NYT: At It Again

I try not to read the opinion pages of the New York Times because when I do I come away from the experience feeling lousy. I remember when the Times was a great newspaper, when the columnists, whose politics I may not have agreed with, were smart and made me think.

The other day I did what I should not have done and came upon perhaps the shallowest piece I have ever read in the Times.  Given how the paper has been in decline in recent decades, that’s saying a lot.

The op-ed was by the Times’ own Brent Staples, a black man who sees the world through a prism of race.  The headline over the piece read:  “Young, Black Male, And Stalked by Bias.”

Here’s how it began:  “The door to the subway train slides open, revealing three tall, young black men, crowding the entrance, with hooded sweatshirts pulled up over downward-turned faces; boxer shorts billowing out of over-large, low-slung jeans; and sneakers with the laces untied.

“Your response to the look – and to this trio on the subway – depends in part on the context, like the time of day, but especially how you feel young, male blackness.”

Actually, that’s not true.  My response to the look doesn’t depend on how I feel about black teenagers.  It depends on how I feel about anybody who looks like a thug.  Besides, given the epidemic of black-on-black crime, a black kid getting on the train would also be worried if the door slides open and he sees three young black kids in saggy pants and hoodies.  But let’s give Mr. Staples the benefit of the doubt.  Let’s assume white people do have a built in concern when we see black teenagers on the street late at night, or on the subway.  Why don’t we have that same concern – fear is the more precise word – when we see a bunch of young Hassidic Jews hanging around?  Could it be because there aren’t a lot of violent Hassidic Jews out there — and there are a disproportionate number of black kids involved in street crime?

“If it unsettles you – as it does many people – you never get beyond the first impression,” the column goes on.  “But those of us who are not reflexively uncomfortable with blackness can discern the clues and tell who these kids are.  They may be tall, but their hormonally pockmarked faces, narrow hips and the cartoon-patterned underwear show that they are probably 15 years old, at most.  The grimy black book bags, barely visible against the black hoodies, make them students on the way to school.”

Oops, I didn’t notice the “barely visible” book bags.  And, geez, it never occurred to me that since they were probably only 15 years old, they couldn’t possibly be up to no good.  Guess I’m just a white bigot.

That’s not sarcasm.  It’s Staples’ main point –that if black kids make you feel uncomfortable you must be a racist, even if you don’t know it.  Does Staples understand that wearing your pants with your underwear showing is how black kids pay homage to black criminals?  In prison you’re not allowed to wear a belt. That’s why their pants are falling down and their underwear is showing.

“Very few Americans make a conscious decision to subscribe to racist views,” Staples graciously tells us, before getting to the mandatory “but …”  “But the toxic connotations that the culture has associated with blackness have been embedded in thought, language and social convention for hundreds of years.  This makes it easy for people to see the world through a profoundly bigoted lens without being aware that they are doing so.”

For a writer, Staples is profoundly devoid of introspection.  Yes, some people “see the world through a profoundly bigoted lens” and don’t know it – and Brent Staples apparently is one of them.

Imagine if the door to the subway train slides open and we see, not three black teenagers in faux prison garb, but three young nuns, all black.  Or we see three young black men in suits and ties.  Or, somehow, we see Kobe, LaBron and Carmello riding the subway.  No one would feel threatened by their “blackness.”  We feel threatened by the three kids with hoodies and drooping pants not because we’re racists, but because we’re realists: they look like criminals.

Brent Staples fancies himself an expert on race because he’s black.  This is why he feels safe in writing nonsense like this:  “Society’s message to black boys – ‘we fear you and view you as dangerous’ – is constantly reinforced.  Boys who are seduced by this version of themselves end up on a fast track to prison and the graveyard.”

So whitey is not only a bigot, conscious or otherwise, but is also responsible for turning good black kids into gangsters simply because they are “seduced” by the image bigoted white people have of  them. If only we saw them in a different light – a better, less bigoted light – they would have turned out to be productive citizens.  That’s called wishful thinking.

The reason so many people – black and white – “fear you and view you as dangerous” is because a disproportionate number of young black kids either are dangerous or, at absolute least, just like to look that way, to frighten anyone they can.  If the majority of black kids who don’t commit crimes get tainted by the others, is that really the result of racism — or are we just calculating the odds and arriving at not-so-unreasonable conclusions?

But why is Brent Staples devoting a column to this subject at this particular time?  Trayvon Martin, that’s why.  “By the time he went on neighborhood watch patrol with his 9-millimeter piston and spied Trayvon Martin, Mr. Zimmerman saw not a teenager with candy, but a collection of preconceptions:  the black as burglar, the black as drug addict, the black ‘up to no good.’ And he was determined not to let this one get away.”

