begbie

      I hear “suckers” over and over again.

  • ballpark1981

    ” lie of the year “, since he has been saying that since 2009, he wins ” LIAR OF THE DECADE “

  • Barbara

    Thank you Bernie, for your continued candidness. What is another lie that pundits don’t bring up is the pre-existing condition nonsense. ACA delays coverage for it just as regular health insurers do. Regular insurers won’t not insure people because of pre-existing conditions. ACA delays coverage as long as 9 months where market insurers will cover them after buying coverage within 2 months, depending on which insurance company. I don’t work for a health insurance company. I’m just fed up with the lies. AND, the media is still enabling him when they perpetuate this one. The Senate put laws on the books to deal with pre-existing conditions. Obamadoesntcare’s bill did nothing to force insurers to cover them because insurers would do it anyway, but have waiting periods; just like ACA does.

  • markinlv

    In his book, The Road to Serfdom, Hayek points out that only a wicked man can succeed in implementing a statist agenda on his subjects because the only way such an agenda can be successfully implemented is by force. And the only way such a man can live with himself in imposing such an agenda, which hurts nearly all of his subjects, is to be completely comfortable with wielding such power, with absolutely no remorse for the consequences. Hitler was such a man, and Stalin is probably the prototype for this type of man. The apologists for statism in any of its forms, e.g. communism and socialism, say the only reason these forms of governance have failed is because the wrong people have been in charge, and if the right people, i.e. “them”, had done it, it would work out happily. But as Hayek demonstrates, it is impossible for a good person to be in charge of a communist or socialist state because the only way such a state continues is through coercion, including a corrupt military, judiciary, police force, etc. If a good man tries to impose socialism, he will fail because, being a good man, he will see that the methods necessary to maintain such a statist regime entails actions which no good man would allow. Therefore, only wicked men will be successful in imposing communism, socialism, etc. If Obama were a good man, even a decent man, even a man who is at least not wicked, he would recognize the suffering he is causing and would express deem remorse and do all he could to reverse the damage he is causing. But because he is a wicked man, he cares only for himself and for his statist agenda, and there will be no reversal, no apologies. Barack Obama is no different than a Stalin, a Hitler, or a Mugabe. The only difference is that the greatness of the American institutions is a real impediment to him, and may, in the end, save us from the fates which befell other people in the past 100 years who were ruled over by statist despots.

    • keith hart

      markinlv, well said. good logical construct. of course you’re right. Tip, if I may. To get paragraph spacing hold down ‘shift’ and hit ‘enter’ twice

      • D Parri

        Good man! ;-)

    • Stimpy

      Good discussion. I just wonder if much of what you say applies to corporate America CEO’s. They sure don’t give a damn about their employees.

      • Sheila Warner

        Some corporations treat their employees like serfs. Not all do, though. The abuse of power in President Obama is so outrageous that he makes even the worst corporation look like a benevolent monarch.

  • Jenn

    satan…ooops….i mean Obama doesn’t even deserve the title of president..

    • joepotato

      He’s probably not qualified under the Art II NBC clause, but who needs laws anyway…? :-(

  • Walt

    Bottom line. Obama is the devil in disguise, and Jay Carney is the devil’s advocate. God help us all…

    • keith hart

      Jay Carney has a great future ahead of him on some car lot somewhere.

  • teamfrazzled

    Saying PolitiFact monitors the veracity of politicians should be up for Lie of the Year award. PolitiFact said Republucans were lying when they tried to warn people the “If you like your insurance plan, you can keep it” was in fact a lie. They’re just another liberal bootlicking group finally forced to deal with reality, realizing they can no longer carry Obama’s water on this one- although they gave it a mighty try.

  • keith hart

    Obama and his crew even lie about lying. Do you suppose they do that to each other? Could that be the reason this White House stumbles from one blunder to the next. While Obama claims ‘he knew nothing about it — til he saw it on MSNBC’.

    When the ‘Great One’ got caught in his award winning lie: ‘you can keep your healthcare’……..

    He added creative flair to the toolbox of a professional liar, when he finally apologized for getting caught in a lie — not for actually lying — and promised the American people he would lie better in the future —- Geez, the hubris is stunning — while he thinks it’s dazzling.

    Obama really has no clue who We The People are. Maybe he’s ‘untouchable’, now that he doesn’t have to run again. But his ‘Despicable Me’ minions are definitely touchable come Nov 2014.

    • begbie

      My mother always said, “Don’t lie, it’ll just make it worse!” She is a very wise woman.

  • 633

    Actually there was/is a continuing sequence of lies. Although it may be premature I nominate “It will only impact the 5% of the insured in the individual contract market” for next year’s award. It certainly be obvious by then that the entire business contract community-particularly small businesses-will be materially affected..

  • RoscoeBonifitucci

    Barack Obama will forever be known as: Obama the Arrogant Liar.

    He Lies, then shifts Blame, then changes the Subject, then Insults the Truth Teller, than changes his Slogan/Narrative/POV…just like Liberals and Communists and Marxists and Progressives of old. Obama studied Karl Marx, Mao, Lenin and Stalin. He know Saul Alinsky’s Rule For Radicals verbatim.

    Barack Hussein Obama is the enemy of every Black, White, Yellow, Brown and Red Patriotic American. He is the friend of anyone who hates all things American.

    It is time to Impeach Obama before he does any more harm to America or her people.

    • Just Thinking…

      For the longest time, I was opposed to any talk of impeachment. But, as time goes by and we see more and more of his unconstitutional actions, it may be time for consideration. But I fear it would only further divide the country. Our best hope is that the American People have finally realized that voting the Democrats out of office next year will handcuff this out of control president and his cronies. Oh, I forgot… he will still issue executive orders. His version of the Reichstag fire hasn’t happened yet.

      • keith hart

        Personally, I have long since given up on any concern of dividing the country. I am now for no compromise with the marxists — winner take all. Deepen the House, win the Senate in nov 2014 then plan the impeachment party. This guy has done so much damage to the country and hurtful injury to so many Americans. I want him to be the most hated person in American history. How’s that for Legacy, Obama?

        • MontanaMade

          Problem is- you will need 60% of the Senate to impeach- even if the GOP wins/holds every seat they can- that only gets them to 59, one short of the total necessary to get Obama out.

          But then what? Let’s play it out: If they cannot get one Dem to get onboard, they further split the nation. If they do get one Dem, then Good Ol’ Joe “Gaffe a Minute” Biden becomes POTUS.

          So tell me- which is worse- a lying POS Obama, or a total embarrassment in the idiot Biden?

          • keith hart

            Joe is not an ideologue. His whole career, he’s been a guy for hire. He’s a ball player with whomever is in charge. On balance let’s lose the idealogue

          • MontanaMade

            But if Joe is that easily swayed- he’s going to go up against the most powerful leaders in the world- and lose! He cannot bluff like other POTUS have been able to do. I’d hate to see what a second rate hypnotist could do to him…

            We’re talking about the leader of the free world- the most powerful guy in the world- and we’re going to hand it over to… to… to Biden? ugh… Talk about an epic melt down of both foreign and domestic policy!

            Joe is personally responsible for Obama being alive today. Had Barack chosen someone even halfway competent- he’d have been assassinated long ago- but people realize who’s sitting in second chair- and they won’t go there.

          • keith hart

            Addressing your concerns: 90′s Clinton was ‘premier’ Clinton rolled out for ceremonies, meeting state visits, giving speeches. The real ‘de facto’ president was Speaker Gingrich. He was in charge. Americans adapt, overcome and prevail to all shifting circumstances or they don’t, then move aside for other Americans to prevail — until it gets done. Let’s lose the ideologue first.

            Just the impeachment process itself will tie him up and tie up his executive order approach which is likely in his upcoming playbook.

          • MontanaMade

            Agreed- I’d love to see Obama gone and the Speaker of the House in charge again- Gingrich did a good job. He understood what was happening- and Clinton was smart enough to move to the middle and make it happen.

            But I keep coming back to Biden. I just do not want him in charge of anything!

          • keith hart

            I agree about Biden. It puts me in a quandary. My brand new F150 rolls off a cliff — damn! But my mother-in-law is trapped inside.

          • MontanaMade

            :-) LOL!

          • Sheila Warner

            An impossible choice. Neither one is qualified to be President. Can a VP be impeached along with the President? Then we’ll have weepy Boehner as POTUS. That would surely be entertaining.

          • MontanaMade

            not sure Boehner will keep the seat- there is a base movement to make a change. He might beat them back, but I think there will be a change.

          • Sheila Warner

            That speculation has been going on since 2011. It can happen, especially since he really went off on the TP, but I’ll believe it when I see it, at this point.

