Time to Crush the Myth about Gender Pay Inequality

The other day as part of a “Professionals” panel on NBC’s Today show, the program’s chief medical editor Nancy Snyderdman said, “We [women] still make 77 cents to the dollar [compared to] men.  It’s ridiculous.”  It sure is ridiculous, mainly because it’s not true.

Another panelist, attorney Star Jones said, “My bread does not cost 30 cents less than a man’s bread when he goes into the grocery store. Equal pay for equal work.”

I don’t know about you but I’m getting tired of pundits and activists – almost always on the left — who don’t know what they’re talking about, spouting off in the media about how women don’t make as much as men for doing the same work.

The reason men, on average, earn more than women is because men, in many cases, do different kinds of work than women.  More men work in dangerous jobs that pay higher wages – like jobs in coalmines and on oilrigs.  They’re also more likely than women to work the overnight shift, and that also pays more.  Women also take more time off to take care of their children, which over time means less pay.

It doesn’t take a scholar to figure that out.  It’s obvious.  Nonetheless, a scholar – James Sherk at the Heritage Foundation — did figure it out and earlier this month he issued a report that said: “This gender gap is not the result of rampant discrimination. Rather, it exists because men and women often work in different jobs, work different hours, and have different qualifications. When work experience, education, occupation, and hours of work are taken into account, the average woman makes 98 cents for every dollar earned by a man.”

Anti-business liberals are always telling us that cold-hearted, money-hungry corporate types care only about the bottom line.  So then why — if it’s true that women are getting paid 77 cents for every dollar a man makes; if women are not getting equal pay for doing the same job — why would any company hire any man at all?

Why wouldn’t companies only hire women to do all the work and save 23 percent on their labor costs?  This is not a rhetorical question.  If greedy businessmen are fixated on “maximizing profits” how do we account for so many “overpaid” men in the workforce?

I expect very little from what passes for the mainstream media.  And they rarely disappoint.  But it would be nice if the next time the Today show, or any other news program, put someone on the air who carelessly threw out misleading statistics about supposed pay inequality, a real journalist would step in to set the record straight.

I know … hoping for something like that is what’s really “ridiculous.”

 

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  • cRescRC

    *Because this is the same reason why men pay more insurance*.
    Statistics show that men should pay more auto insurance.
    Why? Because men have more expensive accidents.
    So when a feminist complains about gender wage gap, they completely forgot. Even when women have the same job, same work time, same whatever, there’s one thing, women typically change companies faster, therefore getting less *You have been in this company for x years so u get more cha-ching!*.
    That, is what the 2% probably is (or 5%, whatever).
    Everyone should get a read of the book “why men earn more” by warren farrel. It explains everything and every factor of why women should earn less and how they can earn more and stop using bullshit myths.

  • jm313

    Your correct. The fact is that women are not like men and men are not like women! More men usually have higher paying jobs.

  • pc

    Sir (and of course you are), I have worked in Human Resources for over 10 years and I can promise you women do not make as much as men doing the same jobs, for the same amount of time.

  • http://twitter.com/ham_adams frank ridley

    So Lilly Ledbetter was not working the overnight shift or with her office a mile below ground. I see.

    • Necroski

      1 woman does not change a statistical average of millions. Try again.

  • Thisisbias

    This is bullshit.

  • Floatpool

    I make less than my female counterparts in nursing. I never had a male nursing instructor and the majority of my bosses have been female, but I don’t hear a story about that.  I also don’t hear about men getting lower grades to “get more men in nursing” and I definetly never heard of scholarships for men to get into nursing.  Even minority women get preferential treatment to nursing schools over males with higher grades, but still no Oprah show about that.  Tell me a field that is 90% male ,where women don’t get accepted with lower grades and less qualifications, I can’t think of any either. The nursing field, which is a great field to get employment consistently makes it hard on men to enter the field. Female sexism runs rampant, and promotions are made or not made based on perceptions, if those perceptions are inaccurate, well that’s just too bad.

    Men will always be better nurses than women because we can lift more, and every male in this field knows what I’m talking about. Women will walk by other women to ask a man to come help them lift their patients, yet we get no more money, less promotions and more harassment than female nurses.  I’d like to start a national movement to underscore the treatment of men in nursing, but frankly me and thousands of other males will continue to overcome the discrimination and lower pay without Oprah making us perpetual victims. I’d rather deal with the crap than to achieve victimhood. I just wanted to point out that in 30 years of hearing “Women make 70 cents of what a man makes” and no one has ever named the job or the company that does this, I can point out that in nursing men make less, and are pomoted less all of the time.

  • bbf

    I DON’T KNOW BERNIE….I remember  seeing this online some time ago:

    Women paid significantly less in Obama White House than their male counterparts

    By
    Meghan Keneally

    PUBLISHED:

    18:25 EST, 11 April 2012

    |
    UPDATED:

    10:23 EST, 12 April 2012

    All of President Barack Obama’s
    employees may not be treated equally in the White House, as recently
    released financial records show that female employees earn significantly
    less than their male counterparts.

    Using
    the 2011 annual report of White House staff salaries that was submitted
    to Congress, an $11,000 difference is clear between the median female
    employee salary and the median male employee salary.

    This
    news comes on top of continued criticism- of both President Obama and
    prior presidents- that women are underrepresented in the White House.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5Z3L7DFVLUSXNDXRRIAMSMQYD4 General Zod

     wil is irrefutable proof that anal conception is not a myth!

