What President Obama Left Out of His Talk on Race

ObamaSix days after the trial of George Zimmerman ended, President Obama talked to America about why the not guilty verdict caused so much hurt and pain and frustration among black people, especially young black men who are often viewed with suspicion, just as Trayvon Martin was.

He spoke informally, from notes, not from a teleprompter.  And he spoke in personal terms, as a black man who has also experienced the humiliation of being taken for someone up to no good.  He said that,  “Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago.”

He talked about how young black men are followed when they walk into a store.  He said he was.  He talked about how people lock their car doors when young black men come into view.  He said it happened to him before he became a U.S. senator.  He talked about how women in elevators clutch their purses when a young black man enters.

It must be frustrating when this happens to good, decent African Americans who have no intention to do anything wrong.  It must be hurtful.  And it also must look like racism. But looks, as we know, can be deceiving.

The president examined humiliation through the eyes of black Americans. What the president did not do is examine these humiliations from the view of the wary shop owner, or the frightened people in the car, or the suspicious woman on the elevator.  What they all know is that young black men commit a disproportionate amount of crime in this country.  That’s why they’re suspicious of African American males of a certain age.  Black people know this too, since they’re the ones most likely to be victimized by young black men.

It’s worth repeating Jesse Jackson’s observation of some years back about race. “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

Is Jesse Jackson a racist?

The Rev. Jackson knows, as we all do, about the problems of crime committed by young black men.  President Obama could have said more than he did — that African Americans are disproportionately victims as well as perpetrators of violence. While that’s true, it doesn’t go far enough. It would have helped if he had explained to black Americans who were hurt by the not guilty verdict that many white people look upon young black men with suspicion for a reason.  And the reason usually isn’t racism.  It’s reality.  It would have helped if he talked about dysfunction in too much of black America and what black young men need to do to change how people view them.

In 1961, Martin Luther King Jr. spoke to a congregation in St. Louis.  He challenged his black audience in a way that few black leaders, including President Obama, do today.

“Do you know that Negroes are 10 percent of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58 percent of its crimes?” he told a congregation.  “We’ve got to face that.  And we’ve got to do something about our moral standards.”

He also said that, “We know that there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world, too.  We can’t keep on blaming the white man.  There are things we must do for ourselves.”

If you’ve been listening to civil rights leaders, black intellectuals and more than a few white liberals since the not guilty verdict came in, you might  think that the biggest problem facing black men in America is white guys with guns.  This would be laughable were it not pathetic.

The biggest problem in black America is that babies are born without fathers (more than 70 percent) and that black kids drop out of high school in epidemic numbers (more than 50 percent in some big cities).  These kids might come out okay, but the odds are against them.  And too many of them wind up without jobs, in poverty, and sooner or later in prison.

No one is saying that raw racism is dead and buried.  In a country of more than 300 million people that’s expecting too much.  But white racism in 2013 is the least of the problems facing black America.  Imagine if President Obama had said that.  Imagine if the president would just take a fraction of the time he spends talking about renewable energy and the supposed great things that will come from ObamaCare, and use that precious time instead to echo the words of Martin Luther King.  If he did that all Americans would be the better for it – especially young African American men.

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  • Bob in VA

    To this day, I lock my doors the moment I get into my car and I don’t drive through “certain neighborhoods”. That being said, I live near Newport News and Norfolk, Virginia, where the vast majority of violence is meted out by blacks. The simple fact is that stereotypes exist for a reason. And by basing my decisions on those stereotypes I’m still alive and well and my property is undamaged.

  • Charley Hodges

    this guy is trash telling blacks to blame themselves for fearful racist people. im white of course. me and most other white people dont really care to feel responsable for slavery since we had nothing to do with it. in the same way, i am sure that there are young black men that are good law abiding citizens and do not like being looked at with undeserved bias when they personaly didnt harm anybody. it isnt their fault that you cant control your irrational fear.

  • plsilverman

    10-12% using 52.2% is not a slam on the program but what made the program necessary.

    • mcveen

      Along with me and my son, anyone that chooses to fight for their country is a patriot and I never get tired of them.

    • Joel Wischkaemper

      Whoops.. Blacks are in jail for narcotics related crimes while using a weapon. Whites, Asians, Hispanics are fighting the middle Eastern wars created by… whoops.. Conservative Arabic’s.

      • plsilverman

        your nonsense has to be reported. but maybe you are right: no African American has ever fought for the USA.

        • Joel Wischkaemper

          I didn’t say that.. and almost everyone will read what I said, and what you said. And YOU are a jerk.

          You threaten to many people, and way to often. You would be far, far happier in a very different forum. But if you had done Vietnam Combat, there is NO question you would not ask everything you can about that war. Who served.. who didn’t. Limbs lost and ever so much more. If you think other wise, you are wrong. You should do the research on who is fighting our wars pal.. NOT the felons who have been released. Now go check the prison records and find out who is in jail, and in what numbers, and you will discover you made an ass out of yourself.

          Please.. no more from you to me. I strongly suspect you are a little boy with an attitude only you can correct.

          • plsilverman

            really?…I simply said [poor] Blacks have always served,,where does “felon” come in? want to explain that to us?

          • mcveen

            The explanation is that white boys have made up 95.4% of this country’s military force since 1774 according to American Heritage Foundation. The few black soldiers that participated performed admirably and have received many accolades. Most black kids now do not see military service as a way to improve their lives.

          • plsilverman

            your last sentence is disgraceful. taught to take? is that why the black and white middle class are now on a par?….95.4? well, Blacks make up about 11% of the population. But your argument is of no value, other than supporting segregation > and your percentages are trash. and please don’t quote the Heritage Foundation, who are in some ways worse than the John Birch Society? Blacks have always fought in the wars. You are wrong. And your point is very racially loaded – yet, there IS no point, other than vilification of young Black men. in WW2, the American Blacks, returning home, were forced to ride in the train car BEHIND the nazis. So, pal, do me a favor – do us a favor…contact the VFW and ask how many Blacks served in WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and currently. Your bizarre point will tumble like the house of cards it is.

          • plsilverman

            I worked in social service for over 3 decades and I can tell you that the Black work ethic is as strong as the White work ethic. and vice versa.

          • mcveen

            If you think Silverman is a jerk, meet legal beagle. Silverman is rather a nice, reasonable fellow.

      • plsilverman

        trying to understand your latest reply……your above post implies African Americans do not fight in the middle eastern wars. what R U talking about?

  • mcveen

    Good, equally balanced opinion.

    MLK said “We know that there are many things wrong in the white
    world, but there are many things wrong in the black world, too. We
    can’t keep on blaming the white man. There are things we must do for
    ourselves.”

    Some black activists seem to think that being white gives an automatic pass to economic freedom. I’m white,have a B.S. degree from Clemson, and have struggled my entire life to make a decent living because I have always been on the wrong side of the economic equation. The economy always went opposite from me. I’ve taken risks to get ahead but they did not work out and I was left worse off every time.Some might call me “just a dumb ass”. I will persevere because I refuse to accept gov’t aid, I don’t have a choice.

    My point here is that there are no guarantees for anybody in this life.One can improve their odds with honesty, hard work, and education. Even in our crazy world today, it is still hard to turn down an honest man or woman.

    Honesty from black leaders toward their followers is needed rather than gov’t subsidies. If any leader has courage, now is the time!

    • plsilverman

      Honesty lacking in Black leaders? Lack courage? This site is very critical of African-Americans, isn’t it? Now listen & learn: the “behavior” of poor, young Blacks is the same as with poor, young Whites.

      • mcveen

        Yes, honesty from black leaders is sorely lacking now. Courage in confronting the grievance industry from which the leaders are the primary beneficiaries is nonexistent.

        Respondents here are sometimes critical of African-Americans in that they are not automatically given a free pass. That’s fair isn’t it? We are all equal here.

    • plsilverman

      ever hear of Welfare Reform? is unemployment insur. a handout to a construction worker denied the chance to repair a bridge by GOP policy?

      • mcveen

        No, as long as it was a legitimate layoff. That rarely happens.

        • Charley Hodges

          well this is a democracy

  • Madge Iamow

    1. Minimum wage: The government doesn’t set prices. And since you abhor such a practice, you must rejoice at the establishment of Anti-Trust Laws and government enforcement.
    Raising full time employment above the poverty level reduces government dependency and expenditure of tax dollars.
    With more corporations outsourcing, more and more Americans are relying on what you describe as entry level jobs. Not everyone possesses the know how or capital to be an entrepreneur.
    If Republicans attained their ultimate goal, no minimum wage, many more workers would be relying on entry level wages.
    2. Head Start: Am I supposed to be impressed that a Libertarian Think Tank is opposed to federally funded Head Start? Or even surprised for that matter.
    Cato dismisses Head Start and touts the Washington D.C. program of private school vouchers for the poor. The problems being, 1. Vouchers would apply to private religious schools which is a violation of Separation of Church and State and the 1st Amendment. 2. Private schools are not subject to the oversight as are the public schools. (Public schools must accept everyone, regardless of race, creed, color or disability.) 3. Vouchers take funds away from public schools and the children attending them.
    The study by the Dept. of Health and Human Services also questions whether the fault lies not with Head Start but rather later experiences in school and the community. They further state: “Finally, this study leaves many questions about Head Start unanswered.”
    4. Job Bill: Taxes on private enterprises.
    In 2012, President Obama asked Congress to eliminate corporate loopholes and subsidies while reducing the tax rate of 35% to 28%. some manufacturers having preferences that would set their maximum rate at 25%. Republicans balked at an established minimum tax on multionational corporation’s foreign earnings. They want corporations to have lower taxes, tax loopholes, subsidies and NO penalties on corporations who move and operate overseas! Nice Gift for Big Business!
    You don’t like government programs for the less fortunate, how do you feel about subsidies for Corporations? Never mind, I already know.
    5./6. ACA/Medicaid:
    For some unknown reason, the Right defines Affordable as being FREE. Not so. I urge you to educate yourself as to the ins and outs of our ACA law. Individuals who can afford health insurance but fail to be insured incur penalties. That’s personal responsibility. Isn’t that what the Right advocates ad nauseum? (While giving tax loopholes and subsidies to the rich.) Businesses with fewer than 50 full-time employees are excempt. If an employer does not provide health insurance (over 50 full-time employees) they are required to supply each employee with information regarding state health insurance exchanges. (Buying health care insurance across state lines. Isn’t that something Republicans have wanted?) IF the employee qualifies for a subsidy under the state, the employer can be fined if there is no employer contribution. The lower costs from the competition provided by the exchanges can encourage more employers to offer health insurance.
    “I laugh at your ignorance.” I would laugh at yours if I thought ignorance, especially when knowledge is a mere click away, was laughable. I don’t find it to be so. Medicaid is not a Public Option. It is a health care option funded by taxpayers to help the neediest. Public option health care is a government sponsored plan that is funded by the premium payments of its users. Medicaid is part of the Social Security package. Ergo, Medicaid is NOT a public option.
    “I say, deny them health care.” Hardly a shocking proposal since this has been the attitude of the Right. By denying them healthcare I take it you even parted company with the Severely Conservative Mitt Romney since he at least invited the uninsured to visit their nearest E.R.
    “If you feel so compelled to care for them set up a charity and the rest of us will consider contributing.”
    Thanks for your possible donations but I believe those less fortunate would opt for the Left’s supposed ‘death panels’ rather than the Right’s ‘Bug Off and Die’.
    As for, “You are truly a low information voter.” It always amuses me (see, I do have a sense of humor) how the Right continues to make feeble attempts at insults/name calling. Anyone possessing a mind receptive to new ideas and arguments knows that each and everyday is an opportunity to learn more about the people and world around us. Unlike many on the Right, I do not profess to be All Knowing.

    • George Williams

      1. Minimum wage: The government doesn’t set prices. And since you abhor such a practice, you must rejoice at the establishment of Anti-Trust Laws and government enforcement.
      Raising full time employment above the poverty level reduces government dependency and tax dollars.
      With more corporations outsourcing, more and more Americans are relying on what you describe as entry level jobs. Not everyone possesses the know how or capital to be an entrepreneur.
      If Republicans attained their ultimate goal, no minimum wage, many more workers would be relying on entry level wages.

      In a capitalist society, just as goods are priced by the market, so are wages. When labor is plentiful, wages are lower. As markets expand, more workers are required to produce goods and services, the employment rate increases and employers have to raise wages to compete for workers. The Republican economic strategy is to promote economic growth and expand markets, resulting in higher wages for everyone. it’a natural supply and demand strategy, one that works.

      2. Head Start: Am I supposed to be impressed that a Libertarian Think Tank is opposed to federally funded Head Start? Or even surprised for that matter.
      Cato dismi sses Hea d Start and touts the Washington D.C. program of private school vouchers for the poor. The problems being, 1. Vouchers would apply to private religious schools which is a violation of Separation of Church and State and the 1st Amendment.

      I amazed that you progressives even permit fire, police, sewage and water services for churches. Your interpretation of the establishment clause would prohibit them. If vouchers were available for all, religious or not, just how would government be giving preferential treatment to a religion? Just how would the 1st Amendment be violated.

      2. Private schools are not subject to the oversight as are the public schools. (Public schools must accept everyone, regardless of race, creed, color or disability.)

      Private schools would be subject to oversight by parents, people who have a direct interest in the welfare of their children. I’d trust them to care for their children better than a school board.

      3. Vouchers take funds away from public schools and the children attending them.
      The study by the Dept. of Health and Human Services also questions whether the fault lies not with Head Start but rather later experiences in school and the community. They further state: “Finally, this study leaves many questions about Head Start unanswered.”

      Vouchers would only be redirecting taxes back to taxpayers that are already paid by the taxpayer. If everyone was treated equally, religious and otherwise, how would the state be establishing a specific religion ?

      5./6. ACA/Medicaid:
      For some unknown reason, the Right defines Affordable as being FREE. Not so. I urge you to educate yourself as to the ins and outs of our ACA law. Individuals who can afford health insurance but fail to be insured incur penalties. That’s personal responsibility. Isn’t that what the Right advocates ad nauseum?

      I note your disdain for personal responsibility. Typical progressive who believes in the welfare state. I prefer that hospitals be given the power to sue individuals who can afford to pay their hospital bills but don’t, than give the state the authority to make people by a product they don’t want, else they feel the full weight of the state on their shoulders. Pathetically, you prefer tyranny over freedom. Your solution is to destroy the capitalist relationship between the individual and the hospital care system. By seeking to control wages and prices by government fiat, you will reduce the number of doctors and reduce the number of health care providers. For this you and your ilk will be duly reviled, as people come to see how your ignorant tinkering will destroy the health care system.

      (While giving tax loopholes and subsidies to the rich.) Businesses with fewer than 50 full-time employees are excempt. If an employer does not provide health insurance (over 50 full-time employees) the y are re quired to supply each employee with information regarding state health insurance exchanges. (Buying health care insurance across state lines. Isn’t that something Republicans have wanted?) IF the employee qualifies for a subsidy under the state, the employer can be fined if there is no employer contribution. The lower costs from the competition provided by the exchanges can encourage more employers to offer health insurance.
      “I laugh at your ignorance.” I would laugh at yours if I thought ignorance, especially when knowledge is a mere click away, was laughable. I don’t find it to be so. Medicaid is not a Public Option. It is a health care option funded by taxpayers to help the neediest. Public option health care is a government sponsored plan that is funded by the premium payments of its users. Medicaid is part of the Social Security package. Ergo, Medicaid is NOT a public option.
      “I say, deny them health care.” Hardly a shocking proposal since this has been the attitude of the Right. By denying them healthcare I take it you even parted company with the Severely Conservative Mitt Romney since he at least invited the uninsured to visit their nearest E.R.
      “If you feel so compelled to care for them set up a charity and the rest of us will consider contributing.”
      Thanks for your possible donations but I believe those less fortunate would opt for the Left’s supposed ‘death panels’ rather than the Right’s ‘Bug Off and Die’.
      As for, “You are truly a low information voter.” It always amuses me (see, I do have a sense of humor) how the Right continues to make feeble attempts at insults/name calling. Anyone possessing a mind receptive to new ideas and arguments knows that each and everyday is an oppourtunity to learn more about the people and world around us. Unlike many on the Right, I do not profess to be All Knowing.

      When did the state obtain the right to dictate employer compensation? After all, health insurance is just another form of compensation to employees? Wages and benefits, including health insurance, have always been negotiated between employer and employee, until the National Socialists like Obama administration came to power. If you don’t like the name calling; don’t take on the power of tyrants. As to new ideas, your ideas are hardly new. What you are merely doing is copying failures and expecting them to be successful.

      • Madge Iamow

        1. “Only socialist and communist countries dictate wages and prices.”
        If you were referring to wages exclusively and not price fixing of manufactured products, you were redundant and hence the misunderstanding. If you consider labor as a commodity, you are in the minority.
        Government sets a minimum wage. They do not set a ceiling on wages.
        Considering the exploitation of workers overseas by major American corporations, do you think they should be trusted to operate with the U.S. without government regulations?
        2. “I amazed that you progressives even permit fire, police, sewage and water services for churches.”
        These services are for the common good and provide safety for all. I in turn am amazed by the lack of outcry from the Right considering the platform of ‘personal responsibility’ and abhorrence of ‘freebies’.
        3. “I’d trust them to care for their children better than a school board.”
        Just as you question my education, I question your reading comprehension. I repeat, “Private schools are not subject to oversight. (Public schools are required to accept everyone regardless of race, creed, color, or disability.)” Private schools set their own requirements for entry opening the door to possible discrimination and elitism.
        As for Separation of Church and State, and federal funds to religious based schools, SCOTUS has ruled it to be unconstitutional.
        Any funding by government to a religious organization can be seen as promoting a particular religion or religion as a whole. It doesn’t matter if it is one religion or many.
        5. “I prefer that hospitals be given the power to sue individuals who can afford to pay…..”
        Hospitals sue individuals everyday, even those who can’t afford to pay. That portion of your wish has been granted. In fact, hospitals can sue for the amount greater than the reduced amount they accept from insurance companies.
        I ‘wish’ hospitals would cease to inflate prices. Years ago my minor son’s hospital bill listed a “personal item” and billed $114 dollars! The insurance refused to pay for that ‘item’ and I was billed. I challenged the charge, the hospital removed the item and avoided telling me just what the item actually was. I do you feel about $20 for a Tylennol?
        As I said before, you would do well to acquaint yourself with our ACA law.
        Lastly, “If you don’t like name calling; don’t take on the power of tyrants.”
        I do believe I said I was AMUSED, not bothered, by the Right’s feeble attempts to insult. I do question the need to employ name calling however. Is it a product of frustration, intolerance, or perhaps you were channeling your inner child. Who knows? Not me. Who cares? Most certainly, not me.

        • mcveen

          I trust neither corporations or government because their ultimate goals are the same- POWER and MONEY!

          Given a choice between the two evils ruling our world, I have to choose corporate power over gov’t because corps cannot yet forcibly coerce meager savings from citizens. We the people have no realistic defense against gov’t confiscation of our hard earned money!

    • George Williams

      1. Madge: “The government doesn’t set prices. ” Labor is a commodity. You are proposing that the minimum price of labor be set by the government, resulting in raising the base line of poverty. Just as is raising taxes on fuel oil, raising the price of labor is inflationary. By setting a minimum wage, government has to raise its subsidies to low wage earners when prices rise. Again, Madge, I don’t know where you got your education, but it didn’t include even a modicum of economics.

    • mcveen

      Madge, I agree that insults should not be part of the discussion. You don’t help the conservative response with that so CUT THE CRAP George! Argue with facts and logic.

  • George Williams

    Silverman is a jackass. Give me a like if you agree.

    • plsilverman

      aw, cute. but I will give U credit for such a thoughtful, evidence-laden post. plus I can see you are working on your Silverman fetish. not that there’s anything wrong with it!

    • emenot

      Why?

  • plsilverman

    to a 17 year old? “N-word” in the “‘hood” is the same as ANY epithet in ANY ethnic/religious community. If it’s informal and between two people, then it’s actually a bonding act. got it? sure ya do!

    • mcveen

      OK, if you say so. Growing up, I was taught that both terms are derogatory and intended as a putdown or insult, especially nigg** or nigg*. Use of those epithets was not condoned or accepted among “decent” people. That’s why I’ve never understood the black community’s embrace of those nasty words.

  • Joel Wischkaemper

    A magnificent article. Thank you.
    And as you speak, do you see any problem which are created by Black Racism? I most certainly do, but I was watching the first Los Angeles Riots and never dreamed our leadership would allow the course that was followed since. A black resident was doing a run to a liquor store and got caught. Burn baby burn insued, and then, something like 68 more communities were either burned, or partially burned. Watts never came back and you can bet your life you better not try and change that either.
    In Washington DC some Asian Type tried to establish a store and was being shoplifted to death. He was threated into bankruptcy and that was one dead store today, and after all these years.
    NOW.. now Obama wants to help African Americans move into the White Community where all the shopping potential is. And, he is going to help White’s move into Black Communities. I would have thought no one was that stupid, but then, I have personal experience which makes me rejoice when I move into an all White Community. I don’t want to hear somebody is sorry I feel that way about it either unless they are returning the money.
    At the time the African Americans burned some 68 cities, they wound up demanding their own communities.. and wanted to be left alone. Now… naa. It is probably just the moon moving away from the earth.

    • Joel Wischkaemper

      You know something.. I don’t like the Black Culture. It isn’t racism and most certainly, African Americans are doing very well for many. Not for me.. and of course, because I like my culture, I am called a racist. Something I am slowly beginning to believe may be, and maybe will be, a survival tool.

      • plsilverman

        Don’t like what elements of Black Culture? We do not *have* to like anything but we should respect other cultures. > That’s a very sweeping statement you made: Black authors? Black architects? Black artists? Black musicians? Black politicians? Black inventors?
        Black Culture is as much *American Culture* as is White culture.

        • mcveen

          Except Black Culture is much more accepting and reliant on handouts and excuses, no?.

    • Madge Iamow

      Joel, I don’t know how to break this to you but on July 29th there was a riot in Huntington Beach, California! A rowdy bunch of surf enthusiasts rioted, looted, started fires, turned over porta potties, damaged private property and darned if they didn’t look white! Some people are asking, “Where’s the white leadership? Where’s Rush? Where’s Sean Hannity?” They’re kidding of course. Chastising those white youths is no more the responsibility of Rush or Hannity anymore than the President of the United States is obligated to discipline those who break the law in the black community.
      Not sure why you perceived that President Obama was speaking of racism rather than how young black men are perceived in an unfair light as a whole. White Americans would never stand for stop and frisk as is done in New York City. (If you tell me crime is down as a result, I’ll be forced to say the majority of mass shooters are white so why not institute gun control.)
      “Now..now Obama wants to help African Americans move into the White Community where all the shopping potential is.” The implication being that Black Americans will shop Lift as opposed to Shop? Joel, I worked retail for close to 20 years. Our biggest problem with theft was committed by employees! Employees who were 99% white and shoplifters who worked as well organized groups. Groups who made their living shop lifting.
      Sorry Joel but you sound as backward as Bill O’Reilly! Bill O’Reilly who, back in 2007, went to dinner in Harlem with Rev. Al Sharpton. Quote: “It was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun. And there wasn’t any kind of craziness at all.” Bill was even surprised that no one was shouting, “M.F.-er, I want more iced tea.” Dear God! It isn’t How far we have come. It’s How far we haven’t come!

      • Joel Wischkaemper

        What a cute response and if you don’t understand the difference between the riots of ’68 and I believe ’72, and those riots in Huntington Beach, you really don’t understand social dynamics.
        Shop lift, or shop? In the first place they should not be transplanted in other than a natural way. You don’t see Whites moving into the Black Community, and Black in the White Community display very racist and/or bigoted attitudes. Why in the world does anyone think they have a right to do that to another group.
        So back to the business of shop, or shop lift: if they intended to shop, and not shop lift, business would be breaking barriers to get into the African American Communities. Now you will discover Obama has not published a great deal of data because, as his group puts it, racists will use the information to their purposes. That means the very worst of bigotry is applied to any critics of the African American Community is applied by Obama. You have to go into the black community yourself and when you do, count the closed stores and extrapolate. I lived it, and then looked at it. We need to have the data released because there is a problem with the assumptions about the white folks motives. And in fact, the problems exist with all the assumptions about the white folks motives, and the only thing that will fix that is the date sets are released.

        • Joel Wischkaemper

          All data regarding race should be released. When it is not, it inevitably creates pressure cooker social conditions. Open the data up, and talk about it! That is where the solutions lie, and there ARE a lot of solution that need to be found.

          • plsilverman

            it’s been done by Pat Moynahan. no diff. between poor Blacks and poor Whites. plus, a lot of disturbance is a monster of segregation.

          • mcveen

            Non sequitur.

        • Guest

          Joel, the causes may be different but the results are much the same. Damaged or destroyed property, stolen property, injuries, a black eye on the community.
          “They should not be transplanted in other than a natural way.” How is it being done otherwise? U

        • Madge Iamow

          Joel, the causes may differ but the results are much the same. Damaged or destroyed property, stolen property, injuries, etc. Not sure what you meant by, “….and never dreamed our leadership would allow the course that has followed since.”
          So, any comments as to why Obama is obligated to chastise the Black Community? Hillary Clinton’s “It Takes a Village” was met with vilification. The Conservative (white) outcry was, ‘Don’t tell me how to raise my children or run my family! ‘ and continues today going so far as railing against Michelle Obama’s supported school lunch regulations. And yet, in turn, Bill O’Reilly has no qualms when it comes to lecturing the Black Community and spewing his edicts as THE answer to their plight.
          To you, the one and only reason for businesses leaving the black community is theft? Economics plays no part? African-Americans who have managed to better themselves through education and higher paying jobs have moved ‘naturally’ into more affluent neighborhoods. The reasons for moving are numerous, better schools for their children is one. Just as school ratings play a part in where White Americans choose to live. Factory closings and relocation overseas has effected the economy in poorer communities. Less funds, less purchasing power. The more mobile citizens are, the more likely they are to patronize shops out of their area. If you’re familiar with lower economic neighborhoods you’ll know that even nationwide department stores stock inferior products that middle and upper class neighborhoods would never tolerate while charging comparable prices. I know this having worked for years for a nationally known department store. Grocery stores with fewer choices and produce that other stores would reject. Unfortunately black ownership within the community is hampered by a lack of investment money and a lack of managerial skills to fill the vacuum of non-residents who close their business and move elsewhere.
          In closing, how would you describe the words and attitude of O’Reilly concerning his visit to Harlem? Racism, Ignorance, Superiority or all of the above?

          • George Williams

            “”It Takes a Village” was met with vilification.” Americans have always believe in individual responsibility. The communists and the Nazis believed in collective responsibility for bringing put children as part of the indoctrinated hive. Hillary is a socialist, perhaps even a communist, though she would deny it if accused. Her dogma tells us otherwise. If it quacks like a duck…… Conservatives believe that those responsible for birthing children should be held accountable for their children’s education and socialization. Collectivization makes everyone responsible, yet no one individual responsible. Spreading responsibility only spreads the burden of responsibility so thin as to make individuals feel less guilty if they fail. The incentive to succeed is diminished as the consequences of failure to the “villager” are very small..

          • plsilverman

            socialist…Communist…..Nazi. connect those dots. your view of Hilary is very biased. she believes in the same socialistic programs that most Americans believe in. all for one, one for all; be a team player; in sports, in the military, etc., we embrace a “team effort”. Hilary was saying, try to keep an eye on your neighbors’ kids when both parents are not around. she’s saying, be a little league coach. that’s all.

          • mcveen

            Fine ideal. However, the contributors never get a break when gov’t is the enforcer. Gov’t knows too well that no ‘village’ is involved; coercion and force is the way to build undeniable power. For proof, observe your local and state police. (And the Feds, above all.)

          • plsilverman

            my own experience with Police is that they are Civilian Warriors and should be given raises. I am aware of abuses in isolated places, which do not reflect the mission statement of the Police Station.

          • mcveen

            The present action statement of the police that I and many other Americans witness daily is ‘screw the people, get the money’.

          • mcveen

            Madge, in a world that demands prescient investment decisions in order to make a return, of course black neighborhoods are going to suffer. The axiom is not fair to some people but I think we can agree that this is one natural law that will never change, despite gov’t efforts amounting to $trillions over the past 50 years to change it. It is up to black congregants living in their neighborhoods to change the dynamic. Obviously, the gov’t can’t do it so who else can do it? Past $trillions not enough? How much will it take?

          • mcveen

            In light of the national news lately re: black teenage hate and ill will toward others, it is President Obama’s first job to address the issue. Though doubtful that he is leader for all Americans, he certainly is a leader of black Americans. It didn’t take him long to voice concern for Travon. Why not now?