          • MontanaMade

            That’s definitely a concern- but I think this time around- many more REAL conservatives will be elected- this will put pressure on Boehner to either step it up or get out of the way.

            at least… I hope so

        • Ted

          Your side pisses away $24 Billion by shutting down the Government and not a peep from the Baggers. Try listing all the”damage” you claim to see?

          • Stimpy

            How about trillions added to the national debt and a climate of uncertainty that has produced a very weak economic recovery. How about a legion of bureaucratic czars who seem intent on regulating businesses out of existence?

  • Gloria

    Lies and fabrications and prevarications and fibs – specialties of the house, the White House that is. Why is anyone at all surprised? I personally observed – just by paying attention – many lies since this president took office, and beforehand as well. One that sticks out in my mind is when he claimed, without even so much as a wink, that the ACA had passed Congress with a vast majority!! This was a direct quote from him early on when the criticism hadn’t even begun to rage. And where else is a tax called a penalty to get legislation through Congress but then becomes a tax when the Supreme Court, thanks to Mr. Roberts, deems to assist this mess in passing constitutional muster? It’s the magical chameleon penalty/tax/penalty. They lie to us and the press swears to it, yet no one seems to care. We are in for it big time, as are our children and grandchildren.

  • Firststater

    I strongly supported Hillary Clinton for president in 2008 and given the popularity and large experience void of Barack Obama, believed the appropriate role for him would have been VP. This would allow for him to gain the critical governing experience and awareness needed to perform the president role. Five years in the role now this critical void is starkly revealing itself – the ACA debacle notably. One might say Hillary had the same void and would probably be an arguable point, however, let’s not forget she would bring with her to the White House an advisor steeped in presidential level experience and many would say a pretty successful chief executive for 8 years.

    • nickshaw

      And what, pray tell, constituted “experience” for Pantsuit?
      Presidents aren’t chosen based on their connections but rather, based on their ability.

      Please.
      It would be a toss up as to who can be a bigger liar, in any event!

      • Firststater

        C’mon now. Bill wouldn’t be your typical counselor to the President.

        • MontanaMade

          well at least we know Hilary won’t sleep with him… ewww…

          • nickshaw

            Yeah, she would.

          • MontanaMade

            Ah crap!! Now I can’t get that image out of head!! Where’s my brainwash when I need it…

        • nickshaw

          So, you would vote for who counsels her?
          What if he had an unfortunate mishap?

        • keith hart

          Bill had bin laden and let him go because he had nothing to prosecute him on. Thanks for 9/11, bill.

    • pepps

      optimist

    • keith hart

      Hillary. Hmm. Isn’t she the one who said, “what does it matter. Can’t we just move on?” at the Benghazi hearings. Is that the same Hillary you are referring to?

    • begbie

      Um, no. I’m afraid you need to rethink your qualifications for President.

    • ScranunSlim

      You supported Hillary Botox Sniperfire?!?! Any MAN with such vivid
      memories of taking sniperfire would still be in front of a panel of shrinks
      trying to decide how many electroshocks to give him before he’s shipped back to the rubber room.

      The Benghazi Bungler has already shown that her address for 8 years never made her uniquely qualified to answer that 3:00 am phone call about another terrorist attack. The only call she can handle is,”You again, Denise (Rich) – I KNOW it’s 3 in the morning but The Big Creep isn’t home yet. Right — I’ll put you on the list – right ON TOP OF Monica.(SLAM)”

  • Jarob54

    Should Reid actually believe that Obamacare enhances the democrats chances in 2014, Reid is delusional. I would equate this to the preverbal albatross around their neck. Or akin to receiving the news one has been diagnoised with pancreatic cancer. It not good!

  • Jackryanvb

    It was more of a case of shooting from the hip/lip. Reagan used to do this all the time.

    • 633

      In politics consultants call this the art of the invidious comparison. Its absurd of course, but its what’s left as a defense mechanism when the correspondent/spokesman has no rational defense for the indefensible.

    • nickshaw

      Really? How many times did he continue to “shoot from the hip/lip” after being told what he was shooting was BS?
      And I don’t recall Reagan ever getting the prize for “Lie of the Year”. Maybe I missed that.

    • begbie

      Oh, since you put it that way it’s perfectly fine then. Come on Jack. It was a lie, he knew better in 2010, and he chose politics/party over mom and pop.

    • Jarob54

      To make a blanket statment that “Reagan used to this all the time.” Is simply not true. It seems this statement about keeping your insurance was intentional and they were banking on the fact the mainstream media would not spend any time covering the backlash. After all is this not all about just staying alive, or is that just staying a lie.

  • Acu-Vue

    My personal favorite is when he not only added the “Period” at the end but then concluded with “End of Story” afterwards. As for ‘Mutant’ Valerie Jarrett, I would love to know the inside story behind her power. One could only draw a few different conclusions on the current administration:
    a) Incompetent

    b) Liars
    c) Master Plan all along
    d) Anti-Americans
    e) All of the above
    You make the choice.

    Sometimes I feel as though “We the People” have become “Eloi” and our leaders are all “Morlocks”! (The original “Time Machine” movie – 1960) — Where is Rod Taylor when we need him most!!!

    • 633

      Very imaginative analogy.

    • Sheila Warner

      Love this!

    • keith hart

      Valerie Jarrett got Barack and Michelle their first jobs in Chicago. Got their careers started. Mentored them right along. Michelle was Valerie’s executive asst at the start. Valerie is very, very powerful in Chicago real estate. Comes from a powerful Chicago family background. Barack has never gone anywhere without getting Valerie Jarrett’s approval first. She is his surrogate mother and big sister in one.

      • Acu-Vue

        Thanks for the background info Keith. I have heard her speak on occasion and she did not impress me. Despite all that, I still thinks she looks like a mutant! .

  • http://blog.cyberquill.com/ Cyberquill

    What the president meant was that if you liked your plan, you could print it out, frame it, and hang it on your wall as a keepsake that no one would ever take away from you.

    • 633

      I’m surprised he didn’t use that defense.

      • nickshaw

        There’s still time. ;-)

    • keith hart

      Good one !

  • Dennis

    I do not understand why everyone is getting so wound up about this batch of lies. The Chicago Con Man has done nothing but lie since he got the job. (I guess shovel ready wasn’t so shovel ready after all, ha, ha, ha). If it isn’t him lying personally it is some flunky (i.e. the single cell invertebrate Jay Carney comes to mind) on the Con Man’s behalf.

    Here it is: He had to lie. If the American people had been told the truth this Mount Everest size fiasco would never have passed. It he had told people that you might not be able to keep your insurance or your doctor and the premiums and deductibles would rise dramatically, does anyone seriously believe this monstrosity would have had a chance? Of course he lied he had to. But, fortunately, we can all rest easy knowing Barack the Magnificent, Harry the Talking Cadaver and Nancy the Rafter Sleeper are here to tell us what is best for us. What a relief!

  • JMax

    Bernie, have you personally diagnosed the president with narcissism based on your professional psychiatric credentials, or are you privy to some confidential notes from a psychiatric examination of the president?

    • floridahank

      You don’t have to be a psychiatrist to see what/who Obama is. Just read the symptoms of mental illness in any professional book outlining mental illnesses and their symptoms. Even a bright college student taking psychology would immediately diagnose Obama correctly –I know I did!!

    • Tova Feinman

      Charels Krauthammer (a psychiatrist and careful watcher of presidents, including Obama) has no problem with the diagnosis. You must not understand the DSM IV criteria for Narcisisstic Personality Disorder. Here’s what you do. Get a copy of the DSM IV AND LOOK IT UP. You could use my husband’s but he needs it for patients.

      • JMax

        I already knew this:

        “The symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder revolve around a pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and sense of entitlement. Often individuals feel overly important and will exaggerate achievements and will accept, and often demand, praise and admiration despite worthy achievements. They may be overwhelmed with fantasies involving unlimited success, power, love, or beauty and feel that they can only be understood by others who are, like them, superior in some aspect of life.”

        The question is, how does Bernie, Krauthammer, you or anybody else know that Obama feels “overly important”? He IS the president of the most powerful country on earth, right?

        Exactly HOW is this supposed “grandiosity” manifested in this president and how is it different from any other president? How do you know that this man has a need for admiration? How do you know that this president has any sense of “entitlement” beyond what would be expected for the President of the United States?

        What achievements has he exaggerated exactly? Can you name any president who hasn’t pointed out his achievements, especially when running for re-election?

        By what means or manner has this president demanded praise and admiration? Is there a speech or something where he has demanded any such thing?