    • cRescRC

      Proper grammar please

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5Z3L7DFVLUSXNDXRRIAMSMQYD4 General Zod

    i have always wondered about how they come up with those statistics as opposed to just spouting them out as gospel and expect everyone to believe it.

    • Necroski

      Always wondered, yet never learned. Shocking I tell you. Shocking. Professional statisticians tend to be very serious about numbers. The ‘spouting’ you reference is because it would take an hours-long classroom environment to explain all the nuance. Most people (ahem, you) wouldn’t have the patience.

      • Necroski

        Erg, it’s possible I didn’t understand which stats you were referring to. If you weren’t defending the myth of pay gaps then I apologize for that post.

  • Ken08534

    Bernie – It’s even dumber than you describe.

    The way they calculate woman’s wages vs. men’s wages is based on one simple (simply false) premise that since women represent about X% the workforce, they should earn X% of the income in the country. There is no deeper analysis performed than that.

    They don’t consider education, experience/time in the position or even ability – they simply add up all the women’s paychecks and all the men’s paychecks and discover a disparity!

    It defies all logic and can be disproven trivially in a conversation with someone spouting this garbage – simply ask them for one example of an institution that pays men 1/3rd more than it pays women “for the same job”.

    I quote:

    “Research from the Bureau of Labor Statistics indeed suggests women on average make only 77 cents for every dollar earned by men.”

    “Those numbers, however, could represent an apples-to-oranges comparison. The stats compare the pay of all women as a group against the pay of all men as a group, without considering lots of differences. Some analysts are now producing research that suggests the pay difference might be tied more to the jobs men and women each choose than their gender. ”
    Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/07/behind-numbers-why-do-women-earn-less-than-men/

  • Vince Russell

    Way to go Penny. I read your piece on Dick Chaney’s heart transplant. Right on. auger and all the rest of NBC are so biased that I no longer watch NBC.

  • Penny

    Nancy Snyderman is notorious for sensationalizing stories without real facts.   She claims to be a doctor, but she brings shame to the profession with her naked liberal slant.  She is a disgrace both to medicine and journalism.  The story she did on Dick Cheney’s heart transplant was despicable.  I wrote a column taking her to task for it:  http://hillbuzz.org/did-dick-cheney-deserve-a-heart-transplant-11121

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGT5LFXDWHPKRWLSI2WPBXIGXE Wil

       Dick Cheney’s getting a heart transplant was despicable! How did he jump ahead of others, should be investigated!

      • Tim Ned

        Wil, I need to correct your statements again.  Cheney was on the wait list for 20 months.  Also, just to give you a little education; receiving a heart transplant is not simply waiting in line.  The recipient has to be matched to a donor.  So it is fairly obvious to reasonable thinking people that a child was not sacrificed for the former VP.

        I don’t know where you get your information but I highly recommend you either change the channel or unsubscribe from your sources.  A shred of facts in your statements would be refreshing to everyone who posts here.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGT5LFXDWHPKRWLSI2WPBXIGXE Wil

          Oh I see, money and connections doesn’t matter. How naive you must be!

          • Jeffreydan

              Quit being a little snot and prove your allegation, sonny.  

          • Tim Ned

            After 20 months it would appear that money doesn’t matter.  Facts matter not blabber.

      • Ken08534

        Cheney waited 20 months for a transplant – what is the average wait for a heart transplant? A: About 6 -> 12 months.

        So I guess all Cheney’s power and money bought him an extra 12 months on the waiting list?

        http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/25/us-usa-cheney-idUSBRE82N0FK20120325 

  • Interested

    I’ve only ever heard it said that women make less than men when in the same occupation, but you’re saying the Today Show piece was clearly mixing apples with oranges? Which reports would be a useful read in regards to this?

    • Paul Courtney

      Consider trusting your own eyes, because “Reports” on stuff like this are so often done by authors who make up their mind first, then they “research” their way to the pre-determined end.  My eyes see that alot of ambitious women get to where they want to be, and opportunity is there for them, free to pursue happiness.  It’s not the 1950s anymore.  I see alot of women working as cashiers and retail, low paying jobs but lighter duty.  Look at Wal Mart, women cashiers and male stock clerks (no, not 100%, but mostly).  Women activists claim Wal Mart is male managers, and stats may back that up, but is it really because Wal Mart managers discriminate?  Or is it that being a manager @ Wal Mart (or McD’s) sucks, you have to do EVERY job, at one time or another, when low wage workers (male and female) fail to show?  Likely alot of other factors we are fortunate enough not to know.    

    • Ken08534

      The Bureau of Labor and Statistics, the source of the above “disparity” simply added up all the women’s paychecks and all the men’s paychecks and found that when added up women’s total pay was about 3/4ths of the amount earned by all men.

      They never considered individual occupations and gender in their analysis.

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/07/behind-numbers-why-do-women-earn-less-than-men/ 

      and this BLS chart:

      http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2012/ted_20120110.htm

  • Vince Russell

    Bernie, you are right on. Over 100 studies have looked at male/female pay. Every one of the studies have shown that men and woman with the same education and experience make the same salary. I am so sick of listening to these people that don’t know there butts from a proverbial whole in the ground.

    What all the libs can’t explain is that if woman make only 77 cents of every dollar paid to men why greedy corporations don’t just hire woman and cut payroll by 23%.

