Zimmerman is Not Guilty — What About the Media?

Not GuiltyThere are certain things polite people are not supposed to say out loud, and certainly not in public.  I thought of this while listening to what passes for television analysis after the George Zimmerman verdict came in.

First, let’s acknowledge that Trayvon Martin’s death is a tragedy.  I’ll go so far as to say it was a tragedy that should never have happened.  I think George Zimmerman, the “wannabe cop,” was too vigilant that night.

I also think George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin – and profiled him because he was a young black man in a predominantly white neighborhood.  But what polite people don’t do in public is talk about why George Zimmerman was suspicious of 17-year old Trayvon Martin.

The morning after the verdict came in, Ben Jealous, who heads the NAACP, told Bob Schieffer on Face the Nation that, “Too many people in our country use color as grounds for suspicion.”

He’s right.  But what he didn’t get into is that they do it for a reason.  And Bob Schieffer, a white man from Texas, wasn’t about to press the head of the NAACP about why skin color might be grounds for suspicion.

The sad fact is that while African Americans make up only about 12 or 13 percent of the population, and young black men considerably less than that, they commit a disproportionate amount of crime.  This is no secret.  Everybody knows it’s true, even anchormen and other white liberals.  So when Zimmerman saw this black kid in his mostly white, gated community, he did some quick, reflexive calculations — and thought the boy might be up to no good.  Yes, he did use color as a ground for suspicion.

That doesn’t make Trayvon Martin a criminal, of course, but it also doesn’t make George Zimmerman a racist.  He had the same thoughts about Trayvon Martin that most of us would have had, whether we admit it or not.

If I were black I wouldn’t like this stereotyping.  I’d say Trayvon Martin had as much right to be inside the gates of that community as George Zimmerman did.  He shouldn’t have been looked upon as a potential criminal.

But he was looked upon with suspicion because, as painful as it is to acknowledge, he looked like too many other black kids in hoodies who do bad things.  Black people know this better than anyone else. They’re the victims of most black crime. Remember what Jesse Jackson said several years back.  “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.” Does that make the Reverend Jackson a racist – or a realist?

Television host Tavis Smiley, who also is black, was also on television Sunday morning.  He told George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s This Week,  “For many Americans [the verdict] is another piece of evidence of the incontrovertible contempt that this nation often shows and displays for black men.”

Stephanopoulos, being a polite white liberal man, of course didn’t say, “Black men are doing a pretty good job of showing incontrovertible contempt for each other in our nation.  Have you checked the crime statistics for Chicago on any given weekend? The Ku Klux Klan isn’t killing those young black men.  Black thugs are.”

So-called civil rights leaders, like Al Sharpton, painted a picture of a black teenager walking home and being attacked by a white vigilante for absolutely no reason except that the boy was black – and, of course, because the shooter was sort of white.  If Sharpton and the others talked about the fight that immediately led up to the shooting, I missed it.  Instead, they preferred to peddle a fairy tale version of what happened.  They left out the ugly stuff – that there was plenty of reason to believe Trayvon Martin was on top of George Zimmerman pummeling his head into the concrete sidewalk right before Zimmerman fired his gun.  And, of course, none of the mostly white, mostly liberal anchors, said, “Hold on, you’re leaving something very important out of your story.”

This is what is known as showing good racial manners.  It’s how white people behave to show that they’re not bigots like all those other white people.  Never mind that treating black people like delicate flowers is a kind of soft bigotry all by itself.  All that matters is that white people – white liberals, mostly – feel better … about themselves.

Another recurring theme coming from liberal analysts, black and white, after the verdict was that in America we don’t put the same value on black lives as we do on white lives.  That’s certainly true when it comes to the liberal media.

Every weekend in big cities across America numerous black kids shoot and often kill each other.  None of these stories get very much national media attention and none of them get wall-to-wall TV coverage the way the Zimmerman trial did.  Is this because liberal white journalists don’t put the same value on black lives as they do on white lives?  It sure looks that way.

Let’s end by stating the obvious:  The single biggest reason the trial got so much attention is because it played into a narrative, a false one to be sure, but one that many blacks and many white liberals love to perpetuate.  It’s the Great American Drama about how white people get away with not only oppressing black people, but even get away with killing them.  Isn’t that what Tavis Smiley meant when he said, ““For many Americans [the verdict] is another piece of evidence of the incontrovertible contempt that this nation often shows and displays for black men.”

Someone needs to tell Mr. Smiley, the Reverend Sharpton, the civil rights establishment and white liberals both in and out of the media that we are no longer living in 1955 Mississippi. If there is a crime involving two races today, the victim is most likely going to be white and the criminal is most likely going to be black – not the other way around.  That may be one more thing polite people aren’t supposed to say out loud – and certainly not in public.

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  • GailWehling

    I think regardless of what had happened days before, the only important thing was George got jumped by Trayvon, Trayvon knew Marshall arts and got George onto the ground. Trayvon did not realize George has a conceal and carry weapon on him. If it had been me getting my head crashed on concrete, I would have tried for my gun to kill rather than be killed. It had nothing to do with race, but had everything to do with survival. It killed Trayvon and ruined Georges life, LOVELY!

  • Mike Stokes

    Thank you Bernard for saying what needs to be said. Why on earth is this never acknowledged by black leaders. What do they hope to gain?

  • plsilverman

    yes, because our new enlightened country did behave like barbarians until about 1964 then we should take everything with a grain of salt. .look at the crusades…we ain’t so bad,

  • Joel Wischkaemper

    I don’t believe your personal anecdotes. Your history is also wrong.

  • Joel Wischkaemper

    The morning after the verdict came in, Ben Jealous, who heads the NAACP, told Bob Schieffer on Face the Nation that, “Too many people in our country use color as grounds for suspicion.”

    ———————————-
    And I would be surprised if Schiefer knows, or Ben Jealous knows, or would ever point out, that the African American Community is extraordinarily violent. And, it is very correct that in his mansion on a hill, he just doesn’t deal with that everyday violence we deal with in our every day world.
    The press was pretty crummy in this thing. They will be again, and a lot of traditional magazines may well bite the bullet as they continue to abuse one side or the other. I hope they they bite the bullet.

  • AgentofACORN

    A good article except for one thing: If Zimmerman had stayed in his car, he never would have gotten into a fight with Trayvon.
    And no one is advocating treating black folks as delicate flowers. Just treat them as human beings.

    • Joel Wischkaemper

      The suggestion is.. we do not treat them as humans. But we do, and when you suggest we do not, you need to put the poof up on the wall for all to see.

      We catch.. in the commission of a crime.. with weapons.. African Americans who contribute to the extraordinary crime rate of the African Americans in their community, and in their area. Narcotics are the bane of the Black Community. All communities indeed, but the Black Community more than others. Black members of the Black Community want their neighborhoods carefully watched, but this isn’t the time that it could be done. And that time may never come if you look carefully at the economic page. And so, the police cannot protect us in our gated communities, and the police cannot protect us in our homes. What exactly folks, are we going to do?

  • Strudelhouse

    I concur.

    Everyone is so focused on the past, and usually America’s past as that. We’re not even 300 years old yet, and we’re one of the most hated countries because of our ‘past’.

    If we focused on every country’s ‘past’, I’m sure England would be somewhere near the top with their 1,000+ year old history.

    • Joel Wischkaemper

      and we’re one of the most hated countries because of our ‘past’.

      ————————-
      And it is a very bogus past indeed. And the European Academics do a rather nice job of correcting that too.

  • Strudelhouse

    Profiled? No.

    If you listen to the UN-edited versions of the 911 tapes, you’d know he was asked. People got fired for editing those tapes.

    • Joel Wischkaemper

      and profiled him because he was a young black man in a predominantly white neighborhood.

      ———————————————
      No. Blacks had committed a long sting of crimes in that GATED community. Zimmerman profiled the guy alright, because he was not a member of the community, and may well have been casing the joint. He was dumb in what he did, but Tayvon was off the wall. With Trayvon sitting on top of him, with reach of a concrete block that could easily have been a deadly weapon, we can correctly call Zimmerman a very lucky man that was intensely stupid.

  • Larry Clint

    HISPANICS beware, today these racist, hypocrite right wingers who are
    so invested in blood money and criminality that they support the
    criminal NRA and Guns which are the biggest killing machines in america
    pretend to support ZIMMERMAN because he is up against a black male,
    tommorow they will come after you when the occasion presents itself.
    Hispanics already have the second highest incarceration rates (a figure
    sure to rise) in the country and are also subject to profiling as a
    result of the racist criminal justice system set up by the same jim crow
    racist right wing scumbags who think they own america, a land they
    stole from indians and hispanics. When someday the occasion presents
    itself they will turn against you with the same methods and useless
    statistics. The right wing have a racist mindset which makes them
    beleive there should be no one in the stolen land america is but
    themselves. Notice how they block all immigration reforms. Beware the
    right wing is not your friend, they are racists, slave masters and criminal blood hounds who are so invested in the blood money that guns give them that they would rather everybody in america is killed than have gun reform laws. Beware!

    • Guest

      I wouldn’t stress it, Larry. Everyone is so focused on Zimmerman being ‘White’, no one cept White people are looking at Hispanics like ‘Wtf?’

    • Joel Wischkaemper

      Naa. But Hispanics have the mindset that they can take sidewalk smarts into a discussion, and make it work. Your bigotry on this issue.. reeks.

    • Mike Stokes

      This is a lot of baloney and hogwash. If you tried changing your attitude and live an honest life maybe you wouldn’t see nearly as much racism as you do now. Good luck.

  • Larry Clint

    What right wing racists, idiots and criminals like Bernnie goldberg fail
    to tell us is why america is the most violent and crime ridden nation
    on earth. America has the highest prison population on earth much more
    than china with more than 3 times america’s population and more than the
    whole of Europe combined. With more than 1 million whites serving jail
    terms and probation measures in america, there are more white prisoners
    in America than the whole of Western Europe and more white prisoners
    than the whole of the prison population in China. Thus it is immediately
    obvious that even if we take away the high minority prison population,
    there is still a very high prison population of the “advantaged” whites
    compared to Europe and other parts of the world which brings to the
    conclusion that america has a fundamental problem of crime, violence and
    high levels of incarceration. The question now is what is driving
    american criminality? The answer is clear and one that bloodhounds and
    hypocrite criminals like Bernnie Goldberg would prefer to ignore; GUNS,
    GUNS, GUNS! America has more guns than any nation on earth and it has
    contributed to the unusually high levels of violence and criminality in
    american society alongside other factors. Guns kill more people than
    drugs, alcohol, cancer put together in america every year. 90% of
    killings in america are done by guns. Common sense suggests that if you
    ban or strictly control guns; violence, crime and gun deaths will
    reduce by more than 70% but the Bernnie Goldbergs and other rightwing
    bloodhounds who make all the noise about crime will never entertain any
    such discussion because they profit from the criminal blood money that
    guns provide. They make so much noise about owning guns being a
    constitutional right, but the constitution is not written on stone, it
    was written by human beings and must be subject to change based on the exigencies of the times as is everything human. Even the Bible sancrosanct as it is supposed to be Jesus Christ made considerable changes
    to the old testament in the new testament, proving that nothing, not
    even the word of God is unchangeable. The hypocrisy of right wingers
    like Bernnie goldberg is that they refuse to make any change to the
    greatest cause of crime and violence in american society which is guns.
    The NRA and the right wing are more guilty of criminality than the
    common criminals they deride. If Bernnie and his hypocrite group are
    serious about making america a less violent, less crime ridden and saner
    society with less prisoners they should support gun control measures or
    shut up forever!

    • Joel Wischkaemper

      And you should check the source of the complaints that put so many African Americans in jail, and so many Hispanics in jail. Yep.. you should.

      The communities that are African American and Hispanic makes those complaints, and threaten the police if they don’t take care of it too. And they try to too. Kind of a shame you don’t know the guns are a constitutional right for those who don’t commit crimes. Ahhh.. is that why you don’t have one?

  • Larry Clint

    The racist right wing feeds on racism, that is why they have jumped on a simple issue of a black innocent kid murdered in cold blood and taken sides with the hispanic murderer because his skin colour is lighter. The right wing pretends they value life when they mount their hypocritical pro life anti-abortions campaign but look very closely and you see that the right wing are war mongers, vicious advocates of killings such as the one by zimmerman and supporters of the criminal cartel NRA that sells guns that kills more people than anything else in the USA. Now they pretend to love George Zimmerman but hispanics know better because the same racist right wing will continue to do everything to block immigration reform to legalise millions of their people living in the USA. And finally the racist right will should prepare for more crime once there is enough native born hispanics in america because right wing racism will surely marginalise them economically, push them down the economic ladder which will in turn create versions of mexico and colombia type crime and violence in america. It will be interesting to see what racists like Bernnie goldberg will be saying then.

  • Jackryanvb

    Mr. Goldberg, I lived in New York when Al Sharpton inflamed Black mobs over the Tawana Brawley rape hoax and when Al Sharpton inflamed Black mobs to assault and even kill Jewish people in the Crown Heights riot/pogrom. In later years Al Sharpton was again inciting mobs in the Duke Lacrosse Team rape hoax.

    Why does Sharpton get a free pass from the liberal media, why is he even getting paid as a news commentator at MSNBC?

    • Mike Stokes

      He was sued in court for liable and lost and has never paid the court ordered fine. Tawana recently got a job and started paying on her debt. This man should be ashamed to show his face in public, the most disgraces personality in public life. He is referred to as a Reverend, I don’t know the denomination he belongs to but he would never be accepted in any denomination I am familiar with. Jesse Jackson is from the same cloth. I think things would be better for blacks if they would get rid of these parasites.

  • souvoter

    You really bring them out of the woodwork, Bernie. When will the idiots wake-up and realise the democrats are using Martin’s death as a political tool, as usual. It’s shameful and a disgrace!!

  • stoic5

    dear bernie,
    WHEN is someone going to point out that Trayon was doing a very wrong thing when this unfortunate outcome occured?
    leaving race, gender & age completely out of it let’s just call both of them as simply person #1 & person #2
    person #1 (the neighbor watch person) asked person #2 “what are you doing here?.
    person #2 rather than of being cordial, cooperative & respectful, instead,
    punched person !# knocking him to the ground yelling “your’e going to die tonight, man” then jumped on person #1 straddling person #! punching, slapping, him, in other words:
    “whaling the living daylights out of person #1″ banging person #1′s head against the concrete pavement, giving him a bloody nose;; when person #2
    continued this ferocious beating, person #1 fearing for his life & defending his
    life & limb shot person #2 in self defense.
    perhaps, person#2 parents should “man up” and accept the fact that if they had raised their son to be respectful, & courteous, this unfortunate tragedy would not have happened;
    person #2 was doing wrong & and should accept the fact that he caused
    the whole tragic situation, himself!

    • Mike Stokes

      Person #1 got a broken nose also.

  • Edwin Woody

    Zimmerman “profiled” Martin because Martin was peering into the windows of one of Zimmerman’s neighbors and and Zimmerman knew the neighbor in question. Guess what? Martin didn’t look even remotely like the neighbor whose home he was peering into. And Zimmerman knew the home had recently been burglarized.

    All of which was revealed in the trial.

    Zimmerman is himself an eighth black. He took a black date to the prom. His mom is darker than Obama. Race had nothing to do with it.

    Trayvon and his father were both someplace they were not supposed to be. This did not happen out in public. This happened in a gated community which did not allow guests. Didn’t allow untrimmed hedges. Didn’t allow a lot of things. Not my sort of place but folks can live how they choose. Tracy and Travon Martin were not residents and Zimmerman didn’t recognize Trayvon. So he called the cops.

    Calling the cops on a pprowler isn’t racism, and its not beingg “a wannabe cop”.
    Its only a problem for the criminal element.

    • Jackryanvb

      Very well said. There is no evidence George Zimmerman did anything wrong.

      Trayvon Martin lived like a thug and died like a thug.

  • Larry Clint

    If all the supporters and cheerleaders of Bernard Goldberg care to go back to the very founding of america and the criminality, genocide, slavery, disposseion of land, rapes, torture,exploitation, discrimination, exlusion, lynchings, apartheid and all other forms of criminality that has defined america since its founding you would realise that there is no race on earth that is more guilty of criminality than the white race and white america.

    • Tim Ned

      And if you think about the 600,000 that died during the civil war to end slavery, there is no race or country that did more to change its dark past.

      • plsilverman

        but why did it take to at least 1964 to de-segregate? a far as changing its’ past…..it should have been changed before it got started…the way Bachman says….Slavery ended in 1789.
        >>>>sure, dragging people here in shackles, separating them from their spouses and children upon arrival, making them “breed” like horses; murdering them; raping the women. But what about the Civil war, you ask? we had to endure another 100 years of lynching and denial of basic services, say, like, voting, or getting a bank loan or ambulance service.

    • Gramps43

      Larry your problem is the same as the black community in general, you’re living in the past and don’t want to come forward in to the 21st century. On top of that they want to use all of the past inequities as a cudgel to get special treatment. STOP IT damn it that was then and this is now, you weren’t around at the turn of the 20th century. An ancestor of yours might have been a slave, that was his problem not yours. Your problem is getting your head out of your ass and joining us here in the present. My grandfather, moms side, was German, born here, and went to Germany shortly after my mother was born and stayed there. He could have been involved in WWII and be painted by Holocaust brush, do I run around today apologizing for what my grandfather might have done to the Jewish people? NO, I’m mature enough to know that my grandfather has to answer for what he did, not me, I wasn’t there.
      Wake up people this crap is gon’a keep on keep’in on until people like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Tavis Smiley get their heads out of their butts and start telling people to grow up and join the 21st century. And for heavens sake put the race card in your back pocket and sit on it instead of wearing it like a choker necklace for everyone to see.

      • Fantria

        well, you have to understand that because of the past is why things are the way they are today. no native american community prospers here in the united states….there is no rich spanish neighborhood anywhere in the united states….there are very very few wealthy black communities in the united states…because of the past several hundred years, black families are still playing catch up….there is no “family money” handed down thru generations of plantation owners on the minority side, my ancestors didn’t pass down any tobacco farm money. Reverend King marched in the late 60s for civil rights….if you think about it…50 yrs is NOT a very long time….some of the young or even older white people around then who opposed civil rights…well, alot of them are still alive and well today and still have the same views towards minorities….you sit here and you say the black community plays this victim card, or this race card etc. let me ask you….are you a black man or woman? i’m not asking if you’ve lived the life of an oppressed minority during civil war times, i’m not even asking if you’ve lived the life of a trouble-maker thug minority from the hood….i ask you to walk in my shoes as a black man…raised in a middle class family of 2 parents….2 car garage etc….even if you did that for a month you may begin to understand even a little bit of where some of the anger and frustration comes from. i can’t tell you how many times i’ve been stopped HANDCUFFED yes HANDCUFFED…and questioned about BS, has this ever happened to you? be honest. i cannot tell you how many times my vehicle has been searched…for no reason….i have absolutely no criminal record, juvenile or adult….i’ve never seen the inside of a jail….but this is my everyday life. now i dont agree with black “leaders” in the media about every single thing. but i also dont know a single person in my life that has ever said anything remotely close to “we want special treatment” so dont generalize my whole race. i didn’t ask you for a handout i dont want your damn handout. i dont want your sympathy either but i would like you people to at least try to understand where some of this anger comes from. you say stop living in the past….but if we forget the past aren’t we doomed to repeat it? i’m not asking you to apologize for what some possible relative of yours did to a possible relative of mine several generations before i got here but i am asking you to understand that this anger does not just come from nowhere, there is a reason for the anger….i am personally not angry at anyone…i’m pissed, embarrassed and then very depressed when the police bother me for no reason…but then i move on….the next day i dont go spewing hatred for all but these same things happen to black “leaders” and those with an audience and bigger voice and some of them happen to be more spiteful…angrier and etc than i am, but dont use “the black community” as a whole because you saw a few hundred people backing what al sharpton said on tv and also understand …it is a priviledge to be born white in america….ask any minority not just black….but any and see if they feel like they are on equal ground with caucasians

        and bob olden….the civil war was not about freeing slaves, like just about every war you can trace a big part of the reason back to money….so really the country did not do much to change its dark past…..ask the many native americans living on reservations addicted to alcohol. in arizona there are hundreds of miles of desert….there is an indian reservation there that is about 10square miles. arizona is HUGE…i’m not exactly sure how big the tribe is that lives there…but they were given a whole 10 square miles….of their own land that was stolen from them.

        • Jackryanvb

          There are lots of wealthy Hispanic neighborhoods in Miami, San Antonio TX.

          Stop lying.

          • plsilverman

            yeah, all of a sudden our own historians aren’t good enough. we need the French perspective. I thought those Frenchmen/women were all Socialists! suddenly we need *their* two francs.

