The One Promise Mr. Obama Is Trying to Keep

LiesI have written before about that observation by H.L. Mencken, the Baltimore journalist and all-around sourpuss, who said you’ll never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the ordinary American.  Once again, let’s put that dark remark to the test.

Most Americans tell the pollsters that they don’t like ObamaCare.  But they detest Republicans, the very people who unanimously voted against it.

They voted for Mr. Obama because he promised he wasn’t going to play the old polarizing game that politicians have always played.  Today he’s the most polarizing president in memory, and thanks to the American people, his approval ratings, though not as high as they once were, are still the kind W would have killed for.

They voted for Barack Obama because he said he would bring us together. Knowing what the American people wanted to hear, he said he would respect the other side’s point of view.   During the showdown over the debt ceiling and the government shutdown, Mr. Obama and his acolytes used the language usually reserved for terrorists to describe Republicans.  They were hostage takers and people with bombs strapped to their chest, in the words of one of the president’s top political advisors.  Or they were like wife beaters, according to Senator Barbara Boxer, one of President Obama’s most loyal allies.

President Obama told us if we passed the Affordable Care Act our premiums would come down.  For millions of Americans they’re going up.  Way up.  And so are their deductibles.

He said we could all keep our doctors under ObamaCare.  Some will, many won’t.

He said if we like our insurance plan we could keep it.  Again, some will, many won’t.

He told us he’d get to the bottom of the IRS scandal that targeted conservatives.  He hasn’t.

He told us those responsible for the deaths of four Americans, including our ambassador, in Benghazi would be punished.  We’re still waiting.

He drew a red line in the sand regarding the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian dictator.  Then he said he wasn’t the one who drew a red line, the world did.  He not only looked foolish.  He looked weak.  And the jury is still out on whether the Syrian regime will really turn over its chemical weapons to an international organization.

He told us he cut the deficit in half but forgot to tell us a) that a lot of the reduction was the result of sequestration, which he opposes, and b) that it was half of the biggest deficit in our history, created by him and his fellow Democrats – and about twice as much as the deficit in the last year of the Bush presidency.

He told us that he helped created millions of jobs since he became president but left out the part about how many of them – perhaps most — are part-time jobs since a lot of employers won’t hire full time workers because of the costs associated with ObamaCare.

He told us that Republicans were radical extremists at the same time he was the one who wouldn’t compromise even a little to open up the government a lot sooner.

How does he get away with this kind of duplicity?  Could be because Mencken was right.  There really are a lot of dolts in the USA – the clueless class of Americans who, if they ever heard of Benghazi or the IRS scandal or Syria or any of the rest of it, have already forgotten all about all of it.  And the so-called mainstream media aren’t doing much to refresh their memories.

But liberal journalists almost always favor Democrats over Republicans.  Still, this is different.  As willing as reporters are to put a thumb on the scale for Democrats, I don’t think Mondale or Dukakis or Gore or Kerry would have gotten such an easy ride.  Mr. Obama, of course, is different.  If we need to say it, he’s black.  And more than that he’s the first African-American president of the United States.  And precisely because of that a lot of journalists won’t go after him the way they’d go after other politicians, even those of the Democratic persuasion. They have way too much invested in him.

I understand this is not a new or particularly enlightening observation – not at this late date anyway.  But in times of crisis it’s important to state the obvious.

There is one more promise Mr. Obama made to the nation while he was selling himself as The One who came to save us from politics as usual.  He told us he would fundamentally transform the United States of America.  Finally, a statement we can believe he really meant.

 

 

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  • D Parri

    Delaying the implementation schedule . . . I have told you what it was about–a long time ago. One word of encouragement, though, it won’t stop the effect of this screwed-up law, and the whole foundation of the law will continue to crumble–the law will blow up in their face. There are going to be some very, very angry people as the months roll on under the current scenario. Premiums will be higher, deductibles are already outrageous, networks are drying up, and all the information surrounding implementation of ObamaCare is as negative as you could possibly imagine. That kind of tropical storm hitting the political scene–and not going away–makes for some extremely rough seas . . . but the Demo-heads have absolutely earned this fate.

    Obama is the most divisive leader that this country has ever known. Actually, he’s the only one who’s chosen to ignore the Constitution and attempt to garner powers equal to an emperor. In past years this would never have happened because either party would have rejected those preemptive executive privileges–regardless of the party. Unfortunately now, though, the race issue has become a political hot potato, and all of the Demo-head sycophants have been whipped into following a strict party line under threat of retribution for breaking party ranks–the race card being the ultimate trump.

    One thing is clear, though, Obama is very accomplished at stirring the pot, and he is responsible for outrageous levels of non-productive and wasted efforts because of his penchant for division and disruption in order to assemble the most concentrated power as possible. It is not a good thing what he has already done and is continue to do and I believe that this house of cards will eventually fall on him.

  • Joel Wischkaemper

    I do not think a lot of people have any idea what Obama said, and when they are told that he has not done much of what he promised.. it just doesn’t matter. The propaganda out of the Democratic Party is excellent, and rather than there having been a vote for Obama out there.. the first time around, there was a vote against the Republican Nominee who could have been St Jude Himself for all they cared. The second time around.. the 47% remark.

    Romney made that 47% remark, and he identified enemies to his processes.. and they were the American People, and voters. You just don’t do that, but you should not be thinking in those terms either. That 47% out there were, and are, the challenge the next president should have. Make this country a dictatorship, and then they can easily be made the ones who will have to be changed.

    I would like to see Nikki Haley front and center early and often. It would be nice to see Senator Sessions running also. And both of them in mild ways while we get the feel of those candidates. Santorium is trying to run, and he will lose the race if he is accepted. But in all of this, if we see more lobby groups crafting old and shabby ideas for the Candidates, we will lose again.

    There are things ONLY a government can provide us. None others can. One is an education. A Republican Party Candidate needs to look at that long and hard. But if that education is going to fill in the blanks where the illegal aliens are concerned, (language, accounting, math, social history) the cost will be staggering, and I will not vote for anyone who support the illegal aliens over an American Citizen. We have to change the things Americans do for a living. Now is a good time to start that conversation too.

  • Oceanno

    wow I did not know there were obama supporters still left! I guess in the end I will not be able to fine one at all. Good Luck with your insurance cancellations. Oh by the way if your mothers never told you “Nothing is for FREE”

  • The old Bean

    What you left out was the GOP’s campaign to make Obama a one term president. 222 filibusters in his first term even against programs the GOP considered their own so he wouldn’t get credit for it. What president ever had to work with an opposition that considered him a black, muslim, foreign-born Communist who wants to destroy the country. Do you think you could have found common ground with that kind of opposition to everything you wanted to do?

    • Bob Hadley

      Right! That happened from the moment he took office. A group of Republican senators got together on the day of his inauguration in ’09 and ended scheming to take Pres. Obama down – the nation be damned.

  • Scott

    You were right when you wrote this Bernie, tell us something that we don’t know already about Obama…

  • ReleaseTheHounds

    Another HL Mencken quote is the definition of a demagogue: “the Demagogue is one who says things he knows to be untrue to those he knows to be idiots.” This certainly describes our current President and the voters and media who have supported him.

    • D Parri

      I really like that one and it seems to be SO appropriate for these days and times.

      • Joel Wischkaemper

        I don’t think so. The American People do not read the newspaper, and don’t participate in the political life of this country beyond the voting booth. They work two jobs as often as they can, an they actively try and take care of their community. They are very threatened by all that is happening in this country, and they look at what is happening to Social Security and do not know if it will be there in a few years. And that is one heck of a lot of people looking at that business.
        The Republican Party has to care for the American People, and assume that a majority of them are very much worth caring for. If they don’t, the Democrats will be able to elect a swamp toad, but if the Republican Party doesn’t care about the American People, then that swamp toad may be the better candidate.

        • D Parri

          The problem is now, and has been ongoing for a long time now, where the number of people that you allude to who are working two jobs as often as they can has been steadily declining. There several factors at work in causing the decline, but the over-development of our nanny-state government is the biggest reason.

          Increased entitlement spending in order to secure votes for the party of giveaways (POG?) is at the root of that trend, and the macro-view of their accomplishment will one day be seen by our future generations as the buying of votes through the sale of our nation’s future. This is the most insidious of all failures by our media. Those hard working people who might not have the time or energy after devoting most of their waking hours to supporting themselves as well as the government of handouts…they have relied upon the media in the past and still hope that it is possible to trust them–after all, what choices do they have.

          When the media becomes the demagogue, then it is a sad day for our nation. This has been a history of sad days for five years.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            There several factors at work in causing the decline, but the over-development of our nanny-state government is the biggest reason.

            ————————–
            I do not agree. And if your supposition were correct, I think it would have shown up someplace as a feature article, or in the Labor Department Statistics. Both parents working, and one two jobs, and that WAS how they paid for the home they lived in. And it was all for the future.

            That has gone away, but the folks I was talking about did not have anything to do with the Nanny Government, and I would be suprised if they were involved today.

          • D Parri

            Healthy debate is good. So, to illustrate the point I wish to make I’ll give you an example–real life observation.

            My neighbors next door–none of them work, but they all carry cell phones, they grill steaks at least four times a week, they all receive SNAP benefits, supplemental income, and the list goes on.

            This is one home and there are millions more just like them. They belong to the 50% of Americans that do not pay ANY income tax . . . and they all voted for OBAMA. How much of that do you think they are desiring to give back today? CORRECT, 0%.

            So, JW, when I see complete households supported 100% by the government in this way, I cannot assess it as anything less than a nanny-state growth gone berserk. Please do not misinterpret my comments . . . I absolutely support helping others. I do not condone setting up an entitlement system that effectively gives people a choice between either working or living on the government dole.

  • plsilverman
  • D Parri

    “SPECIAL NEWS ALERT! Obama announces his plan to waive the individual mandate to buy health insurance for one year. He announced this decision as he also delivered his sincere apology to the nation for forcing a governmental shutdown just recently. He stated that he now realizes that it was a terrible mistake on his part to refuse to negotiate with House Republicans. He admitted that he was just ‘mad’ at the time and wanted to get even with the GOP, even if it meant harming the nation’s veterans and sick children. He also said that he would try to do better in the future, but don’t ‘count on it’.”

    Could this be the announcement that they are currently working on in the Whitehouse? Not much chance.

    • Wheels55

      The truth is, should Obama ever take blame for something and actually apologize, no one would believe him.

      • D Parri

        I agree. However, there will always be those undying, loyal supporters that are mentioned in the H.L. Mencken quote in ReleaseTheHounds comment, above.

  • Concernedmimi

    The REAL political extremist is the absolute political hack occupying the oral office. He has proven this to be a fact by all statements in your article. The democrat party is doing everything possible to bring down the American economy in order to install their version of equality (just like was stated by Tavis Smiley on c-span); they’re just not sure what to replace it with!!!……

    • legal eagle

      Are you 12 years old?

      • Concernedmimi

        Are you 2? Obama is the first black/white American president!

  • Wil

    >And more than that he’s the first African-American president of the United States. And precisely because of that a lot of journalists won’t go after him the way they’d go after other politicians<
    .
    Bernie, Do you watch the Fox Network? How about the Hannity Show and the rest of the crowd?

    • D Parri

      Indeed he does. Try it.

    • Tim Ned

      I’m not sure the last time Obama accepted an invitation from Hannity to be interviewed but I assume “never”!

      The access Wil, I don’t know why I have to educate you on this matter, is by the press corp; not political commentators. This is what Bernie is talking about, again I’m not sure why anyone would have to clarify this.

      • legal eagle

        Have you seen Obama interviewed on MSNBC shows? The answer is no…He did an interview with Baer and one with O’Reilly and on each one he was constantly interrupted…That’s why he doesn’t do those kind of shows anymore…especially not with a moron like Hannity…

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          Oh brother. Legal, even you would have to admit that Obama filibusters his way through every interview in which he suspects the interviewer is actually going to challenge him.

          If these interviewers don’t interrupt him, they’ll never get more than one or two questions answered, in which there would be no point in conducting the interview in the first place.

          • D Parri

            O’Reilly is pretty good at maintaining control over the process.

          • legal eagle

            Well then you shouldn’t conduct the interview…..I saw Hannity’s interview of Cheney…no interruptions of answers, no follow ups where Hannity said to Cheney “you didn’t answer my question”….

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I’m not talking about Hannity. I wouldn’t ever expect Obama to ever do a Hannity interview.

            I’m talking about reputable interviewers like Bret Baier or Chris Wallace. The President of the United States should be asked tough, relevant questions by our media. Yet, very few journalists actually ever do it, and when one does, the president filibusters to avoid answering those questions directly.

          • legal eagle

            He had the unfortunate experience of being interviewed by Baier who constantly interrupted his answers…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Yes, because the president wasn’t actually answering the questions. He was running out the clock with filibuster.

          • legal eagle

            If Fox News does not understand that your guest, particularly the POTUS, is supposed to be shown deference and respect in an interview I guess you understand why they don’t get many interviews with Obama…
            Ever seen Obama interviewed by Chris Mathews?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Believe it or not, legal eagle, presidents have been asked tough questions (and pressed to answer those questions) by the media all throughout our history until about 5 years ago. That’s when it suddenly became taboo.

            And I can’t even imagine an interview between Obama and Matthews. It would resemble a bad porn movie. I bet the secret service wouldn’t even let Matthews within 50 feet of the prez.

          • legal eagle

            As I believe I am a bit older than you I would agree with your statement…However, I do not ever recall a President, before Obama, being constantly interrupted during a sit down interview…Maybe you can refresh my memory…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Oh please. Obama wasn’t “constantly interrupted” during any of the Fox interviews.

          • legal eagle

            That’s your opinion and it’s not true…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            You’re punch drunk now. Do you even know what “constantly” means?
            Or are we just going off the premise that an opinion from me is “false” and an opinion from you is “true?”

          • D Parri

            If you haven’t figured it out until now, then it is time you accept the fact that this is how it will always be with the likes of Legal Weasel, Wil, Bobo Hadley, and the rest of their crew. I came to that conclusion a long time ago. If you sit back and observe their patterns, then you’ll see that it is almost identical every time–non-innovative or even creative. To engage with them you must be ready to spar because you’ll end up frustrated taking an honest, intellectual approach. Just saying.

          • legal eagle

            Unlike most of people in the media, Chris Mathews actually worked in the government for many years…He understands how politics actually works….You should watch him , you might learn something…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Anything I could learn from Chris Matthews I could just as easily learn from President Obama’s proctologist. And I couldn’t care less what the proctologist would tell me.

          • legal eagle

            I understand that you don’t want to get out of your bubble….It’s unfortunate that you are cultist and thoughts that might differ from your own are prohibited….

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            legal, Matthews’ “thought” is that someone like me is a racist. That makes him a moron. If avoiding pure stupidity makes one a cultist in your book, there’s not much I can do for you.

          • legal eagle

            First of all Mathews doesn’t know you….You’re just justifying your total lack of intellectual curiosity..
            I refer you to an article that discusses the status of the debt and you are so intellectually uncurious that you cant bother reading it….

          • legal eagle

            Stop being so thin skinned….You get insulted because you think someone might say something….grow up..

          • Tim Ned

            I watch Matthews on occasion and I do learn a lot. He constantly interrupts and is extremely combative. I believe Hannity is the same way and I support that both have the right to do so. They are commentators. Mathews is not a reporter! Nor would I blame a conservative President for not going on Mathews. I believe the interviews by OReilly and Baer of Obama were fair and of course he had tough questions from them. So What?

            Fox has more conservatives. So what? And of course the political commentators bring their bais to the interviews. Again so what? The vast majority of the press votes Democrat and they bring their Bias into their articles.

            As Bernie says, a lot of their bias is not blatant. It’s because of the bubble they live in; Republican or Democrat. And on both sides there are commentators where there bias is blatant. Mathews is one of them. He is a gung-ho over the cliff liberal!

            The issue is individuals like you eagle, you totally support the left bias and attack those that disagree with you. You are just as bias as the people you attack. I would think you would be jumping up for joy that Fox questions this President. I’m a conservative but I had no problem reporters questioning Bush on issues.

          • legal eagle

            I don’t totally support anything or anyone….
            I don’t care if Obama goes on Fox on a daily basis…I’m not his advisor…
            Fox has only Conservatives who must tow the line, or work elsewhere. The only exception is Shep Smith..
            Whether a reporter is biased is a matter of opinion. Republicans play the victimization card as a talking point…It’s B.S. as are most talking points…

          • Tim Ned

            Yes, you do support liberal commentators. You are hyping Mathews! So you must believe that Chris on MSNBC must tow the line as well as MSNBC certainly has one point of view. NBC is the one losing and driving out the conservatives. Do I have to name them for you?

            I believe Chris Mathews is BS, but I’m not here toting my position on his commentaries and I’m not on his website telling him he’s BS.

            Personally, and I don’t like attack people but I think you are neck deep in BS.

          • legal eagle

            Maybe NBC doesn’t want or need a conservative audience. The Fox audience is older, less educated and largely white….not particularly the demographics most advertisers are looking for…

          • Tim Ned

            Actually you are wrong again. Pew statistics from late 2012 shows that Fox News has a younger audience than MSNBC as well as the evening network news. Both Maddow and OReilly draw a younger crowd than Chris Mathews. Of course Oreilly smokes them both in the overall age brackets so I can see how one can skew the facts.

          • D Parri

            Actually, his comments become rather boring after a while because he follows the same path each time…and he keeps repeating the same B.S. attack crap to everyone.

        • D Parri

          And a “moron” like O’Reilly? It was probably one of the most balanced interviews Obama has ever gotten. MSNBC, Chris Matthews, and the lot treat Obama as if they worship him, and it is sickening how they lick his as* every time.

      • Wil

        Bernie, is an employee of Fox News. His opinions are bought and paid for.

        • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

          lol. So when Bernie takes to task Fox News employees like Eric Bolling, Shepard Smith, and Sean Hannity, he’s doing so at the network’s instructions?

          • Wil

            That has happened when?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly
          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            He’s also had choice words for Dick Morris and Geraldo Rivera, and regularly disagrees with Bill O’Reilly if you’ve ever bothered to watch his O’Reilly Factor segments.

            You are familiar with who Bernie Goldberg is, aren’t you Wil? You’ve only been posting on his website forever.

          • Wil

            Bernie, walks on egg shells, when he talks to Bill O’Reilly.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Bologna. You clearly don’t even watch the segments. Explains a lot.

          • legal eagle

            I watch the segments…Bernie disagrees with O’Reilly like I disagree with my wife…very carefully…

          • Wil

            Yes, with tepid rebukes with apologetic Equivalencies.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Pure gibberish, Wil. You lose again. .

          • Wil

            Hey, Where is another one of you right-wing nonsensical columns. Have you been looking for a real job or still drawing unemployment checks.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            lol. Wil, I’ll start drawing unemployment checks when you start drawing a clue.

            And I still write a column every week, even if all those big words I use are too hard for you to understand.

          • Wil

            Get a ‘real’ job and start contributing to society!

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Is my current one fake?

          • legal eagle

            Bernie does what he wants unless he’s on Fox..then he’s paid to agree with O’Reilly…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Thanks for admitting that you don’t actually watch his segments.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            Ahhh… you haven’t ever watched Bernie on the O’Reilly show. But heck.. who cares.

          • legal eagle

            I’ve watched him many times…

        • Concernedmimi

          Oviously you’re living under a rock. These are facts; not Bernie’s opinions…dufus!

        • Tim Ned

          Well he’s not an employee as I am sure he doesn’t get a check with deductions, etc. But I trust he is a paid contributor. But you are correct “HIS OPINIONS” are bought and paid for!

          • Wil

            That’s all I’m saying!

          • Tim Ned

            Don’t know what you are saying. It’s his opinions so what’s the beef even if he is paid for his opinions? It’s not Fox’s opinions, it’s his!

          • Wil

            Really?

        • plsilverman

          Once in a while he will go off the script and it’s pretty cool. But he’s on that Despise Obama 24-7 Train.

          • Wil

            Bernie is one of the few conservatives, I like. And, I don’t know why. Lol

  • Brian Fr Langley

    Bernie, speaking of going broke not betting on stupidity? How about some real stupidity? U.S. debt has now reached 17,000 Billion dollars!!! At 1% interest, debt service cost 170 Billion dollars per year!! Per year! Total corporate taxes collected (as reported) was a staggering 332 Billion. Yet half of all corporate tax dollars confiscated from businesses that drive the economy, are used to pay interest on debt. (I’ll bet that’s what the framers has in mind). WORSE, if the rates rise to 2% ALL American corporate taxes collected will be needed JUST for interest payments. (on U.S. debt). Can you say Government WASTE! Because what you get for paying interest is nothing. NO THING. Americans corporations are not being crippled by taxes to pay for defense or even social programs, they are being crippled to pay taxes to make interest payments???? (That’s the genius of left)??? Hope and pray interest don’t return to historical norms, because when they do, LOOK OUT????

    • Wolf Blitzer

      There once was a man named Brian
      Who loved him some Romney and Ryan
      But those 2 putzes
      Got kicked in their buttses
      And now Brian just can’t stop cry in’

      • Brian Fr Langley

        Actually none of my posts are particularly partisan. (try reading them) True I’m against Fed money printing, running staggering deficits, (oh, and debts) You know, spending enormous sums of tax dollars on interest payments with money borrowed from China (and others). I also oppose abortion, the nanny state and the tacit encouragement by the leftist elitist media (who I have no doubt all had socialist jouralism profs) for children engaging in pro-creational activities for which they are wholly unprepared. I could go on and on and on and on PS I have no dog in this hunt. I’m neither Republican nor Democrat. That is, I did not vote for Romney or Ryan. I kinda like Ron Paul but to much libertarian = to many libertines. But the truth of the last election I’ll say in Limerick.
        .
        Romney and Ryan the media hacked,
        Yet for Obama the media flacked,
        not outrageous lies,
        so the public still buys,
        Tell the truth it’s Obama they backed.

        • D Parri

          Jus’ push back the quack attack,
          The Blitzer is a real flitzer,
          A Wolf, a Hack,
          They’re best on their back,
          But no one takes a shinin’ to their whinin’!

      • D Parri

        Can’t keep up, huh? 2Bad

    • legal eagle

      Corporate tax dollars are confiscated? Are you kidding? Do you believe America is an oligarchy?

      • Brian Fr Langley

        Since the money is actually taken by the coercive force of the state, confiscation is an accurate description. Or??? How about let’s agree that all corporate taxes should be paid voluntarily without fine or penalty?

        • legal eagle

          Lets have no taxes on anyone….I don’t even know how to respond to such an absurd notion…

          • Brian Fr Langley

            your words not mine. I’m simply pointing out that taxes are dollars confiscated from earners. When the vast majority of voting tax payers are earners, the system works rather better. But when the system is being run by non earners to pillage earners, not so much.

  • plsilverman

    now, Bernie: “Obama and his acolytes”? Howz about “Cruz and his acolytes”? all 40 of them. You tell us how many >>>Obama, the promise non0-keeper. yeah, I guess he shoulda bought the same crystal ball that Cruz bought which peers into the future and tells us that ACA will be 1,000 times worse than pre-ACA. Then he would have seen/heard a House Speaker who says that “compromise is not in my body” and oversees 450+ filibusters and the worst partisan obstruction in our history, blue collar worker, be dammed.
    Bernie, you are obsessed with Barack Obama. 95% of your articles here are based upon already tired mantras even the RNC has forsaken. You are tired. Your journalism is far more narrow and backward than what is found in any of your objects of vilification, Media Matters, Huffington, MSNBC.
    Now walk down the hall and stand in line with the other Fox-employed Bush Administration staff now history rewriters for Fox – by Mr. Ailes office – your weekly pat on the head will happen shortly. Be patient.

    • D Parri

      Pls, Bernie could get tired of your relentless gibberish, but I couldn’t blame him. If you try, maybe in 100 years you might be worthy to bring his water. Maybe a bedpan…but you’ll need to work on it.

      • legal eagle

        Are you sending this garbage from the old age home your kids put you in? No other reason someone could be so negative and bitter as you are….

  • Haaseline

    Most of time..policies have moved through time, not having much to do about nothing. This guys lack of leadership and tactical bag of nails approach to having to speak any truth is amazing. He has single handily feed a “don’t care society enough distractions to shut down growth ….the bar has been tapped out . No more raising the bar…for this country…doesn’t exist anymore. Thank God I take my hard times sober… or I would be raising my hand in a bar. Shut down/default would have been the only attention getter left in the straighten out bag. When the bottom feeders – ( and I mean the abusers of the system , not the people who need it,) stop getting their monthly fix thats when Americans will wake up and prosperity will have a chance through hard work again. This can’t be fixed Bernie , you know it , I know it…but without some journalistic hope… you guys will be out of a job opposing this “other” side. Rome is burnt !!!

  • Brian Fr Langley

    While conservatives now call them “low information” voters. Or Bernie here refers to a modern electorates seeming dimness. (in continually voting for liberal policies that are bad for the Nation). There is another truth. When you reward bad behavior, you get bad behavior. So many folks, are being economically rewarded by the State, that the State is who they’ll vote for. While the founding Father’s shouted “no taxation without representation” Today we get enormous “representation” without taxation. (Romney called them the 47%) The fact is, we’ve created the proverbial “entitlement society”. And it will likely only end when we’re too broke to keep it going.
    .
    Really high taxes and I’m feeling okay,
    mostly because I’m on Government pay,
    with welfare I’m buying,
    though line ups are trying,
    but what else do I do with my day?