    I know of 4 studies that looked at why the average salary of women is only 77% of a mans. All four found that women intentionally choose low paying careers that were compatible with raising children. So it appears to be a rational judgement by women.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CYNDZZMP7JJOWGP4MNP4O4LWYY GRAYWOLF

    AS USUAL BERNIE HAD HIS HEAD UP HIS A–.  WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MINERS, CONSTRUCTION WORKERS OR OIL RIGGERS, BY RATHER THE LAWYER, THE RN AND THE TEACHER THIS IS WHERE THE PAY INEQUITY EXISTS.  THE RN THAT WORKS THE 3 TO 11 SHOULD BE PAID THE SAME REGARDLESS OF WEATHER THEY AR MALE OF FEMALE, BUT THEIR NOT.  I WAS A HOSPITAL FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATOR FOR 25 YEARS AND UNLIKE DIM BULB BERNIE I’VE SEEN PAY INEQUITY UP CLOSE. 

    • dlr

      Graywolf, I think you are crying wolf when it comes to male/female teachers getting unequal pay.  And if you’re messed up about teachers then why should I trust anything else you say? 

      Teacher pay in my state is open to the public.  I have spent some time looking at what they make because my wife is a teacher.  Female teachers make just as much as male teachers for the same job and the same years of experience.  The teachers union would not stand for anything less than equal pay.  Teachers pay is based on a formula that doesn’t factor in male or female and any honest person can check that out.

      Assuming what you say is true about RN’s.   I have a friend who is a male nurse, and I have another friend who’s wife is a nurse.  Both are RN’s.  The guy makes about $65,000 and the woman makes $76,000.  Why?  Because of the kind of work that she does and the amount of experience that she has.

      And how would you know anything about lawyers anymore than you know about teachers.  Tell us your sources Greywolf.

      • Paul Courtney

        dlr, “crying wolf”, nice touch.  Wolfie is so far off with lawyers that his or her ignorance is plain.  I was gonna say only “his”, but that’d be discrimination!  How shocking Graywolf’s argument begins and ends with name-calling. 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/CYNDZZMP7JJOWGP4MNP4O4LWYY GRAYWOLF

         You like Bernie have your head up your ass!  The male nurse makes 65k because he’s new, while the female makes 76k because she has seniority. Nobody has ever said that senior and experienced employees shouldn’t make more, that’s more of comparing apples to oranges.  How I know about lawyers is because I am one, and here’s your comparison.  The day is was hired by a very good firm, they also hired two female associates.  My starting salary was 12k more then both of the women.  One was editor of her Law Review and had clerked for a Supreme Court justice and she was graduated from one of the ten top law schools in the country.  Whereas I went to a state school and only clerked for a circuit cort judge in my home state.  How’s that for pay inequity, sport.   BTW, both my daughters are teachers and they have gotten screwed over in salary several times.  While, as you state, salary ranges are set by the school board, the school principals have a lot of leeway in how they spend that salary money.  In the schools there is a lot of brown nosing and ass kissing of the principal to the land the plum assignments.  If your not willing to stroke the principal then you get to teach the retards instead of AP English, with a commensurate reduction salary. Pay inequity at it’s worst, and it swings both ways.

         

        • ph16

           Well I am sure the special education advocates will love you. You act like teaching children with special needs is a bad thing.

        • Paul Courtney

          Gray, your first post wasn’t worthy of reply, but this one-WOW.  A lawyer AND 25 yrs in Hosp bureaucracy, and still have time for omniscience?  You seem to know the precise situation of dlr’s friends, amazing!  Now that you learned how to turn off the caps lock, try the spell check.  Those female lawyers were so well credentialed, you’d think they’d know the way to the Courthouse when they suffered such rank discrimination by a very good (read: deep pocket) law firm.  And if they knew how to spell “court”, they should have been ahead of you.  Even more surprising is that Daddy, at a very good law firm, couldn’t help his own daughters file a simple union grievance form.  Maybe you’re a psychiatrist, too, then you could diagnose your apparent mental disorder.  As far as we can tell, the only job you’ve actually had is as a fish peddler- and you can peddle them elsewhere, Bernie’s fans aren’t buying.

          • nimbop

            This is just…. amazing.

        • Drew Page

          I think you are lieing.   No lawyer worth his salt would write a nasty, name calling post such as you did.   They would also  check their message for misspelling and careless usage, such as  “The day is was hired…”  ?   I believe that any lawyer would know how to spell court, “Whereas Iwent to a state school and only clerked for a circuit cort judge in my home state.”  Further, I don’t believe a lawyer would label school kids as “retards”.    Your entire story reeks of dishonesty.

        • Tim Ned

          Graywolf, early in my career I was hired at lower pay than peers and I am a male.  I learned early on that you negotiate pay.  But here is the question you didn’t answer; was it their corporate policy to hire males at higher rates than females?  Or was it part of their HR’s negotiation?

          There is a difference.  I consult for manufacturing companies and have done so for hundreds of companies over the years.  Never once for small or large companies have I found what you state to be true.  Jobs have pay ranges and for new hires it is the responsibility of their HR departments to hire the best, at the lowest part of the range.  But those positions always fall within the pay ranges; male or female.

        • Ken08534

          It couldn’t be because you are a better negotiator, could it?