          • plsilverman

            why do you say he not a leader for all? can U be specific? has he not addressed student loan reform – only for Blacks? has he not addressed mortgage refinancing for those VICTIMIZED by the Wall Street subprime gamblers? Black teenage hate? Any worse than White teenage hate? I worked in Social Service and Employer Advocacy for over 3 decades. Poor whites and poor Blacks have the same concerns and express them in the same way. .

          • mcveen

            Generally, white kids do not reflexively blame blacks for their problems to the degree that they want to just take some out. Who taught black kids to automatically hate white people? Would recognized leaders of the black community, always stirring the cauldron, have anything to do with it?

            Let’s admit that most of us are about money. Current black leaders always take the cheap, easy way to it and that’s why most people don’t respect them. Rather than address any real problems, claim racism!

            I would like to see the black community reject the fraudsters and latch onto honest leaders. Yes, white and black communities have many problems today but gov’t cannot solve them.

          • plsilverman

            “solve” is a heavy task…fund on the job training for qualified youth is a good start. employers eat it up.

          • mcveen

            Thanks man. I agree!

          • mcveen

            In the never ending pursuit of ‘fairness for everyone’ in white Europe and America, blacks have been coddled and favored since 1965 (more or less). American blacks have realized the advantage in playing white sense of fairness ever since and convinced us that we should feel guilt. Other colored peoples have never found it necessary to feel the same sense of guilt, even though they were much larger historical players in the slave trade. Will the white man ever be able to trade the yoke of black contrivance in grievance, entitlement, ignorance, poverty, and self destruction?

            Will your people (in a larger sense) ever show any willingness to improve?

          • plsilverman

            what do you mean “black contrivance”? guilt? well, look at the history….slavery into apartheid into segregation…into denial of education, jobs, medical services > “let ‘em bleed to death”………..by 2013 the middle class whites and lacks are about even…why don’t you criticize the behavior of middle class whites? what great White Power do you reference when you say that Blacks have been “given” anything? I worked as a labor specialist for 3 decades and I know that the work ethic is just as strong with Blacks as with Whites, on any economic rung. but when you have been denied a real education and other services, have watched good schools go unfunded, protective and medical services cut back, it’s a little more difficult. when the GOP keeps shutting down local plants to pay .50 an hour overseas, then someone without a car has a bigger problem than others. you got a problem with medicare? with social security? you gonna return part of your social security, pal? you don’t like unemployment extensions? ok, neither do the production and construction workers forced to GO ON UNEMPLOYMENT by the religious right obstructionists in Washington.

          • mcveen

            I don’t get social security or anything else from gov’t, only pay, pay, and pay some more. All any gov’t has done for me is to SCREW ME using the $ I paid them to do it. When I am able to get work, I pay about 43% in state and fed taxes, so do wish that I could keep that 16% taken every time for SS & medicare to invest in MY future.

          • mcveen

            Unworthy of reply.

          • plsilverman

            you just did.

          • Joe Adams

            And this should be gov’t funded, right?

          • plsilverman

            the government can adequately FUND local schools in the “inner city”. maybe if the GOP would agree to fund accordingly, there’d be less children roaming around on Monday mornings. and Monday nights.

          • mcveen

            Agreed, but I’d rather not have feds involved in local schools. Feds can’t manage Washington, much less Greelyville, SC.

          • plsilverman

            “honest black woman”? “dark skinned”? what decade do U live in? what part of the country? by the way, West is a politically speaking nutcase: “68 to 71 Commies in at the Capitol”? R U kidding?

          • mcveen

            “honest black woman”? “dark skinned”? Yes, they are. Why do you have a problem with the description? I don’t care what color they are, I admire honest politicians. We could use a lot more like them, regardless of color because they make their way without pounding the virtues of victim hood, grievance, and entitlement.

          • plsilverman

            nah, nah…”honest black woman” phrase needs some explanation.

          • mcveen

            Mayor Mia Love is an honest black woman that wants to end slavery from the federal government and provides the perfect contrast to Shirley Chisholm, an ugly, militant promoter of black hatred.

          • plsilverman

            what “slavery rom the federal government”? and what does “ugly” have to do with anything. ya mean her teeth, or whatever? ever hear of welfare reform? probably not. is medicare and Medicaid and unemployment extensions to cover corporate raids and return of stimulus money and war by the GOP against production and construction workers? what decade are you in? you are back in the late ’70s with all this racially charged garbage. Shirley Chisolm did more for all ethnicities in one week than any current GOP you can name have done in their careers. you wanna discuss her career with me? Adam Clayton Powell? who?

          • mcveen

            Sorry, my mistake naming Shirley Chisholm. I meant to say Maxine Waters. I got the name wrong. I agree with you about Shirley Chisholm. I liked her too. Maxine Waters is the one I wanted to contrast with Mia Love.

          • plsilverman

            Maxine Waters? …..what has she said/done to deserve being described as anti-American? all politicians gaffe and use hyperbole.

          • mcveen

            You talking Maxine Waters?

            An ugly, militant promoter of the easy, deleterious black leadership props of grievance, blame and hatred.

          • mcveen

            Hi Madge. You, me, and the guy behind the tree have plenty of advise for our communities. If perps listened to us, they would improve. But the guys with megaphones refuse to be honest with their people and only want to make money for themselves.

          • plsilverman

            really? care to name a few? leave out Sharpton and Jackson. they make a lot less $$$ off the people than do the corporate raiders who do away with their jobs.>>by the way, Reverends are allowed to pass the hat. no? ok, so give us some names and leave those guys out.

          • mcveen

            Sharpton and Jackson take most of the popular media air now but some figures come to mind.

            Tim Scott (dark skinned honest guy) is a starter. J.C. Watts is another. Rev Jesse Peterson is too honest. Colonel Allen West is a legitimate leader that could be a future president. Don Lemon has 10 times the courage of Al & Jesse put together! Herman Cain had issues but is an honorable man with entrepreneurial fervor that does not need to blame whites. Artur Davis, former U.S. Representative and Obama nominator at the Democrat convention in 2008, thought the President would be more forthcoming re: race relations and deserted the plantation.

            Mayor Mia Love is an honest black woman that wants to end slavery from the federal government. Dr. Benjamin Carson, director of pediatric neurosurgery, Johns Hopkins Hospital speaks “truth to power” but is shunned by the black power structure because he eschews gov’t handouts for anyone. Colin Powell is recognized in the US and internationally as a very successful military, political leader, and Sec. of State. Powell, an honest, respective man of great power, stated in a 2012 Philadelphia speech that “absence of black responsibility for self inflicted failures today guarantees failure tomorrow”.

            I could go on but I’m getting tired of this.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            A+ by me.

          • plsilverman

            I’m not gonna go thru the routine: “dark skinned honest guy”.?…ok, you probably mean a real public servant who happens to be African American….because your phrasing is very peculiar and can be read as very insensitive. you need to work on toning down your phraseology.

          • mcveen

            Yes, I meant what you say,

          • plsilverman

            (Lower income) Minorities want a real, full-time job and decent transportation. Just like…majorities. The bad reports on minorities come mostly from the rightwing media.

            About “giving me stuff”…..that’s the old welfare system, gone since the ’90s. O’Reilly and his elite don’t understand that.

          • mcveen

            O’Reilly started as a poor boy from a small, tract house in Levittown, Pa. Bill’s Dad was an alcoholic factory worker that often beat on him to take out his frustrations. Even so, his momma and daddy lived in the same house with him. Billy had siblings, but he got most of the abuse.

            Bill O’Reilly is great because he refused to accept gov’t thinking that dependents are inherently weak and just can’t do any better for themselves.This long, rich strategy by gov’t profiteers may be cracking a little bit now. The ball of opportunity might be coming back toward minorities. Y’all would do well by studying O’Reilly’s example.

          • plsilverman

            O’Reilly? I watched him 5 nights a week from 1996 to about 2008. Bought his books, ok? don’t be so teary eyed about him….he came up lower middle class and made good. not to be negative but it appears to me that he was a fluff reporter for the bigs then went to fox, when fox was actually fair and balanced. now he is just another 24-7 Obama hater…though many times his real “heart” comes out and he scolds the 3rd rate ideologues who say sick things on his dime. he got in trouble with that staffer who accused him of sexual harassment….I wasn’t there. but the REAL POINT is that he is wrong about the givers and the takers. he does not understand welfare reform or what really takes place at the welfare office and the unemployment office and the responsibilities of the claims examiners and the job developers. he also does not understand that welfare at the bottom and top is about equal. BUT the top has ZERO accountability to the taxpayers.

          • mcveen

            Your animus re: O’Reilly was amply demonstrated but prevented cogent reply to the argument against gov’t dependence. Do you like the current situation of gov’t owning minorities lock, stock, and barrel?

          • plsilverman

            really? did U read how I watched him 5 nites per. week..if he had continued being fair and balanced, I would have kept up my fanship. “owning minorities”? since welfare reform, impossible. like O’Reilly, you have no understanding how welfare reform works. had to say it. but give me a 2 sentence detail on what that pungent phrase means in 2013.

          • mcveen

            An honest ? for plsilverman. Why is a conservative black spokesman or leader always automatically rejected and demonized by the black/Democrat power structure for simply promoting self reliance?

          • plsilverman

            because thye demonze the Left. it’s a never0-endi9ng thing – the Left calls racism (and I agree with many of those calls) and then the ruight says they are playing the race card…..I will admit that in the past Sharpton and Jacvkson did not do what they could have done….Sharpton, although there’s nothing wrong with believing a teenager who says she was attacked, really acted horribly – now he pays something like 175.00 to Officer Pagones (sic). But now in 2013, I see a dignified, elder statesman…I like his TV show. In the past Jackson also did no act like a Reverend. as I understand it, with a love child and let’s say “coercing” big companies to hire people that Jackson approves of. He even got his son a prestigious job at one of the companies, it appears he “shamed” into donating to his organization. bad stuff. But it’s not fair to always mention these guys. they *have* done great things…have gotten arrested..have been in harm’s way without a doubt…Jackson traveled the globe to help free hostages.>>>the usual complaint – and often from “neutral” people like Bill Cosby is that there is not enough emphasis in the Black Churches to teach the children to stay away from sex until they are married. yes, children having children is a disaster. but then the hard right says, it’s all about Blacks and they do not address the FACT that the very poor of all ethnicities have similar problems.

          • mcveen

            Their primary message is about self reliance.

            Media detractors & gov’t dependers try to twist other things into the message and intent for their own purposes.

          • plsilverman

            you are not in 2013, with this subject. not even 1993. the poor and middle class WHITES and BLACKS are on a par. that “welfare cycle” ended long ago. if there is an *economic* drain it happens at the very bottom and very top of the economic ladder. “dependers” my foot. R U kidding? those dependers fight the wars and get the lay off notices. know your subject before you start chanting away.

          • mcveen

            Good. Outside periphery, I can agree with the central argument.

          • plsilverman

            good to disagree with a true pundit…but “outside periphery”, say wha’?

          • mcveen

            I agree with your central thesis but not the opening or closing entendres.

            I really like Dr. Ben Carson. Do you know anything about him?

          • plsilverman

            what I’ve skimmed in editorials or read on facebook, etc.

          • plsilverman

            promoting self reliance? tell us how a blue collar worker, denied the chance by the obstructionist extremists at the Capitol to return to work on infrastructure or in production, is being irresponsible? so when a Leftist Black Leader says let’s cut down on the outsourcing and let’s tell Red state governors to please sign a bridge, tunnel, or road contract, you say that is being a nanny?

          • Joe Adams

            I didn’t say any of that. You did.

          • plsilverman

            I thought I was replying to Mr. McVeen. shucks…

          • plsilverman

            who is “they”? there are many African American activists who do a lot. yes, those (yuk, yuk) Community Organizers – Church people, business people, who work with the Employment Service in Jobs Training Programs/recruitments. I worked with them for years. they may work off a grant..but I believe make zero money for themselves. further, when an inner city cannot get decent funding, there’s problems. saying guys like Sharpton, Jackson, basically do nothing…not true. and what is the “easy train”?

          • mcveen

            Guys like Sharpton, Jackson do much less than nothing for America. They show up occasionally during a small or large riot to scim surface $ for themselves when the take is quick & easy. What else have either of them ever done for anyone but themselves? My black friends hate both (and others like them).

          • mcveen

            O’Reilly has a little superior attitude because he thinks he is smarter than most, but racist or ignorant, he is not. You show a personal bias by supposing that.

          • plsilverman

            O’Reilly said that African Americans were better off enslaved here than remaining in their home nations. that’s not…racially charged, and insulting?

          • mcveen

            For bad boys, you really twisted that one!

          • plsilverman

            “bad boys”?

          • mcveen

            It was a naughty poke re: ‘those bones of rodents near the slave homes’. That throw was way too long.

          • plsilverman

            a sad fact.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            Nope.

          • plsilverman

            “bad boys”? sounds slightly racist.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            Actually, he should have said all the slaves that were brought to the New World.. white, gold, black and brown, were far better off as slaves than remaining in their own nations. Better off slaves than those condition they met after the Civil War. And no.. it is not racially insulting if you understand why, and understanding why is just not that difficult.
            Slave owners, never laid off their slaves. They were worth a lot of money, so they made sure they were reasonably well fed, and got to see a doctor when it was needed.
            EX slave owners laid off all kinds of people after the Civil War everywhere in this country. The army didn’t need boots and uniforms.. the manufacturer didn’t need workers. Believe in this: the workers all over this country were starving to death in their little shanty houses from Northern Minnesota to the depths of the Okeephnokee Swamp.
            10%, at the tops, of the people were educated. Those people were foot loose and fancy free. Everyone else did a Tom Sawyer, or they didn’t see much beyond the chopping block out back of the house, and the rear end of a plow horse.
            Freedom wasn’t ‘free’ at all.

          • plsilverman

            yes, you’re right. after Slavery, when those generous plantation owners had to pay all workers, suddenly “slaves”, excuse me “ex-slaves” -could be layed off! that is MUCH WORSE than being beaten, raped, separated from family, hung on a whim. oh yes, we know they were well fed. all those bones of rodents near the slave homes attest to that.

          • mcveen

            Warped logic about self deluded ideas! That’s what I meant to say before. Perfect example.

          • plsilverman

            self deluded? mighty sophisticated phrase for a vacuous thought. you say my history is wrong? how? maybe in the minds of 87 IQ Confederates.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            Your horror stories didn’t happen generally. And your bigotry, or is it racism, is impossible to deal with.

          • plsilverman

            didn’t happen “generally”. very intelligent. the fact that they (you call them “stories”) DID happen in the numbers they DID, tells us something about our history.> you know, you would never dare call me a “bigot” my face, would you? and you call me a racist? :) >notice I will not say you are playing the race card because I don’t deal in clichés, as you do.

          • mcveen

            Is it not true?

          • plsilverman

            “blame” those who *sold* slaves? that is one of the worst arguments ever made on this subject. yes, the seller is at fault…but the buyer is a lot more at fault BECAUSE he never intended to treat those people as more than a child or in most cases, like a dependable mule. The “slaves” were raped, were lynched and burned alive for fun; upon arrival families were permanently separated; males and females were FORCED like animals to procreate, if they were of large stature. >>> your argument is garbage..would you stand up in a grammar school classroom and say what you said/linked? it’s very disturbing.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            I am going to write this, but I am not going to respond to the responses.

            McVeen is correct.
            ———————————–
            1. The Brits outlawed slavery in 1836 I believe. They want to stop the import of slaves into the Caribbean, and devoted navel power to that task. Something the Americans were also trying to do.
            2. The ride over for the slaves was horrendous. If the slavers were caught, their vessels would be taken away from them and how the slaves were treated did not make a lot of difference to the slavers. How people treated on another didn’t make any difference to a lot of people.. you did what you had to do and that was that.
            3. In the delta states of the United States, they were still able to grow cotton. Virginia, actually, was not because her soil was exhausted: a quarter bail on an section was pretty good for some of that land. But that would not support the cost of slaves. Most of the slaves that did get through, went to those delta states because the African Slaves were not afflicted by malaria/yellow fever, and could survive down there. White slaves did not, by the way, and neither did owners.
            4. Slaves were expensive to buy. In fact, $10,000 for a prime male slave was not unusual according to the Tennessee Historical Volumes. Once they got off the ship, they were treated like the single most expensive item those owners owned and while I am sure they were intimidated.. they were not, generally, physically harmed, and other means were used to control the slaves. Chains and shackles for example, and that made the need (and extreme danger) to inflict pain even less.
            5. With slaves in the areas of the Deltas with yellow fever and malaria, the growers could grow two hundred bails on a section of land. Britain brought ever single bail they could raise in the Mississippi Delta, and if the House of Parliament had allowed it, they would have entered the Civil War on the side of the South. At the same time, the Brits were moving purchasing from the U.S. to the Egyptian Delta, and some cotton purchases from India. That attitude against slavery in the United States seem to tell the Brits that that market had limited potential by 1848.
            ===================
            I am 71 and it has been a long, long time since I did that paper. My numbers are in the ball park.. but if you want to know with certainty, I strongly recommend the Historical Papers you find in the Libraries of the Universities down south.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            The ghost written biographies written for profit that came out of the South, or the ghost written historical examinations written by, or for, the abolitionists probably have very, very little to do with the reality of Slavery in the South. The Historical Society Volumes written in the States at the time, have a lot to do with the reality of Slavery in the South. Sadly, in 1972 I came to the conclusion they had been burned in the Civil War, and that was unforgivable to me.
            Best histories on that period 1800-1850? Look for a
            British Author.

          • plsilverman

            I have a bias towards bias. interesting.

          • mcveen

            No, you are biased against honest reporting because it does not support your warped world view.

          • plsilverman

            what a surprise! an insult! “warped”? WHY and HOW is it “warped” and give me an example of honest reporting and leave out Foxnews, esp. since I can give you a very nice laundry list of UNTRUTHS advanced by the once fair and balanced station.

          • mcveen

            Yes, including ‘warped’ was mildly insulting, not necessary. Though probably accurate, I could have left that out. Sorry, I’ll try to be nicer.

          • plsilverman

            no problem…I think of your posts as non-reactionary and interesting.

          • mcveen

            Actually your posts do not irritate me as much as those of some of your compatriots. But, please expose your laundry list of untruths.

          • plsilverman

            not fair to throw around those firecrackers: you tell me why they are “untruths”. I’m very serious when I say, I’m eager to learn. let’s go one by one. :)

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            Dear Madge.. you gotta find out what the difference between a conservative commentator and a pragmatic commentator is. I am pragmatic and you are not very acute if you think that is a trait of white folks.

          • Dark Ages

            As have white trash

          • aswespeak

            “We know that there are many things wrong in the white
            world, but there are many things wrong in the black world, too. We can’t keep on blaming the white man. There are things we must do for ourselves.” -MLK

          • emenot

            Are you talking before or after both Watts riots? I saw stores especially Asian stores that dare and risked there lives to served these neighborhoods…! And then I saw signs that posted “BLACK OWNERS” stores that were untouched!

        • Dark Ages

          If I were to move into a black community I would not make it through the night

          • Charley Hodges

            speak for yourself im not afraid of black ppl and get along with them fine. im white as can be was on a farm till i was 11 then bam i was in the ghetto…ah such good times :)

      • mcveen

        Wow Madge, that wuz one hell of a riot! 6-8 skateboard punks knocked over a stop sign and a few porta-potties. Bet they made that street really stink.

        I think you might be reaching with that one in order to make a point. Really not worth commenting about.

      • emenot

        Ok, I give you that ONE! Now, please give me another one example!! Here is a question from me to you, would you rather live in a white neighborhood or a black neighborhood?

  • richie53

    I have a suggestion for Larry Clint. If the United States is the most violent crime-ridden country in the world, then why don’t you do the sensible thing-get away from all of us vile racist republicans….why don’t you move to Somalia?

  • Shane

    Blaming white racism for all the problems in the black community is not helping; it is making white people less likely to do anything about the problems in the inner city.

    • plsilverman

      who does that? and even if that was true in 2013 why should that “turn off” those generous, wonderful whites? the big problem in the inner city is lack of full-time job opportunities – i.e., no “blue collar” production opportunities and no transportation even if they existed. the companies have been Bain-capitaled overseas. yes, lack of family cohesion and good local role models is an issue – and one created by one race thru slavery, then Jim Crow, then segregation.

      • Joel Wischkaemper

        Your awareness of history is low. Go to a history book written in France of Britain, and read about the United States since 1850. It will surprise you, but the street history just doesn’t work as it is told. You will be astonished when you discover the depth of Crow Jim, and the consequences of insisting on taking that route. Segregation? You can draw those conclusions of yours, but it is short sighted, and people thoroughly involved in the South and its place in the Sun disagree with you considerably. That makes them racist, and beyond THAT point, no one listened. And, after all, History is .. well… History. Why read that? But you should. You should.

        • plsilverman

          I don’t know what history books you read…but it appears most of them were written by Confederates before 1920. Are you kidding? > They disagree with me? Ha! I know that South Carolina was the last state to desegregate and it was not in 1966. I know that a Black man could be arrested for making eye contact with a white woman in the deep south, not too long ago. Slavery, segregation was a monster created not by its’ victims. if there are problems today in the Black family, alot stems from the time when blacks were systematically denied their Constitutional rights and could not get into high school no less college. when they could not own property. up until the mid-’60s, Blacks with comparative assets to Whites still had to jump thru 10 times more hoops than whites just to get a bank loan or ambulance service. Black families fractured? not very long ago in this Country a Black Husband/Father had to TRAVEL to find a decent job….usually never made it back. >>Keep your racially charged trash. I will not initiate any posts to you and please do the same for me. It’s a waste of space on this vaunted medium. so long.

          • mcveen

            Why must you hide behind > 50 year old excuses and old bromides that are of no use in today’s world or the black community? Where are the black community parents, political, & religious leaders preaching achievement, responsibility, and dedication to kids?

          • plsilverman

            got newz 4 ya…most African American activists *agree* that spending too much time in the past is not productive. Remember the great James Brown…”don’t give me sorrow / I want equal opportunity, to live tomorrow!”.

          • mcveen

            Right on Bro’.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            You poor baby. I am sure such things happened, and as I have said so many times it is pointless to say now: I wasn’t involved, and if you can find those people who discriminated against you, I will help you bring them to justice.
            In the meantime pal, Blacks were killing Whites at a rate of eight to one, and now they are killing whites at a rate of one and a half to one. In the meantime, African Americans are not living with-in their community as they demanded when they burned all those cities to the tune of billions of dollars, at all, and they ARE sucking up a huge amount of social welfare with their behavior because of what African Americans tell us we I did back there.
            No one talked to me about it though, because my Grandparents as well as Parents were stuck in the North Texas Dust Bowl, and they, like me to a much lesser extent, were throwing cotton in a sack trying to stay alive.
            Ah yes.. one other thing: businesses STILL don’t want to do business in an African American Community because they are shop lifted to death. Not shop.. shoplift. Know what I mean bubba?

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            One problem all African Americans face is that the oral history that is so bitter cannot be proven to be the case in so many cases, with examination. Something, by the way, also true on the Rez.

          • plsilverman

            really? “social welfare”? what decade do you live in? Welfare Reform works – I helped to enforce it for many years. by the way, the work ethic is just as bad at the lowest and highest rung of the economic ladder. although, at the “lowest”, there is NO “entitlement” if a recipient will not look for a job in a structured and monitored way.>>>”poor baby”? all due respect, but are you a dude?

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            Awww.. and you promised. Darn. But, and anyway.. I don’t believe you.

          • plsilverman

            bro’…you got me there! what can I say, I’m 62. I asked you not to post in my direction and then I posted in *your* direction. apologies. but you gotta admit, my post was excellent.

          • mcveen

            I was not impressed. Maybe you didn’t work as hard as you thought.

          • plsilverman

            really? let me check…no, I did not make any of that up. :)

          • mcveen

            Careful!

          • mcveen

            The comment makes little sense.It does serve to elucidate your warped sense of logic.

            How does anyone get to highest rung of the economic ladder with bad work ethic?

          • mcveen

            Too many insubstantial and unbelieved claims.

          • plsilverman

            fine. educate us. I’m eager to learn. seriously. :)

          • mcveen

            Can you or any of our supposed black leaders do anything to slow the virulent ignorance and savagery spawned among young black men by liberal political philosophy?

      • mcveen

        Lack of family cohesion in both the white and black community began with LBJ’s “war on poverty” ,i.e., government welfare programs. Government checks supplanted the need for responsible, wage earning fathers (and mothers) to support the family home and children. Fathers lost respect because they were no longer required, and they left. Why hang around for the hard task of providing for women and children when someone else would do it (with no strings attached)? Children and other responsibilities were “bastardized” in favor of easy gov’t money. These “free” benefits started the decline of the black community and exacerbate the problem to this day. Inner city “welfare queens” and their often unplanned, unwanted and uncared for offspring are the result. Welfare programs have given impetus & incentive to this vicious cycle of multi-generational destructive behavior. Thus, national welfare programs, not white racism, explain the terrible plight of young black men today.

        • plsilverman

          Not really. Patrick Moynahan did a study for LBJ BEFORE all those programs (by the way, Welfare used to be called Relief in the 1930s and was for all ethnicities, obviously). The break up of the Black family in America started with the slave trade and continued because, as I said, a Black man would marry and have children but only his Wife could find housekeeping-type work (not to generalize – talking about all too typical situations dictated by forces outside the Black family). To clarify, the Wife could find CONSISTENT, continuous work. The Black man could find some work in maintenance but generally it was 10 times more difficult for him than for a white man with the same impoverishment. So he leaves the home to find better work – to send money home. No money sent home. Man disappears. Was he “shiftless”? more likely, he was destroyed, esp. if traveling to the south, southwest. Now about the FREE – “FREE” benefits, what are you talking about? Welfare Reform started in 1996 and before that (at least in my original state, NJ). the cycle, the lifestyle – OVER. I guarantee it. I worked for the State to implement it. It worked.
          The Black community is not as fractured as the segregationists would have us believe. It is very pro nuclear family and very religious.
          Re. the unmarried Mother situation – numbers show that it’s a bigger problem with Blacks than Whites – but that is only true in crowded, miserable, systematically denied, “inner city” communities. Schools left to decay – services curtailed – ambulance service, very spotty. DRUGS? Well, we know by 2013 that these substances came from without, not within. Black children, left alone at home while Mom is at work, are vulnerable to people who walk around with heroin needles to make the children addicts. Aw, U knew that!

          • Madge Iamow

            Excellent comment Phil.

          • plsilverman

            Thanks, Madge.

          • mcveen

            Total cop out. Very weak response. Nonsensical.

        • Madge Iamow

          mcveen, I hear the same comments from Conservatives day in and day out without an offering of ANY alternatives other than,
          1. No raise / elimination in minimum wage.
          2. Defunding of Head Start
          3. Destruction of Planned Parenthood
          4. Inaction on any and all Job Bills before Congress
          5. Opposition to Affordable Health Care
          6. No expansion of Medicaid

          • mcveen

            As tragic as it is, the Travon Martin affair is extremely valuable for all of the rest of us surviving in America. It opens a critically needed opportunity to discuss race relations, examine our societal pathologies, and perhaps find real solutions. Valid points are made from both sides from those with open minds and good will. I firmly believe that discussing our problems will not hurt, can only help.

            My personal “pet peeve” is the rise of the government sponsored police state in America.

            May the discussion continue!

          • Madge Iamow

            Agreed! (:

          • mcveen

            A conservative’s point-by-point reply:

            1. No raise / elimination in minimum wage.

            (a) Minimum wage is a market function. Raising minimum wages would likely cause the elevation of product price beyond its inherent value. Basic economics dictate market movement toward the greatest perceived value. Who is going to pay $10-$15 for a whopper?

            2. Defunding of Head Start

            (a) Proof of value, i.e, cost/benefit ratio, to recipients is dubious at best. Sure the people running Head Starts make out well, but it is doubtful or unclear that children actually receive intended benefits.

            3. Destruction of Planned Parenthood

            (a) Conservatives abhor the killing of innocent babies in the womb and believe that abortion on demand is immoral and antithetical to positive tenants of the human race.

            4. Inaction on any and all Job Bills before Congress

            (a) Again, the value of these programs, in relation to costs, is dubious.

            5. Opposition to Affordable Health Care

            (a) The idea that gov’t can do a better job of running health care than the free market would be laughable if it weren’t so serious. Everyone will find out what an oxymoron gov’t run Affordable Health Care is. It is a massive power play by our federal overseers to own & control even more of American society. Basically, conservatives do not trust big government because of what it has done to us in the past. Will gov’t in the future be any different?

            6. No expansion of Medicaid

            (a) Another program that ‘we the people’ and supposed owners of the USA cannot afford. Present Medicaid funding is paid with borrowed money and due to be busted by 2018. How can an expansion be funded? Sooner or later the borrowed money has to be paid back and If not, we can’t borrow any more. When our debt exceeds income what do we do? We become Greece and everyone is SOL. Sometimes it seems that is really what liberals want so that we can all just be miserable together.