  • Drew Page

    We know what Obama is. The question I have is, what is the Republican party? I don’t know anymore, nor do I think the Republicans themselves know. In a few short months, we are going to be faced with another budget battle. We know the Democrats are going to want unlimited spending and higher taxes to support it. We know the Democrats are going to push for blanket amnesty for illegal aliens. What are the Republicans going to do about it?
    If any of the Republicans fight to keep sequestration limits in the budget, if they resist increased spending, we know we will be right back where we were a week ago when Obama was refusing to negotiate. He and the Democrats, along with the MSM will start the same old, same old blaming Republicans for threatening a government shutdown. We know McConnell has said the Republicans will not force another shutdown and we can count on the ‘usual suspects’ (McCain, Graham, Alexander and King) to join Democrats in criticizing the Tea Party for any resistance to Democrat demands. We know any resistance to blanket amnesty will be met with Democrat charges of ‘racism’, hatred of immigrants in general and of Hispanics in particular.
    As I see it, the Republicans don’t have a plan on how to deal with any of this. The usual suspects will want to ‘compromise’, meaning they will want to capitulate to Democrat demands. Some will want to want to resist. Those who resist will be attacked by both the Democrats and the usual suspects. If Boehner keeps his job, he’s in another no win situation. If they remain divided in purpose and approach, there is no chance they will accomplish anything in the next few months or in 2014.
    We have seen what ‘compromising’ has done for the Republicans over the past five years and specifically over the past five days. Nothing but rebuke from the Democrats, from Obama and from the MSM. If the main purpose of the Republican Party from now on is to avoid criticism they just as well should fold their tents and dissolve the Party. The Republican Party now resembles a parent that feels enforcing discipline on their child doesn’t work, so now they will try to become their child’s friend by giving the kid whatever it wants, out of fear of being called ‘unfair’. (Oh no, not that, please don’t call me unfair. I’m sorry, what can I give you to make up for it.)

    • legal eagle

      The Republican Party is the party of Old bitter white men…That’s the base and the only thing the Republicans stand for is an oligarchy such as Russia has…

      • Jeff Webb

        >>The Republican Party is the party of Old bitter white men<<

        Help me out here, LE.

        In the past you've (non-)responded to others' posts by calling their statements "talking points" and/or "cliches." You've also, more frequently I'd say, posted the above statement, as well as stuff like Archie Bunker references and the ever-popular race card. One might at first glance think you don't know what constitutes a talking point or a cliche, but you aren't that ignorant in my opinion.

        After some thought I've managed to narrow it down to 3 possibilities, and I'm hoping, in the interest of clarity, you'll pick the most accurate.
        A) You're unaware that you're a complete hypocrite.
        B) You're aware of it, and relish it to the fullest.
        C) You're aware of it, but are too arrogant or dishonest to admit it.

        So, which is it?

        • legal eagle

          The Great White Hope
          Can Republicans bet their future primarily on the notion that the party can amass even bigger advantages with whites? The answer depends on two distinct factors: turnout and vote-share.

          The past two elections have offered Republicans many encouraging signs about their standing with whites. In 2010, exit polls showed that Republicans carried 60 percent of white voters in congressional races — their best showing ever, in both exit polls since the 1970s and in the University of Michigan’s American National Election Studies tracing back to 1948. In 2012, while winning a comparable 59 percent among whites, Romney displayed dominant strength with groups that usually tilt toward the GOP, particularly married, noncollege, and older whites. With some of these groups, the NJ analysis shows, Obama sank to depths Democrats haven’t experienced since the Reagan and George H.W. Bush landslides.

        • legal eagle

          Just dealing with the facts…..”bitter” is an opinion….

          • Jeff Webb

            That would be ‘A’, then.
            Thanks for your “insight.”

          • legal eagle

            Waiting for you to stipulate to the fact that the US debt does not have to be retired….

          • Jeff Webb

            You will never witness me saying that we should have no national debt, nor defend President Bush’s overspending. I’m pragmatic and consistent regardless of who’s in power, unlike Obama once he got the power.

            And I’m still waiting for you to point to the exact part of Big Bad Jack’s comment that fits the definition of racist. Your failure to back up your accusation speaks volumes. I’d pay to see you try that in front of a judge.

          • legal eagle

            My definition of racist is anyone who speaks or acts in a manner insulting the heritage or culture of another….

          • Jeff Webb

            >>My definition of racist is anyone who speaks or acts in a manner insulting the heritage or culture of another….<<

            …which you couldn't point out in BBJ's comment. You made a baseless claim, you know it, and you've effectively surrendered.

            I sincerely respect & appreciate your regularly visiting a forum mostly populated by the opposition, and I look at the sparring as good brain exercise, but every time you play the race game I'll seriously get in your face.

          • legal eagle

            I look forward to it..

        • D Parri

          In case you haven’t learned yet, Legal Weasel is an arrogant and spineless idiot. But…he’s not above lying whenever it fits his narrative. He attacks others on a personal basis because he has nothing substantive to add to the discussion.

    • legal eagle

      The Republicans know exactly who they are…they are the reincarnation of the Confederacy….

  • D Parri

    It is apparent that Obama’s creed should be stated for all to see.

    “Promise anything, promise everything, and when you take office–forget all promises. If all else fails, lie.”

  • lakestevens

    This column is the best summary yet regarding President Obama. Thanks!

  • Dan McVicker

    The heck with voter I.D. cards Bernie. I think all voters should be drug tested. I wonder how the liberals would like that. No wonder Holder has told America that he no longer intends to enforce the drug laws. The stoneder you get, the democrater you vote man!

    • Wil

      Dan, Your post suggest you might be a stoner.

      • D Parri

        Spoken like a true buggered democrat!

        • Wil

          Bug off!

          • D Parri

            My, my…you ARE one buggered old boy, aren’t you?

          • Wil

            Yes, you are a typical A-Hole!

          • D Parri

            Quite the connoisseur of big boy bugger bums, are we?

          • Wil

            Nope! You seem to have bugger buns on your mind. As for your innuendos, I am not interested!

          • D Parri

            So, who asked you…be honest.

    • legal eagle

      great idea….pee in a cup in order to vote…Now that would be funny…

      • Wil

        I think Dan would volunteer to hold the cop.

  • Vance

    I think one thing that will truly open the eyes of all Americans despite their lack of IQ to what’s really going on in Washington will be their wake up call when Obamacare blows up in all our faces! The democrats will be the only ones holding the bag, unless of course they find a way to blame the republicans for that as well as everything else they are responsible for. That will wake us all up. My one question is, will the mainstream media keep telling their followers the fantasies that they have been or will they actually start reporting the truth. I don’t see how they will be able to hide from the facts on this one. It will be right there in front of all Americans faces to see in all it’s splendor. It’s called the bills.

  • D Parri

    It appears that Obama’s secret for success is to be found in this creed:

    “Promise your target audience (voters) anything and everything they want. Then when it comes time to implement your programs…forget your promises.”

  • gbandy

    The main promise Obama has kept is to “Transform this Nation” well he certainly has accomplished that. Now for the first time in history the People are being controlled by the Government and the People must obey. Obamacare has or should demonstrate that to us all. We now are controlled in our medical care by the government and it is the government who will get the treatments or not. Well we all allowed this to happen and we will rue the day we allowed it.

    • D Parri

      The future generations will eventually despise the current generation–and some of the previous ones–for having spent not only the wealth of the past but the wealth of those who come later. Obama does not care about them. He only care about securing his own private wealth that is being removed from the public coffers. Even the prospect that this dismal failure of a president will be known in history to carry his name…that’s no concern for him. He’s in…he takes…and he leaves. That’s all he is about. Period.

    • Wil

      We now are controlled in our medical care by the government and it is the government who will get the treatments or not.>>
      .

      Who did you think controlled our medical care before? It wasn’t you!

      • Jeff Webb

        If not already, you will at some point experience the inevitable, unexpected (to you) disappointment that Obama’s voters have already been feeling as a result of Obamacare.

        It gives me a chuckle every time I think about it, Wil.

        • D Parri

          Ain’t it wonderful?

      • D Parri

        Have you heard of doctors? Sheez!

        • Wil

          Have you heard about Healthcare insurance companies?

          • D Parri

            “…42 million newly ensured….” BTW, ‘Ensure’ is a nutritional shake. ‘Insure’ is probably the word you want to use, i.e., it would be “appropriate”.

          • legal eagle

            Are you being paid for your spell check skills?

          • D Parri

            Of course, why do you ask?

          • Wil

            What are you raving about, I don’t get it. Please sober up.

          • D Parri

            Never mind.

          • D Parri

            Heard “about” them? Yeah, why?

          • D Parri

            So, you still think it was the “Healthcare insurance companies”, or simply, insurance companies, who controlled your medical care? Well, I would advise you to try and find a doctor next time you need medical care because they are actually TRAINED to provide medical care. Insurance companies are generally useful in helping people avert some of the costs of medical care, but DOCTORS are much better at providing it.

      • plsilverman

        really? ask 42,000,000 newly insured if they feel that way…ask the 80% who can keep what have, if they feel that way. do you work for the healthcare bigs?

        • Jeff Webb

          So, 42,000,000 people that didn’t have insurance now have it? Please post a link showing that.

          Assuming you’re correct about the 80%, what do you say to the 20% who don’t get to keep what they have? Hey, try this: “Look, silly, just because Obama promised something doesn’t mean he said it would happen.”

          • plsilverman

            “Now”??? that’s funny…ACA doesn’t fully start until 2015. that’s the plan. down load the bill as I did. I don’t know about the premiums of that remainder but 42 million newly ensured and 80% who can keep what they have is not a bad start in healthcare reform. “look, silly”??? whatever you’re drinking, get me a case of it.

          • Jeff Webb

            You should word it more clearly next time; your comment looked more like a claim of present fact than a conjecture-based prediction. Speaking of which:

            -how do you know that it’ll be such a substantial number?

            -if your prediction is accurate, what makes you think that there won’t be a considerable number of those people displeased at being forced into it or face an additional tax?
            -millions of healthy adults have, up until now, chosen to not buy insurance. Wouldn’t the majority of these people continue not buying, especially if the tax (something Obama claimed they wouldn’t see) they end up paying is less than the premiums, and knowing that they can’t be turned down by an insurance company if/when they suddenly need costly medical care?

            How could you possibly justify that one out of five people won’t get to keep their doctor and/or plan (revealing either abject incompetence or glaring dishonesty on Obama’s part)? Whatever YOU’RE drinking, you’ve evidently sucked down gallons of it.

          • plsilverman

            I’m not drinking pal and I don’t write “look, silly” > how does one justify potentially 1 out of 5 Americans getting their premiums raised or not fitting in to ACA?..I don’t…I also do not justify what happened pre-ACA. >. the only taxes will be paid by “the very rich”, which I assume is 250k+ per. yr. > sure, a lot of people will be “displeased” when they learn they have to buy coverage and not have their neighbors pay for it, as in the past.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>the only taxes will be paid by “the very rich”, which I assume is 250k+ per. yr.<>sure, a lot of people will be “displeased” when they learn they have to buy coverage and not have their neighbors pay for it, as in the past.<> I don’t write “look, silly”<<

            Then by all means, please put into your own words what you'd tell the 20% who were misled by Obama and didn't get to keep what they had. Let's see you defend the misinformation.

          • plsilverman

            180 bucks a year penalty? and from what I’ve recently learned, the “IRS” part of the deal is directed in a decidedly passive way. >>>>Obama mislead? ok, he said ” most of you] can keep what you got”…and it’s true. about 80%. the remaining 20% will not be without coverage but (it appears) will not be able to capitalize on the subsidies.

          • D Parri

            The CBO’s Feb 2013 estimate of uninsured adults goes from 55 mil to 30 mil between 2013 and 2023. The estimate of those on exchanges also goes from 0 to 25 mil during the same time. So, 30 mil will remain uninsured and the exchanges will only add 25 mil, which includes unauthorized immigrants and people eligible for Medicaid but not signed up for benefits.

            Bottom line? 30,000,000 people will remain uninsured in 10 years after the implementation of Obamacare. That is more than actually signed up through Obamacare. Not very impressive.

          • Jeff Webb

            Obama’s repeated promise in the many speeches he pushed the law was “IF YOU LIKE YOUR DOCTOR, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DOCTOR” and “IF YOU LIKE YOUR PLAN, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR PLAN”; he didn’t qualify it with “most.”

            Quit pretending otherwise–you know I’m not an idiot.

          • plsilverman

            you have got to be kidding. do you know anything about public speaking? you want to cross examine him, fine. he left out “most”, “20%”, whatever. you relish that kind of nitpicking? terrific.
            most public speakers do not speak as if they are reciting a contract. that 20% by the way, does not mean no coverage possible…it means that ACA cannot support any subsidies to them – they still keep their own.
            “quit pretending”? tell ya what, pal, your attitude stinks…”you know I’m not an idiot”. then why would you constantly want to communicate with someone who you THINK considers you a political lightweight or someone with a vulnerable head for messing with? what’s it all about, alfie?

          • Jeff Webb

            I’d bet the 20% would care a great deal about Obama’s constant omission of “most.” We’re talking about people’s medical care, something you claim to find so important that a mammoth law needed to be passed to address it.

            So, is okay with you that they won’t get to keep their doctor and/or plan or isn’t it? Does it even matter to you that BO sold them a line of B.S.?

            Whatever you think about my attitude is irrelevant. I communicate with you often for the same reasons I do so with others with your mindset: sometimes to correct misinformation, other times to call out general wrongheadedness, others still to give lessons in logic and reason when it seems lacking, and of course there’s the amusement of watching them shy away like little sissies whenever they’re challenged to back up their B.S.

          • plsilverman

            You say I BS, that’s your bizarre opinion.>>>> That 20% does not fit in with ACA supports, that’s all. Why does that mean to you…zero coverage? If Obama said 82.7% keep what they got and 41, 700,000 will be newly covered (instead of 42 million, 80-20) would that make it better? you call it BS…well, in the previous adm,. you must have been pretty busy with your portable BS detector. now U can go back to correcting people on this site. The day I’d ‘d need a lesson in logic from you – based upon what I read here – would be the day ET visits me at 2:30am and transplants my brain with the brain of a goat.. so keep your pomposity. I do not wish to communicate with you on this medium, or any medium. you get too personal and it embarrasses a lot of readers.

          • Jeff Webb

            At least you didn’t keep trying to claim that Obama wasn’t lying about the non-rich not paying more taxes. Between that and how you haven’t been calling people bigots lately, there might be hope for you yet.

          • plsilverman

            please dio not communuicate with me anymore – stop the personal attacks and nonsense. the non-rich not paying more taxes? taxes have never been lower overall than with Obama. he has not raided taxes on 95% of us. he has given tax relief to small employers 18 times. he has taxers in ACA for “the very rich” to pay. >>>were U upset when RR raised taxes 11 times? please, do not respond to posts I direct to other individuals. your insults frankly are funny…but as I’ve said, I’m amazed that you are so desperate to call me a “race card” user when I have only written that posters here write bigoted statements. and if my posts are so lame and misguided why do you even care if a lot of outside people read them? now cease and desist the continuous harrassment. you have been violating the netiquette rules here. there’s “hope” for me? who are you to make a statement like that? I have 12 years of radio producing and hosting behind me and have been published all over the world. your posts are 99% subjective and part of an agenda to
            “expose” Liberals, which I am not. You may see me as a Lib’ because YOU are, politically speaking, an exponent of the EXTREMISM of the snake dancers at the capitol, who live by newscorp, ALEC, Heritage. You seem to cling to the Tea Party which has now been exposed as a true front group for the Kochs. look it up. Fine. keep me out of your little cocoon. agreed? I have supported Republicans, Independents, and Democrats since about age 12.
            I am only expressing my opinion. you dislike it?…move on. no need to keep embarrassing a lot of people here.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>please dio not communuicate with me anymore<<

            You've made this arrogant request several times, and the answer is still no.

            I've explained this to you at least a couple of times–around here, you are not entitled to the absolute silence of others who don't share your ideology.

            If it's so important to you that you never be contradicted, then pick a different site to post your comments, or start your own site and delete whatever comments you choose.

          • plsilverman

            I don’t say to anyone else here…your posts to me are useless and you know that…your posts usual contain an insult. I’m not directing anything to you for you to reply to, so please not interject. if you absolutely cannot contain your impulses, then leave out the embarrassing insults. “arrogant”? maybe. but I have never insulted you. do you think you can “explain” anything to me other than your ideology. notice I can debate and discuss with a lot of people here who disagree with me…if I see a bizarro insult, then there’s no point. I d not recall one single time you “contradicted” me with any fact, figure, percentage or quotable quote. it’s all subjective and biased. why not spend your valuable time with people you agree with and in that way add some “cache” to your sarcastic, extremist weirdness here. :)

          • Jeff Webb

            >>I d not recall one single time you “contradicted” me with any fact, figure, percentage or quotable quote.<>I have never insulted you.<>your sarcastic, extremist weirdness here<< isn't exactly a compliment.

            BTW, just wondering what you think of this:

            http://www.gotnewswire.com/news/white-house-knew-many-would-lose-plans

            Curious to see what kind of contortions and denials you have now.

          • plsilverman

            no, pal, YOU are unbelievable: first of all, that Alfalpha and Omega was obviously a misnomer for what the writer meant, the African American character. that kind of racial junk has been prevalent on this site. He /she meant “Buckbeat”. now for your very sweaty, overly defensive, repeated nonsense about me in your opinion calling INDIVIDUALS racists here or anyplace in the cosmos: there HAVE been sufficient number of racist and racially charged comments posted here for me to justify telling TWITTER that the “racial” content here has to be seen to be believed – the main point being, that BG is not some crazy maniac like Alex Jones. and getting back to that “basketball” deal – Obama missing baskets – I used “quotation marks” in a humourous way – at the time I was being “yelled at” here for being too thin skinned or whatever about ethnic issues. that’s it! sorry. look up my post. do U know the literary technique of using quotation marks? :)

          • Jeff Webb

            Any comment on the link I posted? Here it is again:

            http://www.gotnewswire.com/news/white-house-knew-many-would-lose-plans

          • plsilverman

            why do you insist on continuing the conversation? you are politically an extremist and have nothing interesting for me – you know I won’t agree with your “information”. so…spend your time chatting with those who agree with you. :) I don’t want to see any more of your nonsense clogging up my inbox.

          • Jeff Webb

            Why do I insist on continuing? Because the new report I just linked should qualify as something interesting for you: a contradiction of your claim from 8 days ago using facts, quotes, etc. Look, you know you can’t shut anyone up here, so just open your mind, hit the link, and see if your claim has any foundation.

          • plsilverman

            ever think I may be aware of those (pause) facts & figures and I have my own links and research to back up my own statements? hint: look up a *variety* of “links”….please discontinue the sarcasm and self-serving posts to me.

          • Jeff Webb

            Coward.
            I’ll sum it for you: NBC just reported that Obama knew he was lying about his “keep your plan” promise. NBC sourced documentation from HHS, the IRS, and the White House.
            Your entire first post: debunked.

          • plsilverman

            tell ya what > you wanna keep up the harassment (re. “coward”, etc) and expect a legal notice to cease and desist. >>>all of a sudden “N-B-C” is a source for you. ha!

          • Jeff Webb

            >>N-B-C” is a source for you. ha!<>tell ya what > you wanna keep up the harassment (re. “coward”, etc) and expect a legal notice to cease and desist.<<

            lol. Well, at least it's not the usual racism charge or "you wouldn't say that to my face" stuff.

          • plsilverman

            I don’t like your continuous insults. “BS” is subjective. that 20% can still get coverage but not at this point thru ACA subsidy and other supports. please stop the personal attacks.

          • Jeff Webb

            “by the way, pal, you’d never call me a “sissy”
            to my face, no matter how strongly your fetish dictates you do.”

            I wasn’t necessarily referring to you. In fact, the first person that came to mind when I said “shy away like little sissies” was Wil Burns.

            I’ve asked you this before, with no answer: if you were to flee a debate just like Wil does, what makes you think I wouldn’t say you “shy away like a little sissy” right to your face? What would happen if I did?

            How about an answer this time?

        • Wil

          I was railing against the present healthcare givers. Hey, I’m a supporter of the ACA.

          • plsilverman

            wow. apologies…. I’m 62.

        • D Parri

          Why don’t you take a look at http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43900_ACAInsuranceCoverageEffects.pdf

          It is a little complicated, but the bottom line is that in 10 years Obamacare will move 25 million people into coverage and 30 million will remain uninsured. That’s a 45% ‘success’ rate for 10 years investment and implementation costs. Or, a 55% failure rate. Not good at all.

  • DaveW

    Bernie, The essence of your op-ed is why Americans vote for Obama when he has failed on so many promises and otherwise screwed up. I agree that under-informed and misinformed American voters is a part of the answer and also the bias of the media is a big factor. But when the Republicans put forth an intelligent, experienced, well informed candidate with some excellent, clearly explained ideas the far right refused to even show up to vote! Also, the fact that Republicans are on the wrong side of so many social issues (gays, abortion, immigration, taxation, religion) relative to the direction that voters are going hurts them badly at the voting polls. Currently, Republicans don’t get a majority of support from Blacks, Hispanics, women, gays, academics, Jews, poor people, lower middle class people, immigrants, journalists and young people. Obviously, there is a lot of overlap in these groupings but Republicans are seen as the party of white rich people so there just are not enough voters to support them. That is why Obama gets elected. The alternative is perceived to be worse.

    • Drew Page

      The takers have outnumbered the makers. Unfortunately they all get to vote. Given the choice of paying my own bills or having someone else do it is the choice voters have today. Nothing much else matters. Failure is rewarded and success is punished. Since there are a lot more failures than successful people, it makes it a lot easier to take what successful people earned and give some of it to the failures by telling people their failures are not their own fault, but rather the fault of successful.

    • Royalsfan67

      In your opinion they may be on the wrong side of abortion, (they aren’t), religion (they aren’t) and taxation, (1. not a social issue, 2. they aren’t).

      I do agree somewhat that Republicans stayed home. I am on the pretty far right and I have liked Mitt for years. I supported him gladly. But looking at our lack of votes and that observation may be correct. We do have to get over the idealogically pure candidate wish list

  • Wheels55

    If Americans still think that we need affirmative action to helps blacks achieve, then why wouldn’t people think this half-black guy deserves the benefit of the doubt. Could it be because the race card is played so often that people think there are that many racists holding him back?
    Truth is, there aren’t that many racists out there that can make that kind of difference. Obama is just over his head – he didn’t know that he may actually have to do something besides give speeches. Someone should have told him.

  • RickonhisHarleyJohnson

    Many of those same dolts are proud that they do their quadrennial duty and vote. Great article, Bernie.

  • Bob Hadley

    “Most Americans tell the pollsters that they don’t like ObamaCare. But they detest Republicans, the very people who unanimously voted against it.”

    Most Americans favor some king of comprehensive medical insurance reform – one that involves near universal coverage. Republicans do not.

    “…that it was half of the biggest deficit in our history, created by him and his fellow Democrats – and about twice as much as the deficit in the last year of the Bush presidency.”

    Wasn’t the projected budget deficit $1.2 trillion when President Obama was inaugurated? At any rate, he had to spend to create demand. The economy was in danger, if not in the process, of taking a nose dive. Even President Bush said as much in the fall of ’08. Households and individuals were cutting way, way, way back, with demand plummeting to new depths. There’s no two ways about it,: the economy was heading down, way down. And yet his stimulus was meager in comparison to the hole blown I the economy.

    “He told us that Republicans were radical extremists at the same time he was the one who wouldn’t compromise even a little to open up the government a lot sooner.”

    They (the Republicans that instigated this mess) were not only extremists, they were crazy – admittedly, some were crazy like a fox. Any substantial compromise would simply whet their appetite. As it stands now, at least some of the crazies are vowing to fight again in a few months. But now, they’ll be more isolated.

    If the House Democrats had shut down the federal gov. six years or so ago unless President Bush’s tax cuts were rolled back, would you want Pres. Bush to compromise?

    “…he’s the first African-American president of the United States. And precisely because of that a lot of journalists won’t go after him the way they’d go after other politicians, even those of the Democratic persuasion.”
    Because he’s black???? And what do you mean by a lot of journalists? I think it may be true of some journalists, but I wouldn’t be declarative about an accusation as serious as that without specific evidence – evidence much stronger than how you think those journalists would treat other liberal Democrats in the same position (if you call that evidence).
    That’s almost as serious an allegation as saying harsh – even hateful – opponents of President Obama are motivated by his race.
    The one thing that then candidate-Obama should not have said or implied is that he would change the tone of politics in DC, etc. He alone cannot change the tone of politics. That takes cooperation. On the day of his inauguration, a large group of Republican senators gathered to commiserate but ended up by plotting President Obama’s downfall. They agreed to block President Obama at every step – the nation be damned. And they did exactly that.
    The line about the Democrats having a veto-proof senate for two years is a canard. The D’s didn’t have 60 in their caucus till Al Franken was sworn in and Arlen Spector left the R’s. Then Senators Bird and Kennedy were sickly and could only make the most important votes. (I remember one of the votes on Obamacare where 59 in the D’s caucus were waiting for Sen Bird to check in during a stormy night when one of the R’s asked everyone to say a prayer that he didn’t show up.) The D’s truly had a veto-proof senate from the time Sen. Kennedy’s replacement was appointed till Senator Brown was elected as Se. Kennedy’s replacement.
    But, President Obama – to the dismay of many liberals – proposed a smaller than expected stimulus, one-third of which was tax exemptions and tax cuts, hoping to bring some R’s aboard. No, they wouldn’t budge.
    President Obama – to the dismay of many liberals – proposed the individual manadate in Obamacare. It was a Republican idea. But all of a sudfden, all the R’s wouldn’t touch it.
    Maybe the problem is you. Maybe you’re so emotional that you can’t see you think a slanted line is straight. Maybe the American people have it right.

    • legal eagle

      Bob,
      You are being far to factual and logical for most of the people who post on this website….I am amazed to see the number of people who want the economy and our whole system of government to fail, so that they can fulfill their political fantasies…
      It reminds me of someone who bets against his favorite team and claims he wants them to win…but just not this particular game…

      • Bob Hadley

        Yes, there’s a lot of low-information-voters who comment here. Or maybe they don’t vote. Who knows? :)
        I’d still like to think that Bernie really believes what he says. Some conservatives are informed and compelling in their analysis, and sometimes Bernie is one of them. I suspect that there’s two Bernie’s: “conservative Bernie” who calls it like he sees it without caring who gets offended and “business Bernie” who knows he has have to give his followers red meat periodically. And sometimes or often the two Bernie’s are in agreement.
        It becomes a problem when one becomes so consumed by the business model that he loses perspective. But, here, the business model might also involve going against the base periodically.

        • Tim Ned

          I’m not sure Bob but typically you have some points and I am at a loss to find any here. The points Bernie makes for those of us in the private sector are right on.

          The president told us that our premiums will come down. Our company is expecting an increase of about 40%.