        • Joel Wischkaemper

          And you are wrong again. I would like to recommend to you that you read either a French perspective, or a British perspective on the African American Community. They are scathing in some respects and since we don’t want to be burned down, we don’t publish or sell those histories.. do we. You have to order them.

      • Strudelhouse

        Spot on, Gramps.

        I keep trying to drive that point home, but everyone is stuck in April 1968 for some reason. I really wish the mindset would join us in 2013. It’s getting lonely here.

    • Jackryanvb

      Oh shut up. In which nation do Black African racial people have better lives than the USA?

      Haiti?
      Somalia?
      Congo?
      Rwanda?

      Check out the true facts well over 90% of those who shoot Black males are other Black males.

      • legal eagle

        How white of you…..

        • Joel Wischkaemper

          And very, very true Jackryanvb.

      • Larry Clint

        Better check the history of those nations and see how criminal whites contributed and continues to contribute to the predicament of those countries. The so called prosperity of the white race has always been at the expense of others. A race with animalistic tendencies, the most criminal race in the history of humanity, the white race has all through history, robbed, disposessed, enslaved, raped, committed genocide, exploited and stolen from others to advance themselves. If the white race had shed their animalistic criminal tendencies and remained in their war torn old continent without seeking to go out to rob, disposses, kill, enslave, corrupt and steal from others the world would be a better place today and the so called white prosperity would be a myth.

        • Jackryanvb

          There haven’t been any White people in Haiti for over 200 years.

          Many African nations like Rhodesia-Zimbabwe were prosperous nations with high rates of Black literacy when Whites were in the country in large numbers. Same applies for Uganda when Asiam Muslim merchants were there before Idi Amin expelled them. What’s life been like for regular Blacks in now all Black nations like Uganda and Zimbabwe? In your view it must be Black paradise…. So great 95% of Blacks try to flee sneak in to Europe, UK,USA.

        • AbdullahtheButcher

          How have white people contributed to the current problems plaguing Haiti, Congo, Somalia, and Rwanda when there haven’t been any white people in those places for decades, in Haiti’s case centuries? Blaming white people for the problems of those nations is just basically using a easy scapegoat which doesn’t do anything. BTW, you’re one to talk about racism considering that you’re as racist as the Ku Klux Klan in your own way, even if to a different race.

        • Mike Stokes

          Are you about finished with your tirade?

  • Larry Clint

    Bernard Goldberg only succeeded in revealing in his article the mindset that has made everyone except the republican rightwing to regard the republican party as essentially a racist party. Ironically even the Hispanic community of George Zimmerman for which the rightwing has come in defence considers the republican rightwing a racist party and for good reason.From the onset the right wing, foxnews and folks like Bernard Golberg showed no empathy for Travyon Martin, they where rather busy justifying the heinous murder of an unarmed young black kid. Bernnie wonders why the mainstream media does not give the same coverage they gave to the travyon martin issue to the gangland killings in the black community, but that question derives from crass ignorance for there is nowhere in the world where the killing of an unarmed innocent kid on the premise of race would not get more publicity than that of gangland criminals killing themselves. Bernnie shot himself in the foot by rationalising the profiling of blacks on the basis of crime statistics; truth is blacks have been profiled all through american history from the days of slavery through jim crow upto the present times. What Bernnie failed to tell us was the fundamental institutional racist social factors driving the so called black crime. When you have a black population that are deprived and discriminated such that they are less likely to get jobs, less likely to get bank loans for a start-up, more likely to be paid less than their white counter parts when they do get jobs and all other institutional forms of exclusion you get more crime. All over the world, those pushed into poverty and exclusion are always more likely to commit crimes than those with affluence and opportunity. The judicial racism must also be noted for blacks are sentenced more steeply than whites for the same crimes. furthermore while Marijuana use is the same among blacks and whites, the police is ten times more likely to go after and convict black users than they would of whites. If the conviction rates were the same for blacks and whites on marijuana use alone, the prison demographics would dramatically change. This is the stark truth of institutional racism conveniently ignored by bernnie. Black on black crime as the likes of bernnie likes to hype is laughable because the statistics also show the same levels of white on white crime. The bottomline is that most blacks kill blacks and most whites kill whites. Most crime and killings wether by whites or blacks are done by guns; without guns or with effective gun controls the homicide rates would fall by more than 80% but predictably the likes of Bernnie Goldberg and his right-wing hawks would rather do everything to protect the blood money and interests of the NRA criminal cartel of arms dealers than save lives through gun control laws. Finally i must part by reminding Bernnie of the historical criminality of whites that began with the criminal dispossesion of the native indians of their land and the centuries of exploitative slavery, oppresion, rape, mass murders, torture, genocide and all other forms of Apartheid that has been the American experience. In that regards Bernnie lacks the moral right to talk of black crime when the white american establishment has been nothing but a white criminal enterprise since its founding.

    • Josh

      If one’s standard of empathy is instantly assuming a black teen was only killed for being a black teen, then, no, I guess those Bernard Goldberg types and Fox News did not show empathy.

      If one’s standard of empathy is to racially profile America for its history every time a black teen is murdered, then, no, I guess those Bernard Goldberg types and Fox News did not show empathy.

      Empathy — Understanding that America is racist, has contempt for black people, and that WWB may get you killed by overzealous white men.

      I wasn’t aware that the dictionary had changed its definition of empathy to “Must agree philosophically with Tavis Smiley.”

  • jmar

    I guess the G.Z. supporters are still missing the points that 1)G.Z. used a gun in a fist fight 2)The fact the he wasn’t going to even have a day in court for killing this young man until the national media got involved 3)the overwhelming majority of the black people commiting crimes against each other (and even more if another race is involoved) end up going through the judicial process if caught.
    Of these black on black crimes, i wonder how many can get to claim “self defense” if a fist fight escalates into a shooting. Of those that do i wonder if any actually get off scott free.
    Consider the case of Troy Davis. (google it) A young black man in GA accused of killing a white police officer about 15 years ago. Tragic indeed. The officer was a veterern and left behind a 2 or 3 year old son. Troy Davis was put on trial and got the death penalty. Years later, ALL of the witness recanted and said they were either coerced were mistaken. There were people who were ready to testify against the real kiler. Instead of opening the case back up for re investigation, they put Troy to death anyway. There are many stories like this that don’t get much media attention. The point is to say that just because the media doesn’t point out those injustices don’t mean it doesn’t happen. I know blacks kill whites and so on and so forth but agian, they get their day in court without any media pressure to do so.

    • Wheels55

      Decent points. Your first point about using a gun in a fist fight is a little off. The law does not state that one must use equal force, in this case fist for fist, to defend yourself. One just has to feel that they are in danger of severe harm or death. Having my head bashed against the concrete would make me think that I was in deep doo doo.

      However, as a gun owner, a concealed weapon permit holder and gun sportsman, I would not have confronted T.M. When I carry a gun, I feel extra responsibility to not get into confrontations.

      Having said that, G.Z. was found not guilty and has to live with what happened for the rest of his life. I wouldn’t want to be free and have to live with such a tragedy.

      • plsilverman

        good post.

    • Josh

      I’m not sure about #2.

      Nobody knows that. It’s kinda like saying one’s cold only got better because they drank the cough syrup. It may have sped up the process, but the factor of known outcomes is an unfair standard to toss out.

      If anything, the national pressure in forcing the prosecution’s hand caused a much weaker case with an overreaching charge — ala Casey Anthony.

      Often is the case in criminal matters that the wheels turn very slowly, more evidence is compiled, a charge that will actually stick is levied, and then it all gets underway.

      The “this is 1955!” attitude on a national level caused nothing but fear and panic from those in Florida not wanting to be labeled racist and not wanting the Federal Thor hammer to pummel them.

      As for comparing a police officer shot on an equal level, that’s unfortunately not the way the world works. Though we should all be equal, an officer shot is always going to take precedence and things will get messy. It’s comparing an apple to the last orange left in a post-apocalyptic world.

  • Bystander

    I agree with your analysis totally. This was a tragedy and I think there’s elements out there who definitely want to keep the issue stirred up.

  • Josh

    To look at the way this entire trial played out–from Federal involvement to force the prosecution’s hand to discovery being tough and a mostly-white, all-female jury–the only aspect which keeps many from screaming that another minority was being railroaded was that Martin was a black teen.

    If this played out the same way, only with Martin being a white teen, the cries wouldn’t be about contempt for black men. The cries would be about yet another minority, a Hispanic man, not getting the benefit of the doubt in a self-defense case, and instead having the deck stacked against him to try to prove he murdered a white teen in cold blood, despite evidence to the contrary.

    Change one thing about this entire situation, Trayvon Martin’s skin color, and we’d have another case where Sharpton types would be screaming for justice for minorities — for Zimmerman.

    Smiley and Sharpton and Jackson and the ilk seem as if they find it uncomfortable to speak in too much detail about troubled black communities delivering troubling statistics. But this being black vs. non-black, it was the perfect crisis to piggyback in order to show the country that their brand if hustle is still necessary to bring truth to power.

    These hustlers are profiting off of Martin, perpetuating divisiveness, and liberal media shakes and nods, too worried they’ll be given a metaphorical hood should they question the facts.

  • Carl

    Well said Bernie…..If your Jewish brothers didn’t keep telling blacks they were victims , maybe they wouldn’t feel so ‘oppressed’…

  • Randy

    July 14, 2013, in Jacksonville, Florida, a black man shoots and kills two white men (who were brothers) outside a Golden Corral restaurant. Where’s the moral outrage? Where’s the Reverends Jackson and Sharpton decrying the actions of a black shooter? Where are the calls for action and the calls to strip gun owners of their second amendment rights? Who cries out for the family who just lost two sons? Guess no one gets upset when the shooter is black and the victims are white. Wonder what excuses will be conjured up when the presumably innocent black man gets tried and possibly convicted? Will the Reverends make an appearance at his sentencing (assuming a conviction)?

    • Wheels55

      Jackson and Sharpton can’t make money complaining about that one.

  • Floridian1992

    Check out Bernie’s coverage in 1992 of a case in Jacksonville Fl where a black 36 year old male killed a 15 year old white teenage boy. Bernie did a show about the case on 48 Hours. The shooter was Adrian Crump and the boy was Daniel Adams. The teenager was in a car with other boys and they had a slingshot. They hit Crump’s window with a stone. Crump picked up his gun, left his house, and found the boys a block away parked in their car. He went up to the car and killed Adams at point blank range. He was found NOT GUILTY of manslaughter!!! NO-ONE RIOTED! And there were no cries to make it a Federal Case! So the next time someone asks ‘What if the races were reversed?’, cite this FLORIDA case!

  • bigdog

    You are a asshole

    • AbdullahtheButcher

      Who is?

    • will_correct_your_grammar

      an* asshole.

      Also, he’s addressing the truth, which has an underlying problem which is nobody holds themselves accountable anymore. If you’re out walking alone late at night and you see a group of black dudes chances are you’ll casually cross the street or take a different route – or the thought will at least cross your mind. The fingers get pointed at the people who just don’t want to be a victim rather than the people who turn people into victims. Bill Cosby has been pointing fingers at the black community for decades reminding them that the only people they have to blame for all the stereotyping and profiling are themselves for victimizing everyone when they don’t need to be. If they don’t like it, then the alternative solution is to prove the stereotype wrong. Not easy, but usually the things that are worth working for are not easy.

    • Bob Hadley

      Amazing! A moron can actually write!

  • tacheles

    Unlike Harold Rosenberg’s herd of independent minds, Bernard Goldberg is truly an independent mind — a fiercely independent mind.

    The false media narrative of interracial crimes is glaringly obvious. Examples abound. Google Marley Lion, the young man who was murdered for being in the wrong neighborhood. This murder was ignored by the national media but a case of self-defense receives saturation coverage.

  • hunk

    HEY BERNIE, You wrote “I also think George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin – and profiled him because he was a young black man in a predominantly white neighborhood”. Actually, the gated community has a 49% white residents, so the minorities equal 51%. You’re a liar!

    • AbdullahtheButcher

      Or simply wrong.

    • Debdeb

      hunk, If your 49% is true, it is a good point to mention. It highlights the absurdity. For me the absurdity is the fact that this case actually shows that the USA is successfully melting. In the 1950s a last name probably indicated ethnic status and a successful, gated community would have not been so reasonably diverse. Today we see that this is no longer true. The old stereotypes are fading on their own.

      Technically, though, Bernie is still accurate because each minority group could be counted uniquely and then compared separately to the “white” ratio.

    • AbdullahtheButcher

      From what I’ve heard, the community was 60% white, with the rest evenly divided between black and Latino.

  • Jimbo

    Sad but true, if you dare mention this in the “Lame Stream” you are labelled a racist. There is a target on young black males, and the ones who are taking aim? Other young black males. Mr. Smiley knows this well, but it doesn’t play in to the victim mentality.

  • FedUP

    GOD BLESS YOU BERNIE. I’ve been waiting for someone with enough balls to speak the truth! I watched you on O reily last night and the numbers/stats speak volume!

  • 633

    Well done. The Zimmerman story coverage has been biased from the onset (see Duke Lacrosse). Zimmerman has a civil trial coming up where he will be held responsible (a point rarely if ever made) as he should. The criminal indictment was obviously politically influenced from the onset. Its time to begin focusing on the reality of criminal conduct which explains but does not excuse conduct like Zimmerman’s, even if it does discomfort the NAACP (an organization to which I used to contribute when it actually pursed racial equality).

    • Hammockbear

      Absolutely the bias was set the first several days after Trayvon’s death.
      The media displayed photos of this teen from several years prior. That sets in the minds that he was a perhaps 12 years old and how could this have happened. Media is to report news as Fact. The photos originally displayed were purposely used to set the tone. Frankly, I am tired of the people of all races getting riled and complaining they have been wronged
      It is time to put the word Racist into the bottom of the outhouse and treat all nationalities without seeing color of skin. Finally, Eric Holder should resign. He has no business pursuing the Zimmerman case as he himself should resign. Please do Not ever forget Fast and Furious. So many LIES. Agent Brian Terry was murdered and to date, his family has no answers. Eric Holder knows far more than he says. So let’s put the Lies down the outhouse too. Yessah.!!

      • floridahank

        Hey Hamm…..I agree the bias was set the first several days after Martin’s death…..even Obama got into the act…and I’m sure his influence was felt in different parts of the media — most of whom are pro-Obama people to begin with. And the media kept using Martin’s photo that was taken when he was 13yrs. not a recent photo where he appears much different — not such a baby-face look.
        It will be very interesting when all the information becomes public…not just what was reported during the trial. I expect much news that couldn’t be used in the trial to be very revealing about Martin, more than Zimmerman. We’ll see who was much different than what the public knew.

        • Hammockbear

          All that you say reminds me that everyone BUT the jurors, knows More about the situation . I would believe the jurors did their best to reach the final verdict BASED on all that was presented in the courtroom. We are all too quick to forget this VIP fact.

          • Bob olden

            Let’s not forget another important element of this media malpractice: This whole hyped up case makes a great smoke screen to divert attention from the scandals of this administration. Think of all the hours that were lost analyzing every detail — and it goes on even after the verdict was delivered! It’s as if there were closure on all the previous incompetence and corruption for which no one yet has been held accountable!

          • Hammockbear

            Agree with you 100% Bob. Thought of that same smokescreen when reading about the drug bust of a major cartel player. He was the Sacrifice ,Again, to Divert attention from the scandals that plague this administration.
            As for all the hours lost in analyzing details, and seeing the cost of this trial that the taxpayers of Sanford, Fl. will feel the burden, it merely adds to the corruption and incompetence that has to date, held no one accountable. So I ask, Why. Best guess. MONEY.
            There is a book in writing about Media Malpractice, I would bet the farm on that. That also is a movie in the making. Accountability Does Matter. not media matters. been to that site and enough said.
            tv and its advertisers are raking in the money from the trial. In the meantime, families have been shattered and the old race card has been dealt again from the top. I find that insulting to everyone and hope people will get past the Hate.

  • Marty Hinnenkamp

    Great commentary just wish your advice would be taken but afraid it is not to be.

  • jhsif

    SOmeone needs to give the media a time out for this temper tantrum! I’d reccomend using the belt but they already do that and enjoy it way too much!

  • Anthony Casamassima

    Bernie you are the best. keep up the good work.

  • Thomas Kraska

    Thank You —-Mr.Goldberg

  • Brad

    Of course you are right. Everyone know it, but few will admit it.

  • SHER

    At a Guy Bernie. Just tonight my husband said when will these news casters call a spade a spade you did just that tonight.

  • Fantria

    wow, look at all these people now praising this journalist for “bravery” this is how you all feel or “agree” with the journalist yet dont have the balls yourself to come out and say it only when someone else does then you jump on their coattails for the ride…

    • Jeremiah

      I’m sure this conversation is had regularly by even the black community. Chris Rock himself based an entire one hour comedy act on exactly this and rolled it out in “DC, ‘Chocolate City’”, to uproarious laughter and zero outcry. But then, I’m sure the audience was completely white, right?

      Unfortunately no one can talk about it because you’re labeled an Uncle Tom if you’re black (Bill Cosby) or a racist if you’re not of African descent. I’d much rather keep my job as would most common, hard working, law abiding people of any race. It is by no coincidence that the common, logical American, of every color, is rarely heard. We are all too busy busting our asses at work to support our families to take time out to riot or protest or make a career of race baiting.

      How does agreeing with excellent articulation of a very well known issue make someone a coattail rider? Your response has zero logical argument against what is written and instead distracts with what more or less amounts to a generalized personal attack. How about attempting a logical debate on content?

  • Phillip MacHarg

    The same people hooting and hollering with glee when the double murderer, OJ, was acquitted are now enraged that George Zimmerman should walk free. Interesting how things come round. Sorry, but my prayers and thoughts today are solely with the Martin family. Like all parents (regardless of color) that have lost a child in such an awful, violent way the suffering is unimaginable. The Martin’s, in my mind, have endured such tragedy with great dignity and courage. Their solemnity and respect for the legal process gave special meaning to their son’s precious life. To be sure – much more significance than any court ruling could possibly impart.

    • http://TrochilusTales.blogspot.com Trochilus

      You seem to have express two diametrically opposed thoughts.

      I know that I certainly feel deep personal sorrow for Trayvon Martin’s family. Whatever troubles they may have personally recognized that this 17 year old young man was going through, they were feelings we can all empathize with . . . whether on a personal level because we recollect our own emotional “uprooting” as kids, or as parents of a troubled kid, or perhaps as adults who have known “related” youngsters who were passing through difficult phases in their lives.

      Sometime or other, we have all felt like the watchman on duty with respect to a kid who was unfortunately pushing the limits.

      Maybe . . . just maybe, that was why George Zimmerman felt compelled at his bail hearing to directly and personally expressing his feelings, by apologizing to Trayvon’s parents for the death of their son.

      Through their attorney, they cynically rejected that expression out of hand, claiming it was a calculated, and self-serving cynical expression.

      But maybe they shouldn’t have. I personally believe George was speaking to them from his heart. Not one single bit of evidence elicited before or during the trial process has convinced me otherwise.

      George Zimmerman did not set out that night to kill someone. What he was doing was admirable . . . he was defending his neighborhood.

      And at a certain point, he defended himself from an unjustified personal attack. that was what the jury had determined, based on all the evidence.

  • chase ashford

    I’m African American also a disable veteran i lost my leg to a IED ever single day i wake up to be reminded that my life will never be the same i sacrificed the rest of my life for a country who will never respect my color One thing you should take in consideration Sir in all respect towards you WE HAVE NEVER HAD A FAIR CHANCE IN THIS COUNTRY THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE THAT WAS WRITTEN BY OUR FOUR FATHERS WE’RE ALL SLAVE OWNERS every week i go to group meetings at the local VA i have expressed for the last two years how even with my sacrifice i am still not accepted and treated fairly in this country and that’s sad i agree with your comments on the O Reilly show blacks are killing other blacks but the way you presented your self was very un professional

    • Checker72

      Sir, sincerely thank you for your service. Dare I say that you are not alone with the lack of respect but I don’t believe it is due to your race. While much is done for our vets, it is not nearly enough. I have a son and I hope he never has to see or experience the things you and many others have and that alone should push me to do more than I already do for you and other service men and women.
      As was mentioned in this article, we aren’t in 1955 Mississippi. Much is done to in fact put minorities ahead of whites for the simple sake of political correctness. I won’t bore you with the entire story, but try to be a white middle-class family and send your child to college and receive needed financial aid. There are many, many other examples, but to say you don’t have a fair chance is wrong.