          • Madge Iamow

            1. Minimum Wage: $15 for a Whopper? Gross exaggeration. Estimates say a Big Mac would cost approximately 68 cents more. The Dollar Menu would cost $1.17. This is hardly a hardship since fast food isn’t a staple. One would hope not anyway.
            While the top one percent of Americans control 43 percent of the financial wealth and 80 percent control only 7 percent, we have entrepreneurs like Papa John who laments that he’d have to increase the price of his large pizza by 14 cents (Forbes writer Caleb Melby estimated the cost closer to 4 cents per pie) inorder to provide his employees with health insurance. Rather than raise the cost by pennies, he declared that he’d have to cut his employee ranks instead. This from a man who gleefully gave away 2 million pizzas on Super Bowl Sunday. Backlash was such that Papa John reconsidered.
            Fast Food developers have discovered that new and varied menu items increase sales and challenges the competition.
            2. Defund Head Start: On the contrary, studies show Head Start does make a positive impact. Interesting that the importance of pre schooling is embraced by those who can afford to send their children and pre school provided thru Head Start is considered a failure. Could it be because of government involvement and the use of tax dollars which is viewed as just one more ‘freebie’ to those less fortunate?
            3. Planned Parenthood: No taxpayer dollars are used for abortions. The majority of services provided are for the betterment of women’s health.
            Conservative abhorance goes beyond abortion with prominent candidates calling for a ban on all abortions and birth control other than what is sanctioned by the Catholic Church. (Santorum and Ryan to name two)
            Unfortunately, Conservative concern for the child ends once they leave the womb as evidenced by cuts in SNAP, Head Start, Medicaid and other social programs.
            4. Job Bills: Inaction on any and all job bills with no job bill proposals. Remember the House Speaker’s proclamation, We should be judged by how many bills we repeal not how many we pass.
            5. ACA: “The idea that gov’t can do a better job of running health care than the free market would be …..”
            There is NO Public Option in the ACA!
            6. Medicaid: Tax payers are paying every time someone receives care without health insurance. Every time a person visits the E.R. (Romney’s answer for National Health Care for those without insurance). Lack of preventative care costs taxpayers $$$$$$$
            As I stated earlier, “I hear the same comments from Conservatives day in and day out with an offering of ANY alternatives.” I might add, Absolutely NO Alternatives!

          • mcveen

            Your numbers don’t add up.

          • plsilverman

            all nonsense…head start is cost effective..AHCA is flawed but obviously you want to go back to the old system where the insurers rule…precondition? ha!

          • mcveen

            Head start cost effective, for whom? Government boys and their cronies?

            AHCA effective, for whom? Government and its favored cronies?

          • plsilverman

            “gov’t boys and cronies”? civil servants? what do U mean? > it means that the money returned to the tax base exceeds what was invested by the tax payer. got it? AHCA, the Nat’l version of a GOP state program, is EFFECTIVE for patients with preconditions plus 30,000,000 American taxpayers who now can get coverage and not be denied because they are too expensive.

          • mcveen

            Do you have some idea of Detroit & Chicago politics? That style is what I mean by gov’t boys and their cronies. It isn’t necessarily a race thing, it more about personal money grubbing by those in power for their moment. Of course the Daleys ruled by official patronage, another form of gov’t graft, which is routinely accepted.there. It is not & would not be accepted in S.C. As another heavy breathing $ Democrat, Rahm Emmanuel isn’t much different.

            Detroit’s political scene shows a better example of gov’t boys and friends at work. Kwame Kilpatrick’s mayorship was plagued by numerous scandals and rampant accusations of corruption, with the mayor eventually resigning after being convicted on
            felony counts, including perjury and obstruction of justice. On March 11, 2013, Kilpatrick was convicted on 24 additional federal felony counts, including mail fraud, wire fraud, and racketeering. The conviction stemmed from a 38-charge felony indictment, in what a federal prosecutor called a “pattern of extortion, bribery and fraud” by Kilpatrick and Detroit’s most prominent officials.

            Coleman Alexander Young served as mayor of Detroit from 1974 to 1994. Young became the first African-American mayor of Detroit and got the initial blame for the city’s dysfunctional fiscal and social failures by rejecting the “integrationist goat in favor of a flamboyant, black-power style”. It won him loyal followers among black power enthusiasts, but left the city a fiscal and social wreck. Mayor Young retired in 1994 through a plea deal with Detroit prosecutors rather than face bribery, extortion, and corruption charges. [1]Political scientist James Q. Wilson.

            Mayor Young was profiled and charged because he was racist, money grubbing, power hungry, and greedy in the 1st degree. Before Coleman Young got in there, Detroit was a great city on the rise. Young got away with $millions and spewed sewers in his wake due to the support of liberal mindsets like yours and the popular media. I know this because I was there.

            I want to hate Coleman and his politics because of what he and “his boys” did to Detroit, a great American city. He and Kwame used Detroit as a litter box and ruined it for their.personal pleasure. Both of them were lauded by your liberal crowd and its sycophantic media as new “black leaders” for Detroit and the US. As usual, these “great Democrat leaders” sucked up the largesse we provide “for the greater good” and leave nothing for anyone else.

            I fear Obama and his boys have the same plan for the once great USA.
            .

          • plsilverman

            Obama is now in his 5th year and if there is destruction of states, I can’t say his policies are the main reason. Look what he had waiting for him in 2009 – trying to keep unemployment low by creating jobs – while the GOP starts a war on blue collar, 01-20-09, with nothing but partisan Obstruction from the GOP, 450+ filibusters, 125+ clotures; he cannot get jobs bills through and he could not even get his deficit reduction package through, which would have cut the big 3, significantly. What policies are you talking about? what philosophy is so anti-American? restoring the auto industry? creating (hopefully) 4,000,000 new healthcare jobs? pushing for green-solar energy? laying off about 600,000 Federal workers at one point, to help fight the debt? / You say Detroit and much of California, etc., have been ruined by the Dems? yes, there are greedy Unions and very high taxes to hurt progress. But give me one iota of a solution provided by the GOP since 2009. (go back to the Reagan-Regan Wall Street free-for-all which gave us ’87 and ’08?).

            No corruption in Red states? No cities have gone down because of unnecessary tax relief for the richest sectors? balancing budgets by laying off police, fire fighters, teachers? what does that do for the middle class? who, on the private side, have been screwed by seeing their production jobs go overseas. now once again, and in light of what I just wrote, prove to us that the Dems are to blame for all the failed cities.

          • mcveen

            Proof is the present condition of big American cities run continuously by Democrats. Call it whatever makes you feel good.

            The only jobs created by AHCA will be gov’t and other bureaucratic snafus that suck the life out of real productivity and creation of wealth. Our weak economy can’t support more bureaucracy because it does not generate anything of value! Strong bureaucracy feeds off dwindling borrowed funds and further weakens meager resources.

          • mcveen

            GOP tries to slow the gargantuan gov’t beast in hopes of preserving some minor freedoms for regular Americans. Their futile attempts amount to a few pebbles in the vast ocean of bureaucracy and irresponsible spending. Obama threw away $3,600,000,000.00 of mostly borrowed money so far with absolutely $0 benefit to the average American. Liberals say “oh well, its all good”. It will take our children, grand, and great, great to pay it back if ever possible. Their opportunities and futures will be greatly reduced because of it. Oh, but liberals don’t want to worry about that, right?

          • plsilverman

            3.6 T on what? extended unemployment? paying off two unfunded wars? the INTEREST on the 11 T he inherited? what? we got 17 T in debt going. Obama is still spending at a slower rate than Reagan or Bush II.

          • mcveen

            You didn’t remember to think before you wrote. in order to be taken seriously, verify your posits first.

          • plsilverman

            how much deep thinking is required to reply to a very shallow post?..not saying your post(s). but what issue are U talking about?

      • George Williams

        Look in the mirror, Silverfish. You’re one of them. You seek deliverance from your white guilt as you join in the Greek Chorus to berate them. It was leftist like you that drove black opportunity overseas, not some right wing conspiracy. Capital goes where the investor profits most. This is not racial thing but a rational thing. By your tax policies you simply made it hard for the investor, i.e. retirees in the form of investment funds, to make sufficient returns so they can live out the last days of their lives in comfort. Now you attack these investors just for trying to survive.

        • plsilverman

          Silverfish? Should I have my lawyer tell you formally to quit the harassment? I’m very serious. Then this site will be involved all because you cannot control your negative blogging impulses.>>>those corp, raids on viable businesses sent 1000s of viable American jobs overseas…for he sole purpose of making millions $$$$ for the agents, like Romney. >>>>>Most companies/jobs go overseas NOT TO AVOID taxes but to pay 50 cents per hr. Obama has never raised taxes on 95% of tax payers and has provide tax relief for the small employer 18 times. PLUS Romney himself admitted that the tax deductions of the very rich were unnecessary and hurt the economy. no more blogs in my direction, I ask one more time.

          • George Williams

            Ask me what, Silverfish? No one takes you seriously, Silverfish.

          • plsilverman

            you sure put a lot of time into a joke. can you control yourself?

          • mcveen

            No reason to insult the man. You have your opinions and he has his. I like this site. Let’s not trash it!

      • AbdullahtheButcher

        “lack of family cohesion and good local role models is an issue – and one created by one race thru slavery, then Jim Crow, then segregation.”

        From what I heard, the black family actually survived slavery, Jim Crow and segregation, it was when LBJ apparently decided to extend widows and orphans subsidies to unmarried women with children. Think about it, if you were a woman and you found out that the government was willing to give you money for having children even though you weren’t married, wouldn’t you think that marriage wasn’t necessary? Also, how many businesses moved out of the country because they found it harder and harder to make a profit?

        • plsilverman

          sounds pretty cold…”survived”?…why not had the same rights as any other ethnicity from the gitgo. Welfare Reform was offered – I had to enforce it – and all that Welfare Queen stuff was over, instantaneously. and believe me, making kids to stay on welfare is not a “Black” concept.

      • mcveen

        When are black people going to start taking responsibility for themselves and their communities?

        • plsilverman

          there is an amazing amount of complaints against African Americans on this site, don’t you agree? my answer is: “black people” will start taking responsibility when “white people” do the same.

  • George Williams

    Thank you, Bernie.

  • AbdullahtheButcher

    Bernie, 35 years ago Obama was the recipient of a white well to do middle class upbringing, his grandmother was a bank VP, and he went to good schools. Trayvon wasn’t him 35 years ago.

    • plsilverman

      I think Obama means that he physically resembled Travon…or he would have resembled him walking with a hoodie, etc., and would have been similarly “profiled”.

      • Wheels55

        I think Obama meant that he wants people to see him as a black kid all grown up.

        • plsilverman

          yes, esp. from a married man with two children who was Senator, then President. Just a kid. An African American kid voted into Executive Office twice in a country still pro-Segregation.

          • Wheels55

            Half African American kid…
            Obviously our country is not so pro-segregation if they elected that clown twice.
            The only segregation that I am interested in is you in a different location than me.

          • plsilverman

            Should I return the ring?

          • Madge Iamow

            “Should I return the ring?” Good one, LMAO!

          • plsilverman

            Madge! :) Thanks.

          • mcveen

            No one wants it.

          • plsilverman

            funny change of heart.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            Again.. I much, much prefer my own races culture. It doesn’t have anything to do with racism, but it could have a whole lot to do with what happens when you begin dealing with the African American community as a ..member.. of that community.
            Yep. I like my communities culture.

          • plsilverman

            don’t understand what you wrote…but it’s fine to not feel “comfortable” outside your “ethnicity” or family culture, shall we say. But respect is still number one, in combination with the Constitution. meaning, as a en employer, for example, that discomfort should never translate to hiring/firing motives.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            Ah but.. I feel very comfortable in many cultures. But I neither admire or respect the Black Culture and the violence directed at Whites is unimaginably stupid.
            Mr. Silverman.. people earn my trust.. I don’t lay it out there on all that pass my path. You earn my trust. I am a man that is big enough that if you demand I trust you, and move to make me trust you, you will regret it.

          • plsilverman

            I don’t understand that last sentence..”[I] will regret it”??

          • russellmuscle1

            Yeah, that’s a threat. You should go tell the teacher. Chump.

          • mcveen

            He was saying that if you tried to hustle him (streetwise) you will regret.

          • plsilverman

            I guess I come off as an aging street thug?

          • George Williams

            I would not have a single compunction about firing a liberal and replacing him/her with a conservative. The former generally have loose morals, are witless and lack rational thought.

          • plsilverman

            I asked you to not initiate any posts in my direction and you did – and it’s not a very good one. But it’s so bizarre I can’t resist: So..I will, for the last time, respond to you: I said ONLY that an employer cannot fire anyone based upon the ethnicity alone, of the employee. against the law in all 50 states. did not say Libz.

          • George Williams

            You think your such hot stuff that there’s virtually nothing I could send your way that you wouldn’t respond to, Silverfish. You’re fired, Silverfish.

          • Madge Iamow

            Are you for Real??????

          • mcveen

            No matter what anyone does for you Silver, you will never get over your need for victimhood and entitlement.

          • plsilverman

            my need? good one….I’ve worked since I’m 17…paid good taxes…even Federal ones you boomed offa.

          • mcveen

            What was behind the motive for all the “white devils” that voted for Obama?

          • plsilverman

            are you in the John Birch Society?

          • mcveen

            No, thanks. What is that?

          • Ted

            Sorry to tell you this but Obama LOST the white vote in 08 and 012. In 08 he lost it by 11.5 million votes but thankfully won the minority vote by 23 million so if you’re of the opinion that he won a white majority think again. In 012, Obama got 40% of the white vote or white devils as you referred to them.

          • mcveen

            You are wrong. According to The Heritage Foundation Reports on Modern Presidential Elections (4/18/09, 3/5/13), Obama received 54.5% of the white vote in ’08 and 46.2% in ’12. Obama won both elections via huge majorities of record hispanic and black votes combined with suppressed white votes.

      • Shane

        No, Obama meant that he would have acted the same way Martin did when a “creepy ass cracka” was following him.” Obama would have put a beat down on the honky.

        • plsilverman

          your racist post will be reported here and on Twitter.

          • George Williams

            Nah, nah, I’m telling. What a little tattle tale whiner you are. Will you ever grow up, Silverfish?

          • plsilverman

            you write nah, nah…then ask when I will grow up? :)

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            Poo.

          • plsilverman

            good description of Shane’s post.

          • russellmuscle1

            Really? You’re threatening people with telling on them? Man, that’s just a douche bag thing to do.

          • plsilverman

            “d…bag”….! William F. Buckley looks down and smiles on you. Where I see anti-Semitic or racist statements, I flag them as inappropriate or report to the webmaster. Howz that? :)

        • Madge Iamow

          Shane, Obama was making the point that a well educated, affluent black man in a white neighborhood is seen in the same light as a man from the ‘hood’. Black being seen as Black with no distinctions,

          • mcveen

            Madge, I believe that Obama betrayed his intelligence by injecting himself, as President, into the Travon situation. Maybe he thought that he had to throw a bone to Al & Jesse, but with the recent uproar about blacks gone wild on whites, what does he say now? Nothing or something significant?

          • mcveen

            Nope. That’s not the way it goes in America today. Black people are given deference that whites do not get.

  • blackman

    fools all

    • mcveen

      Appreciate that intelligent, well versed reply.

  • Larry Clint

    HISPANICS beware, today these racist, hypocrite right wingers who are so invested in blood money and criminality that they support the criminal NRA and Guns which are the biggest killing machines in america pretend to support ZIMMERMAN because he is up against a black male, tommorow they will come after you when the occasion presents itself. Hispanics already have the second highest incarceration rates (a figure sure to rise) in the country and are also subject to profiling as a result of the racist criminal justice system set up by the same jim crow racist right wing scumbags who think they own america, a land they stole from indians and hispanics. When someday the occasion presents itself they will turn against you with the same methods and useless statistics. The right wing have a racist mindset which makes them beleive there should be no one in the stolen land america is but themselves. Notice how they block all immigration reforms. Beware the right wing is not your friend.

    • wally12

      You must not have read all the evidence that was presented in the TM/GZ case. Otherwise you may come to a different conclusion on innocence rather than guilty for GZ. GZ is not and was not a racist. His past relationships with the black community proves it. Go back a read how GZ was a mentor to blacks and helped many.

      • George Williams

        Don’t waste your time with this character. HIs opinions are set in stone.

        • Bob Hadley

          And yours aren’t??????????

          • George Williams

            Correct again.

          • Bob Hadley

            I’m always correct! Didn’t you know? :)

        • wally12

          I recognized that by his comments but I figured I would give it a short and sweet reply. Thanks anyway.

      • plsilverman

        a “mentor to Blacks”….this wise old man, 28 years old. A mentor. I guess there were no African Americans around over the age of 28.

        • George Williams

          You really have a sick mind, silverfish.

          • plsilverman

            Lo-o-o-ov-v-ve is a many-y-y splendered thi-i-i-ng….. I got a girlfriend. sorry to disappoint you. please curb your fetishistic impulses in my direction…quit posting to me. also, quit making fun of my Father’s name.
            agreed?

          • mcveen

            That was strange.

          • plsilverman

            what I responded to?

        • mcveen

          There probably were, but did not care enough to help Travon present himself as a responsible young man instead of a potential robber thug.

          • plsilverman

            your above posts looks mildy racist, no? >>>So Zimmerman is judge and jury – a child walking home in his neighborhood who apparently got scared by some guy following him, wound up fighting with him. All because of his appearance. Interesting. Zimmerman calls for information and when he gets the info. he does not like, he leaves his vehicle. A child winds up dead. A child with a Father and Mother. Right?
            “potential thug”? Based upon appearance? a Hoodie? Is that a justifiable reason to play Detective? What gave Zimmerman the credentials to decide what is “potential”? So the victim becomes the perpetrator. 17 years old, carrying food from a nearby convenience store.
            I guess you think Neighborhood Watch overzealous “agents” should always leave their vehicles against official directions because they are BOTHERED BY a certain kind of clothing.
            Vigilante-ism! Yay! Let’s call the NRA to tell the gun manufacturers they have a new market!

          • mcveen

            The menace of gov’t sponsored abuse of police authority bothers me very much but, thankfully, it was not part of Travon’s case.

            Rather, this was more grown up 17 years of bad attitude raised by a single mother in ‘da hood that did not take responsibility for her son. He hardly knew his daddy.

            Travon was a drug user and/or dealer with a long rap sheet that had been kicked out of school several times. It’s likely that he was already high and the skittles & tea he picked up was probably part of another dope mix.

            Sound familiar?

          • plsilverman

            What did Travon do to warrant that kind of suspicion and for the neighborhood watch guy to defy official orders to remain in the car? he LOOKED a certain way to the composed, thoughtful gentleman, Zimmerman? The kid was in his own neighborhood. Are you saying he deserved some kind of punishment because of his appearance to a second party? With that logic, anyone in the world should be followed with a live gun because a second party has a hang up. HIs parenting or whatever substance is coursing thru his veins is 1000% irrelevant to the supposed job of Zimmerman that night. And re. the drug…were there two customers on line at the convenience store who reeked of “weed” and the kid ingested some of that that stench? we don’t know and it’s absolutely tangential, isn’t it?>>>>>gov’t sponsored abuse of police authority? you mean, unwarranted searches and arrests of African Americans? what? I’m, pro-Police but I doubt, in cases of “Police Brutality”, that the strategy or policy extends ANYWHERE beyond the walls of some rogue LOCAL police station, where there are some bad cops or Captains.

          • mcveen

            I do not believe police are our friends. I believe they see the average person as a potential source of revenue, nothing more, nothing less. My experience is that police don’t care in the least how they affect lives in their relentless pursuit of additional revenues. The same is true for most all gov’t enforcers.

          • plsilverman

            I like the Police. As I wrote, I think they all deserve a raise, esp. those in the inner city. Big issue is that when 1 out of 50 are rotten to the core, a lot of suffering follows. But, overall, they are to be considered Civilian Soldiers.

          • mcveen

            Well, their rotten to the core is more like 1 in 5, but that isn’t what I meant. Police officers are driven by gov’t overseers to collect more and more $ from mostly innocent and clueless citizens, regardless of cost to those citizens. Police officers are trained in military tactics to subdue the domestic populace in the same way our military overtakes foreign countries.

            Its about government domination and they are very good at it. Do you want to live in Nazi Germany, USSR? How ’bout China? Local cops can and will take you to jail just for talking back to them!

            It cost big $ when the average person comes in contact with a police officer.

          • mcveen

            I did not say that Travon deserved punishment because of his appearance. I am for liberty and freedom for all. Please do not respond with this kind of illogical hyperbole.

            Re: “gov’t sponsored abuse of police authority? you mean, unwarranted searches and arrests of African Americans”? Yes, I do mean that and many other daily examples of police intimidation, coercion, and fraud against law abiding citizens. Its all about confiscation of more money to grow police related enterprises. There is no honesty in gov’t, especially among local & state cops. Fear cops. Hate cops.

          • russellmuscle1

            What? It was probably fairly difficult for Zimmerman to help Trayvon “present himself” as anything (which makes less than zero sense btw) other than a rotten kid trying to beat his brains on the sidewalk.

          • mcveen

            Read first. Then post. That’s good.

        • russellmuscle1

          Black kids, idiot. He mentored black children…..not exactly a foreign concept.

      • George Williams

        He can’t, because he won’t find it in his NYT and HufPo.

    • Wheels55

      Larry,
      I’m sure Hispanics everywhere are thankful for your warning.
      The NRA mostly stands for gun knowledge and safety. You choose to listen only to the media and you will only get a small part of the story.
      Homicides rank 15th, below accidents and suicides. Guns kill 10 out of every 100,000 each year. Heart disease is the number one killer – 179 deaths for every 100,000 people. Perhaps your good intentions should be placed where it is most needed.
      Zimmerman is part Hispanic. Just like Obama is part black.

      • plsilverman

        NRA members – 80% want full background checks. LaPierre & the gun makers, do not want any.

        • George Williams

          Gee, and then what do you do after someone gets his gun and uses it to rob a bank, after having received a negative report? Unless he is caught, he could go for years with a good record and keep his gun. Background checks are only good to establish that someone hasn’t a bad record up to one point in time, and that has shortcomings. They are hopelessly inadequate and guarantee nothing, much like one doctor check up finding good health guarantees the health of a client forever. On the day that the background check is made, the prospective owner is perfectly sane. Twelve months later he may be psychotic.

          • plsilverman

            did not read the above post. I’m thru with the volleying for no reason. good luck.

          • George Williams

            Good. I win, you lose.

          • George Williams

            I know, your “Sundowners” is kicking in.

          • Joel Wischkaemper

            And heavens to Betsy.. that happens so often. Buy a $1,000 gun and then later, use it to rob a liquor store which most surely puts you in prison. Why, why, why? $84 out of that till just like that.

    • mcveen

      How ’bout it Silver? Think this guy is 100% qualified for your grand racist award? Come on man, he deserves it. Let him have it!

    • mcveen

      If you substitute ‘police’ for ‘right wing’ you might have something there. Let’s be clear, police are not part of the American “right wing”. Our current police menace is the natural and inevitable extension of gov’t domination of willing and docile citizens created by liberal takeover policies championed by democrats.

  • Larry Clint

    The racist right wing feeds on racism, hypocrisy and deceit, from bernnie golberg, pat buchanan, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity and other shameless racist scoundrels their conscience is so deadened that they have jumped on a
    simple issue of a black innocent kid murdered in cold blood and taken
    sides with the hispanic murderer because his skin colour is lighter. If the reverse was the case and it was a black male who murdered a white male, these right wing lowlife racists would predictably be on the other side of the spectrum seeking the highest possible conviction for the black male. The right wing is not involved in this issue because they seek justice but because their racist bloodstream cannot resist living the life of the slave master of old who had no value for the life of his slave. They are trying to silence the voice of those seeking justice for travyon martin by reeling out crime statistics which ironically is a further indictment on the right wing and their criminal support for the NRA and GUNS that is responsible for more deaths in american society than everything else put together. Instead of seeking adequate social investments from the government to help reduce the social crisis in the inner cities, they are shamelessly pandering to racism. The
    right wing pretends they value life when they mount their hypocritical
    pro life anti-abortions campaign but look very closely and you see that
    the right wing are war mongers, vicious advocates of killings such as
    the one by zimmerman and supporters of the criminal cartel NRA that
    sells guns that kills more people than anything else in the USA. Now
    they pretend to love George Zimmerman but hispanics know better because
    the same racist right wing will continue to do everything to block
    immigration reform to legalise millions of their people living in the
    USA. And finally the racist right will should prepare for more crime
    once there is enough native born hispanics in america because right wing
    racism will surely marginalise them economically, push them down the
    economic ladder which will in turn create versions of mexico and
    colombia type crime and violence in america. It will be interesting to
    see what racists like Bernnie goldberg will be saying then.

    • plsilverman

      This site has devolved into a true Hate Site, absolutely obsessed with Race, as is the Founder. When someone points that out, they are “playing the race card”.

      • George Williams

        You clearly have nothing to contribute to the conversation. I suggest that you are nothing but a nuisance and that you get nothing out of this web site and that it would best for you to go over to the HufPo site, aka, the Obama sycophant society.

      • John Daly

        >> This site has devolved into a true Hate Site, absolutely obsessed with Race,

        Says the guy who worships at the altar of Chris Matthews and Al Sharpton. lol.

        • plsilverman

          my turn: you are the guy who “worships” at the altar of Hannity, Limbaugh, Corsi.

      • AbdullahtheButcher

        How is Goldberg obsessed with race?

        • plsilverman

          count the number of articles she does which involve racial matters. his book, SLOBBERING LOVE AFFAIR, to me, was racially motivated. he watched an African American correspondent on TV get emotional when he learned, on camera, that a Black man was now the President. Bernie says he was unprofessional.

          • AbdullahtheButcher

            SLA was about the media’s excessive pro-Obama bias. Goldberg said that it was in decent part due to the media wanted to help a candidate who was not only liberal, but also black. Also, if you’re referring to Osunsami’s statement that Obama’s victory was “and we’re the better for it.’ Bernie felt that he was veering close to the border between objective news and editorialism, whether he was right or wrong.

          • plsilverman

            I believe you are saying then media should never push for *any* ethnicity, when it comes to executive office..yes, that’s the way it should be. But if an African American with prerequisite credentials is elected, then it’s a great thing for this Country. In the past “whiteness” itself was a given prerequisite.
            Taken by itself, the statement, pushing for a Black President, is not something to be mocked. If we strip away the politics or the childhood animosities, it’s a very healthy outlook.

          • AbdullahtheButcher

            “But if an African American with prerequisite credentials is elected, then it’s a great thing for this Country.”

            Depends on how good a President he is. If he turns out to be a lousy one, then it’s not a great thing for this country. More specifically, Goldberg said that the media was supposed to be at least more or less objective watchdogs over the government, but in the ’08 election, the media basically gave up objectivity and helped Obama.

          • plsilverman

            I totally agree that if we go by resume, then McCain was the better choice. I still voted for Obama (even with the early years associating with “undesirables” in Chicago). Yes, it’s very tough to put aside what we want, what would give us a kind of “closure”. But as I wrote, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the statement, “it would be great to have a Black President”.
            I’m not a Palin basher, but with the 2 term Governor and “know nothing” (acc. to McCain campaign director) Palin a heartbeat away…no chance.
            It’s not easy to say, yet it’s true, that the Country took a risk in hiring someone with such a light resume. And so, as I always say, I can understand not voting for Obama in ’08 but I can’t understand not voting for him in ’12. I’ll spare everybody my laundry-list on that belief.
            Finally, I think by mid-2013, it would be healthy for this Country to drop some of this, was he really born here? is he Black or is he White? stuff and get the GOP to quit all the partisan filibustering and work up a good infrastructure bill. Obama has tried to get one through, to no avail. Boehner is still intimidated by the Tea party and will give Obama no credence, at all. thanks.

          • mcveen

            I haven’t found a good entry for my enthusiasm for Obama’s foreign policy so I’ll stick it in here. The following compliments will irritate some of my fellow conservatives, but I must tell it like it is.

            I LOUDLY APPLAUD Obama’s good sense in execution of American foreign policy. Ignoring resident warmongers, he got us out of Iraq. If Iraq turns out bad, it will not be America’s fault. Obama will complete the withdrawal from Afghanistan, and it will be in much better condition than found.

            Obama’s special forces took out bin Laden. He uses drone warfare intelligently and effectively in taking out terrorists that want to hurt us. Al Queida isn’t gone yet, but he relentlessly pursues them across the globe . Very good there.

            He continues to press Iran over development of nuclear weapons in every way but war bombs. Iran might be reconsidering the cost of nuke development.

            After initially stumbling into another potentially disastrous engagement in Syria, he had the good sense to pull back and listen to the American people.