          He told us nothing changes in the private sector and we could keep our insurance and doctors. The fact is the regulatory demands Pelosi put into the new health care act may drive us to drop insurance for our employees and put them on their own. We employ well under 50 and always offered insurance. However the Cadillac health care tax and other factors, we are learning the hard way, makes it impossible to offer comprehensive insurance for our employees that they will all agree on. By the way, I let my employees pick
          their health care plan. I have no say in it but now I will have to make the decision.

          Benghazi ; when was the decision made not to send assistance? 1 hour into the attack, 2, 4, or 6 hours into it? Why should our fire department show up if there is no hope of saving “your” house from burning down? Perhaps our police shouldn’t show up for reports of houses broken into as the facts are the
          criminals most likely are gone. In South America they seldom show up for break-ins. Our civil servants and military are the best in the world. They don’t make these types of decisions. They show up! So who said no and why?

          The facts are the IRS targeted conservative groups. No response from the president. And no questions from the press!

          I’ve read your post several times and I don’t see any counter facts to what Bernie has stated. I see opinion, but no facts.

          • Bob Hadley

            “The points Bernie makes for those of us in the private sector are right on.”
            I’m in the private sector and have been for years. There’s tons of liberals in the private sector, in case you didn’t know.
            I’ve said elsewhere on this site that we should have more answers on Benghazi. But that’s a different subject.

          • Tim Ned

            Yes, but the issues Bernie brings up are facts including Benghazi. The most pertinent fact is with health care and the Democrats words that helped sell it was our cost “will come down”.

          • Bob Hadley

            The major cost-cutting mechanism of Obamacare is the individual mandate. Without millions of young people already being in the health insurance market, premiums will not drop the way expected. This will not happen overnight.
            The Obama administration is really screwing things up with their website glitches. Hopefully, they’ll fix the problem soon.

          • D Parri

            Socialized medicine is their goal. This is simply a tactical maneuver to justify a complete revamp of the healthcare industry wherein a government single-payer system is intended to emerge.

          • Bob Hadley

            That’s the garbage you’re fed by Fox New and the rest.

          • D Parri

            If you don’t think that it is Obama’s dream to implement the ‘European’ model of healthcare, i.e., socialized medicine of some fashion, then you are a fool.

          • Bob Hadley

            Pres. Obama spoke favorably of a public option or a single payer system before he became president. But, he compromised with the individual. Even if he wanted to transform Obamacare into a public option or a single payer system, he’ll be long gone before he could attempt it.

          • D Parri

            Obamacare was Obama’s ‘consolation’ prize only because it carries his label. Don’t think for one second, though, that when the whole plan fails he will be the first to point out that it was a plan derived by Congress, it wasn’t what he actually wanted, and the Republicans are ultimately responsible for its failure. He won’t be gone from office at that time…but he will have ‘checked out of the building’.

          • D Parri

            The need for young people to pay for healthcare subsidies for elderly and disabled is a fool’s argument. It will not work and they have backed themselves into another corner.

          • Bob Hadley

            We don’t know that yet. Obamacare hasn’t been given a good chance yet. And you’re just predicting doom and gloom because you oppose Obamacare on ideological grounds.
            If the young don’t pay into the health care system, the alternative seems to be the status quo , where we all pay for the burgeoning ER expenses.

          • D Parri

            “We don’t know that…”? Are your kidding? Your idol said it will not work unless young healthy pay in. Where ya’ been there, Bozo?

          • D Parri

            I oppose Obamacare because it’s a lousy program based upon some very foolish ideas. It doesn’t take a genius, Hadley, to see that it is doomed to failure. Simple economics 101 will tell you that there will not be the kind of demand for the product created simply by passing a mandate to purchase it. The ER costs will still be there…unpaid and no insurance.

          • Bob Hadley

            Now you’re backpedaling. A short while ago you were excoriating Obamacare because it was a form of Big Brother, taking away freedom.
            BTW, I’ve taken Economics101, and much more. Nowhere does it show that Obamacare will not work. Apparently you haven’t any economic courses.

          • D Parri

            Too bad you don’t remember anything from those courses. Oh, wait! You took them while Obama was teaching. He must have been your instructor. It shows.

          • D Parri

            More answers? You mean it did not suffice for you to hear Obama claim that Romney “preferred to shoot and then aim” as he discounted the only truth that was promoted during the campaign? He is your hero. And Hillary is your queen!

          • Bob Hadley

            There you go again! Anyone who is “on the other side” must be an idol worshipper of some sort.
            Where do these idea come from?

          • D Parri

            Do you stand on ‘a side’, or do you straddle both? How many idols do you worship? “Where do these idea come from?” What???

          • Bob Hadley

            Unlike you, I’m not wedded to either side. I tend to be at the center or slightly left of center, but I do agree with conservatives on some things. And unlike you, I constantly seek out differing perspectives. I’m looking for truth, not some ideological niche.

          • D Parri

            There you go again, making an ASSumption. You claim that I am “wedded” to a side. You are as much “wedded” to the liberal ideological slant as anyone who ever was.

            Unlike you, however, at least I am honest about my leanings or preferences, and I don’t have any need to speak for you. I also don’t mind giving you my opinion. Regarding that, I don’t feel that you portray the type of person that welcomes a different perspective…other than to provide a target for your faux intellectual arguments.

        • D Parri

          Yes, you said it. There are two Bernie’s, i.e., the one who agrees with your opinions and comments and the one who disagrees. No, you’re not bipolar, as a matter of fact, you’re about as narrow-minded a liberal as I’ve seen.

          • Bob Hadley

            I regularly engage with ideas I have basic disagreements with. And I do so on the merits. You, on the other hand, simply engage in name calling and gutter talk with those you disagree with.
            What is your definition of close minded? You probably have sclerosis of the mind.

          • D Parri

            It’s so nice to hear your ‘above the board’ brand of gutter talk. You wouldn’t get in the gutter just because you disagreed with someone? Oh, wait, there must be two of you–just like your ‘two Bernie’s'! What a coincidence.

          • Bob hadley

            Poor thing! You expect me to lie down when you make a personal attack, eh? Get some guts

          • D Parri

            I don’t really give a sh*t what you do.

          • Bob Hadley

            It sounds as if you give two. You’re so anxious to engage in character assassination when you can’t intelligently extoll your case.

          • D Parri

            I am not concerned about your evaluation of me or my comments. You have nothing to offer that is worthy of my concern.

          • Bob Hadley

            You’ve expended a lot of concern for what I say. You simply don’t like your ideas challenged.

          • D Parri

            Thanks for the analysis. Now I know which direction is North again. I will respond to your idiotic comments, but I have no concern for your spineless opinions.

      • D Parri

        You are quite a warped individual, aren’t you? Don’t answer…you can’t see it…I know.

    • Roadmaster

      I’m sure you believe all the tripe you just posted, Bob, none of which is based on reality, but then again, your reality is obviously “different” from mine. I could argue each of your points, but what’s the use. You are as uncompromising as our Black Nationalist President who hates this country, has a twisted education of it’s history, is imperious to facts, logic, decency & common sense, has an unshakable faith in universally failed socialist policies, and believes Lenin was right when he said “the ends justify the means.” And that end is yours as well as ours – total destruction of the system followed by a murderous tyranny.

      The American people aren’t “right,” just ignorant – of our traditions, values, and especially the Constitution. This so-called government shut down has given those of us with a clue a glimpse of the future – jack-booted Park Service employees man-handling true American heroes and EBT card holders near rioting when the public teat is shut off. This was our “Kristallnacht,” spaced out over the last 5 years except the Tea Party, Republicans, and conservatives are the Jews.

      When Obama’s “thug-orcracy” finally takes total control, and it will be sooner, not later, you Bob, will be in the line for “showers,” no doubt still blaming Republicans because you’re dirty.

      Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. It’s safe – it has Aspertame in it.

      • Bob Hadley

        “And that end is yours as well as ours – total destruction of the system followed by a murderous tyranny.”
        Whoever told you that is a fool, a liar or both.
        Your post is entirely opinion. Where does it come from? My post above contains facts. In case you haven’t figured it out, facts are not a matter of belief. They’re a matter of reality. You’re right, I don’t live in your safe, little world.
        Your post above is a retread of so many right-wing talking points. But who knows, you may have come with your talking points all by yourself.

        • Roadmaster

          I can tell you are much smarter than I since I never studied Alinsky/Marx/Lenin, and that everything you posted is based on logic, reason & history – therefore everyone should agree with you. Sorry, I’m not that ignorant, or gullible, nor do I chose to be a slave to the state.

          You (and me) are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own “facts.” You cannot prove my “opinions” are wrong so you ridicule. On the other hand, your “solutions” have been tried again and again and again with a 100% failure rate.

          It is apparent you’re one of “the ones we’ve been waiting for,” because you are so superior to us dummies who only read the Constitution and understand how and why it was drafted – to expose thinking like yours for the tyranny that it is.

          • Bob Hadley

            Yes, I agree: we are entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts. To say that I favor a total destruction of the American system followed by a murderous tyranny is, at least in the first analysis, a statement of fact – a false statement of fact – and NOT a statement of opinion. I know whether or not it is true, you do not.
            I like how some ideologues like yourself will smear people with whom they disagree and then say, “Gosh fellows, it’s only my opinion.”
            That’s what Laura Ingrahm (sp?) was bemoaning yesterday on O’Reilly’s show.
            You’re right, I have studied Marx and Lenin (not so much Alinski). I’ve also studied Christianity and various other religions and philosophies. But I’ve studied the U.. S. Constitution and American history much more than I studied Marx, Lenin and the like combined.

          • D Parri

            I love to hear an ‘open-minded’ liberal like yourself slam everyone who disagrees with you. Kind of a certain comic irony element always present in your comments.

          • Bob Hadley

            Who did I slam in the post immediately above? I happen to agree with Laura Ingrahm on this one. It is condescending, to say the least, that anyone who basically disagrees with you is stupid, ignorant, brainwashed, dishonest, a sell-out or some combination thereof.

          • D Parri

            “…some ideologues like yourself…”. Get real, Hadley, “Who did I slam”? Like you can’t even read your own post. You’re pathetic!

          • Bob Hadley

            You call that slam??????????? Aren’t we the sensitive one? Sounds like you can dish it out but can’t take it in.
            I was addressing a nasty attempt by Roadmaster at character assassination. It was a controlled and instructive rebuke. It was also a mild rebuke, considering the provocation. I always reserve the right to defend myself.
            You remind me of someone who picks a fight and then complains when he gets his nose broken.

          • D Parri

            It appears to me that Mr. Hadley is now the one acting defensive. LOL!

          • Bob Hadley

            Nope, just telling you like it is.

          • D Parri

            Or, like you think it is…obviously.

          • D Parri

            ” I know whether or not it is true, you do not.” “I know, your opinions are fantasies.”

            There seems to be a bit of a disconnect there, Bobo.

          • Bob Hadley

            Yes, the disconnect is that you have a problem telling statements of facts from opinions. Whatever you don’t want to hear, you call an opinion.

          • D Parri

            Ok, then help me out here. Fact or fantasy?

            Obama said he would not compromise on the launch of ObamaCrap.

            More people have been disenrolled from health care coverage than have been enrolled since Oct. 1.

            The GOP proposals to avoid a govt. shutdown included one which would only delay the individual mandate.

            Three years is enough time to develop, test, and bring online a program like ObamaCrap was supposed to be.

            Benghazi was a result of a terrorist attack, not a video that had caused a protest.

            Obama & girlfriend Clinton stated unequivocally in the beginning that Benghazi was not a terrorist attack.

            During the 2012 presidential campaign Obama accused Romney of “shooting first and aiming later”.
            Shall I continue? Now, you can state if you believe the above items are fact or fantasy…it will tell us where the disconnect is.

          • D Parri

            Just remember, Roadie, the more you stir Bob’s pot…the more he stinks! Peeeeeww!

        • D Parri

          Thank you, Bob, for avoiding any opinionated comments. That is really nice of you. (another made-up untruth for the Bob-Head)

        • Brian Fr Langley

          Dear Bob, having your comment that your post contains “facts” as opposed to opinion, is well, only your opinion. Unhappily your facts are simply regurgitated liberal talking points. You only assume they’re facts because they support your belief system. As an example, It is NOT a fact, that mass deficits had to be run up to save the economy. That was (and is) an opinion. Just today Alan Greenspan (one of the recessions biggest instigators) in an interview now AGREES that the austerity launched in Britain, has been surprisingly effective??? Wow, really? While true all big Government types (including Republicans) believed spending was economic salvation does not make it so. I could cite an example contrary to virtually every fact you posted. They are for the most part simply the accepted wisdom of liberals in the media. Try looking at the real facts brought on by elitist liberals. 1 million abortions this year. 38% will be African American babies who make up only 15% of the population???? (can you say genocide) Nearly 50% of all American fathers will abandon their children to be raised by their mothers? (73% in the African American community) These children will face the highest poverty, the highest incarceration rates, and the highest incidence of early (out of wedlock) pregnancy. (thus continuing the cycle) Nearly 50% of all corporate taxes collected go only to U.S. Government debt service. Or how about, the total debt owed by Americans (Federal, State, County, and Municipal now totals nearly 220 Trillion???? (over $500,000 per family) So chew on a few of these facts. You guy’s would be hilarious if you weren’t destroying the Republic.

          • Bob Hadley

            Brian, First of all, in the post above, I did present a lot of facts. But, you’re right, the statement that federal spending was necessary to stave off a depression is NOT a fact but is an opinion. There’s no way to conclusively prove or disprove it.
            Your post started to get interesting before you changed the subject. I have not yet listened to this supposed opinion of Greenspan. But didn’t Great Britain have a double dip recession after enacting austerity?
            Abortions and fatherless households, while important, is at best a spin-off subject. The subject you started to address was how to address an economic crisis. Yes, long term fixes are always needed and in the long-run are more important, but immediate measure are needed to address a crisis.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            So Bob, here are the current measures. First; QE1, QE2, and QE3. If printing money works, why not print enough money for every body on planet earth to be filthy rich? If what the economy really needs is demand, why not give everybody a million or so to spend? Do you know what a bartender who waters his whiskey gets called? A cheater. Now to be fair watering down the whiskey is good for the economy. (of the bar keep) So ofcourse saving the economy (of a cheater) is a good thing, right? So let’s say you’ve saved all your money for retirement? You’re now 65? Because of direct Government intervention in the market virtuous savers are earning a negative return (based even on a 2% CPI??? While they’re money is being stolen and handed over to profligate spenders. (cheatings great if you’re a spender) Second; The U.S. can not likely (now or ever) be paid off in 10 generations. The interest alone consumes vast quantities of wealth confiscated from producers to support non producers. (that’s a recipe for prosperity) The crisis you refer too is a sham (yes I agree that’s opinion) too preserve the status-quo, Richer rich and poorer poor. Have you not wondered, how it is, that a so called socialist President has vastly increased the holdings of the top 1% of the top 1%. While the middle class descends to poverty and the poor are now so poor without the state they’d collapse into social unrest. The solution, follow the U.S Constitution and the ideals laid down by the Framers in the declaration of Independance, where 1. money (the coin of the realm) is based on the weight a real thing (not paper) 2. Congress NOT the executive holds the purse strings (and they’re not lap dogs) 3. The tripartate division of powers between the Legislative, the Executive and the Judiciary are respected.4. Private property are an inherent right, NOT a gift from the Government. The rule of law is for all, not just for the conveniance of the executive and his quizzlings. I could on, but nuff said. PS: a double dip recession in Britain??? Is that a bad thing if it fixes your economy in the long term? Try a great depression, if this mess is not fixed. Then you’ll learn the true meaning of the word austerity.

          • Bob Hadley

            I agree with much of what you say. When the economic crisis hit, there were no good or easy remedies. The only question is whether the cure was worse than the calamity. I think taking the route you suggest, however, would be worse.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Truth be told we can never really know which option would have been worse (in the short term) but here’s a point about the long term. For 10+ generations American economic success has been based on honesty and integrity. Deals were closed only on a hand shake, and the notion “a man’s word was his bond”. The word credit actually means “trust”. Great Britain became a world super power in the 18th and 19th century because they were the only nation where Kings executed (private enterprise) minters who adulterated the realms coin. As a result Brits became the undisputed Kings of European trade, (with it’s commensurate economic success). The U.S. followed suit, and “yankee traders” literally conquered the world with their commerce. The deleterious effects of dishonest commerce can NOT be over stated. 1. U.S. policies are deliberately penalizing virtue. (those who delay gratification by saving) 2. U.S. policies are deliberately rewarding avarice. (by encouraging immediate gratification, the heck with the future) 3. U.S. policy is deliberately debasing U.S. money. (value is being deliberately stolen from past buyers earnings to reward future buyers) 4. U.S. policy is deliberately running up a debt (that is now only too likely) they actually mean to default on. Do you really think, introducing corruption into commerce can save it? For millennia Kings have corrupted their gold coins and then defaulted on their debts. The results are always the same. It always ends badly, very badly.

          • Bob Hadley

            You’re pointing out one of the social-economic weaknesses of the American economy. To a large degree, our economy is based on avarice, instant gratification and a spend thrift mentality. It has been so based increasingly since the 1950′s. Of course, it has always been based on that to some extent. But that ethos has been increasingly on steroids since WWII.
            I’m glad we didn’t find out what would happen if we enacted austerity after the recent crash. I don’t see how demand wouldn’t have continued to take a colossal hit, with our economy taking a nose dive. Mass unemployment, mass poverty and mass hysteria would probably have ensued.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Actually, what I was pointing out Bob was the strength of the American economy for nearly two centuries. You are right to note the decline since the 1950′s (which actually begin in the 30′s) which coincide with marxist doctrine filtering through the ranks of liberals (and inexorably coming out in most Democrat polices as well as some Republican). As for demand taking a hit, that is the problem with liberals. Demand is NOT the driver of an economy. Production is. (Even Marx knew that). The avarice society you point out is not historically normal. Typically societies rewarded and recognized self sacrifice. Instant gratification and and avarice was the domain of a societal sub set called “criminals”. Current (liberal) economic policies are meant to topple American economic dominance. True modern liberals are not the architects. (most are simple dupes) As you point out these policies are succeeding brilliantly. You now live in a place where all sorts of anti social ideas are counted as good and noble. (abortion = choice, gay marriage = civil rights, birth control in schools = better health, money printing = good economy. etc.) While actual ideas of self sacrifice (which better society as whole) are eschewed. As for what would have happened trying austerity? That can only got kicked down the road. You only think it hasn’t because liberals, still think there is such a thing as a free lunch, there isn’t.

          • Bob hadley

            No, actually many liberals see the economic stimulus as a necessary evil, but a much lesser evil than austerity.
            I think you mis-cite Marx. It’s possible that Marx did say those things, after all he was a prolific writer. But more likely, someone claiming to be a Marxist might have said them (assuming you didn’t just make them up).
            Marx dealt principally with the Labor Theory of Value, dialectical materialism, historical determinism and what he saw as the inevitable fall of capitalism. Incidentally, he did recognize demand (and the lack thereof) drives economic booms and busts. What use is production if no one wants or can afford what is produced?
            Instant gratification has been mainstreamed and is reinforced by our consumer society. Avarice has always been present in our society. In fact, greed has always been part of our economic model. This is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as it’s regulated. This was recognized to a large extent in the early 1900′s

          • Brian Fr Langley

            I’m not sure what your specific point is? Do you doubt for example, that the Soviet Union’s citizens had less demand for consumer goods than Americans? The demand was present, it was the production that was not. In fact the world over, demand does not necessarily garner production. In fact in Africa demand is staggering compared to production, but still folks are starving to death. At the base of all economies is food. If you think about wealth (all wealth) wealth is simply more food than you can eat. And Marx and Capitalists agree on one thing. The inherent value of labor. (as the good book says, “if you don’t work, you don’t eat) The difference? The right to own your own labor, (capitalism) or the State’s right to own your labor. (collectivism or Marxism). One engenders productivity the other thwarts it. (and demand has NOT ONE THING to do with it). Modern liberal policy ideas, not only thwart production, they are dishonest to the core. QE1,2,and 3, are deliberately cheating and stealing from creditors. In addition fixing interest rates (which is not the free market). Severely penalizes virtuous savers (many who are aged and depend on this income) and rewards profligate spenders. The fact is, all of us can improve our economic circumstances if we steal and cheat. But economies that normalize theft, (it’s called systemic corruption) always fail in the long term. America began it’s journey by rewarding production, NOT consumption. Now we’re rewarding consumption and penalizing production. As history makes clear, (over and over). That won’t work.

          • Bob Hadley

            Brian, I replied to your post immediately above, but the Ethernet apparently spit it out. The Soviet Union was not based on Marxist model, it was based on Leninism/Stalinism. The Soviet Union was utopian socialism or communism. That’s not Marxist. But that’s all academic

            There was not nearly as much demand in the Soviet Union (desire AND means to purchase) as in the U. S., except perhaps for brief periods.

            “The inherent value of labor. (as the good book says, “if you don’t work, you don’t eat)”
            What “good book” is this? And who said that? What is the inherent value of labor? I think almost everyone would agree that labor has value – at least labor that is harnessed.
            You are correct that recent economic policies (e.g. low interest rates) have encouraged spending, That’s to help stimulate the economy.
            Formerly, this country did reward production more than consumption. But for this economy to survive it needs to continue to expand. Economic expansion means an accompanying explosion of production, which needs a corresponding explosion in markets (demand).
            Demand comes first. If there’s no demand, why produce? At a certain point demand and production are mutually reinforcing.

          • D Parri

            Greed is certainly a strong and persistent enough force to maintain the demand-side economic principle. Too bad you can’t see the need for balance and promote the supply-side principle equally.

          • D Parri

            That’s not a scare tactic is it, Bob?

          • Brian Fr Langley

            I did reply but seems to have not got posted, will answer again later???????

      • D Parri

        Also from H.L.Mencken, “…the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” How true, the future is now.

        Unfortunately for our country is the continued success of Obama in his proselytization of America. I’ve stated before that he is one hell of an insurance salesman. Once again he has sold the nation a policy that is doomed to failure, and at the same time he has convinced them to borrow more money to pay for it.

        Moronism is apparently infectious condition. We can only hope that a cure will be found before it is too late.

      • D Parri

        If we could just locate his supplier….

    • Royalsfan67

      He added 1 trillion to Bush’s last budget then bragged about cutting the defict in half based on a baseline he created and blamed on Bush. Don’t let facts get in the way of your arguments though.

      • Bob Hadley

        My information is that the projected budget deficit was more than $1 trillion when Obama was inaugurated. Maybe both of us should do a fact check.

        • D Parri

          As a ‘Mr. Full-of-Facts’ that you like to try and play (not very well), you rank an “F” on this one. Go look again.

          • Bob Hadley

            I just did a fact-check. Everywhere, even the Cato Institute, confirms that the projected deficit was about $1.2 trillion when Obama first took office.
            Now it’s your turn to look again. Remember this is a fact, not an opinion.

          • D Parri
          • Bob Hadley

            Bravo! Thank-you Mr. D Parri, for finally recognizing the FACT that the projected budget deficit was more than $1 trillion before Obama first assumed office.
            Good job!

          • D Parri

            You’re surprised? I only report what I can corroborate and I do not try to mix fact with opinion. You have an extremely poor record of making that distinction.

          • Bob Hadley

            Thank-you for helping me refute Royalsfan67′s claim, i.e. that Pres. Obama was the one who brought the budget to above $1 trillion. :)

          • Bob Hadley

            I guess I ranked an “A” on that one, eh? Not an “F” as you previously stated. I appreciate your being honest enough to correct a factual error.

          • D Parri

            You are quite welcome, but I really don’t see what there is to be proud of in looking at Obama’s record.

            Revenues fell, spending skyrocketed, and the years since 2009 have also been dismal. What is there to be proud of? Financial collapse of the U.S.?

            “The deficit soared to $1.4 trillion in 2009 – a 208 percent and $958 billion increase above the previous deficit record set in 2008.”

            “Indeed, his 2012 deficit is projected to be 173 percent larger than the 2008 deficit before he took office, and each of his four years in office produced record deficits in excess of $1 trillion.”

            “The result of record deficits has been an explosion in government debt since Obama took office.

            “Gross federal debt increased by 19 percent from 2008 to 2009, and is on pace to increase by 62 percent by the time the President finishes his term.”

            source:
            http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/presidentobamasfiscalrecord.pdf

          • Bob Hadley

            But you just admitted above that the budget deficits spiked to $1.4 trillion under Pres. G W Bush

          • D Parri

            2008-2009 was a ‘transition’ year. Obama owns 2009 every bit as much as Bush owns 2000. These are their administrative years and these are their records.

          • Bob Hadley

            Pres. Bush didn’t own 2000, Pres. Clinton did. One of the major reasons the budget deficit was so high in ’09 was because the two wars started by Pres. Bush were put on-budget.
            BTW, I think the Afghanistan war was necessary but poorly managed. I think the Iraq was unnecessary AND poorly managed.

          • D Parri

            Bush submitted the budget for 2009 to a Democratic Congress–House and Senate–in 2008, and Obama and the supermajority went to work immediately to increase the budget as presented by Bush. As I said before, Obama added a ‘stimulus’ package of nearly $1 trillion within the first month. In addition, he quickly signed 9 of the 12 appropriations bills for 2009.

            Technically, the 2009 budget was presented by Bush, but that budget did not last but a very short while–until Obama took office. That’s why I say that Obama owns it.

          • Bob Hadley

            No, Pres. Bush signed off on the ’09 budget creating a $1.4 trillion budget deficit. Don’t forget, Pres. Bush wisely advocated saving the banks late in ’08. . That was real, not technical. Yes, the budget deficit was raised that year to, as I recall, about $1.6 trillion. If you rely on Fox News, you’d think the entire budget deficit was created by Pres. Obama the moment he took office.

          • D Parri

            No, Fox is the only one that doesn’t try to throw the blame for Obama’s failure as a president on Bush. It wore thin very quickly, but the Obamanites never relented in their one miserable excuse.

            BTW, Obama DID move to add an additional $1 trillion to the budget within his first month in office. None of his projected benefits of such an engorged budget appropriation ever came to fruition.