      If a white man meets you in a suit and tie and another in pants 3 sizes too large with them below his rear-end, tattoos and piercings all over, what are your HONEST impressions/thoughts about each. Those are based on experiences and sadly every color makes the same assumptions. Much can be said how we present–and represent–ourselves and our cultures.

      • Ron F

        With all due respect you do not believe him that it is due to his race. If not what is it due to? Are you suggesting he wouldn’t know what it is due to or that he is wearing pants 3 sizes too large below his rear-end with tattoos and piercings all over. How would you possibly know if he has been treated fairly and if not, the reason?

        • Checker72

          I’m saying that vets in general aren’t treated with enough respect, but that to inject race into everything is not fair or correct. I’m not stupid enough to say that people do not have racial bias, but the “system” is set up now to–if anything–discriminate in reverse to further minorities.
          We all prejudge people based on past experiences and the presentation of those we see/meet. it’s a fact and like it or not everyone does it.

          • Ron F

            Checker, Chase’s exact words were “every week i go to group meetings at the local VA i have expressed for the last two years how even with my sacrifice i am still not accepted and treated fairly in this country”. I will take his word for it.

    • Jackryanvb

      There are at least 50 countries in the world that are at least 80% Black. Maybe one of these Black countries would be better for you.

  • Acu-Vue

    Your phrase “Good Racial Manners” says it all. And how far do we have to go before we completely “Fade To Black”. I am a father of 2 boys in college. One of which will be starting his Sophomore year at a prominent University where he is a star student athlete. We just received notification that new 2013 NCAA regulations require ALL student athletes to have a Sickle Cell Trait Test. (Are you kidding me) This is the epitome of “Good Racial Manners” — Just for your information: Statistics show 1 in 12 blacks, 1 in 1400 hispanics, and 1 in 100,000 whites test positive for Sickle Cell and “IT IS NOT CONTAGIOUS”. The Daily News was correct in an ironic way with their headline — WHEN WILL IT END!

  • Brendan

    Bernie I have respected you for so long, but your comments on the Orielly Factor tonight was so disappointing. You chose to speak about something that was obviously outside of your expertise. It is apparent you know nothing about race and crime..have your researchers pull up ‘Crime & Demography: Multiple Linkages, Reciprocal Relations’ and pay special attention to Pg 91 to be more informed about interracial crime…but while you are at it, read the entire thing before you speak at all about this topic

    • Brendan

      In the event your not interested in doing some studying, here is the truth in short:

      One: Blacks do not commit a disproportionate amount of crime in our society, crimes that blacks commit such as street or drug crimes are disproportionately prosecuted in the criminal justice system. Self report surveys confirm the fact that crime is distributed equally across society.

      Two: interracial crime is largely a myth: the vast majority of crime is Intraracial (e.g. black on black, as in Chicago)

      • Mike

        Are referring to a comment Goldberg made on O’Reilly where he spoke specifically of homicide rates and race? DOJ data (1980-2008) show whites are twice as likely to be killed by blacks than vice versa, further refuting the “open hunting season” mentality that has been put forward by many people in the last few days.

        If I remember correctly, Goldberg uses the more general term “crime” earlier in the TV segment and that is where IMHO your argument (including the paper you cited – thank you for that) is applicable.

        • tacheles

          White, non-Hispanic crime stats are unknowable. DOJ treats Hispanics as white for crime purposes.

  • Mann D. Lifeboats

    Thanks, Bernie. Saw you on O’Reilly just a few hours ago. Keep pounding those race-baiting, morally and intellectually bankrupt, advocacy, anti-American so-called “journalists.” Makes you ashamed and sick to be a real journalist, doesn’t it? Does me.

  • Jeff 24/7

    I’m pretty sure I saw on Megyn Kelly’s show last year that the gated community in question was actually 80% Black and Latino.

  • George zimmering

    As I see alot of Racial comments on this Site and when we talk about Issues lets put it all out there how white on white crime whites Using drugs selling drugs making drugs more white people are on food stamps as we see them on the corner now begging because they have left they rich family and rather be on the corner with they dog then deal with they family bull s

    • Mann D. Lifeboats

      Great deflection, but that dog won’t hunt. Nor will your ignorance and bias.

  • cjh1955

    Thank you, Bernie! You may be the ONLY journalist with courage and sanity left in this country.

    • Lily

      Thanks Bernie! What a pleasure to hear you speak about the blacks in such a truthful manner. Yes, they themselves perpetrate more crimes on each other than on Whites, Latino, or Asian peoples. I was especially unhappy to hear Tavis Smiley speak about the how the Whites have not accepted the Blacks. Look at our Black President… we wanted to give him a chance to do well. However, things have proved otherwise. The proof is in the pudding. You Go Berrnie…

  • wally12

    Bernie: I agree with most of your article. However, I watched Greta a few nights ago where she showed how dark the area that Zimmerman and Trayvon where in. It was nearly pitched black so to identify anyone’s race would have been almost impossible. Zimmerman didn’t know Trayvon was black but may have said he looked like black as part of an answer to the 911 operator who wanted an answer. Do hoods give an impression that the person is black? It may in some areas of the country. However, my son lives in the north and always wears a hood but it is only up when it is cold outside. The conclusion is that Zimmerman gave an “off the cuff” answer to the 911 operator and was not profiling but trying to conclude the conversation and attempting to get some assistance with his scouting of the possible intruder.

    • chase ashford

      I’m African American also a disable veteran i lost my leg to a IED ever single day i wake up to be reminded that my life will never be the same i sacrificed the rest of my life for a country who will never respect my color One thing you should take in consideration Sir in all respect towards you WE HAVE NEVER HAD A FAIR CHANCE IN THIS COUNTRY THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE THAT WAS WRITTEN BY OUR FOUR FATHERS WE’RE ALL SLAVE OWNERS every week i go to group meetings at the local VA i have expressed for the last two years how even with my sacrifice i am still not accepted and treated fairly in this country and that’s sad i agree with your comments on the O Reilly show blacks are killing other blacks but the way you presented your self was very un professional

      • wally12

        I’m sorry but I am having difficulty in understanding your statement of never having a chance in life. It seems that you assume my life has been a bowl of cherries. It has not. I am one of 5 children who grew up being very poor. My parents owned a small 20 acre farm that wasn’t very fertile. We all had “hand me down clothes”. I remember as a kid that my jeans had patches on top of patches. We didn’t have an indoor toilet or a bath tub. We worked the farm as well as we could to make a living. My father was a lumber jack and was away from the farm for the entire week or more so farm work was left for my mother and us kids. We didn’t receive aid for anything which includes school. If any of us missed the bus ride to school, we walked. We had frozen toes when we walked to school during below zero temperature days. We were blessed that our parents encouraged all of us to get a college education. We are college graduates. We paid our way by doing summer jobs and saving. No hands outs were given to us to attend school. Thus, I do not understand what you mean by a fair chance since even the poorest of the poor can better themselves by something called very hard work and perseverance. If you claim that because you lost your leg and that you are an African American, your government treats you differently than a white veteran with the same disability, I’ll agree with you. However, if the government treats you differently, you have an option to sue. I wish you well.

  • moonflyr23

    BRAVO, BERNIE!

  • Leon Johnson

    Why are black are cab drivers in NYC, reluctant to pick up black riders ?

  • kalind

    Bernie, you are my hero! Thank you for saying it out loud.

  • JerkyMiester

    Thank you, Mr. Goldberg for being an excellent and couragous journalist!

  • Cecilio Mendez

    Right on Mr. Goldberg. Unfortunately, the MSM will just say: Next case! That is, unless Holder decides to bring some federal charges. Then we will will have the next pugilistic match all over the news.

  • joespook

    Mr. Goldberg appeared on the O’Reilly program and I thought both of them showed great courage in stating the obvious Profiling may be illegal, but it could save your life. I was surprised by O’Reilly’s response. Even a phony like him gets fed up with the liberal BS..

  • savage24

    I heard a black media pundit say that black on black violence is a myth. Makes you wonder where they keep their heads when they are not on camera. These were the people that claimed that “the truth would set you free”, but deny the truth when it faces them.

    • Mutt

      I’ve got a pretty good idea where they keep their heads.

  • James Dunn

    AMEN Bernie! Your last paragraph pretty much says it all-THANK YOU

  • Constitution Cowgirl

    Do you know what else the media is leaving out? How about the string of home invasions and burglaries committed by young black males in the previous months. GZ wasn’t profiling for profiling sake. The residences there had been terrorized. George was doing what any truly concerned neighbor would have done…. He acted in self defense. Period. Facts are what the jury were required by law to examine; not feelings and opinions of others. I am surprised by the number of people spouting out
    about a case most of them must not have watched. What’s the old saying? “If people think you’re stupid don’t open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

    • Loislane

      Are you serious? George Zimmerman is a cowboy in HIS own mind. Had he simply identified himself as being part of the neighborhood watch, and asked the necessary question NONE of this would have happened.

  • Chris

    The jury did a great job basing their decision on facts; not emotions. They did not even get to hear about the suppressed evidence against Trayvon such as the drugs in his system that night, getting kicked out of school for causing trouble and doing drugs, his own photos of guns, his tweets about loving to fight, etc.

  • lindamakofski

    Who threw the first punch? Since when is it criminal to walk up to a black man.

  • desert

    You are right Bernie, and thank you for your thoughts. Yes it was unfortunate. I just came across the murder of a 26 yr old waitress who was killed by three black “children” for her tips. The jury passed a verdict. We sat in shock when the jury for OJ said Not Guilty.

    • Loislane

      You sound like a GOOD little racist. Yes white america is still fuming over the O.J. trial is it because he was found innocent or is it because a white woman was killed. Did you ever consider based on the evidence that he was actually innocent. You would not even know who she was had she not been a woman of lose morals. Let’s be honest this was a woman who had an affair with a married man, he SUPPORTED her whole family and she was a coke head her and her sister. Maybe her dealer killed her

      • Dan

        So it was ok that OJ killed her?

      • PatriotLuvr

        Just how do you explain OJ’s blood at the murder scene and their blood in his truck and his home hallway? The jury ignored DNA evidence, are you as well?

  • Mr. Realist

    Finally! Someone (Bernie) is saying what a lot of Americans are thinking and saying. The race card is worn out. There is many, many places here in the United States where whites would be beaten and or killed for just driving in a neighborhood. Blacks will kill just over the color of your skin. And they don’t even blink about killing each other.

    • Chris

      I remember growing up in New York and being warned of all the attacks on whites if they entered a black neighborhood. My mother got robbed and beaten while her car was at a red light driving through a black neighborhood and nobody would help her. As Bernie said, black on white crime is much, much more common than the other way around. But for some strange reason, the media continually pushes the race card.

      • Loislane

        Chris

        As a native New Yorker your a LIAR. Who has been in EVERY brough Staten Island, and certain parts of Brooklyn I would NEVER walk through for fear of being attacked by the Italians. For the most part we all get along with each it’s only certain areas that still have that “Entitled” mentality If this indeed did happen I guarantee your mother was assisted.

  • Betty Ann

    You are 100% correct. I like to believe I am not racist. That being said, living in a big city, Philadelphia, I racial profile every day. I take public transportation too and from work. As a white woman traveling alone when I ride the subway I make sure there are other white people in the car I am entering. There have been times that I have been absolutely petrified and that saddens me. I can’t openly use my i phone on the subway because of so many thefts on the train mostly committed by young black men. Some people may call this racist I call it self preservation.

    • Loislane

      Betty Ann,

      Sorry to inform you but your a racist. Just admit it. And you need to not only examine your actions but also your thoughts. Why are you so scared? Where are these thoughts stemming from? For some reason White women always seem to think that Black men are attracted to them and that they are savages who want to rape or kill them…Really!!!

      • Dan

        So you’d say black ghettos are just imagined? There’s a reason you can buy a house in Detroit for $100. That’s no joke. Look on Zillow.

    • tacheles

      The demagogic left uses “racist” as a synonym for telling the truth and for being guided by experience. It’s an undeniable fact that underclass criminality is widespread and pervasive. Don’t endanger your life because of the demonization from the delusional left.

    • Larry Clint

      if you care to go back to the very founding of america and the criminality, genocide, slavery, disposseion of land, rapes, torture,exploitation, discrimination, exlusion, lynchings, apartheid and all other forms of criminality that has defined america since its founding you would realise that there is no race on earth that is more guilty of criminality than the white race and white america.

  • Stephen Didovich

    you are right bernie

  • Iftruthbetold

    Quotes of Booker T. Washington

    “There is (a) class of colored people who make a
    business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the
    Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a
    living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of
    advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and
    partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to
    lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. … ”

    “There is a certain class of race problem-solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not
    only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy
    medium through which to make themselves prominent before
    the public.”

  • stixnstones

    The outcry for a federal prosecution has already begun. Will someone tell me – please – what interest the federal government has in what was basically a street fight between two individuals in a small Florida town.

    • fraudcop

      Because the government thinks it needs two bites of the apple. If they cannot get Zimmerman on criminal charges they will charge him with whatever civil rights violation they deem appropriate, which in my view is double jeopardy.

  • Gloria

    AMEN! You said it all and you said it well. It is sad and ridiculous at the same time. If the case came out the opposite way and young Mr. Martin had killed Mr. Zimmerman somehow, instead of the other way around, we would not be talking about it since no one would have been aware of it for more than fifteen minutes after it happened. Sad and ridiculous.
    Trayvon’s parents ought to roust all the rabble rousers. say they accept the verdict – sadly nothing will bring their son back – and ask to be left in peace.

    • Bob Hadley

      Trayvon’s parent have been silent since the verdict, as far as I know. And they conducted themselves with the utmost class during the trial.

      As for “rousting all the rabble rousers,” now you want Trayvon’s parents to play avengers?????? Isn’t that what started this fiasco??

      • Loislane

        Again George Zimmerman is not WHITE has he used his mother’s last name Mesa would white america count this as a victory for them.? I think not

        • Bob Hadley

          What are you talking about???????????????????????? You must be replying to someone else!

          I did not mention race. I implied nothing about race. My post immediately above yours has nothing to do with Zimmerman’s race or about his mother’s maiden name.

          Reread my post immediately above yours and then reread the post to which I responded.

    • Loislane

      Gloria,

      Sorry to inform you but GEORGE ZIMMERMAN is not WHITE. And how dare you expect Trayvon Martin’s parents to just accept the MURDER of their child like this is normal. So why is white america counting this as a win for them.

      • Gloria

        Did I mention George Zimmerman’s race? I think not. The fact is that his skin appears lighter and had the situation came out opposite than what it did, it would not be newsworthy and that is sad and ridiculous.

        As far as Mr. Martin’s parents, what I meant was that they should divest themselves of those surrounding them who seem to want to make a cause celebre of this case and in so doing bring their own agenda to the forefront of attention thereby extending the pain, rather than allowing the parents to mourn their child and try to live as peacefully as they can.

      • AbdullahtheButcher

        Tragic death, not murder.

      • Jackryanvb

        The Martin’s child was not “murdered”. George Zimmerman was found innocent of murder.

        murder denotes a premeditated intent to kill. Zimmerman had no motive, overwhelming evidence shows that Zimmerman shot Martin while Trayvon was on top of him pounding his head in to the pavement.

        Please Lear the basics of criminal law.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Diane-Thompson/100000062046031 Diane Thompson

    Great article, Bernie — hope everyone reads it!

  • potvin

    The lame stream media is evil.

    • Jackryanvb

      Agreed.

      Consider turning it off completely, get your news from alternative news sites like Vdare dot com Amren dot com occidentaldissent dot com

  • Joe Chernicoff

    There seems to be a real sense of fear within too many of our countrymen, including our president, to use force when an individual is attacked or our country is threatened by external enemies. Martin’s age did not make him less of a threat of serious bodily injury or death than if he were over 21 years, so people should stop calling him a young boy. If Martin did not like Zimmerman confronting him, as part of Zimmerman’s neighborhood watch activities, then Martin should have just walked away – not have thrown a punch..

    Zimmerman’s reaction to becoming a victim of deadly assault is what this country should show when it is victimized by our enemies at home and abroad. Those who call Zimmerman’s response to the deadly assault upon his person immoral are wrong. It is moral to save your life, not lose it.

    For some reason, there seems to be a dislike for that eight letter SECURITY….apparently it is one of those things people talk about but don’t like to have done..

    .

    • Djm975

      Trayvon was 17 (not an adult) and was 5’11” and weighed 158lbs. Zimmerman outweighed him by more than 40 lbs. at the time of the attack and was in his late 20′s. No one knows who started the fight, the only facts are that a witness did see Trayvon on top of Zimmerman punching him some point AFTER the fight had started. I’m sorry, but there is something else no one is saying and that is Zimmerman is a gigantic p*ssy. It is probably the right call that he was found innocent but please don’t make him out to be a hero or even remotely in the right. Do you honestly think, and take a good long gut check, that a 17 year old boy, weighing less than a buck 60, was going to kill a grown man with his bare hands that night? We only have Zimmerman’s word and a few witnesses who pieced parts of the confrontation together. If Zimmerman didn’t have a gun that night do you really think the news story is “28 year old man beat to death by Florida teen in gated community”? Use your common sense. Zimmerman is a coward, the exact opposite of what you want your son to grow up to be. The letter of the law means he is innocent but he’s a pathetic man that caused the needless death of another.

      • Joe Chernicoff

        You’re entitled to your opinion.. should you ever be attacked by a younger person who weighs less than you, don’t worry – according to you, there’s no chance he can harm you….

        • floridahank

          Have you ever seen wrestling matches in high school events were 15-16-17 yr olds are competing? They have tremendous energy and endurance and could probably overcome adults in their 20-30s without any trouble. So size is not particular advantage in any encounter — its the focus, intensity and energy one uses.

      • wally12

        The weight of an individual doesn’t always matter in a fight. If the person who throws the first punch is quick and on target as this case showed, then that person has the advantage since the opposing person is on the ground bleeding, knocked out or nearly so or confused and terrified since he may be afraid of dying especially if the assailant jumps on top of him to finish the job. Zimmerman was in his rights to reach and shoot Trayvon since his life was in danger.

      • floridahank

        Physical size has nothing to do with any of this. A 17yr. old has great energy and strength — way more than you might think. A chubby Zimmerman looks like his strength and endurance is questionable against youth and vigor, so don’t let that be a determining factor. Zimmerman was probably sick and tired of all the break-ins in the condo and probably walked many nights trying to help secure and give safety to the residents. It would be nice to know what his reports for the entire year was and of the reports of crime for the entire condo area. All this should be made public knowledge for us to get a total picture of the event and its meaning.

    • Loislane

      Joe, Trayvon Martin was a 17 year old child, not old enough to vote or purchase liquor, nor could he enter into a contract, by those facts he was a child. The question that many are over looking is why was George Zimmerman out that evening since he was not even supposed to be on “duty”, why didn’t he identify himself as part of the neighborhood watch, and shouldn’t the neighborhood watch be familiar with everyone who lives within their community, why did he get out of his car AFTER the police instructed him not to. I don’t know about you but if a man is driving behind me, pulls over then gets out of his car chases me, ALL without identifying himself wouldn’t you hit him? If your stating that Trayvon was the aggressor I would argue he was defending himself against an unarmed assailant. Would you have responded as Trayvon did of course ANY normal person would. Let’s be clear this jury acquitted George Zimmerman based on the facts presented in this case an acquittal does not mean he is innocent. His biggest crime was he judged Trayvon Martin guilty all because he was black. He didn’t bother to ask the necessary questions has he done so none of this would have happened.

      • Jackryanvb

        Lies.

        Trayvon was a fully grown 17 year old young man 6 ft 160 lbs

  • DanB_Tiffin

    There is so much evidence that has been available online for many many months!
    Zimmerman taped interviews with the local police
    Maps
    Timelines
    Transcripts
    A lot of this blew holes in the liberals sick fantasy.
    Not the lame stream media or even the “better” media pointed anyone in that direction.
    Just say look here folks: _link_ decide for yourselves!
    Not a thing like that, not a thing!

  • Tim Ned

    What is the life expectancy of a white person walking through South Chicago late a night? And what would be the opinion of that white person if they were shot? I believe idiot would be the proper opinion by both white and black people!

    • Coquake

      I’m Canadian and white. I went to Chicago on business once, taking a course out in the suburbs, specifically Glen Ellyn. Since I’d never been in the area before and all the other students in the class were from the area, I asked them for guidelines about where to go in Chicago and where to avoid. The initial answer was that I could go anywhere I liked and it was a safe city. I said that was a nice surprise because I’d heard otherwise. They thought about it for a few seconds and then said, “Of course, you’ll want to stay out of the South Side.” (I asked them what street marked the northern border of the South Side but don’t recall the answer.) Then, a few seconds later, I was told that the West Side was pretty dodgy too and I should avoid it. I got them to tell me the approximate boundaries of the West Side. Then, I was told that there were a lot of rough areas in the North Side and got some kind of boundary. Then I was assured that downtown was alright, as long as I got out by 10 PM; after that, things got a bit crazy. Given that Lake Michigan is on the East Side, I found that the locals had given me very narrow boundaries over where was actually safe for an out-of-towner to go, even though they’d initially said the whole city was safe. I still don’t know what to make of that. (Ultimately, I went downtown with one of the other students for a few hours in the mid-afternoon on Friday when the course was over. Absolutely nothing frightening happened.)