            The crisis was mitigated and diplomacy can be tried. Ironically, the Russian provided us a way out of another foreign debacle.

            In spite of Bengazi and Republican carping, Obama has been our best foreign policy president since Reagan/Bush, maybe better, given the challenges. If only his domestic policies were half as good!

            Just last week

          • mcveen

            EVERYTHING is racially motivated for you Silver. May we consider the content of your character?

          • plsilverman

            cute. number one, don’t screw around with my last name. number two, pointing out racially charged posts or flat out racism does not betray a lack of character. :)

          • mcveen

            Sorry. I’m not a government guy, so don’t know your last name.

      • mcveen

        Weak attempt for your reversal. Not cogent. Not believable. Easily refutable.

    • George Williams

      You’r sick. I suggest that a good therapist would help, and perhaps going to church and learning Christian values. You clearly have a great deal of hate in your heart. If you don’t do something it will destroy you.

    • mcveen

      There you go again with the evil, white, boogyman slaveholder excuse for black problems in America. Are you aware that over 150 years has passed since even one slaveholder has existed in the US? It appears that you are not aware that most slaveholders that have existed historically and even today are blacks in Africa? (Read the U.N. Plenary response on Global Human Traffic and Slavery issued 4/22/12.) The practice of slavery against members of rival tribes is well established in black African tribal culture in the 16th – 21st centuries. African slaves were savagely used & abused, bought and sold by the victors of tribal wars in Africa (long before white slave traders arrived) just as lighter skinned were in the Phoenician, Egyptian cultures.

      You avoid the fact that the 12% of your black population in the US is responsible for most of the total crime. How should regular white folk react to young black thugs on the street? How do you react?

      We know how Jesse Jackson, and other black leaders react. It’s always more money, more programs, more “equity”, while Jesse and Al pad their bank accounts and the black community has nothing to show for the $trillions showered down on them by white racists in this country since 1964, almost 60 years ago.

      Wake up man! This “blame the white man reflex” is not helping you or any black person. Do you see successful black people blaming the white man? Of course you don’t. You see them in partnership with whites, working just as hard, achieving, and raising kids to be the same.

    • mcveen

      How did you become such a narrow minded, hateful, racist person? Should what you proscribe come true, Bernie Goldberg and other conservatives will say that it is wrong and has no place in America!

  • Larry Clint

    What right wing racists, idiots and criminals like Bernnie goldberg fail to tell us is why america is the most violent and crime ridden nation on earth. America has the highest prison population on earth much more than china with more than 3 times america’s population and more than the whole of Europe combined. With more than 1 million whites serving jail terms and probation measures in america, there are more white prisoners in America than the whole of Western Europe and more white prisoners than the whole of the prison population in China. Thus it is immediately obvious that even if we take away the high minority prison population, there is still a very high prison population of the “advantaged” whites compared to Europe and other parts of the world which brings to the conclusion that america has a fundamental problem of crime, violence and high levels of incarceration. The question now is what is driving american criminality? The answer is clear and one that bloodhounds and hypocrite criminals like Bernnie Goldberg would prefer to ignore; GUNS, GUNS, GUNS! America has more guns than any nation on earth and it has contributed to the unusually high levels of violence and criminality in american society alongside other factors. Guns kill more people than drugs, alcohol, cancer put together in america every year. 90% of killings in america are done by guns. Common sense suggests that if you ban or strictly control guns; violence, crime and gun deaths will reduce by more than 70% but the Bernnie Goldbergs and other rightwing bloodhounds who make all the noise about crime will never entertain any such discussion because they profit from the criminal blood money that guns provide. They make so much noise about owning guns being a constitutional right, but the constitution is not written on stone, it was written by human beings and must be subject to change based on the exigencies of the times as is everything human. Even the Bible sancrosanct as it is supposed to be Jesus Christ made considerable changes to the old testament in the new testament, proving that nothing, not even the word of God is unchangeable. The hypocrisy of right wingers like Bernnie goldberg is that they refuse to make any change to the greatest cause of crime and violence in american society which is guns. The NRA and the right wing are more guilty of criminality than the common criminals they deride. If Bernnie and his hypocrite group are serious about making america a less violent, less crime ridden and saner society with less prisoners they should support gun control measures or shut up forever!

    • legal eagle

      In my opinion Bernie is not a racist..he is simply ignorant of what goes on outside of his bubble….He doesn’t know that ghettos still exist in every large American city, that the biggest employers like Wal-Mart and McDonald’s pay poverty wages…and that the U.S. criminal court system is totally corrupt and racist….

      • John Daly

        You from the ghetto, legal?

        • legal eagle

          I grew up in a ghetto….I have done legal work for years for minorities who could not afford legal assistance…Because I am now financially comfortable doesn’t mean I don’t remember where I came from or how debilitating the cycle of poverty is in America….

          • George Williams

            Spent a lot of time helping them with their 1040A’s, eh?

          • legal eagle

            Spent a lot of time helping poor ghetto dwellers with legal disputes….

          • George Williams

            You probably hold the national record for being the least articulate lawyer, judging by the shallow arguments you make in this blog.

          • legal eagle

            I win for my clients…That’s all that counts…You wouldn’t know what articulate is if it his you between the eyes…

          • George Williams

            Shall we poll the commentators in this blog? I suggest that you take nothing but easy cases and that you likely overcharge for them. I doubt that you’ve actually done a case personally in years, farming them out to people who still have their wits about them.

          • Guest

            A poll by the commentators in THIS blog would prove what?????
            You know the business practice of someone purely by their posts????
            Tell me, does who does your crystal ball show winning in 2016? Ahhh, I bet it’s HILLARY!

          • George Williams

            My crystal ball isn’t that specific, although it tells me that the election of one more corrupt Marxist of the ilk of Alinsky would result in the economic and moral collapse of this nation. If that means Hillary; so be it. How many lies she’s told. Let me count the ways. From her self-proclaimed bravery under fire in the Balkins, to her claim that her daughter’s life was in jeopardy during the 9/11 disaster in New York City, to lies about never reading anything regarding the fervent pleas by the ambassador in Benghazi, she’s spent her whole life lying to the public. The truly sad people are her uncritical sycophantic cultist following who, when asked about her worldly accomplishments can give nothing by way of response. Hillary may be ahead, but the same can’t be said about a nation that will only suffer with her as president; They can make a movie of her presidency and just call it “Obama Re-visited”. The only redeeming value of such a presidency will be the final destruction of the Democratic Party, as the people finally gag on repercussions of the new communism that they represent.

          • mcveen

            Who yo’ clients dog?

          • legal eagle

            You’ve obviously spent too much time watching Fox News with your hand down your pants…..lol

          • George Williams

            Can you do a legal brief in Ebonics?

          • Madge Iamow

            You’re to be commended for your work!

          • mcveen

            Liberal claptrap from another life long welfare dependent.

    • George Williams

      “What right wing racists, idiots and criminals like Bernnie goldberg fail to tell us is why america is the most violent and crime ridden nation on earth.”

      And just what crimes is Goldberg guilty of? Name just one. I don’t ask for much, only one.

      “America has more guns than any nation on earth and it has contributed to the unusually high levels of violence and criminality in american society alongside other factors. ”

      Compared to what? Compared to Obama’s Fast and Furious transfer of 2,000 guns to the Mexican drug cartels who still butcher a small city of citizens every year with them?

      “…. but the constitution is not written on stone, it was written by human beings and must be subject to change based on the exigencies of the times as is everything human.”

      Ok, then stop spewing crap and see if you can obtain consent of the people to do so by their enacting an amendment to the COTUS.” And what will you do when they refuse to do so? Many of us see a corrupt government as the reason why we should have a 2nd Amendment. And with all those criminals out there, just what are the innocent going to do to prevent themselves from being victims after you’ve stripped them of their weapons? Your argument would have us believe that anyone who owns a gun is guilty of a crime. Then you would disarm the honest citizens and have them be fit for abuse by the criminal element, who I suspect wouldn’t turn in their weapons. You are hardly logical, but then, you rant and rave like an insane fool.

      “The hypocrisy of right wingers like Bernnie goldberg is that they refuse to make any change to the greatest cause of crime and violence in american society which is guns.”

      If your going to call him a hypocrite, you’ll have to cite a few instances before the rest of us believe it. I doubt that you can cite even one instance of his hypocrisy. If you can’t, you’re just blowing gas out of your butt.

      “The NRA and the right wing are more guilty of criminality than the common criminals they deride.”

      And that criminality would consist of? Please cite the pertinent criminal codes.

    • John Daly

      lol @ “criminals”. What’s the point of even reading further after a dopey remark like that?

      • plsilverman

        for such a vaunted pundit to use such abrupt statements here? very strange. give us some meat on that bone. a little A-1. how many “lol”s do U use in a day? yes, I use “John Birch” a lot but that shows thoughtful scholarship.

        • mcveen

          Still waiting on your Larry Clint award for the most narrow minded, racist, ignorant post, ala Idi Amin!

          • plsilverman

            there are too many here to choose from, unfortunately. I guess I could use Foxnews, with Coulter and Ingraham, etc.

          • plsilverman

            can U explain the Idi Amin reference? :)

    • AbdullahtheButcher

      In Switzerland, every able bodied man is a member of the military, and they take their rifles home with them, yet the crime rate there isn’t as bad as the US.

    • mcveen

      Good Lord Larry…. Please go to church next Sunday and seek some deliverance. You are so consumed with hate that you can’t see or believe anything else. (Sincerely hope that you don’t have a gun!)

  • George Williams

    I’ll quote psilverfish now. “You’re a racist!”

  • souvoter

    Obama is incapable on getting in touch with his white side; obviously because his white mother taught him that whites were racists. He never takes into account that if it were not for whites, he wouldn’t be potus and never gives credit to people whom have strived to narrow the gap. He is harming the country more than anything else with his devisive and vengeful politics.

    • plsilverman

      explain specifically how he is “vengeful”. you mean extending the TARP and the tax relief program?
      Should Obama get down on one knee and thank Whites for his Presidency? Gee, I thought minorities handed him the Presidency twice, on that proverbial silver platter.
      Your comments are racially charged, which is par for the course on this site.

      • George Williams

        Obama believes, like his twin, Eric Holder that this country is fundamentally racist and that the nature of this country is imperialist. Obama’s father was an anti-colonial activist in Kenya. Obama believes that this country was founded by racists and that it must be punished for its past mistakes in support of dictators, most of whom fought communist incursions on their territory. Read DesSouza’s “Roots of Obama’s Rage” and you’ll finally get an education. The only reason Obama got the black vote by nearly 100 percent is that that most are fundamentally racist, having preferred a man as president based solely on the color of his skin. Obama was the black man’s revenge and black hope. Moreover, the Democrats co-opted the press, who supported one of the greatest demagogueries since Hitler.

        • legal eagle

          The country is not racist…it’s ignorant about racism and poverty…However George, you are an exception. You are ignorant and racist…

          • George Williams

            Since we have not met, the only evidence that you could produce would have to come through my writing in this blog. Please quote me and point out where I fall short on the issue of race. If you can’t, then all you are doing is committing demagoguery.

          • legal eagle

            Sir, your writing reveals that you are a bigoted and hateful old man…It’s sad to see how narrow-minded and hateful you are ..Been nice knowing you..

          • George Williams

            It’s evident that you have no examples and are just smearing me to get revenge for the dressing down you received from me. I suggest that it is you that have the narrow mind, always wearing your racial radar to the exclusion of rational thought.

          • mcveen

            You could say the same about yourself legal.

          • mcveen

            That’s rich.

        • plsilverman

          He was wrong. The Country remains only 50% racist. Pro-segregation…as supported by the Kochs and their front group, The Tea Party.

        • plsilverman

          hitler reference..automatic redo. >>>>give us one nazi like action of Obama. you can’t. although, we can wait for you to go through your Foxnews memo cards. but what is particularly odious to you, about continuing GOP programs?

          • George Williams

            Hitler disarmed the people. It is evident that Obama seeks to do this. Hitler eschewed rule of law for mob rule through his brown shirts. Obama eschews rule of law when it comes to enforcing the people’s immigration laws. Obama seeks to diminish the will of the people and rule of law by diminishing the Congress. How often have we heard him say that he will go around the people’s will by taking action without congressional authority? Obama refused to support the will of the people as enacted by the peoples House in his failure to defend the Defense of Marriage Act. Though the SCOTUS subsequently ruled it unconstitutional, Obama was sworn to uphold the law of the land unless such laws have been ruled to be unconstitutional. He cannot arbitrarily decide that a law is unconstitutional, yet he did. Like Hitler, he usurped the will of the people’s legislators, aka the Senate by making illegal recess appointments. The recess appointments were declared illegal by several Courts of Appeal. Obama committed an act of war against the country of Libya by attack by air without the approval of the people, by ignoring the people’s will, as embodied in the Congress of the U.S. He took us to be fools by stating that it was not engaging in hostilities. As I recall, Democrats once declared such acts illegal when a Republican did it. When a president does these things, he does them in the spirit a dictator like Adolf Hitler.

          • plsilverman

            please make this the last..control your fetishistic impulses here..I’m engaged. sorry >>>>>hitler references ? R U kidding? your entire post is subjective, full of anger and bias…why not speak with some Holocaust survivors and then you won’t be inserting that idiot in arguments. All the hard right has on Obama is that recess appointment thing…which has always been very vague. all the rest is biased supposition. most of what he has done would be done by a moderate republican. “will of the people” about “gay marriage”? he simply said let the states have it..I’m okay with it. what would Romney have said? The Border Patrol has been beefed up by Obama and has a record # of deportations. these things you are pointing to betray a desperation by the hard right, obviously controlled by the Kochs, Alec, and Newscorp. “Diminish the will”? The American people wanted the end of DA-DT, wanted Healthcare reform and the restoration of the auto industry and student loan reform and getting BL after Bush II gave up trying in 2006. they were happy about Obama ending the War in Iraq, when as Commander in Chief he could have kept it going, the way McCain/Palin would have. okay? enuff. over. control yourself.

          • George Williams

            All the hard right has on Obama is that recess appointment thing…which has always been very vague. all the rest is biased supposition.

            No subjectivity. What bias? Jackass, the DC Circuit Court and the 3rd Court of Appeals have ruled that Obama cannot unilaterally declare when the Senate is in session. Any fool can see that the president has no say in how the Senate sets its rules. Only the idiots in the Obama administration and his sycophantic ass kissers would argue that he’s right. And just what would holocaust survivors say about my comparison of Obama’s tyranny with Adolph Hitler? You ought to be ashamed of yourself by making your statements.

            “The Border Patrol has been beefed up by Obama and has a record # of deportations.” Totally irrelevant, when we’re talking about Obama’s illegal amnesty of people who have no right to be here, Jackass.
            You do nothing to address what I’ve said except in an ad hominem way and with irrelevancies, Jackass.

          • plsilverman

            “you do nothing to address..except ad hominem”? what a joke>>>>”jack*ss”? 3 times? why are you so preoccupied with that part of my body? I KNOW what holocaust survivors would say about your frivolous use of hitler to make a specious political point. you need to stop initiating posts to me…I have a record of your harassment here….this could be a legal mess for a lot of people unless you can control yourself. our webmaster has no control over content and cannot “block”. so if you continue, I have to go beyond the site here to get legal help to stop your harassment. I am not bothered in any way other than a kind of intellectual amazement at the lengths you go to communicate with someone who does not agree with you. you won’t convince me of anything…so why keep going like this? you say I use ad hominem and then call me a jack*ss three times. see what I mean. chill.

          • mcveen

            Foxnews memo cards aren’t necessary. The rise of gov’t sponsored police state is enough.

      • mcveen

        Actually, the convergence of record black/hispanic turnout and very low white turnout handed Obama the presidency. However, Obama won the majority of white turnout in ’08.

    • mcveen

      Obama’s Kenyan father and formative years in Indonesia and elsewhere? seems to have influenced him most.

  • Art Schwartz

    Hey Silverman

    That’s because the other 5% is paying your taxes as well as theirs

    • plsilverman

      Really? I thought 47% of us paid no *Federal* taxes and 53% paid all taxes? So you are saying a small percentage of that 53% pay taxes?
      Guess what? With all their tax loopholes covered by the middle class, it’s not the scenario you believe in.
      “Hey Silverman”? :)

      • George Williams

        Schwartz if right, Silverfish.

        • plsilverman

          What does “Schwartz if right” mean?

          • George Williams

            I don’t know. You tell me.

      • AbdullahtheButcher

        Maybe he meant that a portion of the 53% paid a large share of the taxes.

        • plsilverman

          sure. but so much wealth is concentrated “at the top” that’s the way it is. if we go by percentage of gross income PER CAPITA, then the “man in the middle” gets hit much harder. has to cover for the tax shelters of the super rich. even Romney and Ryan wanted to cut down on that.

  • plsilverman

    In a Country of 300 million, it’s expecting too much to say racism is over? How about, is it too much to expect that 100,000,000 are NOT still pro-segregation?

    >>>Hey Bern’, how about this? – African Americans are not obsessed with what was perpetrated against them until recent times. Shucks, you knew that.The poor and middle class Black community wants what the poor and middle class White community wants: schools not left to ruin, manufacturing within a 10 mile radius from home, a decent transportation system – the Blue Collar Blacks and Whites do not want the extended unemployment, welfare, food stamps: they were disturbed that the GOP has chosen to RETURN STIMULUS $$$$ and too often DECLINE on infrastructure projects and ENCOURAGE corporate raiding of viable production jobs.

    And thanks for yet another shortsighted, racially insensitive and ill-formed piece of RNC approved propaganda.

    • George Williams

      “The poor and middle class Black community wants what the poor and middle class”
      Then they should not be electing the Alinsky class and race warfare party, aka the Democratic Party.

      • plsilverman

        sure. they should have elected someone from the John Birch Society.

        • John Daly

          Yay! John Birch reference! Looking forward to about five more of these as I scroll down.

          • plsilverman

            I guess the reference has no relevance to today’s extreme Right? :)

          • George Williams

            Silverfish, you are an ass.

          • plsilverman

            Why the obsession with that part of my body?

          • George Williams

            Because it happens to be what your entire body is comprised of, a big butt with eyes sticking out.

          • George Williams

            Accept the fact that the Democrats are no more than rebranded Communists who lie and cheat, ignore the law and the Constitution, and circumvent the will of the people to obtain their goals. That’s been the tactics of the International Communist Party since it’s inception, and a tactic used by the Obama administration today.

          • John Daly

            Phil, you think everyone to the right of Fidal Castro is “extreme right”.

    • Wheels55

      So, you live in a black neighborhood? You send your kids to black schools? Do you purposely spend your waking hours figuring out how to be with people of a different race?
      If not, you are not alone. People just end up where they need to be and if other races are there too, then so be it. To say “that 100,000,000 are not still pro-segregation” is like saying that those people should try to be with other races all the time.

      If I am with people of a different race than me, so be it. I don’t try for that to happen. It just happens – like life.

      As long as folks like you throw up the race issue, it will never go away.

      • plsilverman

        no. it simply says that they want things the way they were in 1963.

        • George Williams

          Social Security has been around since the 30′s. Does that mean that Democrats just want to keep the same old failed policies of that era? Not that SS is one of them, but it does not necessarily follow that keeping laws and policies around since the Founders is a bad thing. Progressives have a history of changing things just for the sake of change and we now suffer the consequences of their social experiments and lack of commons sense. It’s a lie that conservatives want to return to the Democrats historically segregationist world view, or fight against the right of women to vote. Check your history, but not the Democratic Party’s revisionist version.

          • plsilverman

            Most Republicans do not want to send social security to wall street or turn medicare into vouchercare.

        • Wheels55

          Who is “they”?
          LBJ?

          • plsilverman

            no, the current GOP and it’s grotesque outgrowth, the Tea Party (aka The New John Birch Society). They despise the “Great Society” of LBJ.

          • AbdullahtheButcher

            The “Great Society” didn’t do diddly squat about poverty, and in fact damaged the black family.

          • plsilverman

            so, if we could go back and redo, we should have no poverty programs, no Civil Rights/Voting Rights legislation, no Affirmative Action because all of these programs were flawed? Yes, these programs helped get more and more African Americans into blue collar employment, into Union employment. How did the “Black family” get damaged by this? Prior to 1964, Black families were better off? Being systematically kept out of better opportunities in education and employment? The Welfare programs, as I understand it, initially had poor oversight and tended to create a “stay at home”, intergenerational syndrome. Welfare Reform got rid of that “lifestyle”. But on-the-job training and tax breaks for employers hiring within certain criteria were cost effective and good for the economy. Black families still have a fractured history because of the institutional racism. A study was done in the ’70s, as I recall, where it was learned that most Black children could not name / or ever knew their grandparents. But you say, tough, right?
            I was an employer Advocate for the State of NJ, starting in the mid-70s and saw a lot of good and some bad programs – JTPA (thanks to Ted Kennedy & Dan Quayle) solved a lot of problems.
            Now today, Black and White middle class-Blue Collar has to fight the extremist Right wing who will not support production and construction workers, because that means Obama’s unemployment figures drop and because that means Union workers benefit.

          • AbdullahtheButcher

            Actually, it was giving money to unmarried mothers. When you subsidize something, you get more of it. More women basically thought why should they need a husband when the government can give them cash just for having kids. Supposedly, studies have indicated that children in two parent homes oftentimes turn out better than if they were raised by just one parent. Even FDR thought that government aid should be a safety net for those who need it; however, he was also concerned that people might wind up basically using the safety net as a hammock.

          • plsilverman

            I thank you for your long and thoughtful post. But – from what I know of NJ – after Welfare Reform was accepted, then any child conceived after Welfare begins is NOT paid for – not one penny – by the taxpayers. Yes, the Great Societies of FDR & LBJ had a lot of built-in, troubling, anti-American aspects. But, to me, we were in emergency situations..the problem was more in the implementation and political input.

          • AbdullahtheButcher

            Yes, as you said Welfare Reform came about…but how do we know that the damage wasn’t already done? Also, some economists have stated that some aspects of the New Deal may have actually prolonged the Great Depression. It was WWII and the industrialization for the war effort which ended the Depression.

          • plsilverman

            Interesting.

          • George Williams

            Jackass, it was the Democrats who fought the civil rights acts. And the so-called “Great Society” has been proven to be a “Great Failure”. Considering the outcome, it would appear to be that anyone who recognized the shortcomings of this program has had his opinion vindicated forty years later. This is how Wikipedia lists the outcome of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Note that: 63 percent of all Democrats voted for it, while 80 percent of all Republicans voted in favor. More proof that the opportunists of the Democratic Party are new converts to civil rights. Useful idiots like yourself, sivlerfish, have been indoctrinated into believing the their version of hisory:

            Again, Wikipedia’s data on the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

            The Senate version, voted on by the House:[

            Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)

            Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

          • AbdullahtheButcher

            The Tea Party wants government to stop spending money like the proverbial drunken frat boy on spring break. How is that “grotesque”?

          • plsilverman

            they will shut down the gov’t to make political points…they will overturn the Voting Rights act if they could…they run candidates like O’Donnell and Angle and West and Bachman, people who say they have lists of “68 to 71″ commees at the capitol. they allow Obama-in jungle-gear posters at their festivals. they don’t even realize that they are front group for the Koch Brothers, whose Dad was a founding member of the John Birch Society. Many of their members see Obama as the forerunner of the anti-Christ. they want to turn medicare into vouchercare and send social security to wall street (until they realize they collect social security). you think it’s just humble folks who run small, local groups? ha!

    • DanB_Tiffin

      “racially insensitive”
      Yes,Mr. Victim! Both reality and the truth ARE recially insensitive. Neither reality nor the truth are concerned with your poor little FEELINGS.

      • Paula

        Will Rogers said it best: When ignorance gets started it knows no bounds.

        That is the problem with these progressive liberals who think they know what is best for all of us! Do-gooders that do absolutely NO GOOD except for themselves!

        • plsilverman

          how does the ignorance of the far Left these days compare to the ignorance on the far Right? do you reject all the fruits of that ignorance? social security, medicare, voting rights, child labor laws, health insurers no longer able to reject patients with preconditions, unemployment (for when the Birchers in Congress decide to send back stimulus money and decline on infrastructure contracts and encourage corporate raids of viable companies).
          will you return part of your social security check?

          • George Williams

            The Democratic party was the party of the segregationists. Democrats are the masters of revisionist history in claiming otherwise. States are responsible for their own infrastructure, as they are the best judges of their own and make the most use of their bridges and roads. There is no Constitutional mandate for the federal government’s intervention in the affairs of the states when it comes to state infrastructure, as much as the federal government would like to make states beholden to the power of the federal purse.

            States are perfectly capable of regulating insurance companies, should they so choose. Massachusetts is a perfect example of this. Regulating insurance, a business that does not come under the Commerce Clause, is not a part of the federal charter known as the COTUS.

            And your defamation of states as Birchers is so ignorant as to be ludicrous. The states sent back infrastructure money because federal funds have to be matched by state funds in new projects, and states do not have the money to do so. And the government gave California money for high speed rail, but that was only seed money. California citizens would have to raise taxes to complete the project, at a time when their businesses are fleeing that state. They gleefully point to a surplus, forgetting that it is only temporary and until those businesses can relocate to a state with a more favorable economic climate such as Texas. The federal gifts always come with strings that threaten the fiscal security of the accepting states, hence some are reluctant to accept their presents.

            Social Security is going bankrupt. So much for the fruit of the social Democrats of FDR.

            Medicare is going bankrupt. So much for the fruit of the social Democrats of LBJ.

            The cost of those people who have preconditions will drive up insurance costs tremendously on those who don’t have them. And when insurance companies are forced to accept those with preconditions it is no longer insurance but health maintenance. Insurance is an instrument whereby insurers balance the numbers of those who stay well against those who have a risk of getting sick. Insurers no can no longer leave the already ill out of their risk pool, driving up the cost up tremendously with the certainty of the costs of those who already sick. People with histories of good life styles and health now have to support those who may have been big risk takers in that they are obese, smoke, drink or take drugs.

            .

          • plsilverman

            (drumroll) Here we go again! The DIXIECRATS were segregationists and are Democrat in name only. They are/were “Conservative”, and to the Right of John Birch.>>>the good people take care of the bad people? the ones with good genes? the givers vs, the takers? ha! ever heard of Welfare Reform? it’s no longer a lifestyle. I had to enforce that program on behalf of employers, for years, in NJ.>>>the stimulus $$$ was returned and infrastructure contracts declined for partisan reasons only, mainly because (1) it would lower Obama’s unemployment figure and (2) it is too friendly to Unions.

          • George Williams

            Prove what you said about Dixiecrats by naming names and instances of Democrats who became Republicans. If you can’t, then you’re just blowing smoke up our butts.

          • plsilverman

            There were plenty of Dixiecrat slobs then. Sure. They were also known as arch-conservatives. Today that mentality belongs lock, stock, and barrel with the hard / Religious Right.

          • George Williams

            No, there are just lying hypocrite demagogues in the Democratic Party who will glom onto anything that can be misconstrued to be damaging to their opposition. You were wrong about the Dixiecrats and so wrong about just about everything else you’ve claimed to be fact.

          • plsilverman

            I’m wrong. :) Good one. How would a pro-segregationist Democrat get along with Pelosi and Reid today. The Dixiecrats were/are (where?) essentially “Historical” Democrats, or very reasonably called Confederates. They were Democrats because the CONFEDERATES were Democrats – but ultimately, they were Conservative – actually Right wing extremists. That is a stone fact.

          • George Williams

            Conservative means the belief in adherence to the rule of law and the Constitution. Progressive means, as Obama practices it, ignoring law, ignoring the separation of powers and stealing wealth through confiscatory taxation.

          • George Williams

            You were wrong about the Dixiecrats, good one. Remember, before Reid was demagoguing over amnesty for illegal immigrants, he was amnesties worst enemy. Reid and a pro-segregationist would see eye to eye, as their only goal is to get elected to office. Pelosi is the same kind of unethical opportunist, who says she’s a good Catholic, yet violates the Churches encyclical on abortion. Pelosi’s values are situational and weak. Both are pathetic.

          • plsilverman

            all subjectivity on your part. I’m not impressed…and neither are the *true* Republicans on this site. please, no more posts to me.

        • plsilverman

          He was referring to characters similar to the John Birchers currently inhabiting the Capitol.