          • Bob Hadley

            If you’re talking about the stimulus package of early ’09, it was about $850 billion, and about a third of it was tax breaks (something Fox News doesn’t tell you). In addition, this stimulus was spread out over more than a year – in fact, as I recall it was spread out over more than 2 years.
            Most of the budget deficit in ’09 was already committed during Pres. Bush’s term. Of course Fox News doesn’t tell you that. The huge budget deficit was due to the 2 wars being put on the budget.

          • Bob Hadley

            “The huge budget deficit was due [IN LARGE PART] to the 2 wars being put on the budget.”

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Fox News reported both of those things, a number of times. What are you talking about?

          • Bob Hadley

            Then, why did you think it was a $1 trillion stimulus and why did you apparently think all that money was released in early ’09? Maybe you watch Fox news more than I, but I always waited for it to be reported on Fox News. Sometimes they do mention facts that challenge right-wingers, but they often de-emphasize them.

          • Bob Hadley

            Oh, sorry John. I thought I was responding to D Parri. My mistake.

          • D Parri

            I keep asking him the same question.

          • D Parri

            Apparently you are more concerned about Fox’s reporting than I am.

            My information comes from a report issued by the Chairman of the House Budget Committee, a source which you place no stock in. That reflects more on you than anyone else.

            Some other points you will want to discount:

            Spending surged 18% in 2009 reaching 25% of GDP – the highest since World War II
            * * * * * *
            Deficits exceeded $1 trillion in each of the four years of the President’s term
            * * * * * *
            Gross debt has increased over $7 trillion since the President was inaugurated
            * * * * * *
            Even adjusting for a weak economy and Bush-era policies, President Obama has signed legislation increasing deficits by $1.6 trillion over his term
            * * * * * *
            Republicans in the 112th Congress have stopped the spending spree and have forced the President to accept over $2.3 trillion in future deficit reduction
            * * * * * *

          • Bob Hadley

            “Spending surged 18% in 2009…”
            Very good! 18% of $1.4 Trillion is about $300 Billion, NOT the more than $1trillion you kept referring to before. Any responsible and knowledgeable decision-maker knew that there was not much choice but to increase spending when our economy was taking a nose dive.
            I can’t help but suspect that most Republican Senators knew this, but also knew that Pres. Obama would be the one to suffer politically if the economy did go into a depression. I desperately hope I’m wrong on this, but the evidence points in this direction.
            After all, a large group of Republican senators met during Obama’s inauguration, and made a pact to block him at every step in order the bring him down – the nation be damned.

          • D Parri

            Bob, you are such a stupid sh*t. Baseline for measuring the 2009 surge was 2008 spending. You really don’t know WTF you’re talking about, do you? No need to answer.

          • Bob Hadley

            What are you talking about??? That’s exactly what I was setting forth about – a baseline. Read my post again.

          • D Parri

            Decreased tax revenue and high spending resulted in an unusually large budget deficit of about $1.4 trillion, well above the $407 billion projected in the FY 2009 budget.

            Now, it’s fairly easy to get to. If you take the 2008 budget deficit of $498 billion, increase it by 18% to $587 billion, then add the stimulus package of $854 billion, you will come up with $1.4 trillion. Voilà! See how easy it is. And the numbers even match–$1.4 trillion deficit in 2009 AFTER Obama’s $854 billion stimulus package.

            The baseline is 2008. Nominal dollars are $459 billion. Inflation adjusting brings it to $498 billion. Bush’s projected deficit was $407 billion…a far cry from the $1.4 trillion that Obama can actually claim.

          • Bob Hadley

            Pres. Bush’s projected budget deficit was more than $1 trillion for ’09. The stimulus was not all spent in ’09. it was spread over more than 2 years. And remember, about 1/3 of the stimulus was tax breaks and tax deductions. When do you think they kicked in? And don’t you favor tax reductions. The so-called stimulus reduced taxes for over 90% of Americans below the levels under Pres. Bush.

          • D Parri

            http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/assets/omb/budget/fy2009/pdf/hist.pdf

            Take a look at it, Bob. Page 26, Bob. It is the budget presented by President Bush for 2009. His projected deficit was $407 billion. The source is whitehouse.gov. It is the official budget that Bush signed off on.

            Now, I know that either you don’t understand the budgetary summary that I gave to you, or you don’t believe it. Verify it for yourself. You will have a difficult time, though, because you keep throwing around false information such as, Bush’s projected deficit was over $1 trillion. I don’t think you’ve gotten anything correct yet.

          • Bob Hadley

            It looks like the ethernet has gobbled up my reply. I’ll try
            What you’re looking at is the anticipated budget deficit at the time the budget became law. But, in January of ’09 before Obama became our president, the CBO projected the ’09 budget deficit to be well over $1 trillion, as you reluctantly admitted earlier.
            There were different factor in that projected budget deficit, but obviously Pres. Obama’s policies were not a factor (he hadn’t assumed office yet, much less signed anything into law).

          • D Parri

            You really are obtuse aren’t you? The only budget deficit that Bush can claim for 2009 is the $407 billion that was included in the official budget that is part of the White House document archives. You can look at it if you want to, and you can go to the page I gave you to look at the specific table and year 2009 (projected).

            Now, you do realize, don’t you, that a budget as presented at the beginning of the fiscal year can ONLY be a projected budget, and that means a projected surplus or deficit. Do you understand that concept? Therefore, Bush’s PROJECTED BUDGET was the officially adopted budget that opened the fiscal year.

            After Obama took office he went to work in creating additional spending bills for appropriations that required AMENDMENTS to the budget. That’s why Bush’s PROJECTED deficit was stated at $407 billion, and Obama’s ACTUAL budget ended up at $1.4 trillion.

            I’m afraid Bush did not sneak back in and spend another $600 billion when nobody was looking. Therefore, his portion of the 2009 deficit stayed at $407 billion–the amount that he presented, asked for approval, and managed to have adopted.

          • Bob Hadley

            I appreciate your scurrying to source other than Fox News to bolster the impression given you by Fox News butwhat you fail to understand is that the projected budget deficit will rise or fall according to different factors – e.g. the state of the economy and revenues coming into the feds. Before Obama became our president, the projected deficit rose to more than $1 trillion

          • D Parri

            It was not Bush’s budget. His official budget deficit was $407 billion. Anything beyond that was an Obama spending bill. Period.

          • Bob Hadley

            How can a projected budget deficit before Obama assumed office be his fault? For example, before Obama became President, the economy was shambles making necessary more federal expenditures while tax revenues would plummet. How do you manage to blame that on President Obama? In addition, the wars were put on-budget. Did President Obama have any choice but to continue to provide support for our troops when he first took office?

          • D Parri

            Probably.

          • Bob Hadley

            Probably?????????? Probably what??? Probably Pres. Obama could have simply cut off all reinforcements and aid to our troops is battle???
            In addition, you’re evading my main point, which I think is your way of admitting that you’re wrong – just like you’ve done above.

          • D Parri

            Ok.

          • D Parri

            Obama added almost $1 trillion with the stroke of a pen. Gross debt jumped from 70% of GDP in 2008 to 85% of GDP in 2009. The ratio of gross debt to GDP is projected at 110% by 2014. It is simple logic, but as servicing the gross debt eats up more of the GDP, then less spending is available for domestic entitlement programs. Obama’s approach has been to increase entitlements, which will only necessitate more borrowing. This is an economic death spiral by any sane person’s count.

            Obama has done this by himself…on his watch. It is nothing to be proud of.

          • Bob Hadley

            “Obama added almost $1 trillion with the stroke of a pen. ”
            You just admitted that the projected budget deficit was $1.4 trillion before Obama became president, Are you now saying that Pres. Obama increased the budget deficit to $2.4 trillion with the stroke of a pen?

          • D Parri

            That’s a $1 trillion stimulus package. It also increased the 2009 deficit 208% over the record set in 2008, or $958 billion over the 2008 record deficit. Obama’s stimulus package came within a month after taking office.

          • Bob Hadley

            You admitted above that the projected budget deficit was $1.4 trillion before Obama took office in ’09. So, if he increased it by 208%, it must have been over $3 trillion.

          • D Parri

            Read it again. If it’s too complicated for you, then take a look at the document I gave a link to. If that’s not enough…twiddle your thumbs…you got a “Dunce” hat?

        • legal eagle

          It was well over that for the fiscal year Obama took over…All the bailouts, wars etc. finally went on the budget…

    • D Parri

      “Most Americans favor some king of comprehensive medical insurance reform – one that involves near universal coverage. Republicans do not.”

      That is absolutely untrue. Most Americans–of all parties–favor some form of heath insurance/healthcare reform. To cast that as a Republican sentiment is a lie.

      • Bob Hadley

        What are you talking about?A conservative think-tank came up with the idea of an individual mandate back in the 1990′s. The idea was adopted by Bob Dole, Newt Gingrich and other Republicans.

        • D Parri

          You really think that Republicans do not favor some kind of comprehensive medical insurance reform? After all, that’s what you said. That statement is a lie and you’re an idiot.

          • Bob Hadley

            Let me be more accurate: Republican power brokers in D. C. do not favor medical insurance reform that involves universal or near universal coverage. The GOP generally does not favor this right now. Back in the 1990′s, however, at least some high ranking Republicans did.
            If this is untrue, provide me with the facts.

          • D Parri

            Every outspoken GOP leader has commented on their support of a comprehensive overhaul of the healthcare industry, regulations, and government entitlement programs. Obama prefers to act as an omnipotent lightning rod for the Democrats, i.e., no negotiation or compromise.

          • Bob Hadley

            The changes the GOP leaders talk about are mainly piece meal. They do not involve bringing into the fold millions of young people, i.e. no universal or near universal coverage.

          • D Parri

            And you believe Obamacare is a viable ‘reformation’ of the industry? The only thing of value in it is the attempt at broadening the risk pool in order to provide coverage for folks with preexisting conditions. The mandate for all to buy the product–except for those with waivers and exemptions–is already being undermined in a ‘piecemeal’ fashion to the extent that it will never work, long term.

          • Bob Hadley

            Broadening the risk pool, by itself, only drive the cost of medical insurance up, way up. You have to have young, healthy people entering the pool in order to off-set that.

          • D Parri

            That’s the plan…broaden the risk pool to include the ones who won’t need it and the ones who can’t get it. Broaden the risk pool…get it? Why else would a policy on a group plan cost less than a policy purchased by an individual? I thought you had some sense, but you are proving me to be wrong on that count.

          • Bob Hadley

            “That’s the plan…broaden the risk pool to include the ones who won’t need it and the ones who can’t get it. Broaden the risk pool…get it? Why else would a policy on a group plan cost less than a policy purchased by an individual?”
            You’re finally catching on

          • D Parri

            Yeah, too bad it’s not going to work. :(

          • Bob Hadley

            Right now, that’s only in your dreams

          • D Parri

            Bob, I don’t know what you’re smoking but when you return to Earth let me know. You are WAY wacked out.

          • Bob Hadley

            Obamacare has not been tested yet. So, saying it WILL NOT work is a projection. Comprendes?

          • D Parri

            Very much.

            That’s why I tell you that my projection is that it will be a fiasco…many times over.

          • Bob Hadley

            And that projection comes from your mind. Ergo, it’s in your dreams.

          • D Parri

            “Ergo…”, Obamacare is a “dream of his father.” Now we’re are seeing this nightmare come to pass.

          • Bob Hadley

            An artful evasion! You’re getting better at it.

          • D Parri

            Well, thank you for your unintended compliment. Bug off for your actual intent.

          • Bob Hadley

            You are the sensitive one, aren’t you?

          • D Parri

            No, you just dreamed it.

          • Bob Hadley

            Am I dreaming your replies?

          • D Parri

            I think you are quite a dreamer.

          • Bob Hadley

            Yes I have dreams, you have nightmares.
            You’ve got to toughen up.

          • D Parri

            What a shame.

          • Bob Hadley

            You changed the subject, because you didn’t have the guts to admit you’re wrong on the GOP having medical reform involving universal or near universal coverage

          • D Parri

            There you go again, projecting your mental cowardice on me. I have already told you that a total reform of the healthcare industry is not the GOP direction. Nor mine.

            Improvements in federal regulations which could promote national marketability for carriers is just a single improvement that could achieve far better results than this waste of resources known as ObamaCrap. Obama is not concerned but for one thing, having his namesake tied to his legacy legislation. Well, he’s got it. And it stinks.

          • Bob Hadley

            “very outspoken GOP leader has commented on their support of a comprehensive overhaul of the healthcare industry…”

            ” have already told you that a total reform of the healthcare industry is not the GOP direction.”
            Question: how sides of your mouth do you have?

          • D Parri

            You don’t make a very plausible lie when you try to repeat back to the very person whose words you are attempting to twist into something different from what they said to you originally.

            From Bob: “very outspoken leader…”
            Form Me : “Every outspoken leader…” BIG DIFFERENCE

            From Bob: “…comprehensive overhaul of the healthcare industry…”
            From Me : “…comprehensive overhaul of the healthcare industry, regulations, and government entitlement programs.” EVEN BIGGER DIFFERENCE!!!

            Bob, you are a liar, albeit, a BAD liar.

          • Bob Hadley

            Thanks for correcting me, I did inadvertently omit the “E” in the first quote.
            I was right on point. First you said that every outspoken leader advocated a comprehensive overhaul of the healthcare INDUSTRY. Then speaking out of the (or one of the) other side(s) of your mouth, you stated that total reform of the healthcare industry, etc. etc. is not the GOP direction. “Total reform” is pretty much the same as “comprehensive reform.”
            But nice try!

          • D Parri

            There you go again. When I mean healthcare industry…I SAY healthcare industry. When I mean healthcare industry, regulations, and entitlement programs…then I SAY HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY, REGULATIONS, AND ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS.

            You start that ‘both sides of your mouth’ crap again and we’ll be back to where we were before. Your call.

          • Bob Hadley

            Maybe you have more than sides of your mouth. You’re making a distinction without a difference. Apparently you keep contradicting yourself because you make things up as you go along. Don’t be afraid to admit that you’re wrong. Didn’t anyone teach you personal responsibility?

          • D Parri

            Just remember, Bob, you are the one that started whining because “you had your feelings hurt.” Whah Whah :(

            I am making distinctions that have very significant differences and even a schoolchild could understand them. You are so ideologically blinded that your mouth appears to be the only functioning part above your neck. You can’t see, you can’t hear, and you absolutely can’t mentally process an idea that is presented to you–much less, multiple ideas at the same time.

            I understand personal responsibility and take my own whenever I deal with others. That’s why I am going to refuse to pick you up and ‘pat you on the back’ when you make your own mistakes. It’s time you grew some, Bob.

          • Bob Hadley

            Then explain the distinction that MAKES A DIFFERENCE, if you are embedded in reason and facts.
            You’re the one who started complaining about your feelings hurt. You whimpered because I said that you are misinformed.

          • D Parri

            If the facts don’t make the story you want to tell, then change the facts! That is, your account of them.

            * * * HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY, REGULATIONS, AND ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS * * *

            * * * HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY * * *

            If you cannot see any difference, then don’t even bother.

          • Bob Hadley

            It’s a distinction. But, for the purposes of what we were going back and forth about, it does not make a difference. I bet you don’t even remember what we were originally talking about.

          • D Parri

            And I’ll bet you are wrong.

          • Bob Hadley

            OIK, in that case you’re simply being dishonest. Here, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

          • D Parri

            Don’t you need to lie in order to lie? Ok, you’re a liar, too.

          • Bob Hadley

            Your name calling suffers from hyper-inflation. You are so liberal in that respect that your name calling is devoid of any effect or value.

          • D Parri

            Too bad.

        • legal eagle

          Bob… you can’t reason with a moron like D Parri….If you say the sun is out this morning he’ll argue that it’s only partially out because there is a cloud in the sky….

      • Bob Hadley

        Keep in mind that there’s a difference between any old health care insurance reform and health care insurance reform that involves universal or near-universal coverage.

        • D Parri

          “Universal”, meaning all except for that last 30,000,000 people? I think it could have been even better than that if the president and his Demo-heads had not chosen to make it a strictly partisan vote with no Republican support or requests for their input. The Demo-heads knew what they wanted…but they will not have it. What they will have is the stain of one of the worst fiasco’s in American political/economic history.

          Now, Bob, that’s my opinion so it will do you no good to ask me for the “facts”. You need to learn to differentiate between the two.

          • Bopb Hadley

            Yes, it’s your opinion. But your opinion seems to be based on faulty or woefully incomplete facts.

            It would have been a strictly partisan vote almost no matter what Pres. Obama and the Dems proposed, at least in the Senate.. Admittedly, if they made a total capitulation, more Reps would have joined them.
            Remember, in ’09 the day Obama was inaugurated GOP senators got together and decided to do whatever they could to block Pres. Obama and his agenda – whatever it was and nation be damned. And they held the line.
            Pres. Obama rejected a single payer health care system and a public option because he wanted to bring in some Reps. After all, the individual mandate was a public option, created by the Heritage Foundation.
            Pres. Obama also made huge compromises on his stimulus package to attract some Reps.

          • D Parri

            You have no idea of the facts which I base my opinions on. I do not feel compelled to support my opinions with any facts–particularly to you.

            Remember Obama’s agenda included adding deficit spending never before seen? Remember the Demo-head comments that the Obamacare would be passed “with or without” the Repub’s?

            President Obama is determined to pursue his agenda without partisan support or cooperation. That’s the way he wants it to be. He is as sorry an excuse for a president as I have ever seen.

          • Bob Hadley

            “You have no idea of the facts [or lack thereof] which I base my opinions on. I do not feel compelled to support my opinions with any facts…”
            I know, your opinions are fantasies.

          • D Parri

            Well Bob, you never told me that you were also a psychic…that’s awesome. Ok, how many fingers am I holding up now?

          • Bob Hadley

            I don’t need to be a psychic to know at least a few of your paranoid fantasies – you publish them.
            Oh, BTW, I think you typically hold up one finger – just a hunch! :)

          • D Parri

            Bingo! I knew you weren’t a psychic…psycho maybe, psychic, no.

            At least you read my fantasies, that’s great! My fantasies are mild compared to your hero, Obama. Before it’s over and done, he will be ruing the day he chose to tag his legacy fantasy with his own name. Obamacrap, sounds very appropriate!

            Oh, BTW, it was two fingers…Peace, brother!

          • Bob Hadley

            Yah, two middle fingers! :) That’d be consistent with your posts

          • D Parri

            See? You still ain’t got it right yet. Index and forefinger in the shape of a “V”. Where ya’ been bro? Peace! And stop projecting your sentiments on me.

          • D Parri

            In order to clear your muddled comprehension I did a little research into your claims. This comes from a Forbes article in 2012; Stuart Butler is the author. There is a decided difference between the two mandates which you choose to compare.

            “Heritage’s version of the individual mandate contained “three critical features” that distinguish it from Obamacare’s mandate: (1) it required people to buy catastrophic coverage, rather than more expensive comprehensive coverage; (2) it was primarily financed “through the carrot of a generous health credit or voucher…rather than by a stick”; (3) Heritage’s mandate “was actually the loss of certain tax breaks…not a legal requirement.””

            source:
            http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/02/07/the-tortuous-conservative-history-of-the-individual-mandate/

          • Bob Hadley

            That’s a huge distinction with a small difference. It’s too bad you don’t think about the propaganda before consuming it. The penalty/tax for not buying health insurance under Obamacare is, in effect, catastrophic health insurance. Health credit or voucher,or subsidy (under Obamacare) – what’s the difeference?

          • D Parri

            You say some really dumb things. I see a huge distinction between an incentive or a penalty. You’re blind.

          • Bob Hadley

            A subsidy is a penalty? That’s what you were contrasting – on the one hand, a credit or a voucher and, on the other hand, a subsidy.
            The penalty/tax in Obamacare is roughly equivalent to mandating catastrophic health insurance.
            Take your foot out of your mouth!

          • D Parri

            “A subsidy is a penalty?” Now, where did you get that from?

            A penalty is an incentive is a tax. (Obamacare)

            A tax credit is an incentive. Period. (Heritage)

            The penalty/tax in Obamacare is NOT even closely equivalent to a mandate for catastrophic health insurance.

            It is not me that has their foot in their mouth. You neither. It is a clear case of having your head up your a**.

          • Bob Hadley

            A subsidy and a tax credit are both incentives.
            The penalty/tax in Obamacare is roughly equivalent to the catastrophic health care insurance. In fact, that’s how the penalty/tax in Obamacare was designed.

          • D Parri

            “The penalty/tax in Obamacare is roughly equivalent to the catastrophic health care insurance.”
            Man! Where do you come up with such idiocy? A penalty or a tax is not insurance!

          • Bob Hadley

            The penalty/tax in Obamacare will go toward cutting down uninsured ER costs.

          • D Parri

            That’s not insurance, first of all. And the notion that it will be used for that purpose is both speculation on your part, i.e., not a fact, and it is absurd to think that $95/yr will even begin to touch the average $1,200-$1,800 average ER visit. THAT…is not insurance.

          • Bob Hadley

            But when the pool is large the aggregate is far more than $1,800.

          • D Parri

            At least you’re following a recognizable trend. Each comment makes less sense than the one before it. WTF does pool – aggregate -$1,800 – ER fees – $95 tax penalty – catastrophic insurance – Obamacare, have to do with one another? Go drink some more Kool-Aid…the loaded kind!

          • Bob Hadley

            I’ll make this simple. If millions of young and healthy people are paying $95 a year (which is the minimum amount) and only 10% of those end up in the ER, what do you think is the bottom line for ER’s?

          • D Parri

            Yeah, likewise, I’ll make this VERY simple. If millions of young people are choosing not to insure, the Obamacare plan is cooked. Period.

          • Bob Hadley

            The $95 payment is the minimum required payment for those not getting health insurance. We’re talking about the opt out penalty/tax.

          • D Parri

            Correct. The beef I had about what you said before was when you stated, “The penalty/tax in Obamacare is roughly equivalent to the catastrophic health care insurance.”

            This is not by concept of a catastrophic insurance coverage. However, it is intended to be an incentive to purchasing health insurance, i.e., in order to avoid paying the penalty.

            It does not carry enough impact, though, to be an effective disincentive. That’s my main contention regarding the mandate. It needs to be effective in drawing in young, healthy people who, theoretically, won’t need to use it. This ‘overpayment’ would be used to subsidize the more needy, less affluent, and older people.

          • Bob Hadley

            “…it is absurd to think that $95/yr will even begin to touch the average $1,200-$1,800 average ER visit. THAT…is not insurance.”

            You’re confusing two separate issues. The issue we were dealing with immediately above was whether the minimum payment of $95 for 2014 (which would actually be more for many) would be enough to cover the ER expenses of the uninsured.
            Whether too many young and healthy people will opt out for the individual mandate to lower health insurance costs sufficiently is a different question. That remains to be seen. I certainly hope it does.

          • D Parri

            Ok, so why did you make the comment, “The penalty/tax in Obamacare is roughly equivalent to the catastrophic health care insurance…”?

            I told you in the previous comment that this is an absurd statement and that is what started the whole BS about $95 – ER visits – catastrophic insurance, etc.

            If you want to discuss something regarding the $95 acting as an inducement for people to sign up rather than pay the penalty, then that’s fine. However, it is you who are getting these issues scrambled…not me.

          • Bob Hadley

            An inducement for the young to sign up for Obamacare is a separate issue. You keep mixing that issue up with your argument that the young paying a minimum of $95 a year (a minimum that actually increases a little each year for a few years) will NOT be sufficient to cover those young, uninsured who end up in the ER.
            Of course it will enough to cover that unpaid ER expense, unless an astronomically higher number of uninsured go to the ER as compared to previous years.
            Will enough young and healthy be induced to sign up for Obamacare instead of taking the penalty/tax? Time will tell. But this is a separate issue

          • D Parri

            Well, pick one point and try to stick with it. Are there going to be a great number of $95 tax payments that will help subsidize the ER costs? If, so, then Obamacare is already cooked.

          • Bob Hadley

            The answer to your question is “yes.” Thanks for dealing directly with the issue.
            As to your statement that (assuming my answer) Obamacare is already cooked, how can that be? It hasn’t ben tested yet. It may be cooked a few years from now, and if the GOP power brokers have their way, it will be.
            But we’ll have to see. My hunch is that the take-off will be rocky, but that in a few years it’ll prove to be better than the current system (or non-system).

          • D Parri

            Well, the “if so” part of my statement is what is known as an assumption. It was an assumptive projection that based upon the hypothetical of many $95 tax payments, then there would be many people who opt out of buying insurance. Logic stands to reason that those will necessarily be the people that need insurance the least–the healthy ones. If a great number of healthy people opt out of the program, then there will not be an adequate funding base, that is, provided the funding architecture is structured as it has been stated. Therefore, the plan is already cooked if those assumptions hold out as you have projected.

          • Bob Hadley

            The plan is already cooked in your assumptive projective mind, i.e. dreams.
            We were talking about the adequacy of the minimum of $95 paid by million of young and healthy being enough to pay for the ER visits of the uninsured.
            I already said many times that I agree that if too many of the young and healthy opt out (it’s good that you finally recognized the “opt out” provision of Obamacare) there may well not be enough to lower rates of those in Obamacare.

          • D Parri

            One way or the other, it would be bad.

          • Bob Hadley

            Yes, it would be bad if Obamacare doesn’t work well. If many of the GOP powerbrokers and talking heads have their way, it won’t work. It may even be a challenge without the harsh opposition.

          • D Parri

            You’re right.

    • D Parri

      Bob, do you think you could go on just a ‘little’ longer next time? That’s a really awesome packing of pure crap!

      • Bob Hadley

        Much of what I stated is fact. There’s a difference between fact and opinion, apparently with the exception of in your alternate universe. Any time a fact threatens your view, you simple classify it as an opinion. That way you can dismiss it.

        • D Parri

          Sure , and any universe you feel you need to create in your own mind in order to feel secure, that’s okay. Isn’t that what you think it’s all about?

          • Bob Hadley

            You haven’t told me which facts I cite above are pure crap, as you put it. I know you disagree with the opinions I set forth, but what about the facts? My opinions are fact based. I’ve seen very little in the way of facts supporting your opinions.

          • D Parri

            I’ll say it again, this

            “Most Americans favor some king of comprehensive medical insurance reform – one that involves near universal coverage. Republicans do not.”

            is pure crap. Factual?