      A couple of years later, I found myself back in Chicago. This time, I was working downtown for the week and stayed right downtown. One evening, I decided to go out for a bit and asked one of the hotel staff, who happened to be black, if there were any areas to avoid. Once again, I was assured that downtown was safe. I stayed within walking distance of the hotel and nothing bad happened to me.

      But I suppose I’d still be too uneasy to go to one of the South Side blues clubs with all that you hear about the South Side.

  • souvoter

    The lame stream media is a disgrace! Doing all they can to stoke the flames of racism that are not there in order to keep Obama’s division tactics going. And Nancy Grace is at the top of the heap, when in reality, they are at the bottom of the barrell. There was a fair trial (except for prosecutors withholding evidence) and Zimmerman was found not guilty. End of story!!!!

    • Jackryanvb

      Agreed. Remember when Nancy Grace shouted that the Duke Lacrosse team members falsely accused of rape should be…

      “Strangled”

      That was another Sharpton fake hate crime hoax.

  • chuck

    This country needs to be careful about being cowed into thinking that racial profiling, in and of itself, is the equivalent of being racist. Another way of describing racial profiling is being discerning, i.e. using our collective experience and good sense to make rational, sound judgements. That’s Zimmerman’s “crime”. If Martin had actually been someone looking for trouble, and Zimmerman did nothing, someone could’ve been needlessly victimized. That can still happen if we’re all too intimidated to use common sense in discerning what is a potential threat and what is not. There’s no perfect system that will work flawlessly every time. But if we do what Jealous and Sharpton and Smiley want, there will be plenty more problems in this country than we have right now, and many more needless victims.

    • Coquake

      “Another way of describing racial profiling is being discerning, i.e.
      using our collective experience and good sense to make rational, sound
      judgements.”

      Even Jesse Jackson does that. In fact, that’s exactly what he’s doing when he says that he doesn’t feel nervous if he finds that the person walking behind him is white but does get anxious if that person is black.

  • Bill Ferrell

    Anyone who followed the trial with an open and logical mind wasn’t surprised with the verdict. The facts and evidence corroborated Zimmerman’s claims of self defense. The facts and evidence clearly showed that there was at least “reasonable doubt” that Zimmerman committed murder. And there were no facts or evidence to disprove his claims. Unfortunately, far too many people were/are invested in turning this into a racial incident to further a radical political agenda. Yes, sadly, we are a nation divided. I beg those on the other side to ask themselves pointedly: “Who benefits by keeping us a nation divided?”

  • James Green

    Waiting for the outrage that comes from Aaron Hernandez killing a black man…

    • Bloviating Ignoramus

      Hernandez is in jail. Zimmerman would have walked away had the liberal media not focused on the story.

  • fraudcop

    Do you think, Bernie, that if Zimmerman, the Hispanic, had been the one strolling through the gated white community and Martin would have been the neighborhood watch guy and the shooter would have been Martin that it would have created as much hysteria as the Zimmerman case did? Me neither. For an example of a lack of media attention on murder cases involving children, google the name of Autumn Pasquale. She was a 12 year old who was murdered in New Jersey last fall. See if there is any national outrage. See if there are any posts on this crime that are even dated this year. Read the articles and it will be clear as to why this was ignored by the national media and the other usual suspects.

    • steve

      To me Zimmerman was following him because he was black, therefore it wouldn’t have happened had Martin have been white. If Martin was white, Zimmerman would have offered him a ride. Not treat the boy alike a criminal

      • Chris

        If someone dresses like a thug and walks in a neighborhood that is not his while he is high as a kite on drugs, late at night……of course, he’s going to look suspicious!

        • Bob Hadley

          High as a kite? You’re making things up. There were trace amounts of MJ found on him, indicating that he had ingested MJ at least a day earlier.

          • Loislane

            Bob,
            O.K. so he was not high then trace amounts means it there was not enough in his system the evening of the event for him to be high…I’m sure you have smoked M.J. before I’m sure everyone on here has…We will NEVER know if Zimmerman was high or not since he was not tested.

          • Bob Hadley

            And your point is __________?

        • Fantria

          he wasn’t high….and it was 7-8pm where are you getting your information?

          • Fantria

            it’s florida too…so 7-8pm this time of year it’s still light outside even in the rain

        • Loislane

          Chris,

          He lived in that neighborhood and had every right to be there. What are you talking about. Because he was wearing a hoodie he was a thug? Again Zimmerman is hispanic. So I don’t know why white america is counting this a win

          • AbdullahtheButcher

            Actually, Martin’s father’s girlfriend was living there. I don’t think the Martins were regular residents.

      • floridahank

        Did Zimmerman tell you this?

    • Loislane

      Fraudcop

      What do you mean if Zimmerman was Hispanic his MOTHER is a CLEAR woman of color. Although he may think he is white he is not his mother was the spanish speaking maid….Please know your facts

      • fraudcop

        Please learn to read. The sentence reads Zimmerman, the Hispanic. Not if. Not if was. If you cant read any better than that, have Clark Kent read it for you.

  • Wheels55

    It is disturbing how many people want this case to be about race when it clearly was not. There are only facts that show Zimmerman was not a racist. However, playing the race card must be fun & profitable (the media, Al Sharpton, etc).
    If Zimmerman was thought to have killed because of race, the FBI would have charged him with a hate crime and Zimmerman would have been convicted of Second degree murder.
    Sadly, Eric holder said today that he will investigate a civil rights violation. Eric, speak with your FBI buddies before you start talking out of your butt.

  • Shane

    Communists, anarchists, and other left wing scumbags are using this killing to stir up the mob. Zimmerman was only guilty of self-defense.

    • Brian_Bayless

      Zimmerman was guilty of being the agitator. He shouldnt have gotten out of the car. I know that is not a crime but if he didnt follow him around, this trial wouldnt exist.

      • Jackryanvb

        Disagree. He was doing his job, monitoring suspicious strangers. Everything he suspected about Trayvon (high on drugs) turned out to be correct.

  • ChiDem

    Let’s remember so historical quotes.

    “”“”There is another class of coloured people who make a
    business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro
    race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out
    of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their
    wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs…I am afraid that there is a certain class of race‑problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public. “”“‑‑ Booker T. Washington

    And who can remember L.B.J.’s famous quotes that are ignored in history:

    “These N*****s, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all
    sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again.”

    “I’ll have those n*****s voting Democratic for the next 200
    years.” LBJ, Democratic President of the United States.

    Todays liberals have fulfilled the dreams of the southern white segregationists. Blacks are encouraged to stay in their own culturally isolated communities. The liberal plantation. They are encouraged to believe they are somehow different and cannot mix with outside communities. Their poor education in liberal cities by over paid union teachers marks them as second class citizens.

    Ever think government dependence programs, corrupt Democratic city politicians, and a biased leftist media would accomplish what
    the white segregationists could not?

    Good reason to despise the left. I hate what they have done to my fellow citizens. I despair when I realize that a typical inner-city resident has no reasonable hope of social mobility, and is stuck in a cycle of government dependence, generation after generation.

    Has anyone seen the media stories of George Zimmerman and his wife mentoring black children who’s father is in prison? Ever see George’s picture with a black prom date?

  • Chrispurs

    If you are walking down a very dark ally, whom would you prefer to be coming the other way GZ or TM? GZ all day for me.

    • steve

      Weird statement from a black man. So I rather walk pass Zimmerman then yourself? Why, how many black teenagers have you shot.

      • Chris

        It’s not a weird statement, it’s an honest one and it shows he can be objective! And it’s a statement 99% of the population would agree with! Crime statistics are not fabricated; they are facts.

        • Loislane

          Statistics are subjective and are always changed. Based on the desired outcome they are changed everyday. I know that was part of my job. It brings in more revenue, allows prisons to be privately funded. NEVER believe facts trust me they are always wrong

      • Loislane

        Steve,
        Chrispurs is ignorant and has nothing to say on this case for some strange reason he TRULY believes he is an exception to the Zimmerman stalk any black man rule he does not know he is a walking Trayvon Martin.

  • Gman213

    Yup!

  • Haaseline

    When are going to stop the liberal media or Sharptons of the world stop bringing color into the picture….this was bad regardless of color….This a pure case of 2 male hot heads wanting to show whose was bigger. (more like this to come) Anger is the #1 killer in our country!! And Anger is the #1 stoppage for anything getting done in our government… they set the poorest example..

    • fraudcop

      They are NOT going to stop. Because the media likes it and because it earns them millions of dollars in speaking fees. You don’t think they jet around the country on their own dime, do ya?

      • Haaseline

        There are cats calling these folk out . Like i heard a black conservative tell Sharpton his race card has expired.. More conservative blacks need to stand up to their mob.. I though Allan West did a great job on OReilly last night !!

  • Jairo A Puentes

    The guilty parties are the black leaders, the liberal media, the prosecutors, the DOJ and President Obama. All of them are contributing to the divide. Black leaders like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and company like the NACCP are the most racist groups in America. They are the anti thesis of MLK. They promote hate for their own benefit. Using hate against whites, keeps their herd cohesive and vulnerable to their brainwashing. They complain of the killing of a young black man in the hands of a Hispanic white man but they do nothing about the killings of thousands of young men and women in the hands of blacks. They are hypocrites as the liberal media. It is despicable for the liberal media to promote hate between the races, to improve their ratings and fill up their coffers. NBC is the prime example. To punish these merchants in hate, the public should stop watching their channels and calling companies to stop advertising with them. They are destroying the harmony of the cultures and racial relations in America.
    The prosecutors and politicians, including the President are guilty of violating the civil rights of Mr Zimmerman. They want to use the Feds to file civil rights violations when the FBI already determined Zimmerman was not a racist. Why blacks and the NACCP didn’t ask for a civil rights investigation when OJ Simpson killed two innocent white people. Instead they celebrated the freedom of a killer. All lives are precious but for black leaders only the lives of a black man killed by a white is worthy and the lives of whites killed by a black are unworthy as OJ did and blacks celebrated.

    • DonaldYoungsRevenge

      Let the truth be known, if Obama had a son he would have looked more like Zimmerman NOT Martin. Obama is 50% White, 43.25% Arab and 6.75% African/Negro. If the NY TIMES and CNN and all the other retarded liberal networks can call Zimmerman White we can call Obama a White-Arab. Just using the liberal logic here.

      • Loislane

        Donald,

        An individuals alleles are random. And your logic is seriously flawed I would suggest you better educate yourself before posting on race again. LOL 43.25% Arab, that is just plain ignorant. LOL let’s be VERY clear here Arabs are not a race, and Arabs classify themselves as being from the African Diaspora. The Middle East is part of African and in case you didn’t know so is Egypt. There fore they are African so lets conclude this lesson on race. According to America’s census racial classification Zimmerman would ACTUALLY would be classified as Black. Since his mother is a Hispanic woman of color. One would naturally conclude that she has ancestor’s derived from Africa. Finally, I would strongly doubt that if Obama had a son that he would look more like Zimmerman, since Mrs Obama is clearly more African than not, he kids would favor him in terms of color. As does his daughters

        • AbdullahtheButcher

          Zimmerman’s mother is, I think, 3/4 Mestiza, and 1/4 Afro-Peruvian.

      • AbdullahtheButcher

        Kenneth Lamb is not a reliable source. Obama is half Luo, and they’re a black african ethnic group, not Arab. Have you seen a pic of Obama’s father? Guy looked totally black African.

  • ksp48

    Now that I’ve read most of the comments I can only say that I’m astonished at how ill informed many of the posters are. Even after the trial, evidence and verdict, some just prefer to post the same inaccuracies over and over.

  • keyster

    The Race Baiter narrative is that the white justice system has been rigged against blacks for so long, why shouldn’t it now be rigged FOR them? That was the “message” sent by the OJ jury. “Social Justice” is reparations for slavery and Jim Crow laws.

  • ksp48

    Bernie, you seem to be wrong on this one. Regardless of whether it would have been reasonable for Zimmerman to have ‘profiled’ Martin based on his race, Zimmerman did not. He was comfortable with people of all races and he had previously “profiled” others of all races on his Neighborhood Watch. Jesse Jackson might be thankful that its a white guy when he hears footsteps at night, and it may in fact be quite reasonable, but Zimmerman did not.

  • joepotato

    This case was a convenient distraction from the many scandals and treasonous behavior of the Soebama regime and the traitors in congress protecting his shady past and unknown citizenship… People are awakening to the fraud… The BSM is just protecting der fuhrer and his enablers…

  • Seattle Sam

    This case was about whether there was “reasonable doubt” concerning the prosecution’s assertion that Zimmerman acted in a calculated manor in killing Martin. There very clearly was. That’s just how criminal law works. The prosecution has to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. That lends a bias in favor of freeing the guilty versus punishing the innocent. That can be very frustrating at times.

    • nickshaw

      Frustrating? Maybe to the falsely charged Zimmerman.

  • Drew Page

    You make a pretty strong indictment about Zimmerman profiling Martin because he was black. I would accept your statement if you included the word ‘probably’.
    I do agree with your conclusion that this killing didn’t need to happen. Zimmerman could have notified the police of his suspicions and remained in his vehicle until police arrived. For one reason or another he followed Martin, certainly before calling the police and perhaps even after being told to return to his vehicle. On the other hand, Martin could have responded differently if and when confronted by Zimmerman. It is unlikely that Zimmerman inflicted the injuries to his face and the back of his head himself. Two things that didn’t need to happen, did. The results are certainly more devastating to Martin and his family than to Zimmerman and his family. Zimmerman being the adult should have known better and not engaged Martin. He didn’t have the authority to do so. Martin could have handled the situation differently by not getting violent, but he was a teenager and perhaps a little too macho. either way, Zimmerman was more responsible for the outcome of this than Martin.
    The local politicians caved in to political pressure and the prosecution overcharged Zimmerman. Had he been charged with reckless endangerment, he most likely would have been convicted.

    • nickshaw

      My God! You sound just like the prosecutor. “Could have”, “authority” and any number of words that don’t correspond to “fact”.
      I’ll accept that racial profiling may indeed have been at play here regarding Zimmerman’s state of mind, for exactly the reason’s Bernie posits. There is also evidence that Martin did the same thing.
      Did you look at the geography of the area where this took place? GZ lost sight of TM in an area with multiple exits so, as a good neighbor (forget all the pap about Neighborhood Watch rules and recommendations) he got out of his truck, while still on the phone with the police, to see where a suspicious character might have gone.
      Tell me, who stays on the phone with the cops while “stalking” someone?
      I see a guy with genuine concern for his neighbors and maybe, a tad reckless.
      To think Zimmerman wanted it to turn out the way it did is to believe he is wily as a fox!
      Who waits for X number of punches, X number of head poundings on concrete before he springs his trap?
      The continuous screams for help were a nice touch too. They went on for quite some time! Do you think he wanted people to come running to watch him shoot the black kid?
      And don’t even think TM was doing the screaming for help. The guy doing the pounding is never the one wanting help.
      Nope, this was TM thinking he could play the knockout game on a “creepy ass cracker” like his bros (that’s why he kept his girlfriend on the line. For proof of how manly he was) and it turned out he wasn’t very good at it.

    • DonaldYoungsRevenge

      It the young man Martin went home to get out of the rain and to deliver the skittles and tea and watch the All Star game there would have been no incident. Why all the weight on Zimmerman. Martin had plenty of time to run to his Daddy.

    • Bob Hadley

      A deft analysis, Drew!

    • Shane

      Profiling is not illegal and it is something people and police do every day. It makes sense to suspect a young black male of being a criminal since their crime rate is so high.

    • iopiopiop

      Zimmerman thought he was a safe distance from Martin to watch from where he went but due to the fact Martin doubled back to kick his A— it didn’t work out that way. Proved in court BTW with the 4 minute delay that is only explained by Martin doing something for 4 minutes besides going home.
      Saying Zimmerman tempted Martin is just trying to ease your conscious that Zimmerman was partially responsible. Zimmerman was the one hunted at the end by a depraved teenager who was disrespected by a man much smaller than him and he decided to pick on this easily defeat-able (armed) man and ended up making a fatal mistake and unlucky that Zimmerman could fire before being knock out.

      • Brian_Bayless

        Are you seriously trying to portray Zimmerman as a victim? He doesnt act like he is law enforcement, this doesnt happen.

  • k962

    Let’s put a face on a Black kid from Chicago by the name of Darryl Green! Darryl was 17 also and the the street thugs wanted him to join a gang Darryl refused to join, for his refusal Darryl was shot to death and his body was dumped in a abandoned house! Nobody cares about Darryl, who didn’t want to live the thug life! There are no seek justice for Darryl marches! Nobody cares because his murderers were black!

    • Seattle Sam

      I wouldn’t say that nobody cares about Darryl Green. He just doesn’t serve the purposes of the race-baiters, so you’re not going to hear about their concern on the television. If your premise is that racial animosity is at the root of any white-black killing ,then you’re going to ignore all the incidents where this couldn’t possibly be the case.

      Conservatives are convinced that Big Government is bad for us. They’re not naturally attracted to publicizing cases where government does something exceptionally well (admittedly they’re harder to find).

    • Wil

      Hey k962, Organize the march, I’ll march with you.

  • Joe

    If Trayvon was white we would never even heard of this, read about this unfortunate circumstance and certainly would not have been broadcast every day in the national media. Did Mr. Zimmerman circumvent a direct order of the police? Yes he did. Was he overzealous in his “job description”? Yes he was. But I ask everyone, who is or are the racist????? Now the NAACP is flexing their muscle with the AG’s office to file a civil suit. Would they have considered the same for a white victim????? What exactly do they think they will achieve from this action? From my readings, Mr. Zimmerman has no assets to speak of??? Oh the tax payers will finance another witch hunt!!!

    • k962

      Now it is down to pure persecution, with a lynch mob mentality !

    • Reese

      Joe you can’t be serious? If a grown black man had shot a young white kid because he looked suspicious…this would not been all over the news. Do you think he would have got off?

      • nickshaw

        How can you be so…disingenuous?
        Martin wasn’t shot because he looked suspicious. He was shot because he beating a guy up and telling him he was going to die.
        A black man would have got off too. It would clinch it if he was a part of the Neighborhood Watch and protested the cops treatment of a white guy.
        But, neither of those things are about to happen.
        We know how blacks and lib’ruls feel about “snitches”.

        • Reese

          Beating up a guy and saying he is going to kill him, according to George Zimmerman. Here is the bottom line. Trayvon was not in the commission of a crime, Zimmerman called the police, and that should have been it. There was no reason for him to pursue Trayvon after the phone call to police. Also, it is most likely that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. I say this because he was the one that followed Trayvon and had issue with Trayvon being in “his” neighborhood. You shouldn’t be able to start a fight and then get shoot the person if things are not going your way.

          • Fantria

            thank you for that reese and i notice 30 minutes have passed and noone who backs zimmerman in this has replied to you yet….

          • Dave123

            Whoa!, big leap to Zimmer started it.

            Travon was referring to him as a creepy kill your neighbor cracker, sounds like he could have been the aggressor (obviously first to bring race into it).

            Travon beat him up, so you need it to be Zimmerman that started it. It just has to be. Otherwise Zimmerman has cause.

            I can admit I don’t know, I wasn’t there, you haven’t learned your limitation as yet.

            Jury found him innocent of all charges. Free to go.

          • Bob Hadley

            A not guilty finding does NOT equal innocent. Not guilty means that there was at least a reasonable

          • Dave123

            If the stigma of guilt accompanies all “not guilty” verdicts (since juries legally cannot find the party “innocent”), what are you to do if accused of a crime?

            He is free to go. His life however, is over.

          • Bob Hadley

            Legally, OJ didn’t butcher Ron and Nicole, but we can still opine that he’s a murderer. Yes, a party may be truly innocent, but still considered guilty by many even when he’s acquitted

            Hey, there’s a lot of sadness in this world.

      • Stimpy

        There was a story about a group of rowdy white kids OUTSIDE the home of a black man. The black man came out and ended up shooting and killing a white dude. No charges filed except maybe for a gun issue. No news story. Nothing to see, move along. I thought you had to be in your ‘castle’ to defend it.

        • Reese

          I have never heard of this case. If what you are saying is true, it is a travesty, regardless of race. Can you provide names, dates, etc. I would like to look into this.