          • George Williams

            Tell us one instance of how the Republicans act like John Birchers. I’d like that discussion, so I might correct some of your lunacy. We can call names all day. I suggest that Pelosi, Reid and others emulate the communist party of old. You know, the party that devalues our national sovereignty by advocating against border security. Stalin didn’t believe in borders either. It was his position that the world belonged in the Soviet camp; that borders only got in the way of communist unity. Stalin undoubtedly would have been pleased with the Democratic Party’s devaluation of citizenship. In his world, there was only one citizenship, that of membership in the Communist Party. Obama believes in world governance, where autonomy of action is frowned upon, where only consensus rules. The problem with this is the same as with the United Nations. Nothing gets done. In the Democrat’s world, no one need know English. One can make English his second language and still be a good citizen. Maintaining suspicions between ethnic groups who have no common language is important to Democrats as it keeps their constituency ignorant and more manageable. They can control the narrative better. It’s also a good point with which to demonize their Republican opposition who believe in the melting pot that this country has historically been. Democrats believe in a salad, where ethnic groups keep their language and Balkanize he nation. The result is a weaker nation comprised of people who have special interests rather than common goals.

          • plsilverman

            John Birch Society was a pro-Segregationist group, as is the Tea Party, the front group for the Kochs , whose Dad was a founding member. By the way, daddy Koch made his first billions off the Commie system and Stalin at his fighting weight. The new GOP extremists want to undue Civil Rights Legislation, especially the voting Rights Act of 1965.
            So U agree that John Birch (who we all know said Eisenhower was a Communist) was over the top? :)
            The JB Society ain’t what it used t’be,…but we know the Kochs are more powerful than ever – a JB Society dude was allowed about 2 hours on Coast to Coast, yapping away while the Host John B. Wells, sat all a-gaga. Audience – probably 16,000,000 listeners. They are live and well. And most REPUBLICANS are appalled.

          • George Williams

            If it’s father like son you’re referring to, let’s discuss the father of your hero, Al Gore, who was one of those segregationists that fought civil rights laws. I have no affiliation with John Birch and I argue that your bobble head is just spouting lies from Media Matters and the greatest fabulists of them all, the Obama camp. You’re the progressive. I would argue that the only reason that you are arguing that the Voting Rights Act should be renewed is that you need a new issue with which to demagogue the Republican Party. The SCOTUS ruled that the Act is out of date and does not reflect the conditions that now exist in the country. Those who feel that they are being victimized by local governments can sue in court. The Holder DoJ is thoroughly politicized and corrupt and can’t be said to be an honest broker for enforcement of the law. His DoJ has broken the sacred trust of the citizen and isn’t competent to judge who is and isn’t violating civil rights laws. If we had an honest Senate, one that didn’t politicize the law, Holder would be impeached and his court of racialists would be broke up and sent back to Al Sharpton’s bigot brigade.
            Give us some details on why the Koch brothers are so evil. I can’t seem to find anyone who knows any details of their evils. You have nothing on them. You’re only spouting what Obama, Media Matters and Chris Matthews tell you to say.

          • plsilverman

            my turn: (pause) You are just spouting Hannity, Coulter, and ALEC. I doubt that Al Gore is a hero of mine. If his Father was a racist, which I gather he was, then he was an idiot. If his Father was a dixiecrat, or a “dixiecrat” in his actions and beliefs, which I believe he was, he was extreme Right wing, not a real, modern day Democrat. >>>Guess what? I go Media Matters maybe once a month for one minute. Sorry to disappoint you.

          • George Williams

            High minded of you to let Gore off the hook while tarring the Koch Brothers for something their father allegedly did.

          • plsilverman

            how did I let Sr. Gore off the hook when I called him a “dixiecrat”? I have not researched Sr. Gore but I have gathered he was a segregationist. U kidding? the Kochs Father went to Russia and made billions off Stalinist Russia and then returned to be a leading segregationist. The boys are carrying on their Dad’s work….but I’ll give them this much: they probably don’t think eisenhower was a Communist. let this be the last post to me, please. I believe you are on crusade to “expose progressives/Libs/Dems”, fine. leave me out of that. I disagree with a lot of what the Democratic party has done. Ok..R we done? thank you..

          • George Williams

            I challenge you to cite anything illegal that the Koch brothers are doing that is illegal or immoral. You can’t, because you are superficial in you knowledge, accepting everything Obama and his corruptocrats as gospel.

          • legal eagle

            That was Al Gore’s father you moron…

          • George Williams

            That’s what it says, you illiterate fool….

            “If it’s father like son you’re referring to, let’s discuss the father of your hero, Al Gore, who was one of those that didn’t vote for the civil rights acts.”

          • legal eagle

            And I care whether Al Gore Sr. voted for the Civil Rights Act because?

          • George Williams

            I was addressing silverfish’s rant.

          • mcveen

            About half way down the bottle now beagle?

          • John Daly

            >>John Birch Society was a pro-Segregationist group, as is the Tea Party,

            Good lord, Phil. You really are beyond redemption, aren’t you?

          • mcveen

            I don’t believe your routine support for arguments. When you state the supposed fact supporting argument, include some proof or verification.

          • Paula

            Yawn!

          • plsilverman

            Ok..I’ll start using Allan West.

          • John Daly

            If you do, learn how to spell his name first.

          • mcveen

            I hope so because Allen West is a great man and a true patriot.

          • plsilverman

            I know nothing about him outside of his bizarre behavior at the Capitol: “68 to 71 Communists” on a list? True Patriot, no problem.

          • plsilverman

            what I know of him: he believes there is a list of Commies at the Capitol: “68 to 71″ Commies. I’m sure he’s a Patriot, ok.

          • mcveen

            Where did you get that? You might be misinformed.

          • John Daly

            John Birch again! Are you some how making money off of Google Ad-words by continually typing that name?

      • plsilverman

        My poor little feelings? All due respect, but am I chatting with a female? OK. Racially insensitive can mean bigoted. Racist is something else. My feelings are not hurt by posts like yours, just my sense of amazement that 2013 so often resembles 1913 on this site.

        • George Williams

          You’re a patronizing guilt ridden white guy who thinks that the only way to save his sole is to be the sock puppet of Al Sharpton. I don’t believe that you have an independent thought in your head, like the bobbleheads on springs whose source of motion is the vibes of their left wing progressive masters at the HufPo, Media Matters and Obama’s sycophants.

          • John Daly

            Ouch!

          • plsilverman

            I’m the perfect balance to you, a child of Foxnews, ALEC, the the RNC. And an obvious “sycophant” of Allan West, Sarah Palin, Limbaugh, Jerome Corsi, Drudge, Coulter, Levin, Alex Jones, Gaffney, Hannity, Beck, Bachman, King. I giot some copies of The American Rifleman. Do you collect them? Usually Wayne La Pierre has something valuable to say (on behalf of gun-manufacturers only).

          • George Williams

            I’ve just realized that I’ve been talking to Chris Matthews.

          • plsilverman

            now my turn: I realize I’ve been talking to Allan West.

          • George Williams

            Retired Army colonel and great statesman, Allan West? Thank you for the compliment.

          • plsilverman

            yeah…has he shared his list with you? of “68 to 71 Commies” at the Capitol? If we are going to go by Military service experience as a Resume point, then Jimmy Carter should get kudos from you.

          • George Williams

            Look closely at these people. What do they have in common? Seizure of wealth through high taxes. The communists believe that the wealth of the nation should be under the control of the government. Some of these people would go back to the days of FDR, when the highest tax rate was 90 percent. The only difference between the communists and the Democrats of the day was 10 percent. The Democrats have proven that they are not interested in controlling the borders or national sovereignty. They easily cave to the demands of Mexico and their exported poor to ignore our immigration laws, with some even demanding citizenship. Tell me which party is more interested in transnationalism. Tell me that an amnesty doesn’t mean the importation of a permanent poverty class and isn’t detrimental to the nation’s future and I’ll call you a liar. Communists historically love poverty, as they use it to further their political interests. The poor tend to make good revolutionaries. Democrats love the poor because they are voters and their vote cheaply bought, the actual taxpayer be damned. Both believe that the capitalist is an evil to be exploited for his ability to provide tax money, at least until he’s as poor as the rest. Democrats believe that the capitalist is the product of the collective’s wisdom and labor. Communists believe that the capitalist is the product of the collective’s wisdom and labor. Obama and Elizabeth Warren have said as much by telling the successful businessman that he “didn’t do that” when it was indeed the businessman’s ability and personal risk that “did do that”. Yes, if you put your sweat, money and intelligent thought and time into making a business successful, you didn’t do that, the collective did. That’s a communist principle. Obama himself lamented that he wished that the Supreme Court had done more in the way of forcing wealth redistribution. He’s a man after Marx and Engels collective heart. Even Obamacare is a communist type imposition. Only communists would consider it morally correct to force a citizen to buy a product contrary to his personal desire. Never before in our history has our government been given the power of force against the citizen and punish him with fine or imprisonment if he didn’t buy a product against his will Only communists would consider such use of force and fine acceptable. West was right. Lastly, it is a communist practice to disarm the people so as to suppress armed opposition to their tyrannical edicts when necessary. Today, the Democrats seem to have a fanatical urge to disarm the people in the attack of the 2nd Amendment, in the name of curbing gun violence. What is their real agenda? The communists went underground, rebranded themselves and became the Democratic Party. And why not? They have the same philosophy about wealth and property sharing and use of force against the people.

          • plsilverman

            yeah, yeah, yeah….Obama said they didn’t do it themselves. He said that the biggest business successes STILL had help, probably from the “government”, which means taxes from all of us. that’s all. just like the “spread it around” propaganda – he was saying to a certain Plumber that it’s now time to give a leg up to the middle…give them the breaks the very rich have had. that’s all. But foxnews went nuts with that. Even Bill Samman at Fox admitted that all that stuff about Obama the Socialist was not true.>>Obama never raised taxes on 95% of us and he gave tax relief 18 times to the small employer. PLUS, Romney himself said, yes, those tax loopholes on the very rich have to go. I don’t like being a “liar”, and you would never say that to my face, I can absolutely guarantee that. your writing is getting very defensive and desperate. If you do not initiate any posts in my direction, I’ll do the same. this is getting tired, no? :)

    • Paula

      Don’t read it if you don’t like it, there are lots of sites for Progressive liberal bulls*it! Goodbye!

      • George Williams

        Silverfish is the blogger equivalent of the cockroach. They’re hard to be rid of.

        • plsilverman

          gee, I wonder if you would say that to my face. :)

          • John Daly

            lol. Oh brother.

          • plsilverman

            your fifth “LOL” in about 3 days (?). Give us a few declarative sentences, even if they were crafted by Bill Samman.

          • George Williams

            LOL!

      • plsilverman

        Yes, there are balances to the New John Birch Society Hate Sites. :)

        • legal eagle

          Silverman…don’t respond to George Williams..he is too ignorant and you don’t want to encourage ignorant old haters..

          • John Daly

            Ignorant? Why? Because he’s cleaning both of your clocks with seemingly little effort?

          • legal eagle

            Go back to drinking and playing bad golf….

          • George Williams

            LOL, LOL, LOL!

          • plsilverman

            You, the vaunted pundit, with only “LOLs”? :)

          • mcveen

            You describe yourself.

        • mcveen

          Please give some links to honest liberal blogs without gov’t supervision/oversight.

    • George Williams

      “… is it too much to expect that 100,000,000 are NOT still pro-segregation?”

      You can only hope, as it fits your preconceived notions. No evidence is necessary for those who have special race detecting radar and when you have a great imagination, as do people like you, silverfish. Racism is all over the world, silverfish. We see it in Africa with their tribal rivalries, and the Middle East, where white slavery exists. It makes possible the slavery that still exists in Africa, because one group must view others as untermenschen to justify their institution.

    • mcveen

      But every time gov’t or anyone else tries to establish economic value in black communities, base elements within destroy. Can anyone stop it?

  • legal eagle

    Welcome to the world of Bernie “Archie Bunker” Goldberg….All bitter old white guys welcomed……

    • George Williams

      We meet again, old bitter self hating white person. People who hate their own race are pathetic. Psychologists tell us that self haters are making penance like the self-flagellating religious fanatics who finds self abuse exhilarating. Tell me, do you ever find anything nice to say about race of the Founding Fathers? I doubt it.

      • legal eagle

        Which founding father are you talking about?

      • Paula

        There is a name for them… Ethnomasochism is self-hatred on an ethnic basis, a condition peculiar to postmodern whites after 1945, especially in the West.

        • DanB_Tiffin

          Transfer neurosis. The self hatred and self pity from a dysfunctional childhood is still there.
          What are you compensating for? Asks Dr. Phil
          Well, they hate their country, their race, the capitalist system that brought them up well fed and well clothed (lots of guilt in there, too), their whatever and they have sooooooo much pity oooooozing out of every poor that they are not even interested in who is and who is not deserving of that pity. An addiction to the emotion of pity. Codependents is another word.

          • Paula

            Right on!

          • plsilverman

            who’s “them”? Liberal Whites? Or are all Civil Rights Activists Commee-Pinkoz? Are the “whites” who fought for Civil Rights legislation, Voting Rights, etc., really self-haters, not to be taken seriously? Are the Whites who stood next to the Blacks in foxholes just looking for notoriety? :)

          • George Williams

            It’s all too ironic that a Democrat progressive like yourself should talk about civil rights when it was your party that championed the fight against integration and equality for blacks for the century prior to the civil rights movement. When your demagogues saw the inevitable, that they were quickly becoming politically irrelevant, they disingenuously became champions of the downtrodden. What pathetic company you keep. How fitting that they should manage to rope in weak minded crap like yourself.

          • plsilverman

            “in the century prior”? yeah, that’s a big point. urns out that in this century we have Republicans acting like Democrats in the previous [plural] CENTURIES.

          • George Williams

            I assert that we are seeing the same opportunist Democrats that opposed Reconstruction. This time they are running a political plantation that keeps blacks in their place as supporters of policies that are destructive to their own interests.

      • plsilverman

        no self – hating; just aware of our history, the great things and the very bad things. The Founding Fathers were ok..but most were slave holders who really did not care about human beings being brought here in shackles, then separated from their wives, then made to “breed” with others. then raped. then murdered if they left the plantation. The FF said, sure, we’ll end slavery by, say, 1815. Caucasians today can’t be faulted for things before Civil Rights (which half the country wants to abolish) but should they dismiss the history?
        so with Zimmerman case we have a dead child who was obviously stalked and the country extrapolates that to the child was at fault because the killer profiled him according to “ghetto” imagery.
        the “don’t blame me” Whites sometimes get as overly defensive as some “Black activists” get “offensive”, no?

        • George Williams

          You, aware of history? Your awareness comes from the revisionist history of the communists, socialists and Democratic operatives. Your off handed comments like this, “The Founding Fathers were ok…but”, t alone tells me that your knowledge of the history of the Founding Fathers is superficial. Comparing them in the light of today’s progress ignores the 200 years plus that separates them from our time. Again, Martin assaulted Zimmerman. And such ‘children” routinely kill adults and children every day in Chicago. In my mind, he’s not a child when he’s beating my head against the concrete. I become the victim and I will not give up my right to self defense because you get all sentimental about childhood.

  • RoscoeBonifitucci

    Well spoken Brother Bernie. You show more dignity, integrity, truth, light and leadership than the Marxist Imposter in the White House EVER could. You are a Patriot. May God Bless you and your family.

    • plsilverman

      name ONE Marxist action of Barack Obama and leave out all the Bush II programs he has continued.

  • nkqx57a

    OH, how I wish Obama would have given a speech like that. However, I know that Obama could never give a speech like that. He could never bring himself even of the thought of giving a speech like that. It’s not in his character.

    Obama appears to be a man filled with bitterness, anger, and scorn for anyone of an opinion or view other than his. He acts in the most detestable, malicious,
    vindictive ways in order to manipulate and maintain power and control over
    others. Using every crisis whether real or manufactured to push his immoral and
    unconstitutional agendas. This says much about the character of Obama.

    • plsilverman

      what about his character? an African American elected to the Presidency twice in a still pro-segregationist Country? maybe his “anger” is realizing that 95% of the Country thought it would never happen.
      I guess all the returning soldiers from the Cheney War in Iraq and those 30,000,000 newly insured Americans (most of which are eager to pay a premium) really find fault with his character.
      Ask all those recent hires at GM and Chrysler if they hate Obama.
      But maybe you’re right – we should put in Romney & Ryan so we can start 3 new wars and voucherize Medicare, send social security to wall street and raid as many viable companies as possible. now THAT’s real character!

      • DanB_Tiffin

        “eager to pay”
        emotion does not equal payment.

      • George Williams

        Character? Obama is a disgusting narcissist who spent much of his early life in the company of Marxists, smoking dope and cocaine. In his later live he worked for ACORN, shaking down local businesses for contributions to their causes. His main advisors are a shadow government of czars who hold the true power, over that of his cabinet. Most would never get security clearances or pass advise and consent of the Senate, which is why they are czars instead of cabinet members. Obama has squandered billions of dollars of taxpayer money on failed green energy projects. Obama’s DoJ is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Mexicans through the irresponsible transfer of automatic weapons to drug cartels Obama’s Attorney General has been cited for contempt of Congress for stonewalling the investigation into weapons transfers. Thousands of blacked out pages of documents have been provided to the committee and Obama’s DoJ considers this to be full cooperation. Obama’s State Department got the ambassador in Benghazi and other government employees killed by failing to protect them from harm, when the potential for harm was evident to all in the world community.. Obama and his minions then lied repeatedly, first to the American people and then to the United Nations about who was responsible for their deaths. Obama is stonewalling the House committee responsible for looking into the deaths in Benghazi. Obama is responsible for forcing a new and disastrous health care system that even members or his own party have called a disaster. Obama’s failed Middle East policies have been nothing but disasters. Obama’s IRS is guilty of abusing their power using it to further Obama’s political goals. The Obama White House lied, via their professional liar, Carney, saying that it was the responsibility of a few rogue agents. Those “rogue” agents denied it, and now the evidence points to an Obama appointee in Washington. Obama’s DoJ violated the 1st Amendment rights of a member of the press. Obama lied about Obamacare, stating that if you like your doctor and your insurance then you can keep them. Obama lied about his mother’s experience with her insurance company, stating that they refused to pay, when in truth, they paid her bills without dispute. Obama deceived the unions about Obamacare, and now they are demanding an exception to that which would be imposed upon the rest of us. Obama’s surrogate, Harry Reid, stated on Obama’s behalf, and without equivocation, that Romney hadn’t paid federal taxes for the ten years prior to the election. Obama falsely implied that the Martin Zimmerman case was decided on a “stand your own ground” defense, when it was decided purely on Zimmerman’s self defense as he was getting his head bashed in. Obama lied about his association with Bill Ayers, a domestic terrorist, with whom he regularly associates. Obama said that he was just a casual acquaintance, when it has been proven that Obama had been a close confidant for many years. Obama wrote an autobiography that has been proven to be chock full of lies, with made up composite characters. Obama has deliberately concealed his college and other records. As Obama has himself has often said, if you’ve done nothing wrong, then what do you have to hide. Apparently Obama has a lot to hide. Obama’s White House exposed Seal Team Six and made them subject to retaliation for getting Bin Laden.

        • plsilverman

          all junk. sorry. Obama’s IRS? Any proof he directs the actions of the IRS? Alinksy!!! That’s great! we have a system of checks and balances – you guys have Birch, we have Alinksy. at least, ol’ Sol wasn’t a segregationist.
          If Reagan and Bush II were not impeached, what can Obama POSSIBLY be impeached for?>>>>Pipeline! very cute! all of a sudden the GOP wants construction work done! got newz fer ya: the GOP knew very well that the pipeline would tear up the Midwest, offer MAYBE 6,000 Americans jobs and supply China, mainly. >>>Benghazi: with the GOP-led reduction in security funding these things happen. It was a CIA site & the CIA was there within 25 minutes. Just 4 perspective, look up the “Beirut 241″.>>funny that when Obama tried to compromise his way out of a re-election, with his deficit reduction package, Boehner still would not open the envelope.
          >>narcicissm, ya got me there: no politician has ever been concerned about appearance until Obama.>>high cost of gas? boy, U are reallly rolling out those RNC/Rove/Newcorp talking points. Obama has done more onshore drilling than Bush II. he had to conmvince many drillers to actually drill, after he took office. he has done less offshore…I wonder why? did it bother you that gas doubled under Bush II?

          • George Williams

            On shore drilling has gone up only on land not controlled by the federal government. Need a reference, and nothing from the liar in chief, please.

          • George Williams

            Your casual dismissal of the mountain of evidence is just proof of what a filthy little sycophant you are.

      • George Williams

        Everything depends upon the success of Wall Street. Without the success of corporate America, there would be almost no contributions to Social Security except by government employees. The state of the stock market represents the fiscal condition of capitalism in this country and ultimately the fate of Social Security. If private enterprise goes belly up on large scale, so does Social Security, as SS is not self sustaining without their contributions. The idea that there is no nexus between success of SS and Wall Street is delusional. The only creators of wealth in this country are entities in the private sector, those who fund the program. SS is a bet against the capitalism and is thus a cynical one. On the other hand, buying stock and investing is a bet on the success of the capitalism. Purchases of stocks provides capital for the expansion of private industry and the creation of wealth. SS is no more a wealth producer than burying your money in your back yard. There are no guarantees in life, from the government or the private sector.

        • plsilverman

          Wall Street and big banks and corps. LOVE Obama. I do not like the “Silverfish” statement. Do not make fun of my Father’s name. Please do not write stuff here that would never say to my face. and don’t be so sure that my “20″ reports on your harassment have gone unnoticed. :)

          • George Williams

            Come visit me in Korea and I’ll call you silverfish to your face.

  • Ksp48

    By the way if a rattled young white man wearing a hoodie enters your elevator. What are you going to do with your purse?

    • plsilverman

      What if the person with the purse was the rattled person whose behavior ended up “rattling” the guy in the “hoodie” to the point he feared for his life (possibly moreso after realizing the purse was a gun). By the way, how is calmly walking home from a convenience store expressing “rattled” behavior?

      • George Williams

        He’d have to be wielding a gun or be cornered from running to make a stand your ground case. The fact is that Zimmerman lost sight of Martin and reported so. Martin was no longer in danger when Zimmerman was returning to his car. The next thing Zimmerman knew, Martin was assaulting him. Try to stick to the facts, Silverfish. Making things up isn’t your strong suit. By the way, I like your new name, Silverfish. It suits your slimy nature, as silverfish are found in dirty, dark and damp stinky corners.

      • George Williams

        How is just continuing on that path without viciously assaulting someone who is suspiciously following him not the best remedy for that situation? Martin chose to fight. No one forced him to. He chose to fight because he though that he could beat the crap out of a pudgy Hispanic and get his thrill from it, just has he had done before. Unfortunately he picked the wrong victim.

        • plsilverman

          did Martin know his “victim” was Hispanic? How did an unarmed youth, 17 years old, walking home from convenience store, “pick” someone to try to kill unless he felt he was being followed – and the follower got too close and running was not an option? Seems to me the Neighborhood Watch guy decided to leave his vehicle at the point he saw a “hoodie”…a fight ensued. Instead of wait for the police Zimmerman chose to follow his “suspect” despite orders (that he solicited).
          and again, was there any evidence that Martin knew the ethnicity of Zimmerman? any evidence that Martin acted aggressively in the past towards Hispanics?

          • George Williams

            Well, silverfish, following someone from a distance is not a criminal offense, nor is it particularly threatening, warranting an unprovoked attack. If it were, the crowded New York City streets would be littered with the bodies of George Zimmermans. And running was an option. Martin was not cornered, nor was he handicapped. He was more physically fit than Zimmerman. If he really felt threatened, Martin could have run to any one of the numerous nearby houses. And is own house was only a sprint away from where the scuffle took place. Lastly, he wasn’t being followed just prior to attacking Zimmerman. Zimmerman lost him and was going back to his car when he was attacked. Why must there be evidence that Martin was partial to attacking Hispanics? And what does it matter that Zimmerman was Hispanic?

            “Seems to me the Neighborhood Watch guy decided to leave his vehicle at the point he saw a “hoodie”…a fight ensued.”

            Seems to me that you are making things up to fit your biased idea of what happened. You progressives just need to use your imagination and write your script to make it fit the crime. You start out with the premise that the white Hispanic is naturally a bigot and run with it from there.

          • plsilverman

            you brought up Zimmerman’s ethnicity. Never occurred to me to even ask. :) And one other thing, Martin was 17. (and Zimmerman defied official orders).

          • George Williams

            “defied official orders”…..Nonsense! The person who took his call had no authority over him. Her suggestion was advisory and had no force of law. And she was no doubt concerned for Zimmerman’s safety, not the suspect’s. Only fools with an agenda try to use this as some kind of evidence against Zimmerman.

          • George Williams

            I would argue that if he were white you’d have made even more of this issue.

  • Ksp48

    By the way if a rattled young white man wearing a hoodie enters your elevator. What are you going to do with your purse?

  • Ksp48

    While George Zimmerman is one of the least racist people in the country ( bAsed entirely on the evidence). If this case was not about Racial profiling then all the liberals and even the president would have to admit that the young man who was kicked out of school and his mothers home and had burglary tools and jewelry doubled back and attacked mr Zimmerman.

  • Ksp48

    While George Zimmerman is one of the least racist people in the country ( bAsed entirely on the evidence). If this case was not about Racial profiling then all the liberals and even the president would have to admit that the young man who was kicked out of school and his mothers home and had burglary tools and jewelry doubled back and attacked mr Zimmerman.

    • George Williams

      Not to mention the evidence on Martin’s cell phone that he took pleasure in using physical violence against his enemies.

      • plsilverman

        I guess that justifies Zimmerman leaving his vehicle with a weapon.

        • George Williams

          Yes, it does. He had a permit to carry and was not restricted to keeping it in his vehicle. The evidence shows conclusively that Trayvon Martin assaulted Zimmerman. People have been know to kill others with only their limbs, by kicking or by fist. In this case, Martin was attempting to brain Zimmerman using his hands to thrust his head onto a concrete surface. By your measure he should have just kept his gun holstered and accepted the beating with equanimity, advice best taken by the retarded Democrats who would do the world a favor by subjecting themselves to Darwin’s theories of natural selection. Republicans and other rational people would have resorted to the gun, rather than risking getting their brains beat in. On the other hand, Silverman, if you were in Zimmerman’s place, you would probably be dead and we wouldn’t have to suffer your stupid commentaries anymore.

          • plsilverman

            I don’t dig you calling me by my last name, pal and I don’t care for your last sentence.
            As far as what you imagine I would do: I would have stayed in the vehicle and waited for police. He had absolutely no reason to leave the car (gun or no gun) after the dispatcher gave him official instructions to stay there. Zimmerman calls the police and then decides not to follow the instruction. Why? We don’t really know if he was trying to be a big man by capturing a “Black man” – the description given by someone in that area who had recently been robbed. If Zimmerman was attacked by a 17 year old boy, perhaps the 17 year old was being bothered by this stalking figure. Re. “retarded” Dems, most them are ask only for what Reagan asked for.
            I have to report the last sentence you wrote and it most likely will be to people beyond the parameters of this site.

          • George Williams

            Go ahead, you illiterate demagogue, Silverfish. Report me. It’s done you no good for the last 20 times you’ve done so, Silvershit.

          • plsilverman

            Why do you make fun of my Father’s name? I can assure you that you would never do that in person. :) But I do enjoy your writing: like calling ME illiterate while you call me what you just called me.

          • Jeff Webb

            You use the “you wouldn’t say that to my face” line pretty regularly. What makes you think someone wouldn’t make any of these statements directly to you?

          • George Williams

            Thousands of 17 year olds are killed every year by thug 17 year olds who you weep for and call children. The use of the words “child”, and “boy” in your narrative add nothing to the facts but is meant to further demonize a man who was only defending himself. What a coward like you would do, silverfish, is of no consequence to the rest of us. And leaving the car and not following a dispatcher’s advice has no relevance to the fact that Martin had the options of attacking Zimmerman or avoiding him but chose the former, much to his misfortune. The fact that Zimmerman was interested in police work and profiled Martin is no relevance. Millions of people, black and white make superficial judgments on the character of others every day without being subjected to the scrutiny of the world. The difference between them and your self-righteous person is that you are not honest enough to admit that you do it yourself. Your imagined assertion about the character of Zimmerman is of no relevance. The only relevant fact is that Martin attacked Zimmerman without warning and Zimmerman had a reasonable belief that he would be killed. Everything else is just noise from ignorant speculators with an agenda.

          • Jeff Webb

            Exactly which “people beyond the parameters” are you talking about, Silverman?

          • plsilverman

            grrrr…someone’s been watchin’ John Wayne movies!

          • Jeff Webb

            I figured you wouldn’t answer, so don’t worry your pretty little melon about it.

            Generally, it’s a good thing to keep on trying if your efforts fail, but in your case it isn’t. No matter how many ways you try to silence others (race card, asking others not to “initiate” posts, tattling or threatening to), you will not succeed.

            Whatever problem you have with people contradicting you, around here you’ll just have to get over it.

    • plsilverman

      getting a little tangential? the case revolved around did the guy who was followed fear the follower and tried to beat him to death? did the follower instigate the whole thing by not following the direction that he actually asked for?