        Are you, your husband, or Krauthammer privy to ANY of Obama’s fantasies much less those “involving unlimited success, power, love, or beauty”? I’ve seen plenty of examples of self-deprecation and modesty from this man.

        In other words, by the definition of you husband’s DSM IV, Bernie’s, Krauthammer’s, and your diagnosis of narcissism are unfounded and a major fail.

        • Tova Feinman

          Lets see, grandiosity: “I can calm the waters and heal the planet”. Accepting a prestigious prize like the Nobel Peace Prize without declining it or praising someone truly deserving of it. Rosa Parks dies, he rushes to get his photo taken on the bus where she famously protested. Nelson Mandela was near death and Obama rushed to get his photo taken IN MANDELA’S JAIL CELL. I could go on. Every world event becomes about him. The raid on bin-Laden. My husband and I counted the number of times Obama said “I” or “me” it was a pathological public narcissistic display. He barely ever made mention of the “we”. The Navy Seals, the support teams, etc. Like most people suffering with personality disorders, the disorders are very public and obvious to a lay person, friend, or family member. The fact that Dr. Krauthammer and my dear spouse can diagnose it through speeches, public behavior, private writings, and interpersonal interactions just seals the deal.

          • ScranunSlim

            Dr. Krauthammer diagnosed Barack O’Selfie as having “unbounded narcissism” back when O’Selfie pronounced himself the “first Pacific president.” His being born in Hawaii and visiting Japan at age 6 was supposed to trump Teddy Roosevelt opening the Panama Canal, Taft governing the Philippines and JFK and Bush41 being IN the Pacific – literally.)

          • JMax

            Um, Rosa Parks died in October 2005. which if I’m not mistaken was three years before Obama was elected president and nearly seven years before the photo of Obama on the bus was taken. Not exactly rushing things, is it?

            Of 821 Nobel laureates only six have declined the award, and four of those were due to pressure from their governments.

            Obama’s trip to sub-Saharan Africa in June included Senegal, Tanzania, and South Africa and was done to tout a new US-African initiative, not for the purpose of getting a photo op in Mandela’s jail sell. Mandela was ill at the time but there is no evidence to suggest the trip was timed around that illness.

            Your claim on the OBL announcement is pure hateful BS. He said “we” many times and gave full credit to the “intelligence and counter terrorism” teams who worked tirelessly to make the raid happen and to the SEALs who carried out the mission. Other than “I can announce”, “I made it a priority”, “I was briefed”, and “I’ve made it clear” the president said “I determined there was enough evidence” and “I authorized” the mission, the 3 or for other times were simply incidental. And this was in a nearly ten minute speech. He said “me” once as in “let me say”. You and your husband apparently have nothing better to do than count imaginary slights to the Americans who planned and carried out the mission.

            What you are apparently describing here is an uppity Negro. Much like Clint Eastwood you are speaking of a person who exists only in your mind.

          • Tova Feinman

            You are telling me you never saw the pictures of Obama on the annivesary of Rosa Parks death sitting in the bus looking oh so pensive and forlorn for the camaras? Are you serious? You never saw the photos of Obama in Mandela’s jail cell? What planet did you drop down from? You can’t see the comparison between that grandiose narsicisstic nomination speech and every action of his that followed. That acceptance speech theater would have made the NAZIs propaganda machine proud. WOW, you are so in the tank for this clinically narcisisstic man that you cannot see pathology when it stares you in the face. I have to wonder about you. You can call me hateful if it serves some psychological need in you. It doesn’t bother me. We elected someone who has a major personality disorder and the sooned we acknowledge and deal with that fact the better the country will be.I suggest that you get some counseling though for your own delusional disorder.

          • nickshaw

            The “tribute” to Neal Armstrong was my favorite.

            Skeeter pensively staring at the full moon.

          • JMax

            Yes I have seen the picture. The picture of Obama on the Rosa Parks bus was taken April 18, 2012. Parks was born February 4, 1913 and died October 24th 2005. Her famous bus protest was on December 1, 1955. None of these dates corresponds to the date the picture was taken.

            It may surprise you that as America’s first black president, he has a large constituency among African Americans and this picture isn’t about him, but about the progress that has been made since that day in 1955.

            Yes I have seen the photos of Obama on Robben Island. He was there. A picture was taken. I think if I went to South Africa and had an opportunity to make that visit, I would and would have a picture taken. Am I a narcissist?

            Grandiose nomination speech? What speech is that? More grandiose than any other nominee?

            And it didn’t take long for Godwin’s law to present itself, did it?.

            Staring me right in the face? There is not one thing you have suggested that makes a case for narcissism, clinical or otherwise.

            I have no need to call you hateful. You’ve made your own prima facie case.

            How exactly do you propose that we “deal with that fact”?

            He’s uppity.

          • JMax

            What did you think when you saw our former Commander-In-Chief strutting on the deck of an aircraft carrier with a rolled up tube sock in the crotch of his flight suit?

          • Jeff Webb

            >>What did you think when you saw our former Commander-In-Chief strutting
            on the deck of an aircraft carrier with a rolled up tube sock in the
            crotch of his flight suit?<<

            What did you think of Gerald Ford's approach to blocking & tackling when he played football for the University of Michigan?

            Anybody else care to post something irrelevant to the topic?

          • Sheila Warner

            Was Gerald Ford wearing a rolled up tube sock in his crotch while he blocked and tackled? Sorry, just couldn’t resist adding fuel to the fire. That rolled up tube sock comment was so out there that it just cracked me up with its inanity.

          • JMax

            So IOKIYAR?

          • Jeff Webb

            Not familiar, sir.

          • JMax

            It’s OK If You Are Republican.

          • Jeff Webb

            Apples to apples, if a politician does or says something wrong, I couldn’t care less which party he/she’s in.

            Done distracting now?

          • Jeff Webb

            His quote about the tides lowering/planet beginning to heal.

            Believing he’ll end up of the 5 best presidents in U.S. history.

            Inserting himself into the WH biographies of previous presidents.

            Saying troops were fighting on HIS behalf, not “our”, or America’s”, etc.

            His response to Harry Reid’s speech-related compliment: “I have a gift, Harry.”

            Regarding democrats’ concerns that HC legislation efforts would haunt them as it did in 1994, he said that the difference between then and now was “you’ve got me.”

            Regularly saying “this isn’t about me.”

            When it was pointed out to him that he got overwhelmingly good treatment by the networks, he challenged the point by mentioning the ONE network that didn’t support him.

          • JMax

            What bullshit!

            Point one: He was saying that with the results of the election, his administration would take steps to fight the effects of global warming.

            Point two: Any actual evidence that he actually said this much less that he believes it?

            Point three: This is false. No changes were made to any biographies. A “did you know” portlet has been added to the page of several presidents. BFD. This has only risen to enough importance to freak out the usual RWNJ sites.

            Point four: Obama is the Commander-In-Chief.

            Point five: What bullshit! Don’t you have a gift? Or a sense of humor?

            Point six: So fucking what?

            Point seven: See previous answer.

            Point eight: Have you listened to MSNBC lately?

            ODS.

          • Jeff Webb

            #1: I’m very aware of what his statement was about–doesn’t make the statement any less self-aggrandizing.

            #2: Forgive me–my recall on the specifics was off. It was actually his statement to Steve Kroft, referring to his first 3 years’ accomplishments, rating them above all other presidents except LBJ, FDR, & Lincoln.

            #3: Semantics. Really, going to historical bios of other presidents and favorably adding himself isn’t an example?

            #4: He is the CIC of troops who fight on the entire country’s behalf. It was a self-centered thing to say.

            #5: Doesn’t matter yes or no; he wasn’t joking around, and responding that way was utterly lacking in humility.

            #6 & 7: You mean, “so what if that’s narcissistic behavior,” right?

            #8: Doesn’t change a single thing about this example, even if MSNBC weren’t still very much pro-Obama.

          • JMax

            #1 Yes it does.

            #2 He didn’t rate himself above anybody. He said, “I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president — with the possible exceptions of Johnson, F.D.R., and Lincoln.” Who wouldn’t be proud of his accomplishments in his first two years. Health Care reform. Stimulus. And more.

            #3 He didn’t add anything to anybody’s biographies. Somebody on his communications staff added footnotes to some web pages.

            #4 This is just plain stupid.

            #5 You’ve never known a singer, painter, artist, athlete, or anybody who was good at something to claim they had a gift?

            #6 & #7 No. It’s something anybody might say.

            #8 What does this have anything to do with narcissism?

            I find it interesting that several people have commented on my posts with pretty much the same pile of extremely petty bullshit. Just say he’s uppity and get on with it.

          • Jeff Webb

            It’s downright fascinating how you practically flail in your effort to dismiss real examples of narcissistic behavior.