    • steve

      If he was white Zimmerman wouldn’t have followed him, therefore he would still be alive

      • floridahank

        Steve. and you know this how?

        • steve

          Because Zimmerman has called the police many times, but never against a white person

          • Dave123

            That would make him just like Jesse Jackson in Bernie’s article.

          • floridahank

            Has this been a racial coverup, or is it because no white kids are walking around at night in people’s back yards?
            I need to know the total facts…no redacted reports…only the total untouched reports. Only authentic, original reports are acceptable — no copies are accepted, so show your verification.

          • steve

            You’re right white kids don’t go out at 7pm at night and definitely don’t cut threw peoples property. I am white, me and all my white friends used to have field partys in high school. Should we have been shot also?

          • Bob Hadley

            Trayvon was traversing the common area for all residents in that complex. If you have such a strong argument, why do you keep making things up?.

        • Bob Hadley

          This was disclosed by numerous journalists. I haven’t heard anyone deny this.

          • floridahank

            What this brought out in court, or simply stated by our unbiased journalists. Paraphrased from the movie with Cuba and Tom…..”Show me the money.” No talk, no hearsay, no rumors…..show me the facts. Do you actually believe everything you read in the news or hear on TV? Wow….I’ve got some property in S.Fla. that I’d like to sell you sight unseen.

          • steve

            There is no such thing as unbiased journalist. We all have option’s, it’s just who’s side you’re on

          • floridahank

            I expect some slanting of the news, but an honest journalist will present the facts openly, and not let his opinions become biased journalism — of which there are very few.

          • Bob Hadley

            In other words, there are very few journalists who feed your pre-conceptions of the truth.

          • floridahank

            Bob….no….there are very few journalists who give the facts the way they want to….if they want to editorialize, let them do it on the editorial page….not in the news sections where only facts should be given. Most journalists definitely have a very strong background in one form or another and it makes them biased and not truthful.

          • Bob Hadley

            You’re thinking in extremes. Just because you don’t believe EVERYTHING journalists say on TV means you believe NOTHING journalists say on TV? It’s everything or nothing, right?

            More likely than not, you believe only what you want to believe. What you don’t want to believe, you hold to impossibly high standards.

            I tend to believe that report about Zimmerman because several journalists made it at several different times, and I’ve heard nothing to the contrary.

            BTW, how do you know what your birthdate is? Do you believe everything you’re told or based on what others say?

            How do you know you weren’t born in Kenya? Do you believe everything people tell you or a document based on what other people say?

            How do you know that there’s a U. S. constitution? Do you really believe what others tell you or documents based on what others say?

    • Jairo A Puentes

      OJ Simpsom killed two innocent whites. Where was the outrage from the NACCP and their investigation for civil rights violations by OJ. Why did blacks celebrated the killing of two white innocent people? Who are the racists? Who are the hypocrites? They are the antithesis of MLK.

    • steve

      If he can afford one of OJ’s lawyers, he sure has money somewhere. Besides anything he makes from now on can be taken

  • Dave123

    How do you people add these hypotheticals to get Travon to be in the right?

    We know that Travon approached the “cracker” from his girl friends testimony. We know Travon had injuries to his hands, none on body. Zimmerman had injuries on head none on hands.

    Witness did see Travon on top ,at one point, raining down MMA elbows.

    How can you add stuff you didn’t see? Maybe Z did hunt him down, but the evidence doesn’t support it. Far more likely that Travon went after Zimmerman and got carried away with his MMA fantasy.

    Dont give me that boy argument either. I shutter to think what Thomas Hit Man Hearns would have done to me at 17 (and he was 6 foot 140 pounds!)

    • steve

      Maybe he should have drove away instead of getting out of the car. Seems to me that Zimmerman approached the boy

      • Dave123

        We don’t know that, another hypothetical.
        But even so, you can beat me up if I get out of my car?

        I should be able to ask you what you are up to. When you say returning to my house with Skittles, I can say please walk the street and stay off our residents property, you may be mistaken for a criminal in the future.

        Then you should leave.

        • steve

          What are you talking about?? Tyrone was walking to his dads house not to Zimmermans house

          • Dave123

            His name is Travon and we know he was going to his dads house with Skittles?

            Please re-read slower.

          • Dave123

            Or thats what he said.

            If I play you guys hypothetical game…..
            he was casing his next house to hit, and the jewelry that was found in his locker was from his prior heists.

            I can make crap up too. Lets stick to facts.

          • brewster01

            With Skittles and water mellon tea which Martin’s phone records show he liked to mix the two with cough syrup to make a hallucinogen called ‘lean’ or ‘purple drank’

          • Fantria

            what does that have to do with anything? what he may or may not have been doing with his purchases?

          • Gunny2862

            Actually Martin was walking to his dad’s girlfriends house in the gated community and on the basis of being a new guest of a resident of a gated community should have been expected to understand that he might be approached on that basis alone.

          • nickshaw

            He didn’t “understand” that at all, Gunny.
            It’s hard to think with that big chip on your shoulder.

          • floridahank

            Was he trespassing on other people’s property, past their back window? Many questions to be considered. Why didn’t he walk on the sidewalk. I would not want somebody walking past my back window at night. Can be asking for trouble if he’s on other people’s property anyway.

          • Bob Hadley

            Martin wasn’t trespassing. He was traversing the common area. His Dad lived there.

          • floridahank

            We don’t know the regulations for that condo. Perhaps they stated that people shouldn’t be waking past other people’s back windows, esp. at nighttime. Also, why didn’t he use the sidewalk as most normal people do?

          • Bob Hadley

            How do you know most normal people use the sidewalk? Show me the money. I don’t want gossip, innuendo, over-generalizations, etc. I just want well-documented, cold hard facts. Sound familiar?

            BTW, look at the lay-outs of the complex. Even if he had used the sidewalk, he still would have gone past people’s back windows. In fact, he would have been closer.

            You seem determined to convict Trayvon. Try taking a dispassionate view of the facts.

          • floridahank

            I live in an apartment complex and I and most of the people use the sidewalk rather than walk on the grass area. I don’t know of Martin’s project layout, so I can’t comment on that. About my “convicting Trayvon” I only know what I read….but I’m certain that when all the facts become public, there will be surprises that nobody expected. Whatever is heard in the courtroom cannot be accepted as the truth and nothing but the truth… We know that lawyers always work for the good of their client and not always for justice.

          • Bob Hadley

            Well……………..then maybe you and others in your living complex aren’t “normal people.” :) I’m joking.

            But, I’d bet it’s fairly normal for 17 year-olds to take short-cuts across the grass. I’m quite a bit older than that, and sometimes I still take short-cuts.

          • floridahank

            Hey Bob….I’m not making any more comments until I read some of the stories that will be published in numerous magazines where most of the facts and unknown (now) information is made public. Not all that was used in the courthouse is enough to make a final judgment of the outcome.

    • Fantria

      why did he even bother the kid in the first place? you called the police because you were suspicious…that’s the end of your authority….why get out of a vehicle after the real authorities told you to stay your ass in the vehicle? regardless of what trayvon did, you are the adult and in the safety of your vehicle..if you are suspicious, keep an eye on him from your vehicle…there was no reason for you to get out

      • Dave123

        Why can’t I watch where you are walking in my neighborhood?

        I have to stay in my car or you can beat my as$?
        Where is that law written?

        What crime did Zimmerman commit that you know about, not one you guess about?

        • Wil

          What crime did Zimmerman commit that you know about, not one you guess about?>>

          How about he murdered a black boy!

          • nickshaw

            Sure. Go back to watching MSNBC or Nancy Grace for your cookie.

          • Wil

            I watched the trial, what did you watch FoxNews?

          • nickshaw

            Instead of NBC, HLN, ABC or MSNBC who consciously edited video to make Zimmerman sound like a racist?
            Sure ’nuff!

          • Wil

            ’nuff said!

          • Dave123

            You really think Zimmerman meant to kill a “black boy” that night?

            Sad world, irreconcilable difference.

          • Wil

            Don’t really know, but he did!

          • Jeff Webb

            It is actually a fact that he didn’t murder anyone, Wil.

            So, again, what crime did Zimmerman commit?

          • Fantria

            it is actually not a fact….because he was not convicted of murder does not mean he did not commit murder because 6 women in florida say it didn’t happen does not mean it didn’t happen despite what the evidence is or how it played out this only says that zimmerman had better attorneys…that’s all

          • Jeff Webb

            I understand your position here, ksp, but Wil said that murder was committed, as if it were fact.

            Here’s the fact that matters: after all evidence was shown and witness testimony was heard, it was legally determined he was not a murderer. It’s just that Wil isn’t worth that many syllables.

            There are many, many things that could explain someone’s death: murder, suicide, manslaughter, car accident, stroke, heart attack. etc etc. I could argue that just because Trayvon was shot doesn’t mean that caused his death. For all you know he could’ve had an undetected congenital defect that, combined with his pot usage and candy consumption, caused his heart to stop coincidentally when he suffered what would have been a non-fatal gun shot wound. It’s irrelevant.

          • Bob Hadley

            Legally, it’s a fact that Zimmerman didn’t commit Murder 2 or manslaughter. After all, the legal system has spoken on this.

            Factually, what happened? We may never know. Everyone fills in the blanks differently.

        • Fantria

          are you serious right now??? there was a situation…he called the police and was told to stay in the vehicle….. where do you come off with “where is that law written?” if u even bothered reading what i said i said ok, you are suspicious YOU CAN KEEP AN EYE ON HIM FROM YOUR VEHICLE. so how do you get to “why can’t i watch where you are walking in my neighborhood?” the fact of the matter is an adult, a neighborhood watchman and someone with aspirations of joining the police force screwed up. can you honestly sit here and tell me this man handled this situation responsibly? and regardless of how you or i THINK it went down….no way a kid should’ve died that night i dont see where it was that trayvon dragged zimmerman out of his vehicle….so he got out on his own against what he was told. and who are you to say there were no words exchanged that prompted trayvon to go back to zimmerman and punch him….it seems odd to me that someone would just swing on someone just because. sure it’s possible but is that really likely? zimmerman didn’t say anything even under his breath to anger a 17 yr old boy? c’mon people play the scenario out in your head….

          • Dave123

            What do you suggest he said under his breath that warranted this angel to go crazed MMA ground and pound on Zimmerman?

          • Fantria

            ok see, stop right there….i never called this kid an angel. and it does not matter what zimmerman maybe said under his breath, anything may have got this child heated at that particular point….do you suggest that trayvon just went and punched him for no apparent reason unprovoked? is that what YOU suggest happened?? does that even make sense to you??? i simply said i believe that something had to have happened for a kid to go punch an adult….i have had many times in my life where a situation is somewhat diffused and then someone says something slick under their breath or even i say something slick and the other person’s anger comes right back and the next line from my mouth or theirs is “what did you say?” or even “what the F did you say?” either you’ve been in that situation or you’ve seen that situation played out and what happens next is sometimes physical

          • Dave123

            Maybe Travon did that to Zimmerman.

            And I doubt Travon saw Zimmerman as an “adult” or authority figure. Who ever started the physical altercation was wrong, but we can’t prove who.

            Jury went with Zimmerman.

          • Bob Hadlley

            All we know is that the jury found at least a reasonable doubt.

            The jury could have thought that Zimmerman was probably guilty of murder2 or manslaughter but had a doubt they deemed to be reasonable.

          • Dave123

            My point all along, better to let a guilty man go free than condemn an innocent man.

            Lets not condemn Zimmerman, he might be telling the truth, and there is no evidence to say otherwise, just conjecture.

          • Fantria

            now that i can get on board with…. but my opinion hasn’t changed… the child did not deserve to die that night…and zimmerman did not handle himself like a responsible GUN OWNING, neighborhood watch, aspiring cop and adult

          • Bob Hadley

            Yes, we need to accept the jury’s verdict and move on. read all my posts, the thing I’ve condemned Zimmerman for is following Martin in the first instance. Zimmerman admitted that much.

          • Fantria

            wow…just….wow….

            trayvon said something slick which angered trayvon….which then provoked trayvon to go back to zimmerman and punch zimmerman who just got punched for no reason..said nothing…did nothing right?…..just wow….

        • steve

          I thought stalking was a crime,

          • Dave123

            A person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

            He’s the neighborhood watch guy, and not repeated.

          • floridahank

            Maybe George didn’t have a good view of where Martin was walking towards and it can give George reason to get out and watch him closer. Might that have been reason for Martin to confront him and start hitting him? Perhaps the black didn’t like the white looking at him and that was the reason for the fight. Human nature, especially when it involves black and white can get out of hand quickly. So unless you were in the courthouse you don’t know the facts, but apparently the jury did.

      • Gunny2862

        Let’s go to the facts please? Trayvon had 4 minutes after walking around Zimmermans vehicle where he had left Zimmerman’s sight and could have gone home. Trayvon instead chose to go back to the person who was no longer following him and punch him in the nose in what is commonly called a sucker punch. You can skip the fact that Zimmerman had left his vehicle to walk in a different direction than Martin had left in, to go find the address on a dark and rainy night and that Martin them came back and started the second encounter with Zimmerman if you choose to but it doesn’t change the facts that he was safe, unseen, and could easily have gone home. It wasn’t Zimmerman following that led to M’s death it was M coming back and initiating a physical altercation.

        • Wil

          That’s Zimmerman’s story, but not the proven facts!

          • Gunny2862

            Thanks to the trial those ARE the “proven” facts, there may be facts we don’t know, certainly true.
            But, there is way to much conjecture that creates scenarios that contradict the physical evidence and that, that is known by cell phone and 911 records an eyewitness testimony.
            I can live with reasonable speculation that fits in with what can be known, but its the pure conjecture that contradicts what is known that I find offensive.

          • Wil

            There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know.

            Donald
            Rumsfeld

      • floridahank

        Fantria, you actually don’t know what happened the way you think you do, or if so, how do you know it? Did Martin say something to George? We don’t know.

        • Fantria

          some people just want to put words in my mouth. not once did i imply that i know what happened any more than anyone here. i simply said why did the child hit the adult? did he just walk up for no apparent reason and swing on this guy? i then said that is possible but unlikely…then i said in my opinion zimmerman had to have done or said something to provoke this child to go and hit him. please explain to me how this is me thinking i know better than anyone here? everything i’ve said is my common sense opinions…i’m not spewing facts i read or saw on some media outlet…i’m taking the scenario and voicing an opinion.

          • floridahank

            You said, “..if you are suspicious, keep an eye on him from your vehicle…there was no reason for you to get out.”
            Well do you think that maybe there were bushes or trees so he couldn’t always see Martin… a possibility?

            Then you said, “…then i said in my opinion zimmerman had to have done or said something to provoke this child to go and hit him.”

            Why would you say something like that — there’s no basis for fact, but you’re assuming that that’s the way you want to have happened –and you’re carrying it out to its maximum. Your opinion seem to want to show a provoking action or something that George (HAD TO HAVE DONE OR SAID) — that sounds like a factual pronouncement not an assumption — and in fact it could have been the exact opposite that Martin said something racial to George when they looked at each other. Has Martin ever shown hostility towards whites his past record, or is he a passive kid who never gets into fights? Will be interesting to read about his background and his school records when it all comes out soon now that the case is over and everything is free to be discussed and evaluated.

            You said, “…i’m not spewing facts i read or saw on some media outlet…i’m taking the scenario and voicing an opinion.”

            When people give opinions that can cause violence or harm they should be ready to take on the responsibility of their actions — if your one-sided opinions is multiplied by many others, it can cause uninformed people to cause riots and much damage. — so why not wait for the facts before you say things that may be totally wrong. People who are rational don’t make remarks that can be injurious to innocent people, which the court found to be for George.

            You’re the kind of person who seems to want to stir up things when in facts things should be calmed down.

          • Fantria

            you win hank i’m the one here stirring things up…i’m calling people names and screaming racial injustice and everything else right? i posed some questions as to why this kid was killed. unlike the many many others on this thread i never cared or brought up any race issues i never brought up anyone’s background or past. i looked at the situation as a single incident. i am bias towards trayvon…sure. but if u read any of my posts at all you will know my bias is for the reason that a child was killed…all my posts are asking why a child was killed..not a black child, not a “thug” child but a child. not by a white man or hispanic man but by an adult. and i mean bushes or trees possibly obscuring his view? again i ask a question…why do you need to see him still? you called the cops you know what he’s wearing, when the police show up you can tell them what direction the kid went and all the other info. when have you ever seen someone say something insulting to someone then THEY go attack that someone? doesn’t it make more sense that zimmerman said something and then trayvon attacked him? and let’s even say trayvon said something first THEN zimmerman said something back…this is a 17 year old kid…we are all young dumb smartasses at 17, my daughter is 16 and she’s a pain in the ass with her funky attitude and smart mouth i know she has an attitude but you as an adult have no right to confront my child for any reason as an adult YOU walk away, leave it alone that child’s brain is still developing…the grown man IF there was verbal spatting back and forth or by just one of them as an adult you should know better. and at the time of the incident none of trayvon’s background even matters….zimmerman doesn’t know his background at the time of the incident. has trayvon ever shown hostility towards whites? i dont know…i never mentioned anything like that in a post but on that same note from what i read here zimmerman has called the police on only black kids before but that’s not something i mentioned in any post either because i dont know if either is true or not and neither is relevent to my argument of why did a child get killed

          • floridahank

            You said, “this is a 17 year old kid…we are all young dumb smartasses at 17″
            Yeah….there are dumb smartasses….and there are other kinds of dumb smartasses….who like to go beyond that and would just as easily hit you as say something. Wait until we get all the facts about Martin’s background to see if he was the kind of kid who didn’t stop just by being a smartass…it’ll all come out shortly.
            Many things are not allowed in a court hearing — and that doesn’t mean that it’s not important when trying to understand the behavior or action of a person. And I want to know it all about Martin and Zimmerman and I’m sure we’ll get a more truthful understanding (maybe not all) of what happened.
            Why didn’t Martin use the sidewalk instead of walking past people’s back windows?

        • Fantria

          even in the post you replied to, i asked questions….i never said this is what happened then this happened… my post is why did you do this? why did that happen?

      • Fantria

        and secondly, if u were suspicious that he was up to no good. by him noticing you noticing him, IN MY OPINION (before i get in trouble with people saying i think i know everything) in my opinion that effectively stops any shenanigans the kid may or may not have been up to. if you are a child about to do something unlawful or whatever, u notice an adult keeping an eye on you…do you continue with your unlawful plans? zimmerman’s presence alone i think should’ve been enough until police arrived

        • Dave123

          So what did Travon do for the 4 minutes? He had opportunity to flee and chose not to, that is why Zimmerman is a free man.

          Zimmerman obviously should have stayed in the car, he can’t handle himself. Doesn’t mean we live in a world where everything is your fault if you are standing outside watching.

          Travon circled back, never should have done that.
          Should have gone home and watched the game.

          Zimmerman is an idiot, he voted for Obama, but you people saying he’s murderer are sad.

          Bad judgement isn’t a crime.

          The instigator of a violent physical altercation is to blame. Based on opportunity to flee and evidence I think it was a pi$$ed off Travon. But I will never truly know.

    • Brian_Bayless

      Your MMA/Trayvon comparison is just fantasy too

      • Dave123

        Thats what the only live witness testified to, pay attention.

        Eye witness account is fantasy to you people but you are positive Zimmerman jumped the little angle, just because it makes sense in your head.

        The downfall of society. Get your head out of your butt and get in the real world.

        Professional Victim Society.

  • 1940voter

    great distraction for the uneducated masses to focus on. The president cares,he feels our pain, he is us. Well I wonder if he felt the pain of the 4 Americans being killed in Benghazi? I wonder if he feels that pain on Monday mornings when he reads the local reports in Chicago? I wonder if he feels that pain when the caskets come back from Afghanistan.? ME thinks he does not, he’s to busy getting ready for his next vacation.

    • steve

      Its hardly Obamas fault, that caskets are coming home from a war that started 7 years before he was elected. America has always been a mess

    • nickshaw

      I wonder if he made a sympathy call to the mother, whose baby was shot while sitting in her stroller, by the black kid (younger than TM).
      I’mma’ guessin’, no.

    • Fantria

      @1940voter i’m so sick and tired of this argument….”it’s raining in toledo….blame obama” would you please just stop. this thread has NOTHING to do with obama…but here you come contributing NOTHING to the actual topic…just spewing blame obama nonsense. why have you not condemned bush for the war he started that is currently sending caskets home? or why haven’t you blamed bush for the economic crisis that started under his watch??? why dont you question whether bush “felt our pain” when airplanes crashed into buildings under his watch…. i hope your name doesnt mean that you were born in 1940 because if that’s the case….shame on you for that post…you should know better

      • 1940voter

        Lets get some facts –Obama was going to heal, Obama was going to walk on water. Obama has been in office for 5 yrs and what has he accomplished? He has never taken responsibility for any of his actions. he has never owned anything except a huge travel budget. I think history will show that Obama as the great divider not healer. I also think that you live in that liberal bubble, hope your covered up when it bursts.Obama is like the emporers news clothes , invisible.

