John: These news stories coming out of Minnesota remind me of a Bernard Malamud novel with no heroic characters. ICE is going in with covered faces and paramilitary tactical gear to forcibly remove illegal aliens (and others?) in violent and haphazard ways. The “protestors” are doing more than watching, they are placing untrained civilians in harm’s way in direct, high-stakes confrontations with armed agents. Both are playing simultaneous games of Quien es mas macho? and Quien es mas loco? Aren’t there better ways of doing this? And do you have another way of looking at this?
"Where are all those self-righteous left wing protestors that were protesting the “genocide in Gaza” now that the Iranian government is persecuting and possibly murdering their own citizens in the street? "
The obvious difference is that those protesting Israel's war with Hamas or the manner in which it was conducted were protesting our support of the Israeli war effort. We are not supporting the atrocities of the Iranian government.
I shouldn't have to point this out but here, I am NOT taking a position on the Israeli war efforts or whether some or most of the protesters do not see the Iran regime as evil. I'm just saying that the bulk of the protesters were protesting what our government was supporting.
Similarly, those who say "Why don't those who protest laws regarding drug offenders protest the drug pushers?" are missing something staring them in the face. Bernie once wrote something along these lines.
Greetings Mr. Hadley. Actually I tend to agree with Sir John’s take on the fact that the college protestors were more about supporting a group of people that were suffering because of what their elected leaders (HAMAS) brought on their nation because the majority of those protesters were not only anti-western values, anti-American, and anti-Israel, but a lot of of them didn’t even have a clue some of the reasons for when they were protesting. I’m sure you’ve seen the interviews when some of them were asked why they were doing it. They really didn’t know the answer to that I highly suspect that if Trump actually does keep his word and take some type of military action against the mullahs for oppressing the Iranian people, I suspect that the same protesters will come out in force against helping the Iranians simply because Trump is doing it.
Hiya Emperor! What you described was a dimension that you and I discussed before: they are generally infracanineophiles, with apologies to Bernie for being pedantic :) . Race consciousness might also be an element with some.
Would these same protesters have a problem with our support of Israel, if Israel was weak, impoverished and oppressed?
But really, do we see any large scale protests of oppression and carnage in, for example, certain African countries that is not supported by us? Here, there's been much smaller and much fewer protests against, for example, Iran's oppression over the years. But that's generally from Iranian expatriates.
Pretty much what you said here. As for the dreadful oppressive violence occurring in Africa (Boko Haram’s massacres of Christians for example )…well in that case, both the victims and villains are black, and Boko Haram is an Islamic group, and we all know that the left-wing hypocrites are not going to criticize a group of Muslims (unless of course they’re working with Trump) and leftist woke commies dislike or even hate Christianity…so there’s that
Do you think that if whites were systemically oppressing blacks in, for example Nigeria with no American involvement or support that there'd be any major protests in the U. S.?
Probably. I do recall the Anti-Apartheid protests of the 1980s and the protests against Botha. That said, the sins of Apartheid are not equal to the abominable being genocide committed by Boko Haram. goodness, gracious Mr. Hadley! There is that word “genocide “again that the left is so fond of using, unless of course, the genocide is being perpetrated by people they considered to be protected classes against people of color who belong to a religion that the left of despises!
Correct me if I'm wrong but the anti-Apartheid protests of the 1980s were because of close U. S. financial involvement with South Africa. Harvard had a sit-in with the demand that Harvard divest in South Africa.
I seem to remember years ago that Christians in Sri Lanka were oppressing or slaughtering Muslims. Were there any protests in this country?
I think the nexus here with protests is U. S. support or involvement of some kind.
While I oppose oppression anywhere, I feel a certain responsibility as an American and as a taxpayer for oppression that is supported by the U. S. or oppression that is somehow dependent in large part on U. S, involvement.
John: These news stories coming out of Minnesota remind me of a Bernard Malamud novel with no heroic characters. ICE is going in with covered faces and paramilitary tactical gear to forcibly remove illegal aliens (and others?) in violent and haphazard ways. The “protestors” are doing more than watching, they are placing untrained civilians in harm’s way in direct, high-stakes confrontations with armed agents. Both are playing simultaneous games of Quien es mas macho? and Quien es mas loco? Aren’t there better ways of doing this? And do you have another way of looking at this?
"Where are all those self-righteous left wing protestors that were protesting the “genocide in Gaza” now that the Iranian government is persecuting and possibly murdering their own citizens in the street? "
The obvious difference is that those protesting Israel's war with Hamas or the manner in which it was conducted were protesting our support of the Israeli war effort. We are not supporting the atrocities of the Iranian government.
I shouldn't have to point this out but here, I am NOT taking a position on the Israeli war efforts or whether some or most of the protesters do not see the Iran regime as evil. I'm just saying that the bulk of the protesters were protesting what our government was supporting.
Similarly, those who say "Why don't those who protest laws regarding drug offenders protest the drug pushers?" are missing something staring them in the face. Bernie once wrote something along these lines.
Greetings Mr. Hadley. Actually I tend to agree with Sir John’s take on the fact that the college protestors were more about supporting a group of people that were suffering because of what their elected leaders (HAMAS) brought on their nation because the majority of those protesters were not only anti-western values, anti-American, and anti-Israel, but a lot of of them didn’t even have a clue some of the reasons for when they were protesting. I’m sure you’ve seen the interviews when some of them were asked why they were doing it. They really didn’t know the answer to that I highly suspect that if Trump actually does keep his word and take some type of military action against the mullahs for oppressing the Iranian people, I suspect that the same protesters will come out in force against helping the Iranians simply because Trump is doing it.
Hiya Emperor! What you described was a dimension that you and I discussed before: they are generally infracanineophiles, with apologies to Bernie for being pedantic :) . Race consciousness might also be an element with some.
Would these same protesters have a problem with our support of Israel, if Israel was weak, impoverished and oppressed?
But really, do we see any large scale protests of oppression and carnage in, for example, certain African countries that is not supported by us? Here, there's been much smaller and much fewer protests against, for example, Iran's oppression over the years. But that's generally from Iranian expatriates.
Pretty much what you said here. As for the dreadful oppressive violence occurring in Africa (Boko Haram’s massacres of Christians for example )…well in that case, both the victims and villains are black, and Boko Haram is an Islamic group, and we all know that the left-wing hypocrites are not going to criticize a group of Muslims (unless of course they’re working with Trump) and leftist woke commies dislike or even hate Christianity…so there’s that
Do you think that if whites were systemically oppressing blacks in, for example Nigeria with no American involvement or support that there'd be any major protests in the U. S.?
Probably. I do recall the Anti-Apartheid protests of the 1980s and the protests against Botha. That said, the sins of Apartheid are not equal to the abominable being genocide committed by Boko Haram. goodness, gracious Mr. Hadley! There is that word “genocide “again that the left is so fond of using, unless of course, the genocide is being perpetrated by people they considered to be protected classes against people of color who belong to a religion that the left of despises!
Correct me if I'm wrong but the anti-Apartheid protests of the 1980s were because of close U. S. financial involvement with South Africa. Harvard had a sit-in with the demand that Harvard divest in South Africa.
I seem to remember years ago that Christians in Sri Lanka were oppressing or slaughtering Muslims. Were there any protests in this country?
I think the nexus here with protests is U. S. support or involvement of some kind.
While I oppose oppression anywhere, I feel a certain responsibility as an American and as a taxpayer for oppression that is supported by the U. S. or oppression that is somehow dependent in large part on U. S, involvement.