            It’s not unheard of for narcissists to behave in an uppity manner, but it’s not exactly a defining trait, like the sense of entitlement and exceedingly high view of oneself BO clearly has shown. You appear silly urging people to say he’s uppity.

          • JMax

            You ARE saying it, just in other words.

            If you post a picture of yourself on Facebook are you a narcissist? If you post a picture of yourself at Ronald Reagan’s grave, are you a narcissist? If your wife posts the graveside picture, are you still a narcissist?

            Was Gerald Ford clumsy? Wasn’t it interesting that Bush 43 just had to insert himself into the scene of the 9/11 rescue workers? What about this iconic image of W on 9/11? http://natgeotv.com.au/content/cache/600×600/gallery/george-w-bush-the-9-11-interview/GeorgeWBushThe911Interview_01a.jpg

            What a narcissist!

          • Jeff Webb

            Distractions, distractions, and I had no opinion on the photos.

          • JMax

            The entire “narcissism” meme is a distraction.

          • Sheila Warner

            The President was meeting with workers at Ground Zero to encourage them, and to let them know how much the nation appreciated them. That’s a whole lot different than a selfie. That’s all we’re saying. Also, Bush 43 didn’t seem to care at all what others thought about his policies. He took credit for both the good and the bad, not constantly blaming others, nor did he come across as the last one in the Administration to know anything. None of this “I found out about when you did, from the newspaper/tv/reporters.” Then he imposed a four year silence on himself for the first term of President O’s tenure. Was Bush 43 stubborn? H3ll, yes. Was he self-confident? Again, yes. But that’s so far removed from this “I don’t know”, thin-skinned President that we now have.

          • JMax

            Stubborn? Self-confident? Sounds narcissistic to me.

            What Obama was doing was to convey to Americans that the courage of a black woman to protest against having to sit at the back of the bus was the beginning of a long struggle that eventually led to the reality of a black man becoming President of the United States. A very powerful and touching picture beyond your comprehension, so it apparently offends you.

          • Sheila Warner

            Believe what you want to believe. I personally don’t care about that photo, by the way.

          • Sheila Warner

            Okay, he’s an uppity narcissist. Are you trying to drag race into this? Because he’s half white, and no one who commented on his narcissism mentioned race. Using the race card is a worn out tool of the Left. The President believes he has a mandate because he was elected twice. During his first term, he chastised John McCain, reminding him that the election was over and “I won” He berated Paul Ryan over Ryan’s conservative vision of fiscal responsibility in front of a room filled with people. He insists that “as long as I’m President” the ACA isn’t going away. Never mind that more than half the country has not wanted this law from day one. The People be d@mned–it’s full steam ahead with this monstrosity that has already hurt millions of Americans. And who can forget the police debacle in Massachusetts. when he said the police “acted stupidly” seconds after he admitted not knowing all of the facts? Good grief. Just open your eyes and ears and you will recognize his obsession with himself.

          • JMax

            Since this president hasn’t acted in a way that’s significantly different from most other presidents, and claims of narcissism are based on petty things that any other person would do, one has to wonder what is the genesis of this clear bitterness.

            Mandate: “the authority to carry out a policy or course of action, regarded as given by the electorate to a candidate or party that is victorious in an election.”

            I believe being elected president IS a mandate. Twice. It was a mandate for Bush when he was reelected.

            He didn’t berate Paul Ryan. He opposed his plan. Boo-f**king-hoo. Have you heard any of the things Ryan has said about Obama? Send in the whaambulance.

            Why would it be anything but normal for a president to insist that he would veto any attempt to repeal his signature legislative accomplishment? A large portion of the people who oppose ACA want single payer.

            Massachusetts? I’m learning that I should never be surprised by the depth of pettiness you Obama haters will reach. ODS.

          • Sheila Warner

            I doubt the Massachusetts police thought being called out as “acting stupidly” on national tv by the President of the United States wasn’t petty. As for his berating Sen Ryan, remember that those in the room were invited guests of the President, and it was supposed to be a discussion of the economy, not a lecture. But Senator Ryan is a big boy, and he took it like a man. Now, the mandate issue, I have to just laugh and laugh. Do you really think George W Bush could claim some kind of mandate when he lost the popular vote and only got into office because of the SCOTUS ruling that stopped the FL recount? It’s one thing to be happy about winning. It’s quite another to claim that it can only be my way because, after all, I won. As far as the AHA goes, the President had no mandate. The majority of Americans has always been against the law, right from day one. Ignoring the citizens and declaring “hey, I won” is hardly humble. I can see that you love the President, and that’s okay. But it’s rather disturbing to refuse to admit not one thing he has done wrong. I was fond of Ronald Reagan, but he sure was wrong on Iran-Contra. I liked Jimmy Carter, too, still do, but he was the worst President in my lifetime so far. That’s not hating him, that’s observing what happened to the nation on his watch.It’s a pity you can’t distinguish true hate from strong disagreement. Oh, and by the way, it’s President Obama, not “Obama”, if you really support him. Show some respect for the office.

          • JMax

            Sometimes people who are in the spotlight all the time say things that are ill-timed or are regretful. I suppose you’ve never said something you’ve regretted. Do you think this president is supposed to be immune from that? Does saying something he later regretted make him narcissistic?

            Again, the president did not berate Ryan. He berated his budget plan, with good cause. He wasn’t aware at the time that Ryan would be there. He admitted that it was a mistake to say what he said at that time and place. Is such an admission the act of a narcissist?

            Bush did NOT have a mandate in 2000, but he certainly claimed that he had one in 2004. ‘I earned capital in this campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it’.

            Elections have consequences. Any president who has any political vision or agenda is going to pursue that agenda because they won. Why else run for office? “I won” is a statement which means “I get to pursue my agenda. That’s why I was elected.

            I don’t “love” the president. I agree with most of his vision and his policies. I think he has done some things very well and other things not so well. i thought it was magnificent the way he stood up to the Tea Party radicals in the recent budget and debt limit fights. I think he is intelligent, earnest, articulate, a great family man, a good politician, and human. A human who certainly has admitted mistakes.

            Why was Jimmy Carter the worst president in your lifetime? What has “happened to the nation on” President Obama’s watch that warrants the picayune, petty clams of narcissism? What does that have to do with policy?

            I don’t have any problem with you disagreeing with the president on his policies or agenda. But when you make ad hominem attacks on the man it is a failure to debate and appears to be hateful.

            BTW, more people support ACA or want something more progressive (like single payer) than are against it.

            I have the utmost respect for the office and don’t need to be lectured about it.

          • Sheila Warner

            “But when you make ad hominem attacks on the man it is a failure to debate and appears to be hateful.” Observing behavior and then commenting on it is not ad hominem. The way he defends what he is doing is narcissistic in nature. That’s my opinion. There is no point in further explaining why I believe Jimmy Carter is the worst President in my lifetime. My disqus account is public. You can find my reasons there. As for what has happened on the current President’s watch now, you are a supporter of liberalism. I am not. What I see as problematic, you will not. I believe President Obama is not capable to be President, and he is in over his head. You will disagree because you see his policies as helpful; I do not. I’d love the source of your comment that, when you factor in those who want single payer, then opposition to the ACA is not the majority in this nation. As to respect for the office, you have accused me of being hateful and petty about the President. That definitely is an accusation of being disrespectful of him. That is why I let you know that you don’t usually use the title of our President. I find that disrespectful in every comment here, but I pointed it out to you because you are wrongly accusing me.

          • JMax

            “Observing behavior and then commenting on it is not ad hominem.” It’s not commenting. It’s attacking. Otherwise what’s the point? If you are discussing or debating policy and you “comment” that PRESIDENT Obama often touches his cheek when speaking and isn’t that a sign of elitism or some such, what relevance does it have to the debate?

            Every behavior you and others have pointed out as “narcissistic” has pretty simple explanations other than a personality decision and therefore are simply being collected and presented as an attack on the man rather than on his policies. IOW, an ad hominem attack.

            I was just curious about your reasons regarding PRESIDENT Jimmy Carter.

            ” I believe President Obama is not capable to be President, and he is in over his head.”

            And yet he has been elected twice and accomplished so many things that many people like. So how would that synch up with “not capable” and “over his head”.

            Here’s a source on ACA opposition:

            http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/27/poll-do-you-support-or-oppose-the-health-care-law/?hpt=hp_t2

            Note: 43% support, 16% want it MORE LIBERAL, and 35% oppose it as too liberal.

            I applaud that you desire to respect the man. I believe however that calling him narcissistic for what I think are frivolous reasons is disrespectful.