      • George Williams

        Despite the vile racists contention, Martin instigated this by assaulting Zimmerman. Sorry, but it’s the inconvenient truth that you twist and turn to your own ends.

  • Eva Nunca

    Obama does nothing but divide the nation and avoid ways of discussing the horrifying state of the economy and our place in the world under his so-called “leadership” – why not state the truth: we are afraid of those people who wish to destroy our nation and they are not African Americans – they are people Obama refuses to name for fear of … what? I have no idea what … I don’t panic seeing a black man – I panic knowing the border is open to Jihadists, Chinese, drug cartels … since when does The President of The United States discuss a trial decided by a jury to the nation at large? Where are the checks and balances? Gone.

    • plsilverman

      Obama divides? I thought his opponents in the New John Birch Society (aka Tea Party) were the ones who wanted to abolish all CIVIL RIGHTS LEGISLATION.

      • George Williams

        No. It’s been decades since the act you refer to was passed. And it doesn’t do anything but release certain states from the arbitrary hand of the Justice Department under Eric Holder, and known race baiter. Jurisdictions that may be inclined to violate voting rights are still subject to the same federal law as all the other states. It’s unreasonable, after all these years to humiliate certain states for past practices that no longer exist. You practice that same demagoguery as Eric Holder and his racist department.

        • plsilverman

          got an example of Holder’s “race baiting”? Ya mean when he decided to stay out of a local Election Board issue with the faux Black Panthers?
          1964-65 is so long ago that the New John Birch Society/Tea Partiers have no use for it – has no relatability?. Many Tea partiers support undoing the Voting Rights Act, at least, which is exactly what the Voter Suppression movement was.
          Repubz never lie, never! There were no lies out forth in Romney’s campaign, for example.
          There is plenty more racism in the GOP since 2000 than in the Lib camp. Read up on Newt, Rush, Coulter, Gingrich, Palin, King, Bachman, Ingraham, Tancredo.

          • George Williams

            Faux Black Panthers? The fact is that the New Black Panthers prosecution was a slam dunk in the courts when the DoJ dropped the case. Christiansen, a former DoJ lawyer testified to Congress, saying that the DoJ policy was not to prosecute minorities for civil rights violations because the law didn’t apply to them. No. The people have the right to know that their vote will count, that it won’t be nullified by Democrats voting several times under different names. The fact is that voter ID states had record turn outs of minority voters, proving that the only faux that the lying, cheating Democrats believe in is the freedom to undermine the integrity of the vote. As I’ve said, people in the states that reported to the DoJ still have the same rights to sue violators of the laws as the other states that the didn’t apply to. Your faux is just like that of all demagogues, libeling and slandering states that have long overcome their burdens of violating voting rights laws. Your argument is moot, as you have absolutely no evidence that violating the voting rights of citizens is state government policy, which is what the law was about. You insist on lying, time and again, misdirecting, abusing your 1st Amendment rights. The SCOTUS sees it our way and the rest of us won’t let you live in the past, even if that is convenient for your ugly race baiting party. You’ll have to prove that the law should be put in affect again, and get Congress to pass it. Unfortunately. you don’t have any proof. You’ll just have to make your case out of whole cloth, as you are wont to do. Lastly, your writing stinks, close to being illiterate. I recommend English 101.

          • plsilverman

            my ugly race baiting? give me one example. But I know that this site is loaded with race baiting. Just look at all these posts and many of the commentaries. I am one of the few here who knows racially charged stuff when I see it. I report it. It’s a responsibility. I get a lot of defensiveness when I point out obviously racist posts. This site has devolved into a true Hate Site, racially obsessed. It ain’t me who is obsessed! :)
            Now, re. the fake Black Panther case – I did some work for the Board of Elections, in NJ. That “case”, if it can be called one, was very *local*. The hard right wanted to extrapolate it to Eric Holder to make him look racist. Didn’t work.
            I do enjoy your wild imaginings about my belief system. You’d be surprised to look at my voting record since 1972….let’s just say, it ain’t all Dems that I flipped the switch for. hehehe.

          • George Williams

            I know your belief system. You’ve abandoned your Jewish heritage for what amounts to socialist and communist tenets. We saw this prior to WWII, when Stalin recruited progressive Jews to fight in Spain against Franco and as spies against the U.S. government, all the while working in the government of FDR, undermining our diplomacy. You are the reason that Eastern Europe was betrayed to Stalin’s ambitions. You have the mentality of the Rosenbergs. and Greenglass, who betrayed our atomic secrets to Stalin. And you have the nerve to attack a great man like Bernard Goldberg. I spit on you.

          • plsilverman

            “lastly, your writing stinks, close to being illiterate”. (pretty funny, actually).
            can you show me where? I’m eager to learn. By the way, there are several publishers across the world and radio listeners who have disagreed with you. I insist on “lying”? That’s pretty strong. You want my e-mail address, to discuss that further? :)

  • Steve

    Great Bernie! Shelby Steele’s WSJ article should be read by every American that was in Monday’s WSJ editorial. I live in Chicago and see this crap every single day 24/7. Thanks for the insight.

  • k962

    Perception is reality! When the entertainment industry glorifies black thug rappers, who are nothing but foul mouthed punks ranting hate! Other people regard it as vile and unsocial behavior! Couple that with the crime rate among young blacks, then you get a a perception of blacks wanting to be criminals,right or wrong!

    • George Williams

      I’ll answer on behalf of psilverfish. “You’re a racist. I know one when I see one.”

  • Swampfox1965

    Bernie’s quite right, of course. If Sharpton and Jackson would repeat, in earnest, the words of Dr. King, and spend their time doing something about the problems in Black America, the entire nation would be better off — especially, as he says, young African American men.
    But they’re not going to do that. They won’t do that because their income stream depends on the racial divide they work to perpetuate. Shame on them.

    And Obama won’t do that because doing so would help to heal the country he’s trying to destroy.

  • Jenn

    Obama just likes to hear his own voice…

    • Wheels55

      Which has become like nails on a chalkboard.

      • Jenn

        precisely…ear shattering and annoying…

  • legal eagle

    It’s easy to identify the problem than propose any solutions….

  • chief98110

    Your right on target with this observation, the problem is the breakdown of the family unit. Black leadership has fail their people and the people are too dumb to realize that fact. Yet the supposed Black leaders continue to lie to their people about the real problem, Rev. King must truly be sad as he looks down on this mess.

  • Waznoo

    When I was a youngster I dressed like a hoodlum. I was constantly “harassed” by law enforcement, shop owners, and others is positions of authority. I had people locking their car doors when I approached an intersection. I had people cross the street before they got to me.

    Guess what. I am as white as they come. Blonde hair, blue eyes, turn pink in the sun. So, was I racially profiled?

    Because of my personal experience I know all this bull about racial profiling is just that…bull. It is meant to cause a false offense. A lot of people look for reasons to be offended now a days, and when they can’t find one, they invent one…like racial profiling.

    Because of my personal experience, I know it is not racial profiling. It is thug profiling. If you don’t want to be profiled as a thug, don’t dress like one, talk like one, walk like one, behave like one. So, the question is, who gets to define what a thug looks like, talks like, etc. I will tell you what gets to define it. It isn’t a who. It is crime statistics.

  • Rod

    Obama loves to talk but he has lied so much to America, his words are falling on deaf ears.

    • legal eagle

      What would you like Obama to do? According to right wingers like yourself anything Obama says is a lie.This way you can ignore what he says because you don’t give a hoot about solutions…

      • Jenn

        Obama is a liar…have you not figured that out yet?

      • USMC69

        I wouldn’t call him a liar if he told the truth.

      • Wheels55

        I would love for Obama to address our issues straight up.Be a true leader by saying what happened, why it happened, why it may or may not be wrong and what can be done about it. Benghazi, IRS, AP/Rosen media, fast & furious, deficit, debt, etc. are all issues he decides to not meet head-on. Even if he tells the truth but has a different opinion on it all, he would be respected by those on the right.

        • Eva Nunca

          I agree with you. This is the issue. Discounting the crime that is Benghazi also scandals with IRS, AP – he runs away from these issues with expensive-taxpayers footing bill-holidays so he can live his “power” – he addresses nothing – he scapegoates – now with a court case which is not under his jurisdiction – he is meant to unite a country. The divisions in this nation shall destroy us – Obama is the most divisive president in history. And yes: he is a liar.

          • plsilverman

            why are these “scandals” always said to have started at 1600? >>>wanna review REAL scandals from Reagan and Cheney-Bush II?

          • Wheels55

            No thank you. They are no longer in office.

          • plsilverman

            I guess they have zero relevance and offer zero perspective on today? But it will be refreshing, then, after ’16, when the Despise Obama 24-7 Movement loses a lot of steam.

          • Wheels55

            We will be paying for his mistakes for years. Obamacare will become like Medicare and food stamps – too big to fail. Yet, it will be another Post Office (which is supposed to pay for itself too).

          • George Williams

            Judging from the polls, Obama is on the slippery slope to ignominy.

          • George Williams

            Look, squirrel!

          • legal eagle

            What are you a three year old? He’s a liar? You didn’t vote for him because he’s a liar? Mitt Romney’s not a liar? McCain’s not a liar? You are not a liar? What a bunch of B.S.

        • legal eagle

          And you believe Obama knows the truth about everything that the government does? What is he, the Wizard of Oz?

          • Wheels55

            Presidents have huge staffs and many people heading up many organizations. If he wanted to know, he would. He either does not want to know, or he knows and acts like he doesn’t or he is stupid. Pick one.

          • legal eagle

            Simple answers from simple minds….Obviously you have no idea how large organizations work…

          • Wheels55

            Actually, I do know how large organizations work. The people at the top can stay a little while if they hide behind “i didn’t know” and “We should to the bottom of this” but do nothing about issues. Or, they can stay at the top for a long time by making it clear to underlings that stupidity and cover-ups are not permitted. Obama loves deflecting blame and glossing over issues. The difference between his leadership and that of a corporate CEO is Obama can only stay until 2016. After that, it’s a permanent vacation (I can’t wait).

          • legal eagle

            Well Mr. Wheels I am sure you will be moaning and groaning when Hillary is elected in 2016….and you will be longing for the good old days of W. Bush…

          • Wheels55

            Ah yes, more Corrupt Clintons. Hillary was such a great Sec of State – Four Americans killed and she has no answers. Four dead in Benghazi (Neil Young should write a song about that).

          • legal eagle

            Still working on that fake Benghazi scandal…

          • legal eagle

            Still working that faux Benghazi scandal? Perhaps you should read about what went on in Benghazi in the current Vanity Fair..

          • legal eagle

            You were an executive in a large corporation? I find that supposition highly unlikely…

          • George Williams

            You’re right, Obama knows nothing about what’s going on around him. He likes it that way, because he’s a master of deniable plausibility. He’s the modern version of a character called Sergeant Schultz on the TV show Stalag 13, who often claimed “I know nuting. I know nuting!.” We all know that he hired all those corrupt people for their mirroring of his world views. He doesn’t have to give them special direction to commit their destructive acts. Al Capone did the same thing. It was quite a coincidence when we found out that all his employees seemed to have same talent for playing the violin.

          • legal eagle

            More stupidity from George Williams.

          • George Williams

            More simple minded one liners from a progressive monkey.

          • Jenn

            awesome…you totally rock George…totally…and don’t listen to legal eagle…abviously an Obama lover…

        • plsilverman

          He has met a lot of issues head on: engaging Romneycare experts on Healthcare reform; removing DA-DT; getting Bin Laden without help from enhanced interrogation ( he ID’d the spot BL was found, in 2008!); getting Gadaffi without one drop of American blood spilled; creating a decent # of jobs despite the War on the Blue Collar Worker and Obama’s base, started 01-20-09.>>>”respected by those on the Right”? that’s a laff and a haff: 450 filibusters and about 1590 clotures? the most Obstructionist House in our history? The geniuses who want to replace Medicare with Vouchercare and send Social security to wall street?
          RE. the “scandals” (aka Rupert Murdochs’ wishlist): F & F: Obama told Holder to end the dumb program begun by Bush II’s Att. Gen.; IRS? zero chain to 1600; AP? same; debt? he was left with 11+ trillion and the INTEREST ON THAT! plus two unfunded wars, unfunded pharma. and an absurd tax program for 10 yrs., which added about 3 trillion to the debt.

          • Wheels55

            Wow! Maybe Obama should take another vacation.

            Obama didn’t kill Bin Laden. If you go to MCDonalds and like the food, you don’t tell Ronald that the burger was good. It’s the cook that made the burger, not the clown.

          • George Williams

            No, Obama doesn’t used enhanced interrogation, just enhanced HELLFIRE missiles that have been know to take out not only the intended victim, but collateral casualties as well. And Obama did nothing special to capture Bin Laden, as much as he used the personal pronoun “I” twenty times when he blew his own horn. The demise of Bin Laden was the result of years or legwork during the Bush and Obama administration by federal civil servants and military. The ultimate outcome would have been the same if that idiot Joe Biden had been president. I’ve heard of nothing that convinces me that Obama contributed to improving the probability of his capture/death.

      • George Williams

        Obama has no solutions except to focus on one group, tax them and transfer that money to buy votes from another. Yes, almost everything he says is demagoguery, blaming all his failures on his opposition party.

        • legal eagle

          Some problems have no solutions…What is the solution to your ignorance and bitterness?

    • Jenn

      very true..

    • Bob hadley

      OK, I’ll play Jesse Waters. Name one lie that Pres. Obama has told to the nation. Just so we’re on the same page, someone tells a lie when he represents as true a statement of fact(s) while, at the very same time, he knows that statement of fact(s) to be false.

      I bet you bristle when people accuse Pres. GW Bush of lying. Accusing someone of lying is serious. The accusation should not be made lightly, i.e. if you want your words to have value.

  • Art Schwartz

    If I was in an elevator with Obama I’d squeeze my wallet and money belt too!!

    • legal eagle

      You’d put your hands in your pockets so you could feel yourself getting hard…

      • Jenn

        sounds more like something you would do..

      • George Williams

        Are you staring at that mirror on the wall again, legal beagle?

        • Jenn

          gosh sake….legal eagle sure is in some desperate spot if all he can come out with is sexual comments…

    • Jenn

      same here..

      • George Williams

        Same here.

    • plsilverman

      why? he never raised taxes on 95% of us.

      • George Williams

        That’s exactly how this country loses. Those 5 percent will ultimately tire of being the goats for the country’s fiscal woes and take their money elsewhere. It happens in France and will happen here.

  • Ole Buck

    it is a fact that 93% of all back folks who are murdered are murdered by another black. Is it racist to point that fact out? Obama tried to point that out in his lecture, but lacked the guts to say it. The way he put it was that a black man was “more likely to to be killed by a peer”. He just did not have the guts to say the truth.
    He is such a sad and pathetic excuse for a leader.

    • Franklyn Douglas

      Funny how noone ever seems to point out that 86% of white people are killed by white people. The fact is that most people are killed by someone they know or someone in there own community, social circle.

      • Eva Nunca

        very true. very, very true.

    • legal eagle

      What’s your point?

      • George Williams

        I see that you agree. He is a pathetic excuse for a leader and the polls are starting to indicate that the majority agree. Only you pathetic sycophants remain in his court of lunacy.

      • Ole Buck

        My point is there is no outrage over the thousands of black on black murders. There are no riots. There are no protests. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have nothing to say about that fact, but they have tried to turn the Zimmerman case into a cause. Trying to find something that does not even exist.

        • legal eagle

          The point is that when there is an issue of injustice it should be pointed out….Is there black on black crimes in which the perpetrator was not arrested because he claimed self defense? Is there black on black crime when the perpetrator claimed he was “standing his ground”? If so it should be pointed out by the media…..That’s the issue in the Zimmerman matter not black on black crime….WAKE UP..

          • Ole Buck

            I am awake. There was no mention of “stand your ground” during Mr Zimmerman’s trial. I see you chose to ignore the facts of the case. “Stand your ground” was a red herring that the left wing media tried to use to convict Mr Zimmerman just because he objected to having his skull bashed against a sidewalk.

            My point in prior post is that nobody cares that blacks are slaughtering other blacks in America, so why all the outrage over this case? Was Martin’s life more valuable than all those black kids who have been murdered in Chicago so far this year? Nobody mourns those kids. Nobody marches for those kids. Nobody even cares.

  • dawgteacher

    Great article, pithy, concise, true, up to date, you want more?

  • monkdiz

    As usual, Bernie, you words are precise and your message rings clear. Thanks for your wonderful blogs/ articles. You are an American treasure.

    • legal eagle

      What’s so wonderful? Bernie is like a doctor who tells you you’re sick but says he has no remedies….

      • Jenn

        Bernie helps people think..maybe that is something you should be doing instead of writing these awful comments..

      • Swampfox1965

        You are wrong, L.E.. Bernie did identify the remedy, but he can only prescribe it, he can’t make the patient take it. The remedy is the one espoused by Dr. King: We (Black people) have to do something about it. “We’ve got to do something about our moral standards.”

        • legal eagle

          “Doing something” is a solution? Are you still a third grader?

          • Swampfox1965

            No, L.E., but your reply indicates you may be.

            Dr. King said the Black people need to “do something” — read IMPROVE — moral standards within their community. It’s an internal problem that can only be corrected internally. Bernie wrote the prescription by quoting Dr. King. It’s up to the Black community to take that scrip to the pharmacy — read their community leadership (but certainly not the race-baiting Obama / Jackson / Sharpton triumvirate) — for guidance in implementing policies that have a chance of achieving that necessary objective.

          • legal eagle

            You are talking in generalities…Poverty has been a condition in the black community for 200 years…It will not be solved by rhetoric. It will be partially solved by corporate America being forced by governments and unions to pay people living wages so they can have hope….

          • George Williams

            Since when in a capitalist society and under our Constitution is it the government’s mission to distort the wage market by instituting such controls? Goods and the labor market are priced in accordance with their value to the markets. The markets will react accordingly. When government’s dictate wages, labor markets react by reductions in employment, as private enterprise works to improve productivity by automation or instituting other measures. In short, raise wages and employers reduce the labor force. The only way to improve the labor market is for government to promote growth in industry. When industry grows, labor shortages appear and wages are raised commensurately. It’s too bad that you never studied capitalism, economics or finance.

  • A. Minority

    Reaper,

    You read the truth here, your comments are blind, senseless, and incohereant.
    Educate yourself, you owe it to your life to do so.

    God Bless,

  • Grim Reaper for GOP

    No surprise you are on FOX news with their talking points. Come on Bernie and you probably make a healthy salary, perks and retirement, you are not doing pro bono, you are not a volunteer, and you are not the loyal opposition, etc.

    Your version is consistent with the hurt and pain, but you missed it all together for your agenda. Your teleprompter comment is under handed and you probably are a birth-er to make him different, the constant under tow.

    Your paragraph 4 is not clear, is that you or the Sitting President.

    You but do the tactic, or gimmick of being the other side of the Sitting President in the natural law of for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Dah, that’ intelligent. Your agenda again?

    Then you could not quit, you go to pull the JJ card. Bernie there is no black and white world there is one world like there’s one America. You commit what you accuse the other of but you accentuate the divide by you participation, etc. Naughty, naughty. You could turn it around and choose not to.

    Then you lay out all the faults in the black world while you and the good olde bouys, WASP’s will not be the loyal opposition but the Benedict Arnolds from the night of the Sitting Presidents being sworn in for the first time and fight him from that night keeping the Middle Class down and out. .

    You are not right, you are Bigots, and you are hypocrites. And that’s tuff to do. Shame on you and your Ilk.

    • Mike Stokes

      I agree with Bernard and Im not a bigot or a hypocrit. Looks like black people are. Black people are committing most of the crimes in America, would you agree? If you don’t then that makes you a hypocrit. White people are just trying to stay out of their way. People like you are not helping things, just like Obama has not helped the situation, in fact he has made it worse. He is a bigot and a hypocrite, just like you are.

      • Franklyn Douglas

        Ummmm did you really say that Black people commit most crimes in this country. I think you have a few things mixed up. But I think it would be a waste of time to try to explain them to you. In short I will just say I think your confusing a disproportionate amount of crime by young black men per their % of the population with amount of total crime. Also it’s easy to simply look at the numbers of black men in Jail and draw your conclusion solely on numbers without exploring how the judicial system actually works. You may not know this or even care….but studies have shown that LADY JUSTICE….isn’t actually blind, or color blind. However it’s apparent to me that THIS president can’t win with this crowd. Just as unfairly as BUSH could not win with democrats. MANY of you all of a sudden become experts on the problems in the black community now. And find it a good time to hold this president responsible. But these problems didn’t start with the swearing in of BO. I don’t remember anyone holding past presidents accountable for the problems in the black community.

        • USMC69

          Past Presidents didn’t get involved in ongoing investigations and make press releases that were intended to taint the jury pool. Past Presidents kept their mouth shut until the facts were known.

          • Bob Hadley

            After the Trayvon Martin tragedy, Pres. Obama expressed condolences to his family and urged everyone to withhold judgment pending a thorough investigation of the facts.

            Are you saying that Pres. Obama jumped the shark, so to speak, when he acknowledged that Trayvon Martin was dead????

          • plsilverman

            yeah..a real “un-Presidential” thing to do: express remorse for a dead child, guilty of walking home from a convenience store.

          • legal eagle

            More ignorance from another Archie Bunker…

          • plsilverman

            really? Recall Nixon with witness tampering? recall the Iran-Contra scandal? U gotta be kidding.

    • George Williams

      You’re incoherent and blind and not worthy to comment on this blog.

    • ldn

      Is it not clear that someone named Bernard Goldberg is not a WASP? Sometimes people forget what words actually mean.

    • legal eagle

      Bernie is just playing the role of “Angry Old White Guy”. Fox News pays him to play “frack” to O’Reilly’s “frick”. He is not a bigot or a racist he’s just ignorant about what goes on in lower class America. His audience consists of the “Archie Bunker” crowd of angry old white men…

  • Brenda

    Bernie, I look at the situation like this….The death of Tryvan Martin was untimely, preventable and yes, racially motivated. However, I do agree with what you spoke of tonight when you quoted from a speech Dr. Martin L. King gave. In that speech he also educated Black America of some crime statistics wherein we had to also take a hard look at our irresponsibility as law abiding citizens in some cases. I feel that if President Obama said anything, it should have been to ask America to repent and encourage us, as nation, to return to being “One Nation Under God”! If that still were the case, maybe Trayvon may have been with his parents that night, maybe he would have even attended a church function that night and not been in harm’s way. Maybe George Zimmerman would have been in his own home reading his bible and not out on the streets pretending to be some type of neighborhood watch super hero!

    The state of our nation is spiraling downward and out of control! I don’t believe the answer is in another trial, or in our government at all. We the people, need to take responsiblity for the disintegration of family. Where are all the fathers? The responsible ones. Where are the responsible mothers? Who is taking responsibility for the children? Where are their role models if mom and dad are working 10-12 hours everyday! America really needs to do some self examination! All of America! If George Zimmerman ever does do any time for the shooting death of Trayvon, it will still never solve the horrific problem of this type of crime happening again. America, look to God! Stop blaming and pointing the finger at everyone else and take responsibility for all of our children! Maybe, just maybe, this tragedy will be used to cause America to do just that!

    • Seattle Sam

      If the death was racially motivated, why do you suppose the prosecution didn’t present evidence to support that? Or do you know something they don’t?

      • Brenda

        Sam, the problem with the evidence is this, the intent, the absolutely true intention of a heart, unfortunately is not able to be seen with the natural eye. If that were the case, many women and children that have been abducted by persons with an intent to bring about harm possibly could have been avoided. I feel it was racially motivated because, and this is just my feeling, my opinion now. i feel that if it were a young male of any other race, he would have been less likely to have gotten out of his vehicle, followed this child and ultimately shot him. Zimmerman made the statement that these **** are always getting away! He was told not to follow Trayvon, but he did. This tragedy could have easily been avoided. But again, I think it’s a call for all of us to do some soul searching before we have a society that is full of no love, joy, hope or peace for anyone.

        • Seattle Sam

          You can have your intuition, and I can have mine, but neither is relevant to the case. Zimmerman was not charged with bad judgment; he was charged with murder. That charge requires establishing an intent to kill beyond a reasonable doubt. Racial animus would have been supporting evidence for the charge. The prosecution didn’t establish any. They didn’t even really try to.

          • legal eagle

            Manslaughter does not require intent….why wasn’t he found guilty of manslaughter?

          • Seattle Sam

            The prosecution did not demonstrate that Zimmerman was not acting in self defense. That was his (successful) defense against all charges.

        • USMC69

          You are tying to say Zimmerman made a “racist statement” by putting in stars. The word he used was “punks” and could apply to any race, thus not a racist comment.

      • plsilverman

        because they screwed up…..they should have gone into the report that a “White Woman” was robbed by a “Black” in that neighborhood, earlier.

  • Venter

    Great commentary , however, Bernie when Obama talks you have to read between the lines. When he said ” Trayvon could have been his son”. That said a lot.
    When he spoke out last week he could have said “LOOK AT ME I AM BLACK MAN AND A TWO TERM PRESIDENT OF THE USA”

    • Mike Stokes

      Why don’t you read between the lines and tell us what Obama means when he said “Trayvon could have been my son.”

  • armyvet706

    Blacks have done it to themselves for generations, and have no one to blame but themselves. The majority of black men chronically sleep around with as many women as humanly possible. Then the hoe gets knocked up, and before you know, you have a perpetual revolving door of a fatherless generation of marked unwanted black kids running the streets, with no guidance from their absent sexually deviant fathers, smoking dope, selling drugs, committing robberies, murders, etc. It’s a learned behavior that is emulated by the younger generations. It’s a genetic flaw among the blacks in this country. Blacks are arrogant, yet a self loathing race. But it’s a cover for their race inferiority complex. Unfortunately for the rest of us, we are forced to endure their arrogance, total lack of tolerance for others, but above all, perpetuating their racial hatred toward others.

    • Mary

      Well said thank you.

    • legal eagle

      How would you know what blacks have done or not done…..A dumb bigot like yourself should stay in his room, put his hand in his pants and watch Fox News…

      • Jenn

        again…this sound like something you should be doing..

    • Jenn

      so very true indeed…

    • Franklyn Douglas

      Ok I’m done here. If ya’ll can’t see army vets post as filled with an intolerable racist perspective. I’m wasting my time here. I can’t see anyone agreeing with this as being open minded. Wow this is sad, and not the place for this conservative black man.

      You guys scare me. And ARMYVET I’m so glad your no longer in the service. I feel bad for any black troops that were under you. I can’t see how they could have ever gotten a fair shake from you.

      And I also served and led men in combat. Retired AIRFORCE TACP ( forward air controller ). Airborne, jump master,pathfinder, two combat tours in Iraq, 2/4 Cav 24 ID,and 3BCT 1Cav Div. And I treated all troops under me the same. And 95 % of my troops were white. I am glad I was able to be a good example of fairness and respect. From your views of black people…I don’t think they could possibly feel the same about you. That is if you even ever had any troops to lead.

  • Fred J Thomas

    Why are you so judgmental and bitter. I never hear any positive insights.

    • George Williams

      I don’t find it bitter at all, just being realistic. t’s about a grave problem that needs a solution. Fred, tell us about your suggestions for positive insights.

    • Eva Nunca

      A positive insight is pointing out the negative and providing an alternative. Also, it’s positive to have a dissenting voice in this monolithic non-journalistic fanzine atmosphere of passivity.

  • Obama swallows

    whos “truth” was he speaking…..

  • DanB_Tiffin

    I do remember in early July 2008 where Senator Barak Obama was talking to black audiences about taking responsibility for their families, often focusing on the role of fathers.
    Jesse Jackson was caught telling another guest that senator that Barak Obama was talking down to black folks.

    Does President Obama still believe in black adults taking responsibility for their families? Does Jesse Jackson still believe that such talk by a black man is “talking down” to blacks?

  • Cecilio Mendez

    Bravo, Mr. Goldberg. I had the same though in my mind, but your words spoke of it marvelously. A very sincere tip of my hat to you, sir.

    • plsilverman

      Well-written article from 1967, yes. Really insightful and informative (pause).

  • faxxmaxx

    Bernie, you can’t be that stupid. Obama knows exactly what he’s saying. It’s the plan. Cause hatred and animosity toward the white race. Sharpton and Jackson and Wright and a host of other race batters have been doing it for years. Blame all the ills of blacks on the white man. It’s okay to riot. Blacks are the victims. They’re just innocent pawns of the white world they live in. Blacks don’t want to hear your words, Bernie because then they will have to hear the truth. That’s the last thing they want. Because if they hear the truth, they’ll have to do something about it.