          I have never EVER seen a prinicpal in a unionized school district that has the ability to set pay levels for individual teachers… The Principal does get to choose who gets additional assignments that include stipends, but that is additional work for additional pay. well outside the realm of the “same pay for the same job” argument you are trying to espouse.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/5Z3L7DFVLUSXNDXRRIAMSMQYD4 General Zod

           gray, i defy you to point out WHERE it says that someone who went to a more prestigious (aka more expensive) school or clerked for a supreme court justice is entitled to make more money than someone who went to a state school or clerked for a local circuit court judge. please show us all where it says that!
          just because someone went to a more expensive school does NOT mean they are either more qualified or more capable of doing their job than the next person. editor for a law review? big deal. that too means NOTHING.

    • Ken08534

      They are paid the same, does your local hospital have two seperate “male” and “female” payscales?

      There are men that earn more than certain women, and there are women that earn more than certain men – even in the same position at the same workplace, that doesn’t mean the difference is purely gender-based.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/5Z3L7DFVLUSXNDXRRIAMSMQYD4 General Zod

      ” BUT THEIR NOT” well former hospital administrator, your understanding of grammar is lousy- and you are lying.

    • cRescRC

      Using capital letters shows that you are not a hospital financial administrator. Liar.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGT5LFXDWHPKRWLSI2WPBXIGXE Wil


    More men work in dangerous jobs that pay higher wages – like jobs in coal mines and on oil rigs.”>>

    Then, why do those men make less money, then lets say, TV Pundits?

    • Jeffreydan

        You should have your mommy & daddy explain it to you in terms you’ll understand. While we know you are a challenged youngster, they know far better just how challenged and young.    

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGT5LFXDWHPKRWLSI2WPBXIGXE Wil

        You should have your mommy & daddy explain why they have a bastard son!

        • Jeffreydan

            And with that we’re getting a much better idea how challenged you are, sport.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGT5LFXDWHPKRWLSI2WPBXIGXE Wil

            Your posts says volumes about you. If you think you can insult me with impunity, it ain’t gonna happen. Oh and BTW, you’re still a bastard!

          • ph16

            So do yours? You’re just an insulting leftist who has nothing to say but things to cause trouble. Honestly, you’re so ridicolous sometimes I wonder if you believe the things you actually say.

    • dlr

       Because there are so many lemming like you Wil who can’t get enough of there media bias.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGT5LFXDWHPKRWLSI2WPBXIGXE Wil

        I’m getting all the bias, I need from this forum!

    • Paul Courtney

      Wil, coal miners and oil riggers don’t have to put up with you!  Or me.  Plus TV pundits like Bernie have to say just what Roger Ailes tells them to say, even though he finds your point of view so persuasive.  Isn’t that what you believe?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGT5LFXDWHPKRWLSI2WPBXIGXE Wil

        Bernie’s opinions are bought and paid for.
        You only see Bernie on Fox.  Bernie is a smart person. I don’t believe for a minute, his opinions are what he really believes!  

        • ph16

          What are so crazy about his opinions, first off? And what a concidence, sometimes I don’t believe you really believe the far left things you say. You’re not even a liberal and insult liberals around the world, you’re a leftist plain and simple.

        • Tim Ned

          To correct your statement Wil, Goldberg is also on HBO Real Sports.  A great program.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGT5LFXDWHPKRWLSI2WPBXIGXE Wil

            I bet Bernie never played a sport in his life. Poker doesn’t count as a sport.

    • Ken08534

      Imagine how much more money Oprah would make if she were a man?!

      • cRescRC

        100000 less dollars a year

  • Dorothy

    Bernie……….what a great analogy!  You make t so easy to understand.  Unfortunately, activists wouldn’t admit you’re bang on…………even if they “got it”…….which I believe they often do.  Acknowledging you’re right would, in the case of Snyderman & Jones, have them out of a job!  As we, north of your border say, “quel dommage”!        

  • Nancye

    From the article:

    More men work in dangerous jobs that pay higher wages – like jobs in coalmines and on oilrigs.  

    ************************************

    Since I’ve never worked a man’s job, I don’t feel left out because I never received a
    man’s pay for doing a guy job, such as construction, coalmines, or oilrigs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Koffer/1020263329 Dave Koffer

    Right!  Exactly!  Great article, Bernie!!

  • Pasquale1234

    Of course you are correct and this whole issue is so boring and so trite and I cannot even believe there are still panels discussing this  absurd non- issue.  Why is it just about women?  Why not trans-genders, gays, lesbians, disabled, emtionally distressed, ad infinitum.  Yes pay is different, people are different, Oprah is a billionaire.  Ellen De Generis is paid millions every year.  Le Bron James makes $25,000,000 a year…….SO WHAT?  I am not jealous of any of them.  I am happy for them. However  I don’t get too excited about the county legal clerk who makes $60,000 a year and treats me like a nuisance when I am taking care of a legal issue and she does not return my emails and when I finally do get her to answer she tells me I missed a deadline, but she really doesn’t care. The case is closed because she did not read my email.  If I want to get a copy of the FBI information that I paid for, I will have to pay an extra fee to reopen the case.   She is firmly entrenched in her lifetime SEIU job that will pay her a pension over five times what I make.  I guess the union will take care of her while I wonder what will inflation do to my SSA check and I am sure she will eventually get a pay equal to some  attorney because some panel will determine she does equivalent work.  Oh and they will not take any money out of her medical benefits. 