            It would be like me disrespecting President Bush because he can’t button his shirt.

            http://wizbangblog.com/images/2005/bush_shirt.jpg

          • Sheila Warner

            We will never agree. I directed you to my disqus page to see my comments about Mr Carter. I’m not going into all of that again. TTYL

          • JMax

            How do I get to your Disqus “page”? I clicked on your name to get recent posts, but it’s not easy to find your opinion on President Carter in past posts.

          • Sheila Warner

            I make hundreds of comments, so it will be work to find them. Keep scrolling.

          • SAWB69

            Why don’t you just go over to moveon.org with the rest of your loony left losers, and leave thinking people alone?

          • JMax

            And leave you to your circle jerk? Not a chance, dunce.

          • Sheila Warner

            He tweeted that picture of himself on that bus. Interesting responses followed: http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/01/barack-obama-pushes-rosa-parks-off-the-bus-photo/

          • JMax

            Those responses aren’t interesting. They are just the usual drivel of Obama haters. I’m sorry that you and your friends don’t understand nuance. I’m sorry that you can’t see the meaning of a photograph beyond what is in the picture. I’m sorry you can’t see what it conveys, only what it shows.

            Pity.

          • Sheila Warner

            I was pointing to others’ responses, and if you read the whole thing, there were Democrats included in the criticism. That’s all I was pointing out. I don’t see that particular photograph as narcissistic. I do, however, see the decision to only use official WH photographers at official events as narcissistic. The President only wants to be seen in the best possible light, which is understandable, but he has muzzled the MSM to make certain that happens. Unless you believe all of the journalists who are trying to get access are haters of the President as well?

          • JMax

            There is no way that he has muzzled the mainstream media. Was it the official WH photographer that took the infamous selfie picture in Capetown? Was it the official WH photographer that took the picture of him shaking hands with dignitaries at multiple international events? Was it the official WH photographer that took a picture of him throwing a gutter ball while bowling? One photojournalist complains about not having free access to photograph the president and all of a sudden the press is not allowed to take a picture? Nonsense.

          • Sheila Warner

            It’s nearly the entire press corp that is complaining. It has nothing to do with outings; it has to do with not being permitted to take photos at official White House events. Outside of the buildings, the President can’t stop people from taking pictures. Inside is a different matter. You don’t follow any nightly news broadcast? I heard about it on CBS. And, of course, you did not read everything I wrote.

          • JMax

            I think it’s not unusual for anyone to want to control how their image is presented if they can. From what I’ve read, this “tension” between press photogs and the White House has been going on since before PRESIDENT Obama’s time. This article is pretty good:

            http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/01/us/politics/limit-on-access-stirs-tensions-between-white-house-photographer-and-press-corps.html?_r=0

          • Sheila Warner

            The tension is higher due to five years of a virtual monopoly of photographic documentation by the WH official photographer. I don’t think it is the fault of the photographer–he was hired to do a job, and does not have any say in who else is allowed in the room. But I find it a bit surprising at the action by the WH correspondents in unifying and writing that letter. It’s not very often that the press corp is that aggressive with President Obama.

          • JMax

            In my previous post I initially put in 3 links to photos of PRESIDENT Obama taken in the White House by other than Pete Souza, the official White House photographer. You can Google it and click “images” and find them. But believe me they are there. So there is not a monopoly. That’s not to say the press corps complaint isn’t valid, but as the article I linked to said this has been going on before the Obama presidency so I don’t think you can blame it on “narcissism”.

            I’ve watched many a briefing by the Press Secretary and the press is grilling Carney like a kabob. I don’t accept that the press is giving any passes these days to the president, especially since October.

          • Sheila Warner

            Saw the photos. Don’t give a d@mn about them. I was speaking only of the press’ complaint in my comment prior to this. I left the narcissism thread because I’m not beating a dead horse. As far as the press’ access to the President, that horse is also dying. Nothing more from me about that, either.

          • nickshaw

            For the Mandala occasion he even tweeted out at photo of him entering the venue (from behind, looking up at the adoring faces of course! Even the “halo” showed up again in that photo!).

          • Tova Feinman

            I missed that one. WOW. I told my husband he’s like the “Where’s Waldo” of presidents. You never know at what location he’ll pop up next for a photo shoot.

        • SAWB69

          Well, I can certainly diagnose you with a severe case of Obamalove. I guess like Chris Matthews his every word gives you a thrill up your leg. You’re a dunce.

      • JMax

        The real affliction that we should be discussing is ODS.

    • nickshaw

      Lem’me see, inserting his name in White House biographies of former presidents.
      Having pictures taken of himself and disseminating them in White House tweets marking the deaths of figures much greater that himself. (Armstrong, Parks, Mandela for example)
      Any speech he gives wherein every time there are multiple references to himself or how what he is speechifying about affects or affected him.
      I could go on but, I don’t want to bore the rest of the people here who have a pretty good idea of what narcissism looks like.
      Skeeter pretty much personifies the term.

    • begbie

      No, just a dictionary and observation. Don’t make it any more complicated than that.

    • Fact Checker

      Even Dr. Charles Krautammer, a psychiatrist as well as commentator, has labeled Mr. Obama’s actions as narcissistic.

      • Fact Checker

        Fact checking: typo: Dr. Charles Krauthammer.

      • JMax

        Krauthammer doesn’t like Obama. Why would anything he has to say be objective?

        • sjangers

          That’s a silly argument, Jim. Others like the President. Why would anything they have to say be objective? You have to consider the argument as well as the source. Dr. K makes some very intelligent and well-reasoned arguments in support of his conclusions.

          • JMax

            The others who like the president are not attempting to diagnose the man with a personality disorder.

          • sjangers

            No. Although many do seem to be trying to diagnose him as a great President.

          • JMax

            Count me among them.

          • sjangers

            But you like President Obama, Jim. So by your own argument, shouldn’t we discount what you have to say as lacking objectivity?

          • JMax

            Of course. Haven’t you already?

            But there is a difference. Krauthammer can disagree with Obama’s policies, and that’s perfectly fine. But to “diagnose” the president from afar as a narcissist is simply an ad hominem attack which is a big fail, a sign of weakness when it comes to debate, and an indication of irrational dislike for someone he doesn’t know.

          • sjangers

            I don’t think Krauthammer has diagnosed the President with narcissism or Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I believe he has labeled his actions narcissistic. There’s a subtle but distinct difference.

            The President does display some traits or characteristics of narcissism, but then so do many of us. The question for a mental health professional considering diagnosis is whether or not there are a sufficient number of these traits present, not differentiated by other diagnoses, and whether or not they are severe and persistent enough to significantly impair the individual’s social functioning, or are sufficiently stressful to the individual, to warrant such a diagnosis. I don’t think Dr. Krauthammer would ever consider offering a professional diagnosis without seeing the subject and would certainly keep the results of an examination confidential. I’m certain he speaks as a lay person, and even in that context I don’t believe that he attempts to apply the label of narcissism. He is more likely to speak in terms of traits or characteristic of narcissism in the President’s behaviors.

            The question for us, as American citizens, is whether or not the President’s expanded sense of his own importance, arrogance, sense of entitlement, need for admiration, and lack of empathy are sufficient to impair his ability to function as our national leader. There’s certainly a fair body of evidence that suggests he has great difficulty working with others who don’t share his world view and sense of self. He appears to have enough difficulty taking responsibility for his shortcomings to interfere with his ability to function well in the give-and-take world of Washington politics. He doesn’t appear to have the respect for others and willingness to give and take necessary to be an effective consensus-builder. In short, I think his personal characteristics, some of which serve him quite admirably in his present role, also include some serious flaws that make it difficult for him to be the national leader we need today. But he is our President and we have to find a way to work with him for the best interest of the country, at least for another three years.

            As for your diagnosis, of course I dismissed it immediately,. But only because of the flippant and unsubstantiated way in which you offered it. Despite our philosophical differences, if you had said that you believe President Obama has been a great president and offered a list of reasons, with supporting evidence, for your belief, I’d have taken your assessment seriously and would have considered your arguments. Dismissing a point of view out of hand, simply because of the source, seems a rather narrow-minded way to approach life. You sometimes miss out on real opportunities to expand your perspective and your potential.

          • JMax

            “The question for us, as American citizens, is whether or not the President’s expanded sense of his own importance, arrogance, sense of
            entitlement, need for admiration, and lack of empathy are sufficient to impair his ability to function as our national leader.”

            Here’s the thing: there is no question about this because it is simply laughable to claim that the President of the United States, the leader of the most powerful country in the world, has an “expanded sense of his own importance.” It’s just absurd. What sense of entitlement? The sense that he should be treated with the respect of the office? Or the sense that since people voted him into office twice he should try to advance his policies? Where does this supposed need for admiration claim come from? How does anyone know he has such a need? People, including myself, admire him without regard for any sense of need on his part. And are we to believe that any such “need” if it exists is somehow unusual in someone who seeks high public office?