On this point, Roger Kimball, who writes at PJ Media, takes Staples’ column and runs it through the shredder:

“Question: how does Brent Staples know what George Zimmerman saw or thought? He doesn’t. He is just making it up.  And the more we know about the shooting of Trayvon Martin, the murkier the episode seems. The man whom the Times branded a “white Hispanic” turns out to have been a conscientious good citizen who donated much time to public good works, including tutoring young black kids for free. In his hysterical campaign against the sin of un- or semi-conscious racism, Brent Staples liberally deploys insidious racialism to make a scapegoat of a man he knows nothing about. ‘Young, Black, Male, and Stalked by Bias’ is all of a piece with the Times’s other reporting on race: whites are guilty until proven innocent, at which point they are still guilty of being white, but blacks get every benefit of every doubt, up to and including being employed by the paper’s editorial page not for merit but for skin color. It’s a case of the not-so-soft bigotry of racialist expectations. Brent Staples is indeed ‘stalked by bias,’ but it turns out that it’s his own bias, underwritten partly by reflexive racialism, partly by stupidity.”

What Brent Staples doesn’t seem to understand is that it isn’t white racism that is stalking young black men.  It’s black dysfunction.  It’s 15-year old girls having babies without ever having husbands.  It’s men who are fathers, but only biologically.  In the entire recorded history of our planet, there has never been a greater voluntary abandonment of children than there is now by black men in America. More than 70 percent of black kids grow up without fathers in the house.

It’s a short but all to predicable leap from fatherlessness to hoodies and baggie pants and menacing demeanors and worse.  That’s what Brent Staples ought to be worried about.

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  • veritas

    You and O’Reilly “harp” on the “out of control media every time you are on. The 24/7 Cable so-called “news media ” lives and breathes this stuff.  Just tonight, O’Reilly had to put on his telecast 3 minutes from the internet the Ashley Judd video, which will then be picked up by the main sream news, which will then be picked up by the print news. In times past stuff like that would have been ignored.
    You whine because you can’t get air time one the major networks anymore.  they want pretty or young and handsome newsreaders.
    O’Reilly is biased (and at times) out of control. Fox carrys water for the Right and is not answerable to anyone since it is cable, and it comes in a package, that subscribers have no say in.

    • Michael

      “Fox carrys water for the Right and is not answerable to anyone since it is cable, and it comes in a package, that subscribers have no say in.”

      Fox consistently draws a large segment of viewers who identify themselves as Democrat or Independent.  As for carrying water for the Right . . . you must not read the criticism of Fox by people on the right. 

      Fox is as “answerable to anyone” as any other cable program, and that means that if it doesn’t draw viewers, then it doesn’t draw advertisers.  If it’s not drawing viewers and advertisers, then it will not be an asset for the cable and satellite companies, and they will not include it in their packages.  Or, they will promote channels with larger audiences.  The reason Fox and other top-rated channels are included in packages is the same reason shopping malls try to make sure they have a Gap or Old Navy or Macy’s or certain other stores – to attract customers.  A cable package with Fox News can have a dozen less-popular channels and still sell. 

      It’s simple customer-demand and capitalism at work. 

      As for whether O’Reilly is biased . . . he probably is, in some ways, just like we all are, and he does not pretend to be personally unbiased.  What he offers – sometimes to the point of driving me nuts – is a balanced presentation of issues.  I happen to be one of the people who thinks he gives far too much airtime to the idiots on the Left. 

      So, there you have it:  A difference of opinion, based on our biases.  But based on the numbers that O’Reilly consistently draws, I’d say I’ve got it right (no pun intended). 

    • Drew Page

      If Fox carries water for the Right, the main stream media is the Left’s Nile River.   NBC ought to change its call letters to DNC.

  • ABridgeInConcord

    For the sake of argument, if Zimmerman had a gun, and was prepared to use it, pointed at Martin, how did Zimmerman get the cuts on the back of his head?  I have no idea as to just what actually happened that evening, but I do have questions.  People have walked out the door of police stations with far less to backup their claims of self defense than Zimmerman seems to have, but I can just about guarentee you, if he is acquitted in state court, there will be federal charges to follow.

    • Drew Page

      That’s because Eric Holder has no voter intimidation cases to prosecute.

  • Pat

    You can bet Staples has chosen to live in a white neighborhood.

  • David Wilson

    Bernie,

    GREAT Article! Very well written (as usual) and the logic of your arguments is solid.
    It is nice to have you expose “the elephant in the room” regarding the real issues that are blamed on racism.

    Dave

  • Phil

    Excellent piece, Bernie. Sadly, I think this is the way it’s going to be with race relations for the forseeable future. The more I see, especially from media coverage and the way the mass public responds to it, I think the whole notion of a colorblind society is a pipe dream that can’t come true. Sad.

  • David Govett

    The simple, unvarnished fact is that white Americans hear only about violent blacks, so they fear all blacks. One hates what one fears.
    This is human nature.

    • Drew Page

      And what generates the fear?  If your argument were valid, it would work both ways.  Do blacks only hear of violent whites and therefore hate all of them?   Are black people are fearful of walking into public places primarily filled with whites?   My guess is that they are not.    

  • Mmf777

    I live in the northern burbs of Chicago, about 2 miles from the Chicago Bulls headquarters. We don’t have many blacks living here other than Chicago Bulls. Even late at night, we aren’t scared of a group of very tall black men. On the other hand, if I saw a bunch of black teens dressed as Mr. Staples described them, and very late at night, I’d be scared out of my mind!