  • Paula

    Wonder why there are no articles on the blatant racial hate crimes against white people by black people? The “concerned” race pimps aren’t talking about “the knock out games” or the “The polar bear hunting games.” And they aren’t really concerning themselves with black on black crime either. Obama started this witch hunt against Zimmerman…he heard that a WHITE man shot and killed a “young innocent black kid”.. he must have had that “thrill up his leg.” Look what obama did in one swoop…. he was losing his black voters, he went for the gun grab, in Trayvon’s name of course and he took our collective minds off of his scandals.
    Obama’s terrible experiences as a young black male…was probably bullsh*t like everything else he says! It wasn’t black people that got him where he is today!
    Anyway, the only ones that are causing racial tension and hatred are the blacks that are yelling that it’s whiteys fault about everything that has or has yet to happen to them.

    • Mary

      Great point, poor victims are the reason we have this inept joker, who never held a real job or even run a coffee shop pretending to run our country , but he had a point, gotta keep them ignorant it means more votes for his horribly sgenda.

      • Paula

        Brooker T. Washington, 1911

        Quote:
        “There is (a) class of colored people who make a
        business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of
        advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. … ”
        Nothing changed in 102 years… well, yes it has, it’s gotten worse and now we elect some of them.

        • plsilverman

          How about this? – slavery and systematic segregation and denial created a Monster which does and did include some people who actually have made careers from it. Guess that alleviates all grievances, huh?

          • Paula

            Enlighten me!

  • Ron Bon Jovi

    Outstanding commentary Mr. Goldberg

  • Stimpy

    For all those blacks who are up in arms over the injustice of the verdict, I have only one thing to say: OJ Simpson.

    • Paula

      If I remember correctly, the black communities, Watts (for one) threatened riots if OJ was convicted.

      • plsilverman

        and that means that African Americans have never been systematically denied justice in this country?

        • Paula

          If you are looking for a fight, you aren’t going to get one, not from me. Know why? I don’t much care for your politics and will not let you engage me in a fight. Because no matter what FACTS I’d throw out at you, you would blame the white race and Conservatives for all the woes of the world. Good… you suffer from ethnomasochim… and I do NOT! Bye bye.

        • Stimpy

          Victims forever … yippeee!

          • plsilverman

            you must be referring to the people who feel the wrong side won the Civil War.

    • Mary

      AMEN!,,,,,

    • plsilverman

      I guess because a high profile murderer got a pass, then there never were and never will be any real grievances by African Americans against this society and its’ institutions? Or do you want to rephrase?

      • Stimpy

        Wow, you read well from the Sharpton hymn book. He couldn’t have said it any better himself. BTW, I don’t recall hordes of conservatives protesting or rioting after the OJ verdict. Here’s a thought for you: as long as you libs and race baiters promote the ‘black man as poor victim’ script they as a social group will never escape the bonds of their self-imposed ghetto mindset … and you certainly aren’t doing them any favors.

  • PoliticsMinistry

    I’m white. When I was around 9-10 years old my mom sent me into the grocery store with a shopping list. I would pull the list out to look at it and then put it back in my pocket. I was followed around the store by the store manager. Eventually he stopped me and asked me what I was putting in my pockets. I told him and he then asked me to let him see. So, I pulled out the list and showed him. He then proceeded to help me finish getting the things on the list. Was he profiling? Probably. Did I punch him in the face? No. Really tired of hearing this lame excuse about profiling. It’s time to move on and realize if you are doing something that appears to be suspicious, someone may take notice.

    • Seattle Sam

      You mean your parents and friends didn’t teach you to punch anyone of authority who challenges you? What a wimp.

      • Paula

        Forgot the community leaders too….they seem to be the first ones to teach hit first and yell racism second.

    • WhiteHunter

      An excellent, “teachable” moment; thank you for sharing it.
      You were obviously a good and well-mannered boy, raised and molded to be so by a good, decent, conscientious mother who took her responsibilities toward you seriously and put her duty to give you a proper upbringing at the top of her list of priorities, where the duties of child-rearing properly belong.
      We need more parents like that today; they should be the expected norm, not the remarkable exception that they’ve become. Raising a child takes maturity, love, and gentle but firm, consistent discipline.
      What could be a more satisfying reward for a parent’s sacrifices than to be able to point to a child who has turned out as well as you have and say, “Yes, I DID build that!” ?

    • George Williams

      Let’s pray that there will be a time when that never happens.

    • plsilverman

      yeah, very suspicious: carrying junk food home from a convenience store. oh, shucks, ya mean the “hoodie”! I’m a 62 year old Caucasian who wears them all the time, all over the place. Gee, I wonder if Mr. Z. would have eyeballed ME?

  • J Salazar

    Open letter to the family of Travon Martin. You suffered a great loss for this I Am deeply sorry! There are those who will use his death for their own selfish agenda. I would ask the family not to allow this to happen. Do not allow them to tarnish Trayvon’ s memory to further there cause. GZ and Travon were both in the wrong place at the wrong time. Both were the victims of circumstance and a horrible event took place. I would ask the family to rise above their sorrow that they may begin to heal from that terrible wound. Forgiveness is what’s needed now. An eye for for eye just causes more blindness. I want to think we are better than that.

    • USMC69

      Your comments are not sympathy. They are full of assumptions that have no place in the truth. Saying they both were in the wrong place at the wrong time is dung. Calling both victims of circumstance is totally more dung. The evidence supported Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense (not stand your ground) established Martin as an aggressor. It also established that Martin wasn’t backing off but clearly pressing his assault on Zimmerman. The only wound received by Martin was the gunshot. Thus, Zimmerman was not even fighting back. If the family wants to truly heal, they need to accept the truth. As long as we choose to believe lies and demand “justice” based on those lies, there can be no healing.

  • Randy Clemens

    Good work, sir. It’s too bad that the black “leaders” in this country aren’t truly leaders. Their goal is to keep the country divided. If there is no racial division, race-arsonists like Jackson & Sharpton would have to get real jobs instead of throwing gasoline on an already raging fire.

    • Paula

      Brooker T. Washington, 1911

      Quote: “There is (a) class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the
      Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of
      advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and
      partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to
      lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. … “

  • joepotato

    Soetorobama is not as good at “race hustling” as the true professionals aka the Justus Brothers… Maybe that’s because the Indonesian Soetorobama lacks the ghetto cred that real American blacks possess. If his book bio was correct BH O’Soebama or whatever his name is, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. No verifiable evidence is available proving “O” is an Art II NBC has ever been presented. Calling him a president is highly offensive to many people, myself included. Other than that, good article Bernie…

  • Iklwa

    If I hear hurried footsteps behind me and I turn around to see what looks like a duck and it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, am I to think it must be a kitty?

    I believe more and more folks are becoming acquainted with Col. Jeff Cooper’s “condition” status and are applying it to their daily lives. Those who are unfamiliar with the color codes should educate themselves:

    Condition White is unaware and unprepared. This is the condition most liberals, youth and the naive maintain their existence in. This is a condition you should try to avoid, as it means you will probably lose every fight. The only time that I’m in condition white is when I’m asleep. And even then, I wouldn’t consider myself unprepared; I’m just unaware.

    Condition Yellow is relaxed alert. Yellow means you are aware of what is happening around you, but you do not perceive a potential threat. Your mindset should be preparedness to defend one’s self should the need arise. Everywhere I go, I’m in Condition Yellow. I keep a pretty good watch on the people around me, and I’m continuously rating each person’s danger level in my mind. This is a state of awareness that takes practice to implement. Making a game of situational awareness is one way to sharpen those skills. Every time you are surprised by someone’s presence, you have failed the test.

    Most liberals, youth and the naïve will refuse to consider this as a mindset.

    Condition Orange means that there is a potential threat that has gotten your attention. This can be almost anything and usually results in nothing, at which time you go back to yellow. Condition Orange basically means that Bulky Coat turns and I spot a firearm. Instantly, I determine what I’m going to do if he reaches for that gun.

    Once again, if liberals, the youth and naïve will not even consider condition yellow, they will never experience condition orange.

    Condition Red means that you are in a lethal mode of mindset and will fight if the circumstances are warranted. In our make-believe scenario, Bulky Coat draws a gun from under his coat. At this point, I implement my action plan that was determined during Condition Orange. This doesn’t always mean fight. If there are too many innocents around or you don’t have the means, your best plan might be to wait and see what happens or even retreat and call the police.

    Zimmerman’s main fault was his inability to shift from orange (assuming he was ever there) to red quickly enough. By the time you are grappling on the ground for a firearm, you are in immediate threat of loosing your life and have given the opponent equal opportunity to deprive you of same.

    He failed to implement a “battle plan” prior to becoming directly involved and was forced into a shooting situation by not being cautious enough in following the suspect too closely. Martin should never have gotten close enough to touch Zimmerman in the first place. Had that safe distance been maintained there is the distinct probability that Martin would still be alive.

    Liberals, youth, the naïve and the terminally unaware progress from condition white straight to panic and as such generally are immobilized when a threat does present itself.

    Consequentially, liberals, youth, the naïve and the terminally unaware make up the bulk of the victims of violence in America.

    • monkdiz

      Well done! Interesting perceptive views.

  • RBlakeH

    Martin Luther King Jr. was a fair man and didn’t blame everything on whites or blacks or hispanics. He called it shot for shot and would be ashamed of what black people are doing today.

  • Dennis Carstens

    I am probably a little cynical when it comes to this president but he has lied to us so much that I find it hard to believe him when he claims that he has experienced the type of racial profiling that he says he has. Maybe these things did happen but with this Chicago Con Man, I can’t help being a little skeptical about any claims he makes.

  • Jairo A Puentes

    Black leaders like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the NAACP are the antithesis of MLK. They want to promote racism because it provides power to represent the black community. They do it for financial reasons and to remain relevant. The facts are the racial discrimination and persecution prevalent sixty years ago is gone. Most younger generations were raised respecting all races. There are more inter racial marriages and blacks in politics and businesses. In fact, there was no possibility for a black to become President of the USA thirty five years ago. Even SCOTUS feels that the country has advanced and we can’t apply the same standards of fifty years ago. The black establishment wants the divisions to continue. They are afraid of losing power if blacks become accepted by all races and no longer have to answer to their black masters.

    • plsilverman

      the facts are that there is still racism in this country, 49 years after the civil rights legislation. you think those Tea Partiers at the Capitol don’t want to end all that legislation plus the Voting Rights Act? and with their media mouthpieces like Limbaugh, Palin, Bachman, Ingraham, Gingrich, and the rest, making racist comments about Obama seemingly on a daily basis, you might want to rethink your post.

  • Peter Max

    Mr. Goldberg, You said it better and more accurately than any other journalist in America! You hit the nail right on the head. White folks arent fools or idiots (except the addled-headed liberals) They KNOW the real reasons for the fact that today America is more divided than in the times of MLK. Race hucksters cant and wont let the race thing go, while denying the much, much bigger problems facing “their” people. That’s what they called themselves, not us. They labeled themselves with a double hyphenated name, not us. They are in denial, not us. And one day the law-abiding citizens of this great country are going to stand up against the freeloaders and racist hucksters and fight back! It’s time to stand up like men and push back at the Al Sharpton gang. And it’s time that real, honorable blacks, (a few mentioned here, like Dr Ben Carson, Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Deneen Borelli and David Webb – all of whom I would gladly want to see in Cabinet posts) should unite with the good hardworking folks of ALL races and put a stop to this nonsense. Good for you Mr Goldberg!)

    • Seattle Sam

      Yes, except that the law-abiding citizens of this great country are not going to be able to overcome the far greater number of victim groups and rent-seekers who want to live parasitically on your production. Detroit is just the canary in the mine.

  • Drew Page

    There have been many opportunities since president Obama took office for him to have made his feelings on race relations known. Why choose the verdict of the Zimmerman at the platform for such expression? Why did he feel it necessary to say that 35 years ago he could have been Trayvon Martin? I suppose he could have said that back in 1860 he could have been Kunta Kinte, from the book Roots. We all could have been someone else in history who was wronged by someone of another race.
    Where are the Martin Luther Kings of today? The race baiters Jackson and Sharpton can’t even come close. That is a real shame because Jesse Jackson was much closer to MLK than most. He could have picked up where MLK left off, but Jesse wanted to be rich and famous and powerful instead of being a force for real change and improvement in black people’s lives. The Black Caucus and the NAACP? They have proven themselves to be ineffectual and irrelevant.

    • Seattle Sam

      Could you name for me the Mexican-American Leaders, Chinese-American Leaders, Japanese-American Leaders, Indian-American Leaders that correspond to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton? I’ll bet you can’t.

  • Trappedincalifornia

    I’m white & have been mugged 3 times, the first 2 times the perpetrators were black, the third time Hispanic. That is my reality and no amount of Social Engineering will change that reality.

    • Seattle Sam

      Good thing you didn’t shoot any of them, but if you ever get mugged by a white person, feel free.

  • Pearl

    I am white and have had numerous negative experiences with black people. I don’t care for them and do not want to live near them. What about my rights? What about my freedom to associate with whom I want to? As far as I’m concerned their rights end where mine begin.

    • Drew Page

      Recently there has been what I consider to be a far more brutal and senseless killing recently committed in Georgia. The victim’s name is Antonio West. He was a thirteen month old white baby. Yes, I said was. He was murdered by two black teens who attempted to rob the baby’s mother. She had no money to give the robbers, so one of them out of frustration, or sheer meanness, shot he baby in the face and then shot the mother twice. The mother survived and told police that she begged the two teens not to hurt her baby and that she had no money with her. All to no avail. Most decent people, regardless of color, would condemn this act of savagery. Yet there has been no TV coverage of this event and no mention in the national news. No politicians speaking out, no calls from the Tea Party to March on the NAACP headquarters and no word from the president, Eric Holder, Rev.’s Jackson or Sharpton. The silence is deafening.

      • Mary

        Deer Bernie. I love you, I absolutely loved ” A Slobbering Love Affair” the lame stream media is half responsible for the continued divisions of our culture, the love affair continues, Unfortunately, keep up your sane and classy great work!
        Ps I’m happily married and I know you are too, Safe Love !,,,,

  • sgtstriker

    Well stated Bernie, and I don’t simply say that because I have been trying to get the same points across via various blogs for a while now. It really is as simple as getting black leaders to tell the truth to their constituents, assemblies, congregations, etc. Stop the blame game, stop the race baiting, and start recognizing and dealing with the true issues of and in the black community.

  • Diane Snow

    i’ve Grown up with African Family members Sure i would agree that obama could of done better i have had the liberty of learning from not only my african father and african mom which i love to this day despite my skin tone.

    i’ve Come along way from allot of personal issues i know would be to much to post here.

    but back to this topic both King and King Jr wer one of my most amazing idols to this day Despite my skin tone i’ve looked at it through their eyes how they see us. and how as you said we are armed and weary of a certain age.

    now the way that i see it is if Obama would listen to make a world wide address to stop Teaching not only the racist remarks and words but to have all parents to treat their kids with love with care and to help them love and respect every one no matter their love their interests.

    i see it as a way to improve not only my life but the lives of our nation and show the world that with all the hatred all the criticism and the negative stuff we moved on and helped and cared for one another when time is at its worse not pick fights over a pair of under wear or a piece of bubble gum or an old issue that Obama seems to keep bringing up. Along with holder being the back up dude scamming us >__<

  • Mike Stokes

    How could anyone blame white people from being cautious around black’s?From what we know about black on black crimes just in Chicago, would cause anyone in a vulnerable position, especially white people to fear. Look, it is primarily blacks who make our streets unsafe. If blacks don’t want to be considered as dangerous then change your behavior.

    • Drew Page

      The problem with some of the comments here is that there are many decent hard working black people who aren’t criminals, or welfare loafers, or dug addicts, drug pushers or thieves. Many black families have both a mother and father who keep their kids in school and teach them how to succeed in life. So when we say “blacks do this”, or “blacks don’t do that”, we are indicting a lot of good decent people and I can’t blame them for getting mad about that. That’s also the problem with the ‘n-word’, it encompasses everyone that’s black, the good, decent people along with the criminals. Chris Rock does a stand up comedy routine that only he could get away with, defining the difference between black people and the n-word type. The routine is funny, but absolutely true.

  • chrismalllory

    There are only two groups in this world who are not racist: “Progressives” and idiot whites who are afraid of being called names. “Racist” is the natural state of all humans. We defend our families, we defend our clans. Race is nothing but extended family and clan.

    • Diane Snow

      While i agree with your point of View and seeing it as a clan that perspective really Diminishes equality that people like my foster mother and father not only being black they also adopted 4 white girls all of us nearly died because of the fact that (they had no right) to get us medical care when they have legal Custody of me and my sisters.

      needless to say its better where all Sides grow a pair of balls Man up and talk about this as Sensible people not use the blame game not use Slavery not use we are better or any of that negative BS Sure i could judge you and attack you cause i was raised by AA but im not going to beucause of the obvious fact that they taught me the very thing Women have been trying to teach you men and the only Two actually caught on from us women which have little recorded history of our deeds because of the (Gender Discrimination laws) n crud before that.

      but MLK MLK Jr all had the right vision Sure they would be scolded hated on but they’d not let the white man get the better of them even i wouldn’t let any AA get the better of me. i lived among african’s i and a few of my sisters wer in a 73% African Community which nearly costed me and my sisters our lives Equality is the only option that is better not clan based or even Family.

      God Created us in his image whether We are white black hispanic Asain chinese japenese w/e we all wer made by him and him alone.

      allot of things tragedies or other gave been happening even if we don’t want them to or try to prevent them its his wishes his reasons for him or her to go up and join them.

      even tho that isn’t the topic at hand but using that as my standing ground Take that for what you will

  • Concerned American

    Bernie, ironically just as politics has made headway in racial equality, politics drags the brake of progress. Your statement “But white racism in 2013 is the least of the problems of Black America.” is really the high road which the President has turned his back on. He has chosen unwisely and sadly squandered the opportunity to be the President America thought it elected. Instead, we have a Chief Executive who is diminished by a lack of political creativity. History will not be kind to Barack Obama.

  • 1940voter

    Another classic example would be DR Ben Carson who is a voice of many in the black community that knows who the muggers, murders are. The liberals lose all power if blacks start to take responsibility for them selves and the scales shift from a welfare state to a productive state. With 48 million on food stamps and the numbers growing the uninformed and ignorant have become more the norm then the opposite.Obama fails in every attempt to lead and knows only stump speeches and fund raising.

    • Drew Page

      He also knows the value of dIvisiveness, pitting one group against another; it’s divide and conquer. AS LONG AS HE CAN KEEP THE PEOPLE FIGHTING WITHE ACH OTHER, NO ONE IS KEEPING AN EYE ON HIM.

  • srn

    As another comment that was made-Bernie-your the only one saying this! Al Sharpton & Smiley do nothing but race bait! I am shocked at the racist comments I have heard from black leaders-and more disbelief that a president for all the people (or so I thought) would say the things he has said! WHY does it always have to be about race-oh-and in case anyone did not notice “Zimmerman” is HISPANIC !!!

  • EddieD_Boston

    If AA men parentèd the kids they father 90% of the problems would go away. Any AA guy I know, or knew growing up, turned out normal if they had a father. Not complicated except to clueless liberals.

    • nickshaw

      I knew a few bad apples that grew up with both parents.

      But those are certainly exceptions we can always find.
      Personally, I grew up with a series of “uncles” and I’m not a criminal.
      Far from it!

  • nickshaw

    Well put, Bernie but, I already know the knee jerk response. In fact, I just heard Alan Colmes say it on Fox. You know nothing of the “black experience”!

    Therefore anything you have to say is said from the position of white privilege and can be summarily ignored.

    It’s simply amazing that black “leaders” like Jackson can say the truth that all black people know, yet, they ignore when a white person says it.

    Skeeter spoke of women clutching their purses and locking their doors?

    Too bad he didn’t include black women in his scenario.

    They clutch harder and lock faster (not to say they don’t do the same when in the proximity of a white yoot but, not as forcefully I reckon!)

    Why do black folks in black neighborhoods always lock their doors (steel doors at that) while white folks in white neighborhoods often leave their doors unlocked? (Even though the latter aren’t really thinking clearly ;-)

    What MLK had to say in 1961 applies, word for word, to today. Absolutely nothing has changed. Well, no, it’s become worse!

    You want to know why?

    Go back even further, to Booker T. Washington in 1911.

    “There is another class of colored people who make a business of
    keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the black race
    before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living
    out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of
    advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly
    because it pays. Some of these people do not want the black to lose his
    grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”

    “I am afraid that there is a certain class of race-problem solvers
    who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease
    holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also
    an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the
    public.”

    Tell me anything has really changed among black “leaders” since then.
    Again, I digress, Black Liberation Theory happened.

    That’s Al Sharpton and his ilk using the cloak of “religion” to stoke “grievances”.
    Just like muslims do.

  • EddieD_Boston

    MLK was educated (Boston University) and earned a doctorate. He received his education before academia was taken over by the looney fringe. In other words, he learned to actually think. Today? Al Sharpton is a fool. Eugene Robinson of the WaPo is out on the looney fringe. Any African-America who can actually think is turned on by the left (see Cosby, Bill) and eventually they learn not to speak up b/c of the negative consequences.

    • nickshaw

      MLK would be treated just like Robinson or Cosby if he said what he said today.

      • SortaBlack

        Absolutely!

      • Bob Hadley

        Poppycock! Rev. Jackson and other black leaders have made similar statements to predominantly black audiences.

    • chrismalllory

      MLK “earned” his doctorate if you consider a plagiarist as earning his grade.

      • Drew Page

        If you have evidence of this, show it. Otherwise apologize for your slander.

  • PaleAle

    I keep waiting for the moment when the current civil rights crowd jumps the shark. Thanks to a complicit MSM, that moment has never come.

  • joer1

    Bernie, watch me genuflect and say Amen! I’m sorry to have to add some thoughts I had when I heard the “First” liar’s Race comments … These “experiences” he had … were they in Hawaii, Indonesia or Kenya? Perhaps, they occurred during his “stay” in Pakistan? Surely, they didn’t happen during his highly successful year at the Occidental College in Liberal La-La land! Maybe, these things happened to him at Columbia or Harvard … not likely. These things he described do happen to a lot of us at street corner stops … and for good reason. Given the Obama “life story”, I doubt they happened to him. He is a LIAR!

    • DonaldYoungsRevenge

      You got that right, Obama is a wanna be negro. He has lied and deceived so many times that there is no sense in counting them anymore. This rant about his “black experience” was nothing but a mouth full of lies as you so well stated. His biggest lie came when he decided he could probably get away with a forged birth certificate given the fact that the media had their heads so far up his butt that their was no possible way for light to shine on the forgery. No one wants to examine his fraudulent selective service registration or the reason his SS# was flagged several times by E-verify. They fear this man. Thank God we have many brave patriots who are not afraid and are bringing the evidence to Washington DC for all to see. I cannot wait for this Fraud in Chief is finally put on display for all the world to see.

      • joepotato

        Well said… saved me the trouble… this time… thanks

    • ZaMan

      You racists call Obama a liar. What about other politicians, liberals and conservatives?

      You know, because black people.

      And guns don’t kill people, hoodies kill people (who are wearing them while black)

      With all of the screeching by Conservatives since Obama addressed the Trayvon Martin killing with sympathy, here is Newt claiming that black gang participation has gone up 40% since Obama became President. accusing Obama of inspiring criminality and violence among black kids, and let’s not

      In the last week Fox news and GOP talking heads sound less like a political party and more like a White Supremacy movement. That’s what happens when you have a sound proof echo chamber of incestuously amplified lies that white people tell other white people, you end up with upside thinking like “Black people are the real racists” the same way you end up with people who genuinely believe ideas like “Obama’s Birth Certificate is fake”. Now, when the same Republicans who think black people are the real racists also think Obama’s birth certificate is fake, what you end up is the average nightly Fox News audience.

      So when 20 schoolkids are gun downed we should do nothing, but Bobby Rush must personally stop all black on black violence before he is allowed to wear a hoodie like any other white person.

      As if black people kill black people all the time, what do you care if a latino guy kills a black guy?

      Seriously.

      The problem for Republicans is that the duckspeak system of coded grunts Frank Luntz and others have crafted to communicate racist dogwhistles to stupid and prejudiced white people still sounds enough like English for the rest of white people like me and other Americans who are fluent in white people to understand. The GOP is getting lazy, instead of inventing more sophisticated dogwhistles they are now forced to spell it out for their increasingly insipid audience of high school civics class failing white people. So here is Newt Gingrich claiming that gangs have grown 40% and are turning to violence because of the President’s election. And by President Newt mean the black President. And by gangs Newt means the Black gangs.

      Now if I was a Republican who is trying to make voting harder for black people I wonder what I would stand to gain by trying to convince all the white people that scary black people inspired by the scary black president dictator is coming for them in hoodies.

      If this is what it takes to get a show on CNN why don’t they just make Ted Nugent their next host.

      slightly more below the fold

      Newt is one of the GOP’s “Ideas” guy, yet his only contribution to any debate over the last few years has been to find new and creative ways to call Obama black. Now he is saying that gang participation has gone up 40% since Obama became President.

      CNN hired THIS guy? The guy who called Obama the “Food Stamp President” How do you pass a law to stop gang violence? You mean a GUN LAW? Or do they mean a law banning black people from gathering in groups larger than two in public? How else do you solve gang violence without passing some kind of gun reform? So yet again the GOP answer is do nothing because they want magical things to happen like ending gun violence without passing any gun laws ever, and they want to blame black people for gun violence while flooding the market with guns, but I digress from my main topic, which is the perpetually smirking rucksack of excrement that is Newt Gingrich.

      • WhiteHunter

        I’m afraid that your shrill name-calling and repeated demands for policies that have already been proved, conclusively, not to deliver the claimed results (like “tougher gun laws” aimed at law-abiding citizens, who, by definition, are not gangbangers or crack dealers or pimps), won’t accomplish any of the results you claim to want.
        Which leads me inevitably to conclude either that (a) peaceful, safe, prosperous neighborhoods and stable familes raising good kids with a bright future ahead of them aren’t what you really want; or that (b) you are so unacquainted with reality, or so deeply in denial about what works and what we know, from experience, DOESN’T work, that your seething anger and fervent commitment to a failed political dogma prevent you from drawing logical, constructive conclusions from well-known facts.
        In either case, I hope you’re not typical of the “community” you claim so passionately to care about. If you are, then there’s even less hope than I’d thought.

        • ZaMan

          As a matter of history, black Americans — at least those who were allowed to vote — were Republicans for decades after the Civil War. But some found Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal attractive, and most found Lyndon Johnson’s support for civil rights irresistible. They left the Republican Party.

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          And they’ve stayed away since the 1960s, alienated by the GOP’s Southern strategy of race-baiting and pandering to the prejudices of right-wing Neanderthals.

          If you wonder why black voters believe the Republican Party trades in the rankest bigotry, look no further than the reaction to the George Zimmerman verdict among conservative commentators. It’s been appalling.

          Let me be clear: It’s perfectly reasonable to believe the Zimmerman jury arrived at the only acceptable verdict. Many analysts, including some black commentators, have stated that the prosecution simply did not prove its case.

          But several conservative pundits have gone well beyond reason, smearing Trayvon Martin, indicting his friends and elevating Zimmerman to sainthood. They’ve shown a callous disregard for the grief that still envelops Martin’s parents. They’ve suggested that whites are more likely to be the victims of discrimination in the criminal justice system than blacks.

          And those commentators, luminaries such as Rush Limbaugh, are widely regarded as leading representatives of the GOP. How could it be otherwise when Republican pols kowtow before them, engage them as campaign surrogates and dare not criticize them?

          Thoughtful Republicans — the moderates and right-leaning modernists who accept diversity — need to convene a meeting to take their party back and restore the brand to its pre-1960s luster. They ought to name their group “Republicans Against Racism.”

          Thoughtful Republicans — the moderates and right-leaning modernists who accept diversity — need to convene a meeting to take their party back.

          They will have to be prepared to call out and criticize the insensitive claptrap and vitriolic nonsense that gets bandied about not only by Limbaugh, but also by other well-known conservative pundits, many of whom have been in the ugly business of dehumanizing and defaming the young Martin since his death drew public attention last year. They have portrayed Martin as a thug, a drug addict, a predator who deserved to die.

          To stick with a prominent example, Limbaugh recently dedicated a show to mocking prosecution witness Rachel Jeantel — whom Martin talked to on his cellphone as Zimmerman followed him. Limbaugh claimed that Martin was a homophobe who “attacked” Zimmerman, believing he was a “pervert.”

          Have there been similarly outrageous comments from talking heads on the left? Of course. The verdict has prompted name-calling, hot-headed denunciations and racial demagoguery from a lot of folk who ought to know better.

          But there is an important difference: There are precious few significant ties between the Democratic Party apparatus and liberal commentators. When voters think of Democratic leaders, they think of President Barack Obama, who has been quite cautious in his response to the Zimmerman verdict, as he usually is on issues of race. Or they think of Attorney General Eric Holder, who has been more voluble, but equally cautious.