        • Fantria

          all that rabble and still no acknowledgement of what the other guy did….look up bush’s travel, you will see that he spent more days on vacation and spent more money on vacations than any president in history….look it up…that is a fact….if you’re gonna tell it, tell it ALL…
          and dont just assume i support obama

          • 1940voter

            Fact–most of GWB vacation travels was to his ranch–not $100 million dollars for a shopping trip for moucchie and her minions

          • Fantria

            Those who criticize the cost of Obama’s Christmas vacation don’t want
            you to know that George W. Bush spent at least $20 million taxpayer
            dollars just on flights to his ranch in Crawford

            He was the most expensive
            vacation president in US history. Not only did Bush spend more days on
            vacation than any other president, but he used Air Force One more often
            while on vacation than any other president.

            During Bush’s two
            terms, the cost of operating Air Force One ranged from $56,800 to
            $68,000 an hour. Bush used Air Force One 77 times to go to his ranch in
            Crawford, TX. Using the low end cost of $56,800, Media Matters
            calculated that each trip to Crawford cost taxpayers $259,687 each time,
            and $20 million total for Bush’s ranch flights.

            who is “moucchie”? and show me proof of this 100 million dollar shopping spree

          • Bob Hadley

            What about the exorbitant cost of First Lady Laura Bush taking her daughters on a safari in Africa?

            Get a grip. Any ideologue on either side can easily play that game. If you don’t like Pres. Obama, just say so and say why. If you don’t like his policies, just say so. If the picture of him painted by the Obama-haters scares you, just say so.

          • 1940voter

            I don’t like his policies and the fact that he ask’s everyone to make sacrifices then he jets off. I don’t like the lies ,corruption, policies and minions of race baiters that he supports. I don’t like the way he has let this country slide into a totalitarian state. Now ask me how I really feel

          • Bob Hadley

            No, I’m asking why you feel the way you do. I bet if you were to try to back-up some of your accusations (e.g. lies, corruption, asking for sacrifice then “jetting off”), you’d list things that are common or similar to things in previous administrations of both parties.

            I can understand you vehemently opposing his policies, but all that other stuff seems petty.

          • 1940voter

            It’s the totality of Obama and his arrogance towards others

          • Fantria

            you’ve just said a whole lot of nothing…

          • 1940voter

            you think so? well let me tell you when the food stamps stop and the other peoples money stops what will you?

          • Fantria

            just bow out gracefully 1940voter…you’ve been schooled by bob hadley

          • Bob Hadley

            Like I say, if you were to try give examples of Pres. Obama’s supposed arrogance, you would probably list things that were common or similar to other presidents of both parties.

            Whenever I ask an Obama-hater to give specific reasons for their hatred of him, I get ridiculous examples that apply to other presidents. For example, one thing I hear is “He lied when he said he’d cut the deficit in half during his first term. ”

            First, it wasn’t a lie. It was a broken promise. What about Pres. GW Bush campaigning in 2000 against nation-building? Did you also hate Pres. GW Bush? Bush acted arrogant at times.

            Pres. Obama made the promise when the deficit was a few hundred billion. When he took office, however, the projected deficit was $1.2 trillion. And, now, that deficit has almost been cut in half. That’s something Fox News won’t tell you.

            I don’t know why so much hatred is spewed at Pres. Obama. Again, I understand vehement opposition to his policies. But visceral hatred???? Much the same hatred was spewed at Pres. Clinton from the moment he took office in 1993.

          • 1940voter

            It’s the totality of Obama and his arrogance towards others

  • Tom P.

    Mr. Goldberg, your summing up of this tragic happening is the best I’ve read OR heard. Thank you.

  • Bob Savittieri

    Is Pres Barack Obama a White African Americanlike GZ is a white Hispanic. This whole thing is frivolous and just a deflection from the real problems; Begazhi, NSA , IRS, Fast & Furious. This has occupied the news for how many cycles now???

    • steve

      We have a term for half white half black, it’s called Latino

      • nickshaw

        Uh, no, there are some who use mongrel. Mostly New Black Pampers members, of course.

        • steve

          Not kkk members??

          • nickshaw

            Yeah, you’re probably right. I think Senator Byrd (D-Racist) and KKK member used it once or twice.
            But, “just to get elected”-Bubba Clinton, you understand.

    • baker rules

      My sentiments exactly. This was a diversion from your list of urgent and important real news items as well as the roll out of ObamaCare!

      I would like to ask other questions no one is asking: Who is Zimmerman’s President? Do you have to look like Obama for him to think he is your President? Where is Zimmerman’s DoJ? Why are my tax dollars spent to organize protests against him?

      • nickshaw

        Funny you should ask, Zimmerman voted for Skeeter so,….

  • Mary E.

    , I also wonder if any of the hundreds – or thousands – of young black men who have been murdered on Chicago city streets might also resemble the son our President never had….If so, I don’t recall him ever musing aloud about that possibility…

    • Ted Crawford

      Nor the fact that in the overwhelming number of cases, so would the young black man firing the weapon!

  • Melissa L

    You nailed it!

  • Mary E.

    I think the women of this jury may have asked themselves a different question – what if it had been ME? What if George had been Georgianna a neighborhood watch person, who had a gun on her that night and spotted a suspicious person. And after doing everything George did, found herself on the bottom of a fight with a 17 year old young man who pounded her head into the sidewalk. Would anyone question her pulling her gun and shooting?

    • Johnny Deadline

      Careful Mary, or your common sense and objectivity may get you targeted as a racist and hate monger by the drive-by media and the Obama Boot Lickers in your state.

    • Wil

      What if Zimmerman was lying about the entire incident to avoid going to prison for a very long time. How about that?

      • nickshaw

        And what if he’s really David Copperfield and he made all the evidence the jury based their decision on appear out of nowhere!
        Putz.

        • Wil

          Are you talking about that slab of concrete? That evidence? Why wasn’t there any of Zimmerman’s blood on it.

          • Dave123

            It was raining.

            Ive seen deer shot in the rain that didn’t leave a blood sign at impact. They were still shot, and still dead.

          • Wil

            The blood disappeared in the rain, How about that. Does DNA also disappear in the rain?

          • steve

            No it doesn’t. You will always leave a a bit

    • steve

      Then again, I wonder how a women would feel about being stalked in the streets while minding their own business while walking home

      • Fantria

        amen

      • Dave123

        I hope my wife would come home if given the opportunity and certainly not confront them.

  • Chet Przygoda

    This “event” will gain no traction when it comes to addressing where the problem lies and with whom. Why should it? That is not news. Blacks will either “get it” that they are the major victums of crimes committed by blacks or they simply won’t. The fact that they haven’t speaks volumes about their mind set and belief systems. When the media has to sell a Hispanic “white” person to make their point we all are in a lot of trouble.

  • joer1

    The media and …… the President of the United States are responsible for turning this into a “racial” case. First they just wanted that Zimmerman be “charged” … then, he had to be found guilty regardless of the evidence. The media invented the Trayvon Martin they wanted by publishing pictures that showed him to be younger every day … Trayvon looked about 12 in the last picture I saw. The media doctored a tape to make it appear that Zimmerman was a racist. The media concealed relevant information … what Trayvon really looked like at 17, the contents of his phone and text messages, his record of violence and crime in Miami, the reason he was sent to stay in Sanford for the summer, his school suspensions, and … the fact that his parents were soooo busted up about their son’s death that they quickly negotiated a financial settlement with the Homeowner Association reportedly in excess of 1 million dollars. The American media is unprofessional, they are liars and deceivers, they are out of control and they intend to bring this country down.

    • Brian Fr Langley

      Too late? They don’t intend on bringing the country down? They’ve brought it down. The stock market is a gambling den, the total federal, state and municipal debt now tops 200 trillion, money is now simply printed when needed, (that won’t last long) the middle class is disintegrating, mothers are aborting their babies, fathers are abandoning their children, all part of a left wing, (main stream media supported, did I mention Marxist agenda), to remake modern society into a society tightly controlled by powerful elitist forces. Its too late now, except for the most desperate of measures. Simply electing a Republican (even if it’s Ronald Regan) would not change a thing.

      • Wil

        Yep, that all began Jan. 20, 2009. Really?

        • Brian Fr Langley

          No the current President is more a symptom than a cause (although I agree he is some of the cause) this transformation has been on going for decades now. (kinda like the frog getting boiled to death is a slowly heated pot)

      • joer1

        I understand what you are saying but, I love this country and it’s people … we are truly the greatest country and the greatest people in the history of the world. GOD bless us all. I hope you are wrong.

      • joer1

        I understand what you are saying. I believe in this country and our people. This is the greatest country and we are the greatest people in the history of the world. God bless us all … my hope is that you are wrong!

  • Swan

    Think of what would have happened to Zimmerman if he had not fired his weapon, or if he had no weapon. When would Martin stop pounding Zimmerman’s head to the concrete? Zimmerman might have ended up being a vegetable. He was in fear of his life and did the only thing to protect his life being wasted.

    • steve

      If he was such a wimp that he couldn’t handle a teenage boy, then why was he playing super hero? Lets not forget it was Zimmerman who was stalking this boy! If someone was falling my son home, I would hope he would stick up for himself also

      • Juan Motie

        Show the trial testimony, exhibits, or any FACTUAL background information which shows Zimmerman was “stalking” your hero, poor little innocent travon™

        If you teach you son to fight just because someone MIGHT be following don’t be surprised if someday you make a trip to the morgue to ID your poor dead son.

      • genann59

        A teenaged “boy” who was taller than Zimmerman, outweighed Zimmerman, and who had been taking Mixed Martial Arts fighting classes? And who was high on dope? And it was the teenaged “boy” who jumped Zimmerman and was banging his head into the cement and who threatened to kill Zimmerman. But that is OK to you?

        • steve

          Out weighed?? Zimmerman is a fat man. Tyrone is skinny

          • genann59

            If you notice the photos at the time, Zimmerman has gained a considerable amount of weight, probably since he had to pretty well stay inside in order to not be murdered. And if you see the photos taken of Trayvon, his name was not Tyrone, get it right please, shortly before the incident, at the convenience store, he was both tall and not really skinny. He weighed over 200 pounds at the time of the actual incident. He was (note that is “was” not “is” cause when you jump a guy with a gun and beat his head into the cement, you often do not survive) 6’2″, taller than Zimmerman.

          • Bob Hadley

            Zimmerman weighed 203 lbs at the time, Martin weighed 158. Only trace amounts of MJ were found in Martin’s body, meaning that he probably had not ingested MJ that day. If there was any evidence that Martin was taking MMA classes, I missed it. On the other hand, Zimmerman reported taking MMA classes.

          • Wil

            No Zimmerman’s DNA on Martins hands. That tell the entire story. Zimmerman has lied about everything!

          • Juan Motie

            Yet the forensics testimony at trial stated the police mishandled the evidence. For example, they did not bag the hands to preserve any forensic evidence which might have been there, just letting the rain and natural elements wash away anything that may have been important. The police bagged wet items in plastic bags instead of paper, which degraded DNA evidence.More than one officer handled Zimmerman’s gun without gloves or other hand cover. But please, don’t let factual testimony at trial get in the way of your dreamland!

          • Wil

            How about Zimmerman’s DNA under Martins fingernails? Dreamland no reality!

          • Juan Motie

            An expert witness testified that none of George Zimmerman’s DNA was found under the fingernails of Trayvon Martin. Crime lab analyst Anthony Gorgone testified NO DNA samples taken from Martin’s fingernails matched that of Zimmerman.

            Is THAT the DNA you were gabbling about? Or are you just going completely off the rails?

        • steve

          And super hero want a be, was also trained in MMA.

        • Bob Hadley

          We don’t know if in “jumped” Zimmerman, as Zimmerman alleged in one of his versions. That is subject to reasonable doubt.

          You have an odd relationship to facts. See my post a few down.

      • Juan Motie

        BTW, we also all know those with criminal intent ALWAYS call the police first to give their name, location and cellphone number. And make arrangements to meet with the police when they arrive! Yep, those evil “stalkers” and for fun murders ALWAYS do that! It makes it so much easier for the police to find and arrest them after the dirty deed is done.

        And why, if your hero poor innocent little travon™ was so “scared”, why didn’t he call 911? Or, run to daddy’s girlfriend’s condo? Or pound on a nearby door and ask for help? Maybe witness number eight’s testimony of “we don’t call the police” answers those questions – maybe what she means is so called “street justice” is the gangsters method of settling any perceived slights, never letting the law interfere.

        • steve

          It is funny that you bring up the 911 call. Did the 911 operator not tell coward Zimmerman to stop harassing and following the boy?? If Zimmerman would have listen to her advise, he would have not got beat up for following this boy, therefore Tyrone would still be here. Instead a wimp wanted to be a super hero and not take 911 advise. Who calls the cops and reports someone walking home doing nothing? Normally you call 911 to report a crime don’t you? Since when is walking home a crime. Is carrying Skittles and having a strawberry drink a crime in America now?

          • Gunny2862

            So you are saying that it’s just fine for folks to beat up on someone who is simply following them? Especially if they lose them, and then go back and find them? Knockout game, for instance, is something that should be accepted?

          • Juan Motie

            Of course that what little stevie is saying! His own words with stevie’s spelling error included: ” If someone was falling my son home, I would hope he would stick up for himself also”

            Illiberals are very strange critters!

          • Juan Motie

            When you can’t even get the basic fact of the correct spelling of your little hero, or the type of drink he was carrying, how can we expect you to get any fact right?

            Apparently you missed (of course!) the sworn statements made by former lead Detective Serino to FBI investigators regarding gang activity and clothing styles of those gang members in the area where the RATL is located. That same gang activity which has been responsible for crimes inside the RATL complex.

            Show the law mandating anyone is under any obligation to follow the orders of a police operator on the phone and I will show you the trial testimony of the actual operator Zimmerman spoke with that night. He says he NEVER gave an order for Zimmerman to stop following. He said operators such as him never give an order like that to avoid lawsuits. But please, continue to believe your little fantasy – it apparently makes you feel like such a big man!

            Look, I know all you pro-prosecution critters really, really want to belive your little hero travon™ was just an innocent little angel, skipping and splashing through the rain. Your pals in the media refuse to print one negative aspect of the downward spiral your little hero was on – from school suspensions to suspected theft to drug use to street fighting to involvement in the buying and selling of guns – none of this matters to you! He is your little angel and nothing will ever change your fantasy – nothing, no facts, no exhibits, no testimony, NOTHING. Okay, you love your little angel, I’ll watch and wonder why you on the illiberal left are so willing to elevated bad behavior to angel status.

            Meanwhile, you never ask why your political gods never mention the daily slaughter of truly innocent Black people in the inner cities! Must be because it’s only Blacks killing other blacks so no big deal to you, right? You never ask why your political gods never threaten Blacks who murder those of other races NEVER are subjected to civil rights violations trials or “hate” crimes. You are willing to make every excuse for a Black criminal, yet not hint of “innocent until proven guilty” for a “white Hispanic.”

          • steve

            Just like a red neck bible thumper would say. He deserved to get shot because he was suspended from school, or he smoked pot the day before, or he was going home to make purple drank, or he cant wear a certain color because gangs wear that color. I wasn’t aware he was in a gang. What gang was he in?? If he was a gang banger, he must have had drugs and drug money on him, let alone a gun right? A lot of kids smoke pot, and do the stuff he did, President Bush used to snort coke, let alone weed

          • Juan Motie

            Oh my, poor baby got hurt feeling? What a load of hysterical and emotional bovine scat! “Bible thumper” and “red neck”?? Is that all you have? Pathetic little you …. poor, poor baby, all hurt and bruised feeling making you strike out like a three year old throwing a temper tantrum. Actually, I am not partial to red, maybe tan or black would be better! But then I guess you would lose your assumed insult value calling me “black neck” or “tan neck!”

            Must be all that hate, anger, intolerance, spite and racism gets in the way of you being able to comprehend what you read! Must be terrible to be such a hate and anger filled critter such as you! What a pathetic little life, having to inflate yourself by hating everybody who has the nerve to disagree with your twisted and perverted worldview.

          • steve

            Every reply you gave had name calling baby. State the fact that you’re a red neck bible thumper and I am the baby? You are too much. Oh, world view you say. Only red neck USA thinks that this is acceptable! So don’t act like the world agrees with this sad decision. Because like usual USA is alone on this one.

        • Wil

          Maybe, It was because, unlike Zimmerman, he wasn’t a wimp!

          • Juan Motie

            So, live by street justice, die by street justice. What’s the problem? When one takes the law unto himself he should not be surprised when he gets shot.Or worse, gets dead. Since you feel so highly about applying street justice rather than calling police, what’s your problem with what happened?

            You must be one of those moronic individuals who would tell your own child to turn and fight just because someone might be following him – you know, it would prove what a manly man you have for a kid. Or, it might prove what a dead kid you have for being a moron!

          • Wil

            Juan, You must continuously live in fear! BTW, Do you have a permit to carry a concealed weapon?

          • Juan Motie

            I have no fear! I can afford the best of security measures, just like your political god and hollyweird heroes! I would never answer your BTW question on a public forum – first and foremost because it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! But you are always welcome to try your luck since you feel I am such a fearful person. Or send over your manly man child who you feel is capable of administering some “street justice”!!

          • Wil

            Oh, I didn’t realize, I was posting to a keyboard warrior. My mistake. BTW, Would you share your present street & state address with us?

          • Juan Motie

            This ain’t Juan typing here … he is no longer available to answer your stupid questions and ignorant comments. Meanwhile, the rest of us here in the studio are having tons of fun laughing at your foolishness and rank stupidity

          • Wil

            You’re yella!

          • steve

            Who would share their account anyway. You know the type these guys are! Probably sitting around jerking each other reading the holly bible

          • steve

            HAha so true. If he is not hiding under his bed from the muslims, he is hiding in his closet from black teenagers lol.

          • steve

            It’s funny you cry and call me a name caller for calling you a red neck bible thumper, but you started the name calling. I did care if you are on the right or left. So you’re religious, proves you can’t think with an open mind, but keep believing the story they believed thousands of years ago, when they thought the world was flat. Is one of of the 10 commandments not to kill?? Always pick and choose your sins. Watch your sons virgin bum around your priest. You and the Muslims have a lot in common

          • Juan Motie

            I could care less that you hate anything religious. I expect nothing less from you in the party of death and perdition, otherwise known as democrats, liberals, progressives, fascist, socialist, communist, and any other religion of statism. Your hate has absolutely no bearing on my life. So continue to spew your hate and anger – it fits you so well and you seem so comfortable with it. I refuse to engage your hate, racism, anger and moronic rants after this. I just can’t see wasting anymore time with such a small minded pathetic creature such as you and your pal willie.

            As for the term “moronic” – well, it’s not name calling when it’s the truth! Anybody who would tell their child to turn and fight a total stranger, as you said you would tell your child, when other options are available IS a moron – and looking to have a dead kid.See? TRUTH, plain and simple!

      • Wil

        Zimmerman’s mother is making him a cape.

        • steve

          Please no!! Super heroes are supposed to be tough, not some fat man. And super heroes usually stop crime, not some boy walking home in the rain. Quick where’s Superman, somewhere in America as we speak, there is a black teenager somewhere actually walking home with Skittles and a strawberry drink. Anyone out there see this, make sure you call 911 and follow. If the kid has a problem with being followed, you are allowed deadly force

    • Johnny Deadline

      So what you are saying, John, is if Martin hadn’t stopped pounding Zimmerman’s head to the concrete he might have been an Obama nominee or hosted a prime-time MSNBC show? :)

    • Drew Page

      If Zimmerman had no gun, he might not have engaged Martin in the first place. The other possible scenario would be that Zimmerman would have been found dead at the scene with no one witnessing what happened. The local papers would have reported the incident on page 3 or 4, as “Man found dead at gated community. Foul play suspected.” Ho -hum. No mention would be made of Zimmerman being white, or a light-skinned Hispanic that would have been as far as it went.

  • Russ

    The question is would the press and the race-baiters like Al Sharpton, who has become legitimized to preach by the liberal media, made the same noise if it had been a White or Latino kid?

    • Juan Motie

      No.

    • Johnny Deadline

      Al Sharpton is to positive race relations what Barack Obama is to personal accountability. The fact the media even gives Sharpton air time shows how repugnant and irresponsible the mainstream media has become.