          • Bob Hadley

            That’s what the polls say. Of course, Fox News and your right-wing blog omit that part of the polls

          • D Parri

            I thought you didn’t agree with Fox and their programming. Why would you watch them?

          • Bob Hadley

            Is that the best you could do?
            I watch Fox Newsbecause I’m open minded and inquisitive. I like to be informed of different perspectives. Besides, sometimes Fox News gives information I don’t get elsewhere. The opposite is also true: sometimes Fox news omits or greatly de-emphasizes information I get elsewhere.

          • D Parri

            You know, you are absolutely correct. If I want to hear some of the crap from Chris Mathews or Rachel Maddow and company I have to turn it over there. Thing is, I’ve watched them more than once and I don’t need to watch them anymore. In case you want to ask, yes, I do get my news mostly from Fox.

          • Bob Hadley

            And that’s why you’re so poorly informed.

          • D Parri

            It’s how I know that your opinions are such garbage.

          • Bob Hadley

            No, my facts are complete because I include Fox News on my fact search. Your opinions are based on incomplete facts because you mostly confine your facts to Fox News.

          • D Parri

            Ok, keep on picking up the garbage put out by Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews and putting itin your head. At least it explains your warped orientation to me.

          • Bob Hadley

            Anything, including facts, that goes against what you want to believe you call garbage

          • D Parri

            Or, in other words, anything that I believe is what you will call garbage. Well, at least we have mutual feelings and a mutual understanding.

          • Bob Hadley

            No, the false or incomplete information creating a false picture is what I call garbage. I also consider your personal attacks garbage.
            I disagree with most of your opinions, however I respect a lot of them. Informed and thinking people can and do have vastly differing opinions. The constructive expressions of these opinions that has contributed to the greatness of our country.
            For example, our constitutional delegates fought like cats and dogs. Eventually they came up with a compromise known as the Constitution of the United States.

          • D Parri

            If you want to act like an adult and speak to one another respectfully, I am all for that. But in order to do that you must give an equal amount of respect as what you want in return.

            When you state that I am “poorly informed”, then you are approaching me and not my ideas or opinions. When you claim that I am “talking out of both sides of my mouth”, then you will change the tenor of the conversation. I consider this garbage in respect to any constructive debate and I am not interested in holding only myself to the higher ground of a debate.

            I clearly have no problem in acknowledging the fact that we may or may not agree with one another. Left stated as this, i.e., a difference of opinion leaves plenty of the resources of time, energy, and interest to explore other areas. I am always willing and hopeful that I might learn something from someone else.

            So, we will see if the future holds more of the same garbage for both of us or not.

          • Bob Hadley

            You call me names such as a liar, a coward and a stupid sh*t, and make ad hominem attacks at every opportunity and then complain that I say you are poorly informed?????? How can you be “willing and hopeful” that you will learn from someone when you make such personal attacks?
            Don’t forget, you started the personal attacks, and mine were mild in comparison to yours. You apparently have a poor sense of personal responsibility. Yes, I’m commenting on you personally as far as your personality has come through in your attacks.
            You apparently think that you can say anything you want to someone, and he has no right to defend himself.
            Again, you remind me of a kid who goes around picking fights, and then cries to his mommy when he gets a bloody nose.

          • D Parri

            You certainly don’t sound like you want to do anything but whine. If you don’t want me to call you a liar, then don’t lie when replying to me. If you don’t want me to call you a coward, then stand up and speak your piece without trying to resort to the petty crap. You are genuinely wrong when you say that I began with the off-topic remarks–it was you, my friend. The same standard applies to me as to you when a challenge, whether personal or pertinent, is leveled–I am not a coward and I do not feel that you are either.

            If your choice of words in this last comment is an indication of where you intend to go in the future, then I assure you that I am not in the least worried about your silly little references to what must have been a traumatic and frustrating childhood for you. Otherwise, grow up.

          • Bob Hadley

            “Bob, do you think you could go on just a ‘little’ longer next time? That’s a really awesome packing of pure crap!”
            That was what got things started followed by many more of your personal attacks. That was a reaction to a fact based analysis. You don’t argue facts or logic, you simply attack.
            To ideologues like you, facts don’t matter. neither does logic. When you deal with facts and logic your ideas are suddenly threatened. Get some circulation upstairs.

          • D Parri

            That was not the start of it. That was my response to one of your “ideological” rants.

            Oh, and Bob, in response to your “get some circulation upstairs”, it appears that you have plenty of circulation going in that air-head of yours. Tit-for-tat my good man!

          • Bob Hadley

            Unfortunately for you, there an electronic trail showing that the remark of your started off our back-and-forth. Just scroll up a bit and you’ll see. I know facts don’t matter to you, but you shouldn’t be so obvious.

          • D Parri

            You have already proven yourself to be a liar, so there’s not anything that I will try to prove to you. Being a bad liar also makes you an idiot.

          • Bob Hadley

            You’re just proving my point: when the evidence is against you, you go on the attack. Man up. Either show me where (what I’m saying) is wrong or simply exercise your right to be silent. Your personal attacks are ineffective, and just show how little self-respect you have.

          • D Parri

            Evidence? The only evidence is that I am wasting my time with you.

          • Bob Hadley

            You don’t even know what evidence is, do you?

          • D Parri

            No, what is that?

          • Bob Hadley

            I thought so

          • D Parri

            Great.

      • legal eagle

        Go back to watching porn..I would assume you spend most of your day doing that anyway…

        • D Parri

          Ok, some to match, go f*ck yourself…it’s the best you can hope for.

          • legal eagle

            Ouch….you’re hurting my feelings…

          • D Parri

            Who cares?

  • Rustyrambler

    Bernie, the way you describe it one might think that it’s some kind of “slobbering love affair”, which would be absurd.

  • brendan horn

    The Democrats are constantly trying to frighten the American people about the government shutdown which made no difference in my life (It felt the same as when the government was running at full strength) yet they can get away with calling Republicans terrorists. I thought terrorists were trying to frighten people. Is not that what the Democratic playbook has been – to frighten the American people about Republicans?

    Remember how media people called Palin irresponsible for putting a target on certain districts – a pretty nonthreatening act (I think they would have played her as very irresponsible if she had had been seen shopping at Target stores). Yet, these same people do not point out how incredibly inflammatory has been the language of Democratic flamethrowers. I would not mind so much these liberal hacks if they had the same standards for all politicians.

    • legal eagle

      Know any government workers who weren’t getting paid? I do…Because you are not affected doesn’t mean others are not…Scare tactics? What a dumb statement..

      • Tim ned

        I know people in the private sector who have lost jobs permanently. Federal workers will see full payback. The private sector is the economy. Federal programs should not be!

      • brendan horn

        Legal, I did not write that no one was affected. I wrote that there has been no difference in my quality of life as a result of the shutdown. You could probably shut down half of the federal government for a few days without doing any significant harm to the economy or the country. People not getting paid or not having work is not nothing but I think federal employees are out of touch with what the average person has to deal with on a daily basis working in the private sector. Benefits, job security, and pay are much better for the average government worker than they are for the average person not working for the government and taxpayers are the ones who pay the salaries of government workers.

        • legal eagle

          Perhaps you should visit your local Social Security office and see if the workers who try to help older people are “out of touch”…How about all the people who work in the court system? Are they “out of touch”?
          Where do you come up with these absurd generalizations?
          Taxpayers pay the salaries of government workers…So? What’s your point? You seem to have a problem with government workers…

          • D Parri

            Government workers? No, I love government workers. I also think that it is great anytime you can pay someone for doing nothing. You’re so smart!

          • legal eagle

            I’ve been told I’m pretty smart…compared to you I’m a genius…LOL

          • D Parri

            Hey, I think you’re very smart…for a fart. But I guess most of you a*shole’s usually are.

      • D Parri

        Shutdown…workers paid…not paid…scared…dumb? I’m glad you are always SO clear. FO!

    • Bobo Hadley

      “I thought terrorists were trying to frighten people. Is not that what the Democratic playbook has been – to frighten the American people about Republicans?”
      Haven’t a lot of Republicans in D. C. along with right-wing talking heads tried to scare us about Obamacare, about various other policies of President Obama and abuot President Obama himself? Oh yes, I almost forgot! Those are correct scare tactics and the scare tactics on the other side are not.

      • brendan horn

        I did not write that the Republicans do not use scare tactics. I was pointing out the hypocricy of libs who use scare tactics quite frequently yet they whine about others doing the same. You should try harder to understand words before you respond to them.

        • Bob Hadley

          Oh but I did understand your post. There is a lot of hypocrisy on both sides. People on both sides whine about the other side’s fear mongering..

          • brendan horn

            I will defer to you about whining. You are an expert in that field.

          • Bob Hadley

            Yes, I get a couple ears full of it on this website! :)

      • D Parri

        Not to mention the scare tactics of the Demo-heads regarding the government shut-down, the debt limit, etc. Let’s see…Demo-head scare tactics–Good, and Republican scare tactics–Bad! Ok, now I get your pitch.

        • Bob Hadley

          You’re reacting to someone else. I never said Democratic scare tactics are good. I think they’re bad. Now, let me hear you say that Republican scare tactics against Obamacare and Pres. Obama in general are bad. I know you won’t because you engage in them.

          • D Parri

            I don’t know–don’t care–if you’re “Bobo Hadley” or not. That comment was in reply to “…and the scare tactics on the other side are not…” Remember, ‘talking heads’, Republicans, ‘scare tactics’, ‘other side’, etc. Go back and read it.

          • Bob Hadley

            Yes, I was mimicking an attitude on the Right. And yes, many on the Left have an attitude that mirrors that. But I don’t have that attitude.
            But, you didn’t condemn scare tactic about Obamacare and Pres. Obama in general. Why not?
            OK, I’ll make it easy for you. Why don’t you condemn scare tactics both on the Right and on the Left?

          • D Parri

            Warnings of impending disasters are not ‘scare’ tactics. The national debt will eventually crush our nation. Entitlements which you now hold sacred will collapse. Obamacare is, I repeat, a “train wreck”. It will not work, as is.

          • Bob Hadley

            “Warnings of impending disasters are not ‘scare’ tactics”
            Scare of both the Left and the Right are warnings of impending disaster.

          • D Parri

            Pray tell, Bob, is news of increased or continued deficits and continued borrowed spending a “scare” or simply a fact?

            If the news itself is a fact which should be announced, then at what point do you start to question the practice or trend of deficit spending?

            If, for example, you accept that it is not a “good” thing to do, then should you not also attach a warning concerning the potential outcome?

            Ok, tell me then that this warning is a “scare” tactic–based upon the assumptions I am presenting here.

          • Bob hadley

            That’s only part of the story. Fox News and others will repeatedly tell about the deficit is more ways than you can repeatedly tell you about the debt. And high-light gov. waste.
            They will not tell you (or hardly tell you) economic gains and successes and the deficits going down.
            In short, they only tell you about the glass being half empty. When Pres. Bush was in office, the glass was always half full.
            As for scare tactics, they bring on their Fox News contributors to make gloomy predictions. It’s this latter bit that is scare tactics.

          • D Parri

            Bob, as far as your corny colloquialisms, I really don’t give a f*ck about the glass or what it’s filled with. What I do care about is the news about our economy and the administrative policies that have been implemented by Obama during his tenure. I can–and DO–investigate and corroborate any information that I get via Fox, and I derive my own conclusions based upon that information.

            So, no…it isn’t a mindless exercise in forming the opinions that I express here. You obviously don’t agree with anything that I have to say…and I’m fine with that. I have learned a long time ago that you can correct ignorance, but stupidity is hopeless. I hate to scare you, Bob, but the future looks rather gloomy at this point.

          • Bob Hadley

            The future looks precarious (not yet scary) with people like those in the House Tea Party caucus in power and all the influential No-Nothings.

          • D Parri

            Are those “No-Nothings” the same as a ‘Know-Nothing’?

            I wonder why the Tea Partiers are in power? I wonder if they will also take the Senate in 2014. We can always pray for it.

          • Bob Hadley

            Thanks to the Tea Partiers, the Dem still have control of the Senate.

          • D Parri

            Thanks to Obamacare, the GOP is going to control both House and Senate. That is my projection for 2014. Cause and effect.

          • Bob Hadley

            There you go again. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. Previously, you admitted that your primary source of news is Fox News. Now you claim to corroborate everything you hear on Fox News.
            Then why did you keep saying that the ’09 stimulus was $1trillion and why did you keep saying that Pres. Obama added over $1 trillion to the deficit in ’09? Under pressure, you admitted that it was the aggregate deficit or debt.

          • D Parri

            Do you have a problem with Fox being my primary news source? Why? Does it upset you in some way for me to tell you that I use more than one news source? That I confirm from more than one source? Why? Have you ever attempted to corroborate and confirm the same information from multiple sources?

            Does it bother you for me to tell you that I draw my own conclusions based upon the information I’ve gathered? Why?

            Do you deny the claim that the 2009 deficit was a record set at $1.4 trillion? Do you deny that Obama signed a stimulus package in 2009 of almost $1 trillion? If a deficit budget was already in place, then would additional future spending either add to or deduct from the nation’s total aggregate debt?

            It’s not called speaking out of “both sides of the mouth”, Bob, it’s called being able to use more than a tiny speck of the brain. You see, that’s why you have difficulty following it. It’s ok, making you could ask someone to help you–a child maybe.

          • Bob Hadley

            You’re backpedaling again. You said more than once that Pres. Obama raised the deficit more than $1 trillion. Then I guess you started backpedaling after double checking some websites.
            You claimed the stimulus was $1 trillion. Now you add the qualifier “almost.” Is about $850 billion almost a $1 trillion. I think not.
            When you get caught making misstatements, you react with ad hominem attack.

          • D Parri

            Bob, it is actually child’s play. If you do not understand the difference between the terms “total aggregate debt” and “annual budget deficit”, or simply, “budget deficit”.

            Tell me first if you can understand the difference. I can understand why you would make such stupid remarks as my “misstatements” when you really don’t understand. It makes no sense for me to waste any more time explaining this to you when you are only interested in remaining contentious.

            I will speak out when you claim to ‘catch’ me. For the record, I would say that 85% is nearly 100%–it is certainly the better part of it.

          • Bob Hadley

            Yah, so $150 billion is inconsequential, right?????
            You’re the one who mixes up those terms. First, you say that Pres. Obama added more than $1 trillion to the budget deficit in ’09. Then, when you get called on that, you try to support that misstatement showing that President Obama added, in aggregate, over $1 trillion to the deficit (an therefore to the debt) over his entire term so far. Man up!

          • D Parri

            No, Bob. And neither is $1 trillion. With the stimulus package ALONE Obama added $850 billion. Bush’s projected deficit was $407 billion. The ACTUAL deficit, which included increases in Bush’s budget that were made under Obama’s purview, was $1.4 trillion.

            Simple math, Bob, Total ($1.4t) = Bush ($0.4t) + Obama ($1t). Once again, 1 + .4 = 1.4. Get it?

            Maybe you need to call the Whitehouse documents source (whitehouse.gov) a liar. Go ahead…try it.

          • Bob Hadley

            ” I would say that 85% is nearly 100%…” In other words, $150 billion difference between $850 billion and $1 trillion is inconsequential, or are you backpedaling again?
            The projected deficit before Obama assumed office was well over $1 trillion. Pres. Obama’s stimulus was spread out over more than 2 years. And remember, about 1/3 of the stimulus was tax breaks and tax cuts (when do you think they kicked in?), bringing the tax burden for 90% of American taxpayers below the level under Pres. Bush. You favor that, don’t you?
            BTW, I don’t call people liars unless they truly prove to fit the bill. Your name calling suffers from a type of hyper-inflation: you do it so often, that it becomes meaningless.

          • D Parri

            Read it again, Bob. I did not say it was inconsequential. However, it was Obama that made up the difference with additional appropriations. It was a Demo-head House, a Demo-head Senate, and a Demo-head President. They are responsible for all appropriations beyond Bush’s original projected $407 billion deficit. That means that Obama was responsible for $1 trillion of the $1.4 trillion deficit in 2009.

          • Bob Hadley

            Your clear implication is that $150 Billion is inconsequential: $850 Billion is nearly $1 trillion. You talk like a liberal
            All because you wanted to justify calling the stimulus (which was 1/3 tax breaks) a $1 trillion stimulus.
            Again, it was the terrible economy in late ’08 and early ’09, together with putting the wars on-budget, that pushed the budget deficit well over $1 trillion.

          • D Parri

            Ok.

  • Bob Hadley

    Bernie, Did you hear Laura Ingrahm (sp?) on O’Reilly’s show tonight? She essentially bemoaned a lot of the Obamaites for saying that anyone who opposes President’s Obama’s policies is stupid, ignorant, manipulated by right-wing talk radio, a racist or some combination thereof. She said that it’s a terribly condescending attitude.
    Sound familiar? Any parallels?

  • Chuck_Borealis

    The truth is now racist.

    • legal eagle

      Your version of the truth may be?

    • D Parri

      Legal Weasel has many versions of the truth. Whatever suits the need for the day.

  • D Parri

    It needs to be noted that history will only make note of the presidential leadership, or lack thereof, that existed at the time of any budget crisis. There is absolutely no possibility that “the Boehner Debt Default” could ever be created, much less used. It is entirely likely that the “Obama Debt Default” will still be a pivotal point in American history and it will carry the Obama brand will live in infamy for several generations.

  • Kathie Ampela

    There you go again, Bernie! I can see that you are a “the glass is half empty” kind of guy. I’m a glass is half full sort. What makes you think the American public is going to remember the government shut down 2 weeks from now? A month ago we were on the brink of war with Syria, a MONUMENTAL event…forgotten. I bet you if Jesse Watters went walking around the street, people think we got all the WMD’s out of Syria. A boring government shut down and debt ceiling debate will be forgotten by Monday. They’re desensitized, they respond to Superstorms or a terrorist attack…and even THAT’s forgotten by the end of the news cycle. Stop worrying about who’s getting blamed. Most of the sleeping middle think Obamacare was overturned by the Supreme Court, are THEY in for a surprise!

  • Tim Ned

    I believe the Jimmy Kimmel show demonstrated this point clearly interviewing people on the street. They asked if they preferred Obama Care or the Affordable care act. They all choose the Affordable care act and hated Obamacare.

    Enough said.

    • D Parri

      It is quite logical. They don’t want to become with the same disease as the president. Unfortunately, they already have and they are able to see it. It is one of the afflictions of this condition that was introduced by Obama, i.e., moronism. It is extremely infectious.

      • legal eagle

        How about the venereal disease you’re infected with?…..LOL

        • D Parri

          It would take a moron weasel like you to say a stupid comment like that. BTW, my VD is clear…is it still eating your face up?

    • legal eagle

      And you don’t think these interviews are edited for comic effect?

      • Tim Ned

        Of course. But it didn’t stop what was stated by those interviewed.

  • D Parri

    The disease of moronism is flourishing with the DamnedDems and their chief, Hussein Obama. It is expected that a great number of those who have lost all vision will never be cured. However, there are no plans for a memorial service.

  • legal eagle

    Seems like the racist element of the Tea Baggers are out in force now that they didn’t get their way in Congress…..Of course they don’t believe they are bigots…according to them they are just telling the truth….same excuse George Wallace used to use when people said he was a racist..

    • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

      Why do you use vile language? What are you, 15? Grow up. And of course members of the Tea Party are not bigots. Unless by bigots you mean people who believe we should all be treated equally rather than giving some groups preferential treatment. Now you be nice legal eagle.

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        Believe it or not, legal eagle is not 15 years old. Go figure, huh? ;)

        • legal eagle

          Have a problem with this comment John?
          Big Bad Jack KAG505

          • 5 hours ago • 1 0

          +

          Obama is NOT a black man. He is a half-black man. The term I used to hear for this was mulatto, probably no longer permitted by our P.C. masters. Calling a dog’s tail a leg doesn’t mean the pooch has 5 legs. I beileve President Lincoln quipped that one.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            A dumb comment for sure. Probably offensive, though I admit I’m not familiar with the term.

            I’m confused though… Don’t YOU throw out racially offensive comments like this all the time? Why do you suddenly care what I think about them?

          • D Parri

            Just to clarify:

            mulatto-
            the first-generation offspring of a black person and a white person
            ———-
            Spanish mulato, from mulo mule
            —————————————————————————-

            And, of course, a mule being a hybrid between a horse and a donkey.

            So, most people get it wrong when they refer to Obama as the first black president. He is the first MULLATO president, although he prefers his African heritage over his Caucasian heritage.

          • Josh

            Colloquially, though, “mulatto” has been replaced with “mixed,” where “mixed” may be applicable over calling someone “black,” in the same way “black” replaced “colored.”

            So it’s not an intentionally offensive term, but it’s certainly no longer PC.

        • D Parri

          Actually, no. Five maybe…but not 15.

      • legal eagle

        Have you read some of the racist comments? If these racist comments don’t bother you…they should…

        • D Parri

          Here’s a good one,

          “There was something about her that made me wary, a little too sure of herself, maybe and white.”

          Oh, wait…that was Hussein Obama, sorry.

      • D Parri

        Once the infected have been lost to this disease it is a very short path to travel for them to build their biases upon untruths and lies. In order to remove any intended sting from their approach towards others first requires recognizing their condition, i.e., the infection brought about by a plague of moronism first introduced by the Whitehouse and Pres 0.

      • legal eagle

        Dear Catholic Voter…Have a problem with this comment posted a few hours ago on this site?

        Big Bad Jack KAG505

        • 5 hours
        ago •

        Obama is NOT a black man. He is a half-black man. The term I used to hear for this was mulatto, probably no longer permitted by our P.C. masters. Calling a dog’s tail a leg doesn’t mean the pooch has 5 legs. I beileve President Lincoln quipped that one.

        • Jeff Webb

          LE,

          The only people who think this statement is racist could only be either A) unfamiliar with the definition, or B) desperate race-baiters.

          • legal eagle

            I understand that in Jeff Webb’s fantasy world there are white racists, no racist statements made by any right wingers and the race card is only played against white folks……Perhaps that’s why Republicans get such a small percentage of minority votes?

          • Jeff Webb

            You insult me if you think your petty little rant will distract from your challenge to catholicvoter.

            Back to my point, which I’d appreciate you not avoiding this time:

            Racism is essentially the belief that a person’s/people’s race dictates their superiority or inferiority to other ones; please point out in the comment you referenced where this is demonstrated, LE.

          • legal eagle

            It’s a little difficult to insult someone who cant se the obvious….If you don’t believe that the statement I quoted to Catholic voter is racist then that’s your opinion…

          • Jeff Webb

            I guess I should’ve included “…and I call no cop-outs!” in my comment.

            Whether or not I believe something is irrelevant; YOU’RE the one who made an accusation, not me. Your habit of posting falsehoods about others has gone from morally bankrupt to downright pathetic.

            I’ll make it simple for you, counselor: before you post your next accusation here, think it through and assume you’ll be challenged. You are capable of arguing your case, aren’t you?

          • legal eagle

            Always happy to be challenged as long as it goes both ways…

          • Jeff Webb

            Please explain that, after you finally quit stalling & back up your accusation.

      • D Parri

        If you understand his point, then I would appreciate it if you could share that with me. I believe it is like everything else. Either there is no point or he’s attempting to paint a lie as a truth.

    • Tim Ned

      Same old story. If you disagree with this president you are a racists. At least come up with something new!

      • legal eagle

        If you make racist statements , you may be a racist….Disagree all you want…

      • D Parri

        It’s the SOS…the Weasel has a few inflammatory sounding arguments that he keeps repeating. No amount of logic or reason will ever do any good. He is an idiot.

    • Lc Goodfellow

      Hey Crow, you seen Bevis ? And the Preacher has a story for you.
      All about a train ride for ‘Thee’

    • Tim

      Here it comes the name calling the belittling, heaven forbid you win an argument on the merits and the facts. When in doubt, when you’re loosing, pull the race card, pull the victim card, Pull the boo hoo sympathy card and the bleeding hearts abandon logic for the instant gratification of doing something, anything, that will ease the ache in their guilt ridden hearts. Doesn’t matter if the program works, they just know they did Something. And dumped the cost on everyone. No I’m not a racist because I think liberal policies are self defeating. Because I disagree with Obama, You would make me I a card carrying member of the KKK. I don’t know about you, but when I went to school and we looked at the neural system in humans, nowhere was it stated that in black men all thought passed through the melanin in their skin before it passed their lips. It’s not the color fool, it’s the man’s character. All men being equal Obama should not get a pass because he’s black. And you shouldn’t be throwing the race card every time someone disagrees about Obama’s policies.

      • Barancy Peloma

        tim- the race card has been the very foundation for attacking dissension from day one. if they let you take that from them, their whole house of cards collapses.

        • D Parri

          It is an inflammatory issue (race) that is used to raise the banner of self righteous indignation. There is sometimes an advantage of extended traction in the employment of such techniques in the public forum. However, the desired effect is sometimes returned in reverse to the authors of these false arguments.

    • TheOriginalDonald

      You ARE aware Wallace was a Democrat, don’t you?

      • legal eagle

        So?

        • TheOriginalDonald

          Democrats are the real RACISTS. Try and keep up, skippy.

  • D Parri

    I shared this with Shane.
    I used to listen to Glenn Beck before he left the FOX network, and I remember thinking that he was starting to sound extreme–beyond the pale. He claimed that Obama’s desire to “fundamentally transform” America meant that he had a strategy and a plan. That plan involved “breaking the backs” of the current establishment and rebuild the country using premises that have never been a foundation for our country. The socialization of government, healthcare, and the economy would be needed to transform America into a nation totally different from where we live now. (maybe “Obamaca”?)

    As I continue to watch Obama sell his policy measures one-by-one it is clear that Mr. Beck was not far from the mark when he made those comments about five years ago. Take heed, America

    • legal eagle

      Didn’t beck also say that Obama hated white people?

      • D Parri

        Beats me. Whatever you want to support…say it.

      • Lc Goodfellow

        I bought and read Obama’s book, Audacity of Hope. It was difficult to read considering his attitude toward us and everything American. Let me add a phrase he used to describe his attitude toward whites.
        He harbors a “COIL OF RAGE”.
        His words not mine.

        From Dreams From My Father:
        “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.”

        From Dreams From My Father:
        “I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.”