          By contrast, a Republican Party in disarray has no clear leaders. After his loss to Obama, Mitt Romney has retired to private life. His running mate, Paul Ryan, has retreated to budget battles. House Speaker John Boehner can barely manage his caucus, much less speak for Republicans on a national stage.

          Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter and others have happily stepped into the void, presenting themselves as senior strategists for the GOP. And party leaders have allowed them to get away with it.

          A few Republicans recognize the problem this poses. MSNBC talk-show host Joe Scarborough, a former GOP congressman, wrote recently that “many conservative commentators were offensive in their reflexive defense of Zimmerman, as well as their efforts to attack the integrity of a dead black teenager.” He concluded that the GOP can’t expect to attract black voters as long as so many of its emissaries are flagrantly and intentionally offensive.

          Scarborough is right. Surely, there are other Republicans who recognize the dangers of having their party represented by loudmouths who trade in racial hostility.

      • joer1

        Wow! You seem full of hate … Don’t know where to begin a response so I won’t. Keep on talking … I’ll keep on reading … that way, I can learn….perhaps I’ll watch more of the brilliance on display on MSNBC.

        • ZaMan

          Pathetic: Racist Right Calls Obama the racist? look in the mirror!
          What is obvious is who the REAL racists are!

          For the president to explain the experience of black males in the calmest of terms is in no way “racist” or “divisive” or harmful to race relations. No, his own mother was white. You want examples of that, Look NO further than the racist right!

          They’ve done everything they can to destroy this man, from calling him a Kenyan without a birth certificate to saying he pals around with terrorists. They say he’s Nixon. They say he’s Bush. They label every weather pattern Obama’s Katrina. They scream and holler about his racism. They jump up and down accusing him of being worse than anyone ever even Hitler!!!!!! They accuse him of trying to kill Sarah Palin’s baby. They whine about whether or not he should be allowed to speak about his childhood, since his being black is so “divisive”. They call him a murderer over an array of issues.

          No matter what Obama does, those who hate him will find fault. This writer may have a tale of her own to tell about how women were poorly treated, but she seems unwilling to respect the president when he tells his honest and true tale.

          Race relations are poor because a segment of white America that had been relegated to the proverbial attic with the crazy uncle came out of the woodwork the second a black man was elected president. I knew race relations would be tanked. If it has, it’s because of folks who can’t stand that a black man is in the White House, and behave badly.

          I was right! Hatred for Obama stems from ONE elements. Racism!

  • Buzg

    “There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.” — Booker T. Washington in his 1911 book, My Larger Education

    NUF SED

  • jones

    Bernie,
    Obama would do well to have you as an advisor and pay attention to your advice. in the end he would be a much more effective president.

    • nickshaw

      Stop your foolish talk! Skeeter only hires people who agree with him! ;-)

  • PaleAle

    The civil rights movement in this country has followed much the same path as talk TV. In the early days, Phil Donahue & Oprah dominated the airwaves with thoughtful discussions of various issues. They were followed by the Geraldos & Jerry Springers of the world with the daily “who’s your daddy” trash. Ben Jealous, Tavis Smiley, Jessie & Al represent the Jerry Springers of the civil rights movement, as we know it today.

    • nickshaw

      Or the people Booker T. Washington was talking about in 1911, PA.

  • ted

    Why does the media encourage the racial divide? It is a question I can’t answer. I understand the corrupt Not-so-Sharptons, Jacksons, Jealouses; I understand Decocrats, since it elects them; I understand entertainers, since it is trendy and popular, and most are mindless entertainers; I understand the entertainment industry, since it sells. I understand teachers….well maybe I don’t get this since most are at least of average intelligence.
    I understand Obama’s response, since he is shallow and not very intellectually curious.
    I don’t understand the media nor do I understand why most people with black noses keep voting for the Democrats that keep them down.

    • nickshaw

      I can answer for you.

      It’s because they are on a “mission from God”.

      And the god is political correctness.

      They have been conditioned to believe blacks are all Everett Tills, that they are always victims while they refuse to look at facts.

      Look at Bob Beckel on Fox. He is adamant that Zimmerman had to be the aggressor because Martin was black yet, he was there to hear MLK’s words and they bounced right off him!

      When they are faced with those facts, they blame it on poverty.

      Oh, they might give a nod to fatherlessness but, not much.

      They cannot recognize there is an inherent tendency to violence among blacks that, even though it is present in all races, they cannot control.

      They do not have self discipline. (I’m generalizing now! It doesn’t apply to all blacks!). And they are easily swayed by peer pressure.

      Look at gang membership, look at voting patterns, look at Africa.

      People on both sides of this racial divide have to start speaking plainly despite being called racists and worse or nothing will ever change and a race war will come. Sooner or later.

    • Drew Page

      Controversy sells newspapers and brings ratings for TV programs. The bigger the controversy, the more people watch and take sides, thus increasing the controversy and the number of people watching. As the audience grows so to does the revenue taken in by the media from their advertisers. Joel Grey sang it best in Cabaret — Money makes the world go ’round.

    • EddieD_Boston

      Because they’re idiots.

    • Montana Made

      Because it’s profitable! Division and sensationalism sells stories. When everyone gets along or agrees- in means its a boring day in the neighborhood. Nothing sells if nothing is happening. Cases like the TM/GZ case sell! The papers and media outlets PRAY daily for things like this. They feed on it and sell it, AND are complicit in making it worse for everyone- all just to make a buck…

      Yes, they ARE that pathetic…

  • Anonymous

    Once again, you are spot-on in today’s column. In addition to Dr. King’s straight talk, Bill Cosby was put down a lot by his fellow African-Americans for speaking the truth. Taking responsibility for oneself. Cosby blazed trails through hard work and talent to get to where he was in the mid 1960s ( a leading role in “I Spy”) to where he is today. Nothing was handed to Bill. Dr. King’s dream to see people of all colors live and work together in harmony and peace has been interrupted by a couple of followers who are doing the opposite of what MLK preached. They have the title of “Reverend” before their given names. Yet, they
    continually seek to divide the races instead of using their clergy pulpits to make Dr. King’s dream a reality. As a white man who was very fond in Dr. King and his mission from God as a middle school student back then, it’s 2013 and racism still exists on all sides. Nearly 50 years after LBJ (reluctantly) signed the Civil Rights Bill into Law. Who, today, on a national scale, is preaching peace and harmony among all God’s peoples? To heal and unite all men and women in the USA? Only those seeking division among all races and creeds. THEY get the national spotlight while other peacemakers, with the exception of Pope Francis, are ignored by the media.

  • Curt Parker

    A 2007 special report released by the Bureau of Justice Statistics,
    reveals that approximately 8,000 — and, in certain years, as many as
    9,000 African Americans are murdered annually in the United States. This
    chilling figure is accompanied by another equally sobering fact, that
    93% of these murders are in fact perpetrated by other blacks. The
    analysis, supported by FBI records, finds that in 2005 alone, for
    example, African Americans accounted for 49% of all homicide victims in
    the US — again, almost exclusively at the hands of other African
    Americans.

    • nickshaw

      Even though they know this, Curt, it’s easier to blame whitey.
      That way they can avoid responsibility.

      • Curt Parker

        Precisely! And they get to keep making money race baiting.

        • nickshaw

          Not just the money. Have you had a look at the new trim on Sharpton’s arm?
          That’s what hate mongering can get you too! ;-)

  • Mike

    Bernie, if POTUS said what you suggested, it would cause his side to lose their support and support = votes.

  • Montana Made

    MLK jr was SOOOO much intuitive & smarter than Obama ever thought of being!! Back in ’61 King was talking about facing the problem and fixing it- and now? The popular solution is to blame whites for being racists, even though the numbers are still the same (or worse in some places) and numbers do not lie!

    We have covered a lot of ground, just to end up back in 1961 again…

  • Scott

    No one but you is saying this. You’re right, it’s not racism, It’s reality!

  • WhiteHunter

    It’s not the blackness; it’s the reality, expressed in the menacing “attitude”: the feral sneer; the “pimp roll” walk; the hoodie; the loose, baggy pants hanging down around the knees; the tatoos; the $300 sneakers; the insolent, obscene, ghetto gangbanger jargon; all of which send a message, “I dare you, you racist!”

    People dress not to please themselves; they dress to send a message: “This is who I am.” In the case of a punk, the message is: “I’m dangerous. Don’t f*ck with me or I’ll hurt you. Maybe kill you, if I think you diss me.”

    NOBODY feels threatened by a Dr. Sowell or a Col. West or a Bill Cosby. Or by any black businessman or even teenager whose dress and behavior send the message, “I’m a businessman (or an honest working man, or a good kid).”

    The problem isn’t “white racism.” It’s the rearing of young males in single-parent homes, with no father around to set firm rules, enforce them withhold privileges. How many of these unmarried mothers can pass the ultimate, terrifying sentence when there’s a note from the teacher of a failing or misbehaving “youth”: “Go to your room and wait till your father gets home!” In fact, I’m not sure whether ANY kid, black or white, ever hears those dreaded words anymore.

    Or, “Young man, there’s no way you’re going to leave the house looking like that. Now go back to your room and dress yourself properly, instead of like a punk!” Or, “Young lady, you look like a whore. Now take that hooker outfit off and dress yourself like a lady!”

    And, most of all, they need to be taught, from the beginning, that a punch to the face is NOT an acceptable response to a question.

    Trayvon Martin’s mother has publicly behaved with immense grace and dignity; his brother seems like a young gentleman; his father seems like a decent man, too. Something obviously went wrong with Trayvon along the way. What happened to him in the end was the predictable result of what he became and what he did, not the cause.

    • ted

      True. Well thought and written.

  • FloridaJim

    At what point in Obama’s careful life was he ever under the scrutiny of any threaterniing white person? He was raised by whites, his father abandoned him as many black father’s do, he was given Marxist thought by several during his life, he was in a secure Hawaiain school, he was taught how to be black in Chicago by Jones, Jackson and Farrakhan Obama is as far from Trayvon as can be. Obama used Trayvon during the 2012 election he is using him now for 2014 and 2016 it is all a distraction to keep the people from learning what a failed President Obama is.

  • Ron Fritzemeier

    Bernie, thanks for a great piece … Any chance you could get the POTUS to follow this lead? Now THAT is something I would love to thank this President for doing!

  • davegorak

    Mr. Goldberg: What you neglected to address here is an immigration policy that has contributed mightily to black unemployment during the past 30 years. They have been hit the hardest by the unending wave of foreign workers, especially the 11 million illegal aliens currently living here. As written, the Senate amnesty bill that passed last month would double legal immigration levels to 2 million people and in just the first 10 years add 33 million foreign workers to a dismal job market. Given the nation’s horrible economy, why are we allowing 7 million illegals to keep their jobs in construction, manufacturing, transportation and services when 20 million Americans can’t find full-time work? There is absolutely no way that anyone can defend allowing this to continue.

    Dave Gorak
    Midwest Coalition to Reduce Immigration
    La Valle, Wis.

    • Seattle Sam

      “20 million Americans CAN’T find full-time work?” Have you noticed that farmers are having a difficult time finding people to harvest crops? Have you noticed hiring signs up in quick service restaurants everywhere? There are jobs, but they are unpleasant jobs at low pay. On the other hand there are food stamps, rent subsidies, unemployment payments and numerous other welfare payments that Americans can get for NOT working. When you make it more attractive to NOT work than to work, you WILL get millions of Americans who “can’t” find work.

      • davegorak

        If you think you will live to see the day when big government’s “safety net” that encourages people not to work, forget it. Too many Americans want to be hand-held from cradle to grave. But in general I’m not buying your argument because the majority of the jobs I mentioned are already being done by our citizens. The fact is that wages have been depressed by years of high immigration and that has nothing to do with your argument. And guess what? If it is allowed to continue it will only get worse for future generations. Our government has refused to enforce those laws designed to protect American workers because of the business community’s unending assault against a living wages. A long line of Congresses have been in bed with Corporate America and their “love child” is low wages. That didn’t happen by accident.

        • nickshaw

          People complain about the stagnation of wages (while excoriating the increasing wages of executives)
          There’s a reason for the stagnation.
          The 1986 amnesty (and illegal immigration policy since).
          The lower rungs of the employment pay scale will always stagnate if you introduce more competition.
          We would see the same thing at the top if executives had to compete with illegal immigrants.
          Liberals refuse to acknowledge this because, in reality, it’s their ideology that caused it.

    • floridahank

      Put the blame where it belongs — on politicians who are reelected for decades and do almost nothing worthwhile except promote projects for their own state. They are less than worthless, they are dangerous to the continuation of a United States of America — they should all be ashamed of their records. Also the law makers — they too are somewhere between stupid and greedy and will do anything to protect their own kind. When was the last time any big shot went to jail because of their dealings with banks, mortgages, stocks, inside trading, passing drug laws that ended up killing thousands of people when the drug studies were reexamined. Our nation is on the verge of total corruption — and it points at the politicians, and officials in charge of our too numerous agencies and worthless project administrators. We need a total cleansings from top to bottom and close down many worthless agencies.

      • davegorak

        Yes, but why do politicians do what they do? It’s because they know that too many Americans just don’t care. It’s been said that democracy is not a spectator sport, but when you ask people who constantly whine about “those crooks” in Washington to become more vocal, they come up with any number of excuses for not being able to convey their concerns to the people who were elected to “represent” them. These people are too busy with reality TV or who’s going to make the cut on “Dancing With the Stars,” “American Idol,” etc., etc.

        • floridahank

          Hey dave …. I agree that it stems from a form or ignorance, stupidity, self-centeredness, and perhaps a low IQ in many instances. We’ve been indoctrinated with responding with emotion rather than rationality….watching and being involved with electronic “toys” instead of cultivating a relationship of challenging ideas…. depending on visual instead of written sources… when was the last time any of them went to the library…. years ago?
          Our public education system is destroying our ability to think of complex ideas and make rational judgments. Also our spiritual life has been outlawed. Mention the Founding Fathers and the liberals go ballistic. I think deep inside most liberals and left-wingers are very paranoid and very racially biased to the point where they can’t call a black man “black” but only African-American, whereas when the refer to people like you, they call us “white” — how is the not being a racist?

    • flyovercindy

      Mr. Gorak, I totally agree with your points on immigration. The lax enforcement of EXISTING immigration laws and the political correctness of “accepting” these poor-people-just-looking-for-a-better-life being shoved at us is responsible in part for MANY problems in America today.

      However, I believe that Mr. Goldberg did not address it because the problem we are talking about here is why there is a race-relation problem. Yes, there is an availability of jobs issue, but larger in this particular debate is an attitude, truth and personal responsibility issue.

      There is an urgent need to address illegal immigration, but I believe inserting it into this debate is merely adding another excuse to apologist proponents for Black Discrimination. I may get into trouble for saying that, but I sincerely would like to see TRUTH from both sides in this race debate.

      • davegorak

        “Yes, there is an availability of jobs issue, but larger in this particular debate is an attitude, truth and personal responsibility issue.”

        I can’t argue with your statement here, but the fact remains that if people are going to change their attitudes they must have reasons to feel good about themselves. After all the gains blacks made following the Civil Rights Act of 1964, they now find themselves being pushed by their own government back to the back of the political, economic and social bus and made the second largest minority in their own country. They have been sold out by their own leaders who think there is a black/brown “alliance.” Nothing could be further from the truth. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the NAACP and Congressional Black Caucus, et al, all share the responsibility in this betrayal.

  • Rusty Vllk

    Trayvon Martin got on a bus and smacked the bus driver in the face because the driver wouldn’t allow him a free ride….all 6’2…175 pounds ….not the 12 year old we saw pictured all over the country……would Obama have done that?…..Did Obama get caught in school with jewelry and a screwdriver that he “found” in the street?…….Enough already…!!!! Obama is making things worse.

    • JoycefromTexas

      President Treyvon obama was a punk 35 years ago just like Martin was, He smoked pot just like Martin did, that is why he can identify with Martin, It’s like Col, West said,, people weren’t afraid of him when he was in an elevator as a young man,, :)

      • nickshaw

        Smoking weed doesn’t necessarily make one a punk.
        Both had a lot more evidence that they were punks than smoking.
        Skeeter wasn’t shy of “splitting a lip or driving in a gin induced haze”.

    • nickshaw

      Though I agree with you, Rusty, don’t overstate Martin’s size.
      That’s what they do to mislead us.
      He was big enough.

  • JohnHD

    Right on Bernie, Unfortunately the race baiters and the left will never suscribe to this. They need this malcontent to achieve the voter majority that give them the power to do whatever they choose to do, regardless of the effect it has on the general population. (Prime example, Obamacare) The left, and this includes the maib stream media, are the masters of subterfuge and hypocrisy. And, this will never change unless decent people are elected to public office. This of course eliminates the majority of (Power hungry) democrats.

    • 4deuce

      The race baiters and the left will never suscribe to this (Goldberg’s premise) because they do not have to. They are aided and enabled by a national news media that does its collective best to propagandize the “call me victim” claims of the race baiters. Al Sharpton is no more a reverend than I am an astronaut. Yet every interview on TV introduces him using that bogus title. Why would the excuse makers and race baiters ever change their ways when they are so aptly rewarded by this great societal con job? I am so sick of liberals, especially black ones, pontificating in front of TV cameras and saying America needs a dialogue on race. Yet when white America tries to speak truthfully about their thoughts, they are answered by claims of white racism as a root of their concerns and the press gives broad coverage to the racist claims hurled at those trying to speak honestly. With so many in our population more concerned about who will survive this weeks American Idol cut than the effects of a fully implemented ObamaCare, without a less biased national news media, America has bleak times awaiting it.

  • Rosemary Butzer

    Clear, insightful as always.

  • Seattle Sam

    Why is it that when there is a crime, we assume it was a man, not a woman? Why is that? Isn’t it sexism to profile men? Why is it okay to allow empirical experience with gender to influence our behavior, but not allow empirical experience with race to influence our behavior?

  • Mike C.

    Jurors have to be the least intelligent people on earth.
    They refer to Zimmerman as GEORGE.
    They refer to black people as THEY.
    The facts do not matter. The jury does.

    • PaleAle

      And you’re the smartest guy in the room, right? Did I get that straight?

  • grebel

    Bernie, one of the best I’ve read from you, well said buddy!

  • rbblum

    It would be most revealing IF Obama were to clarify whether he considers himself to be an African-American . . . . or, simply as an AMERICAN.

  • Mike C.

    I’m a 72 year old white guy and I would have found Zimmerman GUILTY as a juror. He profiled a black boy in a hoody. he ignored instructions not to follow him. He shot to kill instead of to wound. He was an out of shape cop wannabee

    with a gun. He precipitated the incident and picked on the WRONG person. And where are the police who authorized Zimmerman? Silent. Great column

    Bernie.

    • Seattle Sam

      Then you are a 72 year old white guy who would ignore the law concerning self-defense.

    • n2sooners

      If you had been in the jury you would know most of what you think you know is wrong. He didn’t profile him because he was black but because he was acting suspicious. When asked if he was following him he said yes, the operator said we don’t need you to do that, and then he said okay and stopped following. At that point he lost track of Martin. He wasn’t out of shape. He had been going to a gym and lost a lot of weight. He and Martin weighed about the same. Martin was the one who went back and instigated the fight, and while laying on his back being beat upon Zimmerman fired in self defense.

      BTW, you NEVER fire to wound. If you don’t feel threatened enough to shoot to kill then you shouldn’t shoot at all.

    • USA Rocks

      Let me pound your head into the concrete and let’s see how able you are to choose where to shoot me and/or whether you want to just wound me or kill me.

      And if you were on a jury with that mindset, I would push for a mistrial

    • JmThms

      I hate to be rude 72 year old white guy, but you have got to be stupid. The ‘instructions’ were not orders from a law enforcement official, and the dispatcher also said to ‘keep an eye’ on the suspect, which Zimmerman did. As far as ‘profiling’ the ‘black boy in a hoody’, so what. If the ‘black boy in a hoody’ had nothing to worry about, then he would have had nothing to worry about. The problem with ‘profiling’ is not that people – white people and others – do it, it is that the black community does nothing about the root causes of black crime by ‘black boys in hoodys’. Zimmerman had the right to shoot to kill. Whether or not Zimmerman was a ‘out of shape cop wannabee’ is irrelevant. In actuality, Martin probably precipitated the incident by being a thug and busting Zimmerman upside the nose and then furthering the assault and battery. Zimmerman was merely doing his job by being vigilant and keeping an eye on the thug. Great contribution 72 year old white guy. Any more like that and you just might succeed in dumbing down our culture even more.

      • Brian_Bayless

        How was Martin a thug? Zimmerman is the one who had a record?

    • DanB_Tiffin

      You do not care about the mountains of evidence, exhibits, and testimony that was available before, after, and during the trial, do you? Just repeat the same old liberal lies from the Hate Zimmerman pages.

  • Jackryanvb

    CNN is still featuring lying propaganda that Trayvon was an innocent child murdered by evil White racism. The facts of the case are completely ignored as are the shootings, murders of young Black people in my city of Chicago. 6 Black Chicagoans were murdered over this week end.

    My politics are a mix of Left to right. I’m against foreign wars for foreign interests, support American workers over selfish corporate interests, I don’t own a car, I recycle. I generally try to help poor people, including my Black African American neighbors. But, the bias in the mainstream media (CNN, MSNBC) on the issue of crime and race is too much.

    Al Sharpton, Joe Scarborough, Chris Mathews etc they always lie on issues of crime and race.

  • Jen

    Bernie, this is the best piece I have read about the case. Well done!

  • Wheels55

    Obama does not talk like that because he would get fewer votes, just like Jackson and Sharpton rarely talk like that because they would get less money.

  • David Isler

    So simplistic. And, I’m not sure slavery was mentioned once, invalidating the rest.

  • Bob Hadley

    “… young black men commit a disproportionate amount of crime in this country.”

    But what proportion of young black men commit crimes? Why didn’t you raise this issue? Shouldn’t it be balanced against your stat? Yes, there’s sometimes a fuzzy line between intelligent generalization and prejudice. You can even argue that prejudice is sometimes intelligent. But you need to start with a more complete picture. Maybe some blacks pre-judge the Trayvon Martin tragedy as stemming from racial profiling in reaction to being pre-judged because they’re black.

    When Pres. Obama made his remarks, he was explaining why blacks might see this as a racial matter. He was obviously directing his remarks to a predominantly non-black audience. In a sense, he was presenting the flip-side to what you present above. And, remember, Pres. Obama’s complete remarks somewhat tempered these black experiences and placed them in context.

    Your quote from Martin Luther King Jr. was, at your own admission, to a predominantly black audience. Do you know of any similar exhortations he made to predominantly non-black or white audiences. I don’t.

    And guess what? Rev. Jesse Jackson makes similar exhortations when speaking to pre-dominantly black audiences. As just one example, he tells black prisoners that they are in prison due to their own failings. Does “Put hope in your brains, not dope in your veins” sound familiar? I’ve heard that other black leaders do the same with predominantly black audiences.

    Years ago, I saw a tape of a debate between William F. Buckley Jr. and Rev. Jackson that occurred in the 1970s. As I recall, the audience was predominantly black. During the question and answer period, both were asked to give advice to young black kids. Rev. Jackson said that young blacks must study hard, develop their abilities and skills, listen to their parents, and get involved in their churches and communities. He went on for some time about this. There was no talk of prejudice or injustice. When it was Buckley’s turn to answer, he merely said something to the effect of , “I can’t improve on Rev. Jackson’s response.”

    • ph16

      And yet we heard again from Jesse Jackson’s biggest defender. I bet he’d defend how Jesse Jackson is a shakedown artist. No one’s fooled Bob, you’re a liberal. I’d brand it on your forehead if I could as I would all liberals and I would brand the RINO label on Republicans In Name Only.

      • Bob Hadley

        Rev. Jackson has done a lot of good, particularly in the black community. You’ll never know it if all you heed is Fox News and right wing blogs.

        How would you like to be judged solely on the stupid and defamatory things you’ve said on this website?

        • ph16

          Um, what good has Jesse Jackson done for the black community? I really mean it, name one thing that he has done for the black community? If you ask me, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were the ones who tainted the Civil Rights Movement with Beltway moves.

          • Bob Hadley

            Rev. Jackson has ministered to families and individuals in the black community in their time of need or crises. He has helped them to address and to overcome their problems.

            He has also served as an inspirational speaker and as a positive role model to the black community. Yes, he has done some regrettable things, but over-all he has served as a positive example to many.

            I know people on Fox News and others on the right like to demonize him. Again, he’s not a complete paragon of virtue like you and other of his right-wing agonists, but he does a lot of good that he doesn’t honk his horn about.

  • Bob Bernet

    I wonder if Eric Holder would be willing to discuss these facts in his call for a real dialogue on racism in this country? Unfortunately, I’m not very optimistic about that. Bernie, please don’t let up. We’ve got to continue drumming the facts in order to reach a solution.

    • Jackryanvb

      Eric Holder is not going to conduct any fair dialogue on race. He meets regularly with Al Sharpton. Holder authorized tax payer funding for Trayvon Martin rent a mob.

  • smorkingapple

    Fair article and I’m a liberal. However this is just egregious:” White racism is the least of the problems facing black America”. This is like saying that cancer is the least of the problems facing a patient in remission from cancer. Many of the statistics Goldberg cites here are the DIRECT RESULT of centuries of oppressive policies designed to prevent generational wealth transfer, fostering strong family structures, etc. That just cannot be wished away folks. I’ll agree the Black community needs to focus inwards WAAY more than it does today, but that doesn’t give the White community a free pass to just enjoy the benefits of those racist policies and wash their hands of history. If we could get both sides to give in those two areas we would see MASSIVE progress in race relations in the USA. Here’s hoping.

    • ph16

      “Many of the statistics Goldberg cites here are the DIRECT RESULT of
      centuries of oppressive policies designed to prevent generational wealth
      transfer, fostering strong family structures, etc”

      Are you sure it’s not a result of the Great Society programs that make it too easy women to have babies without a husband and end up on welfare? In other words, does it tie back to slavery or just to 40 years ago to the Welfare State?

      • smorkingapple

        You’re right because the black community was in such great shape pre-Great Society programs. It had to be those damn liberals who messed it up. Blacks were doing just dandy less than a century after the Civil War ended, why did we mess with a good thing? Let’s ignore what was happening in the South during the Great Society era, the fact that schools were still segregated until the 1950′s and no large effort made to help correct the wrongs of the past until the 1960′s. None of that matters or has any impact on the state of black society today. What could I have been thinking?

        • ph16

          Well they weren’t obviously were doing the best, but consider this: Back in the time of segregation, only 19% of black children were born out of wedlock, now it’s 70%. Can’t exactly tie that back to slavery if it got worse after the 1950s and 60s.

      • smorkingapple

        I’d like to also mention it’s not easy to wind up on welfare anymore. Your welfare mother strawman died with Reagan bro. Let it go, it’s 30 years later.

        • ph16

          Oh yeah, well it’s not exactly the most difficult thing in the world, boy!

          • smorkingapple

            But yeah, believe the stereotype of young Black women looking to get pregnant with 5 children, just to collect welfare. By the way, whites are just behind blacks and ahead of Hispanics in terms of % of welfare recipients. Many of those have children as well and collect welfare. But let’s not let facts get in the way of stereotypes!!

          • ph16

            I don’t believe that young black women are looking to get pregnant with 5 children, I think they get caught in a trap that makes it easy to have children of any amount that they can’t take care of and doesn’t encourage the father to stick around. Also, while you are absolutely correct that whites are just behind blacks in welfare collection, consider that blacks make up about 12.6% of the population while whites make up 72.4%, so proportionally many blacks are collecting welfare (not that it’s automatically a bad reflection on their character, but it can be very damaging).

  • Mark

    Excellent analysis, hope Obama reads it!

  • chevron1144

    Because this is such a fony one sided argument it will become a non-issue very quickly in same way that sequester died on the vine. Don’t forget Saul Alinsky’s Rules for radicals.
    RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)

  • emsinmd

    Well said, Bernie. It’s a reasonable perspective and facts are present to back it up. Now, how do we get the people who NEED to read and discuss it to do so?

  • bobcumbers

    Goldberg, you speak the truth, however there will probably be a cacophony of voices with feedback trying to drown you out.

  • chevron1144

    So The POTUS is willing to lecture the mostly white, White House Press Corp and mostly white, population of the U.S. about its moral judgements but not hold the black community accountable for it’s moral judgements. Isn’t that precious?

    • lmw

      I agree with your assessment and how lacking in leadership Obama is.
      He could have inspired the black population who gave him 98% of the vote. He has done NOTHING for them or the miserable inner city lives they lead. In addition, he disrespects an all woman jury and implies they got it wrong. There has been no mention of disparaging the all female jury. What America needs to know is Obama never has cared and never will. He does not really wanted to be associated with the black community or the white community. 3 years can’t come soon enough.