            Lack of empathy? His entire agenda is based on empathy. Or are you talking about lack of empathy in the case of the supposed berating of Paul Ryan. A lot of people on the right criticized his empathy with the family of Trayvon Martin. So which is it? No empathy or too much empathy? What about the letters he reads from Americans every evening?

            “There’s certainly a fair body of evidence that suggests he has great difficulty working with others who don’t share his world view and sense of self.”

            No there isn’t. He has met face to face with all the Republican Congressional leaders and negotiated with John Boehner in 2011 coming very close to a “grand bargain”. He’s worked with the Iranians, the Russians, the Afghans, and the Israelis just to name a few.

            “He appears to have enough difficulty taking responsibility for his shortcomings to interfere with his ability to function well in the give-and-take world of Washington politics.”

            He appears? He has been self-deprecating on many occasions and has taken the blame for many short comings. What did George W. Bush say when he was asked about any mistakes he made as president? Crickets.

            “He doesn’t appear to have the respect for others and willingness to g ive and take necessary to be an effective consensus-builder.”

            To build a consensus you have to have people who are willing to be persuaded, willing to compromise, willing to give and take, and willing to come to a consensus. Such people do not exist in the Republican caucuses of either house of Congress. Do you recall the meeting held by Republican leaders on the evening of Obama’s first inauguration?

            “serious flaws that make it difficult for him to be the national leader we need today.”

            Really? I think he is precisely what we need now. Who were you thinking would be better? Mr. “Bomb bomb Iran”? Mr. “I’ll never convince [the 47%] they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives”?

            “But he is our President and we have to find a way to work with him for the best interest of the country, at least for another three years.”

            That’s the thing. Republicans have refused to do this AT ALL for the past five years. When are they going to start?

            “if you had said that you believe President Obama has been a great president and offered a list of reasons”.

            The reasons are evident.

            Lily Leadbedder Act, 2009 Stimulus, ACA, end of Iraq War, elimination of OBL, end of DADT, repeal of restrictions to stem cell research, saving the auto industry, end of DOMA, Consumer Federal Protection, record number of illegal immigrant deportations, facing down the Tea Party radicals this past September/October, diplomatic engagement with Syria, diplomatic engagement with Iran, support of Libyan rebels, unrelenting pursuit of al Qaeda throughout the Middle East and beyond?

            What’s not to like?

          • sjangers

            As much as I’ve tried to find some common ground with your assessment of President Obama, Jim, I’m really not getting there. Those accomplishments that you believe make him a great president are, by and large, only seen as accomplishments by those with a rather narrow and extreme political perspective.

            The Lilly Ledbetter Act, ACA, end of DADT, and end of DOMA, really aren’t major accomplishments. They’re largely sops to the liberal agenda that don’t do anything meaningful, or in the case of ACA do more harm than good, for many Americans.

            You and I have already been around a bit on the 2009 stimulus, the wasteful use of at least some scarce taxpayer dollars to reward the President’s political friends, as well as the problematic cost-benefit of other expenditures at a time when many of us consider reckless deficit spending unwise.

            End of the Iraq War, while generally laudable, was scheduled to happen under Bush-era DOD planning, and there were Obama-inspired aspects of our departure that appeared arbitrary and primarily intended for his political benefit.

            Eliminating the threat of OBL was an accomplishment, although information continues to slowly leak out that suggests the President came close to blowing the opportunity, as opposed to having been uniquely suited to make something happen that other presidents might have failed to achieve.

            Repeal of restrictions on stem cell research will likely prove beneficial to many of us, although it’s something that probably would have happened eventually once science circumvented the need for morally-questionable methods of harvesting these cells.

            Saving the auto industry, as you so quaintly (and the President not too boastfully) phrased it, was largely a continuation of a Bush plan already in place. I won’t quibble about some of the elements of implementation. Generally, good for President Obama for seeing it through.

            I’m not sure what you mean by “Consumer Federal Protection”, but I suppose we can give the President that one in the interest of being even-handed.

            The “record number of illegal immigrant deportations”, assuming that is a fair representation, comes against the backdrop of executive orders making it more difficult to identify and deport those illegally in this country, so the accomplishment is, at best, schizophrenic.

            While I would ordinarily applaud a little push-back against the over-reach of the most radical conservative elements in Congress, the President really did the rest of us no favors in the tactics he used to pursue this objective. With his political opponents pursuing an unpopular strategy, the President chose to respond by passively-aggressively bringing as much inconvenience as possible to average Americans, believing this would maximize the resentment toward, and harm to, his political opponents. What a self-centered, empathy-challenged- dare I say narcissistic?- jerk!

            Diplomatic engagement with Syria, while conceptually a reasonable policy, seems to have been pursued ineptly, in a manner that will damage our relations with friends in the region and lead enemies to question our willingness to make sacrifices if they push us hard enough in pursuit of their agendas.

            Support of Libyan rebels was a policy that I generally supported. By-and-large a good policy by President Obama.

            Unrelenting pursuit of al-Qaeda is an assertion with which I might not fully agree, but for the sake of simplicity I’ll concede this has been generally good policy and another good decision by President Obama.

            At the end, I find the President has made a few good policy decisions, some of them largely his own, but the list seems pretty short for a President already well into his second term in office and with a rather lengthy list of poor policy decisions against him. Do you have any other reasons why you think President Obama has been a great president?

            I won’t get too deeply into the rest of your post, although I am tempted! I’ll just refer you to a few sources and brief facts that mitigate in favor of an assessment of President Obama exhibiting behaviors that are characteristic of narcissism.

            First, I’ll refer you to a June 2012 opinion piece by Jordan Rickards at RedState titled “Barack Obama’s 20 Most Impossibly Self-Absorbed Moments”. I remember many of them. I don’t know if Disqus or this website will allow me to offer a link, so I’ll just direct you to redstate dot com and offer the date, name of the author, and title of the piece. You shouldn’t have any trouble finding it from there.

            Second, I’ll refer you to Robert Bowie Johnson and the Solving Light blog. He posts a piece titled “Obama’s Narcissism” that it kind of revealing. This column originally appeared in the American Thinker, but you can find it by linking to solvinglight dot com slash blog slash obamas-narcissism.

            Third is an August 2012 piece by Erin Brown at RedAlertPolitics that rather flamboyantly says “Obama Is The Most Self-Absorbed Man In The World”. The link is a bit complicated, but you should be able to find it easily enough at redalertpolitics dot com.

            There’s more if you’re interested. A 2013 Selwyn Duke piece at americanthinker dot com called “The Obama Purchase”.

            Bob Woodward’s contention that the recent budget agreement was made possible because President Obama wasn’t personally involved in the negotiating process.

            Peggy Noonan’s assertion that she hears from sources that many current White House staff refer to the President as “Obam-Me”.

            California Democrat Rep. Dennis Cardoza’s claim that President Obama projects an arrogant “I’m right,
            you’re wrong” demeanor that alienates many allies.

            Even Chris Matthews says that the President is too aloof and unwilling to connect with Congressmen. “You won’t believe the stories I hear”, Matthews claims.

            The President referenced himself more often that Nelson Mandela during his recent tribute to the South African leader. He also made more references to himself than all other parties involved when informing the American people of the elimination of Osama bin Laden.

            That’s a small package of information that leads me to make some of the assertions I made in my previous post, Jim. Opinions can differ, but I don’t offer lightly my assessment of President Obama’s personality, I offer it honestly, and, believe it or not, I don’t offer it with any pleasure. I think we made an unfortunate choice when we elected him to be our president. Now we need to find a way to work with him, and work around his deficiencies, in order to meet the challenges that we will face in the next three years.

          • JMax

            “only seen as accomplishments by those with a rather narrow and extreme political perspective.”

            I would turn that around on you and say that those who DON’T see these as accomplishments have a narrow and extreme political perspective.

            I am neither narrow nor extreme in my political perspective. I read and watch numerous political news sources and have a pretty long lifetime of
            observation under my belt.

            ACA is a HUGE accomplishment, not only in the positive impact on the country and the future but in the raw political success of getting it passed. To say it’s not is like saying Social Security was not a huge accomplishment, or Medicare, or the Civil Rights Act.

            Ending DADT and DOMA my be sops in the way that
            restricting stem cell research or the Hyde amendment, or abstinence only policies are sops.

            The truth about ACA may be several years down
            the road. More people think it is the right direction than don’t. There is no evidence yet that more people are being “harmed” by ACA than those who are benefiting who didn’t before.