        From Dreams From My Father:
        “There was something about her that made me wary, a little too sure of herself, maybe and white.”
        ………..and most scary:
        From Audacity of Hope:
        “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly
        direction.”
        I don’t care whether you are a Democrat, a Republican, a Conservative or a liberal, be aware of the

        attitude and character of this sitting President.

        • legal eagle

          Those colored people are so ungrateful….

          • D Parri

            How would you know?

          • Jeff Webb

            Obama’s book was quoted, LE. Whether or not Beck was spot-on, there is a lot more evidence of Obama being anti-white than any of this site’s accused being anti-black.

          • legal eagle

            What a bunch of nonsense….I didn’t say the site was anti- black.I said some of the morons who make comments on this site are racists…
            If you want to defend racism and bigotry that’s your choice.

          • Jeff Webb

            >>I didn’t say the site was anti- black.I said some of the morons who make comments on this site are racists…<<

            Comprehend much?
            Here again is what I said, and try focusing this time:
            "…there is a lot more evidence of Obama being anti-white than ANY OF THIS SITE'S ACCUSED being anti-black."

            Gee, if only there were someone around here whose line of work or education would familiarize them with the word "accused," they could explain it to you.

          • legal eagle

            So you expect me to preface my remarks with terms like alleged, accused, indicted but not convicted and hypothetically?

          • Jeff Webb

            No, I expect you to have basic reading comprehension. That, or show me where I claimed you said this site was anti-black.

            I also hope that you save straw crap like “those colored people are so ungrateful….” for some other site. It’s impossible to describe just how stupid a response that was to Goodfellow’s comment.

          • legal eagle

            It’s called sarcasm….Don’t they use that in the tech business? It’s used a lot in the legal world…

          • Jeff Webb

            No, LE, you weren’t being sarcastic when you misinterpreted my comments. I never claimed you said this entire site is anti-black. What I did was point out that BO, unlike this site’s visitors, actually has made bigoted statements.
            It seems like libs require exactly two things in order for something to be racist: 1) it has to show no intent, whether clear or ambiguous, and 2) it has to come from a conservative or Republican.

            Give me a sign that you get it now, maybe something other than a personal attack or diversion from BO’s quotes.

      • D Parri

        Beck said it? Support your proposal. Lc (below) has shown you how to do that by quoting from Obama’s published work. Ironically, it appears that Pres 0 provides his own acknowledgement of this sentiment.

        • legal eagle

          Jul 29, 2009 – He said Obama has exposed himself as a person with “a deep-seated hatred for white people or the … “I’m not saying he doesn’t like white people,” Beck said. … There is the professor friend as well(who openly hates whites).
          You can Google Beck’s comments…

          • D Parri

            How much exposition is contained in your own published works? How deep-seated is a reflection from one’s childhood–regarding his heritage coming from a white mother? He did not want to advertise it, to be certain.

  • Kathy Carlson

    Thanks Bernie! I couldn’t agree with you more about the importance, in times of crisis, of stating the obvious. President Obama is a scary man. At this point, “scary” is best word I can come up with. When I hear him on tv speaking about the “horrible” other party, I hear thinly veiled contempt for all Americans that do not believe in his agenda. I have come to change channels quickly because listening to him gives me an uneasy feeling in the pit of my stomach. I fear we have a president that doesn’t care about us.

    • D Parri

      Until the cure is found there will be an ongoing decline in the health of our nation during the current plague. The current disease–as referenced by H.L. Mencken–of moronism is extremely infectious and will cause total blindness to all senses of logic and truth.

      Apparently, the only cure (hopefully) is the cold, stark reality of truth when the personal experiences of those infected absolutely contradict what they have been told during their disease. Partial vision is reported to return in some cases.

    • legal eagle

      Try some Pepto Bismol and stop eating the garbage Fox News is feeding you…

      • Kathy Carlson

        I get my “garbage” from a variety of networks (thank you very much). Whose garbage are you eating?

        • D Parri

          I see Wesel doing that all the time. Matter of fact, it appears that he is a real garbage mouth.

  • D Parri

    Also from H.L.Mencken, “…the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” How true, the future is now.

    Unfortunately for our country is the continued success of Obama in his proselytization of America. I’ve stated before that he is one hell of an insurance salesman. Once again he has sold the nation a policy that is doomed to failure, and at the same time he has convinced them to borrow more money to pay for it.

    Moronism is apparently infectious condition. We can only hope that a cure will be found before it is too late.

  • Shane

    I agree 100%. Obama is getting off easy with the press because he is a black liberal and if anyone dares to criticize Obama, some libs will call him or her a racist. It’s too bad that so many Americans are paralyzed by fear of being called a racist to tell how they really feel about Obama.

    • legal eagle

      No one on this site seems to mind making racist or homophobic statements.. Obviously you don’t either…

    • D Parri

      Least of all Weasel. It’s great fodder for him to chew.

  • Paul Courtney

    Bernie: Wonder if Mencken’s ordinary American had today’s progressive press to inform them? Here’s the scariest part-In Mencken’s day, ordinary Joe had several news sources, each with a level of info (and bad info), but he had a better shot at sorting out the truth than today’s ordinary Justin. Just today, my local AP newspaper showed picture of Fed workers taking down Lincoln Mem’l barricades. Newspaper (and NPR, as far as I listened) had totally blacked out vets pulling down barricades, never asked why open air parks had to be barricaded at all; only stories on shutdown was how fed workers struggled through their days off (never using two words, “non” and “essential”) and how much business lost by the hot dog vendors in front of federal office bldgs (seems non-essential fed. workers buy alot of baloney). Today’s ordinary Justin, who gets news from networks, paper, or J Stewart, has no chance of sorting out that bad idea pushed by select Republicans was made far worse than necessary by Obama admin, which could be confident press would not ask, “how can gov’t still run into debt ceiling if it’s shutdown?” All he’ll ever see is the first part, about bad Republicans. In Mencken’s day at least his readers would have seen some absurd stories on,say, cost of closing park so much more than doing nothing. If Mencken’s Americans better informed than today’s, we’re in trouble. When will it get better, after we’re all speaking mandarin?

  • SkyCitizen

    Stepin Fetchit parlayed the black stereotype of his day into a million dollar success story. President Obama did it by simply being black in a population of ready victims primed by the Democrat Party for 80 years. He was the catalyst that made the victimhood bomb go off. If President Obama was a ultra-liberal white candidate the electorate wouldn’t have given him a second look. He would have appeared as just another for-sale Chicago democrat. Mencken was wrong. American’s are usually good at picking presidents because citizens generally are smart enough to know when they’re uninformed and stay home, leaving the voting to those who follow politics. Emotion got the best of them this time and they are paying the price. If Stepin Fetchit was alive in 2009 he might have made a good candidate but alas the word character has been stricken from the American language.

  • Ken Dicus

    Obama is fulfilling the one promise he made to his Muslim step-father and that is to take down America by increasing the debt to $20 trillion. Then the dollar will b e worthless and he will achieve what the terriorists cannot do with their bombs.

    • D Parri

      Ken, I first sent this to Shane. I want to send it to you because it is in the same vein. Also, I have comments regarding Obama’s infectious disease that is now plaguing the nation. Please check them out.

      I used to listen to Glenn Beck before he left the FOX network, and I remember thinking that he was starting to sound extreme–beyond the pale. He claimed that Obama’s desire to “fundamentally transform” America meant that he had a strategy and a plan. That plan involved “breaking the backs” of the current establishment and rebuild the country using premises that have never been a foundation for our country. The socialization of government, healthcare, and the economy would be needed to transform America into a nation totally different from where we live now. (maybe “Obamaca”?)

      As I continue to watch Obama sell his policy measures one-by-one it is clear that Mr. Beck was not far from the mark when he made those comments about five years ago. Take heed, America.

      • http://theromancatholicvote.com/ catholicvoter

        My husband used to say Beck was a little overkill in his predictions, but I found Beck to be an interesting and smart man. I didn’t know if he was right about the things he said, but I really liked him when he was on FOX. He was a lot better than The Five, which, I believe, is what replaced him.

        • D Parri

          Yes, I watched Mr. Beck regularly to start with, but it seemed that he became more extreme in his views. I guess the irony is that I now think that he was essentially correct and not mistaken with his assessments of Obama’s proposed tenets for fundamentally transforming America.

  • luvGodcountry

    This guy blames everyone else. Takes credit that’s not his, blames others, when its his doing. Crazy. Who supports this guy? Feels like Twilight Zone time, that never ends.

  • KAG505

    Bernie forgot one important statement not made by Mr. Mencken, that surely applies to the voters in this country.

    “We have met the enemy… and he is us”
    Walt Kelly.

  • Barjandor

    Really good article, Mr. Goldberg. Seeing the President, either Thursday or Friday of last week, spewing his ideology, while simultaneously preparing bologna sandwiches, seemed appropriate.

  • w

    Mencken is right

  • Celsius1939a

    The people hate Republicans because they are generally stupid. They support Obobo because they are generally stupid. They hate Obobcare, but will not do anything about it because they are generally stupid. The bad end is coming, so let them get exactly what they deserve.

    • JohnHD

      Everyting Obama is doing is planed. His one objection is the keep borrowing money until we finially have to go bankrupt. Then he will have achieves just what he wanted, the total subjetcation of the people. Look how simular his taticts are to thise Hitler used to bring the germans under conplete control. Shutting down entities that were totaly unnecessary. Obamacar, his distain of religion and trequent use of the supposed power of ecexcutive power to tweek thew connstitution (That congress has let him get away with without filing for inteachment). Mael my words with in a couple od years thw government will have to file for bankruptsy unless the true patriots get this clown and his lemming out of office3.

      • Shane

        Don’t be so hard on Obama, he could be failing because of a rigid ideology and gross incompetence, not because of a plan to hurt America.

        • D Parri

          I used to listen to Glenn Beck before he left the FOX network, and I remember thinking that he was starting to sound extreme–beyond the pale. He claimed that Obama’s desire to “fundamentally transform” America meant that he had a strategy and a plan. That plan involved “breaking the backs” of the current establishment and rebuild the country using premises that have never been a foundation for our country. The socialization of government, healthcare, and the economy would be needed to transform America into a nation totally different from where we live now. (maybe “Obamaca”?)

          As I continue to watch Obama sell his policy measures one-by-one it is clear that Mr. Beck was not far from the mark when he made those comments about five years ago. Take heed, America.

    • legal eagle

      So anyone who doesn’t agree with you is stupid? What an idiotic statement..

      • Celsius1939a

        You are one of those who will get what you deserve. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who will get what they didn’t deserve.

    • D Parri

      Well, we know that some cannot recognize reality even now. Reality will not be a cure for them–they are doomed.

  • Ed I

    One thing Mr. Goldberg left out was the fact that the Republicans and conservatives in general have not put up an adequate fight. However, they have a huge hill to climb even when truth, justice and the American way are on their side. The Republican do have smart, well spoken members but every time one stands up the media goes on the attack and stay on the attack until the person shuts up and sits down. Even Fox News, which gives far more air time to Republicans than the rest of the media, strives so hard to be so fair and balanced that they make the Republican and conservative leaders sound less than adequate. Conservative talking heads don’t help much. Goldberg has one thing right, the American people, even smart ones, pay little attention to what is going on in D.C. until it impacts them directly. Many actually believe that somehow the self proclaimed experts in government must know better than they do. I got news for everyone government is the last place to look for wise, smart and unbiased people. They are not even hiding their candle under a basket to be found accidentally. Yet all one has to do is look at the record, the disaster after disaster brought to us by the Left wing of the Democratic Party, which now run the party, to convince one self never ever to vote for any Democrat ever again. Just the list of cities that are basket cases and soon on national taxpayer’s life support should be all it takes. The only people benefit from Democratic policies are the Democratic elite. Even those that support them don’t make the list of worries for Democrats. Why? Democrats are so yellow dog in their voting habits they believe all that is said bad about Republicans, conservatives and even independents. If I don’t have to worry about getting your vote when you go to the polls why should I help or give you anything.

    • 4Deuce

      Bernie makes some good points and cites most things here more than accurately. Unfortunately, he seems to think it is bad for Pelosi, Reid, Obama and there minions to call GOPers rather slanderous names (jihadists, terrorists, arsonists, etc) when his own words spoken against Ted Cruz and real conservatives (the suicide wing of the GOP is a phrase he used this past week) seems just as extreme in their nature. I used to greatly enjoy Bernie’s insights. But lately he has been just mean spirited in tossing out incendiary names for those in the GOP who do not pass his muster politically. Hell, I read a headline just yesterday than none other than Mike Huckabee is doing the same thing by criticizing those standing up to resist ObamaCare and then, when criticized for it, told his critics to “Get over it.” Get over it? Public air wave pundits who toss insulting terms our way or suggest that because our political strategies do not align with theirs makes us deserving of being spoken of as just plain “Bad” people is a curious strategy to keep the base of people who watch their programs or read their written opinions. Sure, Bernie and Mike, we can agree to disagree. But why need you stoop to calling us names – just as Obama, Pelosi and Reid do?

      • Shane

        Only Obama has done more to hurt the GOP than the selfish Cruz.

    • JMax

      “Even Fox News, which gives far more air time to Republicans than the
      rest of the media, strives so hard to be so fair and balanced that they
      make the Republican and conservative leaders sound less than adequate.”

      Excuse me, I just got up off the floor having fallen out of my chair laughing at the above comment. If Republicans and conservative leaders sound less than adequate after being featured on Fox News, then they are beyond hope.

      • Lc Goodfellow

        Here’s a guy that came out of nowhere, an African-American senator who had accomplished nothing, had no experience, somehow hypnotized millions of people into voting for him and then gets into the White House and it’s the first time we’ve ever seen anything like this:
        an amateur in the White House.

        • JMax

          Came out of nowhere? Hawaii, Columbia, Harvard Law, attorney in civil rights law firm, Constitutional Law professor at University of Chicago Law School, twice elected Illinois State Senator, US Senator, published author.

          Accomplished nothing? Had no experience?

          Won presidential election. Passed successful Stimulus to halt recession. Passed health care reform after presidents since Teddy Roosevelt had failed. Ended the Iraq War. Approved mission that killed OBL. Ended DADT. Passed Wall Street reform. Turned around automobile industry. Won re-election.

          Not bad for an amateur.

        • D Parri

          H. L. Mencken wrote that eventually “the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

          I don’t see any argument between HLM’s comment and your last line of your comment.

  • gbandy

    Words can comeback to
    haunt us.

    The Quote of the Decade:

    “The fact that we
    are here today to debate raising

    America’s
    debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign

    that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we

    now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to

    finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing

    America’s
    debt weakens us domestically and internationally.

    Leadership means that, ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is

    shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our

    children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a
    failure

    of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

    ~ Senator Barack
    H. Obama, March 2006

    • RoscoeBonifitucci

      He is a Fraud, Liar and Hypocrite.

  • zebraD

    What a train wreck of a president! Those who voted for him and now are upset with his health care program costs are getting exactly what they asked for. Can’t wait for him to explain that the republicans are responsible for those high costs.

    • JMax

      Do you have any significant evidence that any but a very few people who voted for Obama are upset with Obamacare?

  • 633

    Accurate, but perhaps incomplete. The GOP opposition to the leftward march is ineffectual. There is no logical GOP spokesman who inspires confidence. When Mitch Daniels opted out the GOP Presidential field was left to Romney (the rest were dissonant background). A good man, but not a talented politician. Ryan is the most effective figure on the national horizon, and he-rationally-has kept a low profile, understanding the prevailing GOP strategy-if it can be dignified with that term-of Cruz et.al. was a non starter.. At any rate Obama is a talented and obviously unscrupulous politician, and you can’t beat somebody with nobody. I agree the electorate has a high compliment of low information voters, and ethnicity has helped. But before I follow the team I have to have someone and something to cheer for. Who and what?

    • 4Deuce

      We (the Republican Party) could run a coat rack and win the Presidency if we had every TV network news show and big city newspaper fawning over our guy while hiding or covering up all of his flaws and covering up or not reporting on his blatant lies. GOP candidates must do combat with their Democrat opponents AND the entire MSM news machine who serve as cheerleaders and defenders for ALL Democrats – no matter how bad they are. Romney was no perfect candidate. But I am tired of hearing that he was so so so flawed. He was targeted for defeat by the MSM who worked in league with Lib Dems to destroy him in any way they could. Compared to Obama, Romney was Albert Einstein, Henry Ford and Dr Schweitzer all rolled into on. He was not perfect, but at least 300%more qualified than Obama to sit in the Oval Office.

      • 633

        Romney was certainly a better choice, but he was not a better politician. I concur any GOP national candidate starts with a proverbial 800 pound gorilla on his back given the media context (which I think is getting worse actually). And that context was/is hugely exaggerated for the current incumbent. As an example they let him get away with his silly ” war on women ” meme’ (can you imagine the response to a similar nonsense presentation by a Republican?). But that’s the way it is. And it graphically illustrates that the GOP has to have an exceptionally competent candidate to withstand the media imposed negatives. If Hillary is the candidate we can look forward to another broadside of subliminal support based solely on her appeal as a gender based candidate..

  • RoscoeBonifitucci

    We needed a bigger-than-life President – we got a Dope smoking, Coke snorting, Radical Left wing Chicago thug that has spend his life surrounded and tutored by American hating racists, terrorist and Marxist!

    We needed a well-grounded stable President – we got a certifiable narcissist.

    We needed bold leadership – we got a teleprompter

    We needed a seasoned hand – we got a hand in in our pockets

    We needed a champion for American citizens… We got hate for the Makers and a champion for the Takers and love for the uneducated horde of invading Welfare Democrats.

    We needed a skilled bridge builder – we got a class-warfare specialist and inciter-in-chief.

    We needed practical, proven policies – we got socialist dogma and monumental waste

    We needed an inspirational visionary – we got an ideologically blinded, left learning-impaired radical.

    We needed a Constitutional champion – we got a domestic enemy of the Constitution.

    We needed a restrained, respected and intimidating warrior – we got groveling, bowing, Barney Fife

    We needed a patriot – we got G. D. America, G. D. America, G. D. America.

    We needed someone to unshackle our economy – we got someone who is a friend to our enemies and an enemy to our businesses.

    We needed a president beyond color – we got a green president embracing every whim and myth ever spoken by the kook environmental fringe.

    We needed mature, principled leadership – we got a petulant, lying, whining, blaming, sulking, accusing, excusing, lazy, cowardly, man-child.

    It is a national disgrace that someone this Lazy, this Incompetent, This Corrupt, This Racist, and a American hating Socialist could be elected to the office of the Presidency.

    • D Parri

      I’m worried that only another insurance salesman could rally the masses. Is it going to take someone who is willing to lie and make wild promises and “free lunches” for everybody? I hope not, but I’m concerned that so many Americans have become infected by Obama’s disease–moronism. Read my comments.

    • legal eagle

      You sound jealous of Obama…. Hope your hate keeps you warm at night…

    • D Parri

      Keep the candle burning, it looks like a long, dark path we are on.

    • Vivian

      Excellent…
      Thank you,
      Vivian

    • JJ

      Unfortunately you are right! More unfortunate , we got EXACTLY what over half of the American people wanted. No one was deceived the second time around. I believe that this is to be the ongoing trend for our future”leaders”. It speaks to us of the mindset of the “average” American .
      Obama uses race to his advantage. He has control of the American people and it s elected officials through the very thing we all claim to hate. I don’t believe he knew how “black” he was until he became President. He control through racism. HE is the racist.

  • David Levitsky

    I like the article- but I take exception to Obama’s approval ratings being higher then W’s at this stage in each terms. That is simply note the case. If you compare Obama’s and W’s approval rating for their first 5 years in office (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/presidential-approval-center.aspx), W’s have been consistently higher- or withing 1-2 percentage points.

    Today
    he’s the most polarizing president in memory, and thanks to the
    American people, his approval ratings, though not as high as they once
    were, are still the kind W would have killed for. – See more at:
    http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/one-promise-mr-obama-trying-keep/#sthash.yXI9krT9.dpuf
    Today
    he’s the most polarizing president in memory, and thanks to the
    American people, his approval ratings, though not as high as they once
    were, are still the kind W would have killed for. – See more at:
    http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/one-promise-mr-obama-trying-keep/#sthash.yXI9krT9.dpuf
    Today
    he’s the most polarizing president in memory, and thanks to the
    American people, his approval ratings, though not as high as they once
    were, are still the kind W would have killed for. – See more at:
    http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/one-promise-mr-obama-trying-keep/#sthash.yXI9krT9.dpuf

    • Bernie

      My point, David, which I thought I made clearly was that Obama’s approval rating now is something W would envy. I wasn’t trying to make a point re approval at the same time in each one’s presidency.

      • D Parri

        Bernie,

        Let me add another one from HLM.

        From H.L.Mencken: “…the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

        How true, the future is now.

  • RoscoeBonifitucci

    The Dim Wits called Low Information Voters got that Jackass Obama Elected Twice! …and now they are bitching about how unfair Obamacare is. If this weren’t my beloved country they screwed up, I could care less about the mess they made and the 3rd World Dung Heap they like to sleep on. But I love America like most Patriots…and will fight to return Sovereignty to where it belongs, to We The People.

    • JMax

      Which Obama voters are bitching about how unfair Obamacare is?

      • Tim

        Wait for it sir, They can’t bitch about it yet because they can’t see how much they’re getting screwed, until Barry fixes his awesome web sight. But, I assure you it’s coming. This law along with pretty much everything Barry has done will be undone.

        • JMax

          I’m reading many good reviews about the insurance plans people have been able to sign up for on the exchanges. To date over 247,000 families have signed up for Obamacare just on the exchanges run by states that have opted into Obamacare, so that doesn’t count what has happened so far on the national exchange.

          I don’t know who “Barry” is but I do know that people said Obama would never be reelected. How did that turn out?

          • Tim

            I’m sure you are on msnbc, the Huffington post and wherever else like minded individuals such as yourself go to for the latest Biased information. Just get a pencil and a piece of paper and using common sense, do the math. This system counts on the young and healthy to throw away their money when they’re not sick or pay a fine and buy the insurance when they need it. With high deductibles the plans are useless. With fines lower than the cost of insurance They are an inconvenience rather than an incentive. The only people signing up in droves are the unhealthy the expensive people. But, hey that’s ok the liberals will just throw some money at it and raise taxes some more.

          • JMax

            I have a variety of news sources. I’m quite well-informed. I even watch Fox News to make sure my IQ doesn’t surge too high.

            Yes, the ACA system, like ALL insurance systems relies on people who don’t use benefits to help pay for those who do. But it is just as likely that young, healthy people will realize the value of health care coverage even if they are less likely use it. Remember, we aren’t talking about 18 and 19 year-olds. Most of them are covered on their parents’ policies. These are people who are 26 and older, starting careers, often getting insurance from their employers, and starting families. A lot of these people are smart enough to know that they can be hit by a train or contract a deadly disease, or develop cancer. And though they can get coverage with an pre-existing condition, they can’t just “buy it when they need it.” They can only get it during open enrollment. So, broken leg? “Oh, s**t!”. Unexpected pregnancy? “Oh. F**k me!” Burst appendix? “I’m screwed!”

            But since sign ups on ACA exchanges have only been going on for about two weeks, it is pure conjecture that this key segment will pay fines instead of obtaining coverage.

          • D Parri

            Hey, take a chance…try to “make a conjecture”. Prognostication is sometimes a valuable tool.

          • legal eagle

            Amazing how you know all these “facts”. If people don’t sign up it’s bad…if people do sign up it’s bad…According to your logic, no matter what occurs its very very bad……LOL

          • Tim

            That’s ok keep laughing. Numbers don’t lie. Statistics do. But I don’t think you can twist the math enough to make the ACA work. The projected costs are already way over initial estimates, add the unusable web sights to the equation. Then a little bit of common sense, young people think they are invincible. If they have a choice between their social life and the ACA, they will weigh the odds of needing the insurance against the overall cost of the insurance or the fine imposed and the option to buy it whenever they need it. Nobody thinks they’re going to get hit buy a car in their younger years. What does common sense dictate these people will due? Throw away thousands on the slim chance they will get ill or pay a miniscule fine. Human Nature does not change.

          • D Parri

            I’ve already looked into all options available. The best I could find carries the potential of requiring me to spend 76% of my income–I am on limited, fixed income these days. High deductibles, almost reasonable premiums, and higher than normal co-pays raise the costs tremendously.

            Where are all those government subsidies that are supposed to reduce my costs to the cost of a cell phone? They are not around. Oh, take that back, all I need to do is either get elected to Congress or get hired by the Whitehouse. Then I’ll be eligible for the subsidies!

          • legal eagle

            Aren’t you on Medicare? Fixed income? You’re lucky you have a roof over your head…

    • D Parri

      They are infected with the disease of moronism…it has been spreading via Obama and other diseased party members. Read my comments.

  • John H

    Wow, for once I don’t take issue with anything Bernie said!

    • legal eagle

      Exactly…As long as Bernie is back on the bash Obama train his readers once again agree with him….kinda predictable?

      • FightThePower

        Since when is stating facts considered bashing? Oh, whoops, I see you’re an attorney. Facts don’t matter, only “winning” for your side. Dipsh*t.

        • D Parri

          FTP, I think it is pretty obvious that Legal Weasel is infected. He has that same disease that started in the WH.

      • Vivian

        Not as predictable are you…

        • D Parri

          Maintain your vision of the truth…it is the only defense against the disease which has already taken Weasel as a casualty.

    • Vivian

      You are coming around!!!
      Love it,
      Vivian

  • Josh

    I’m not too sure that the Americans still supporting Obama are blind to the man’s faults. I really don’t believe they’re unintelligent voters, at least for Obama V 2.0, who ticked his box because of his promises. What I find to be more likely is that there are many Americans just like Obama.

    Bitterly partisan, exceedingly stubborn, incredibly selfish, inherently whiny, and overtly duplicitous. They’ve been pushed through a system that demands and rewards that, through their liberal universities, hard-left workplace environments, progressive social circles, and the entertainment they watch and listen to. They know full well what the deal is. They wear the mask of fairness when called to task, acting as if they play no part in America’s divide, and then flaunt the mask of uncivil authoritarianism when it’s time to cozy up to party allies and lay blame entirely on the enemy.