  • Terry Walbert

    There was a time when what Mr. Staples writes was in vogue, even among many NY Times readers.  That was 1970, and Mr. Staples is 42 late with his column. 

  • EddieD_Boston

    Wow. I didn’t know Ted Nugent writes for the NYT.

    Seriously Wil, that’s all you could come up with?

    • EddieD_Boston

      Ooops. This was actually a response to Wil’s foolish post.

  • FloridaJim

    Jesse Jackson himself said ” I cross to the other side of the street at night when I see several young blacks together because I don’t feel safe.” Mr Political Correctness himself doesn’t feel safe, imagine. Is that racist? Profiling? Or smart?

    • Drew Page

      I heard Jesse Jackson make that comment during a TV interview.  He would cross to the other side of the street for the same reason I would.   Why take a chance?

  • soundnfury

    I’ve come to the place where accusations of “racism” mean nothing anymore. All the usual suspects like Jesse, Al, et al, have overplayed this card from the bottom of the deck hundreds of times too many.

    From now on, I’m going to respond to their accusations by saying; “So you need me to be your racist, Jesse? Ok, I’ll be your racist. Now, what’s your point?”

    Once they see that I no longer fear their accusations, they lose all power over me.

  • Carl

    I have never, NEVER, read an article that so completely captures what the vast majority of white people feel in this country on this issue. Most of us are just too afraid of the backlash to say it out loud. Well done.

  • Roadmaster

    I was at the local air force base the other day, buying some of their cheaper gas, and a young black man pulled up to the pump adjacent.  He was no doubt an airmen, off-duty and dressed in “civies” which consisted of backwards baseball cap, diamond ear studs, dark shades, XXXXL T-shirt, huge, baggy shorts sagging around his skinny ankles and his ensemble was completed with expensive, untied sneakers. 

    I felt no apprehension, only disgust.  Here is a young man, undoubtedly proud to serve his country yet he goes out in public looking like a thug hoodlum.  I’ll bet his momma is so proud!  His commander, too.

    For years I’ve almost prayed for these stupid clothing fads (and Hip Hop) would just fade away into oblivion, but alas, people would rather be thought of as wise asses, instead of wise.   These little gangsta wannbes may think they’re intimidating, but they’d better figure out many of us pack some pretty big heat and can hit what we’re aiming at without having to turn the gun sideways (another STUPID fad).

  • Kevin

    “There is nothing more painful to me … than to walk
    down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery,
    then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved” — Jesse Jackson

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGT5LFXDWHPKRWLSI2WPBXIGXE Wil

    Bernie, Ted Nugent said: “If you want more of those kinds of evil
    anti-American people in the Supreme Court, then don’t get involved and let Obama
    take office again. Because I’ll tell you this right now: if Barack Obama becomes
    the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time
    next year.” He also
     told
    the audience members that if they could not “clean house in this vile, evil
    America-hating administration, I don’t even know what you’re made out of.” How
    about an article about Ted Nugent? Yjis also, was a NYT story!

    • 1LonesomeDove1

      You want a list of hate speech from the left? You really want to play this game?

      “…In an ideal world, American consumers could be convinced to do the right thing through an appeal to logic with public service messages like the ‘What Would Jesus Drive?’ TV campaign, but the kind of people who would buy a car that increases the risk to other motorists in an accident can’t be reasoned with. They’re selfish and stupid. It’s unfortunate that drivers must worry that their SUVs are being targeted by insulting stickers and Molotov cocktails, but one thing’s for sure: It couldn’t be happening to a more deserving group of people.” — Ted Rall winks at ecoterrorism

      “F*** God D*mned Joe the God D*mned Motherf*cking plumber! I want Motherf*cking Joe the plumber dead.”
      – Liberal talk show host Charles Karel Bouley on the air.

      “Republicans don’t believe in the imagination, partly because so few of them have one, but mostly because it gets in the way of their chosen work, which is to destroy the human race and the planet. Human beings, who have imaginations, can see a recipe for disaster in the making; Republicans, whose goal in life is to profit from disaster and who don’t give a hoot about human beings, either can’t or won’t. Which is why I personally think they should be exterminated before they cause any more harm.”
      — The Village Voice’s Michael Feingold, in a theater review of all places

      (Rush Limbaugh)” just wants the country to fail. To me that’s treason. He’s not saying anything different than what Osama Bin Laden is saying. You might want to look into this, sir, because I think Rush Limbaugh was the 20th hijacker but he was just so strung out on Oxycontin he missed his flight. … Rush Limbaugh, I hope the country fails, I hope his kidneys fail, how about that?”
      – Wanda Sykes

      “You guys see Live and Let Die, the great Bond film with Yaphet Kotto as the bad guy, Mr. Big? In the end they jam a big CO2 pellet in his face and he blew up. I have to tell you, Rush Limbaugh is looking more and more like Mr. Big, and at some point somebody’s going to jam a CO2 pellet into his head and he’s going to explode like a giant blimp. That day may come. Not yet. But we’ll be there to watch. I think he’s Mr. Big, I think Yaphet Kotto. Are you watching, Rush?”
      – Chris Matthews