    • cRescRC

      No one takes a point seriously when there is grammar errors. I have no idea what you said, please rephrase.

  • Dianne

    I am not a victim of a male-dominated society.  I’m the leading-lady in my life, and I take responsibility for the choices I’ve made.  I graduated from college and got a job right away to pay for my student loans; I didn’t wait for the government to “forgive” them or me.  I got my job on my qualifications and my work experience, and I paid my dues with low-pay jobs just to pay the bills.  When I finally got a good-paying job, I knew I had earned it. I worked for 10 years, got married and and started family. I’ve been happily unemployed and underemployed for the past 11 years.  When I do go back to work, I’m going to search for the job that fits me and my family’s needs as best I can.  And if that means I have to start at the bottom of the ladder and work my way up…again…I’ll do it.  It’s my life and I’m proud of it.  There are other women and men who have made more than me in the past, and it’ll happen in the future.  But if I want more it’s up to me to make it happen.

    • Drew Page

      How refreshing.   Good for you Dianne.  

    • cRescRC

      Yup

  • Phil

    Several years ago, the news media flogged themselves because there weren’t nearly as many women sports editors at newspapers as there are male sports editors. Being the medoa, of course, they just assumed discrimination. Nowhere in the story did it mention the obvious – that very few women actually WANT to be sports editors at newspapers. The lion’s share of women who enter the media do so to become news reporters and save the world from the evil, greedy, rich white old men Republicans, not to become sports editors at newspapers. Yet the intellectual elites in the news media couldn’t figure this out.

  • Genann59

    I’ve been trying to make that point for decades. Years ago, when I was in graduate school, female city workers were demanding that the women who work in cushy jobs as receptionists and clerks were demanding they get paid the same wage as men who were out in the hot sun (and in Texas in the summer, it is REALLY hot) doing manual labor. They were saying that the men were paid more and had about the same skill level. Well, very few people were willing to point out the obvious, that these women sat on their butts all day long, usually in nice air conditioned offices, about their main health concerns were obesity from sitting on their butts all day long, while the men were out in the heat, doing hard physical labor, with machinery that could cause permanent injury at any time, and perhaps, just perhaps, the effort and conditions the men were working in just might justify paying them more for the work they did.
    It was not a popular argument, especially amongst my classmates, who sort of thought of me as the token conservative anyhow, but somehow, or the time being at least, rational thought prevailed and they let that go for awhile.
    And now there are more female police officer, and they get paid the same as men, more female fire”persons,” and on and on. And when my scanner used to still pick up police calls I quickly realized that one problem with female police officers is that often when they had to try to arrest a man, in particular if he was drunk or stoned, the men often would try to disarm or resist the female officer who would then have to call for backup. But you could not object to that, that would be sexist. And now woman are suing to be allowed to go into combat. And the fact that men will have to worry about protecting them, instead of just keeping themselves alive, cannot be brought up as that is sexist as well.
    There are jobs men are better suited to than most women, and the other way around. God did know what He was doing when He made two sexes and they are different in more ways than just sex organs. Temperment, physical strength, and such for the most part. There are women who want to be one of the boys and men who want to be one of the girls, but they are really amongst the minority despite what the media would like us all to believe. And some of the jobs that men are better adapted toward doing involve risks and other things that cause them to be considered worthy of higher pay than some of the jobs women do. Most jobs in which all attributes are equal, usually get equal pay. Man and women in elective office get the same pay. Self employed women make whatever they pay themselves. Often they pay themselves more than their male employees, so what.
    Just basically, after rambling too long, I agree with you as usual, Mr. Goldberg.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGT5LFXDWHPKRWLSI2WPBXIGXE Wil

      Well, very few people were willing to point out the obvious, that these women sat on their butts all day long, usually in nice air conditioned offices>>
      Were there any men sitting on their butts all day long, usually in nice air conditioned offices at your workplace. I bet they were making a lot more money then the workers out in the sun and the office women!

      • ph16

        I bet you have no proof for that.

    • cRescRC

      I don’t agree with you, because I don’t believe that god exists. But everything else that you said, I totally agree.

  • Kathie Ampela

    The Left are like the demon that possessed Linda Blair in the The Exorcist…they mix lies with the truth.

    I agree with your column, however, women who have been stay at home moms for awhile (and perhaps stay at home dads have had this problem as well) are penalized for their time away from the workplace. Working 24/7 taking care of kids, up at 6:00 a.m. 7 days a week, no sick or vacation days is not considered “working” and therefore it is held against you when looking for a job.  I’ve come across jobs on indeed.com, monster.com, simplyhired.com, etc. that I know I’m qualified for but my time away from the workforce is working against me.

    • Necroski

      Except it’s not a penalty. From an employer’s standpoint extended time away from work is a red flag for unreliability. Unreliable employees don’t earn raises/promotions.

  • Paul Courtney

    Bernie:  Didn’t know what I was missing on “Today”.  Bet the moderator shot right back at Nancy with a hard question like, “Nancy, how much less is your pay than other male chief medical editors?”, and “Star, so your hourly rate is 23% less than male attorneys, huh?”.  Must have been real fireworks that morn.  

  • Brushfour

      When I see some of these daytime hosts like Star Jones, they look and feel intellectually vacant.  I’m not mad at them,..I’m worn out by them.  My brother-in-law climbed and repaired radio towers.  His insurance premiums were enormous. I’m not sure if anyone even factors that in besides the clear statistics that tell a very straight forward story about pay equality within the U.S.