    Sure, a lot of people just have no clue what’s going on. But many do. They just don’t care, because being a liberal and blaming the world’s collective ills on conservatives and Republicans (old white men and subservient women, as the see it) is a requirement — and one these folks happily fulfill.

    If I were to rework that quote for 2013, I’d say not to underestimate the pervasiveness of progressive liberalism in the culture today, especially amongst the youth who, in large numbers, hate the opposition with a burning passion.

    • Floridastorm

      Josh……….You are obviously a very aware person with great insight. Could not have said it better myself and, in fact, could not have said it as well. I have a good friend who is conservative as I am. He keeps trying to convince me that things will change and that this country will return to the way it used to be many years ago. I keep telling him that this country is way past returning to what it used to be, in the opposite direction. We on the right or center right are now in the minority. The vote for Romney 47% is as close as we are ever going to get. Along with the Leftist universities, socialist public school system, Hollywood propaganda, and a news media that is a branch of the democrat party, we have 125,000 legal immigrants entering this country every month. 80% are from the third world including many from the Muslim world. Thousands of student and work visa are issued monthly. Many of these people never leave the US as they are supposed to. Now the attempt to make 11 million illegal aliens American citizens. Most, if not all, of these entities will be democrat voters. We on the right will then become irrelevant. I’m really too old to care anymore what happens to this country that my forefathers built. A few years ago I built a western style house in Thailand and I am seriously considering moving to it.

      • Josh

        I don’t know if I have any real insight, but I do appreciate the compliment! lol

        I just know that I must be on to something here. I have a few down thumbs, but no refutation of my take. My guess: Folks who don’t like that I’m saying it still can’t disagree that they hate the opposition, view the opposition as whites-only, view the world’s problems as caused by Republicans, and their workplace environments and social circles are made up primarily of like-minded people who also share that hatred for the opposition.

    • D Parri

      Read my comments, moronism is an infectious condition. It was introduced with Barack Hussein Obama, and it has spread wildly throughout our nation. The only cure is, unfortunately, reality as related through the personal travails and experiences of the diseased.

    • Bob Olden

      When you put together all those “progressive” influences in our culture today, it truly seems impossible that the conservative influences could counterbalance them. And, given the decline in civil discourse and responsible compromise in government, the leftist majority becomes thuggish. There is no authoritative voice to moderate this trend. One dreams of a truly unbiased free press that would step up to the plate and expose what is going on, but the left has commandeered them too.

  • sjangers

    We seem to be at the point where many American voters expect politicians to lie. The ones who suffer for it are those who don’t do it artfully, those who aren’t likeable, and those who tell the American people things they don’t want to hear.

  • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

    I find practically everything that comes out of our president’s mouth these day to be audacious. I never cease to be amazed how this guy is so comfortable taking credit for things he adamantly opposed.

    And even in a fantasy world in which our president was 100% to thank for this year’s deficit reduction, how can someone honestly be proud of dropping the deficit by 50% after first increasing it by 400% (his averages vs Bush’s)?

    Unreal.

    • legal eagle

      You found everything Obama said to be audacious since January 21, 2009…..

      • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

        Did I say that?

        • Jed54

          I think you did

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Then you’re as foolish as legal eagle.

          • Wil

            Are you still denying Bush left our country, in a mess?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            When did I ever deny that?

          • OntheMark

            It’s always ignored but Clinton left Bush a mess too. Go back and look. He started with well above 7.5% unemployment but got it down into the 4′s. Bubbles and messes happen. As to who’s fault they are – That’s for history to determine.

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Perhaps more notably, Clinton left Bush with Osama Bin Laden, and a strong Al Quaeda network whose 9/11 attack plan was very much in the works. Imagine if Clinton had nabbed him when he was given the chance. How much different would this country be today?

            Lots of presidents come into office when things are bad. Look at what Reagan had to deal with. Only Obama, however, spent his entire first term blaming his predecessor for all of the problems that he, himself, was elected to fix and didn’t.

          • legal eagle

            You have a strange sense of economic history especially regarding Reagan…..did you forget someone named Paul Volker?

          • D Parri

            Is that the same one that served under Carter and Reagan? That would be the one who proposed implementing a European-style value-added, or ‘sales’, tax. Correct?

          • Josh

            Only replying to D Parri because it’s the end of the exchange.

            I felt I’d be doing myself a disservice to not offer up a LOL at the strawman fest. I realize we’re close to Halloween, but I figured vampires were still the rage this year, not scarecrows.

          • D Parri

            Ok, LOL. Just be wary, the Democrats want to suck your blood! (i.e., higher taxes)

          • Josh

            A guy told me at the poker table one time, “You can’t draw blood from a stone.” My reply: “What about a kidney stone?”

            Bloodsuckers will find a way! You can’t hide money from liberal Democrats. They get you coming and going.

            What they do with the money, I have no idea. I’m convinced at this point that they just don’t want other people to have any.

          • D Parri

            Maybe it’s the old “redistribution of wealth” thing going on with them. Since it is getting near that Halloween hour I guess I’ll offer up one on the lighter side.

            Q: How do you tell if a vampire is a Democrat or a Republican?

            A: A Democrat vampire keeps talking about the ‘redistribution of blood’!

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            What does Paul Volcker have to do with anything I wrote?

          • D Parri

            Yeah.

          • legal eagle

            Paul Volcker, a Democrat, was appointed chairman of the board of governors for the Federal Reserve System in August 1979 by President Jimmy Carter and reappointed in 1983 by President Ronald Reagan.

            The Federal Reserve board led by Volcker is widely credited with ending the United States’ stagflation crisis of the 1970s. Inflation, which peaked at 13.5% in 1981, was lowered to 3.2% by 1983.

            The Federal Reserve board led by Volcker raised the federal funds rate, which had averaged 11.2% in 1979, to a peak of 20% in June 1981. The prime rate rose to 21.5% in 1981 as well. Thus, the unemployment rate became up over 10%. The economy was restored since the tight-money policy was over in 1982. According to William Silber [15] “His policy of preemptive restraint during the economic upturn after 1983 increased real interest rates and pushed Congress and the president to adopt a plan [the 1985 Gramm-Rudman-Hollings bill] to balance the budget. The combination of sound monetary and fiscal integrity sustained the goal of price stability.”

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Still waiting to hear what this has to do with anything I wrote?

          • legal eagle

            Bush “got it down” to 4% unemployment by hiring government workers after 9/11…didn’t complain about that did you?

          • OntheMark

            First – I never complained about anything – just reminded of a fact. Second – Bush and all Presidents hire govy workers. I doubt that Bush hired 20+ million, which was his jobs record.

          • D Parri

            Remember, Weasel is afflicted with the disease of his leader, Obama. As he sees it, he has no use for the truth.

          • legal eagle

            President Obama has been called a job-killer and worse. But in his over four years in office, Obama has already presided over the net creation of more American jobs than did his predecessor, George W. Bush, in his eight in the White House. That’s the conclusion of a new analysis released Tuesday by Factcheck.org, the nonpartisan voter advocacy website.

            What are you talking about regarding Bush?

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Actually read a little history. Have you not noticed Democrats would NOT support Larry Summers for Fed chief? Have you not wondered why??? Because he was a key architect of repealing Glass-Steagal and then by bypassing State anti-gaming statutes at Wall streets request. Democratic leaders know all too well who actually crashed the economy. Clinton, Greenspan, and Clinton’s Wall street cronies. Bush’s main fault lay in fighting 911 terrorist’s and believing Greenspan, when he told him the economy was on a permanent roll.

          • legal eagle

            Still harping on Glass-Steagall?

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Since Clinton turned free market enterprises into a casino, yes I’m still harping on it. A casino by the way that donates untold millions to Democrats. A casino that lets the top 1% of the top 1% get richer and richer. While the poor get poorer and poorer. Requiring more and more welfare and other entitlements, leaving a shrinking middle class along with their children and their grandchildren to pay the bill. Now I know for you comrade,this is a happy state of affairs, but for those of us who believe in an aspirational society, not so much.

          • D Parri

            I am here to encourage you…continue to fight this disease infecting Weasel and others. Promote the truth and don’t lose your vision of reality.

          • D Parri

            I am here to encourage you…continue to fight this disease infecting Weasel and others. Promote the truth and don’t lose your vision of reality.

          • D Parri

            Brian, just to warn you about Weasel, he is infected with Obama’s disease, moronism. He’s actually lost all vision of truth and reality and it is not expected that he will improve. Check out some of my other comments.

            BTW, did you like my feeble attempt at

          • legal eagle

            Why would anyone check out your repetitive, non -factual arguments? You’re like O’Reilly… keep repeating talking points and everyone will believe them…
            Still waiting to hear why Obama cannot grant waivers or exemptions on the ACA….

          • Wil

            Were the Republican Party involved in any way, in repealing the Glass-Steagal law?

          • Brian Fr Langley

            So we can blame Republican legislators for Clinton’s mess, but leave Democrat legislators out of Bush’s??? Typical Liberal argument. It’s always the Presidents fault if he’s Republican, and always the Republicans fault if he’s a Democrat? The question you want to ask is WHY Democrats would NOT support Larry Summers? Because Democratic “LEADERSHIP” know who’s at fault even if their duped comrades do not.

          • Wil

            Again, Were the Republican Party involved in any way, in repealing the Glass-Steagal law? That was the question.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            just as much as the Democrats were involved in “Bush’s” mess.

          • Wil

            Yes! Bu,t you only blame democrats. How sad.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            No, not just Democrats, also some very liberal Republicans. The truth is whether Democrat or Republican big Government (along with it’s idiot allies) is destroying this Republic.

          • Wil

            Aren’t you blaming Democrat legislators for Bush’s mess! Oh but, that’s different. Bullcrap!

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Your the one who started this by blaming Bush? I’m just pointing out that he had a lot of Liberal help for his follies. And I agree that Clinton had a measure of Republican fault for his follies. Obama on the other hand has had no Republican help whatever for his follies. (since they’ve opposed him at very turn) When the smoke clears and history speaks, President Obama will not fair well. Bush on the other hand will enjoy a fair measure of future historical praise. Remember you heard it here first.

          • Wil

            Hey, Obama is doing a good job, without any help from the Republicans. The party of “NO” is hurting America!

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Unhappily there is a very high likelihood that your liberal loving policies will culminate before Obama leaves office. Along with the social disasters created by liberals, will come the fiscal. Your idiocy would be hilarious except for the devastation it’s wrought. 1 million annual abortions, 73% African American children abandoned by their fathers, (shocking incarceration rates as a result, along with millions more fatherless girls getting pregnant, thus continuing the cycle) tens of millions on welfare, tens of millions on disability, unemployment through the roof. Full on currency debasement, and a debt that can never be repaid in ten life times. Frankly, some one needs to say NO MORE.

          • Wil

            You blame liberals for all the ills in America? How sad! BTW, What has the conservative done to solve those problems? Wait, I know, cut taxes on the wealthy.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Assigning blame is NOT the point. Saving the country is, but, it’s not conservatives who typically support abortion. It’s not conservatives who support policies that lead to children being abandoned by their fathers. It’s not conservatives that tout easy welfare, easy disability, or easy unemployment insurance and easy food stamps. It’s not conservatives that support encouraging children into sexual intercourse. (at younger and younger ages) As for taxes on the wealthy you forget??? A tax is still taking money from someone who eared it fair and square. That is, it’s their money NOT the Governments. America was founded on a premise of the right to private property ownership, not the right of the Government to confiscate your money for ten million plus liberal nut bar programs, leading to debts that can never be paid back.

          • Wil

            Taxes is the price we pay for our civilization! Maybe, you would be happier, living alone in a jungle, somewhere and leave the rest of us alone!

          • Brian Fr Langley

            You couldn’t be more confused? ( a liberal affliction) American civilization was built on a few key tenets. Representation WITHOUT taxation was not one of them. (you know, the 47% who now depend on Government to get by) Originally, all taxes originated through the ownership of private properties. (thus all had a stake in the outcome) The rest of (U.S.) Government revenues, were raised through duties on foreign commerce. The civilization you refer too, is being systematically destroyed by the unsustainable confiscation of earned wealth. (Thus dis-incenting earned wealth) The more taxes you confiscate, the less folks will want to earn, and the more taxes you’ll need to take care of them. In just a few short years, at the current rates of liberal excesses, a jungle will be a happier option, than the chaos that’s coming.

          • Jeff Webb

            You always have to turn snide and post the straw man. Easier for you than continuing the discussion, right?

          • Wil

            Remember, The 11 trillion debt Bush/Cheney left, also has to be paid.

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Here’s the thing Wil, the real problem is NOT the 11 trillion or even the 17 trillion. Its the total of Federal, State, county, and municipal debt, along with the unfunded liabilities for promises made to retiree’s, sick folks, and others. The total debt of Americans is now approaching $220 TRILLION!!! (about $750,000 per man woman and child) This what liberal thinking has brought us to. This amount not only can not be paid it probably will not be paid. (can you say default) It will beggar your children, your grandchildren and their children. Liberal profligate spending, has spent the wealth of generations. This one will go down in history as hedonistic, filthy, greedy, pigs, pillaging the only people who can’t vote. The ones not yet born.

          • Wil

            So, what is your solution? More tax cuts for the wealthy!

          • Wil

            Again, Were the Republican Party involved in any way, in repealing the Glass-Steagal law? Yes or no?

          • Brian Fr Langley

            Again were Democratic party involved in any way in “Bush’s” mess? Yes or No.

          • Wil

            Some…Absolutely!

          • Brian Fr Langley

            then some Republicans were involved in Glass-Stegal. Only they weren’t Presidents.

          • legal eagle

            Everyone who doesn’t agree with you must be foolish….When have you ever agreed with any Obama policy?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            No everyone, legal. Just those who make up viewpoints and falsely accuse me of holding them.

            And I agree with Obama’s policies to keep Bush’s policies on surveillance programs and keeping Gitmo open – though Senator Obama campaigned against both.

          • D Parri

            Weasel no longer has the ability to either recognize the truth or acknowledge reality. He is a lost victim.

          • legal eagle

            It wasn’t Obama’s call to keep Gitmo open…It was a Republican filibuster…..anything else? These were Bush policies that are still in place…Name a few Obama policies you haven’t been critical of?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            lol. Gitmo isn’t open because of a Republican filibuster, legal. The Democratic-controlled Senate wouldn’t fund the transfer of Gitmo’s detainees, which Obama had to like because his administration never came up with a plan of what to do with them anyway. If you really believe that Gitmo isn’t open because Obama needs it to be open, you’re drinking the kool-aid.

            In addition to never being critical of Obama’s surveillance programs, I’ve also never criticized his drone program. I’m not going to give you a large list of his policies that I support, because I disagree with the overwhelming majority of them, especially in the realm of economics.

          • legal eagle

            How about an economic policy or a social policy..Drone’s were in effect under Bush…You’ve disagreed with every economic and social policy Obama has advocated since the day he was elected…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Well, I supported the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, and though there’s no associated policy from Obama on gay marriage, I agree with him on the issue.

            His handling of the economy has been nothing short of atrocious. I can’t think of a thing I’ve agreed with him on in that area.

            I think the guy’s a lousy president – not because he’s Barack Obama, but because he pursues very liberal policies and has displayed awful judgement.

            Does it surprise you that a conservative guy like me doesn’t support his leftist policies and poor leadership abilities?

            I can guarantee you that if he put forth some fiscally conservative policies, I’d support them. But we both know he won’t do that.

          • legal eagle

            Well the fact you support a social policy restores my faith in your being somewhat reasonable….LOL

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Really? That’s all it took? I would think that wanting to spare the next two generations of Americans from being crushed with insurmountable debt would be considered “reasonable”… Oh well.

          • legal eagle

            That’s a political statement not an economic one….”crushed by debt”? Debt is a long term issue and has been increasing for the past 70 years…Why is it now crushing?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Because it is $17 trillion dollars and will be $20 trillion three years from now! Is that enough of an “economic” statement for you? Who do you think has to pay that back? Quick answer: My kids.

          • legal eagle

            “Pay it back”? What are you talking about? When has the US ever had zero debt? Why do we want to have zero debt?
            I keep hearing this but economically it’s just not true? Am I mistaken?

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            Ugh. Semantics again. I’m talking about bringing it to a level that is sane and manageable… not just adding trillions after trillions while our economy putters along and no tax increase on “the rich” can even put a dent in it.

            I think this really is the primary difference in mindsets between fiscal conservatives and liberals… The libs seem to have no conscience when it comes to the country they’re leaving behind for their kids and grandkids. They either completely deny reality in order to not think about it, or they just couldn’t care less because they’re not the ones having to pay for it.

            It’s shameful.

          • legal eagle

            Semantics? In your opinion what is the acceptable level of debt?
            I don’t disagree with your viewpoint..we probably disagree on how to achieve the result…

          • http://johndalybooks.com/ John Daly

            I think around 35% of GDP would be a safe number, though I would love to see it even less. Right now, it’s nearly 75% (double of what it was just back in 2007). If you include intra-government debt, it’s already north of 100%

            The reality is that if there is ANY hope of reaching sane levels again, the government has to attack the leading driver’s of our debt: Entitlement reform. And Obama and the Dems have demagogued that issue to death. They won’t even sign onto simple pro-growth policies that encourage (not discourage) private sector economic growth.

            This is repeated all the time, but when Obama was running for the presidency, he said on a number of occasions that a $10 trillion national debt was irresponsible and un-American. A lot of conservatives, at the time (including myself) thought he had a point.

            Yet somehow, now that we’re voicing anger over $17 trillion in debt, we’re “extremists”, “terrorists”, and “racists.” Isn’t that interesting?

    • Brian Fr Langley

      Limerick.
      .
      I guess you could say this Pres. is audacious,
      but on taxing what’s earned, more like voracious,
      to be equal for sure,
      we all need to be poor,
      now the Nation’s been made quite hellacious.

  • Drew Page

    The majority of support Obama enjoys will diminish as more and more people begin to realize just how Obama Care is going to affect them. With any luck, they may come to realize this prior to the 2014 elections.

    • David

      With the help of the media constantly spinning for the Democrats they won’t.

    • 4Deuce

      But then the MSM will call us all “bad” once again and all of those suddenly insightful former Obama voters will walk into the polls and elect Hillary in 2016 and will party the night away celebrating how they once again “made history” so they can say that they made a woman POTUS. The Obama voters who come to hate ObamaCare will simply find it impossible to blame ObamaCare on Obama. Someone on TV will find cause to blame ObamaCare faults on the GOP and they will willingly lap it up. We conservatives are like dinosaurs.. being eradicated by powerful outside forces we cannot resist – a lying, 100% complicit news media fully in league with those who truly hate the America that became the envy of all on planet Earth in less than 200 years.

    • Wil

      Maybe, in your dreams.

      • Tim

        The math doesn’t work. Never will. The law will never work. But for some reason liberals can’t do math. It all makes sense when they say in the school’s that 2+2 can equal other than 4 as long as you can explain how you came to that conclusion. That’s why, to liberal’s, deficits don’t matter. That’s why they think they can tax and tax and regulate and regulate, and everyone is going to say OK, forever. Because that’s what they did in Detroit and that place is a liberal paradise. With generous pensions and well paid public workers. Where the Unions had it all. It is now Shangri-La. All wonderful all the time. So much so that they’re looking to dump retirees on top the Obama exchanges too. Liberal’s always seem to ignore basic Human Nature in all things social. Even worse they totally ignore the weight any issue has in another society, from cultural considerations. They assume all cultures are equal. That all people of different cultures think like we do and they’re traditions don’t matter.

        • Wil

          What is your solution to the health care crisis in America? The past system has been bankrupting people and the country!

          • Tim

            I would love to have all doctors and hospitals openly post the costs of their services and what’s included in the services rendered. I would like the government to set basic requirements for care. In other words, what’s included in an appendectomy and what isn’t. Who’s responsible to pay for the infection that the patient receives during the surgery? What’s the difference in care that a person would receive at hospital A that charges $10,000 for a procedure and hospital B that charges $15000 for “the same” procedure. What are the projected outcomes from said procedure at both hospitals? Is the survival rate higher at the $15000 rate hospital? What am I getting that justifies the cost difference. Or am I paying for an overpriced hospital administration. I want the government to set minimum treatment standards. Then I want to choose which solution is best for me based on outcome, based on cost, based on all available information. I should not end up bankrupt from healthcare costs, if I have insurance, period. I shouldn’t have to sell my house to keep my head above water if I become disabled. I shouldn’t have out of pocket expenses that required me to cash out my retirement money to pay. All because I went to an out of network hospital in another state. It was a blood clot, it’s not like I could return to an “In Network” provider. I should be able to receive care anywhere in the US without the dreaded out of network rip-off. I know all to well that the current system is unacceptable. But the ACA is not the answer, it takes all the bad things about healthcare and makes them worse. The medical industry needs to play by free market rules. Cost studies need to be done on treatment, and then a reasonable profit is added onto that to come up with a fair competitive price. Pricing now is based on nothing. Other “how much can we get for this?” It’s just a number not based on free market principles. There is no competition when you can’t compare anything. I can go into McDonalds and they have a menu. I can choose what I want and I know what I’m paying. In healthcare today, you have no idea until the bill shows up in the mail.

          • Wil

            But the ACA is not the answer, it takes all the bad things about healthcare and makes them worse.>>
            We will see.

          • Wil

            ACA in time, will resolve all your concerns.

          • Tim

            The ACA will deny me treatment based on my age and projected value of my life going forward.

          • Wil

            Tim, You are dead wrong!

    • D Parri

      The moronism that was necessary to create the current foundation for Obamacare is an infectious condition. The cure will likely only come via reality as people go through their own personal experiences with it. The danger is in how much damage it will do in the meantime to both the economy and the trust of our government leadership.

  • Chuck

    When I was a newspaper reporter, I always set aside my feelings about the people and issues I covered, because I understood this was my obligation as a professional journalist, and I wrote my stories straight down the middle. Once I covered a very contentious city commission meeting, and a reader stated in a letter to the editor that he had read newspapers all over the world, and had never seen a story so devoid of bias, even after reading it seven times. If I were covering Obama, I would ignore his color and still let the facts be my guide. Wow, some journalist I would make today, huh?! I might have a hard time keeping a job! It’s sad what journalism has become.

    • Lc Goodfellow

      The problem for Obama was that he always believed the most ludicrous version of Storybook Man. He once told a reporter, “You know, I actually believe my own [bovine excrement].” Now, isn’t that special?

      The media’s infatuation with Obama and/or their contempt for his critics only served to reinforce his delusions. When the press laughs at all of your jokes and takes your glib excuses as profound insights, the inevitable result is a kind of flabby narcissism. Kings can be forgiven for thinking they are the greatest poets when the court weeps at their clunky limericks.
      “You know, I actually believe my own [bovine excrement].”
      Now, isn’t that special ?

      • 4Deuce

        Obama is a walking, talking, contemporary version of “The Emperor’s New Clothes”.

        • Lc Goodfellow

          As I remember that children’s story, I’m not sure I want to see that. The visual is not a great image !

          • D Parri

            This is a perfect example of some of this disease’s worst afflictions, i.e., the loss of all vision of the truth and inability to personally relate to reality. Moronism has been running rampant throughout the nation and those infected are unable to recognize their current condition.

    • Mark W. in Oregon

      Chuck, you and I are probably of the same generation when we were taught in J-school that reporting and opinion were two separate things. We also had editors who made us get both sides of the story. If we had an editorial slant, we labeled our pieces “commentary” so the readers knew that our article was not objective. That was 40 years ago, when journalism was still alive. I changed occupations, but never lost my love for responsible reporting.

      • Chuck

        Yes, Mark, you’re exactly right on all counts. It is indeed coming up on 40 years since I graduated J-school. Getting scary now! I also switched occupations–no longer able to find anything in journalism–but am still active as a part-time freelancer. Today’s journalists are actually pretty consistent with our president. Just as he sometimes refuses to follow the law, so does the MSM refuse to follow the dictates of the Society For Professional Journalists, which calls for honesty in reporting.

      • Michael

        I would bet that the term “Yellow Journalism” isn’t taught any longer in journalism classes.

        • RoscoeBonifitucci

          The just teach “Red” Journalism…love of all things Marxist!

        • Mark W in Oregon

          When I was in school, one of the courses offered was “Propaganda.” It is no longer taught. I’m sure Chuck will also tell you, what is left out of a story can be as important as what is put in. Leaving out important information skews the point of view, from objective to opinion.

      • 4Deuce

        You lived a life of a reporter. Today J-schools are only specialized propaganda academies, of an advanced kind, found in our PC-driven and Progressive-motivated public school systems where Socialism is firmly entrenched as the preferred lifestyle for all – whether they like it or not. In your day, you guys called yourselves “reporters” and liked calling yourself that. Today we have self absorbed little J-school robots all saying they wish the change the word. I had an old uncle who spent 50 years reporting for Wash DC-based newspapers (Evening Star, DC News and Wash Times). He took up the reporter’s life after serving as a combat correspondent in WWII Europe. He used to say that his job was simple and his editor’s standards for reporters was simple too, He was supposed to deliver his copy to editors that addressed and answered the basic questions of “who” “what” “when” “where” and (if possible), the “why” of any story being reported on. Today we get opinion disguised as news and long, lengthy reports of allegations of someone’s bad conduct based on a single, unnamed news source. But this drivel is handed to us by those in love with themselves as so-called journalists. Our nation’s self absorbed, ego bloated “journalists” are the truth’s worst enemies.

        • D Parri

          Yes, you are right. It seems that those who lose the truth seldom recognize its value. That places them in a raft without a paddle on an ocean of information.

    • 633

      “Journalism” is now predominantly an electronic media function. The delivery mechanism obviously overvalues sound bite talking point presentation-which is conducive to elevating the presenter based on style points rather than content.

      • Chuck

        Yes, but they’re still responsible for providing fair and impartial coverage. The “sound bite” must not misrepresent or unfairly slant the point.

        • KAG505

          Surely you jest. Most journalists would ask you ..”then what’s the point?”

          • Big Bad Jack

            Obama is NOT a black man. He is a half-black man. The term I used to hear for this was mulatto, probably no longer permitted by our P.C. masters. Calling a dog’s tail a leg doesn’t mean the pooch has 5 legs. I beileve President Lincoln quipped that one.

          • D Parri

            I like it!