      “I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn’t be dying needlessly tomorrow….I’m just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That’s a fact.”
      — Bill Maher

      “If I got (Condi Rice) a— on camera, I would put my Mars Air Jordans so far up her butt that the Mayo Clinic would have to remove them.”
      — Spike Lee

      “For those of you who do, as a matter of principle, oppose war in any form, the idea of supporting a conscientious objector who’s already been inducted [and] in his combat service in Iraq might have a certain appeal. But let me ask you this: Would you render the same support to someone who hadn’t conscientiously objected, but rather instead rolled a grenade under their line officer in order to neutralize the combat capacity of their unit?” — University Professor Ward Churhill on supporting soldiers who frag their officers

      “Drudge? Aw, Drudge, somebody ought to wrap a strong Republican entrail around his neck and hoist him up about six feet in the air and watch him bounce.”
      – Liberal radio host, Mike Malloy

      “I know how the ‘tea party’ people feel, the anger, venom and bile that many of them showed during the recent House vote on health-care reform. I know because I want to spit on them, take one of their ‘Obama Plan White Slavery’ signs and knock every racist and homophobic tooth out of their Cro-Magnon heads.”
      – The Washington Post’s Courtland Milloy

      Want more?

      • Terry Walbert

        Are you saying that these leftists don’t love us.  I got more flack from my parents for not putting my shoes away.

    • Jeffreydan

        Wil, I thought you were still at school washing the small bus as your punishment for not studying. Did the principal let you off easy, or do you just clean as thoroughly as you research current events?  

    • EddieD_Boston

      Wow. I didn’t know Ted Nugent wrote for the NYT.

      Seriously Wil, that’s all you could come up with?

      • Tim Ned

        Eddie,

        I’m just surprised that Wil follows the writings of Ted Nugent!

  • Nat

    Only a white damn fool would ignore 3 young blacks in hoodies following him.

  • Thor

    Another powerful and insightful piece.  Thanks, Bernie.

  • Rbblum

    Kudos Mr G . . . for you have presented a sensitive issue in a clear, concise and well-reasoned point of view that too many are either afraid to openly discuss honestly OR have no desire to address in an effort to alter a destructive/unhealthy lifestyle within our society.

    And, most unfortunatley (imho), the stage has already been set with a cast of dubious and nefarious characters who will be energized by those who celebrate and embrace a misguided culture . . . . adding more fuel to our republic’s next chapter defined by fiscal and monetary irresponsibilities that were created and nurtured by an unsustainable govt that has lost its compass.   

  • Wallace Flint

    Hi Bernie,
       What can we expect from people who seem to enjoy being “victims”? This way they always have “whitey” to blame it on. This way they don’t need to have a sense of responsibility about themselves. The N.Y Time know better, but goes right along with this black racism. So much for liberals looking out for the “little” guy. Thanks, Bernie, for fighting this sort of thing with the truth. I may not always agree with you, but I sure respect you.
    Again, many thanks!

                 In God We Trust!
                  Wally Flint- Boonville, NY

  • Homer

    Mr. Staples  is confusing racism with statistics. What if black people, or Jews for that matter, see a bunch of skinheads in that train? Are they bigots, white haters?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGT5LFXDWHPKRWLSI2WPBXIGXE Wil

      Homer, Did John Wayne Gacy, David Berkowitz, Ted
      Bundy and Tim McVeigh wear  hoodies and drooping pants. I don’t think
      so! But, they were all white. That’s the only difference!

      • ph16

        Wil, is there anything on this website you agree with? If not, why do you continue to come here? In any case, what exactly are you arguing?

    • http://shawmut.blogspot.com/ Dave O’Connor

      Good point, Homer!
      I think that’s the strategy of the power-lusters.

  • Rick Johnson

    Frankly, I believe Mr. Staples would have ‘started’ at the appearance of the trio in the subway door!

  • Krom

    The NY TIMES editorial and op-ed writers have become so biased and ridiculous in their logic, they can only be read by and believed by already corrupted Americans.  Buy the premise, buy the TIMES.  As a lover of what the “Grey Lady” once was, it hurts my heart.  But, I have you, Bernie, as an examplar of someone trying to keep the truth alive.  Thank You!

  • TKALAL

    IF IT LOOKS LIKE A DUCK . . .;

  • Tom Loarie

    The more I see of and read comments by Bernard Goldman, the more I realize he is an American treasure. He is smart, insightful, articulate and reality based.

  • YondCassius

    What I found most disturbing so far about the incident is the seemingly almost universal and very clear ‘solidarity’ shown to the deranged Sharpton/jackson view by many, many of the fine black journalists and guests we see on TV these days, many of them apparently intelligent and most reasonable when it comes to most other matters. 

    And if the  nicer blacks are that quick to join this rabid lynch mob, the average black person is presumably quicker.

    I must say my image of black Americans as being essentially like me but “just happening to” belong to a minority race has been severely damaged. And I now wonder what even my black friends really think about me.