            The stimulus was effective according to a consensus of economists. It may not have been perfectly executed, but there is not doubt that the economy started improving immediately. Remember too, 40% of the Stimulus was tax breaks.

            “information continues to slowly leak out that suggests the President came close to blowing the opportunity”,

            What information and how did he come close to blowing it?

            “as opposed to having been uniquely suited to make something happen that other presidents might
            have failed to achieve.” Nobody said he was uniquely suited. However, he did get it done while Bush spent 7.5 years not getting it done. Nancy
            Drew might have gotten it done, but it was still an accomplishment that happened in part because the president made a risky and decisive judgement.

            “executive orders making it more difficult to identify and deport those illegally in this country”

            What executive orders would those be?

            “President chose to respond by passively-aggressively”

            Sorry, I don’t accept that characterization. The government shutdown was just that. There is no evidence whatsoever that the president chose what services to stop while others continued. Did it inconvenience some people? Well, I guess government DOES do some good things, doesn’t it?

            “seems to have been pursued ineptly”. By whom? By what measure? The results are a destruction of Syrian chemical weapons without military intervention.

            “but the list seems pretty short for a President already well into his second term in office”

            And what part did Republicans play in helping the country?

            “lengthy list of poor policy decisions against him”

            Please list these poor policy decisions.

            I’m not going to spend much of any time addressing this very silly narcissism meme. It’s bogus for the most part and irrelevant anyway.

            But a few comments: I am not interested in an analysis from Red State, but just because, I glanced at it. Got through 10 and said “pfftt!”

            “Bob Woodward’s contention that the recent budget agreement was made possible because President Obama wasn’t personally involved in the negotiating process.”

            Meaning what?

            I don’t care one whit about anything Peggy Noonan has to say about anything. I’ve listened and read her. Not worth any more time.

            I’m sure your opinion is honestly presented and sincere. I simply am not interested in anything about narcissism. If you or anybody else wants to debate policy, I’m all for it. If you want to say he doesn’t play well with others, say so, but don’t attribute it to “narcissism”.

            “Now we need to find a way to work with him”.

            Now? Imagine if Republicans had been willing to work with him for the past 5 years.

          • Sheila Warner

            Liked your comment. A couple of observations by me:

            I believe JMax was referring to Elizabeth Warren’s stint at the newly formed Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, where she was the head from 2010-11.

            If Lilly Ledbetter was passed, why is Nancy Pelosi still complaining about pay inequality for women?

            The President did not end DOMA. The Supreme Court narrowly struck down only a portion of it.

            Leaving Iraq: VP Joe Biden was unsuccessful at obtaining a status of forces agreement. Iraq is a real mess right now, with increased sectarian violence.

            Syrain diplomacy: The President was trying to drum up support for a military strike. It was an offhand comment by Sec of State Kerry, in a sarcastic manner, by the way, that led to the current “diplomacy.” Russia is the responsible nation for the dismantling of WMD.

            Support for Libyan rebels: I disagreed with that. We didn’t know who the rebels really were. Removing Ghadaffi only gave a foothold to the terrorists who attacked our consulate.

            I do agree that the President’s policy on drone attacks was a success. Of course, he seems to want to back off of that policy now.

            Just my own observations. As I said, I liked your comment.

          • sjangers

            Thanks, Sheila. I had no idea what Jim was referencing with “Consumer Federal Protection”. If I had realized it was something that involved Fauxcahontas, I wouldn’t have been so quick to give the President a thumbs-up on that “accomplishment”.

            I generally agree with your assessments of those Obama policies that Jim likes. I did favor support for the Libyan rebels, despite some uncertainty about exactly who we were supporting, only because the policy did help remove a serious bad actor from the world stage. Aside from that, I appreciate the way you are able to concisely sum up some of the difficulties with policies that Jim and I were discussing.

          • Sheila Warner

            No, they aren’t. But they are enabling him to continue in his worldview that he is the best, the brightest, the most capable, and the only one who really REALLY cares about the poor and middle class. Narcissism abounds with this man. He is so thin skinned whenever a valid question arises when a policy is not working, or a crisis occurs. It’s never his fault. He is the Blamer In Chief.

          • JMax

            But none of what you just wrote is supported by any evidence whatsoever. Only conjecture born of hate.

          • Sheila Warner

            My opinion is based on listening to the President speak. I guess we hear him differently. And, of course, if I feel that way, I must automatically hate the man, right? That’s the fallback for liberals–you either hate the President or you are a racist. If you follow me at all, you will notice that I always address the President with respect. I never refer to him simply by his last name; he is either Mr President, President Obama, or Mr Obama. I don’t do that all the time with President Bush, because there are two of them. So, it’s often Bush 41 or Bush 43. I am always respectful of the Office of the President, no matter how much I might disagree with the man. There was plenty about President W that I thoroughly disliked, but I still speak of him with the respect he deserves. Go find someone else to try your hate line on. You will not find it in my writings.

        • Jeff Webb

          Krauthammer doesn’t support Obama, true. But that doesn’t make his assessment wrong, and certainly doesn’t make you objective by comparison.

    • sjangers

      It would be professionally irresponsible to put anyone on a diagnosis without first conducting a thorough personal examination. But Bernie isn’t a mental health professional, Jim. And based on more than five years of rather comprehensive observation, I’d say that narcissist is a pretty reasonable description for this president, in layman’s terms.

      • JMax

        No it isn’t. Every example that Bernie has provided as well as those by others here can easily be explained as not having anything to do with narcissism, clinical or otherwise.

        There is a phrase that comes to mind for what Bernie and many of the people here are trying to convey.

        • sjangers

          Not to conflate the two definitions, Jim, but alternate explanations for behaviors and personal characteristics are also a critical part of the diagnosis for Narcissistic Personality Disorder; that and the requirement that the observed symptoms be “inflexible, maladaptive, and persisting and cause significant functional impairment or subjective distress”. But the difference between a clinical diagnosis- a scientific process- and a subjective characterization is fairly broad. Personally, based on extensive observation of the man on television, reading extensive accounts of the man and his behavior that go as far back as his early adulthood, and a few limited discussions with individuals who have interacted directly with him, I think it’s fair to say that Barack Obama exhibits behaviors that are characteristic of narcissism (small “n”). Others, such as yourself, are free to disagree.

          • JMax

            And I certainly do. I’m sure I have observed the man at least as much as you. I find nothing in particular that he has said or done even fits the descriptions posted here, much less add up to a diagnosable disorder, clinical or casual.

          • sjangers

            I doubt there would ever be a clinical diagnosis, Jim, because of the social impact requirements of such. But from a purely personal perspective, I’ve had many subjective reactions to the President’s words and behaviors that have left a clear impression of someone with at least an unhealthy need for others’ adulation, a pretty high degree of self-aggrandizement, and limited empathy. And those impressions have been supported by further research as noted in my previous post.

            That doesn’t mean that I’m right and you’re wrong. But I do have a careful and. I believe, fairly objective reaction that leads me to conclude that many of President Obama’s behaviors are characteristic of narcissism.

        • ScranunSlim

          JMax — Barack O’Selfie once pronounced himself “the
          first Pacific president,” and K-hammer nailed it with his diagnosis of “unbounded narcissism” that ignored Teddy Roosevelt opening the Panama Canal, Taft governing the Philippines and JFK and Bush41 being IN the Pacific – literally. But O’Selfie thought his being born in Hawaii and visiting Japan at age 6 trumped all of that.

          • JMax

            ScrotumSlim,

            Of course K-hammer can interpret something the president said into something he didn’t really say. It may have escaped your attention that Washington was the first Virginia President or that John Adams was the first Massachusetts president or that Nixon was the first California president. The president was born in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. What he said means nothing more than that.

            As AP said, “He reached out to locals through several personal notes that delighted his audience, including calling himself “America’s first Pacific president,” referring to his boyhood time in Indonesia and travels in Asia”. Wow! A personal anecdote. What a narcissist!

            ODS.

          • ScranunSlim

            What a tortuous, pointless defense of Barack O’ Selfie from the only rube in the country still shillin’ fo’ Brother Hope’s Travlun Salvayshun Show?. My MECHANIC saw through our prezidunce with almost the same word-for-word assessment of him as Krauthammer: “He’s has never run a lemonade stand.”

          • ScranunSlim

            What a tortuous, pointless defense of Barack O’ Selfie from the only rube in the country still shillin’ fo’ Brother Hope’s Travlun Salvayshun Show?. My MECHANIC saw through our prezidunce with almost the same word-for-word assessment of him as Krauthammer: “He’s never run a lemonade stand.”

          • JMax

            We should all defer to your mechanic. Krauthammer’s assessment is just as good.