    • steve

      No because he would have been charged with murder if he was white

  • wyatt81

    Facts don’t matter to the left-only ideology and how to promote it, no matter what. Ginned up emotion is the fuel that drives it, and there are many that know this in the media and Washington. Best case scenario to them is the mob. A whole pool of unthinking, unreasoning emotion to exploit and drive.

  • Seattle Sam

    Liberals tell us that we are all just one big family, but they can’t go thirty seconds without dividing people into racial groups. Even further, some Hispanics are “White Hispanics”. BTW, what other kinds are there? Black Hispanics? Tan Hispanics?

    • genann59

      Does that mean we now must refer to Obama as a “White African-American?” Is that the new standard or was that only made up when they discovered that the man with the white Jewish last name was also Hispanic? To avoid having to say it was a minority on minority incident, which would have destroyed their white on black crime narrative they invented the term “White Hispanic,” which I do not recall ever seeing before.

  • steve

    Very interesting that a black women was denied stand your ground in Florida, after she fired her gun into the wall to scare off her abusive husband. Mrs Alexander was handed down a 20 year sentence for putting a bullet into the wall, while Zimmerman gets nothing.

    • John Daly

      Have a link to the story?

      • Juan Motie

        I tried to post a link but it may have been deleted or maybe it will magically show up later! Who know what evil lurks in the heart of this internet algore invented!

      • steve

        I have placed a link 3 times, but there no freedom on this web site I guess

        • Juan Motie

          Links to what? The puffington host? media mutters?

    • Juan Motie

      +Interesting you do not tell the whole story of that woman and the case against her. With the internet available for all to use it is really ignorant of you not to check the facts of the story before trying to make some racist commentary of poor Black women being treated different that a “white Hispanic.”

      Perhaps the woman was sentenced to 20 years only because the prosecutor, angela corey(!), is a big fat racist who not only hates white Hispanics but also Black women.

      • steve

        What am I missing?? That the judge blamed her saying she could have hit her child?? Is that not the case every time you fire a gun during stand your ground.

        • Juan Motie

          You missed the FACTS your left wing loony tune web sites refuse to report! You let you computing device be used as a rebroadcasting tool for morons spreading disinformation and LIES!

          Mostly you missed the FACT the jury rejected her claim of self defense and stand your ground. The prosecutor (angela corey!) and judge rejected he claim of immunity from prosecution

          • steve

            This man had a history of abuse and she even had a order filled in court, so any jury that would state that an abused women can’t use self defense is a bunch if red neck alcoholics

          • Juan Motie

            Okay, she had a restraining order – pray tell us why she was at the residence where he lived? Why was she so scared of this man that she had breakfast with him and shared photos on her cellphone with him – all on the same day she shot at him? Then, once she was outside in the garage, why didn’t she just leave rather that grab a gun, return inside, shoot at her husband while he was standing next to his two small twin children.? You illiberals would usually call that act child endangerment at the very least! Why was she arrested just four months later for assault on her estranged husband after signing an agreement with the court to stay away from him?

            It helps if you tell all of the story rather than just the parts which fir your twisted illiberal leftist loony tunes worldview.

          • Reese

            Juan. Why didn’t Zimmerman stop following Treyvon when the cops told him to? If he was so dangerous and suspicious why confront him???

          • Juan Motie

            Prove he didn’t stop, then prove Zimmerman “confronted.” (HINT – trial testimony has completely debunked your statements and questions!) You must be one of the conspiracy theorist who believe the police faked the Zimmerman call! The police and Zimmerman were in cahoots to see that poor innocent little travon™ was murdered that night, yes?

            Now.turn your question around — Per witness number eight – the state’s “STAR witness” by media accounts – she said poor innocent little travon™ was “scared” of the “creepy-a$$ cracker” “following” him! If he was so afraid and suspicious, WHY didn’t your little hero call the police, or run for daddy’s girlfriend’s condo which was a very short distance away, OR bang like mad on a nearby door and ask for help? Why did he confront Zimmerman, sucker punching him in the nose then beating his head on a sidewalk?

          • steve

            I like how you act like you know all the facts when you know nothing. A judge said no to stand your ground, not jury. This lady has been trained to use a weapon and was awarded a permit to carry in public. Not some stupid lady who endangered children. She has been beaten by this man before and she got the gun to protect herself, then when he came at her again she put a bullet into the wall and it was pulled out of the ceiling. She had a baby 9 days before and this man beat her while pregnant also. If someone deserved to get shot, it was an abusive husband, not some teen getting stalk by a grown man. All she did was shoot the wall, in any free country, that is unfair and unjust sentence.

          • Juan Motie

            This is why it so useless to debate a moron leftist – I never denied she had a permit to carry! She left the room, retrieved her gun, then returned to fire a shot in the direction of her estranged husband and his twin children! This is in NO WAY stand your ground! She had the opportunity to LEAVE – TWICE! She chose to confront while he was trying to leave with the kids Per court documents forensic evidence show she lied about putting the shot in the wall – she shot at her estranged husband and missed! That’s why self defense did not apply – it was proved to the satisfaction of the jury she was the aggressor in the conflict.

            If he beat her so bad, WHY would she be unafraid to go back to his residence, have breakfast, share photos, etc, etc.?. Even spend the previous night in that house! Park her car in the garage with the door down? Why would she, after being arrested for this incident, sign an agreement to stay away from her estranged husband when let our of jail on bail, yet just four months later be arrested for assault on him AGAIN? This woman appears to be unstable! If he was a violent as you say, she would have been better served to stay as far away as possible! If it was absolutely necessary for her to be in her estranged husbands home she should have requested a police escort!

          • steve

            That’s like asking if Tyrone was so dangerous, why did Zimmerman get out of the car and not wait fir Police. It useless talking to a red neck bible thumper.

          • Juan Motie

            Oh, now you know me so well you cal call me names! I love you fools – I really do! You know, I have NEVER known someone to “thump” a Bible. Most people I know get more out of the Bible by actually reading it. But maybe you on the left imitate the monkeys by thumping on books and such and somehow absorb the contents by some form of weird osmosis! Do you fling poo too?

            As for red neck, you are really scraping the bottom of the ad hominem barrel. Please, since you know me so well, tell everyone here what my ethnic heritage is! And where I live! And who my friends are. How about my co-workers? Explain what you know about me personally which allows you to judge me a “red neck! It will most pathetic of you not to respond with correct answers!

    • Seattle Sam

      Possibly because she wasn’t acting in self defense?

      • Juan Motie

        Nor was she “standing her ground.”

        • steve

          Yes she was. The bullets in the wall prove that

          • Juan Motie

            Then why did a judge and jury reject the claim when forensic evidence proved she lied about which direction she fired that shot? +

            BTW, the spent bullet was recovered in the living room ceiling – not the wall.

            I know this fits your meme of a big nasty racist conspiracy against poor Black people. So believe what you wish – you moronic illiberal live in fantasyland anyway, why should this be any different?

          • steve

            Zimmerman lied to police and changed his story numerous times. He stated that the boy grabbed his gun, but no finger prints were found on the gun except Zimmerman, so how is her lies any different than Zimmermans?

          • Juan Motie

            Are you for real? Her story has nothing, NOTHING, in common with the Zimmerman case! And now you admit your hero, this nice sweet Black lade lied? Really? So anybody you feel is a liar should go free!

            Where in the trial testimony or exhibits is there ANY proof of Zimmerman changing his story in any major way? And of course you missed the testimony of the defense forensics expert who explained the lack of certain evidence because the Sanford police mishandled collecting the evidence! Why didn’t they find the fingerprints of the police officer who took the gun from Zimmerman without benefit of gloves or other hand covering?

            Either prove your idiotic lies or head on out to your favorite left wing illiberal looney tune web sites where lies are the order of the day – everyday.

      • steve

        This man had a history of abuse. So this women was clearly acting in self defense.

        • Jeff Webb

          So, because someone has a history of abuse, there is automatic justification for him to be shot at. Got it. Guess what? Trayvon had a history of criminal behavior, so he obviously should have been followed.

  • floridahank

    Does any person with rational, commonsense, think that Zimmerman would have acted differently about being suspicious is he saw a hooded white kid walking abound condos late at night? Come on, George was doing his job trying to prevent any more break-ins in his neighborhood. I’m sure he would have done the same thing with a white kid. I’d like to know how many people George had checked out there in the past year. We know very little facts except what the media want’s us to know, which can be very biased as we all know. It will be
    most interesting to read the fuller facts on the case next week.

    • Seattle Sam

      We know that most of the eight burglaries at Twin Lakes were committed by blacks. That would influence what you regarded as “suspicious” (look up the term Bayesian if you’re curious). But that’s irrelevant to the only real legal issue in the case: Did Zimmerman act in self-defense?

    • Reese

      Fact: Every single person Mr. Zimmerman called the police about was black.

      • Renee

        Could that possibly be because Zimmerman didn’t happen to see any white teenagers wandering around alone on a rainy night when it’s an odd time to be out for a walk? And when a string of robberies have recently occurred?

        • Reese

          Renee what are you talking about? My post said that everyone he called the cops on was black. But had it been a white kid in a hoodie, Zimmerman would have offered him a ride. Also, what is odd about walking home from a store at 7 pm or so?

          • steve

            So true.

        • steve

          White people don’t go out at night in the rain. Wow, that’s news to me. I’m white and I go out in the rain at night, does that make me suspicious or a criminal?

        • Fantria

          7-8pm is an odd time to be out?

      • floridahank

        Curious, can I see the report you’re referring to?

  • bbf

    The sequestered jury of six women, all white and one Hispanic, came back
    with a not guilty verdict after only two days of deliberations. The
    verdict is a travesty, a continuation of the complicity of the racist,
    so-called criminal justice system that refused to treat the murder as a
    crime and has now left a vigilante free to roam the streets. The system
    of racist brutality carried out against poor people and people of color
    in communities from Florida to New York to California to Texas and
    elsewhere is on the offensive.

    The acquittal of George Zimmerman means there will be more George
    Zimmermans. They have encouraged the growth of racist vigilante attacks
    on Black people. This is a pattern of racist violence that allows the
    cops and would-be cops to get away with murders like those of Oscar Grant, Alan Blueford
    and Manuel Diaz and countless others.

    • Seattle Sam

      Are you suggesting that if Zimmerman had been black (all other facts in the case remaining the same), he would not have been found to have acted in self-defense?

    • genann59

      I am really amazed that anyone can believe the crap you just posted. You are really indoctrinated aren’t you. My goodness, what a crock. Hey, why don’t you compare the number of blacks killed by cops and would-be-cops to the number of blacks killed by other blacks. I think you will find the latter to be much higher than the first. Maybe there is prejudice in the black community against fellow blacks. Check out the stats on black on black homicides before claiming this huge increase in racist vigilante attacks.

      Look at the practically ignored case in Chicago of a 17 year old black kid murdered because he refused to join a black gang. Why are you and others ignoring that kid? Because it doesn’t fit your narrative? Be for real and be honest if you are capable.

    • Jeff Webb

      Blind Bigoted Fool,

      Your obvious hatred of white and Hispanic women has your judgment clouded.

      Actually, we rational people are just going to go ahead and assume the people who heard all the evidence and testimony first-hand are a more believable source than your ignorant ass.

  • AttentiveAmerican

    Bravo, Bernie! Real thoughtful analysis as usual. The media does America a huge disservice by assuming all Americans are knuckleheads. In high profile stories like this the news media has an extra responsibility to get it right. Sadly, this is not the case and race relations stagnate in history and never improve. The major media outlets are satisfied with doing no better a job than a San Francisco television station. Sum ting wong.

  • disqus_xhoTljOoA4

    What happened to “Double Jeopardy?” I don’t remember the government going after O. J. Simpson for violating Nicole’s civil rights. I know he only decapitated her, but still, couldn’t that be a civil rights violation? We are no longer a nation of laws, we are an Oligarchy, ruled by an elite class of bureaucrats who are above the law. Do you want proof; see Clinton, Holder, the heads of the CIA and FBI. No wonder Belize is advertising for Americans to immigrate.

  • Bruce A.

    This case was decided by facts. The case was driven hard by the media & for political reasons. According to Alan Dershowitz on Huckabee this past weekend there was no case from the beginning.

    • Wil

      I wonder if Alan Dershowitz would be saying, there was no case from the beginning, if Martin was Jewish?

      • Bruce A.

        I am sure he would. Write him,, he is at super liberal Harvard in the Law School. When it comes to criminal law he is the go to guy on a few networks. There is no arguing the law with this guy.

        • Bob Hadley

          Really??? You don’t argue with Dershowitz when he implies that there was reasonable doubt as to whether OJ butchered Ron and Nicole? I sure do.

        • Wil

          He’s the guy that helped Claus von Bülow get acquitted of murdering his wife. He’s a scumbag!

  • Johnny Deadline

    Refreshing to read honest commentary on this tragedy as opposed to the rubbish and rot found most other places, Bernie. Loved your line about what matters most to white libs: “All that matters is that white people – white liberals, mostly – feel better…about themselves.”

    It was exactly that feckless mindset that has given us the most unqualified individual to ever occupy the White House not once, but twice.

    • steve

      Who Bush?

      • Johnny Deadline

        Not even close on that comparison, Steve. Jimmy Carter must be thrilled to have Owebama relieve him of the title, “Worst President in American History.”

        • steve

          Oh I’m know fan of Obama, but today’s problems have just as much to do with Bush as they do with Obama. Bush and Obama are the two worst Presidents ever. Over the last 13 years, America has become a civil right hatter

          • Malibu2ManhattanJerk

            Proper Diction and the ability to SPELL are KEY in making an
            argument.

          • JanelleHumbert

            I do agree with you, Malibu, but I now have Lewis Caroll’s book, “Through the Lookin Glass” firmly lodged in my brain. My apologies if I have now sent that your way!

          • Johnny Deadline

            No sale, Steve. Bush was no Ronald Reagan, but he knew more about leadership, character and taking responsibility than this prez will ever know. As far as American being a civil right hater, how do you explain Barry O’Drama winning the White House twice?

          • steve

            That’s what I mean, Obama and Bush took a dump right on all of Americans civil rights and they kept electing these two idiots that are drowning us in debt. Bush could hardly speak fluent English, at least Barry can speak

          • And_One

            He sure can – Just ask Navy “Corpse Man” Christian Brossard…

          • Johnny Deadline

            Yeah, the president speaks but no one listens. Barry’s fluent English-speaking ability has done nothing to create jobs, bring the country together or instill respect from our international allies. Give us someone who stumbles over his words occasionally over an idiot that stumbles over his responsibilities.

          • Fantria

            that’s interesting….i haven’t read a report yet that says jobs haven’t been created during obama’s presidency…would you mind showing me where your information comes from that says otherwise? because if i’m wrong i’d like to read it. and i have no idea how you could possibly say that bush knew more about leadership….he was at home in texas when hurricane katrina hit….and he never left during the whole thing. when fema took forever to get there…we all blamed fema….no one blamed bush…but had obama been in office…guess who takes the blame for that… bush lied to the entire world so he could take us to war….i never asked my leader to do that for me…did you ask him to do that for you? i could care less about either of them but it’s like the entire nation wants to dump EVERYTHING on one man and completely forget the guy before him…now i am personally not thinking this but when people blame this black man for everything under the sun…even stuff that happened before him…and other minorities see this….i dont know about you but my natural conclusion is….”look at these racist people” in baseball…if a pitcher leaves the game with men on base…he is responsible for those men if they score runs…. when bush starts a war…why is the NEXT guy responsible for the bodies coming home????

  • John Havlicek

    The analysis you’ve outlined here Mr Goldberg is obviously and provably true. Let’s get even more uncomfortably close to the truth here for a moment. Juan Williams (who I greatly respect and admire) admitted that he made a similar calculation regarding an Arab man on an airplane. Was that “racist”?…of course not. Any sentient being would have to admit to having similar thoughts at least in passing. Is this “profiling”?…of course it is, and for very good reason. Muslim radicals, mostly of Arab descent, have been trying to kill us for a while now, and using commercial airliners one way or another seems to be a favorite method. In any case, Mr Williams’ career could well have ended or been severely harmed by his admission. This stuff just doesn’t sit well with the vast majority of the establishment media outlets, as true as it all may be. It’s also true that, if any real retribution should come out of the Zimmerman trial, it ought to be against the prosecutor who overcharged Mr Zimmerman and then put on such a weak case that the results should have been a foregone conclusion. With few exceptions (Alan Dershowitz being a notable one), you won’t see much made of that by liberals either. Lastly, it’s a real shame (but not unexpected) that Al Sharpton will always adopt these things as a way to remain relevant…despite his own REALLY troubled record on race relations.

    Sincerely, John Havlicek

  • Patty from AZ

    When I was in the Air Force – a black sergeant once said to
    a group of us – “If the black man isn’t putting fear into the white man – he isn’t
    doing his job.” I am a white woman. How am I supposed to interpret that? And this was twenty years ago….

    • Fantria

      you are supposed to interpret that as one man saying something ignorant…that’s all…nothing more…. for you to interpret it any other way you are just like him. i dont consider it my job to make u fear me so that black sergeant does not speak for me, he does not speak for my daughter or the rest of my family, so dont let his words color how you feel about an entire race, that’s how you interpret it…. i know there are kkk members and skinheads all throughout the US but i do not interpret that as ALL white people so….what was the point of even posting that other than to as my friend floridahank would say “stir something up?” your post doesn’t even have anything to do with the topic at all. it looks like a veiled attempt to to take a jab at black men for no reason other than to cause more anger, strife, controversy and hate-filled discussion on this forum

      • Fantria

        and it is also a shame that 7 people decided they like your post….that to me is disgusting

        • Patty from AZ

          think about this, maybe if Mr. Martin had not approached Mr. Zimmerman with the “creepy ass cracker” attitude but with some civility and simple conversation – he would be alive today. Sic transit gloria mundi…….

          • Fantria

            dont think i didn’t notice how you completely ignored my reply and jumped to a different topic….

          • Patty AZ

            Perhaps if i spoke in ebonics, you would understand… if you can’t see the connection – you are completely IGNORANT…

  • beniyyar

    I believe that George Zimmerman only shot his assailant, Trayvon Martin, because he was being mercilessly beaten by Martin and felt the only way he could defend himself was to use lethal force. As to his reasons for suspecting Martin, they could have been racial, they could have been because Martin was a stranger to him, or perhaps Martin behaved in a suspicious manner, I do not know and it doesn’t really matter. Martin, not Zimmerman, took matters into his own hands when he attacked Zimmerman, who even the prosecution acknowledged, was in no way physically equal to Martin, nor was he in any way able to use physical force to either protect himself from Martin’s attack or cause any real physical damage to Trayvon Martin during the fracas. Thus the jury found Zimmerman’s use of his weapon to be legally justified and Martin’s vicious attack to be legally improper. The real racism and bigotry in this whole affair is the fact that while Martin was given the benefit of the doubt because he was Black, the same courtesy was not given to Zimmerman because he is Hispanic.

    • John Daly

      Good post.

      The fact that the term “White Hispanic” was introduced exclusively for this story is proof in itself of how desperate the media was to make this case about race, and not about the events that took place that night.

  • Joh

    After the verdict was announced, I did a bit of channel surfing to seehow it was being reported. Interestingly, the news anchors on FOX and CNN were black, while the MSNBC anchor was white. Not that that matters at all, but MSNBC was in character, with AL Sharpton contuing his tirade about this being a racist decision. Is it me, or does his head look more and more like Predator in profile?

    I dusagree that Travon Martin was profiled by his race. Martin had to be questioned by the 911 operator for a desription and even then, he did not say ith any certainty that Martin was black

  • gbandy

    I wonder if there would of been such a media outcry had Trayvon killed Zimmerman by beating his head on the concrete? I wonder if the same people who are wailing now about “justice” “profiling” and “racism” would of even cared if a Black killed a White? The hypocrisy is sickening as hundreds of Blacks are killed each month all over the Nation by other Blacks. I say Zimmerman was acquitted so it is over.

    • Bruce A.

      Look no further than Chicago. Every weekend numerous people are killed & it never gets national media frenzy.

  • Ed in Albany

    How many anchor persons – or news directors – would cheerfully submit while a young, strong man was beating their head into a street curb, breaking their nose and ruining their pretty face? Why should it different for anyone else.

    This coverage was dictated by an African-American media lobby.

    I’m not saying the defendant was blameless. But when you’re getting mugged, isn’t it human nature to defend yourself with any means available?

    George Zimmerman wasn’t on trial here, the media was. The verdict was guilty.

    • floridahank

      When you say, “African-American media lobby”, you are falling into the PC trap. Why are they called African-Americans, when we are simply called “Whites” even when most of our ancestors came from German,
      Italy. Sweden, Hungary, etc. Why doesn’t the media call us “German-Americans, Swedish-Americans, Hungarian-Americans, etc. it’s because their showing the pro-bias for blacks and ignoring whites.