    And what they really think about people like Bill Cosby and Barack Obama, for that matter.

  • Drew Page

    Bernie  –   The ongoing coverage of the Trayvon Martin killing reminds me of watching Akiro Kurosawa’s movie, Rashomon.   We can only hope that all the facts will come out during Mr. Zimmerman’s trial.   Right now, there seem to be a whole lot of conclusions being drawn on the basis of incomplete information. 

    I happen to agree with your assessment of the hypothetical situation of confronting three young black males dressed like thugs.  I would not feel ill at ease were those same three guys wearing nice looking suits and ties, carrying laptops.  Jesse Jackson confessed to feeling the same way some time ago, saying that the sight of young black men walking toward him at night in a bad neighborhood caused him to cross over to the other side of the street to avoid a possible confrontation.

  • http://shawmut.blogspot.com/ Dave O’Connor

    This suggests that  NYT accepts that its readership in non-discerning.

    Bears witness to Orwell’s comment; “In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be revolutionary act”

  • Federale

    Good thing Goldberg doesn’t write for National Review Online or he would be fired.

  • sendtheclunkerbacktochicago

    These comments do not have much to say about this particular column but I feel obligated to talk about the media black out of the entire Joe Arpaio criminal investigation of the documents Barack Hussein Obama has been flaunting since April 27th, 2011.  Heck, for that matter, the original COLB he put up early in his term was also a blatant forgery.  This guy flaunts the forged birth certificate on campaign coffee mugs and T-shirts.  It there investigation Sheriff Joe and his Cold Case Posse also discovered that the Commander in Chief has a forged Selective Service card also.  How pitiful is that Bernie?  

    Bernie and Bill O’Reilly are constantly hounding the liberal media for their bias when in fact you are actively participating in the cover up of the Constitutional crisis of the century.  Now that is much more blatant abuse than anything the liberal media has done.  We expect the liberal media to act that way, hell they have been in the tank for Obama the entire time.  Bernie, of all people should be really pissed off about these forged documents in that he worked for the organization that fired his buddy Dan Rather and Mary Mapes for attempting to use forged documents to unseat a sitting President.  What Obama is doing , with your help I might add, is much worse than anything Dan Rather did or for that matter than Richard Nixon did.  

    What say Bernie and Bill about their participation in this horrendous cover up?

    • Drew Page

      Bill O’Reilly, like Rush Limbaugh, is often referred to as the voice of the Republican party.   While I believe these two guys are conservative, I don’t believe they are Republicans.   If either one of these two guys challenged the validity of Obama’s birth certificate , Social Security card or Selective Service card, the entire Republican party would be tarred as “birthers” and thrown into the same catagory as “truthers” (who believe that 9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by the Bush administration).   It would create an immense distraction from the real issues affecting the country.   It would make Republicans look foolish and cast the President in the role of the ‘injured party’ and victim.  LIke it or not, Obama is the President and the best way to remove him is to vote for the Republican in November.

      • sendtheclunkerbacktochicago

        Drew, this is the “real” issue.   It doesn’t get any more serious that someone usurping the presidency of the United States of America.  To deny this fact is just pure insanity.  Who really cares what the liberal media thinks about “birthers.”  Putting “birthers” in the same sentence as “truthers” is another insane statement.  The “truthers” did not have ANY hard evidence to prove a damn thing.  The “birthers” have hard evidence, the DOCUMENTS, for crying out loud.  The vast majority of Americans respond to hard evidence, they always have.  Witness Watergate, witness Spitzer, witness Weiner, witness Monica Lewinsky’s blue dress, etc.  I contend when the hard evidence hits the airways, the big Conservative blogs, the TV stations Americans will respond in anger, especially when they find out how deep this corruption goes.  As long as Democrats and Republicans go down with the ship they will be satisfied.  Only the whack jobs at the far left will hate this truth but they are considered fringe by most Americans.

        As far as Bernie Goldberg and Bill O’Reilly are concerned, they need to stop talking about bias when in fact they are the worse abusers by remaining silent.  When they shut up about the bias in reporting I will leave them alone.  Rush passes hot air three hours a day five days a week complaining about Obama, most of which we Conservatives already know.  He is wasting his and our time, it is always old news.  His efforts and the efforts of Hannity and Ingraham and Levin, etc. failed in 2008 and will fail in 2012.   Romney will not take it to Obama just as McCain decided not to take it to Obama.  They are all too soft for the job.  

        I seriously believe we will have to take this to the Grocery Store Tabloids and the Foreign Press to expose this usurper.  Pravada and Canada Free Press and the Globe are already beginning to talk about it in great detail.  What a shame.  

        Drew, get on over to Worldnetdaily.com and sign the petition that already has 40,000 signatures demanding a Congressional investigation.  

        • Bob Hadley

          The birther do NOT have hard any hard evidence.  The documents are evidence that President Obama was born in Hawaii.  The birthers try to discredit this hard evidence by all sorts of verbal gymnastics. 