          • KAG505

            Big Bad….You may be commenting on the wrong story as I see no comments prior to mine that concern race. My comment was about journalistic intregrity and truth in the media, which have been MIA for a long time but never so evident with this president.

          • D Parri

            BBJ, perhaps your comment was for SkyCitizen. (reference to “Stepin Fetchit “)

    • 4Deuce

      If your objectivity collided with the motives of your editors and newspaper owner, you’d find your desk items in a cardboard box outside the papers front door when you returned from lunch.

    • legal eagle

      Probably why you never covered anything of significance…

    • D Parri

      You’ll recognize that from Weasel. It’s called a snipe. It’s how to attack your opponent when you have nothing of substance to offer.

    • Bob Olden

      Unfortunately, now that journalism has apparently changed, and a balanced view of reality cannot be perceived by the average consumer of the mainstream media, we need a new generation of prophets to speak to our society. Like the prophets of Israel, these prophets must warn of the consequences that are just ahead, and speak the truth no matter how unpopular it may be. They must also be willing to pay the price of confronting the evil they see. That takes a lot of courage, and like the prophets of old, they will be largely ignored.

  • sam

    He is incredibly charming and self assured. In this media driven culture we now occupy, it counts for a lot. The fact that he’s black is just icing on the cake. I hope this guy doesn’t cause the cake to fall before he leaves office.

    • Floridastorm

      Sam…………he’s one half white, one quarter Arab, and one quarter black. His mother was 100% white and his father was 1/2 Arab and 1/2 black. His father abandoned him at a very young age and he was brought up by his white grandparents who also paid for his education. So much for gratitude.

      • Patrick

        That’s the funny part. He only looks black. We are living in a world which is, according to Styxx, A Grand Illusion, made by the media.

        • lemonfemale

          He smokes (or smoked) Matlboro Lights. One time in my eighteen years in retail sales have I sold a nonmenthol cigarette to a Black smoker. Maybe he DOES only look Black. (Ha)

      • Josh

        Despite his particular makeup, we live in a society where one drop=black. I do not know why. It’s heavily disputed in the black community. But in the politically correct culture, which is obviously controlled by white people, anyone mixed with black must be addressed as black or African American.

        Everything you cite would make him, in terms of race, a mixed-race man, if the objective standard were genetic and not appearance based. If it were majority based, a white man. But based on PC standards, he’s not only black but somehow representative of American black culture.

        It’s all gone SNAFU.

  • TheHarp

    He is making good on one promise. “I want to fundamentally transform America.” The sad part is we are all to blame for giving him the opportunity.

    • Jenn

      bingo!

    • barjandor

      I see where you’re coming from, but I disagree on “…..we are all to blame…..” Not “all”. There were some who saw through the charade/hypocrisy/duplicity from the get go. Sadly, and twice in a row, they were in the minority.

    • Vivian

      Sorry, I Did Not Drink The Cool Aid…

    • D Parri

      I, too, was unwilling to “drink the Cool Aid (sic)”, but although the appearance of G Beck’s tenets seemed extreme they still seemed plausible. As time and history has now proven, Mr. Beck was proposing one of the most accurate assessments of our recent political history. Conjecturing that Pres O was absolutely serious about his radical plans for America, Mr. Beck brought a much-needed focus upon the factors which would be required to “first, tear down and then rebuild America” within the architecture of a socialized nation.

      It appears that the disease of infectious moronism has been spread from the Whitehouse throughout the whole nation. This plague is responsible for the loss of vision currently suffered by a majority of voters who have lost either some or all of their ability to either recognize their own reality or see the truth.

  • kelly

    “And precisely because of that a lot of journalists won’t go after him the way they’d go after other politicians, even those of the Democratic persuasion. They have way too much invested in him. -”

    How is that investment doing? Subscription rates at newspapers are way down. Ratings on the network news and cable shows are down. Advertising rates are down.

    • 4Deuce

      Obama Supporters don’t have a clue who Joe Biden is or what he does to earn a living. But ask them the winners of every year’s American Idol TV show and they will dazzle you with their knowledge of drivel. The print media and TV news programs are suffering because so many in the USA now sustain themselves with a mastery of trivia.

  • Jim

    It will not be long before you’re called a racist by MSNBC for suggesting that Obama has been given a free ride by MSM, at least in part, because he’s black. I agree with you and am pleased that someone with your reach actually said it.

    • 4Deuce

      I used to say that had Obama been white to look at, he’d never have survived the Iowa Democrat Primary in 2008.

      • legal eagle

        Those colored folks get every break…LOL

  • wally c

    This could be the first “Affirmative Action” President. The media won’t call him out, because it would be bad to pick on the first minority president, no matter how bad he handles the job.

    • legal eagle

      Thanks for you bigoted statement..Always good to see that the racism is never far from the surface for the Obama haters..

      • 4Deuce

        As the boat sinks beneath you, you would rather call people names than admit that the ship is sinking with you in it. Your comments are all too predictably shallow Legal Eagle.

      • Tim

        How does the “truth” make the man a bigot?

        • legal eagle

          All bigots claim they are just “telling the truth”..in fact they are yelling their version of the truth….Was W. Bush called an affirmative action President?

          • T Ko

            Are you “just telling the truth”?

          • legal eagle

            My version of the truth..

    • D Parri

      Wally, just to warn you about Weasel, he is infected with Obama’s disease, moronism. He’s actually lost all vision of truth and reality and it is not expected that he will improve.

  • savage24

    You are right, he said that this is a great country, help me change it. Change it he did, now we are about one step above a third world banana republic, and getting worse. What is really amazing is that (if you believe the polls) there are about 37% of the people still approve of him.

  • voters25

    Bernie you summarized it very well , he is a liar and he can not be trusted and it is plain to see he does like his job he only uses it to fill his adgenda to destroy our great country

  • Profarmen

    It certainly is true as to the stated reasons why the MSM
    covers the president as they do. However, half of the U.S. population is receiving
    “money-for-nothing” at the expense of the other half of the taxpayers paying
    the bill. Only when these takers begin to lose these hand-outs, will other
    tactics have a chance to prevail.

    • JMax

      Drinking the “money for nothing” Kool-Aid, huh? I suppose you think that the Social Security pension that I paid into for over 40 years is “money for nothing”. Medicare that I paid into for over 40 years is “money for nothing.” The military pensions are “money for nothing”? Your parents and grandparents are takers? Our wounded veterans are takers?

      • Ted Crawford

        I don’t feel any reasonable person consideres anyone in these categories as doing anything improper. What those of us who, like you, have paid into these sorry plans our entire working lives SHOULD pay close attention to is this:
        From Social Security Administration: Table V.F1 : 2012 figures for SS & Medicare – Benifits paid out $1.323 Trillion – Taxes, Premiums and Fees – paid in – $920 Billion! EGRO – $160 Billion short-fall!
        From Table V.F2 – future projections, (curiously they always project over a 75 year time frame) Pay outs – $112.8 Trillion – Pay in – $73 Trillion
        The Social Security’s own Actuarials to warn that left unaddressed Medicare will exhause all resourses by 2027 and Social Security by 2033!
        If you and i care about our Children and grandchildren we will force Obama and the Progressives to stop ignoring these facts and reform these plans!

        • JMax

          As far as Social Security is concerned, the SS Trustees say that the Trust Fund will be depleted around 2033. That is the Trust Fund set up to accumulate funds in order to account for the Baby Boomers. That doesn’t mean SS will be out of resources. As long as SS Admin is collecting payroll taxes with the current cap on income, SS will be able to pay 75% of benefits in perpetuity. All that is needed to pay full SS benefits for 75 years or more is raise or abolish the cap on salaries.

          The solution to Medicare is not gutting it or ending it. The solution is to make it as efficient as possible, reduce the cost curve, and fund it adequately. Or do you want 75 year-olds to do comparison pricing on the free market for critical procedures and care?

          • Ted Crawford

            Yes we’ve become very use to the Progressive Mantra, always claiming to be better qualified and far, far more knowledgable about nearly anything than those who have been working with it for years! In Effect : “Are you intending to believe your lying eyes or what we tell you”!
            Those figures are taken straight from the Social Securitys own form and reflect FACTS not Progressives rhetoric and Talking points!

          • JMax

            My facts regarding Social Security come from the report by the Trustees of the Social Security Trust Fund. I’ve read the report and I know the concepts very well. The numbers and dates pretty much match yours.

            The difference is that you seem to believe that once the Trust Fund is gone, there is no more money at all to pay Social Security benefits going forward. If you believe that, then you don’t understand the Social Security system.

  • joepotato

    Bernie, maybe the bar was set too high for the Indonesian Marxist Muslim … What can you expect from such a person, the truth? As to the (questionable) intelligence level, or lack thereof, of the Obie Soetoro supporters, one only has to view the videos of Mark Dice on Youtube for the answer… Who are Sideshow Barry’s script writers anyway? They must have brass …

    • legal eagle

      Thank you for your hatred and bigotry….Where would America be without haters like yourself?

    • D Parri

      It is good to hear from you and it appears that you have not been infected by the disease that has plagued the nation, moronism. As you can see, Weasel is one of the worst cases of infection that we have seen in years. Unfortunately, there is no improvement expected in his condition, as he has already lost all vision of truth and reality. There will be no memorial service for him.

  • gold7406

    the left views this administration as the political golden calf.
    aca will be a huge disaster, your dr’s. appointment will be handled by an 18 year old nurse’s assistant with a laptop on the wedMD website.

    • Patrick

      Whenever you CAN get an appointment! Adding millions without adding comparable amount of Dr’s will create extreme wait times.

      • gold7406

        aca is just a front for wealth redistribution.
        adding 16,000 Drs., PA’s, or RN’s would have made sense.
        adding 16,000 new IRS agents, the alarm bell sounded.

      • Ted Crawford

        The pool of Doctors and other health care professionals is being reduced. However Obama has a plan for that, hense, now that he’s won on increasing the debt and deficits, he is launching right into his Amnesty for Illegals rhetoric, he’s hoping to get enough Foreign Doctors(?) to apply for Amnesty!

  • Matt Liquori

    The country is filled with educated derelicts. These are the uninformed people who voted for the most divisive President we have ever had. He was re elected on lies, passed obamacare on lies, looks into the camera every chance he gets & lies. I’m waiting for it to fail…just to hear how the rebublicans voted for it and it’s their fault……It’s coming.

  • John Colburn

    Well you certainly don’t seem to think too much of the intelligence of the American voter here if I’m reading you correctly. However, you are wrong if you think what you are insinuating here, that we voted him into office because he is black. I think people voted for him for many reasons, not just because he’s black.

    • rdgeorge

      I don’t think Bernie was suggesting that it was only because he is half black just that its a big factor. He is saying that the reluctance to criticize Obama when he’s been in office for a while and is making many obvious mistakes and there are numerous quite concerning situations are as a result of his being that ‘historical’ figure.

      • javila255

        Neither Bernie nor rdgeorge take into consideration that the “main stream media” is almost 100% PROGRESSIVE and so is the Pres. Why would they disagree with what they believe to be “so right?” Or should I say “Right On!”
        One more thing. How many Republicans “failed” to show up at the polls in 2012??? Ans: Enough to get Obama reelected!
        Get yourself and your friends out to the polls next time. The people receiving “obama money” (not social security nor the vets)
        outnumbered the contributors to the “obama money pot”….

    • sully64

      John, I think they voted him in the first time because of what he said he would do and that he was a much better candidate than McCain. Unfortunately, he hasn’t come through on any of his promises! Obamacare is the one exception and that may be the one thing that brings down our economy! As for the ignorance of the American people, I think I would prefer to call it the gullibility of the American people. President Obama has figured out that most Americans are gullible and will believe anything they are told! I was very unhappy with Bush because of his policies. The liberal left seems to think that if I or millions of others are unhappy with President Obama then it is because we are racist and not because we disagree with HIS policies! That belief, in itself, is racist. I tend to agree with Matt that this president tells the people what they want to hear and not the truth.

    • Josh

      If one fancies him or herself a progressive in American culture, one cannot be thought a bigot in any respect towards racial minorities. That is the utter kiss of death. Other things are topics where you’ll find some wiggle room, even if only a smidgen like with modern-day feminism. But not on issues of race. You lose your intelligentsia badge and are asked to leave the premises.

      There’s so much reluctance to criticize Obama for the very same things others will criticize other Democrats for. But most dare not go near Obama with a word that isn’t flattering, or at the least unflattering for his opposition. That is very largely racially motivated.

      A person can go from being a progressive champion for the people to libeled a Tea Partier if they speak with even a questioning tone pertaining to Obama. I’ve seen it happen. It’s not pretty.

  • FloridaJim

    You and I understand this Bernie but so many others are tied to Obama’s apron strings with our tax dollars we need help.

  • LEE

    You hit the nail right on the head. Right now I’m listening to Obama and his post shutdown speech. Oh my gosh, what a liar. He talks of negotiating but used Senator Reid instead to tell all of the refusal to negotiate..

    What he fails to tell us it was HE who refused to negotiate and in fact disappeared from the scene. What a tragedy he is for our once great country.

    • JMax

      Obama’s proposed budget was $1.2 Trillion. The Ryan/House-passed budget was $967 Billion. The budget Obama signed was $986 Billion. Who didn’t negotiate?

      • Ted Crawford

        Nice try Comrade! However the difference is represented by the Budget Control Act (sequestration), mandatory and not negotiated! By the way Obama and the Progressives are furiously trying to over turn that as we speak!

        • JMax

          You mean the Budget Control Act is settled law but the ACA isn’t? Comrade?

        • D Parri

          WARNING!: The comrades you are attempting to converse with are severely infected and all precaution must be taken on your part. Your defense of the truth is the only known protection at this time. It is not likely, however, that the ones currently infected with the disease introduced by Obama, i.e., moronism, will improve with any measure of truth or reality. They are considered to be beyond healing.

      • legal eagle

        Too much logic on your part……

        • JMax

          I know, right? :-)

  • JJ

    He gets away with it because he a black president. The “people” are terrified of being called racist,and Obama has absolute control through that very thing. Racism. He is the racist.

  • Thomas J Morris

    One could add Solyndra, and the other “green” debacles, but that might be considered piling on. Crony capitalism with kickbacks, the Obama way.

    • JMax

      Solyndra was 1.4% of the total package on investment in Solar Energy. In all, much less than 5% of the investments has been lost.

      Venture capitalists expect a 70% failure rate in their business investments. Seems like a pretty good “debacle” going on.

      • Ted Crawford

        The Federal Government was never intended and should never be operated like a Venture Capital firm! In the first case those government officials involved in the “investing” – read “spending” – do not have any of the expertise of their counterparts in the private sector!
        In the second those investing in Venture Capital Firms are aware of the enormous risks and willingly agree. My tax dollars were unwillingly confiscated and NOT a single soul ever even ask before “investing” read “Spending”!
        Stimulus funds should be allocated with the same ideology as are medical assets during a disaster situation. After all Stimulus spending is in effect Economic Triage!

        • JMax

          I’m not going to engage with anyone who considers the money they pay for defense and the general welfare as having been “unwillingly confiscated”. That position is un-American, anti-democratic, and contrary to the Constitution.

          • Ted Crawford

            Nice try Comrade! However given that I’m a Disabled Veteran, and a long time supporter of the Constitution I have absolutely no problems with the taxes that are used in accordance with Article 1 Section 8! Those disingenuously used for issues outside these provisions I view as confiscated!
            I find it disgusting that a supporter of Socialism would call me un-American!
            By the way, Venture Capitalistic excursions could never be considered as “General Welfare’ issues! Except, that is, for those far leftists, using semantics, and calling themselves Progressives to avoid the truth that they are simply Socialists!

          • JMax

            So are you one of the takers sucking at the government teat for getting disability payments? Comrade?

            I don’t like any of my tax dollars going to subsidies to big business farmers or oil companies, either, but the price of democracy is being able to understand that I will never be in full agreement as to how my tax dollars are spent.

            I find it disgusting that anyone (including someone who draws money from the government) has the nerve to call someone a supporter of Socialism because he supports Social Security and Medicare as well as the policies to support energy independence through investment in renewable energy sources.

          • Ted Crawford

            Not that you’ll believe it , but I rejected the Disability benifits. Which resulted in the VA reducing my disability percentage from 50% to 10%! I know it’s difficult for some to understand taking a principled stance, but never the less some really do!
            Talk of hypocracy you’ve just finished defending Corporate welfare, with respect to Solyndra and other “Venture Capitalist” expenses taken on by Obama and generating a negative return, only to complain about those that actually provide a return on investment such as those to Oil Companies and Farmers!
            It’s your obvious support of this Obama regime, with all it’s intendent far left policies, from the allocation of the Tarp & Stimulus Assets, through Dodd-Frank,, & PPACA, including it’s more disgusting actions around Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the NSA Probes and IRS Intimidations, including it’s refusal to recognize and correct the situation around SS, and other entitlement programs, that displays your Socialist tendencies, or rather Progressive tendencies! Shakesphere said it best I think “A Rose by any other name”

          • JMax

            I don’t know what principled stance you are taking. Do you not believe your military service earned you the benefits for which you are eligible?

            As far as corporate welfare is concerned, the oil and big farm industries are mature industries as opposed to new industries just starting out. Supporting solar energy is critical to our competitiveness in world markets especially in competing against the Chinese in this field.

            The Obama Administration is not a regime. I’d be happy to understand exactly what you think are “far left policies” since universal health care has been a goal of Republican and Democratic administrations since at least the time of Teddy Roosevelt. It’s really difficult to conceive how spending money on education, infrastructure, and jobs are “far left policies”.

            TARP happened during the Bush administration to save the banks (Socialist?). The Stimulus was almost 40% tax cuts (Socialist?). Dodd-Frank is primarily consumer protection against predatory lending and abuse by financial institutions (Socialist?). PPACA is basically the health care reform proposed by the Heritage (Socialist?) Foundation. Fast and Furious was started by Bush and was an operation with good intentions that was thwarted by Second Amendment concerns (Socialist?). All the Benghazi “scandal” claims have been debunked. The IRS “intimidation” has been thoroughly debunked. The NSA is a carryover from the Bush Administration and is part of the Patriot Act. That can be debated as to policy by the congress and the administration as has been suggested by the president, but the person responsible for oversight is John Roberts, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (a Socialist?).

            I have no Socialist tendencies other than that health care should be universal and single payer.

          • Ted Crawford

            WOW ! You must surly be nauseous after all that spin! !
            TARP was, as you stated passed during the last months of Bush ’43′s’ Administration, what you “accidently left out of that was the fact that 60% of the assets were still in place, intentionally, for Obama to allocate!
            As for competing with China with respect to solar energy production, that’s not even a reasonable pipe dream! For solar to work it requires the use of “Rare Earth Elements”. China controls 97% of all the known sources for these elements. Baring a coalition, comprized of all, or nearly all other industrialized nations, it won’t happen! As for health care, you are correct many, many administrations have sought the best answer for that problem, however this Cloward-Piven Leviathan, most definitely is not it!
            Fast and Furious had absolutely nothing to do with the Bush’43′ administration! What you seem to be refering to is the Bush administrations operation “Wide Reciever” Which after just a couple of months and a couple of hundred guns, none of which were ever allowed to cross an international boundry, none of which were involved in any deaths, and all of which were accounted for and ultimately confiscated, was declared “unworkable” and cancelled! Obama and Holder initiated Fast and Furious IN SPITE of this and with full knowledge of it’s shortfalls!
            As for Chief Judicial Legislator John Roberts, what would you call a Supreme Court Justice that, in violation of his Constitutional mandate, RE-WRITES a Law, passed to be in compliance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3, (which of course it wasn’t) to instead seem to comply with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 ? ! Another, in the long list of Bush ’43′s’ mistakes!

          • JMax

            So you haven’t explained what was “far left” about the allocation of TARP assets to Wells Fargo, JP Morgan Chase and other banks under Obama. Or “far left” about stimulating the economy with tax cuts and work projects. Or what is “far left” about supporting new industries that will create job and reduce the reliance on oil from unstable regions? BTW, it is debatable how much solar energy production requires rare earths, and China controls the market today but not the resources.

            A Glenn Beck disciple, apparently. ACA is not the best way to provide universal health care. Personally I would go for single payer. It works well for Medicare. But ACA is a step towards the goal which the “free market” has failed to accomplish. And ACA is essentially a conservative plan. Anyway, if you think universal health care is a “far left” policy, then I’m guilty on that count.

            How is Fast & Furious was an extension of Wide Receiver. The idea was the same. Both may have been ill conceived and poorly executed, but the intent was good. Obama had nothing to do with initiating Fast & Furious. BTW, it is not true that no Wide Receiver guns crossed the border. Most were never recovered.

            As far as Roberts “rewriting” ACA, I’m pretty sure if you read the text of the law today, it will be exactly the same as the day the president signed it.

            The IRS “intimations” certainly have been debunked and are only still under investigation because it is Darryl Issa’s mission in Congress to throw dirt at the president and see what sticks. Testimony withheld by him and released by ranking member is very clear on that.

          • Kevin Hubble

            Let me get this clear JMax, You believe that a disabled American veteran like Ted Crawford of the United States Armed Forces receiving his military benefits is akin to “sucking at the government teat.”? Do I have that right? Do you truly believe that the invading hordes of illegal fruit pickers and landscapers are entitled to greater benefits than our retired fighting heroes? Do you believe that the national treasury would be better and more wisely spent building windmills and solar panels than improving access and providing care for the Greatest Generation in our country’s Veteran’s Hospitals? If you so object to subsidies to big business, farmers, or oil companies, why don’t we just lower the corporate tax rates so they can just keep the money that was already theirs to begin with? (That way, if they don’t send $1.00 to the IRS they won’t have to wait to get their 20 cent “subsidy” back in return. They can take that full $1.00 and create a job with it!) Since the government really has no money of it’s own (unless the Fed prints it) a subsidy is really nothing more than-after the feds take your money-it sends a little bit of it back to you. The company is then supposed to feel guilty and act with all humility and gratitude for their government “subsidy”. I don’t know why some of you capitalism-hating complainers don’t all band together and develop, without government subsidy, a clean, cheap and easily-available form of energy that will satisfy all of your demands and then bring it to market on a national scale to rival the current availability of gasoline and diesel. This fuel must require that no retro-fit would be necessary for any vehicle currently on the road or any vehicle currently in production. It also must not require any “fundamental transformation” (oops, my bad.) to the currently understood internal combustion engine or any changes to the current styling and size of cars that the market will accept today. When you do this, you will have your Nirvana, the country will be grateful, the market will make you wealthy beyond your imagination, “Big Oil” will vanish all over the globe and the lion will lie down with the lamb. Now, that is your assignment. It’s time for you complainers to get to work!!!

          • JMax

            No, you do not have that right, Kevin. I guess snark is lost on you. I believe that Ted’s military service has earned him the right to any disability payments he receives. Some would call him a taker. I don’t. My point was that the vast majority of the 47% (now down to 45%) are not deadbeats.

            Undocumented immigrants pay much more in FICA taxes that they will never get back than the meager amount of welfare paid to them by the states.

            Exxon in 2012 paid $2.48B in US taxes on $78.73B income. That’s a 3.15% tax rate. How much lower would you like it to be?

            More money in a company’s treasury doesn’t create jobs. Demand for goods and services creates jobs. That demand is created by people with money in their pockets.

            I’ve worked for a capitalist company for 38 years. I understand capitalism and I believe in capitalism. That would make me NOT a capitalism hater.

            I already have two hybrid vehicles, and i have solar panels on the roof of my house. I don’t need no steenking assignment.

      • Jeff Webb

        Solyndra was BO giving a nice fat gift to a rich donor at our expense. It was an “investment” that was not recommended by WH advisers.
        Isn’t it the democrats who say they’re not the party of the rich, that they abhor crony capitalism?

        • D Parri

          They are infected by the disease identified by H.L. Mencken–moronism. It was first introduced by BO, and it has spread throughout the nation. Read my comments for more.

      • Thomas J Morris

        Are you suggesting that it’s no big deal? We are not talking about private money, but taxpayer money the gov has no business in squandering. Here’s a CNN story that suggests the number may be 8%. Regardless of party affiliation no one should be pleased with crony capitalism.

        http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/22/news/economy/obama-energy-bankruptcies/

        • JMax

          I guess I am suggesting that. If one is to believe that no government money goes to people who know or contribute funds to candidates, then one must overlook firms such as Halliburton, Lockheed, Boeing and many more. 8% is still a lot better than 70%. The point is to stimulate the creation of energy alternatives and the jobs that go with them. I’ll pay for that any day.

  • DesertLady

    Seriously don’t think it’s race, Bernie. Sadly, very sadly, republicans have not figured out how to talk to and win over the sound-byte-driven population we’ve now got. All evidence, tons of evidence, should have told Americans to go the other way as fast as they can. They didn’t believe what we told him. Now we will get to tell them “We told you so,” and that’s no consolation at all.

    • Thomas J Morris

      DesertLady, agree with your points. Unfortunately feeling good about telling them so, is going to cost us big time in the wallet.

      • DesertLady

        Well then you understood my message…. there’s no feeling good here. We lost big time and we’d best figure it out soon.

  • beniyyar

    Obama has charisma and his followers would almost literally die for him, certainly the MSM treats him like a demigod who can do no wrong. God help us!

    • Ted Crawford

      It’s been just over 80 years since an entire Nation was seduced by a smooth talking Demagogue. The end results of that seduction were horrific! I fear the results of this current seduction will be far, far greater, and not just for America!

    • http://unseenmoon.wordpress.com/ Felipe Zapata

      I think Obama has the charisma of a tree trunk. He is wooden. That he has charisma is a myth. His followers are so smitten with his being “black,” which ironically he is not, that they see what they want to see. The yell racism so often because it is their sole criteria for most everything.

  • Brian Fr Langley

    Wait seems he’s keeping another promise? Global warming according to the U.N. may not be so bad after all???
    .
    The planet now heals and the seas are not rising,
    his promise to stop it, not so surprising,
    nor very odd,
    since he thinks he’s a god,
    and shame on us all, for that not recognising.

  • kayakbob

    Yes. I would say that just about covers it Mr. Goldberg.

  • Kathy Kelly

    And that “fundamentally change” should have scared everyone. Sadly, we should get used to American Idol style voting.