  • Seattle Sam

    There had been EIGHT burglaries in Twin Lakes in the last fourteen months. Of COURSE Zimmerman was suspicious of someone waling through the community that didn’t look like he should be there. Wouldn’t you be? Or would you give a suspicious person after you discovered he was black? Just to be good liberal?

    • Renee

      “Or would you give a suspicious person a pass after you discovered he was black? Just to be good liberal?” Yes, liberals do precisely that — especially those that work in the media.

  • Mike. C.

    Excellent column Bernie. If I am on the jury, I say guilty. I would ignore the mumbo jumbo. He profiled the kid. He stalked the kid. He ignored instructions.
    He shot the kid. I don’t need 16 hours to figure it out.

    • Seattle Sam

      And you would ignore the law concerning self-defense? Which reason, by the way, does not evaporate just because you had previously done something wrong.

    • John Daly

      So would ignore the law and the actual facts of the case, disregarding them as “mumbo jumbo?”

    • Bryan

      You, sir, are then the racist. You don’t care about the law or the actual events that transpired, but only the skin color of the participants.

    • Linda White Besink

      You are wrong on all counts.

    • Stephen Randall Malone

      You are also Brain Dead…

    • Bruce A.

      It ewas decided on facts. Did you sit there in the jury box & hear everything?

    • Juan Motie

      Can you point to any trial testimony or exhibit which backs your racist rant? No? Then go away and spread your racist filth among your like minded brain dead drones on those racist illiberal fascist web sites.

    • floridahank

      Hey Mike, I’m certain that you know ALL THE FACTS that were presented to the jury. Maybe they should have used only you and forgot the jury system. You sound like a moron.

  • Ditters

    Get your facts straight Goldberg.

    Profiled him because he was black? In the police call, at first, call he wasn’t even sure he was black. He said “he looks black”. Then shortly afterword confirmed it to the operator who had asked him his race. This is the reason the FBI investigation said race had nothing to do with it. It was attire and circumstances, i.e. walking next to houses with a hoodie at night in the rain. He could have been chartreuse and any neighborhood watch person would call the police.

    I am sick of getting Goldberg superficial analysis in my inbox. Unsubscribed.

  • tcoss

    Nicely done, Bernie. In the end, the media sells paper, ink and air for a profit, they do this by capturing our attention; truth is an elective.

  • jazzdrums

    the event on trial legally was not zimmerman getting out of his truck the event on trial was self defense after trayvon punched Zimmerman in the nose and then pummeled his head into the concrete and zimmerman says he then feared for his life. would the next blow to his head against concrete have killed zimmerman. that event was on trial.

  • kayakbob

    “Too many people in this country use color as grounds for suspicion”. Yep. And the other great projection is “people should be more tolerant of other points of view” Yep. Except for one little thing. My personal experience is that 98% of the people making those statements are projecting outward – as in something OTHER PEOPLE need to do. The notion of actually practicing it themselves? Well, no, as in – we are far too busy being morally superior.

    Ever notice how many people become the very thing they grandly claim to be against?

    But the good news is the Zimmerman-Martin ordeal is that I finally have an ethnic identity to hold onto – “white hispanic”. That’s awesome! Thank you so much alphabet media for putting a nice little label on me. To think I have been ethnically lost all these years.

  • jak378

    One thing that has been largely left out throughout this whole thing is the fact that Z had every reason to be suspicious of M’s actions. It was a cold, dark, rainy night, the kind that keeps most people indoors. Several Thefts and Burglaries had been committed in the neighborhood over the several months, mostly by teenagers. M was apparently a teenager, walking unhurriedly, with his face partially concealed by his hoodie. Not suspicious? I beg to differ.

  • Dennis Carstens

    You are wrong about white liberals treating all blacks as if they are delicate flowers as being ‘soft’ bigotry. There is nothing soft about it at all. It is it’s own type of racism that is far more prevalent, more insidious and more destructive than anything the Klan has ever been able to accomplish. White liberal racism and their sexist misogynistic bigotry toward women have infantilized an entire race and gender and have made them more and more enslaved (and that is the word for it) to dependence upon white liberal policies and government programs than anything the Klan could have ever accomplished. It is intentional and despicable.

  • docww

    Yesterday I witness a white anchor on MSNBC groveling to several black women on the show. He stated that as a white man he felt shame because of the Zimmerman verdict. I watch this show for the entertainment value–lots of laughs!

    • Linda White Besink

      Stop watching MSNBC or your IQ will go down beyond redemption!

      • John Daly

        lol. I think morbid curiosity is the only reason someone with any commonsense would choose to watch MSNBC. We’ve all done it. ;)

  • Brian Fr Langley

    Being raised on the mean streets of east end Vancouver by a single mother, I know a few things about the bad choices young boys make. From incarceration rates to just bad behaviour, what else could one expect from a whole generation of young black men are being raised without fathers. (the word for fatherless used to be orphan). Some 73% of all black children are now being born into single parent families. (although skin colour is not a factor) America has been caught in the cross hairs of two colliding realities. The acceptance of societal wide sexual promiscuity, along with some extra-ordinarily powerful demographic forces that make monogamy (particularly in the black community) unpalatable. The Judeo – Christian ethic maintained proscriptions against ultra liberalized sexual relations for a reason. Fatherless children wreak havoc.

  • DonaldYoungsRevenge

    Here is a thought for the DOJ. There were two brutal murders committed in Chicago back in 2007-08, the victims were two black homosexuals, both close associates and friends of Barack H. Obama and both members of the church Obama and Michelle attended. There has been no justice there for the families of Obama’s friends, the crimes are still unsolved. There is a strong possibility that the crimes were “hate” crimes for crying out loud. The two men have names, Donald Young and Larry Bland, Young was a close enough friend of the President that he was asked to serve on Obama’s campaign team.

    Why hasn’t Obama had a “beer summit” for those two families so that he could declare that the Chicago police are “acting stupidly” in not solving the crimes? Isn’t the Black Panter’s home turf Chicago, where is the MILLION dollar reward for the apprehension of the killers? Isn’t Chicago the home of Jesse Jackson and his son, where are the marches for justice Rev.? Are there not members of the Democrat Black Caucus living in Chicago, why are they not making loud noises in the Halls of the House demanding they crimes be solved? Why aren’t the liberal racists at MSNBC all over this?

    May I say, the silence may come because the evidence may come too close to the ONE they love so dearly.

  • Bloviating Ignoramus

    Ben Jealous and Tavis Smiley are RAAAAAAAAAACIST!

    Bob Schieffer and George Stephanopoulos are cowards for not labeling them as such!

    Jealous and Smiley would not dare to enter THEEEEEEEEE NO SPIN ZONE where their racist butts would unceremoniously be kicked out the door by none other than Mr. Fair and Balanced Baba O’Reilly Himself!

    • John Daly

      Shhhhhh. Adults are talking.

      • Bloviating Ignoramus

        What part of this do you not agree with?

        • brent kaufman

          Don’t expect a reply. People with little minds are more comfortable making drive-by verbal attacks, and don’t stick around to actually discuss the issues.

        • John Daly

          Agree or disagree with what? It was Stephen Colbert gibberish.

          • Bloviating Ignoramus

            That Jealous and Smiley are racist, that Schieffer and Stephanopoulos were cowardly in not confronting them, and that O’Reilly would have wasted no time in confronting them. These are the fundamental points of Goldberg’s article (the first 2 anyway, the third by implication but no doubt he would agree). Are you calling them gibberish?

    • floridahank

      Jealous, Smiley, Schieffer and Stephanopoulous should consider themselves extremely lucky for being at the right place at the right time for being hired to do their job. In our nation of over 20 million (est.) people in the same general category as those 4, I would wager to say there are hundreds of people much more qualified to do their jobs, but they never got the chance to be evaluated. So none of the 4 would consider any self worth that they truly are unique in their job — they were lucky for the circumstances that let them be hired. Unconsciously, they should give thanks every day for being lucky to have their jobs — they’re truly not anybody exceptional, just the luck of the draw. But I have to think that basically they truly think they “earned it” and somehow have something better than others. Vanity runs through their veins and not thankfulness.

  • Bob Hadley

    On the one hand, we must respect the juries’ verdict. It was part of the American justice system, which is flawed. But, to paraphrase Winston Churchill, it’s the worst system on the face of the earth except for all the rest of them. In addition, there was reasonable doubt on the defense of self-defense, not necessarily concurrence. .
    On the other hand, I think it’s clear that if Mr. Zimmerman had acted responsibly, Treyvon Martin would never have been shot. He simply would have returned to his Dad’s home.
    Bottom line, I agree with Bernie’s piece to the extent that certain black leaders are taking this out-of-proportion. I think, however, that all the wannabe vigilantes should not be encouraged by this verdict. I think this should be the emphasis.

    • Patrick H.

      How do you know that Zimmerman started the fight and didn’t act responsibly? Nobody saw the fight saw start and the only evidence the prosecution was able to introduce was Rachel whose credibility was shaky. As for following Trayvon Martin during the 911 call, it may not have been smart, but it certainly wasn’t illegal.

      • John Daly

        I think it’s safe to say that both individuals used pretty poor judgement. I agree with Bernie that Zimmerman was overzealous. I also can’t imagine a scenario in which I would physically assault someone who was slowly following me around in a neighborhood while talking on the phone.

        In the end, I’m going to have to agree with a man who I pretty much never agree with: Geraldo Rivera, who said that “not every tragedy is criminal.”

        It’s a tragedy for sure, but the media exploded it into something it wasn’t.

        • kayakbob

          I agree John. As the facts..I mean the real facts, began to come out it seemed to me that TWO people engaged in a one gigantic mis-perception about the other – with a fair amount of testosterone thrown in – that escalated in the tragic death of a young man. From what we “know” about Zimmerman now, I don’t see him as a very likable or ‘sympathetic’ character. But last time I checked, the law does not take into account ‘likable’ or ‘sympathetic’.

        • Patrick H.

          Yeah, I can’t say I disagree with you on that.

      • Bob Hadley

        That Zimmerman initially followed Martin is well-established. Zimmerman admitted it and his defense team never disputed it (as far as I know). If he had simply called 911 and then bowed out of the matter, Martin would be alive and well.

        It’s disputed, however, who initiated the confrontation. Here, there is reasonable doubt.

        • Patrick H.

          I knew he was initally following Martin when he called 911, I didn’t know that it was established he continued to follow Martin after the 911 call. I thought the defense argued that Zimmerman turned around to go back to his truck and that’s when Trayvon Martin jumped him. I didn’t realize Zimmerman admitted to following Martin after the 911 call. My bad, thanks for letting me know.

          • Bob Hadley

            You’re bad for reasons other than what you said. :)

            You’re not responding to anything I said. My point was that if Zimmerman had act responsibly by not following Trayvon AT ANY POINT, the tragedy would never have occurred.

            Let’s take Zimmerman’s story (or at least one of his
            stories) as true: that be doubled back to his car after initially following Trayvon but was jumped by Trayvon in the process. In that case, if he had act responsibly by not following Trayvon initially, he would not have had to double back and thus would not have been jumped. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!

            Zimmerman knew better than to follow Trayvon at any point. None of this says that Trayvon did not act irresponsibly. We may never know what happened after the 911 call.

  • John Daly

    The most honest piece anyone’s going to write on this story. Thanks Bernie.

    • DonaldYoungsRevenge

      It has been posted that since Trayvon Martin was shot there have been 1,018 black kids killed by other black kids. You would think that the racist black activist and racist media would be all over those cases. I wonder what the statistics are as to how many white and Hispanic kids have been killed by black gangsters since Trayvon Martin was shot?

    • floridahank

      You can depend that there will be at least two totally different versions of stories that will soon appear in some magazines – one giving the slant that Zimmerman was guilty, and another saying Martin was the aggressor. But I’m hoping there will be at least one source who will have the commonsense of trying to be fair and present both sides of the story with all the facts so we will be able to judge for ourselves what more closely resembles what really happened.

  • Bloviating Ignoramus

    “If there is a crime involving two races today, the victim is most likely going to be white and the criminal is most likely going to be black – not the other way around”
    Well this time it was the other way around, and that is the way it should be right?

    • John Daly

      >>Well this time it was the other way around, and that is the way it should be right?

      Pretty disgusting man. I hope you’re proud of yourself.

      • Bloviating Ignoramus

        What part do you not agree with?

      • Bloviating Ignoramus

        Let me put it another way. That is the way Golderg ends his article. What conclusion do you draw from it?

        • John Daly

          The conclusion was obvious to anyone who doesn’t let their blind-hatred for ‘everything conservative’ taint their ability to comprehend a simple point.

          The media (most notably the liberal media) doesn’t have any interest in a black, 17 year-old boy’s tragic death UNLESS the person who killed him is white (or in Zimmerman’s case, half white).

          All the media cares about is using such an incident to push a self-serving racial narrative.

          That’s a tragedy in itself.

          • Bloviating Ignoramus

            “If there is a crime involving two races today, the victim is most likely going to be white and the criminal is most likely going to be black – not the other way around”

            Read it again. Your response, aside from being ignorant in itself, has nothing to do with Goldberg’s quote. The only blind hatred here is your hatred of the liberal media.

          • John Daly

            What exactly is incorrect about that specific quote? He’s merely stating a fact based on the stats.

            And the point of the quote is no mystery. All you have to do is read the previous sentence he wrote. It was about historical context.

            BTW, Go ahead and look up the word “context’ when you get a minute. I’m pretty sure you don’t know what it means.

          • Bloviating Ignoramus

            First things first. What does your assertion that the media has no interest in a black 17 year old boy unless the person that killed him is white have to do with that quote?

          • Bloviating Ignoramus

            While you are pondering that, let’s turn to your ignorant comment. The left wing media interest in this case had nothing to do with race. It had everything to do with a hateful Florida law that allows an individual to get away with murder simply by uttering the magic words “stand your ground”. And if not for their shining the light on this case, Zimmerman would have gotten away clean, without being indicted or even arrested.

          • MarkAbbott

            Now the true agenda come through!

          • Bloviating Ignoramus

            Yeah. Your point?

          • chichilouise

            To bloviaing ignoramus: a black man heard a noise outside and picked up his gun and chambered a round. outside he found three teenage boys pilfering items out of unlocked cars on his street. when the boys saw him, one of them started to run: Roderick Scott, the man with the gun, insisted that 17 year old Christopher Cervini was running toward him when he shot him dead, while the prosecutor said Cervini was shot in the back as he ran away. Roderick Scott was tried for manslaughter and was acquitted by an all white jury. Please note that Roderick Scott, black man with gun, did not shoot Cervini while being pounded into the sidewalk with a broken nose, but out of a fear that the young man was threateningly ‘running toward him.’ the poor scared kid, seeing the gun, may have just been trying to get away. So here is the situation constantly referred to, in which if the races were switched, it would have gone differently. Instead, the verdict was the same, even tho it seems that Scott was a complete dufus who killed a kid for misdemeanor offense for no reason. So you are an ignoramus.

          • Bloviating Ignoramus

            To LouLou: Did I say anything about the verdict being different if the races were switched? Goldberg is the one who, using his usual con game of exposing left wing bias, injected his brand of racism into the conversation as. Listen up honey. No one would have ever heard of Zimmerman If not for the left wing media focusing on how the police allowed him to get away clean. The Scott case occurred in New York where there is no Stand Your Ground law. Another difference: Scott took the stand in his own defense, told his story under oath and faced cross examination. Zimmerman did not take the stand but was allowed to testify uncontested by means of his videotaped statement.

        • brent kaufman

          Certainly not that Bernie was implying what you think he was implying. You took the implication to a completely different place than what was written.

          • John Daly

            >>You took the implication to a completely different place than what was written

            That’s all he ever does. It’s his bread and butter.

        • MarkAbbott

          That is NOT the way Bernie ends the article. He does not say or imply ” … that’s the way it should be.” Your words, not his. Bernie simply described what IS, not what SHOULD BE.

          • Bloviating Ignoramus

            Goldberg presents all kinds of mixed messages. He quotes Ben Jealous “Too many people in our country use color as grounds for suspicion”, says that Jealous is correct Then goes on to excuse it “they do it for a reason”. He states that Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, then justifies it as “quick reflexive calculations”. After all this bloviating about race he concludes by demanding that Smiley, Sharpton, and all liberals accept that the majority of thugs are black and shut up. The reason this case is newsworthy is not because of race. It is because of Florida’s hateful Stand Your Ground law, whereby Zimmerman went free after blowing away Trayvon. Zimmerman chose to take the law in his own hands, ignoring police instructions to back off, and instigating a confrontation on the grounds that Trayvon appears to be guilty of something. If you are going to do that, you better be right. Zimmerman was wrong. And should have paid the price for being wrong.

          • chichilouise

            If you are going to insist on these facts, you better be right, but you are not. Trayvon instigated the combat by punching GZ and knocking him to the ground, where he climbed on top of him, totally preventing his escape. he pounded him until Zimmerman feared for his life, especially after the little darling told him ‘you are gone die tonight!’ A cop was jumped the exact same way by another 17 year old black kid, who broke his nose and jumped on him, pounding his head into the sidewalk. By the time other cops arrived to stop this beating, the cop was out cold, and died in the hospital 9 days later without regaining consciousness. Zimmerman’s life was truly in danger and from the same age and size kid, whether you are willing to recognize that or not. Ignoramus is a good name for you. It fits, even tho you chose it sarcastically and ironically.

          • Bloviating Ignoramus

            Here are the facts honey. All 2 of them. How it started which was Zimmerman feeling cockstrong with his gun and confronting Trayvon. And how it ended. Beyond that, you have no “facts”. But my main point was not the verdict. It was con man Goldberg adding insult to injury with his racist comments under the pretext of exposing left wing bias. Goldberg: “If I was black I wouldn’t like this stereotyping …”, he might have continued “… but I’m not black, I do like it, and that is all that counts because the world revolves around Bernie Goldberg”.

          • chichilouise

            You are the one who is wrong. Across the nation, hordes of fatherless, angry, racist young black males are ‘sucker punching’ whites, often injuring or killing them. The sucker punch is thrown first, which whites do not expect. They are then taken to the ground, where their heads are kicked, stomped, and often crushed. It was Trayvon who was cocksure. Young black males much shorter than Trayvon, one who was no taller than 5’5″ have killed white men by taking them to the ground in this manner, controlling them physically, and banging their heads against concrete. This is epidemic, in fact, but is largely unreported because it does not play into the ‘white privilege’ meme of the media. What Trayvon tried to do is typical, the only thing that is NOT typical is that Zimmerman was able to defend himself. Generally, the white ends up in the hospital or the morgue. You really are a bloviating ignoramus, and it is interesting that you named yourself thus, believing that it was tongue in cheek I suppose. Goldberg used to be a liberal until he discovered the facts were against his beliefs, at which point his old liberal friends turned against him, since none of them can handle the truth.

          • Bloviating Ignoramus

            Better to be a bloviating ignoramus than a blithering idiot. Get this thru your empty head woman. You are talking nonsense. Now go back to playing with your vibrator and shut up.

          • chichilouise

            Your foul vulgarity gives you away for what you are. .Vulgarity is not a debating style, and you win yourself no points by revealing the ugliness in your heart. You are a true Democrat, quick to insult with vulgarity like the plebian that you are. Low. vulgar. Trash.

          • Bloviating Ignoramus

            Flattery will get you nowhere honey. Your stupidity gives you away for what you are.

      • sgtstriker

        He said, ” If there is a crime involving two races today, the victim is most likely going to be white and the criminal is most likely going to be black – not the other way around.” He did not refer to “this time” and this incident. You and Bloviating Ignoramous have taken things out of context. What Bernie wrote is true and is in reference to intentionally committed crimes which does not apply to the Zimmerman case.

        • John Daly

          I understood Bernie’s context correctly, and I agree with you. My reply was to ‘Bloviating’, not Bernie.

    • MarkAbbott

      A profoundly unhelpful comment.

      • Bloviating Ignoramus

        To a profoundly unhelpful article.

  • Integrity

    Bernie – What a thought provoking article. It might be one of your best ever. The last time I disagreed with you was when you said that you had no idea who was going to win the presidential election. I thought you were crazy for thinking that at the time. Afterwards, I had to take step back and came to the realization that even I let my emotions cloud my thinking at times. I appreciate you making me think. QED.

    • BernieGoldberg

      Thanks very much Newest. I appreciate the kind words — a lot.

    • Bob Hadley

      I suspected at he time, and still suspect to this day, that Bernie thought Pres. Obama would win re-election. I think he just did not want to upset his base by telling them what he really thought.