       Many of these contrived left-wing grievance orientated issues are like Bigfoot.  You’ve heard a lot about him,….but he ain’t out there folks. I’d give anything for someone to walk down any main street in America and find this business that’s paying women so little.  It will be a long journey,…and you won’t find it, cause it ain’t out there.

       When I read yet another moron reciting this 77% on the dollar pay for women compared to men bullshit, it makes me stare aimlessly into the abyss because I realize now as I get older, that an interesting and clear headed fact driven discussion regarding this non-issue will be impossible within my lifetime. 

  • Homer

    1. It IS a  rhetorical question. Many businesses make donations to society.
    2. How many women graduate from engineering and science schools? Not many, from my experience.

  • Drew Page

    Should every male talk show host be paid as much as Oprah was paid?   Should every male CEO be paid as much as the highest paid female CEO?   Should every person carrying the same job title be paid the same salary regardless of the results they produce?   

    You make an excellent point when you ask why would businesses trying to maximize profits would hire men at higher pay when they could find equally talented and productive women who would work for less.  The next time I hear someone carping about how much less woman make than men doing the same job, I am going to put that question to them.

  • JcoFla

    I have a very good friend who is the Human Resource Director of
    a very large medical facility. I once asked her how much more a male nurse is
    paid over the female nurses. Her first reply was to tell me it would be against
    the law. She went on to say that pay for ANY position in the facility (lab
    workers, clerical staff, cafeteria staff, even physicians) involved four measures
    of criteria; industry pay standard, education, time in employment and time in
    position. In the event of a possible promotion work evaluations, awards and
    letters of recommendation would also be considered. Nothing else mattered. My friend
    had been recruited to this facility from her a completely different industry. She
    went on to say that this was the situation at her previous employer as well. From
    the people who are saying otherwise I would like to know where they get their
    stats. The normal response is a rolling of the eyes and the answer, “Everybody
    knows this is true.” At that point I normally ask them how much more do they
    think male nurses are paid over the female nurses.

    • cRescRC

      Male nurses are paid less.

  • Guest

    The point you made, that strikes me as appropriate; ” If greedy businessmen are fixated on “maximizing profits” how do we account for so many “overpaid” men in the workforce?”
    I guess for the same reason that power-lusting Amazons are drawn, yet give focus to their “dominate-the- topic” role.
    I enjoyed my working on a three-person state board, with two exceptionally competent women. We had pay parity. And decisions from our banke reflected no gender bias.
    A female cousin of mine was from time to time a bank president, college dean and an executive officer in the photo-development field.
    She’d be about 110 years old now. So, it was not a program, leveraging or grievance by which she was known.
    It seems that with all their clout; some keep their ‘neglect’ very handy – should a panel member be needed.  A fourth for bridge.

    • GlenFS

      Dave,  I’m sorry, but I just don’t understand a thing you’ve written… no matter how many times I re-read it.

      • cRescRC

        Yup. I don’t understand either. Guest, seriously, please rewrite it.

  • Brhurdle

    I also am disgusted with “panelists” comprised of political operatives calling themselves “stragesists” appearing on TV and giving completely uninformed opinions on various subjects. It becomes obvious when they offer their words of wisdom that they are only reciting talking points that appeal to emotions and are devoid of any real logic or fact. I can’t understand the success of “The Five” since it is a totally meaningless recitation by both sides. What I’d like to know is where O’Reilly digs up those gems he has on his show. I used to be a faithful patron but I have quit watching because I find it painful to watch political hacks being allowed to spout tripe – no spin my posterior! Talk about the blind leading the gullible. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Borden/1075346246 Paul Borden

    I once worked in a newspaper’s newsroom and one of my colleagues, a female, was talking about her job. Her husband also worked at the same paper in another department. At one point, my female colleague suggested that she was thinking of taking part of next year off to spend time with her family. Admirable, but I wonder what she would have thought had her husband had the same idea.

  • Rickraimondi

    Hey Bernie, in my department, the director was a woman, and the supervisors were women. The women in the department, even though I was skill levels above them and better educated, made as much and in some cases more than I did.

  • FloridaJim

    Many women are hired at entry level positions and leave before they can move up as their skills develop. As your skills develop and your experiences with the company increases everyone can become familiar with your efforts, skills, personality, work record , quality of work and abiltity to fit in  a team each of which  helps make a complete employee.
    Over my career I began at minimal pay and minimal positions but advanced to VP over time and knowledge.
    The idea of everyone earning a “livable wage” is simply a union ploy to get a workforce arguing about different pay levels which, of course a union will “correct”. As you advance in a career you can judge the company but they can also judge you and your performance over time determines how far you progress. You may also elect to stay at one level and be happy but your pay may not rise the same as one who moves up the corporate ladder.

    • Drew Page

      Jim  –  I recently retired from a career in insurance sales.  I made a good living.   My company employed both men and women in their sales division.  There were years when other men and women sold more business than I did and years when I sold more than most of them.   There were some women and some men who consistly outperformed the others.   The highest paid sales people in the division were those that sold the most business, regardless of gender.  

  • LostAtTheZoo

    “Why wouldn’t companies only hire women to do all the work and save 23 percent on their labor costs?  This is not a rhetorical question.  If greedy businessmen are fixated on “maximizing profits” how do we account for so many “overpaid” men in the workforce?”