          • ScranunSlim

            Speakin’ of mechanics — they just towed your pink Prius. Sorry it wasn’t the babe magnet you were countin’ on

          • JMax

            My car is a Camry Hybrid, bronze and parked in my driveway. I’m in no need of a “babe magnet”.

        • Jeff Webb

          >>There is a phrase that comes to mind for what Bernie and many of the people here are trying to convey.<<

          What phrase?

          • JMax

            Uppity Negro.

          • Jeff Webb

            Race card loses the debate for you–congrats.

            Overall you are a good guy to have around, so I’ll treat this part of your argument as an assumption about people other than me.

          • JMax

            There is no other explanation for the pettiness of these claims.

            Glad to know that someone thinks of me other than a troll.

      • Sheila Warner

        You don’t need a medical diagnosis, or even a definition of the word in Webster’s Dictionary. Just look at your own life. I’m sure we’ve all met that man, the one who tries to dominate and push through his own plan on the job, the one who takes credit for others’ performances, the one who talks incessantly about himself at parties. He’s the one who is the brightest, the best dressed, the best looking man ever to walk the planet. There’s your narcissist. President Obama uses lofty rhetoric to build himself up, takes a selfie while on the world’s stage, constantly reminding everyone that he has a mandate because he won, and is the only person who not only cares about everyone, but has the best plans to help them all. Narcissist. Case closed.

    • floridahank

      Read any introductory psychology book on personality disorder and you’ll get a great diagnosis of Obama’s many problems – don’t need a psychiatrist to evaluate him.

  • John Colburn

    I went to Politifact, but while that is true not everything on that page is totally to conservatives liking as you go down the page. Obama does somewhat better on the promises kept department with 45% kept and 6% in the works. Another 25% were compromises. But I would urge all from time to scan that page.

    • nickshaw

      Uh, excuse me but, when Politifact first rated the “IYLYHIYCKI” they said it was “mostly true”.
      Now, about the 45% currently rated as true…..

    • begbie

      I don’t need Politifact to help me determine who’s lying and who’s not.

    • http://TrochilusTales.blogspot.com Trochilus

      Gee, @JohnColburn, too bad you were unable to convey your thoughts to Bernie before he posted this column. Your risible attempt to change the subject (from the glaring fact that the President repeatedly lied to the American people) is no more convincing than all of the weak defenses trotted out on his “behalf” by toadies like Valerie Jarrett and Harry Reid, which Bernie pointed out above.

      But had you somehow done so before he wrote this, Bernie could have correctly categorized your sentiments as a pathetic attempt to change the subject, and consequently recommended you for a noteworthy award as well.

      I’d personally recommend you for the “Red Herring of the Year Award” or at the very least, the “Red Herring of this Comment Thread Award”.

      Congrats!

      • John Colburn

        What am I trying to change the subject from and to? I acknowledged that Bernie was correct but merely widened the scope a bit to the rest of PolitiFact as a source of information or opinion. In other words taking a broader view.

        • keith hart

          John, you’re attempting to minimize the salient (prominent, conspicuous) by pointing to the ancillary. A form of misdirection.
          Well, Mrs. Lincoln other than that, How did you like the play.

          I hope I don’t have to explain why the sky is blue..

          • John Colburn

            Ok lesson learned here; don’t try to look at the whole picture. You don’t have to explain why the sky is blue, because, at least in your mind, Keith Hart is clearly more intelligent than John Colburn and I probably wouldn’t understand anyway.

          • keith hart

            John, you were ok — wrong, but ok — until you said, ” What am I trying to change the subject from and to?”

            That kind of Alan Colmes style coy disingenuity — just really burns my toast.

            Sorry, about the blue sky cheap shot.

          • John Colburn

            Apology accepted, but we’re going to disagree on the change of subject idea. I really think I was expanding it rather than changing it, but we each see it differently.

          • keith hart

            Yes. We do.

          • http://TrochilusTales.blogspot.com Trochilus

            Hey, John, what ever happened to:

            I’m not carrying on this conversation any more so don’t be surprised if you don’t hear from me after this.

            I was certain we’d be hearing from you again, and in this thread! Just can’t help yourself!

            Now as for your latest comment, you think it is “expanding” by bring up the irrelevant?

            Look, if you really wanted to expand the discussion, you could have suggested a discussion about how many times in the past Mr. Obama has blatantly lied to the American public. That would have been a legitimate expansion because it would have added legitimate, relevant perspective, via a course of conduct.

            That would have been an expansion of the discussion but as I pointed out above, Drew Page did a good job of preempting that possibility.

            But what you attempted to “introduce” was a diversion —

            “Hey, is that Elvis?” “Squirrel!” “Red Herring.”

        • http://TrochilusTales.blogspot.com Trochilus

          Look, John, I don’t know what is in your head, nor do I care to know. You obviously want to be an apologist for Barack Obama, and that is your business, foolish though it may be.

          But what was very clear from your first comment, was that it was a lame attempt to sidetrack the conversation by urging people to go back and closely examine the rest of what is posted at PolitiFact.

          Hence, my response to you.

          You see, the topic of discussion here is focused on the fact that the President of the United States has been exposed as a serial liar via numerous strikingly similar and false statements that he made to the people of this country about the ACA legislation he was seeking, and as a defense to the horrific aspects of that legislation following its passage and subsequent enactment when he signed it.

          Now, I could also address a string of other public lies that Mr. Obama has told us over the course of the past several years, and that would certainly be much more pertinent to the subject at hand — as reinforcement for the proposition that he is obviously willing to intentionally mislead the public by making public statement things that are simply not true.

          But there is no need for me to do so, as commenter Drew Page has already done a splendid job in that regard with his comment, posted a few comments below this one.

          • John Colburn

            Ok there isn’t enough mutual respect for this conversation to go on so I’m just throwing in the towel and you can victory if you want to. I’m not carrying on this conversation any more so don’t be surprised if you don’t hear from me after this.

  • Alex Baker

    How about:
    -The average family will save $2500
    -If you make less than $200,000, your taxes will not be raised. (Thanks to traitor John Roberts we know ObamaCare is a tax)
    -This will be the most transparent administration in history
    -All legislation will be posted on the internet before voting takes place
    -Any bill that adds to the deficit will not be signed (I think he said something like this)
    -We will go through the government to find waste and abuse – and will go after it

    • JMax

      Obamacare is NOT a tax. The penalty for non-compliance IS a tax according to the CJ.

      • nickshaw

        Perhaps but, do you deny that ObamaKare is, indeed, chock full of taxes?

        • JMax

          Yes, there are taxes in it. I assume you are against deficits.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>Yes, there are taxes in it. I assume you are against deficits.<<

            Nice of you to correct Alex, but his point was BO raised taxes after repeatedly swearing he wouldn't. I assume you are against presidents breaking very key promises.

          • JMax

            He didn’t swear he wouldn’t. He said for the majority of people taxes wouldn’t go up. And this penalty tax will only apply to a small minority of people who choose to be free riders.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>And this penalty tax will only apply to a small minority of people who choose to be free riders.<<

            There was exactly ONE qualification in Obama's no-tax claim: only people at or above the 200/250 level would experience the increases. NOBODY ELSE. This is not in dispute, and neither is the fact that other taxes (such as the device tax) will be felt by the people promised otherwise.

            Bad assumption on my part–apparently it's not a big deal to you when presidents breaking key promises.

          • JMax

            The device tax is 3.5%. An artificial hip costs $350. Tax on that is $12.25. Average cost of a hip replacement is about $35,000. Is the $12.25 going to keep someone from having a hip replacement?

          • Jeff Webb

            Fascinating, but Obama’s pants are still on fire. Do you think this justifies his lies & broken promises?

          • JMax

            From Politifact.com:

            “In 2009 and again in 2012, PolitiFact rated Obama’s statement Half True, which means the statement is partially correct and partially wrong. We noted that while the law took pains to leave some parts of the insurance market alone, people were not guaranteed to keep insurance through thick and thin. It was likely that some private insurers would continue to force people to switch plans, and that trend might even accelerate.”

            My opinion is that what Obama was trying to convey was that nobody would be forced by the government to give up their health insurance plan or doctor and have to obtain a government health care policy and a government doctor. That’s not exactly what he said, but he meant that there is no such thing as an Obamacare health insurance plan with an Obamacare payer or Obamacare doctor.

            Which is true.

          • Jeff Webb

            You’re making a convenient interpretation; I’m actually listening to an unequivocal statement made many, many times by someone known for his communication skills.

            He’s a liar, plain and simple.

          • JMax

            Well, that’s a convenient interpretation.

          • Jeff Webb