          The format of my Hawaii short form birth certificate is identical to the one seen of Presient Obama.  Mine has a light seal, not  an embossed raised seal.  The Hawaii Dept. of Health only used that seal to authenticate documents for use as evidence in court proceedings.  “Authenticate” is a legal term.

          On my COLB the date of issuance and the statement and signature of the Hawaii state registrar is stamped on the back of the document.  I got my passport with this COLB.  I’ve never seen my long form.

          The birther logic, like the truther logic, is simple:  if you deny the conspiracy theme and embrace the hard evidence and reason, then you are ignorant, dishonest, part of the conspiracy or a pawn of the conspiracy. 

          • sendtheclunkerbacktochicago

            Bob, They have hard evidence, you haven’t examined the evidence that Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his lead investigator Mike Zullo presented on March 1st, 2012. So without examining that evidence you have no clue what hard evidence they have.  You are basing your assumptions on your gut feelings.  Google Sheriff Joe Arpaio Press Conference and observe the Youtube presentation of the evidence. 

            Do you really think that these men all of which are career law enforcement officers who know how to collect and evaluate evidence (they have been doing it all of their lives) would dare accuse the POTUS of forging documents.  They would be open targets of the DOJ and would be facing treasonous charges for attempting to unseat the President of the US with their own made up evidence.  It would be an easy prosecution and Eric Holder would be all over it like flies on shit and you know it.  They know that the documents are forgeries and they will never open up that can of worms.  However, they will eventually have to deal with it.   It is not going away, Sheriff Joe and those amazing patriots are involved in an on going investigation that will sink this man’s corrupted administration.

            Bob, you are in the came camp that Goldberg and O’Reilly are in .  They cannot believe that this smart ass President could be so dumb.  I have news for ya, he is a dumb ass.  

          • Bob Hadley

            Correct me if I’m wrong, but Sheriff Arpaio has only dealt with President Obama’s long form BC.  If you’d bother to read the pertinent Hawaii Revised Statutes and DOH regs you’d see that the short form COLB is the official, legal BC in Hawaii. 

            Like I say, I’ve never seen my long form BC and it is not normally released to anyone in Hawaii.  To get a copy of his long form BC President Obama had to send his lawyer to Hawaii to get a special waiver. 

            Arpaio has NO hard evidence showing that President Obama was not born in this country.  Rather, he tries to discredit a peice of hard evidence showing that President  Obama was born in Hawaii – namely his long form BC.

            I’ve looked at the long form BC that Obama posted online.  It was obviously copied from some kind of binder, like when you copy a page out of a book. 

            Also keep in mind that Arpaio did not definitely say the long form BC was a fraud, but rather that there is probable cause to believe that it’s frauduent.  Probable cause begins a criminal case, it does not conclude a criminal case.  Comprende?

            Speaking of crimnality, there’s a federal grand jury investigating Arpaio along with the DOJ investigation.

            BTW, when you characterize the president, you must be looking in the mirror.

          • sendtheclunkerbacktochicago

            That is right Bob, you are getting close as did Joe Arpaio/Mike Zullo.  Probable cause begins the criminal case and that is exactly what is going on this very minute.  What do you think the chances are that Sheriff Joe Arpaio/Mike Zullo will be given a “special waiver” to get a look at that copy which may have been in a “binder” or on “micro film.”  If everything is legitimate there should be no problem at all for that very “special wavier.”  John McCain gave came up with his birth certificate in three DAYS not three YEARS when they pursued his “natural born Citizen” status and Senate Resolution 511 cleared him as eligible.  

             There were many COLB  given to people in Hawaii back in the 50s and 60s who were not born in Hawaii, just a small oversight on your part Bob.  Obama was caught with his undies down around his ankles, he felt like he was about to be “swift boated” as was John (Hanoi) Kerry and the Democrats were bound and determined not to let that happen and they got very sloppy.  Big mistake by them, they are busted and will have to explain the forgery (hard evidence).  How do you explain the fraudulent Selective Service registration?  That is even more obvious than the forged birth certificate.  Obama got caught with his undies down again.  When he realized that he needed to be registered with the Selective Service to run for a public office he was forced to come up something and that something is also a forgery.  This carries a penalty of $250,000 dollars and a 5 year prison sentence.  This clunker will eventually be waterboarded. 

            As I said Bob, you still haven’t googled Sheriff Joe’s press conference and looked at and listened to the evidence that has given probable cause for an investigation.  Until you do that, there is no sense in carrying on this conversation because you are blowing wind.   If this were a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION looking into Mitt Romney or Senator O’Connell or any other Republican for that matter,  it would be 24/7 news on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, FOX, Talk Radio, the NY Times, The Washington Post, POLITCO, Soros, Inc. for two months.  They wouldn’t let it go until Romney dropped from the race and McConnell would have to resign.  Am I right Bob??   Oh, by the way, Bernie knows I am right about the Republican thang!!

          • Bob Hadley

            Even assuming that your absurd allegations were true, that President Obama’s long form BC is fraudulent is NOT hard evidence that he was not born in the United States or even that President Obama himself is personally guilty of the fraud.  Think about it for once.

            You need to get your information DIRECTLY from nuetral sources and public records. 