    Ding ding ding…. we have a winner.   I love this.  Next time the panel wants to discus this issue, someone needs to pin them down on this point and continue to bring it back up when they dodge it.

    • cRescRC

      It’s the only part of the article that is incorrect, because there are alot more men wanting to do work than women, so when they only hire women they will have a tiny workforce.
      Still it’s a good question to ask feminists.

  • SouBelle

    Never believe a statistic spouted by a liberal. They lie just about everything!

    • LostAtTheZoo

      42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

      - Steven Wright

  • James King

    There is a much more important idea than equal work for equal pay and that is the one between each employer and each employee being free to make an agreement with each other on an individual basis. Stated differently, as Napolitano might say, it’s no ones business other than the employer and employee. So what if one person gets paid more than another? People are not bees in the hive unless they belong to a union, another immoral concept.

  • GlenFS

    Just another wedge issue distraction attempt for a failed presidency.

  • GlenFS

    Just another wedge issue distraction attempt for a failed presidency.

  • EddieD_Boston

    My favorite lie from feminists is when they claim it’s a “fact” that women have to work harder than a man to get ahead or earn respect in the workplace.

    And this claim is based on what? Was it a study by a major university?

    The old adage applies that if you repeat a lie enough it becomes the truth.

  • EddieD_Boston

    My favorite lie from feminists is when they claim it’s a “fact” that women have to work harder than a man to get ahead or earn respect in the workplace.

    And this claim is based on what? Was it a study by a major university?

    The old adage applies that if you repeat a lie enough it becomes the truth.

    • http://shawmut.blogspot.com/ Dave O’Connor

      And, Eddie, on our Boston turf, we see the evidence. The YMCA (note “M”) is currently being emasculated by women administrators, female public information officers, and is to become “Oh, So, Family Friendly!”
      Picture the family workout, baby changing rooms, multi-sex saunas (bring your swim-suit to sweat in); doing away with hand-ball courts…(for which we had an international name). Sure drive the tribe down Huntington Avenue, find a parking space (along a bike lane – so far not sexually integrated) and have work-out outing.
      Look at the appointments, salaries and “juice” of the any administration; Commonwealth or municipality.  Most focussed upon is the woman.

      • EddieD_Boston

        An economics professor I had in grad school, who was department chairman, told me he had to pay a woman more b/c there are so few women economics PhDs they’re hard to come by and, b/c of competition from other schools, they go to the highest bidder.

        • http://shawmut.blogspot.com/ Dave O’Connor

          And, it’s so bizarre. Departments get ratings to fill female quotas. Which, I think a female would resent.

      • cRescRC

        I have no idea what you mean.

    • Drew Page

      The feminist claim that women have to work harder than a man to get ahead or earn respect in the workplace most likely did come from a major university ‘study’, probably Harvard.  I am sure they have similar ‘studies’ that show the same is true for minorities.   I have little to no faith in ‘studies’ conducted by major universities when it comes to social issues.

  • Bruce A.

    At my business the women I employ do diffetent types of work than the men.
    Any woman I hire is not expected to unload trucks or do any type of heavy lifting etc..   My comp insurance does not allow a differential.  For that purpose I same the same inflated rate.

  • Bruce A.

    At my business the women I employ do diffetent types of work than the men.
    Any woman I hire is not expected to unload trucks or do any type of heavy lifting etc..   My comp insurance does not allow a differential.  For that purpose I same the same inflated rate.

  • ph16

    Great points Bernie! Always enjoy your well-written articles!

  • ph16

    Great points Bernie! Always enjoy your well-written articles!

  • SendTheClunkerBackToChicago

    I find it amazing that folks like Bernie Goldberg who is very familiar with bias in the media and he and his friend Bill O’Reilly are guilty of bias.  They refuse to discuss the eligibility issues being raised by reputable lawyers and columnists and authors that would include fraudulent documents enabling this illegal occupation of the WH. 

    There is a very interesting interview conducted by Frank Gaffney with Diana West, both persons of great reputation.  The interview is only 40 minutes long when you fast forward through the advertisements.  After listening to this interview I am wholeheartedly disgusted with Bernie Goldberg and Bill O’Reilly and the rest of Fox news for not going full throtle at this President.  Obama is guilty of usurping the office of the POTUS and he has many enablers along the way. 

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/06/diana-west-discusses-obamas-forged.html

    • ph16

      Did you ever think that they might actually think he is born in Hawaii? Honestly, I don’t like President Obama as much you do. But getting caught up in this especially when he released the long form confirming he was born in Hawaii really takes the focus off the President’s record when it comes to the economy and jobs and only makes conservatives look foolish.

    • RonKean

      I’m with you but this isn’t the place or time for this fight and your insults only hurt you. 

  • SendTheClunkerBackToChicago

    I find it amazing that folks like Bernie Goldberg who is very familiar with bias in the media and he and his friend Bill O’Reilly are guilty of bias.  They refuse to discuss the eligibility issues being raised by reputable lawyers and columnists and authors that would include fraudulent documents enabling this illegal occupation of the WH. 

    There is a very interesting interview conducted by Frank Gaffney with Diana West, both persons of great reputation.  The interview is only 40 minutes long when you fast forward through the advertisements.  After listening to this interview I am wholeheartedly disgusted with Bernie Goldberg and Bill O’Reilly and the rest of Fox news for not going full throtle at this President.  Obama is guilty of usurping the office of the POTUS and he has many enablers along the way. 