            I know I know I know.  Anyone who doesn’t confirm what you already know is brainwashed, part of the conspiracy or a pawn of the conspiracy.  There’s no nuetrality.  either you’re a birther or you’re part of the cover-up.  Right?????

            You keep overlooking the fact that the Obama camp posted Predient Obama’s short form COLB (which is THE legal, official BC in the State of Hawaii) during the ’08 campaign.

            I suspect that Sheriff Apaio was pressured into pulling this stunt by his political base.

            BTW, the MSM gave scant attention to the truthers.   The attention they did give the truthers was highly critical of them.  And the truther sound a lot like you and other birthers.  They insist they have hard evidence.  And they drop all kind of respectable names in support of their wild-eyed notions.

          • Tim Ned

            Bob, you’re wasting your time with these Birther conspirators.  My dad used to say that debating logic with the illogical is in itself illogical.

          • sendtheclunkerbacktochicago

            Who is talking about a conspiracy.  When someone has a document in hand and they examine it and find it to be forged documents, that is not a conspiracy that is a slam dunk case closed crime.  Yes the investigation continues and God only knows what hellish items are recovered beyond the forged birth certificate and forged Selective Service card.  I am the one wasting my time but thats okay, I am retired and I enjoy helping people realize how week their arguments are.  It is hard to deal with the likes of Ted and Bob, they haven’t seen the evidence from Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s press conference.  They are blowing wind.   

          • Bob Hadley

            Clunker, your post below is totally devoid of facts or reason.

            You have failed to address the issues I’ve raised  except to repeat the same old mantra:  I hate Predident Obama and, accordingly, whateever I say about him is true.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGT5LFXDWHPKRWLSI2WPBXIGXE Wil

          Shouldn’t you be standing on a high ledge somewhere, threatening to jump?  

          • sendtheclunkerbacktochicago

            I am standing on the mountain top and screaming at the top of my lungs that this man has usurped the office of the presidency.  That is a fact and it will be the top “October surprise” from now until the convention.  The Democrats will be scrambling for a nominee, this one is going to be forced into a resignation.  What he has done is much worse than anything Richard Nixon did.  

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGT5LFXDWHPKRWLSI2WPBXIGXE Wil

            Jump!

    • Ron Kean

      They won’t touch it.  We’ve been around the block on this topic here before.  Over 2,000 comments with good points made and qualified forensic examiners named.  One side of me wants to respect the owner’s wishes on his site.  Another side of me wants to keep the fight going.  The real question is the undisputed Social Security card discrepancy.  Connecticut.  That should be the starting point.

      • sendtheclunkerbacktochicago

        The owner wrote a book about Bias and he and his co-hort Bill O’Reilly refuse to do the right thing and take a day and go to Phoenix, AZ and sit down with Arpaio lead investigator Mike Zullo.  Is that asking too much when many of us know this is the Constitutional issue of the century and he an Bill just haven’t woke up to that fact OR they just don’t give a crap as long as the money keeps flowing into their pockets.  ONE day, that is all we ask.  

        I am late to Goldberg’s web page so I missed the original debate.  That may have occurred before the  criminal investigation that is going on now with Sheriff Joe Arpaio.  Ron, you are right about the SS#, heck that has fraudulent ties to land deals (Harrison J. Bounel – flagged by E-Verify,  mortgage deductions for a home not owned).  However, they are all tied to the biggest crime of all, Barack Hussein Obama is NOT a “natural born Citizen.”  One fraud document leads to another and for the life of me I cannot figure out why Goldberg and O’Reilly and others like them don’t murder this.  I truly think they are worried about taking a chance of losing their friends and reputations and maybe even a job.  Is that the kind of person we should honor in any way or fashion.  There are no bullets and and explosive devices that are going to tear into their bodies.  They are acting cowardly on this one and I have no tolerance for people who speak out of both sides of their mouths. 

        • Ron Kean

          It was right after the long form was released and people first discovered the layers, pen strokes, different fonts and all.  Fight if you want but here they may boot you.  The Social Security number is one thing that they can’t argue with.  Connecticut.  Connecticut. Connecticut.  There!  I’ve done my bit.

          They don’t want to think about why people hide things and why the President pays good money to lawyers to fight to hide things.  Keep up the good fight.  Many are with you.

  • JohnInMA

    We should pay attention, once again, to what Bill Cosby is trying to communicate with the recent viral video interview.  To what end does proclaiming racism as a motive in this case, or racism as the root of problems in general solve anything?   Mr Staples wants to bridge the imaginary divide by supposing crime within the black youth community has racism as a causation, but he offers nothing more than an opinion.  No evidence.  No analysis.  Following his example, it would be just as easy to proclaim that racialism and the overwhelming talk about how racist American culture remains is even more a factor in the disenfranchisement of black youth.  They are being told by other black people that it is okay to be disillusioned and to be hypersensitive to how people treat you and react to you.  Isn’t my point, unreasoned as it may be, equally valid?

  • Mary

    Bernie,
    Great article, If it were white kids who looked like that, most people would feel the same, it’s not the color that’s the threat, it’s the hoodlum style of dress that just so happens to be worn more often by black kids.