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/06/diana-west-discusses-obamas-forged.html

    • ph16

      Did you ever think that they might actually think he is born in Hawaii? Honestly, I don’t like President Obama as much you do. But getting caught up in this especially when he released the long form confirming he was born in Hawaii really takes the focus off the President’s record when it comes to the economy and jobs and only makes conservatives look foolish.

      • SendTheClunkerBackToChicago

        Did you think that Richard Nixon should have gotten a pass on the Watergate scandal?  This is much, much worse than that.  If you feel Nixon should have been given a pass than I can understand you giving Obama a pass.  Do you think Romney can chew gum and walk a straight line as the same time?  I believe he can and I believe American’s want this Usurper to be forced out of office for the crime(s). 

        • ph16

           You are obsessed you know that. Obama has proven to my satisfaction that he was born in the United States. None of  you birthers will accept any evidence he was born because you have already decided for yourselves he wasn’t born in this country. So no amount of evidence will convince y0u otherwise, so let all of you crazy birthers scream all you want. But I don’t care and trust me, I want Obama out as much as you do. Trust me, I’d prefer to nail him on his economic and job record which it’s much easier to prove than his so called being born in another country. You’re insane.

    • RonKean

      I’m with you but this isn’t the place or time for this fight and your insults only hurt you. 

    • Drew Page

      It is possible that Mr. Obama was not born in an American state.  It is also possible that he was.   Raising the issue now would only serve to distract the electorate from the more important issue of his failures in office.  Unemployment continues to be unacceptably high   Gas fluctuates between $3.50 and $4.50 a gallon.   Prices on food, clothing, energy, automobiles, insurance premiums and property taxes continue to rise at more than 3% a year.  Home values have dropped.  Illegal immigration continues unabated.   We are still in Afghanistan.  

      Now is not the time to argue about where this disaster of a President was born.  I don’t care if he came from Washington D.C. or Mars.  I don’t care how well he knew Jeremiah Wright or Bill Ayers, or how many socialsts, communists and anarchists he knows or knew.   I don’t care about how much dope he took in college.   I want him out of office.  The quickest and simplest way to remove him can be found at the polls this November.

      • SendTheClunkerBackToChicago

        Pretty sad day in America when American citizens don’t give a crap about the U.S Constitution given the fact that there is a strong possibility that Barack Hussein Obama was never qualified to be POTUS.  It is really shocking coming from conservatives and/or independents.  Amazing!  No wonder we are living through this nightmare with dead heads like yourselves willing to give someone a pass on something as huge as this. 
        Add to that fact that Obama more than likely has been using fraudulent documents to continue the usurptation.   Can I assume you didn’t really care about Watergate and that they should have ignored the entire event.  If your answer is yes, than I can understand your position on Obama’s eligibility.  No matter, Obama will be resigning as a result of these investigations, any bets? 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGT5LFXDWHPKRWLSI2WPBXIGXE Wil

        How many skyscrapers have been lost during the Obama
        administration???? How many great depressions part 2 have happened under Obama’s
        watch???? How many countries have we attacked that had not attacked anyone in
        years????? Obama 2012 

  • danfarfan

    Thanks for shining light on James’ post. It is here: 
    http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/06/paycheck-fairness-act-unfairly-burdens-employees-and-employers

    The heart of the work (referenced as end note 2, by James) , seems to be an article published in American Economic Review written by June O’Neill, unfortunately in 2003. Something more recent and better yet a direct response to the source of this latest 77 cents deceit would be better. Now, no way did the fairly measured gap change from 98 cents in 2000 (the year June’s piece was written about) to 77 in 2012. That would be news worthy of our NY/DC intelligentsia.

    But hey, we live in a world where citizens allow govt and media to lie about the number one concern of citizens today,  unemployment, by letting them change the definitions and equations to suit political purposes. After that, what else could matter more?

    @DanFarfan

  • danfarfan

    Thanks for shining light on James’ post. It is here: 
    http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/06/paycheck-fairness-act-unfairly-burdens-employees-and-employers

    The heart of the work (referenced as end note 2, by James) , seems to be an article published in American Economic Review written by June O’Neill, unfortunately in 2003. Something more recent and better yet a direct response to the source of this latest 77 cents deceit would be better. Now, no way did the fairly measured gap change from 98 cents in 2000 (the year June’s piece was written about) to 77 in 2012. That would be news worthy of our NY/DC intelligentsia.

    But hey, we live in a world where citizens allow govt and media to lie about the number one concern of citizens today,  unemployment, by letting them change the definitions and equations to suit political purposes. After that, what else could matter more?

    @DanFarfan

  • RonKean

    I remember in the early 70′s when a friend’s sister, Shulamith Firestone published one of if not the seminal work of the women’s liberation movement.  Dialectics of Sex.  It was Marxist and said that women were oppressed by men in the same manner as one economic class or race is oppressed by another.  In other words communist thought exacerbated the battle of the sexes.   

  • RonKean

    I remember in the early 70′s when a friend’s sister, Shulamith Firestone published one of if not the seminal work of the women’s liberation movement.  Dialectics of Sex.  It was Marxist and said that women were oppressed by men in the same manner as one economic class or race is oppressed by another.  In other words communist thought exacerbated the battle of the sexes.