  • mountainman

    Perhaps Mr. Staples should switch careers, and begin peddling office supplies to white business executives.  Maybe he’ll learn that computer printers are adapted to printing in all colors, not just black. 

  • PatriotBelle

    President Obama is the main reason for all the racial tensions rearing it’s ugly head again and then fanning the flame. All this for his policies of division to get re-elected. He is a disgrace to the country and to the world and a total let-down on people who originally believed in him as a uniter. What a sham!!!

  • cmacrider

    Bernie:  You have just capsulized the reasons I have not bought of copy of the New York Times in well over a decade. If these genius at The Times were so “intellectual” they might ponder this well accepted principle by the world famous political sociologist Max Weber.  Weber points out that policemen wear uniforms, badges, etc. because these act as legitimizing agents.  By this he means the uniforms, badges, etc. send us a message that they have “legitimate” authority i.e. they exercise power on behalf of the State and with the sanction of the State.   Does it not rationally follow that if you dress as do many AA …. you are giving off the opposite message i.e. we are planning to exercise non legitimized physical force?

    good article

  • Worldbuilder

    Mr. Goldberg,

    This is one of the best pieces you’re written in a while.  Thank you for  having the guts  to say what needs to be heard and the wit to say it well.

    • sendtheclunkerbacktochicago

      Goldberg and his pal Bill O’Reilly are the biggest spin masters in the business. Goldberg need to write a book about the corruption that led to the election of Barack Hussein Obama.  This man has usurped the POTUS and there is plenty of proof that gives probable cause that it is true.  Goldberg should know better, he worked for CBS when his buddy Dan Rather pulled the same crap with forged documents.  Rather was fired and Bernie enables Obama to get away with it.   Shameless!!!!

      • Roadmaster

         Obviously you’ve never heard of Bernie’s best selling book, A Slobbering Love Affair.  Or did you just come here to snipe?  I don’t always agree with Goldberg (and O’Really even less), but he is dead on target here.

        • sendtheclunkerbacktochicago

          I have Bias on my bookshelf.  I will buy any book Goldberg writes only if he begins an investigation into this usurping President.  That is the only important issue of the century.  All the other crap is nothing but recycled material.  

  • Tim Ned

    As lousy as it makes you feel Bernie I hope you continue to
    read the NYT’s Op-Ed’s.  At least you
    make your readers think.  I’m sure you’re
    not invited to those fancy press cocktail parties so just to let you know, I’m
    toasting you right now with a tall cold Leinenkugels.  Cheers!

  • EddieD_Boston

    Anybody who stayed out after the streetlights went on knows instinctively who is up to no good and who isn’t. It isn’t racism. It’s realism.

    You’re right Bernie, as long as it’s all whitey’s fault nobody has to take responsibility for bad behavior.

    If Jesse and Rev. Al spent as much time getting black men to parent their kids 90% of the problems in the AA community would go away.

  • http://twitter.com/kevinkmac Kevin McDonald

    I would dare to say if other young blacks were on the train they would give a second look out of fear, as black on black crime is at an all time high. Look at Chicago. Its a problem the NYT is not talking about.
    President Obama is failing young black men by not making this a center piece of his goals to help and fix this problem.

    • Sahyan

      Let us not forget what that famous anti-black racist Jesse Jackson said. If he’s walking down a street at night and hears footsteps behind him…and turns to see who’s following him…he is *relieved* to see a white guy. Guess he’s the poster-child for the awful bias that stalks Staples.

  • Banjo12

    So it’s racist to be careful. Got it.

    • Michael

      Good one. :)

    • EddieD_Boston

      lol…yes, it makes you a hatemonger…

  • Michael

    So many black friends have told me about the pressure in the black community to not “be white.”  Don’t pull up your pants, much less dress like a professional, or you’ll be perceived as “trying to be white.”  Don’t speak English in a way to clearly communicate with others and show that you are at least reasonably intelligent, or you’ll be accused of “trying to be white.”  Don’t try to better yourself through real education (as opposed to just hanging around a campus to further engage in listlessness or worse), or you’ll be selling out your race by “trying to be white.” 

    Maybe Brent Staples, if he really cares about young black men, should write a column addressing the pressure put on young black men to look, act, and sound like ignorant thugs; pressure put on them by . . . black men.   

  • Ron Kean

    The president called his grandmother a ‘typical white person’ after she mentioned she was uncomfortable standing next to a black man at a bus stop.  I never cared.  I must be atypical.

    But like white people, asians and all the rest, all they have to do is dress like President Obama and we won’t have this discussion again.  I think it’s that simple.

    • EddieD_Boston

      Yup…they dress to look like thugs but don’t grasp why someone would assume they’re a thug.

  • Carterthewriter

    Unfortunately, during the 60′s many firms hired Black people in order to satisfy mandates put in force by the Feds. Like all employees, some were good & some were bad. The Times let the bad ones stay while the good ones moved up to a higher level.

    The bad ones still can’t forget how they kept their jobs and it shows in their diatribe.